Doctor Who: The Moonbase - REVIEW - Cybercember

[@MrTARDIS]

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[@lamontabenson4886]

Could You Add closed captions on your videos please?

[@robbycooper6787]

why 8do 8people 8combine 8doctor 8who 8with 8mlp

[@robbycooper6787]

@@dalekinthewater4708 so because polly made coffee once people think oh yes lets combine doctor who with my little pony over 300 times

[@dalekinthewater4708]

So Mr TARDIS, I had the idea of putting the 'Earthshock' chin into the letterbox Moonbase design to show a little more humanity. That was my idea. I still like your eyes idea.

[@doctorgarryderekmccduck8957]

it was not a pandemic, it was a terrorist attack!

[@edwardreed67]

I actually find these just as creepy Cybermen designs as the originals. The more droning and emotionless voice, the way the mouth has a flap to it, opening up every time the cyberman speaks like a prison door, the way the face has no features but is just a blank smooth head, almost head sculpt like. The way the eyes are accentuated by the silver rings etc.

[@bladersmosh]

The Cyberman theme used in this and Tomb is amazing. Absolutely iconic.

[@ftumschk]

Agreed, although it wasn't specially composed for Doctor Who. "Space Adventure 2" was some stock music that already existed in the BBC library. Aside from Moonbase/Tomb, parts of this piece previously appeared in The Tenth Planet.

[@BH-98]

Cybermen seem to fair pretty well when it comes to music, you’ve got this theme, March of the cybermen from earthshock, the series 2 cybermen theme, etc.

[@joelrichardson3761]

It is the definitive cyberman theme

[@ftumschk]

@@joelrichardson3761 ... except this "stock" music was also used for the Yeti.

[@Pulsarnix]

@@ftumschk Yeah, I'm not sure why they did that, it was quite off-putting as I always associate it with the Cybermen

[@Tymbus]

Actually, Polly says that she saw a creature "like a Cyberman" . And the silhouette is broadly the same as the Tenth Planet ones,

[@ishaandw]

The comparison shot he uses makes them look really similar

[@Tymbus]

@@ishaandw Also, Polly is seeing the Cyberman from a different perspective, and for longer, than the viewers.

[@benw4409]

This story is really the first "true" Troughton story. Power was the handover and Highlanders and Underwater Menace were the Hartnell holdovers but Moonbase was the first definitive take on the Second Doctor. He's got his iconic "Some corners of the universe" speech and is sneaky but human, intelligent yet acts like a goofball. And it's the first true blue base under siege that defined the format to the present day. It's rough around the edges but it's a very important story for the show.

[@JAProductions494]

I honestly can’t imagine The Highlanders with any other Doctor besides Troughton! Imagine Hartnell in Drag!

[@lewiskazinsky7334]

@@JAProductions494 I can’t tell if he’d love to or loathe to. The First Doctor has his fair share of silly and goofy moments that Hartnell played with relish, but would drag be too much to ask of such a famously conservative actor?

[@Luke-1296]

For me macra is. It introduced the new title sequence and is truly something new.

[@Eltonlaleham]

These Cybermen are awesome

[@MatthewsStopMotions]

Jamie has so many hilarious lines in this episode “Maybe we’ll meet the man of the moon”

[@bendream544]

Auld man ae the moon

[@ponchoman49]

The end of episodes 2 was very well handled and raised the hair on your back with the way Troughton's Doctor was so convincing and immediately commanded everyone attention in the room with the Cyberman literally right under their noses. An enjoyable serial for sure.

[@gaiar.d.rosendahl8300]

08:55 I feel the urge to mention that this scene is actually completly scientifically sound. Since there is only one atmosphere of pressure difference and closing that hole with anything to seal the difference will work immediately. It's a myth that the pressure is so strong that it would suck you out with great force. Other than that amazing video my dude! :)

[@sk1ppman]

Exactly. Films tend to show things getting spaghettified when there's a minor hull breach. In space you don't get sucked out, you get pushed out by depressurization. The less atmosphere, the less force.

[@badbeardbill9956]

Well 1 atm is near 14 psi, so there’s 14 lbs of load on the piece for every square inch. For that size hole though it would probably work, assuming it’s decently flat as well the pressure actually seals it back or very nearly does.

[@ThanhTriet600]

I was thinking the same thing. Granted, the weather control machine in this episode is completely ridiculous. If it worked the way they were using it to stop the Cybermen, they would all be dead the first time they turned it on... The gravitational field they'd create with it would shatter the glass and send them all out into space without suits. If they want something like this to be realistic, it should just be a satellite that they control from a base far away from it. I can't get mad considering this was made before the moon landing in real life, but I also can't ignore the bad science.

[@PetersonZF]

"Stupid Earth brains," the Cyber Leader giving the Doctor a nice massage in Revenge and, "Ahhh." in Five Doctors are my top three unintentionally hilarious Cyberman moments.

[@DarthAzabrush]

There was a fan theory developed when "The Silurians" came out that these 3 fingered Cybermen were actually Cyber Silurians from Mondas. The reptile brain also explains why they seem to have slightly less emotional control than their squeaky predecessors

[@Eltonlaleham]

Cyber Silurians sounds bizarre and does not make sense at all to me the CYbermen and the Silurians are 2 different enemies

[@DarthAzabrush]

@@Eltonlaleham Makes perfect sense. Mondas is a twin to Earth so it would have its own Silurian population who would be just as keen on surviving in the outer reaches of the solar system as their human counterparts. More so as exotherms they'll be dying quicker.

