Doctor Who's Hidden Horror Gem

[@HarboWholmes]

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[@dingusdown]

i cant hide my laughter from that

[@rohanumpleby4090]

Harbo I love your content, sorry to say this I appreciate your work but I Don't have Patreon

[@Sol-Cutta]

The one league gentleman wrote was great tribute to hammer ,/amicus , what was it called ? The purple terror or something. .

[@Sol-Cutta]

Thanks for that reply...lol. forgot I wrote that...I'll Google it...

[@jessicaable5095]

I feel like the Doctor's thoughts on others' mortality are very complicated. Yes, he sees everyone as ghosts, but he also sees everyone as alive as well, given that he could just pop round to any persons house for a cup of tea whenever he likes. He occasionally gets caught off guard by mortality, as we saw when he tried to call the Brigadier and discovered he'd passed away.

[@lexwithbub]

Yeah, I feel like he sees that limited lifetime as being so much more precious.

[@MrMythul]

There's a big theory that in 11s last season with Amy and Rory that the season. Some episodes in the series appear out of order on top of that there is a theory that the doctor in some of these episodes is actually from after the angels take Manhattan.

[@kalyambamhango4548]

@@MrMythul Damn. I mean, I get it, but it's also a hella weird thing to do. Would make sense

[@LegoTFGuy]

Man, having the Crooked Man be an unsolved mystery would've paralleled the Impossible Girl arc so well. Could've even had the Doctor admit that sometimes even he can't come up with all the answers.

[@jessicaable5095]

Oh yeah, that shot with the lightning and the ghost behind them always freaked me out. It reminds me of a similar shot in 'Woman in Black' where we just see the protagonists looking out a window from the outside and then the ghost's pale face appears from the darkness over his shoulder. It's one of the more subtle jumps ares in the movie but it's the worst one for me. It's when you can see something horrifying the characters don't notice that makes you think 'Well what could be creeping up behind me in the dark?' I don't get that feeling with loud jumps scares because at least you know you'd notice if it ever happens in real life.

[@adventurekitty1016]

That movie scared the crap out of me(I don’t scare easily), especially the jump-scare you just mentioned.

[@jonathankozenko]

I absolutely loved Hide, and would argue it's as scary as some of the best, alongside ones like Listen and The Empty Child -- and like The Empty Child, the actual revelation is legitimately quite a clever one from a sci-fi standpoint. Glad to know you really liked it as well.

[@dinopuff7354]

litterally one frame from hide gave me nightmares for years

[@alicebethell8069]

​@@dinopuff7354 The one at the window?

[@dinopuff7354]

@@alicebethell8069 the picture of the ghost actually, where it has the elongated mouth as the scream, my god couldn't sleep after that

[@alicebethell8069]

@@dinopuff7354 I was also scarred by a certain shot in a Doctor Who episode but from the Waters of Mars- the shot where the first Flood victim turns around and the transformation is revealed. That haunted me as a child 💀

[@jonathankozenko]

@@dinopuff7354 Along with that, that line that's said when they're looking at the picture "They always write her the same message: 'Please stop screaming'" has permanent residence in my head

[@sanddagger36]

9:23 The idea that there is a species out there with their nature being that they are timeless immortals has been done so many times in sci-fi but never quite as well as the timelords. they actually made the show about the timeless immortal and his point of view. Instead of just being some great mystery you hear about how immortals are born and where they come from (galifrey) This is what makes "the timeless child" so offensive. Instead of being a race of immortals who just have this divine right, they are recast as murderers and thieves and then they are all killed off by the master somehow. It's insulting to 50 years worth of viewers.

[@kryten1016]

I try my best to forget it exists, and just return to old gems like this to remind me of what matters, and what is worth watching. It truly takes away more than it give bake to the show.

[@nironagendram9501]

Not that the timeless child was in anyway good, but Idm the time Lords being seen as bad even the idea of them stealing their abilities is interesting. As well they are set up to be pompous and dangerous from the the 10th's last regen episode.

[@maldon3659]

I don't like it because it erases all the mystery from The Doctor and The Time Lords

[@sanddagger36]

@@nironagendram9501 the timeless child was just the most chliche way to do it. The whole origin of the timelords comes from one person and it just happens to be the doctor. Literally anything else would have been more interesting. Like the timeless child could have been rasilon and then the doctor would've had to completely rethink if rasilon was evil or justified in his tirade to control the timelords. Anything to be less cliche than it being the doctor herself.

