Doctor Who - Journey's End - Rose and the Metacrisis Doctor

[@bza0123]

The Doctor did it on purpose. He didn't tell Rose that he loved her, because he wanted her to be mad at him, which eventually led her to choose his clone. He wanted her to be happy, even if that means that he'll suffer.

[@redmoon9650]

Luthien I could never be the doctor. He always loses out in the end.

[@hannahdumm3937]

@Marty McFly But that ended in heartbreak too...

[@GehtEuchFckn]

@Secret AgentMan And cheated on her with Clara XD

[@kaitlynrowena5463]

There’s a deleted scene where the doctor gives the clone “ a piece of tardis” so they can grow one and travel like they used to

[@katerinatasiou966]

the pain in the real Doctor's eyes is so intense especially when Rose kisses the clone; it hurts him so much that he's just about to cry before he looks away, SO EMOTIONAL

[@Daicidus]

When yo girl get stolen, by yourself...

[@thatonenerd6359]

YT Expanderman he's just that good

[@thatonenerd6359]

YT Expanderman XD

[@DonDonAlmighty]

Dude.. way to ruin a glorious scene XD

[@LaZeeStuff]

//mm whatcha say plays in background

[@lovehrz]

YT Expanderman XD

[@meganhemmings3368]

Every time I watch this it really makes me cry. My interpretation of the whole thing is that: I've seen people saying this isn't a good scene as the real 10th doctor leaves quickly without saying anything. However, if you look back...Once the metacrisis doctor kisses rose the look on the Doctor's face is one of pure devastation because he knows that Rose has now got her happiness in a form of him, However, the Doctor can never have his true happiness in the form of Rose. He also replies with "does it need saying" when Rose asks what he was going to tell her. Rose looks at him seeming disappointed in his answer but the truth is the doctor knows he cannot tell her he loves her, and must leave this up to the metacrisis doctor to do, in order to get Rose to love the metacrisis doctor in the same way. Although he wishes it could have been him that finally got to say the words he was longing to say from that day. Also the reason the doctor speaks to the metacrisis Doctor with such bitter and disgust, not because of what he did to the Daleks. But because he gets to live the life the Doctor can only dream of. 'One adventure he can never have...the stuff of legend' Such a beautiful and powerful scene.

[@sennyblint3949]

Ouch...

[@youngdolo8]

*FuCkInG wOkE*

[@rochey1010]

And if he says "i love you" to Rose, well there is no way he will leave. That's always why he held back because he was this close to allowing that utter devastation and heartbreak through loving her through her life span and then never being able to be with her again because she's dead. (at one point RTD wrote this ending as the doctor going off to be with her for the rest of her life) But you could always see just how on the knife edge the doctor was with Rose, how close he was to giving in no matter what. That interplay was so fascinating because it's honestly so very human, and 10 felt things that we hadn't seen in a timelord before - actually fearing his death and feeling like it would be his end even though he's a timelord that regenerates. We see that temptation with him exploring romantic love and the fears and insecurities that go with it. 9/10 couldn't control their love for Rose but they could control their actions. This is them controlling their actions. The clone has to say the words. The metacrisis is 10 with 9's trauma (best of both of the men she fell in love with). 9 was so attached and needy and she brought him joy and healing. 10 regenerates from that love and attachment and is so effected by his feelings, that she imprints on him and he sorta adapts to be more for her. All the doctors change drastically each time but what didn't change was the exact way 9 felt for her. It remained the same and only got more intense with 10. RTD wrote prolonged grief into the show which just never happened ever. We actually see just how much grief the doctor is in, how she effects him, how he still loves her and how haunted he is right up until she returns with this 'closure' type of end. That's what's so fascinating about their relationship. The intricate psychological details and subtleties and what it's like to be in love with someone who you know you can never have. You move forward but the feelings linger and RTD actually showed that. No one could bring that exploration of humanity like RTD could. No one has since. But yeah, metacrisis had to say it because if he didn't it would never be over. Metacrisis says it, and just think of metacrisis for a minute too. Metacrisis is as much in love with her here too, and he knows he could be rejected but still lays it all out on the line asking her to be with him. He could go gallivanting off exploring but he just wants to be with her. A life that they can have together with everything that entails. You can see just how devastated 10 is to the kiss that follows because he knows there's something that he'll never have with her, and he fucking bolts out of there because he can't bear it anymore. He let her go for a real adventure but he has to live with the fact that she's now living the adventure that he actually wants but can never have. RTD was very clever with including little comments about 9 & 10 talking about humans, eating chips, getting to know and love each other and just regular mundane things, the one adventure he can never have, and we see several times him pine and wistfully think of maybe having it. RTD not only brought the relationship between 10 and Rose full circle but he brought the doctor full circle and closed out his era through his connection to Rose. We see how closely connected 9 & 10 are, and we never really see it again. The psychology in the writing just hasn't been replicated. It's interesting that 10 is looking at a duplicate of himself that he's disgusted at for committing genocide (hypocrite) but he also resents for being the perfect version for Rose. He knows he's a loose canon but he also knows just how well loving and being with Rose can heal him, because as he says she's done it before, for him. And throughout that he gives up his own happiness for both of them. She can have him but he can't have her. That's love no matter what, when you put your beloved needs ahead of your own no matter the cost. And this costs him greatly because she's now the one he can never have, and it's why it's so bittersweet when he visits her just before he regenerates because you see that for 10 he could never really let her go, and he still loved her just as much. Honestly the Rose/Doctor love story was beautiful, bittersweet and very sad.

