Doctor Who 12x10 FINALE REACTION!! "The Timeless Children"

[@BlindWave]

Thank you for watching Doctor Who with us each week for the last 3 Years! What a ride it has been. But just like Doctor Who, change is inevitable in our schedule, and voters over at our Patreon have spoken! Watch next week's Reaction to Lucifer 1x1 Early HERE: www.patreon.com/posts/38834215

[@NeoMKG]

When did we vote on the replacement show??

[@danieljacobs446]

@@NeoMKG kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZyzmGyHZtqShcU

[@Mugiwara.Crocodile]

Yessssssss lucifer lets goooooo

[@thexmask649]

You guys should watch classic who

[@bananasaregood8655]

I would hav thought i guys would jump into classic who☹️

[@wyren925]

Gallifrey is slowly becoming Rory

[@jeckjeck3119]

''Do you think you can just die and come back?'' Gallifrey: ''WHEN DON'T I?''

[@wyren925]

@@jeckjeck3119lol thats great, any Rory quote works for galifray

[@JaayCeez]

I mean, its just a Planet lol.

[@leesmapman4764]

@@jeckjeck3119 do you think Gallifrey will regenerate?

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@leesmapman4764 Probably yes; Depends on the showrunner.

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

In which the Master brings the Doctor to Gallifrey to show her a powerpoint which ends with a slide saying "you're adopted"

[@jeckjeck3119]

That is something Master would actually do. LOL.

[@lepimond4605]

Chris Chibnall: - "You were curious about this painting, I think. I acquired it under remarkable circumstances. What do you make of the title?" The Doctor: "Which title? There's two: "No More" and "Gallifrey Falls"... Chris Chibnall: "No, you see, that's where everybody's wrong. It's all one title. NO, GALLIFREY FALLS MORE!"

[@jeckjeck3119]

Genius, Genius, Genius!

[@SpiderBatFan]

Galifrey falls no more, no more

[@ftumschk]

I have another painting, called "Things can, and do, change". It's a bit of a dull title, but at least it reflects a fundamental truth ;)

[@DoubleDHarvey]

Yes, I use reddit too

[@steveosborne3714]

'Acquired', not 'required'.

[@firefly24601]

Blind Wave Doctor Who Catchup Reactions: 19 Apr 2017 - 24 June 2020. RIP!! It'll be interesting to see which of the crew join Aaron and Melanie for the festive special and then the next season.

[@tatertatertatertatertater]

It would also be really cool if Captain Jack properly comes back this time that would be sick.

[@joekabyemela4948]

it could possibly be all of them like the game of thrones reactions

[@Fozzimodo]

All of them I hope. Never been a fan of the whole 2 groups watching the same thing and then Aaron rewatching it with the guys. Just all watch it together!

[@FionaMu]

Probably depends if John Barrowman is allowed to travel from US to UK.

[@tatertatertatertatertater]

@@FionaMu Why wouldn't he be?

[@namwonglue]

“This whole episode was upon Sacha Dhawan’s back.” Exactly what I thought, Eric!

[@justsomename-ct1mb]

@@PickyPaige i disagree about the master but i fully agree about the doctot. I even like the ruth doctor more than her

[@wolfpack_104]

"Everything ends, and it's always sad. But everything begins again too, and that's always happy. Be happy..." - Peter Capaldi (12th Doctor)

[@deathswitch2404]

I think a lot of people forget that Capaldi sent Rassilon off Gallifrey at the end of season 9.. and he was one of the 3 Founding members of Gallifrey, so if anyone has any info that could help the Doctor next season, its him.

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4575]

There’s still about 800 + episodes of Classic Doctor Who to watch 😉

[@TheZebbga]

Actually there is 695 classic episodes, 696 if you count the Doctor Who Movie. Since they have seen the Five Doctors they have 694 they could watch. Well.... a lot of the 60's episodes are also missing so its even less.

[@jollybodger]

@@TheZebbga Are you including the recently remastered episodes from Troughtons run?

[@jamiedutton7257]

That would be awesome

[@moloids]

To make it easier, start with the 7th Doctor and work backwards.

[@CrankyGrandma]

And there are scattered hints throughout of what happened here

[@samfrisby6135]

So tell me, Chris “I can do what I want” Chibnall! If time regeneration is genetic now instead of coming from being exposed to the vortex, how did River have the ability to regenerate!?!?

[@jeckjeck3119]

Time lords created the vortex, might also be how they spread regeneration to each other.

[@daffy8995]

River being able to regenerate was stupid.

[@space1999]

Fans of this garbage will just do the doctor who equivalent of "the wizard did it" whenever any of the many many glaring inaccuracies of this dreadful plot are highlighted....

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@space1999 Don't be so plebeian:/ We whovians have our own word for that: ''Wibbly wobbly timey wimey... stuff.''

[@ftumschk]

@@space1999 TBH, "the wizard did it" is far closer to RTD's "regeneration energy" and Moffat's "exposure to the time-vortex" ideas, which are non-scientific magic devices at the end of the day. At least Chibnall's putting forward a genetic basis for bodily regeneration can be seen to make some scientific sense. In fact, we see something similar to regeneration happening on Earth with amphibians like frogs and toads, and insects like butterflies and moths. Those bodily transformations are genetically controlled - no vortex required!

[@enzo_c_t]

I like to think that the mr bean doctor is canon now

[@jeckjeck3119]

And I am okay with that! It basically predicted the future.

[@daedelous7094]

He would unironically be better than this.

[@prof.evilpictures8696]

That was perfect at the end when Eric said we’ve completed all 12 seasons of Doctor Who and Calvin said No Sir! All 13! Cracked me up. Thanks for such an enjoyable experience guys it’s been great watching you go on this journey.

[@alexjames4507]

And just like that, we’re all caught up...can’t wait to see you guys react to new episodes!