[@plantainsame2049]

They aren't meant to be important or special. They're pathetic old Fools who sit around and do nothing There very inception was just Making more of the odd stranger from the stars known as dr who

[@kenthomas505]

Another good, and underated, episode from this series. Clara's line about how the Doctor must see all humans that he's ever dealt with, especially his friends and companions: "...we're all ghosts to you", which is spot on true. His tragedy is his outliving everyone, basically being immortal in a way. That's why I never thought it right that the Doctor could ever have a romantic relationship with a companion, he couldn't stand seeing them grow old and die before his eyes... again, and again, and again. It's not something he could ever do. I know the show has often highlighted the flirtations between the Doctor and some of the companions, and it's understandable from their point of view (they see him as being young when in fact he's not, being thousands of years old), but for the Doctor, that can never be. I also like how you point out the flaw in the Impossible Girl story arc shouldn't be focused so much on Clara but the Doctor himself. It's he who can't accept that she's just an ordinary woman and not some special puzzle that needs to be understood and found out what meaning she has for seemingly reoccuring over and over at various points in time. Fans want to unfairly point the finger at Clara and give her the blame but it's the Doctor who they should be focusing on. I think most don't like the arc because they think it gives to much importance to Clara at the end and how she has to go back through his timestream to save his past selves, if it were any other companion in her place, Rose, Donna or Amy say, would they still be so upset by it? Probably not. At any rate, I like that arc, and this episode too and how it starts to lead up to it in the finale. Great analysis once again! 👍😀

[@astra3310]

Clara was a normal person, but simultaneously she WAS special due to her future self jumping into the Doctors timeline on Trenzalore and becoming split throughout every instance the doctor faced mortal peril to guide him to live long enough to find her echoes, find her, and set the loop into motion. She’s normal, but also special bc she’s the centre of the giant time loop of sorts where her echoes cause the doctor to find her, setting her echoes out again. Like how Madoka was normal until Homura went back to save her repeatedly, thus causing her to become a focal point of Karmic Destiny when no interference would have left things as they originally were. Her echoes made him meddle, causing the echoes to be born both for the first time and yet again, and so the cycle goes.

[@imadeadmeme9429]

I loved the part in The Brain of Morbius where Jared Leto showed up

[@pedroxqui]

It's braining time

[@lucypreece7581]

I dunno if it is this writer specifically but in both the episodes he wrote there are obscure references to fiction/pop culture and I really like them and I dunno why. Rings of Akhaten references the poem The Carpenter And the Walrus by Lewis Carroll and this episode references the song Lets Do It, Lets Fall In Love by Cole Porter. I love that they are integrated into some of 11s manic dialogue that we get when he is talking at like 100 mile an hour. I dunno why I like these references I just do.

[@jbcatz5]

The relationship between Clara and the TARDIS evokes that of Big Finish companion Charlotte Pollard, who kept finding herself in sticky situations with the Web of Time. The story Zagreus has a scene where the TARDIS, manifesting through a projection of the Brigadier, makes some very bitter points about Charley to her face. Later on in her travels she ends up separated from the Eighth Doctor but her rescue is conducted by the Sixth, her arrival in his TARDIS being where another character notes the time and space ship doesn’t like Charley (partway through this arc a time sensitive likens the timeline to a cat spitting and hissing at her).

[@Comicbroe405]

Love Charley! Such an underrated companion. And Zagreus is peak.

[@inkermoy]

As a fan growing up with the classic series, I love Hide for the 70's feel they give it. "Toggles!" The two ghost hunters are a great pair, mirroring the Doctor/Companion relationship. Would have been nice to see a spinoff series.

[@thomasjohnson8391]

It’s like Luigi’s Mansion. And then next week journey to the center of the tardis.

[@doutorbolado7887]

I love the camera references for Evil Dead at the beginning of the episode

[@ohgoditshimrun1346]

Regarding the ending, the monster was seen in both timeframes. Which not even Omega could have done. Thus there had to have been two of them, or the plot hole would have been gigantic.

[@AdamJasper18]

Personally I find Horror quite boring. I spent my childhood avoiding it like the plague because I didn't like scary things but when I eventually did start to engage with it more I quickly learned all the tropes and find most of it doesn't scare me anymore. For me this episode became far more interesting when it stopped trying to scare me and started to try and figure out what the ghost was and how to help it as that part feels far more Sci Fi which I love. I find Horror like "Listen" far more effective than this traditional haunted house horror

[@SeanORaigh]

When I got up to this episode in my Moffat era rewatch, I'd have swore that it never existed until now. I probably just watched and forgot it, but I literally couldn't remember a single thing about it.