[@elisa05271992]

Megan Hemmings perfectly said!

[@elisa05271992]

@rochey1010 omg what you wrote was also perfection

[@MissKateSamuels]

Thus the clone renamed himself “David Tennant”, and became a famous actor! XDDD

[@EremisYamamoto]

Omfg 😂😂😂😂

[@Matheus21video]

@@merlijnp You are talking because Of the Daleks?

[@locctcoldaccount8995]

i hate you lol jk

[@Foxie_The_Valiant]

he also became scottish apparently =)

[@musicology9643]

Then they broke up, Resulting on Rose changing her name, And become an actress too.

[@capitainenour2084]

I am so happy knowing that she will live the rest of her life with A Doctor and so brokenhearted knowing that she will not be with The Doctor.

[@tinohermert3152]

+Capsule i feel more hartbroken about the fake that only his replicant got the kiss he deserved and wanted so badly...

[@farvakazmi8346]

tino hermert when they kiss The DOCTORS face i just melted

[@zc2767]

Capsule q

[@half-bloodMante]

It's easier for me to think of it as like The Flesh episode with Eleven, where the Flesh makes completely identical and functional replicas of the original. Ten kept insisting that he and the metacrisis are the same man. Because of this it makes it easier for me to believe that both the Doctor and Rose got their happy ending in a very wibbly-wobbly sciencey-wiencey way

[@anujkalra6145]

Capsule eitherway I guess Sarah Jane is gonna be sooo jealous

[@virginiamcdaniel7248]

I've never caught this comment that Ten makes 1:29. I finally did today. The Doctor said, "He needs you. That's very me." That's almost heartbreaking right there

[@kikic4899]

I didn't catch that the first time either lol. When I finally did I was like omg, awww/😭 Poor 10. I hate that he couldn't say "I love you" but I'm glad he could say that at least :)

[@virginiamcdaniel7248]

+Kiki C I know. The closest, I believe, that he's ever come to saying I love you by actually saying something was when Peter Capaldi's doctor said to Clara, "You think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?"

[@MrSam4850]

Virginia McDaniel * 1:25

[@champagnecoloredeyes]

THE LOOK on his face after she kisses the Metacrisis Doctor! Ugh heartbreaking! Sometimes just one facial expression can convey/reveal so much more then words ever could. He really is a brilliant actor.

[@melavery3760]

What's even better is that because they're both Tennant, he couldn't really see it happen. He had to imagine it and then imagine his reaction. Such an awesome actor!!!

[@astrid_lovegood947]

YES

[@TheFifaPredictor2000]

It’s that gulp

[@themeta-crisisdoctor1577]

Yes

[@azapro911]

This was RTD's big goodbye present to Rose. After the suffering of 'Doomsday', she now had exactly what she wanted: all of Ten's brilliance, kindness and romance, but human enough to live a life of domestic bliss with her.

[@MatthewCYN15]

Not unless you count Bad Wolf coming back in Day of the Doctor lol

[@EliasKaydanius]

@@MatthewCYN15 why would you count it? That wasn't Rose.

[@Lady-Seashell-Bikini]

​@@MatthewCYN15 Bad Wolf possessed Rose, but Rose isn't Bad Wolf itself.

[@rohanrodrigues7115]

​@MatthewCYN15 that wasn't Rose, that was the moment

[@brucewayne8158]

I wish RTD wrote for Matt Smith’s Eleventh Doctor at least for a two episode story or something.

[@frnknstndrgqn]

This is how I always saw this scene: The doctor who loves Rose unconditionally and she loves him unconditionally. He knew he would outlive her, would someday have to travel on so he couldn't bring himself to say the words. Because he was trying to give her the gift of someone who could spend his life with her. Someone who would love her as much as he did, who would look out and protect her like he would. A version of himself who could say the words without preamble. He had to give tentoo the chance to say the words that he couldn't so she could accept him.

[@bena.guzman2952]

“You could spend the rest of your life with me, but I can’t spend the rest of my life with you.”

[@starsignature4106]

YOU CAN SEE THE HEARTBREAK IN THE DOCTORS EYES.

[@DessinsDuDimanche]

underrated comment

[@nessyness5447]

I imagine having more hearts the heartbreak must be worse...

[@astrid_lovegood947]

yes. just yes.

[@TheFifaPredictor2000]

It’s that gulp

[@nmubunny5975]

"Does it need saying?" YES IT DOES NOW SAY IT!!!!

[@GG3695]

Nmubunny "how was that sentence gonna end?" (Whispers) "This isn't real, it's just a show, so do what the fake whovians want to see even though nothing'll come from it"

[@chaza1000]

GG3695 j

[@calvinjohnson6242]

The Doctor did say it. And he stayed with Rose. And a version of the Doctor left without saying a word. The clone is just as real and as much the Doctor as the “main one.”

[@shade6696]

No no no I really need to stop getting attached to fictional characters

[@vjamison2]

shade hehe true

[@Cherry-hu4xm]

I burst into tears at the mere _mention_ of this scene

[@nanashiakage]

YESS but idk how ;_;

[@lonitbonit5618]

Anytime I need to break my heart, I return to them.

[@lotstodo]

Any time you can get attached to David Tennant - it's a good thing.