[@GamingGamer22]

Graham: "you are the best humanity has to offer" Yaz: "you ight"

[@cameronjosephvideos5942]

Series 5 - Who's the most feared creature inside the Pandorica - A. The Doctor Series 6 - What is the first question in the universe - A. Doctor Who Series 7 - Who are the Silence - A religious order built around stopping the Doctor Series 9 - What is the Hybrid - A. The Doctor Series 12 - What is the Timeless Child - A. The Doctor Series 14 - The Doctor is Jesus and saves the universe from their sin Doctor Who. Doing the same plot twist over an over again and expecting people to be surprised. While we're at it. Series 8 finale - The Master and the Cybermen Series 10 finale - The Master and the Cybermen Series 12 finale - The Master and the Cybermen Series 14 finale - The Cyber Master vs the Cyber Doctor

[@jollybodger]

Hey, if you dont like it, dont watch it. Simple solution.

[@starlittardis2049]

Yeah, as much as I adore this show, I kinda wish less stuff was personally about the Doctor. I understand why she would be involved in a lot of "big things" in the universe, given who the Doctor is, how long she's been around, and all the stuff she's done across the universe. But I don't want to see that stuff very often. I like that her name is known by so many people, that the legend of the Doctor is famous. But I want it to be because the Doctor has happened to get involved with so many different people / events during her travels. I don't want the Doctor's own life and identity to be some massive, secretive thing. I want her to get involved with other people / events that are massive and secretive. She's enough just as she is; she doesn't have to have mysteries about her. I prefer companions to be the same way; just whoever they are, no big plot attached to them. I feel like it often takes away from a character's worth in their own right when they're given these massive plot points / backstories. Just let them be who they are, we find them plenty interesting enough that way. That being said, I did enjoy this episode when it aired. I definitely don't hate this idea, I'd just rather leave it than take it.

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4575]

3/4 RTD finales has The Daleks so what’s your point ?

[@jeckjeck3119]

The Cyber Master vs The Cyber Doctor.... I want to see that, them dueling with some kind of oversized cyberswords.

[@CatCubed]

I really wish The Master was the Timeless Child, it would make sense for him to go insane and wouldn't make The Doctor even more special than she already is

[@Moggetslittlesister]

Shane: (about the Timeless Child) "It's him!" Exactly, it *should* have been the Master!! Then him taking revenge against Gallifrey for lying to him and experimenting on him for his entire life would make sense!!! I'm still holding out hope that there'll be a second """"twist"""" and it'll be the Master and not the Doctor.

[@wkkqewqaver7766]

It’ll probably be like Spider-Man’s clone saga

[@GreenBoxStudio1]

I have my fingers crossed too

[@paulamchristie]

In my head The Master is the scientist who did the experiments on the Doctor.

[@Domihork]

It would also kind of explain how the Master was able to stay alive after using all his regenerations and also possess other bodies (like in the Keeper of Traken and in the 1996 movie).

[@justsomename-ct1mb]

@@paulamchristie what🙄😂

[@gwinnellheald8592]

Oh how I wish the timeless child was the master.

[@blueburger4938]

He still could be we only have his word on it

[@alfiehagan438]

Do you really think the BBC will make the first black doctor into a villain now and not receive backlash? We’re stuck with this now.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@alfiehagan438 ?

[@pjgs4933]

alfie hagan Yea wtf? That doesn’t make any sense. First of all, Dhawan is the first POC incarnation of Master. He’s automatically already a villain. I don’t really understand your logic.

[@daffy8995]

@@blueburger4938 Yeah, I keep saying he could be lying.

[@Cowmoo83]

For the record, the shobogons do come up briefly in classic Who (in the Deadly Assassin, iirc).

[@the_judge_8262]

I think Capaldi mentions them to Clara in the cloisters too in her last episode

[@LightLMN]

There's a bunch of expanded universe stuff about them, too.

[@ftumschk]

Yes, the Deadly Assassin and the Invasion Of Time, at least.

[@space1999]

@@ftumschk I thought just the invasion of time...?

[@ftumschk]

@@space1999 Whilst they don't appear on-screen, the Shobogans are mentioned in The Deadly Assassin.

[@Eduardo54cenationx2]

42:13 Aaron should have them react to at least the first episode of Class and not tell them that it is a Doctor Who spin off

[@jeckjeck3119]

That would be amazing.

[@maxkennedy7430]

Class is shite. They should continue watching The Sarah Jane Adventures.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@maxkennedy7430 It never got the chance to shine as it should have, sadly.

[@MellyMelon1331]

@@maxkennedy7430 Class was better than Sarah Jane if you ask me. Though it never got to have a proper run like Sarah Jane

[@ras_alhim]

I can't believe it's over. Feels like yesterday that you started this show

[@prof.evilpictures8696]

nightowl I remember when their Stolen Earth reaction showed up in my recommended. That was a long time ago....

[@geoffreysmart6801]

I hate the fact that all the Missy stuff is completely ignored. The way the Doctor interacts with the Master is as if that whole storyline didn't even happen.

[@sophiemaguire6931]

innit it completely ruined missys character arc

[@evildeathcuddles886]

We don't know where O falls in the masters timeline. Missy straight up tells Saxon that she doesn't know if she comes right after him.

[@joelmole3157]

I mean... in the Doctor's POV, Missy abandoned them. She didn't know she was willing to stand with the Doctor. As for the Master, relapsing was entirely possible and I suspect the Timeless Child was why.

[@faealbahrani8821]

Yes ... Thank you!! Exactly what I thought... Its like chibnal didnt see any episode related to Missy

[@DONZAKY101]

@@faealbahrani8821 this master is definetly before missy, the masters timeline is unknown, doesnt move in relation to the doctors

[@wolfpack_104]

I'm really gonna miss the regular doctor who reactions. Loved going through the series and hearing different perspectives on each episode other than my own. It made me rethink/appreciate certain episodes I previously considered bad/boring and, despite my indifference to a lot of episodes the past two seasons, I look forward to continuing the journey when it returns.

[@SwordsAndStars]

I remember watching Blind Wave’s first doctor who reactions in my dorm room sophomore year, now I’m watching it finally end in my own apartment after getting home from my first real job. Thanks for the years of entertainment Blind Wave :)

[@JE-nf2gd]

They should have revealed that Ko'Sharmus was actually Tec'Teun at the end. Would have given his sacrifice so much weight and guilt. Currently felt a bit cheap cos he's not rly a cahracter we care about,

[@Surfboarder4]

That’s an interesting idea

[@zvimur]

Heard theory Tecteyun is the Woman from End of Time.

