Doctor Who Ruined This Guy's Life

Throughout Doctor Who, The Doctor's adventures have affected a lot of random people for better or worse. Few side characters show this as perfectly as Clive Finch from the Series 1 episode Rose, the focus of today's lore video!
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[@HarboWholmes]

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[@CaptainKitchener]

you deserve it

[@DriverHenryWho3245]

Congrats dude, you definitely deserve it ;)

[@St.dresden]

Clive is the best example of the cosmic horror undercurrent doctor who has. The ripples of a time god affecting anyone caught in its wake. It’s the switch from joy at seeing his theories confirmed, to the grim realisation that if it really is “all true”… he’s bout to die. Gets gunned down in front of his wife and kid and the Doctor flies away to listen to Britney Spears and watch his planet explode.

[@joehickey3183]

Torchwood did this really well with adrift and out of time those episodes are S tier whoniverse imo adrift is just heartbreakingly tragic and scary

[@djedg10]

@@joehickey3183agreed. And to think adrift was written by Chris Chibnall. He did so well in Torchwood then dropped the ball with Doctor Who.

[@plantainsame2049]

That's not Cosmic horror That's plane Science fiction He died Because of an alien invasion the doctor had nothing to do with it

[@CreativeColton]

I will say, in the Doctor’s defense, the Autons were already on Earth and already invading, so it would have been a matter of time before more people were killed, had the Doctor not intervened. And in most instances, besides when the writers are feeling lazy, deaths are fixed points that can’t be reversed. Plus, it’s been implied the doctor can sense fixed point events.

[@Breakingwho]

Clive deserved to live! Still got the Battles in Time card

[@sylviahoward1065]

Clive's backstory really makes me feel like the universe was on the cusp of having Clive as a companion to the Tardis but just didn't quite work out that way

[@jonathankozenko]

Not gonna lie -- I was scared at first that this was a video about how a real-person's life was ruined by his involvement with Doctor Who, and this was bolstered by the fact that Clive (in the picture used in the thumbnail) looks a bit like Keff McCulloch, the Remembrance of the Daleks composer, who did supposedly get some seriously negative feedback at the time. Since he seemed like a really nice guy in the behind-the-scenes clips (and I would argue much of his music was underappreciated), I was worried it was that his involvement caused much more bad than good in his life. On the note of the actual video, this is a solid deep-dive into a connection I had no idea existed!

[@tammygant4216]

me too! I was worried!!

[@robeldridge5668]

I thought the same thing, and as someone who (tenuously) knows the actor, Mark Benton, I was also quite worried!

[@sylviahoward1065]

This is honestly the fucking best microdetail in Doctor Who for me how this guy spent his entire life following and researching the Doctor and then fucking dies at the end of the episode - just so hilarious to me

[@KieronSmithMusic]

So Clive never got to meet the doctor properly except for the 12th?

[@Alex-yl8dz]

I've actually met Mark Benton, lovely man.

[@EmoBearRights]

He was on Strictly and yeah he seemed lovely and was one of the few comedy contestants who could actually dance.

[@Redboots]

I really like clive. I don't often want to be friends with or sit down and have a chat with characters, but clive is certainly one character I would. I really appreciate his existence, ass well as linda from love and monsters, because it gives the universe so much depth and it stops the companions from feeling too special in the universe because they're not the only ones who know about the doctor. people know that there's something bigger happening, even if the wider world won't discuss it, and it's relegated to the world of conspiracy theories. and the fact that he got a backstory fleshed out in expanded media? even better. I love when characters get stuff like that

[@Mcdude02]

This is some peak Clive posting, thank you Harbo

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

The cruel irony that if The Doctor could have left Clive alone after he lost his Dad then maybe that family could have suffered less grief.

[@plantainsame2049]

Actually no He died due to an invasion that had nothing to do with the doctor The doctor was literally Just in the area

[@jimmy2k4o]

He never met the doctor. He wasn’t in the shopping centre because of the doctor ergo he would have died either way.

