Doctor Who: Classic 10x3: "Frontier in Space" Parts 1-3 | Reaction!

[@alexbruce9499]

10:12 sounds strange, but flour dust is in fact flammable and even explosive.

[@jonathanmurphy3141]

Doctor Who Location (book, 2001, R. Bgnell): The Draconian embassy house is in Fitzroy Park,Highgate; the Prison was filmed at The Hayward Gallery, Southbank complex, on the Thames, London. The President of Earth, portrayed by Vera Fusek (1932-2021) was from Czechoslovakia, who lived and worked in England since 1948.

[@kierenevans2521]

10:16 lots of fires and explosions have occurred from flour being in the air and catching fire.

[@TheZodiacz]

quite true, any powder fine enough can combust easily

[@whobp8]

Vera Fusek, who plays the President, was from Czechoslovakia, so that's the accent you detect. The exterior of the prison was filmed at the Hayward Gallery in London. It's design a prime example of Brutalist Architecture, it hosts exhibitions of (mostly) modern art. The Ogrons do speak briefly in Day of the Daleks.

[@barriehull7076]

Fusek was born in Prague and attended a Swiss finishing school from around 1946. In 1948, her family left Czechoslovakia and settled in Great Britain. After graduating from RADA, she travelled to New York City in 1955 hoping to work on Broadway, but her period in American theatre was brief and she returned to London.

[@josefschiltz2192]

Peter Davison - as a space cow: "Mmmmrh! May I interest you in parts of my body? Arthur Dent: "You mean this animal actually wants us to EAT IT?" Zaphod Beeblebrox: "What's eating you, Earthman?" Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

[@alexthehunted]

you can play a drinking game with this story of how many times to doctor is put in a prison cell

[@ftumschk]

...don't! You'll end up with alcoholic poisoning :)

[@christianwise637]

@@ftumschk You'd be dead by the time you reach the end of episode 2

[@Nosregni]

11:20 That wasn’t supposed to be the cliffhanger. It should’ve been the Doctor being shot, but the episode under-ran so they extended it in postproduction.

[@ItsShaz1]

Roger Delgado’s final story as the Master, what a great actor!

[@ksharpe9170]

Just want to say that I’m about to go into my senior year of high school and mr lemin was my freshman history teacher. I’ll never forget him telling us about dying of a heart attack and then being resuscitated. He’s a cool guy. Everyone always under appreciated him.

[@sirsamfay99]

When Director Paul Bernard saw the final scene of episode 6 when the Doctor gets injured ,he was so appalled by the bad edit he very much wanted to reshoot the scene again.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

Unfortunately this story is Roger Delgado's last appearance as The Master before his untimely death.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

The book/novel version of Frontier in Space has a different title called Doctor Who and the Space War.

[@alexthehunted]

and here we are roger's final master story you were the master and we loved you RIP

[@MuchWhittering]

As much as I think it was a bad idea how much they overused him, with hindsight, it at least meant we got a lot of Roger Delgado before he died.

[@andrewbowman4611]

While I appreciate the sentiment, I can't help feeling that telling the uninitiated that this Master is no longer going to be in it is a major spoiler.

[@alexthehunted]

@@andrewbowman4611 oh alex knows he mentions it on next week episode

[@bananasaregood8655]

And he’s on top of his game in this story

[@kemmdog4444]

You’re exactly right the President (actress Vera Fusek) was Czechoslovak-born.

[@kierenevans2521]

The novelisation is called Doctor Who and the Space War.

[@easty74]

The Draconians in Buck Rogers were a LOT better looking. Princess Ardella anyone? ;)

[@easty74]

Dangerous flour? Must be all that evil Gluten lol

[@kierenevans2521]

The novelisation is Doctor Who and the Space War

[@imafgc]

As a star trek fan I could go on 2 plausible theories on how Klingons became space faring but I won't otherwise it'll just be paragraphs of texts and quotes unrelated to Doctor Who lol

[@flaggerify]

I think that brutalist building is the Hayward Gallery in London.

[@Byle1990s]

You really should check out josh snares and his doctor who missing episodes videos they’re amazing.

[@flaggerify]

The discussion about nuclear war disconcertingly topical.

[@7thHourFilms]

It's even more disconcerting when you realize it wasn't topical when we filmed this video.

[@kierenevans2521]

24:15 Vera Fusek is Czech

[@kemmdog4444]

Draconians are Pertwee’s favorite aliens.