[@auberginemanproductions1608]

@@raiden8063 A character that was present for all of an episode and a half being the subject of the ot twist?

[@strbourne]

Would've been better than her appearance in Survivors

[@remis.4565]

It's really weird to think that something that I've been looking forward to every single week for the past three years (I started watching your reactions mid-season 1) will no longer be happening. Still, though, it's been a fantastic ride watching a fantastic show with you, and I wanted to thank you for sharing that experience with us and letting us watch it through your eyes. I look forward to whatever comes next, and I do hope that perhaps one day you might react a bit more to some other Doctor Who stuff, like some Classic Who or something. Even if you don't, I look forward to seeing your reaction to the upcoming seasons, whenever they should air, and of seeing your reactions to other shows I love. Thank you for this amazing journey.

[@jfrance649]

I've been watching their Doctor Who reactions for the whole 3 years and even subscribed to them because of Doctor Who. It's been fun watching them react to Doctor Who and seeing Eric and Shane become fans and all of them getting excited for big moments in the show. The Day of the Doctor reaction is my favourite of theirs and Calvin's reaction to Tom Baker's appearance was great. I'm going to miss their Doctor Who reactions every Wednesday. It's been a fun ride.

[@paleasaghost1]

The idea that the Doctor is more than just a Time Lord goes back to the Sylvester McCoy days. Hints that the Doctor was older and not quite what we thought were in Remembrance of the Daleks and Silver Nemesis, among others.

[@ftumschk]

Correct. I'd just add that what was hinted at for McCoy was far more impressive than what we've seen with the Timeless Child. From what we've been told so far, what initially set the Timeless Child apart was merely the ability to regenerate... an ability which was exploited by Tecteun, and which every Time Lord now possesses thanks to Tecteun's efforts. So, apart from once being the (passive) donor of some regeneration genes, the Doctor isn't particularly special as far as we know. Certainly not as special as the mysterious godlike being suggested during the McCoy era.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@ftumschk She is more like a victim, and calling her space Jesus is more accurate if you mean the torture part. She was tortured like Jesus.

[@rangedlime]

It was an awful idea back then as well

[@rangedlime]

nightowl Don’t worry about it mate when I’m show runner I will retcon the hell out of it

[@ftumschk]

@@rangedlime The idea of the Doctor being the passive donor of some regeneration genes to the Shobogans wasn't suggested in the McCoy era as far as I know. Yet, that's the only contribution the Timeless Child has made that we've been told about so far.

[@stephenvincentgiles1306]

I don't think any writer could've ruined Doctor Who any more than this episode did. It creates over a dozen plot holes / contradictions.

[@jeremy14o]

“ITS HER! wait how?” Same tbh Eric 😂

[@maxkennedy7430]

“It’s the End...But the Moment has been Prepared for...”

[@space1999]

Yes, by a blithering idiot chris chibnall

[@space1999]

@Aunchient Pistol lol!

[@philward6582]

@@space1999 Oh, so sad, for you.

[@RKMCHere]

@Aunchient Pistol I mean it's his opinion.

[@bertieblack5639]

THREE YEARS TO WAIT FOR THAT DAMN SOUND

[@HazardHeadline]

Now that you're all caught up you'll know how it feels to hear that sound and have to wait months to see what happens next. The torture!

[@jeckjeck3119]

Yes, they finally can suffer with us!

[@azizuladnan2957]

You know what happen next? 5 reactors! Can't wait for Melanie! :D 3 years just to get to that damn sound - Eric

[@messajarjarbinks6853]

get rick in there as well because why not

[@firefly24601]

@@messajarjarbinks6853 Yup, he's got plenty of time to catch up. And/or decide if this is his type of show or not.

[@Mineycart]

Well here we are. Another reactor(s) has caught up with Doctor Who. It's been a wild ride and I've loved it. Thanks for all the fun and emotion along the way. Can't wait to see more DW reactions in the future.

[@oldwebshooter]

Caught up? It'd about a third.

[@AGO339]

on the number of regenerations there was a limiter placed on all timelord's, and its assumed that included the doctor when their memory was erassed

[@pmce5980]

Eric mentioning that some fans might think the revelations are disrespectful to the show’s creators: the funny thing is in early drafts of both The Tenth Planet (Hartnell’s final story) and The Power of the Daleks (Troughton’s first story), it was all but explicitly confirmed that the Doctor had regenerated (or ‘renewed’ himself) before. Those lines ended up being cut from the script to add more mystery to what was happening but it should be noted that there wasn’t a sacred rule at the time that Hartnell was playing the very first incarnation.

[@AzguardMike]

tom baker back in a 1980s interview with the 3rd doctor and peters doctor "a female doctor ARE YOU MAD MAN???? Its called DOCTOR WHO not NURSE WHO!"

[@wardjunior1450]

The Hartnell master plan didn’t happen for a reason.

[@BlazeRKGK]

@@AzguardMike the 1980's.

[@pmce5980]

Azguard Mike 2013 Source? Tom Baker was one of the first to suggest a female Doctor when he was announcing he was leaving the show. But even beyond that: what does this have to do with my comment exactly?

[@AzguardMike]

@@pmce5980 it WAS on the youtube bbc page until jodie was announced. Then, suddenly, they are all praising a female lead. I do love how david recently jabbed at jodie on youtube too. "if you could bring back anyone from dead, who and why?" Tennant: id bring back william Hartnel, the FIRST doctor" Jodie went from :) to -_-

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

People taking all the inconsistencies as "more mystery to be solved" but honestly I think it's just badly written. I don't think they have answers for any of these questions.

[@emmybm15]

Congratulations Blind Wave for being all caught up with Doctor Who ❤❤

[@Jim_The_Fish]

Had to pause and comment after “Crew of Blind Wave here” because this is honestly kind of heartbreaking. After all this time, they’re finally caught up. I’m gonna miss seeing these every week. Hopefully Melanie will join the table for the special and onwards since the crew is finally caught up like Melron. Thanks for all of this, guys. Now I’m off to watch your Torchwood reactions.