[@ashleytuchin7693]

Thanks for this, I knew about Persistence of Memory and the Rose novelisation, but I didn't know he played such a big role in The Dimension Canon. It would have been cool if Clive met Maxwell Edison or LI'NDA.

[@jake4343]

Deep dive? More like deep Clive!

[@Halfendymion]

Thought you would talk about some actor whose life got ruined by the British science fiction television programme Doctor Who

[@grisha5051]

I was rewatching this episode with my friend last week and was thinking the whole time how Clive has so much potential for more stories. I needed this, thank you!

[@OfficialSoraOkami]

If you consider Clive's Website as Cannon if you read the contact list You will see a User by the name Marty Mcfly say "I know that man, he stole my DeLorean!!!" Which Could mean Back to the future is Cannon To Doctor Who.

[@mrcritical6751]

Honestly I think in that case it was somebody trolling Clive

[@greenhowie]

I can get behind this.

[@CineScarborough]

​@@greenhowieSo can I. Reminds me of the fanfic I wrote ages ago where the Toymaker crossed over Doctor Who, The Simpsons, Coronation Street, the MCU and Back To The Future into the same universe.

[@thor6519]

I loved clive. The target book of rose is so good and the mentions of each doctor. Great book. Great video Edit(I wrote the wrong name for clive so changed it

[@MrHJW1995]

When are you doing Torchwood: Children of Earth man? I’m waiting on that one.

[@rangedlime]

Sour cream and Clive

[@tammygant4216]

So funny you should focus on this. This character just bubbled up in my memory (for no reason) a week or so ago!

[@joannelively9934]

What a great video & I love Clives backstory

[@BK-ku1zt]

Not going to lie I thought this video was going to be about a real person who somehow had their life ruined by DW

[@Reginald425]

The dangers of selectively calling the Doctor “Doctor Who”

[@GavinMorris1]

Cache (@2:15) is pronounced 'cash.' Cachet (an indication of approval carrying great prestige) is a frequent false friend. Offered in the spirit of appreciation and helpfulness.

[@PugLouWeez]

Clive is one of my old friends dads haha

[@danieljackowitz2343]

Big fan of Clive Finch. Thanks for the video!

[@basilbrush9075]

Some say he's still held up at the roadworks between the mcvities factory and birdhall lane

[@RustyDalek72]

Fascinating! Thanks for making this.

[@adamntcaponewholikesbigcoo1749]

This is why Clive became a PI isn’t it

[@ambrosia777]

Love this series, keep it up!

[@j9lorna]

The actor has been in a few RTD projects. He plays a demon possessed man in the Chris Eccleston mini movie "The Second Coming" where Chris character goes missing on the moors only be found claiming he is a prophet and the end times are here.

[@CineScarborough]

Could you imagine if Clive met Fox Mulder from The X Files? Nobody would be able to shut those two up once they get going about unexplained phenomena.

[@cruzloera4931]

When I watched the first couple series I thought anyone that investigated the doctor would die. Clive, that tree lady and Linda and I’m sure there’s others.

[@merlin8046]

Every time I watch this season I can't stand his story, he didn't deserve it

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

What Doctor Who does to a mf

[@vanillaconk]

So glad they included him in the Dimension Cannon, such a good character

[@alanblott4559]

Thank you for this ...... Greatly enjoyed.

[@leeci33]

Idky I just noticed you sound like a news reporter. Lol 😂 still ❤ you Congrats on the 50k! You’re a legend!🎉🎉🎉

[@joshuaverran9443]

Im surprised after 18 years people still remember this character.

[@drsmartin]

'Clive'’ in RTD's Second Coming is brilliant, but the names of Clive's sons must be a nod to Ben Jackson, played by Michael Craze.