[@AdoublesLdouble]

I feel ten gave up rose not because he wanted to, but because he had to. The Doctor saw how heartbroken she was during his half-regeneration, and didn't want her to go through that again. Even if she did manage to fall in love with Matt Smith's Doctor, there was no guarantee that Smith would feel the same way about her as Tennant's doctor did, because regeneration not only changes their physical appearance., it also changes their personality. look at the way Smith's doctor cared about Clara compared to the way Capaldi's doctor cares about her, and it's completely different. Matt would have cared about Rose, but not the same way that Tennant's doctor (or even Eccleston's doctor for that matter) did. He never gave her up because he didn't love her, he gave her up because he did, and wanted her to be happy.

[@elizabethjohnston9606]

+Uber Bullshit Detector I think since the Doctor is the same even though he regenerates, he would still love Rose, but you are right, he knew he had to give her up. He never forgot her (there are a couple of instances where he remembers her in the Matt Smith era like The Lodger when he headbutts Craig and several of his past incarnation's faces appear and so does Rose's, in Let's Kill Hitler she appears as the voice interface after he says "give me someone I like" and in the Christmas special when he is asked if you could spend one last day with your beloved and he looks very sad, and this was before he really knew much about River Song so you can only assume he is thinking about Rose) but he wanted her to have a happy life so he made the sacrifice.

[@theyamo7219]

+Elizabeth Johnston Nope, the doctor's personality also changes with every regeneration, Plus remember 11 is the doctor who forgets

[@elizabethjohnston9606]

+Brutally Honest Then explain how the 12th Doctor still feels the same way about River in The Husbands of River Song when he in fact had a relationship with her as the 11th. Also explain how 9's feelings towards Rose were the same when he became 10. Just because he had a different personality and body doesn't mean his feelings change. Also look at his friendship with Clara. And the reason he is the Doctor Who Forgets is because he is purposely blocking his feelings because it's too painful. He doesn't ever REALLY forget.

[@everydayisrusevday5443]

Because River has Timelord DNA therefore he can relate to her more than Rose.

[@GG3695]

Tracey MacLean, Canadian Whovian You feel wrong

[@existenceisrelative]

Rose Tyler, the companion so hot they manufactured a whole new doctor to give her a happy ending.

[@ladyselin35]

I think its because how it made the fans sad. Fans never forgot about it.

[@mckayla1609]

good for her bestie good for her

[@IrrationalTendencies]

She was the first new who companion, she needed a proper send off

[@dazzag371]

She’s dead now

[@TheCrippledEgg]

Anyone else want their own David Tennant clone?

[@ciarantimothy8081]

Lmao! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

[@Memphis229-f6m]

OK that's creepy

[@ciarantimothy8081]

I bet the fan girls would.

[@phantasmo9998]

I'll take a Rose clone

[@dandelion1469]

I want a 10th doctor clone honestly for people that hate this ending honestly I think they would be glad just getting a clone I mean atleast theyll be happy imagine rose just being stuck in a paralell earth misserable and never able to move on from the love of her life

[@philipsztark3268]

The writers gave Rose the best send off i think they could give a companion.She got a dad back,brother,still had Mickey AND a replica Doctor.Most of them just die

[@Ethan-dn1wc]

Well Mickey went back to his original universe and went and had a life with Martha. The other stuff is true though, I'm still pissed about Donna getting screwed over on the ending the way she did.

[@Fan.Of.FanFiction]

More like got a platonic goodbye and closure with Mickey, like he became her best friend and then he got to be happy with Martha

[@Kumahachi8]

She could have waited until he left. I could hear the poor man’s hearts shatter into a million pieces, there.

[@Zfoxdraws]

Don't know why she decided to kiss the metacrisis doctor right when the other doctor was there

[@lisag8538]

@@Zfoxdraws same reason why he didn't say the words "I love you".

[@agentkayisgay6035]

It was probably impulse. Like when something super scary happens you scream, she probably was so happy that he had finally said it she forgot everything and just kissed him. You can see how quickly she pulls him in after he whispers.

[@nessyness5447]

Poor doc, someone give him an inmortal rose clone

[@dabbingtardis8277]

The moment when your girlfriend snogs yourself and then you take your chance to run away...

[@BuBs1970G]

@@merlijnp Yeah Remember all the damn heart break! 😭

[@DRGently]

Relatable

[@gabrielmedina2424]

this is the first time when i didnt know how to feel

[@jessicatschannen1524]

THIS EPISODE MESSED ME UP. WHY AM I HURTING OMG I FEEL LIKE CRYING UGH. I need to stop getting emotionally attached to fictional characters

[@cringebait2507]

but they are non fictional in here

[@richbutter4579]

Imagine if they got the 9th doctor somehow to play the human Doctor

[@aamirali9224]

I wonder if they will pick up on this storyline where Rose and the metacrisis Doctor grow old together. I will definetly watch that episode.

[@Giorgio-zd7np]

Aamir Ali Doubt it. It was that long ago now.

[@user-fu7zf4ck9z]

Aamir Ali sometimes its better to leave perfect scenes the way they are :)

[@lostfiresanimations6541]

The only thing I'd ever want from that is a series where Rose Tyler goes back to work with Torchwood and brings the meta crisis Doctor along for the ride. Protecting the Earth for one last round. And hey, we may even meet Captain Jack in that universe with the STILL ALIVE Torchwood team and the undamaged hub! Think of it as a possibility. Now THAT is a damn series I SERIOUSLY wish to watch. But nope! The BBC decide to leave all the great things...

[@morganafae1871]

It's called Jessica Jones. He left rose and became a villain named Kilgrave because in that reality superheros exist

[@freyawakeham9310]

Wouldn't it just be a bit boring?