[@acetrainer44]

God...we've been on this road for so long, it'll be odd after three years. I'm sure Classic Who will come around for a reaction, but it's been a fun ride everyone. And now, the crew can have DW be a live show for them all

[@FlammingtonStudios]

I've never wanted a specific holiday special more than how I want a Doctor and Captain Jack Harkness prison break episode for this christmas/new years/whatever special

[@inspectorwhoreacts]

I can't believe 3 years has flown by already, i remember freaking out when i saw you guys start this and now, after so many great reactions we are in for the long wait to next one.

[@moon_raker1062]

I don't know what I'm going to do without my Doctor Who Wednesdays! Loved watching along with you guys and I'm going to miss anxiously waiting for the next episode. I personally love it whenever Doctor Who flips the table and changes everything as it's what keeps the show running for half a century haha . Really appreciated that Aaron pointed out that both RTD and Moffat 'messed' with Galifrey lore just as much but with time we just roll with the new canon

[@joewood5757]

I think the issue is that this is more for the shock factor than for anything else. The whole point of the Doctor is that they're like 'anyone'. Obviously they're able to regenerate etc. but in terms of the timelords the doctor is like a below average timelord. Full Fat Videos does a good video essay on it.

[@adamhenderson6241]

This have been a great journey to be apart off. Glad to see them to the end...for now at least. Still, it was great seeing this.

[@HaaruteLIVE]

Thank you for doing these uploads for all these years! It's been a blast to get through these episodes weekly alongside you guys. See you all whenever next special comes out. Take care!

[@starlittardis2049]

Sacha Dhawan is fantastic as the Master. I really didn't feel ready for another incarnation of that character yet, especially since I loved Missy so much. And in a way, I am still sad that Missy's redemption arc just vanished. But I do think Sacha does the chaotic evil Master so well. Is it concerning that I'm attracted to him? Maybe.

[@justsomename-ct1mb]

1st yea its concerning 2nd i think hes kinda over the top

[@shauntempley9757]

@@justsomename-ct1mb The Master has ever been over the top. It is how he competes with the Doctor.

[@justsomename-ct1mb]

@@shauntempley9757 not like this, he acts like a child, or like the guy with the robot bowl hat from Meet the Robinsons (that disney movie with the time travling kids)

[@DasKame]

but had he dress like the Joker? Volett jackett, geez....

[@justsomename-ct1mb]

@@DasKame i dont see whats wrong aitht that, its more his attitude

[@taimurmuggo1634]

Thank you guys for this great 3 year journey , I can’t believe you guys have caught up now !!. I’m gonna miss these reactions since they have been a consistent part of my life for awhile but I’m looking forward to seeing you have fun with the Devil 😈!!

[@cmdrblp]

This story broke the Whoniverse for me. As someone who has watched the show since the Tom Baker days, I'm officially out at this point. It's been a great ride and fun to watch the Blind Wave crew relive all of new Who and some of the old anniversary specials.

[@aeronthompson674]

A theory I saw about Missy being after Dhawan pointed out the similarities between the matrix, which uploads the consciousness of dead time lords, and the dark water episode where upon dying humans were uploaded to a data core thing and then turned into cybermen. It would make sense if that happened after this, because it would be fresh in Missy's mind if she regenerated after the death bomb - like if maybe Dhawan only just managed to escape it but was still touched and regenerated into Missy. Also none of Missy's plots tried to have the Doctor killed, because she knew he would survive to become Jodie.

[@Doco160]

It's been a great journey, I'm looking forward to where Doctor Who goes from here in future seasons.

[@tatertatertatertatertater]

Yeah and I really hope that it doesn't die and comes back from this downwards spike cause it's a really good show.

[@blamass6708]

@@tatertatertatertatertater was

[@blamass6708]

@@tatertatertatertatertater can be

[@space1999]

Down the toilet if it continues this trend......

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

Considering the way its been going.... and how theres an overall terribleness to it. its gonna keep going down, it hasn't improved

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

The first Blind Wave video I ever came across was the Fires of Pompeii review. I binged 3 seasons' worth then suddenly had to wait a week per episode... Wednesdays will never be the same. Torchwood, GoT, Avatar/Korra... love you guys. Keep'em coming.

[@connorwood9211]

Main issue with this episode is that nothing feels earned. Except for a name drop the Timeless Child really had no build up. And The Doctor doesn’t even discover it herself. Even the Ruth Doctor doesn’t add much. It’s just explained through a PowerPoint presentation. Also how come Clara never saw any pre Hartnell Regens yet some random machine from Brain of Morbius managed to discover the pre Regens while the Doctor had no memory of them? And the way The Master just let’s this random old man enter and explain everything and doesn’t bother to kill him right there was dumb. Oh and the Doctor just leaves him to do her work. Dunno felt really out of character for the Doctor. Along with how the “Fam” just left her no problem. Cyberman and Cyber Time Lords felt rather pointless. Also Graham talking to Yaz was pretty sad. The writers are practically saying “Yaz is great. Please be invested in this character” to the audience. Welp anyway took 3 years with ups and downs but they’re finally caught up. Guess it’s time to go to the playlist and start back a Series 1.

[@Jaycee52548]

holy shit, good point! why tf did clara (god i miss clara so much) not see the previous versions!? oh its bcause chibnall wanted to do something "substantial" and this is the best he could think of. Easily the worst writer Doctor Who has had :/ The Doctor has no character in these last two seasons and dont even get me started on the companions, theyre all great actors but jesus they hav no consistency at all.

[@LordDaret]

@@Jaycee52548as far as I could tell, chibnall tried to make up for his lack of creative writing with things “never done before on Doctor Who”: First female Doctor; first black Doctor who is also female; Mpreg; Doctor’s backstory; Timelords get possessed by Cybermen; the Master takes over Gallifrey; 3 companions for the first time since the original series; Captain Jack is back; Doctor is lesbian (queerbait); etc. All things that sound good in headlines and should artificially attract attention but because it was all hollow and poorly executed, it bought little to no attention in the grand scheme of things.