[@LateNightHalo]

The issue with people “not getting the Impossible girl” story is that it’s not done particularly well. Moffat set up a genuine mystery, Clara IS dying over and over. It would actually land as a genuine criticism of the Doctor if there was less of a serious impossibility to her. The intention is there, I understand what Moffat thought he was doing but it just didn’t work well. He made her into a genuinely “impossible girl” so the audience naturally will empathize with the doctor because the audience is also curious

[@ElodieCunningham]

I genuinely thought I'd seen every episode of Smith's era, even if some of them were forgettable enough that I only had vague memories, but I think I actually missed this one entirely!

[@mayotango1317]

Meh, the Chinball era is the forgettable episodes.

[@ElodieCunningham]

@@mayotango1317 okay? I wasn't talking about the Chibnall era though

[@AdmiralOctopus]

@@ElodieCunningham Ignore them. Any time anyone comments anything even vaguely like criticism of the Moffat era, they reply with some "what-about"ism of the Chibnall era.

[@altinaykor364]

In my opinion, only good Smith era episodes, are the ones where jokes have toned down and have darker atmosphere and show reality, instead of rainbows and unicorns (basically the time he had in series 5-6 and 7A) which is why I love this part of his arc with Clara and see how much more open he has turned into about emotions

[@zachh6868]

"the single defying noise declaring hopelessness and doom" *Dalek theme during series 4 finale*:🧂

[@travelservices1200]

That "I wasn't the one holding your hand" notion comes from a line of classic, very scary horror stories. The one I know about best is from (one of the scariest books I've ever read) The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson, but I doubt she originated it. It's too good to have been missed all that time before.

[@gregf9160]

At the time, you know, I didn't enjoy this episode as much as I felt I _should_ have. But your insightful recap and thoughts have made me re-evaluate my opinion. Thanks, Harbo 👍

[@NileSWPhotography]

I’ve rewatched series 7b and I’m actually realising how wrong I was about most of the episodes 🤣 I like this episode too. I think my hatred of the series came from my bias of Clara. Just found her annoying but rewatching I like it all.

[@jackier.3246]

Same happened to me, I watched her and 11th a few weeks ago and loved it , same with 12th.. I didn't I just don't like Danny and he made me hate her, but now that I gave a chance to her episodes I absolutely loved it

[@anigodess]

I liked Clara in season 7B, but I felt that she did start to get pretty bad further on.

[@ThomasMcHughRedDead]

i used to love 7b because i love clara, but i rewatched this season and now i hate it lol. still love clara tho, she’s great in season 8 and 9.

[@LiveHedgehog]

For some reason I missed this episode when it aired, and didn't see it until my rewatch of NuWho last year. It's quite good though.

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

Great little gem in Series 7B and the stronger one of the Neil Cross written stories. Does kinda shit itself at the end but otherwise great horror story.

[@lucypreece7581]

I love this episode. It's just brilliant. No further notes. My ranking is 9 out of 10.

[@Obi-Ollie]

While this episode if good on rewatch I had completely forgotten about this episode and couldn't remember a thing about it

[@vasp99]

I loved this episode because it captured to atmosphere of 1970's horror flicks , in a classic Doctor Who manner .

[@LordGoose-zr6jj]

0:17 It's Morbin time

[@ColorOfSakura]

I honestly don't know if Neil Cross would have been a good choice for a follow up showrunner to Steven Moffat, since (as we learned with both Moffat and Chibnall) just because you can write good one offs it doesn't necessarily make you a good showrunner. But man I really wish he'd been given the reigns for the era of Who that came after Capaldi's era. Rings of Akhaten and Hide were both such excellent episodes of Series 7 and frankly I really wanted to see what other ideas Cross could have instilled within the show itself. And I'm sad that he never got another chance to write anything else for Doctor Who afterwards either.

[@mayotango1317]

RTD was a soap opera writter, nobody can imagine him as a showrunner.

[@Elcrisso1]

12:45 This feels like a great character that could have been brought back for Flux in place of Claire Brown.

[@Sophia-cd2ci]

I really like this episode, but I'd forgotten just how much. I don't know if I'd consider it horror, but it is certainly a great episode with spooky vibes. Thanks for the great review. I think it's time for me to give this one a rewatch hehe

[@erubin100]

I think no one talks about this episode purely because the ending ruins it. If it wasn't for that, it would've been a truly great episode. Bad endings can destroy a work, no matter how well done it is technically.

[@paladinboyd1228]

Yeah I agree the ending was tacked on and kinda deflated the story.