[@kemmdog4444]

@@Silver-rx1mh Yes,indeed

[@kaledmasterme]

I'm surprised you forgot that the Ogrons *did* speak in Day of the Daleks, given that the exchange was hilarious. WE FOUND AND DESTROYED THE ENEMY! any complications? nocomplications

[@7thHourFilms]

You really shouldn't be surprised when we forget stuff.

[@kaledmasterme]

@@7thHourFilms fair enough lol

[@glenmcculla6843]

They could have called this story 'Doctor Who: Star Wars', though that may have got a bit confusing a few years later...

[@stimulusrespond]

War of the Stars?

[@gavinhindson2143]

The novelisation was actually renamed Doctor Who and the Space War when it was published in 1976.

[@MrPaulMorris]

Churchill said something like, "Today we celebrate VE (Victory in Europe) day but the war is not over until we have also defeated Japan" (I'm sure he put it more eloquently). From conversations with those who were around at the time, including my parents, this didn't arouse any resentment or discontent just a resolve to 'get the job done'. Although the Asia/Pacific theatre is largely remembered as a US operation, the UK was actively, if not always successfully, at war with Japan from late 1941 in defence of its imperial holdings--Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaya (Malaysia) and Burma (Myanmar) and the potential, if Burma fell, of a threat to the 'jewel of the Empire' India. The fall of Singapore was not only a humiliation for the UK forces, falling inside a week, but also a great strategic loss. Singapore was supposedly the strong point around which the defence of the Eastern Empire was based, its loss left most of the prior planning adrift. As the world's foremost naval power, Britain had always planned to rely on what we might now call force projection; use carrier based aircraft to supress local air defences then put ashore troops in force through established strongholds... like Singapore. Instead, Britain spent four years fighting a jungle war for which they were neither trained nor equipped. Reports reaching home about how prisoners, both military and civilian, were treated stirred up considerable animosity and strengthened the resolve here to push on. Indeed, even after 50 years my late mother still expressed her animosity towards the Japanese while she had no lingering distaste towards the Germans (at least the bulk of the military and civilian population--as you might imagine, she didn't have any kind words for Hitler).

[@josefschiltz2192]

Mm. My father had no kind words for that stupid creature either. His own upbringing was multi-cultural and multi-lingual in Sighisoara, Transylvania. As a POW, he worked on the land in Suffolk. During that time, there was tell that he was asked, because of his talent with languages I suspect, if he would spy. He wanted no part of that. He'd had quite enough of conflict, as everyone else and felt nothing but relief when it was all over. His family sent letters telling him that he was better off staying in England, starting a new life. He became a cabinet maker. Sadly, he had developed TB and only had one practically functioning lung. This was eventually to lead to a fatal heart attack three months after the first moon landing. My last real memory of him was standing in our garden and looking up at the moon. "There are men up there boy!" he said. He had met Von Braun whilst a POW and said that he was spirited away mysteriously during the night. Von Braun had a habit of making little planes, slightly annoying the other prisoners by buzzing them about their ears. "Tell the truth!" my dad said, laughing and pointing at the television screen, "I knew him!", when Von Braun appeared in an interview in the '60s, "You were kidnapped!" I think he would have been saddened by the bullying that plagued me at school, tellingly after he died. This is how such idiocies and resentments towards others is perpetuated, sadly still. Fortunately, most that met my dad weren't like that and admired and remembered him for the kind, thoughtful and talented human being he was.

[@MrPaulMorris]

@@josefschiltz2192 My mother, who was a member of the Women's Land Army, worked with a lot of German prisoners although further north in Derbyshire and she never had anything but positive things to say about them, finding them polite, friendly, hardworking and conscientious--more so than some of the guards who escorted them!

[@josefschiltz2192]

@@MrPaulMorris There was one fellow POW, whom my dad recalled - for some reason - started cursing in German, a stone's throw from a house wherein lived an elderly lady. Knowing she too was multi-lingual, he yelled "Hey! Stop that! The lady in that house can understand every word you've said!!" He could never put up with that sort of vulgarity, especially not with a lady present. One time, my mother remembered, he was speaking to an Italian, one of the languages he could get by in, with my mother present, and suddenly said in English, "So, what do you think of the English?" Both shrugging their shoulders, they looked at my mother. "Oh!" my mother remarked, "Don't mind me!"

[@barriehull7076]

Draconian Emperor appeared five times in Z-Cars. John Woodnutt.

[@kemmdog4444]

Milk and Pepsi?Laverne’s favorite combination.