[@eseibert4511]

So from what I’ve seen, the general consensus towards the timeless child is that it is a very solid idea that would be so interesting to be explored and extrapolated upon in seasons to come… if it had been literally anyone other than the doctor. (Personally I think it would have been cool for it to have been Susan, and like maybe the 1st doctor left Gallifrey- among all the other reasons- to get her away from the Time lords). But other than that lukewarm reveal, I still enjoyed the episode quite a bit. I really think Tecteun became Rassilon, using their “discoveries” to set themself up as a legendary figure amongst the timelords. I really thought that Ko Sharmus would have turned out to be an exiled Rassilon, serving penance for his sins or whatever. It would’ve made it a more impactful moment when he takes the trigger from the Doctor to sacrifice himself. But I digress. And I seem to be in the minority of people that enjoyed the Cybermasters. I love the design, the idea of an army of self-healing cybernetic corpses is terrifying, and the idea of them fits really well into series 9 hybrid. The best part of the episode for me was definitely Sacha Dhawan’s Master. I love him. He’s so feral and manic, and the chemistry and tension between him and 13 is palpable. (“The history between us does mean something. It’s the rage and pain in my hearts.” Chills, for real.) And seeing a Master who’s had his understanding of his place in the universe ripped out from under him is endlessly entertaining to see. For so long the Master’s been a character that’s done anything and everything to cling to life, but now he’s basically begging the Doctor to kill him. By bringing her down to his level he’d be able to claw back some illusion of control in his life which he’s convinced he’s lost. Other than the timeless elephant in the room, it was a pretty solid episode. People have asked how the Master was able to destroy Gallifrey (or at least the Citadel) singlehandedly, and here’s how I see it: so after the Time War, the Timelords were hurt and battle weary. The planet was almost very nearly destroyed to begin with, so that’s most of the work done. They hide at the end of time to rebuild and lick their wounds, but then the 12th doctor shows up to evict Rassilon and the High council from the planet. So like at this point Gallifrey has like little to no societal structure or enforcing government. It’s probably like the wild west; without much order and people just look after themselves. In comes the Master, hacking his way through the Matrix. He goes in deep, and discovers many secrets, one which makes him quite the mad lad. This deep into the collective consciousness of all Time Lords, he could have easily have found information pertaining to the citadel’s weak spots or any number of helpful hints that could help him enact his tantrum upon the already battered and beaten world. Ta-da. Gallifrey Falls More. And also, not that it matters, I see the SpyMaster as post Missy for a couple of reasons. 1) If the reason for him being pre-Missy is due to Missy’s character development, then by that logic every possible iteration of the Master from now til the end of the show would have to be pre-Missy, and I really don’t like the idea there being a true “end” to the character. 2) Even with the Missy Character arc, I think that finding out about the Timeless child would have completely undone that. It would have broken something inside the Master (as the episode very clearly shows), and he would have reverted back to his natural predilections just to prove that his previous self “turning good” was a fluke, and not some predestination due to a “piece of the doctor” being inside of him, and guiding his nature over time. And 3) Maybe Missy WAS a fluke. A single bird straying from the flock of Masters. And after regenerating, the SpyMaster just reverted to form, and repressed his former self, the same way the other Doctors dismissed the War Doctor as not being truly one of them. And if the reasoning for “O” being pre Missy is that Missy couldn’t have survived the Saxon Master’s laser screwdriver blast: The Master always survives. They just do. They always find a way to give death the slip. It really doesn’t need to be explained.

[@Rmlohner]

The really funny thing is, one of the writers on the show back in the '80s put out a theory a lot like this, and was raked over the coals for it by the fans screaming that it couldn't possibly be true. I hope he's gotten some apologies.

[@LightLMN]

@@Rmlohner Lungbarrow isn't the best piece of writing in the Whoniverse, but for all its flaws it still defined a line between "The Other" and The Doctor. The Timeless Child is an unclear, ambiguous mess that backpedals frantically at the last second to stop going over the narrative cliff it was speeding toward. At least Lungbarrow had the decency to commit to a bad idea, and contain it to a single story. The Timless Children couldn't even manage that.

[@DextroDNAOfficial]

The Timeless Child should have been the Master. It makes so much more sense. But instead, Chibnall has opted to completely obliterate the character of the Doctor for his own weird, fucked up gratification

[@daffy8995]

@@DextroDNAOfficial The story isn't over yet. The Master could be lying.

[@ftumschk]

@@DextroDNAOfficial I think it would have been pretty fucked-up to give the psychotic, evil Master the kudos of being one of the important figures from Time Lord prehistory. His ego's big enough as it is.

[@daryl9434]

If I had to be totally honest with myself. If this reveal had come at the end of series 1-10... I don't truly and honestly know if I'd of had an initial problem with it. But as it comes after a couple of series, I personally feel has been extremely sporadic in quality. Often having a tone that feels like I'm being talked down to. Using the Doctor to explain the plot rather than feeling like she is only at the centre of what is going on. Quite sparse with quality dialogue and character interactions. Fugitive of the Judoon was the only episode in these past two series that I've truly felt I'm watching the show I fell in love with. Perhaps what I'm feeling is that this particular story doesn't feel earned. Perhaps developments in series 13 will help.

[@wibblywobblytimeywimey459]

Shobogan were the indigenous population on Gallifrey. There were multiple references in Classic who. In Nuwho, the 12th Doctor mentions the Shobogans starting rumors about the Doctor stealing the President's wife in Hell Bent.

[@NeilPro42]

This is actually following up on a storyline that was put in motion with the 7th doctor and never got to finish because the show was canceled.

[@ClockworkAnomaly]

No.

[@AzaStark]

The whole idea of this episode and season was such a cool idea but a total mind fuck because this clearly wasn't the intent from the beginning. Like, obviously at the very very beginning, none of this regenerating stuff was a thing but then with the revived seasons, this _clearly_ was not the intent and it just messes with everything. It's going to be incredibly hard to correct the timeline and background and make this episode make sense after this episode.