[@kateworkman921]

I never minded the ending of this one. I'd have to watch it again to see if I feel like it was tacked on, but one thing Doctor Who usually does well is subverting expectations. Take the Van Gogh episode. The "monster" in that one wasn't purposely terrorizing anyone - it was blind. Granted, there was more of a build up to that through the episode, but at the same time, I feel like this one subverts expectations with the Crooked Man. No one's going to look at that creature and think, "Oh, he's just someone lonely and missing his mate," they're going to think he's this horrible monster out for blood. So I like the Doctor's realization of it not being a horror story, but instead, "it's a love story!"

[@ishathakor]

the only reason i like the crooked man twist is because it gave us the great line "it's not a ghost story it's a love story"

[@Sharadise]

@HarboWholmes Watching the time machine race through time while standing still in space was also done in "The Time Machine" (1960), which in itself was based on the book by H.G. Wells. Here's a clip of this scene from the movie, which I think did it very well (especially for the time): kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYTUoqqsbZuDqtU

[@Andrew-up3dr]

It wasn't till last year the I realised that abaddon from torchwood season 1 is the son of the beast

[@conorhamersleyspage8173]

0:18 Morbius

[@Musydid911]

That's where Morbius went.

[@dingusdown]

he morbed

[@alisonjane7068]

i've always enjoyed this one. it has some similarities to the 1962 movie the haunting (e.g. the mysterious hand-holding), which is easily one of my favorite horror films.

[@gordonw.8831]

If there wasn't the stupid and hamfisted "lovestory" ending, it would have been one of the best DW stories ever. Now I think it's a missed opportunity.

[@Lia-uf1ir]

The traveling through time scene of this episode was one of the first clips I saw from Doctor Who here on KZbin causing me to become sooo interested in the show - especially the scene in the jungle with the giant dragonfly (which implied that they were in the Carboniferous period).

[@StagTwo]

Been looking forward to this one since the community post! Doctor Who has such horror potential!

[@timothystout4259]

I love when the doctor investigates, like running around is fun and all but I really like the slower scenes like when he time travels to take pictures I’m this ep

[@Comicbroe405]

Shows his alien nature incredibly well.

[@saskiamckenna2925]

THANK YOU SOMEONE FINALLY APPRECIATING THIS EPISODE

[@austria9811]

The episode has really a strange Scooby doo vibe

[@williamhanekom9882]

I always thought the scene with something unknown holding Clara's hand was a nod to The Haunting of Hill House.

[@TheToonMonkey]

The lost Lord **cough Omega** 🤣

[@skinner219]

Hide is a fascinating episode, I do like creepy concepts. I’m hoping we get more creepy episodes in the future. (I’m mean RTD is coming back so maybe?) From 19:21 - 19:40 that’s actually a interesting concept, and could work as a finale.

[@pundahandz7403]

Def an underrated story, enjoying it more and more on rewatches. Also don't know if it's intentional on your part but appreciate the video's pacing with the ad breaks in between.

[@funbricks1]

Hide, outside of Day of the Doctor, is my favorite series 7 episode!

[@stethespaniard2]

You’re giving this too much credit

[@brinnrobinson17]

The ghosts in Under The Lake Before The Flood (apart from the Doctor’s) get confirmed by the Doctor to be real as well as the possibility that the “ghosts” that Graham sees in the third to last episode of series 12

[@owenshebbeare2999]

One of the best. Really reminded me of The Pyramids of Mars and Image of the Fendahl.

[@matty_mls]

Another episode in this series i absolutely love that doesn’t get enough love

[@SethAurelius94]

That's strange, I don't remember ever seeing this episode.

[@nafspark]

I've disagreed with your analysis on a number of episodes, but I really don't see this episode as being good at all. The best part of the episode was the Doctor going to a bunch of different points in time to get all the photos to piece together what was going on. The rest of the episode just felt like a dumb riff on the ghost hunting genre, which is more stupid than enjoyable. I think it deserves a C rank at best. And I wouldn't object to a D.

[@drbeesting7277]

I'm only here for his reaction to "For the love of God, stopped screaming"

[@PsyrenXY]

I don't hate Hide but if it weren't for the scene with Clara in the TARDIS and the tie-ins to the Impossible Girl Arc, it would be completely forgettable imo. I rank both Cold War and Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS above it.

[@themoxcast]

You say Mandragora about as well as Matt Smith says Metabelis.

[@orangepizzaparty688]

Gonna be honest, just never got round to watching this episode. And now I'm terrified to watch it lmao Maybe when I'm older

[@Blofeld001]

Haunted mansion or not, I wouldn't mind being stranded there with Clara.