[@daleksvscybermen]

Metacrises Doctor: ''I look like him, I think like him. Same memories, same thoughts, same everything, except I've only got one heart.'' Rose: ''Which means?'' Metacrises Doctor: ''I'm part human.'' Twelfth Doctor (pops head out of sand): ''Like... A HYBRID?????''

[@NickDaGamer1998]

Someone should animate that.

[@elizabethjohnston9606]

+daleksvscybermen YES!!!

[@lavaskater4715]

I like how he pops out of the sand XD

[@daleksvscybermen]

lavaskater Just seems like such a Capaldi thing to do haha

[@wrightsalternateuniverses9704]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ericarodriguez662]

This scene always hits me harder than their first goodbye. Everyone always talks about their first goodbye & how he didn't get to say he loved her, but the part in this episode where he says, "He needs you. That's very me.", had so much more weight than anything in their first goodbye. It kills me every time & then to see the hurt on his face when they kissed & he had to walk away because he knew she had to be mad at him so that she could move on, that is beautiful acting & that is why David will always be my doctor.

[@jimminycrickets6166]

it must have hurt for 10 to see the meta doctor kissing rose because its still not really him abd he never really admitted his love for her,the meta doctor did ;-;

[@TheRedGoldfish]

Donna also looked hurt when The Doctor claimed the meta crisis doctor to be "too dangerous because he was into battle, full of battle and anger and revenge". Doctor-Donna was also born in the same way and yet she isn't dangerous. She looks hurt as a result.

[@builder396]

But the real Doctor did kiss Rose. Back when he was 9 just before his regeneration.

[@musamurshed8359]

Yeah it must've John "hurt"

[@dbizdoesntcut]

but david tennant actually had a big ole boner

[@LordMooshroom]

@@TheRedGoldfish Donna wasn't born in the metacrisis, she just had his brain imprinted onto hers. She was still genetically the same exact person. She was fully Donna with the Doctor's memories. Meta crisis Doc was part Doctor, part Donna.

[@itzdani3206]

Rose: when i first stood on this beach on the worst day of my life, what did you say to me? Doctor: i said..Rose Tyler Rose: yeah, how was that sentence going to end? Doctor: Does it need saying? I BLOODY THINK SO SHE HAS WAITED SO LONG AND YOU LOVE HER SO SAY IT! :'(

[@frnknstndrgqn]

yeah no kidding...she travelled across how many freaking universes to help your ass you better fucking tell her you love her LOl

[@rex198]

ItzDani Yeah, not saying it broke his heart but he knew that either way he could never be with her. He was just giving the other Doctor what he never could.

[@emmanuelperez1516]

I mean the clone said it at least

[@itzdani3206]

@Jack The Film Fanatic No it was even said by the director, the doctor did love her but as he said she will grow old and he will never die so he let his clone have what he couldn't... he loved her a lot honestly, i take it you still watch DR who from time to time look how much he mentions loosing rose after, thats a man that LOVED her, period. :)

[@CTGrell]

@Jack The Film Fanatic he left her because he loved her. that was the best for everyone. sometimes you have to do cruel things to your loved ones for their own good

[@10Irishlover]

The character costume choices here are really interesting and almost forshadow the outcome of the scene. Rose, Jackie and Metacrisis Doctor are wearing blue. While Donna and the Doctor are wearing brown. I've seen this episode so many times and never noticed until now.

[@astrid_lovegood947]

OMG-

[@xanhnguyen4902]

Does anyone find it sad that the real 10th doctor just left without saying a word?

[@Harvester236]

This scene was written appallingly. It was so unrealistic seeing the Doctor quickly get rid of Rose considering he was so hurt after losing her.

[@cryptlord99]

+JJ H It makes sense because he's trying to make it easy for her to get over him.

[@viperrcm1224]

Yes. Then again those being his last words to her is a bit poetic. Also the rift was closing so he had to get moving.

[@GG3695]

Ngoc Nguyen NO

[@katarinazivkovic1171]

yes I think that too 😭

[@J0EB1S]

Anyone think rose and the meta crisis doctor have similar looking clothes

[@cam2684]

Joseph Pratley Oh my god..... I just noticed that and I now can't stop laughing

[@marcziegenhain8420]

Partner look

[@kamolpriya]

So does the real doctor and donna!

[@LiamCatterson]

And then Metacrisis went on by the name of Kilgrave

[@Lollipop-cd7og]

Liam Catterson That's not really nice for the Metacrisis Doctor!😂

[@ri.z869]

Liam Catterson SWEET MOTHER OF WAFFLES WHY DID YOU SAY THAT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

[@7kary7]

Oh My... 😨😱

[@jakeollyb]

Rose dies, and Meta-Crisis goes insane - renaming himself 'Kilgrave'. Using latent Time Lord abilities, he warps spacetime around his victims, forcing them to do as he commands.

[@aidanstead6069]

Liam Catterson In my headcanon, Kilgrave is the Master, in an alternate universe, having stolen the Doctor's regenerations in the TV movie.

[@viannejacks4591]

"He needs you. That's very me" That hit hard 😭

[@user-hu8di9ee4g]

Funny how her supposed last words in Doomsday were "I love you" and in this episode her last words are "what was the end of that sentence?" She answered her own question all this time ago.

[@samhague4213]

The Doctor couldn't say how he felt, it was too painful, but The Meta Crisis Doctor knew that he could. But imagine how he felt, knowing he xould never have what he watched himself do, absolutely heart breaking.