[@TheZebbga]

I dont want to get into why I HATE this episode too much because I have complained enough and its not fun for me to complain about it, it is genuinely upsetting for me and makes me sad because as a huge Doctor Who fan it changes all the things I loved about the character in a way where I don't know if I will be able to enjoy the series anymore and that is so sad for me since I have been watching the series my whole life and I dunno... I dunno if I can enjoy the series the same way going forward. But what Eric said is accurate to me, I don't think Chris Chibnall should have the right to basically shit on the last 50 years of the series in such a way. Like Rustle T. Davis brought the series back with the Time Lords being dead. This was something to change the Doctor's view going forward. This changes who he was in the past and we are supposed to just accept that this has been the case for every previous Doctor and I don't like that. Would Chris Chibnall like it if the next show runner came along and said that all his work on Doctor Who didn't happen and isn't cannon? Probably not. And from where I am now, I hope that happens. I really like Jodie Whittiker as the Doctor and I don't mind the companions and even most the episodes are at the very least okay, its just a shame that the first Female Doctor has had in my opinion the worst ever episode and arc and also doesn't even get to be proud of being the first Female Doctor because there were now Female Doctors before her. I will continue watching the series and I hope I can get over this but being honest, not sure I can.

[@Cem_]

I am exiced for the new reaction... i hope everyone will in it... The Revolution of The Daleks are waiting for you...

[@Surfboarder4]

The master got away. You can here him say ‘all of you, in here now’

[@blue3616]

Unpopular opinion but everyone saying "the Master Would have been a better twist" has solidified my belief that it would in fact NOT have been the better twist...

[@gwinnellheald8592]

The plot of this series is...not the best. But I am grateful for it, it gave me Sacha Dhawan's master and he is totally my favorite. I just wish that the master was the timeless child? I think it would have been brilliant if he was and would keep the interesting plot concept without ruining the doctors character.

[@ftumschk]

The Doctor's character hasn't been ruined, nor has it even been changed, and everything the Doctor said or did from Hartnell onwards still happened. The Timeless Child(ren) is all about ancient Gallifreyan pre-history, aeons before what happened on or after November 1963.

[@hannahmerlino2462]

ftumschk but it does ruin the doctor’s character. It ruins their development. Their beliefs that you don’t have to be special to be important. That anyone ordinary can save the world. That message is tainted and taken away now that the doctor is some higher being or power. It ruins all fear of regeneration, that prior Doctor’s faced. It ruins the Matt Smith arc of earning another regeneration cycle from Galifrey. It ruins all former history of the show. The art of the show was that the Doctor was no one important and neither are you- yet we all can be amazing. But what now?

[@auberginemanproductions1608]

@@hannahmerlino2462 The Doctor still did all that without knowing they were special. Besides, being a Time Lord makes you more special than basically everything else

[@notyouraveragelemon6128]

i have a feeling that they'll reveal that The Doctor & The Master are the Timeless Children, rather than just the doctor being the timeless child

[@TheUltraYusuf]

Crazy that these weekly reactions are over. They were the thing that got me into Blind Wave like two years ago. How time flies.

[@prof.evilpictures8696]

Wow. And we’re done. I started watching these reactions back before Series 11 came out! It’s been great seeing you go on this journey and I’m glad I discovered this channel through your Doctor Who reactions. Crazy to think that I have watched these reactions every Thursday for the two years. Anyway, I look forward to reactions to other shows in the future, and of course the live reaction to the Doctor Who holiday special where hopefully Jack will return!

[@StephanieMaireFaith]

The master with the cyberim in him makes him the hybrid, half cybermen half time lord, 2 warrior types

[@StephanieMaireFaith]

@@SGK1206 no but the hybrid is aka the master, don't forget the prophecy, the hybrid will walk in the ruins of Gallifrey and the hybird is 2 warrior species it never says anything about great warriors,

[@Widdums]

@@StephanieMaireFaith no Davros specifically says "two great warrior races forced together".

[@messajarjarbinks6853]

the doctor and clara are the hybrid it was confirmed in Doctor Who magazine by Steven Moffat

[@StephanieMaireFaith]

@@messajarjarbinks6853 nope wrong

[@messajarjarbinks6853]

@@StephanieMaireFaith it is literally the truth. idk if ur trolling but the hybrid has been CONFIRMED to be the doctor and clara

[@freyjarichardson1519]

The twist is possibly my least favourite thing in the whoniverse. All I can hope is that series 13 does something to change it but I don't think it will.

[@christenorio9555]

Watch the whole Stargate franchise!

[@demonsorrows]

I started rewatching recently. They'd be busy for years xD 20 seasons of SG-1 alone. I know Stargate Universe wasn't popular, but I still wanted it to continue. I put it up there with the same disappointment of Star Trek Voyager getting 7 seasons but Enterprise only getting 5 seasons.

[@Amadeus_Phoenix]

@@demonsorrows Where did you find a 5th season of Enterprise and can you send me it?

[@UnclePalpy]

“It’s the end but the moment has been prepared for.”

[@theginger_law4805]

I really hate the timeless child being the doctor concept, should have just made it the master

[@faealbahrani8821]

I didn't like that the doctor is basically galafrian jesus.

[@moabpanda01]

I’m gonna miss watching this with you guys every week,these videos honestly made me look forward to Wednesdays.Thank you!🙏💙

[@edwardreed67]

Congrats Boys! Been a hell of a ride and I've enjoyed every minute of it :)

[@stuartboston6358]

Hi guys, I’ve been watching along with you over the past three years, Doctor Who fan since I was two yes two years old I can remember watching Jon Pertwee episodes Why not now do a ‘best of classic who’ perhaps pick a story from each doctors Era To watch and reflect: Patrick troughton: tomb of the cybermen William Hartnell of course: an unearthly child would be a great place to start Sylvester McCoy remembrance of the Daleks Peter Davison the caves of Androzani Tom Baker… Good luck choosing one here! Soo many I like your style and the fact you makes copious amounts of notes to reflect on after each viewing is a lot better than the other reaction channels I have seen Hope you would consider doing this for Classic who! Colin Baker, resurrection of the Daleks Jon pertwee: The time warrior, first appearance of the Sontarans What do you think?