[@kemmdog4444]

@Richard Lemin Nice.We were always a Pepsi family growing up.My dad thought Coke was too sweet.

[@chrisbrooker7260]

What are Richard’s actual directorial credits? Is he on IMDB?

[@chrisbrooker7260]

And you both know very little about the pacific War in WW2. Richard’s partially correct either some of his assertions, by Alex is way off

[@7thHourFilms]

He does theater not movie/tv stuff. He doesn't need to lay out his resume to you.

[@chrisbrooker7260]

@@7thHourFilmsWas just wondering. If you offer comment about specific aspects of production, and say you’ve directed things you have to expect people to enquire

[@soupdragon1971]

Thanks to their drive for knowledge and exploration, humans in Star Trek have pretty much fast-tracked Interstellar travel. They went from first powered flight to warp drives in just over a century and a half. They also managed to found a large multiple planet civilisation barely another century after that. I like to think that other species with less exploration based cultures such as the Klingons took much longer to develop FTL. I think there have been references that suggest they've been developing theirs for many centuries. Any rapid technological advances by alien civilisations (The Romulans didn't have warp capable battleships in early TOS) have probably been as a reaction to the rapid pace of the Federation's expansion. Also military empires can gain resources and technologies from other races they have subjugated.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this before but the Draconians were Jon Pertwee's favourite alien designs as he has said on record that he is not a fan of the Daleks. I'll have to disagree with your opinions about the Ogrons I'm the reverse I like them for the reason you guys didn't like them their a hiring intergalactic police with little intelligence and I just love their mumbling their the aliens I wanted back for years I love the look of the ape looking design and the funny weapons also they have spoken before in "Day of the Daleks" but only once but The Draconians are also fantastic and interesting aliens too.

[@chrisbrooker7260]

Both the Draconians and Ogrons are wonderful creations that should’ve been reused in new Who. Far more memorable than some that have

[@MuchWhittering]

With regards to the episode titles, I think a lot of classic stories started off as pitches from the writers to the production team, so the idea usually came before the title. Would the people of Earth know about time travel because of the Dalek invasion? That's before they got Time Travel. There's even a cool 5th Doctor audio about a future Dalek going back in time to warn the 22nd century Daleks about a danger and they're like "Don't be ridiculous, time travel is impossible. Take him to the asylum, he's obviously nuts".

[@easty74]

It's pronounced Oh Grons not Ah Grons. Ya know, it's Leve OH sa lol

[@MrPaulMorris]

Best estimates are that around 30% of the world's population would perish in the short term in the event of a full scale nuclear war (ie one that involved the smaller powers such as Israel, India and Pakistan as well as the major players), The numbers dying in the longer term are more difficult to estimate, particularly due to the collapse of the infrastructure. Nuclear blasts cause a large pulse of electromagnetic radiation in addition to the more commonly understood heat, blast and ionising radiation. This EMP (electromagnetic pulse) basically fries pretty much all electronics within a substantial radius--including power generation, communications and even water supplies. The only systems likely to survive are emergency radios held in carefully screened enclosures. With no power, communications or utilities it wouldn't take long for society to start to crumble. Ironically, radiation has proved to be less problematic that originally thought. The long lasting areas of radiation would result from the destruction of nuclear power stations rather than the bombs themselves. There is a classic example of the survivability of nuclear attacks dating to WW2; a gentleman, whose name eludes me at the moment, was in Hiroshima when the bomb exploded. He survived with some burns and moved to stay in another city... Nagasaki. He arrived just in time to be caught by the second blast, which he again survived. He did have extensive burns but made a full recovery. I'm not sure if he was phenomenally lucky or unlucky! Hopefully, we won't need to test these estimates in practice in light of events in Europe. I have been revising my RAF nuclear warfare training from 4 decades ago... if I recall correctly we were to dig a slit trench covered with 18" of loosely packed earth and stocked with enough supplies to last 14 days. On sensing a blast, turn away from the light, hit the ground and take shelter--then stay there for a minimum of 14 days, by which point there will have been a very substantial reduction in radiation. Now, where's my trenching tool?