[@beanfarkle1517]

“Bro I just stole my own girl”

[@matthieularochelle1829]

Strange to think that the metacrisis doctor almost certainly lived a longer life than the 10th doctor

[@Saltybuher]

Unless we don't see all the Doctors adventures on screen. We get gaps of a few hundred years sometimes such as with Doctor 11.

[@mrpickle9856]

@@Saltybuher think 10 only had a couple more years after this before he regenerated

[@ride-playerbb2818]

On the other hand, Metacrisis, despite being a normal human, has centuries worth of memories, from his first wife, to having children and a granddaughter who was the very first companion that he had along with the TARDIS, lots of other adventures and companions, and the Time War... He never did find out what really happened to Gallifrey

[@bald_lightning]

@@Saltybuher ten canonically only lived 7 years

[@dazzag371]

Nope he died shortly after that

[@dj12699]

I can't believe that it took me so long to realize that when 10 said that Meta was born in battle and said ¨Remind you of someone? That's me when we first met.¨, he was referring to 9.

[@alphamineron]

It was more like the War Doctor, at this time he didn’t exist but 10 was referring to “we first met” which is 9th because at this point it was canon that 8th & 9th fought in the Last Great Time War.

[@ChrisHJohnson93]

Honestly Rose really was the best partner the doctor ever had

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

lol no

[@alicesmiroldo6008]

Years have passed, but I still can't stop crying my eyes out. Jeez. Probably one of the most beautiful scenes I have ever seen. David was epic in here. I wander if we would ever get a spin-off or just an episode with the two of them together...

[@evannelles6090]

Unless I’m mistaken, isn’t the doctor that stayed with rose...part Donna? Like is rose growing old with a Doctor that occasionally acts like a sassy redhead?

[@presentfuture7563]

OI, EARTH GIRL

[@ssssSTopmotion]

@@presentfuture7563 OI WATCH IT SPACEMAN

[@Ethan-dn1wc]

Yes. The Metacrisis is similar to what would happen if The Doctor and Donna had a child, which is ironic given that of the three companions of the Tennant era she was the only one with whom he had a completely platonic relationship with.

[@MrMichaelBeadle]

@@Ethan-dn1wc YOU. JUST. WANT. TO MATE?!

[@MariaKrueger]

The things is, the Metacrisis Doctor is basically the Doctor before he lost Rose. Remember how in s 3 and 4 he barely even smiled, was dark and sort of depressed. Donna and the Doctor in s2 do have quite similar personalities: quirky, sassy, you name it. So that's actually perfect that it was Donna who touched that hand.

[@katarinazivkovic1171]

the 'Does it need saying' always makes me cry so much 😭

[@frodobaggins3974]

... '"I'm David Twelve Inch really" - that's what he whispered :)

[@nathanbarratt1997]

I would generally love a special where the doctor had to travel to this parallel universe for some reason and meet up with these two.

[@moritz4400]

I don't think he ever could. It would be too heartbreaking...

[@FreakyGoku69]

@@moritz4400 *she

[@LordMooshroom]

The doctor has a new personality after regeneration. Eleven doesn't have the same reaction to hearing about Bad Wolf in the 50th, because he moved on. Don't forget River.

[@noahdaglio9362]

I remember back when the mystery of Clara was still a thing one of my crazy theories was that she was the daughter of Rose and the Metacrisis Doctor

[@jimthecactus7425]

Noah Daglio that would have been so interesting

[@jajcopoczatkuikonca314]

After River... I wouldn't be suprise

[@FreeKickMaestro]

That would've been wrong since the doctor loved her

[@iamameliapondjattel778]

Roses are red The TARDIS is blue This scene is sad Rose Tyler, I....

[@MissTrixie29]

Lol, this actually made me laugh! 😂. Seriously though, this scene is so bittersweet.

[@mobin-Rahman-m]

I love it 🤣

[@aliciar7187]

Now that’s just cruel

[@geniusfollower]

I am grateful that David never finishes 'Rose Tyler.........' when fans ask him in conventions. It is far more beautiful to leave it the way it is. And I think it is special to David and Billie, not to be shared with the world.

[@KimCarter]

But we all know what it is? So why not say it now? That seems like such a British thing, and it vaguely annoys me (says the daughter of an Englishman and Irish woman)

[@WatchVidsMakeLists]

​@@KimCarterAs an American, I find it charming.

[@veganvipers11]

The reason why we see 11 move on so quickly was perfectly described by 10 himself in his final episode, "...some new man goes sauntering away," how with every regeneration, the new man/woman the Doctor becomes has his/her own set of personality traits, desires, and interests, but encompasses the memories and intelligence of the Doctor. I can't help but believe that every Doctor is truly their own being with distinct desires, compressed into this enigma of one being with the title "the Doctor" and memories passed down. The 9th incarnation fell in love with Rose organically, through witnessing her humanity and compassion, and the 10th incarnation as many people say, imprinted on Rose, and regenerated to mirror her desires (regenerating into a body she would find attractive, encompassing human traits). I found this evident when the 10th doctor started to regenerate in Journey's End and channeled his regeneration energy into his hand, instead of simply accepting that his body will change. We hear Rose tell him "Not like this" in regards to his potential regeneration, and after channeling his energy into his hand, the Doctor says, "I didn't want to (change), look at me"... and right after he asks only Rose for her opinion on him remaining the same, "What do you think?"" I want to say that he didn't want to change the way he looked because he was in love with Rose and he was insecure as to how she would react if he changed into a whole new person. I understand the Meta-Crisis Doctor has the same memories and thoughts, but it makes me wonder if he has new desires and traits. Well we know he is part human, specifically Donna, but just how the 10th Doctor imprinted on Rose during his first regeneration, I wonder if he imprinted on Rose again, while evolving into the Meta-Crises Doctor. I could only imagine how heartbreaking it must have been for the 10th Doctor to leave Rose on the beach again, with a clone of him who could freely express how he feels and kiss the woman he loves. What I am trying to say is that only the 9th and 10th Doctors loved Rose, and the Doctor as a whole probably didn't, again because I'm going with the theory that Doctor incarnations are separate entities squished into one, and have the title "The Doctor" and memories passed down. We never see the 11th Doctor brooding or reminiscing about Rose as much, and he moves on fairly quickly, because he has a new set of desires and interests which allows him to fall in love with River. We never really hear him mention Sarah Jane as well to his later companions, because with every regeneration, the Doctor truly is a new person and probably doesn't care, unless the companion is by his side at the time of regeneration.