[@DragonsDungeon]

I have no problem with the Timeless Child, the fact Timelords stole regeneration sound like something they would have done. My only HATE is The Doctor being the Timeless Child. Though I have seen plenty of ways it can be fixed and I hope Chibnall does Make the Master The Timeless Child (reopen the Ruth Doctor storyline) Make the Master have lied about everything to try and bring the Doctor down to his level (also reopens the Ruth Doctor storyline) Set the entire of Jodie Whittier’s run in a separate universe (if you look at 12 regeneration when the Tardis blew up, the Tardis had a screen saying something that could mean the Tardis fell into a different universe (not Pete’s world though) one where aliens aren’t as common, explaining Grayms we don’t get aliens line in episode 1) And more I haven’t mentioned

[@chronics23]

Man it is such a bittersweet moment seeing you guys finally catch up oh my favorite show. It has been such a joy rewatching the series with you all. Sacha absolutely killed being the master, dude was awesome!

[@kalevi7821]

My favourites 1. Matt Smith 2. Peter Capaldi 3. Christopher Eccelstone 4. David Tennant

[@shadaxe]

My favourite moment is when Graham is telling Yas how awesome she is and her face says, "Is this old bastard hitting on me?", "Is this my me too moment?"

[@LiamDuke]

Thank you for years of incredible reactions guys! Hell of a journey.

[@TheBS1000]

The 10th Doctor always claimed to be 900 years old, even though the 3rd Doctor said on multiple occasions he was several thousand years old. And there were hints during the 7th Doctor's run that he helped create Time Lord society. The implication that The Doctor had other faces and a very long life before William Hartnell's Doctor was already present in the classic series. As for the revelations in this episode, all I can say is this: When you have a character who has been written by over 100 different TV writers over the course of 60 years, whatever that character's backstory is or ends up being will inevitably be fraught with continuity errors. Some continuity details will line up and others won't. At the end of the day, though, the backstory doesn't really matter that much. In any story, what matters is who the character is today and where their journey takes them in the future.

[@DaringNote62]

RIP this show

[@Xedus86]

I almost feel like CONGRATULATIONS! is worthy of catching up on Doctor Who haha. This show may be the one which brought my attention to Blind Wave 3 years ago. Looking forward to the whole team reacting to new Doctor Who episodes whenever they air :D

[@ReinatakaharaVT]

This kinda at least me makes the doctor less interesting because before the doctor was just some random timelord . That went to the universe he wasn't special and that's what made the character interesting. I feel like adding this chosen one thing hurts the character and past lore for me at least .

[@saint1944]

Started watching their reactions at the beginning back with series 1 in 2017! Sad it's come to an end 3 years later, this was certainly an ironic episode to finish with as it kind of changes the entire history of the show! Personally not a fan of the latest stuff with Who and the direction it's going in but appreciate not everyone feels that way. Hopefully get to see them react to the upcoming special soon!

[@Bluescrine55]

It’s good that It don’t make the doctor a god or a saviour. Now, the timeless child is an abused child, his memories where erased and the Time lords made him regenerate into a young boy body. The Timeless child died and reborn in the person who later decided to chose the name Doctor and run away for helping people and discovering the universe. The First Doctor is still technically the first one for those who are wandering. I liked this final and I love de Cyber masters design. And it don’t really change the canon because all we know is still true for a lot of people’s in the show but it add things before that we didn’t know. We don’t know where is the Timeless child come from so maybe it will be a « Gallifrey 2.0 » type civilisation... I can’t wait to see what’s next in Chibnall 5 year plan.

[@ftumschk]

Well said.

[@thedoctorgeneric5007]

Surprised there aren't more comments about how absolutely terrible this episode is.

[@badboy-kx9rv]

I like to think this episode isn't canon.

[@thedoctorgeneric5007]

@@badboy-kx9rv I like to think all of both Series 11 and 12 are just a fever dream Twelve is having on the TARDIS floor before he regenerates.

[@jrobertlysaght]

I babbled on a bit about my issues. But out of respect for the large number of people who are still enjoying it, without issue, I don't want say 'it's terrible'.

[@SeanS102]

It's very funny to me that the Time Lords discovered and mastered regeneration before time travel, but waited before naming themselves, "well, we might come up with an even cooler invention later!"

[@Cs-cp6vo]

Well ego is a hell of a thing

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks, Eric! Thanks, Shane! Thanks, Aaron! Thanks, Calvin! ⏳ #BlindWave #DoctorWho

[@MrTriplej79]

The whole idea of what made the doctor "the doctor" was that he rebelled againist his peoples code and used his morals and beliefs to change the universe wherever and whenever he went. What made him powerful was that he was "never cruel or cowardly always kind". His morals and beliefs inspired so many normal people he met along the way to do better, with all his companions becoming better versions of themselves almost like pseudo doctors continuing his message even when he left them. The importance of his character and why so many people fell in love with it is because it showed that anyone, even a runaway from a alien planet, can be powerful from only their morals and beliefs. This new concept ruins all of that by saying the doctor is only important because of his genetics and is a God type character which is something the show tonally always went againist. The show always made a point that race or religion doesnt matter when it comes to doing what's right. Which is why its bafflingly they went this route. Its honestly digusting how they ruined such a good character for the sake of a "crazy twist". The history and themes of the last 50 years of the show have been disrespected.

[@shauntempley9757]

This change allows the Doctor to go on forever. He has to be a god type character to continue. The point of the Doctor is that he will always be needed. Without him travelling and battling evil, all life ends. With him travelling, they have a chance that he will show up to stop it. Chibnall actually gives a scientific explanation as to why the Time Lords stopped the Doctor from dying on Trenzalore. The fact they hid it from the Doctor after experimenting on him is very much in line with the Time Lords behavior when it comes to the Doctor in the past. It is very much the lengths they are prepared to go to when they plot anything, and shows why the other species hated and feared them, and why the Daleks were in many ways correct to wage war on them.

