Doctor Who - Daleks in Manhattan - Looking over New York

[@dantheman2442]

I've always liked this scene for some reason, maybe it's the fact that we've never seen a Dalek (in the new series at least) actually converse with a human normally, and yet it still feels tense.

[@jamieolberding7731]

Yep.

[@MrCdawson17]

And Dalek Caan seemed to praise the human race here too, which shows how much they've fallen and look at themselves when they realise "we must be doing something wrong as there's only 4 of us, lets be inspired by humans". It's scary.

[@redjirachi1]

@@MrCdawson17 The Cult of Skaro was meant to imagine and think like the enemy. Caan can't feel most human emotions like most Daleks, but unlike most Daleks he understands them

[@samalvey8168]

Ironic how Caan was the most resistant to the idea of Dalek evolution in this episode, yet he also possessed enough independent thought to ruminate on how humanity endures and survives throughout history whilst his own species constantly falters.

[@disneyboy3030]

It would've been interesting to see how Sec and Caan think about it.

[@redjirachi1]

Additional irony that he'd change his views on the Daleks without being genetically modified; it was all on his new perspective

[@gamewithadam7235]

Actually Thay was the most resistant. Then Cann. And Jast last.

[@mikeestash9921]

''Versions of this city stand throughout history'' Ooh, loving the new earth reference.

[@redjirachi1]

This is a nice, if subtle demonstration that the Cult of Skaro have the potential to think like the enemy. It might just be to manipulate Diagoras, but Caan's musing that Skaro is gone yet humanity survives feels like genuine sorrow. It almost foreshadows Caan's eventual redemption, since even before having his mind opened by time he has unconventional thoughts for his kind

[@rhysdavies4615]

I mis-remembered this conversation as being between Diagoras and Sec - coming back to it and realising that it was Caan takes on new pathos, knowing what Caan will become.

[@MrCdawson17]

Daleks in this story recognising the feats of humans and being impressed. They're jealous. It's weird to see Daleks recognising that they aren't Supreme in everything.

[@casacara]

Probably only a member of the cult of Skaro could admit it. They aren't as restricted as the other daleks, and it lets them think outside of their dogmas.

[@Dilopho]

I LOVE seeing a dalek have a full conversation with a human.

[@jamieolberding7731]

Me too.

[@Dilopho]

@@jamieolberding7731 Wow, I see you on pretty much every Doctor Who video! You must be the biggest Dalek fan I've seen.

[@jamieolberding7731]

@@Dilopho Thank you. My name is Jamie Olberding. Where are you from? I'm from Iowa.

[@Dilopho]

@@jamieolberding7731 I'm from northern England!

[@jamieolberding7731]

@@Dilopho Cool. My state that I live in (Iowa) is located in North America, otherwise known as the United States of America!

[@gtaipan7422]

It's like they had an emotional talk about their history, wish I could do the same

[@jamieolberding7731]

G Taipan 1 month ago I do feel some sympathy for Dalek Caan's loss of his home world Skaro, despite him being an alien killing machine.

[@pikachucetthesecond4296]

"You think like a Dalek" is such an on the nose line in the best way possible

[@waynec38]

@Everyone Is it MY imagination, Or am I hearing that Caan Says That Humans have a lot in common WITH DALEKS?

[@gunmasterx1164]

amazing that this episode is nearly 20 years old and yet so good at the same time

[@crashbash8549]

This episode is 16

[@gunmasterx1164]

@@crashbash8549 which aired in 2007 which was 16 years ago

[@crashbash8549]

@@gunmasterx1164 I just said that, 16 is not nearly 20 lol

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

@@gunmasterx1164 Jesus now I'm old... oO

[@gunmasterx1164]

@@strikeforcealpha9343 same

[@TomKeresey10]

When Dalek Sec says correct at 3:05, the way his eyestalk moves looks like he's nodding.

[@jamieolberding7731]

TomKeresey10 4 months ago You aren't wrong there. I too just noticed him nodding too.

[@codelyoko363]

I'm not sure what happened to Dalek Sec in this episode with his eyestalk constantly moving up and down. Its like the actual Dalek prop got damaged or something.

[@cameronjosephvideos5942]

​@@codelyoko363I think it was supposed to seem expressive. Like your eyes rarely stay still when conversing, and you may cock your head or focus om different things. I think it was intentional.