[@alphamineron]

No everyone gets it wrong, the more intriguing perspective is that we can’t understand because we are just humans. What regeneration feels like to 10 doesn’t mean what it is. 11th appeared in Sarah Jane’s Adventures and talked how he doesn’t look back because he can’t. Regeneration is more of a curse for the Doctor, it’s not that he is different because regeneration changes him but the other way around. He moves on so that he can carry on.

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

well this was pretty damn bitter sweet.

[@Noir4Moon]

It still feels so perfect and yet so wrong all at the same time. She gets everything she ever wanted and yet it’s still not quite the Doctor. Poetic and sad all and once. ❤️

[@MoonwalkerKari]

Not true. She got her Doctor. But the Doctor never got his Rose...

[@Noir4Moon]

@@MoonwalkerKari But he got his family. He got his home and still gets to travel space and time whenever he wishes. He wasn’t emotionally capable of being what Rose wanted him to be then. He’s loved and lost so much over the millennia but he finally has a place in the universe that he can call home. I think at the end of it all, that’s all that matters.

[@nickyroberts20]

one thing i just thought of as i rewatch this clip, this must've been an emotional rollercoaster for the metacrisis doctor, he gets to be with the woman he loves but also sees the tardis leave one last time, knowing in his mind that he'll never hear the noise of the tardis flying away again must've been hard for him to hear, considering him having all his memories from his entire life, it must've felt like one door/universe closes and another life opens

[@Hells_Gift_MB]

He had to go through this and then immediately afterwards wipe Donna's memories. Emotional stuff. The music in these scenes was really on point.

[@yourpalfred]

Can't believe how far I had to scroll to find this comment. The scene with Donna after this was heartbreaking, too! This was a rough episode haha

[@dostagirl9551]

Brilliant how they ended this scene with her question. It was more than a "are you or aren't you." It also showed her the biggest difference between the two: one can love her.

[@annestubborn587]

I'm still crying because of this moment. After all these years, I'm still crying.

[@CloverRaina]

He truly loves Rose with both his hearts. He could've been selfish and could've just brought her along knowing well it would break both him and herself inevitably. He could've offered to travel with Rose like he did with past companions . He very obviously wanted Rose back as evidenced throughout seasons 3 and 4 but he let her go. Also I feel that the reason he brought her back to the parallel universe instead of giving her the option of atleast going back to her own universe where they could atleast maintain some form of contact , was because it would be too tempting for him to just run back to Rose. The thought of watching her pass , age or even share another life with someone eles would've been too painful for him to witness. Even Tenant mentions this in an interview 'that by gifting Rose this new doctor he's not reallowing himself to go back' because he wants Rose to be happy. Damn ...broken.

[@justinhamilton8647]

Every so often I am reminded that Rose is married to a Doctor that talks like Donna Noble and I can’t stop laughing LMAO

[@Fan.Of.FanFiction]

The Meta Crisis was the perfect mix of 9th and 10th, this way he'll fall in love with Rose all by himself, as she heals him the way she did 9th.

[@karkyun]

The early seasons were brilliant absolutely brilliant.

[@samantharoper5885]

This broke and warmed my heart all at the same time. I wish they made a spinoff of with Rose and the human doctor

[@AubreeGames]

The way the he smiles when Donna explains Dimensional Retroclosure. Hnnnngh my heartttt

[@beng1603]

And now, fifteen years later, history has kind of repeated itself!

[@bast713]

"Does it need saying?" Yeah, it really f**kin does! Coming back now it's still bittersweet watching this. We had no right to even hope for a happy ending like this for Rose. 💜

[@amyloveshistory7108]

She kisses the Human/Time Lord in front of the real Time Lord and she chases the real Time Lord, this is soo confusing

[@ride-playerbb2818]

Amy Loves History Wait isn't the Doctor human/time lord? Or did the master not study biology?

[@bonniestar4707]

She probably still wanted to say goodbye, but the Doctor hates goodbyes.

[@sisterjesscah]

"He needs you. That's very me." 😭

[@InternetFad]

The "Chunk of Tardis" part should have been cannon. It should have been cannon!!!!!

[@Matheus21video]

InternetFad I Considered Cannon. (sorry my english).

[@TheSestren]

In Russell T. Davies book about his time as the Doctor Who showrunner, he says fans can think of it as cannon if they want to, because that's how he likes to think of them - the Doctor and Rose in the Tardis, on adventures in the parallel world. Who knows, at some point in the future - hopefully long after Moffat is gone - their characters might be reintroduced for an episode. God, it would be amazing to see the latest incarnation of the Doctor (maybe 14th or 15th by then) meeting the 10th and Rose... and maybe their children? For a one off adventure with Torchwood perhaps.