[@LordDaret]

@@shauntempley9757it’s a bad idea to do that. Without the doctor having the risk of death, it makes him look worse. So many people who died for him, because of him, and many things that came before like wedding of river song ABSOLUTELY meaningless since he would have lived anyway.

[@shauntempley9757]

It is also important the Doctor lives forever, because the Daleks have straight up told the Doctor, that if they finally kill him, their immediate plans are to destroy all trace of his activities, and kill all his Companions in a campaign across time. That is before they wipe out all life in that universe.@@LordDaret

[@ashleyclayton2748]

I lover the bitterness to the cliffhanger sound 😂

[@cassidyfenn3418]

loved seeing you guys enjoy sacha's performance!

[@karmakkaze]

Now y'all are going to be like the rest of us fools. "When is the next episode?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN 2 YEARS FROM NOW??!!??"

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

Personally not a fan of the big reveal for two reasons. 1. It makes The Doctor unique among Timelords (and the universe) by birth and not just by actions. I much prefer somebody being the hero/chosen one because of their deeds and ideals, not because of their birth. 2. The execution. This episode threw "show don't tell" to the wind But also, I'm alright with it because I'm sure it won't really affect anything. This was advertised as "changing everything" but it doesn't make much of a difference, and no showrunner is going to come along and do a series arc focussing on this. It'll eventually be one of those things that got revealed and went nowhere, being ignored a few years later. (same as the Doctor being half human, etc.)

[@samfrisby6135]

This has been an amazing ride, guys! Thank you, Blind Wave!

[@NemedPhoenixMagic]

If it had been the Master that was the timeless child, that would have been a great plotline, a society built on tormenting a child until he's insane. instead they went with the Doctor and destroyed the entire show :/

[@space1999]

They destroyed the entire show when they hired the entire cast and crew post Moffat.... this episode was the turd on the cake...

[@carlacristina5613]

No this is stupid.

[@carlacristina5613]

@@space1999 No this is spoiled child crying.

[@colonelsaunders]

@@carlacristina5613 You're certainly enjoying spamming people's comments with 'crying' because they're not on board with the direction Doctor Who is currently heading. Stop being lazy and actually tell them why you think they're wrong.

[@freebird6591]

The master nd his 12 cycle could be a doc from the future round of regenerations. All these cycles, its been 12 docs, 12 docs, 12docs, finds out truth, 12 Masters. She becomes him. Even he doesn't remember til she reveals it at the end of next season. Crushes him, doesn't believe it. She fucks up time by killing herself permenantly. Somehow survives as a new doc in a new time line with no memories and starts again or somehow survives with no memories but as the master but from killing herself before, trying to stop him, actually turns the doc in master

[@annettemcgreevy1258]

personally, i don't mind the implications of the doctor being the chosen one, although it isn't as cool as him just being a madman in a box, what i care about is that they completely ruined william hartnells doctor being the first, he was so special before, but now he could be the 1000th doctor for all we know, it's incredibly disrespectful to undermine his importance, also, less important, but they also ruined the big turning point that matt smith had during his regeneration story, there was no stakes at all and there will never be any stakes because the doctor is immortal now. it just saddens me that being the doctor is so uninteresting now that he has no time limit to his adventures, especially since i was such a big fan of matt smith, the genuine horror and fear that you rarely see on the doctors face bcause he had to face the fact that he was going to die, and he knew exactly where and when

[@MrTriplej79]

The whole idea of what made the doctor "the doctor" was that he rebelled againist his peoples code and used his morals and beliefs to change the universe wherever and whenever he went. What made him powerful was that he was "never cruel or cowardly always kind". His morals and beliefs inspired so many normal people he met along the way to do better, with all his companions becoming better versions of themselves almost like pseudo doctors continuing his message even when he left them. The importance of his character and why so many people fell in love with it is because it showed that anyone, even a runaway from a alien planet, can be powerful from only their morals and beliefs. This new concept ruins all of that by saying the doctor is only important because of his genetics and is a God type character which is something the show tonally always went againist. The show always made a point that race or religion doesnt matter when it comes to doing what's right. Which is why its bafflingly they went this route. Its honestly digusting how they ruined such a good character for the sake of a "crazy twist". The history and themes of the last 50 years of the show have been disrespected.

[@lukeyread]

SO surreal you guys are all caught up. Welcome to how painful it is having to wait for new episodes 😩

[@hannibaldenouvelle-austras1133]

And in the end the Hybrid prophecy was right. " The Hybrid, made of two warrior species, destined to conquer Gallifrey and stand in its ruins "

[@thepandorica1660]

Except it isn't. As the Hybrid got revealed in Series 9. It's the Doctor and Clara

[@CaptainScarLeg]

I'm glad Eric was instantly able to see how such a sweeping change to the canon could upset longtime fans, I just kinda wish the gang had spent a bit longer considering the ramifications. He's right on the money when he said "should he even be allowed to?" in regards to Chibnall and "is it disrespectful?" -- and when you consider how long Doctor Who has been going I personally feel the answers should be obvious. I'm glad Aaron sat back and let the others react honestly and respond before he said too much, but I also wish he had shared more of his own thoughts as someone who had watched it a while ago, seen the different fan responses and had more time to mull it over and collect his thoughts. It might be cool to hear you guys revisit this later in a podcast or something. I know I had to take several days to process what happened in this episode after I first watched it.

[@DasKame]

Upset Dr. Who Fans? Holy Moly, that never happend before :D (srsly, i like how embarassing the Fanbase is today with the whining)

[@edgymoji8260]

@@DasKame if you look really really hard, you might realise said whining maybe and this is a big MAYBE...maybe it’s warranted

[@DasKame]

@@edgymoji8260 Sure "Be upset about religion or politics...or a 50 Year old sciFi series"

[@imitationcrabmeat6999]

@@DasKame oh my god get over yourself. People are allowed to dislike things.

[@jeckjeck3119]

No, she showed the matrix convolutedness of doctor who time line and canon... Even time lord Matrix could not take it.