[@Hathsh]

So apparently I remember nothing of 7b (apart from Bells of St John)

[@Sol-Cutta]

Or like the time machine scene of the changing shop window ..u keep forgetting the most iconic influences

[@evanmccreesh268]

One of my favorite episodes of all time

[@johannvongenerico9487]

My word, a RuneScape reference. That takes me back

[@cleanerben9636]

my mum didn't like the conclusion of this episode

[@RoyalKingOliver]

4 A Tiers in one series? My goodness I’ve never seen a show with that many A Tiers What definitely beats this though are they 4 S Tiers from Series 3 and 4. But man is it gonna suck from now on until the Doctor Trilogy *sigh* Sometimes good things must come to an end (or take a short break)

[@loomingmoon4682]

Genuinely eerie episode that's made extremely hard to swallow by the god awful cheesy ending

[@Jack-Oates]

This episode of Doctor who is the only one that mentions my home city, and insults it.

[@pedroxqui]

Why don't I remember ANYTHING about this?

[@etherraichu]

Its easy to forget that The Doctor is one of the most powerful entities in existence.

[@Sol-Cutta]

The one league gentleman wrote was great tribute to hammer ,/amicus , what was it called ? The purple terror or something. .

[@Billyboi205]

The home teleport lmao I'm dead.

[@tylerherr4288]

actually considering what the angels did to docs last companiens he should of flat out shied away from the statues

[@erubin100]

I gotta be honest...I don't remember ANYTHING about this series at all! As bad as some of the other series were, at least they left an impression on me. I just don't see why you praise this particular one so much!

[@lp-xl9ld]

Maybe it's because I don't care much for these kind of stories, but I didn't like HIDE as much as several of the other 7B episodes. I can, though, appreciate that it's very well done.

[@ianbrewster8934]

I actually like the twist with the monster....nothing was what it seemed....

[@harroldinab]

Season 7B was amazing imo.

[@leoj2439]

Watched this ep live. Proper scared me, loved it

[@PrimeMinisterRetsuko]

The ending absolutely killed this episode for me

[@philipsctba]

i hated Series 7B, but Hide was always the bright spot, awesomely underrated

[@-sk8-437]

i got jumpscared by runescape sound effects not again

[@CashelOConnolly]

#Harbo we’re the same age,I think,I’m 22. Happy belated birthday by the way. If Hide gives you the creeps don’t watch the film The Others 👻👻👻👻👻you’ll never sleep again 😳 *The problem I’ve always had with this episode is the age of the male ghostbuster. he couldn’t have been an active member of the military in World War Two. Let’s say this episode is set 1975,Dougray Scott the actor wasn’t born until 1965,this episode was aired in 2013 making him 47. So how was someone born 20 years after the war ended be a Second World War member of the allies,poor casting imho 💚

[@MorshuGayming]

If the actor was 47 at the time, and the episode takes place in ‘75… he would’ve been born in ‘28, making him a teen in WW2

[@A2ne]

I liked the part where The Doctor said "It's ghost time!" and proceeded to ghost all over everyone

[@DigiRangerScott]

GHOSTBUSTERS!

[@GeneralJigg]

azBANtium, another good video dude, cheers

[@strongraycool44d51]

By far the most underrated episode of all time

[@toti6217]

Faolancortez a real one fr

[@vortexlegend101]

When the time comes, can Harbo just do one big video on the Whittaker/Chibnall era instead of spending months analyzing each episode? I think a lot of us can agree that that era is just crap, and we would much rather skim over it and go to the Gatwa/Davies2 era

[@norwegionaire]

I literally do not remember this episode. At all

[@undying_artv2]

Umm no not everyone is scared of the dark lol. This episode has made me think how do you review episodes do you review them as kid shows or do you review them as however old you are now im curious as you said this episode is very scary and I find that curious

[@cursed_scope8673]

All this did is thurther confirm me feeling old by telling me this came out in 2013

[@rohanumpleby4090]

Watched this episode today lol

[@jmpsthrufyre]

Would you want to be a doctor/ timelord? (The answer is obvious)

[@deutschermichel5807]

I love series 7B

[@mathieuleader8601]

we need more other demension stories

[@Sol-Cutta]

Doctor scooby doo who?

[@Nixus237]

I don’t know if I was a woman and looked like Clara I would also want some selfsecst

[@Sol-Cutta]

Wonder it didn't terrify under 12s

[@Cybermanalf]

As a big fan of Series 7b, you're reviews so far have been very vindicating

[@mattthesilent777RED]

I find this one hard to engage