[@RealBadGaming52]

I wonder did this Doctor Defend earth From Aliens ????

[@vullord666]

I just realized that when the Timelords finally returned (somehow) in Hellbent; it should have been possible to travel between dimensions again. Failed opportunity to not have a short or an episode where 12 popped in to see how they were doing... before Chibnall destroyed the timelords again.

[@orxven1551]

I love how in the end they just look at eachother like: So that happened

[@LadyWindblume]

When this aired, I cried 😭 so much!!! It was so sad! The Doctor having two hearts, managed to give Rose everything he could give her at the time. It was all out of their control. He never stopped giving her everything.

[@andrewpye2114]

Though bittersweet, the doctor knew that it was better for Rose to be with Metacrisis doctor, as he has the same lifespan of a human, which is one of the reasons why he left her with him, so that she can live her life with him in a way as she always wanted, which is also why I am happy that she did, so that way we can see her and Metacrisis doctor again at some point, which I do hope they bring her back this year along with Metacrisis doctor as I want to know what their lives are like now and it would be very funny to see her reaction when she finds out that the doctor changed into the same face again a third time.

[@screenwriter7094]

I’d seriously love to see these two again.

[@epicgravity9087]

Damn, the feels!!! This always gets me

[@Silvera-Avian]

When you think about it, this is also great character development for Ten too as he's already lost Rose once. He knows this time he will have to let go, he's prepared for it and when he knows she'll be taken care of by the metacrisis doctor it's all he needs to move on. He leaves without shedding a tear and what actually hurts him properly this time is what happens to Donna afterwards.

[@XxMr1XxX]

The best thing about this scene is that the 10th Doctor can return back to the show at any age!

[@dazzag371]

Killed off in the last episode

[@mzsharboneau]

Just once it would be nice to have a TV couple who stay together and don't go through all the pain and complication and heartache the writers seem to think we need. Why can't the Doctor get his HEA?

[@randomuser3209]

I haven't watched an episode of Doctor Who in years and I last saw this particular episode in 2014, but I am still tearing up watching this clip

[@turtleboy991]

"Does it need saying"?

[@dylonteo]

doesn't need saying

[@GG3695]

turbokid991 no and it shouldn't have even started

[@meriemcullen8510]

fuck yeah it need saying -_-

[@anghellicrayne8627]

Both share the same thoughts & memories.. The doctor didnt say how he felt but the Meta Doctor knew what he was going to say & said it instead. Both felt the same. Rose got lucky.

[@MysteryGaming101]

Poor Doctor 😭 it must’ve been heartbreaking for him to have to leave Rose behind like that

[@LeoDomitrix]

I lived for this scene! ... And rewatching made me cry again.

[@sisterghoul2898]

The feeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllsssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@AlchemistJay]

Who's here after drowning their tears in Good Omens only to crack their hearts all over again with this throwback?

[@bellaraine5263]

One of my most favorite parts of this series!

[@Lollipop-cd7og]

I love the music at the beginning so much! But it makes me feel sad, like I know it's the "real" end of the Doctor-Rose. PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one in the case!!

[@lijevideos6690]

Lollipop 10 Not at all. It's probably my favorite piece of Doctor Who music ever. Took me forever to find since they hid it in The Impossible Planet track though!

[@dreambelievehopelove2946]

Lije Videos Thanks for mentioning where the soundtrack is located. I was hoping someone would know. I recognized the music but couldn't quite place it. Thank you!

[@lijevideos6690]

Dream Believe Hope Love Sure thing! Such an incredible piece! It deserves to be heard!!!

[@calvinjohnson6242]

The clone is basically the doctor, though. He deserves as much as anyone else. He’s not any less a person.

[@matthewcoupeofficial]

I really would love a spin off of this parallel world.

[@maksimally]

》He needs you. That's very me.《 💔💔💔

[@Zurtle1]

And now I’m crying for no reason

[@Arachninja752]

This scene is tragic, but it all worked out in the end. Rose got a perfect version of her Doctor that will live as long as her, never change, and can afford to spend his life on one planet. Metacrisis, with all of 10's thoughts and memories, got to spend his life with the woman he truly loved. And while our Doctor couldn't have Rose, he ended up with River Song, whose lifestyle was more compatible with the Doctor's anyway.

[@dazzag371]

Rose died

[@lunarmy2437]

OMG TENROSE IS REAL, I CRIED WHEN I SAW THIS. ITS SO HAPPY BUT SO SAD TOO !!!

[@mossy642]

He has to give up. He knows he has to and it’s awful. The other doctor is just as much the doctor as the original, he is a regeneration, one of his lives, as valid as any other, but 1/3 of it. I perfect, angry and mortal. He doesn’t say it. He remains detached and gives her to him. It’s painful to watch him lose everything from this point onwards. He loses Rose, then Donna, then his penultimate life.

[@outsider5266]

I have always been amazed how the metacrisis doctor looks distinctively different from the actual doctor when they are essentially the same person. Is it just the clothing? The metacrisis doctor looks alot more human than the actual one...

[@АнастасияАгаркина-й3э]

That’s David Tennant for you. The clothing too, though, since it’s colored just like Rose’s clothing)

[@MariaKrueger]

Also, the Metacrisis Doctor is basically the Doctor before he lost Rose, he's much more vivacious and happy. Remember how giddy and sassy he was in s.2

[@danielkiran8174]

Remember, that he also has Donna DNA

[@bast713]

The camera angles they use are different in the single shots, I think?