[@TK-30115]

This is one of my favourite subtle Dalek moments. We hear Caan's disbelief and jealousy at what humans are capable of despite their weakness and "inferiority", and also a sence of loss and even a tint bit of grief when he talks about Scaro being destroyed. It's quite powerful really and there are so many moments like this that I feel go under the radar at times.

[@jamieolberding7731]

Dalek Caan does have a point about Humanity.

[@Legendary3Dgamer]

What point

[@Thunderbirds404]

We are weak, we always shelter from the dark, and yet we always continue moving forward.

[@drewharding]

@@Thunderbirds404 well the Darkness is dangerous way more then the light who knows when murders will appear in the darkness and get you think about that sir just to let you know why we shelter from it.

[@legendgamer676]

“Daleks have no concept of worry.” “Lucky you!”

[@fastertrackcreative]

"Cease talking", Daleks don't appreciate expositional chatter.

[@ninafranco1487]

Seriously underrated episode

[@Kryojenix]

Helen Raynor. Is it the _only_ Dalek story written by a woman???

[@k.sansome.141]

​@@Kryojenix yes

[@MalachiDees2005]

Damn, never knew a Dalek could be humble.

[@Knightfall1012]

Cult of Skaro Daleks were something else! Kinda wish we got more episodes with them.

[@maybeharold]

I cant shake the comparison between the eleventh doctor flapping his hands when he speaks and dalek sec bobbing his eye stalk

[@youngdolo8]

I guess I'm on a Dalek binge now

[@josephbarfield6930]

Caan has the biggest role in this 2 parter after he only spoke once in the armey of the ghosts

[@disneyboy3030]

That and a latter one, especially since he saved Davros.

[@supergeorge8603]

Dalek Jast had a larger role in Doomsday with more lines, yet he speaks the least in DiM and EotD. The only thing he really does on his own here is inject the cromatin solution into Dalek Sec, every other thing he does is assist Caan and Thay in attacking Hooverville and confronting the Doctor respectively.

[@KingKhan20000]

With this you see just how many similarities there are between Daleks and humans. And can we blame both for their ruthlessness? You are either weak and therefore conquered by others or you become the conqueror.

[@PerovNigma]

_"You have been summoned by our leader."_ I like Caan's use of the passive voice; in the sentence, as in life, Diagoras is less important than Sec.

[@Kryojenix]

2:10 Excellent pregnant silence when Marigold's music shuts up for once! Classic series style!

[@looe9195]

Just thought, Sec says to bring him, and the other Daleks are totally OK with this and do as he says, then, before he eats him, they're like "No! Don't do it!" Like, what did they think he was gonna do? Give him a pat on the back? xD

[@disneyboy3030]

I think they thought that he was going to turn him into a Pig Monster or kill him.

[@georgeedwards8189]

Daleks kill what they don't need alive, so it's possible Caan, Thay and Jast thought that's what Sec was going to do.

[@sebastiancooper7792]

Bear in mind that Daleks, even the Cult, are naturally programmed to obey orders, to follow the chain of command. It took a radical situation for the Cult to finally usurp Sec: I think the last moment before the fusion began, Thay recognised its last chance to speak out, and felt it could no longer stay silent.

[@sarahberkner]

I'm American and I saw someone complain about the American accents in this, but I thought it was fine because I would think a 1930s New York accent would be pretty strong.

[@GunnerRM]

Dalek Sec is a mistake of the Daleks. Dalek Sec will cease to have ever tainted the universe with IMPURE EXISTENCE

[@kindnessark8064]

Dalek Sec should have made another Dalek volunteer to be the final experiment as Dalek Sec would of likely have protected the Human Daleks from betrayal.

[@cosmobane6995]

Even during the height of their power, Skaro wasn't that beautiful.

[@arcanewarrior863]

Daleks don't really have similar concepts of beauty or architecture, it's all about practicality of victory

[@onenerd9573]

DALEKS HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ELEGEANCE!!!

[@dalekexterminae]

Caan, the doctor blew it up at the end of the civil war not the time war

[@lochness5524]

He never said the time war, he said destroyed “in a Great War”. Therefore it’s still vague enough that it can be interpreted as being destroyed by the civil war. Also, is this civil war from a classic storyline, and if so which Doctor?

[@stephaniepage4334]

WIll daleks be in series 13 ?

[@gunnerdavidson7287]

Possible

[@ceoofwandaism7380]

Yep

[@robotx9285]

Technically yes, but only as afew cameos.