[@7thHourFilms]

*takes copious notes on nuclear war survival*

[@MrPaulMorris]

@@7thHourFilms I spent far too many hours digging or sitting in holes to say nothing of the days in fallout shelters try to catch some sleep while in full protective clothing and respirator. Although the concrete floors were cold and hard, the horsehair palliasses were little better (basically a sheet about 2" thick of coarse horsehair bound with some sort of rubber compound). This was throughout the 80s when we still felt there was a real prospect of the cold war turning 'hot'. The concern was that the USSR had such an overwhelming superiority in conventional forces in Europe that, whatever the politicians might say, NATO might well have been pushed into first use of tactical ('battlefield') nuclear weapons simply to survive more than a few days. For example, neutron bombs, denounced in propaganda as 'weapons that kill people while leaving property undamaged', were intended for use against armoured vehicles. Particularly when hull down tanks are pretty much unaffected by anything less than an almost direct hit from a 'conventional' nuclear weapon while an airburst neutron bomb could wipe out all life within its effective radius. Of course, it was designed to kill people but so is a bow and arrow or a sword! With perfect hindsight we now know that the Soviet equipment was not quite as good as advertised, and often poorly maintained and their infrastructure was far poorer than generally appreciated (so they would have struggled to project a strong force rapidly or to supply it once deployed). It should also be said that the soldiers of the Soviet Army were no longer the brave patriots defending the motherland of WW2 but reluctant conscripts counting the days. Those few I met in Berlin shortly after the wall fell seemed more interested in selling anything that wasn't nailed down. As well as various weapons (up to the offer of a machine gun if I came back in an hour) I was offered uniform, technical equipment (I bought a very nice telescope) and even an army truck!

[@MrPaulMorris]

@@7thHourFilms TLDR: Take cover, stay under cover for at least two weeks. If, by some fluke, you have a working (battery powered) radio, check periodically for any government transmissions.

[@Joey15811]

Love this story!

[@kemmdog4444]

I would think it would be fun if you had Klingons vs Sontarans.

[@johntomlinson6849]

My father was in the far east (Burma) from 1942 and 1946. Luckily he was never a POW. The British population knew full well they had to continue the far east war, George VI said as much in his VE day speech, but back in 1942 it was decided that the Pacific War was very much an American led enterprise and US military such as Admiral King nothing wanted nothing less than the British involved.

[@chrisbrooker7260]

MacArthur managed to keep the Australians out of much of the forward advance in the last 2 years after we did the bulk of the fighting in SWPA in 42/3. Yanks wanted the glory

[@CRINOTH]

I'm a bit baffled as to why you don't like the title of this story. Frontier In Space seems like the perfect title for it. The novelisation of this story changed the title to The Space War - which might sound more exciting but doesn't really fit the story.

[@chrisbrooker7260]

I think they have a charter to find at least two minor points per story to go on about ad nauseum - even in stories they like

[@kemmdog4444]

It’s not cows it’s Pigs in Space!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@josefschiltz2192]

Hooray! . . erm . . please excuse my enthused response. It's been a very annoying day.

[@AmyWarriorPrincess]

Unfortunately, I'm the only one who doesn't like the character of the master.. I love the actors who played the master, but I don't like the master him or herself. That is only my opinion and opinion and feelings.

[@bananasaregood8655]

This may be the weakest story in the season imo, but its still a really enjoyable one! The lunar penal colony was mentioned in bad wolf, the 9th doctor and jack were going to be sent there.

[@BulbasaurRepresent]

I prefer this to the Three Doctors and the next serial personally. I think this is a really strong one.

[@chrisbrooker7260]

This is far better than the Three Doctors, which is the first of many overrated multi-Doctor nostalgia fests….

[@bananasaregood8655]

@@chrisbrooker7260 the fantastic on screen chemistry between multiple doctors can cloud the judgement of the actual stories.

[@deggsymarley]

Sorry cannot watch any more too many stories with the master, losing his menace turning up to often

[@tokublwhovian]

You do know the Master is one of three recurring villains? the other two being Daleks and Cybermen.

[@deggsymarley]

@@tokublwhovian he keeps appearing so often in 3rd.doctors seasons lose surprise , rather see new foes like weeping Angeles

[@tokublwhovian]

@@deggsymarley This is Classic Who, Weeping Angels weren’t a thing back then.

[@deggsymarley]

@@tokublwhovian that my point look how many more foes we could have had instead, PS I thought the classic master was a very good actor

[@tokublwhovian]

@@deggsymarley It’s a product of it’s time. You can’t go back and change it, you just have to deal with it and move on. Anyway, (SPOILERS) Frontier in Space (1973) is the Master’s last appearance till The Deadly Assassin (1976) due to Roger Delgado’s death and the character is played by different actors from then on and continues to make appearances but not in every story.