[@SamuelBlack84]

I like to imagine that Clive's son grew up to become a supervillain to avenge his fathers murder Perhaps in his mind he would blame the Doctor

[@DreamBelief]

By the title I thought you meant the show ruined the actor's life

[@swootgrommet5921]

Thank God. I saw the title and assumed this was a George Reeves situation, where the actor’s Doctor Who appearance somehow ruined his future career prospects.

[@mrcritical6751]

Nah he’s done well for himself. Was on the soap opera Waterloo Road for a good few years, was on Strictly Come Dancing at one point and played the dad in Anna And The Apocalypse to name a few roles

[@greenhowie]

Wait so you're saying alt-universe Clive became Vault-Tec?

[@thegamingcyberman149]

When you mentioned "Rouge Planet" I immediately thought it was Mondas

[@VuddyProductions]

I hope the thumbnail doesn’t mean you’ve beaten me to making a video about Clive’s dad

[@ivymoon5084]

Obvious ones like bigfoot, bigfoot, bigfoot or nessie

[@jamiemerian9736]

Wow, thanks for this. I've been a Who fan since the 2005 era, but know little of the massive expanded WHO-Verse. I just saw some comics featuring Matt Smith's Doctor and the crew of Star Trek's Enterprise - D - team up to fight Cybermen. . . . so with that said. . . what's considered "Canon" these days?

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

A common phrase used is "Doctor Who has no canon", which in a way is true. As there's so bloody much of it (TV episodes, the Cushing Movies, Big Finish, VNAs, Titan Comics, all the other comics, novels and audios, and so and so forth), and contradictions are all over the place, there's no way to decide on what's canonical and what isn't. Not even what's been shown on TV is necessarily true, as things change under different writers. In other words, anything you want to be canon, can be.

[@plantainsame2049]

​@@TheSmart-CasualGamerIt's all ken, and you're to the nature of time travel and they're literally anything can happen

[@oscarsmusiclab7201]

When is season 9 reviews happening?

[@PathsUnwritten]

"REVENGE!!!"

[@pillywilly6794]

Thumb Nail King

[@NoButIGotCheezWhiz]

I just remember him playing a devious little fella in Second Coming, and I can’t take him seriously

[@william2496]

How did Peri reply to Clives website, she died after a brain transplant

[@alternatethirteenth5594]

There's 5 Peris. Yea. Listen to Peri and the Piscon Paradox, that clears it up

[@bradleydrake6941]

Different peri

[@bigmemvb]

for a second i thought you meant the irl person

[@akshaytrayner1960]

Mark Benton is great

[@imaginary5720]

I enjoyed the video but the title man… feels so click bait. A story about Clive is not what I expected clicking on this video. But whatever gets you an audience works I guess, I enjoy your deep dives

[@mrdr0161]

Is this a joke? The thumbnail literally has Clive and the title is about him

[@Wonkothenormal]

I also thought that it was a video about the actor of Clive and something bad happened to him. Title suggesting the the show was part of of the actors misfortune.

[@Legendary3Dgamer]

2:54 that’s impossible for him to find the 12th doctor if he saw the 9th in the episode rose your basically saying that the 12th doctor regenerated into 9th not the other way around

[@mediakira6621]

…no he’s isn’t. Clive met 12th when he was a kid. Clive then grew up researching the Doctor and came across various photos of 9. Clive even said so himself he initially believed that the Doctor was just a family title but then came to the conclusion that he was a inmortal alien. Nothing in this video implies Habro is saying 9 regenerated into 12

[@Legendary3Dgamer]

@@mediakira6621yh how tho can the 9th go from 12th to 9th huh 🤔

[@mediakira6621]

@@Legendary3Dgamer …he didn’t though. 9 didn’t become 12 and then 9 again. Nothing implies that It’s a series about time travel. Can’t expect everything to be in a linear passage. Young Clive met 12. Then saw photos of 9 everywhere while researching the Doctor . It’s not that hard to understand.

[@mediakira6621]

@@Legendary3Dgamerhe didn’t.

[@thejokestore6213]

No