[@katarinabrunk8698]

it's weird, I feel very happy for Rose and the meta crisis Doctor but also very sad for the Doctor, my brain is confused on which emotion to pick lol

[@willmanthorpe8437]

I like how, even though she has the MetaCrisis Doctor, Rose still runs towards the TARDIS when it dematerialises, like she still wants The Doctor

[@yesterdayitrained]

She DOES still want the Doctor. She does, and so do all of us watching- we want the The Doctor too- the ‘real’ Doctor to be with Rose- and he does too but can’t.

[@ledzepchick99]

And that kind of sacrifice is the definition of true love.

[@bigboyfilmproductions8478]

Remember school reunion when the doctor said why he eventually leaves people behind because our lives are like a second to his life this is a good call back cause now rose can live with a doctor that can't have to worry about a life like that.

[@peek873]

i still don't think they gave a good enough explanation on why she had to stay there, the first time i understand but not the second time. i mean she could of continued traveling with him or her and metacrisis could lived in the other world. either way i'm glad she didn't end up alone this time

[@theyamo7219]

+derek peek Mainly because he didn't want her to go through the pain she went through during his half-regeneration again. Even if he did a full regeneration into Matt Smith, and Rose still loved him, there's no guarantee that Matt's doctor would have felt the same way, since their personalities also change with every regeneration.

[@peek873]

Brutally Honest​​​ I think if Russel t davis was in charge when matt smith became the doctor he would of still loved rose and now that I think about it he proply didn't want to lose her again that's why he did what he did and I don't think shes scared of his regeneration cause this time she knows about it unlike the last time I think she didn't want him to chance cause she just found him again 

[@richardthelionheart8656]

Her family had made their new life there. He made her stay for the same reasons he tried to send her away in series 2. The Dictir knows people can't travel with him forever and giving up your family isn't worth it.

[@fernandagabeta8817]

She has her mother, father, brother and now the doctor has the same thoughts and is just like the original that the only difference is that it can grow old with her, she would not be there?

[@SpecialDewi]

It's a dilemma. Does he give up on himself (the half human Doctor) and abandon him there or does he give up on the woman he loves? He's sort of putting his faith in Rose here to fix that.

[@xenthejackal]

"You can spend the rest of your life with me, but I can't spend the rest of mine with you" - School Reunion

[@alicewise6385]

*Rose:* What was the end of that sentence? *The Doctor:* [whispers] get down to del taco they got this new thing called fre sha voc ado

[@Retrolovegamer]

We dont say enough how rose was with the doctor at his lowest when he was nine and now he has a ten with nine pain , she is in a lot of ways the tale of beauty and the beast, making a beast better and with a kiss he becomes human to be with her

[@DWAkhaten]

3:17 - 3:36 I'll just say this. If you don't ship the Doctor and Rose, it really is funny watching Doctor Who turn into a soap opera every time Rose shows up.

[@jarrodwraight9971]

DWAkhaten1995 My thoughts exactly! It suddenly becomes about how much Rose loves the doctor and the pain she feels blah blah blah... It's like we know! Stop dragging it out.

[@Thundernerd2aBird]

This completed me, the writers knew we all wanted these two together, and that's what we got XX

[@passionateerrors]

I'm really starting to think that the whole "The Doctor is part human" plot from the 1996 movie was unintentional foreshadowing. Now we have a chance to retcon by canonisation! Think of it from a Timey Wimey POV. Both The Master and The Doctor were linked together for a brief sequence connected through through The Eye of Harmony when The Master infiltrated The TARDIS with Chang Lee. Seeing all of time and reality with a gateway built within The Tardis. Meaning if fate, destiny, and foreshadowing are all intentional and they all unravel within the Whoniverse as planned, the not-so-well received retcon of "I'm part human, on my mothers side", mixed with a newly regenerated and hyper-minded and deluded 8th Doctor, having a slice of foresight beamed into his head see will make this throw away line, easy to fix. It was The Doctor Donna. Imagine it. 8, being the Doctor to essentially enter the first era and stage of The Time War, gets a throwaway "part human" line which links with the 10th Doctor, The Doctor to essentially be within the last stage and final act of The Time War. Not to mention, RTD had previously retconned the "part human" origins. RTD being the one to bring back the show, introduce The Time War, which subsequently ushered in the 8th Doctor within this new era to bridge the gap along with the 9th Doctor (before The War Doctor was made). This technically means the Doctor's temporary belief that he was indeed "half human" was a foresight into The Meta-crisis Doctor. For a briefe moment in Time, the split soul that would later merge with Donna spoke on his behalf stating "I'm half human, on my mothers side" was actually hinting at Donna Nobel, THIS ENTIRE TIME. Technically by default, The Meta-crisis Doctor and Donna were the 2 to have bonded to produce this almost carbon copy of the Doctor with only one heart, making Donna a "Mother" figure, and The Doctor, a "father" figure towards his half and half creation. He was born in blood, anger and revenge, all correlating towards Gallifrey, The Daleks and a post-time war reality. IT'S ALL SOMEWHAT LINKED. And while yes this theory is a stretch, and could be explained so much better, it's hopefully one knot loose, making Doctor Who just a tiny bit cleaner from its wibbly wobbly timey wimey timeline. (I already got PLENTY of theories to cover up and fix The Timeless Child, so we good in advance).

[@KarmicBead]

The existence of the War Doctor gives this scene such an interesting new light.