[@diverguy3556]

In my head canon, the three fingered variety where a different, less "evolved" species of cybermen. Their tech wasn't as advanced , and their cyber conversion process couldn't handle 5 fingers.

[@DarthAzabrush]

@@diverguy3556 That's probably the greatest thing Moffat has contributed to Doctor Who besides Curse of Fatal Death. That Cybermen are a case of paralell evolution on hundreds of different humanoforms not just Tellurians and Mondasians.

[@TheoreticalRain]

Just like with The Tenth Planet, I think you’re underselling the historical importance of this story in terms of the “base under siege” format. While that story was the first of its kind, The Moonbase is the first time they reuse that setup. It may appear today as an average base under siege story but it was really like a mission statement for the Troughton era, especially considering that Innes Lloyd used to it promote a sort of relaunch of the show and the fact that nearly every story in Season 5 and elements of the rest of Season 4 were crafted in the base under siege mold.

[@benw4409]

If I was writing or commissioned someone to write a base under siege I would refer them to The Moonbase as what to do. I'd also do later, better stories but this is a good start.

[@bendream544]

Power of the Daleks is the second base under siege style story surely?

[@TheoreticalRain]

@@bendream544 Not really. It takes place in a “base” (more of a colony) and the Daleks use that to multiply and kill lots of people, but the main conflict is not just the monsters doing a siege on the base. It’s very much about the political tensions of the colony and humans using the Daleks against each other for their own gain. Plus, it takes very little influence from the Tenth Planet and very few later stories try to imitate it. The Moonbase, Tomb of the Cybermen, The Web of Fear, Fury from the Deep, etc. are much more similar to the Tenth Planet than they are to Power of the Daleks.

[@jasonlescalleet5611]

Sort of like how Tolkien can seem like “generic fantasy” because so much generic fantasy is based on Tolkien. Or how the Beatles “sound just like every other band.” It’s interesting how some things just become iconic like that.

[@Zombie9Slayer]

I've noticed that Hobson has a line nearly the same as Cutler in "The Tenth Planet" Jack Hobson- "I don't know who you are, what you are or where you come from" General Cutler- "I don't know who you are or what you are, but we've got two men in space..."

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

The Macra do exist! They do! Ah, I see what you did there!

[@badwolf66]

I noticed even though The Cybermen were armoured up they still used some of their original human(oid) vocabulary like the word "Stupid" and "Clever". As The CyberLeader said "It is a word like any other, as is destruction! Which is what we are going to do to that planet!"

[@bladersmosh]

Still hoping for more Cyber-Steve and Cyber-Jeff sketches. Big opportunity to incorporate them in Cybercember.

[@MrTARDIS]

You won't be disappointed :)

[@bladersmosh]

@@MrTARDIS I’m rather looking forward to it. Thanks.

[@adampoll4977]

Funnily enough, science-wise the coffee tray would seal the breach okay, as it's only dealing with one atmosphere of pressure, which is equal to 10 metres underwater.

[@captainrexofthe501st9]

16:04 oh shit they got him

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Favourite quote of the day.. "There are some corners in the universe which embed the most terrible things!"

[@silverdaleks1]

I too like the synthesized voices of the cybermen in this story. Wish they used that kind of voice for Modern cybermen. Also I too tilt my head at that coffee tray being able to seal the hole in the base wall. Plus from what I heard this was the first episode to have a actual laser beam effect which was used for that large cannon the cybermen use on the base.

[@ftumschk]

"No one in the colony believes in Macra! There is no such thing as Macra! Macra do not exist!" (from The Macra Terror)

[@xedalpha1]

One of the best cliffhangers of the whole show when the Dr comes to the dawning realisation that the only place a cybermen could be hiding was in the room with them. The LOOK on Pat Troughton's face...

[@tmr4342]

Hey, if anyone can knock themselves out on the moon, It's Jamie. Just go with it, lol.

[@DomoftheDoctor]

I wonder - is Sherlock falsely assuming that people are being drugged via the sugar in "The Hounds of Baskerville" a reference to this story? Wouldn't put it past Gatiss to make that deep of a cut.

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

What I like about the Cybermen in this story and the next, is that they take a more stealth approach rather than all guns blazing like in The Tenth Planet and makes their presence even more scary when we do see them.

[@mrdoctorgilmore]

I would argue that this is the best starting point to introduce the second Doctor to a newcomer, Cybermen and Base Undersiege. By this point Troughton had settled into his version of the Doctor, while it doesn't show much of his relationship with Jamie, there is the moment where he talks about the significance of Jamie's beliefs.

[@the_alex_ellis_channel6923]

Regardless of the criticisms, The Moonbase remains one of all time personal favourite Doctor Who Stories. I also think the voice of the Cybermen was better here than in the Tomb of the Cybermen where they changed the pitch.

[@scaleproductions711]

I wonder if that "stupid Earth brains" comment is going to become a meme on this channel (if not, just Cybercember).

[@maldon3659]

Right up there with "there is logic in what he says"

[@DalekTheSupreme]

Only stupid Earth brains like ours would be amused.

[@NitroIndigo]

I'm hoping it'll be this year's equivalent of the Dalek school running gag.

[@markwardel6751]

The really creepy thing about this story for me is the hospital room with the bodies lying under sheets and that creepy constant 'breathing rythm' noise in the background. The animation of this is also streets ahead of the sub Scooby Doo level work in the 'Power Of The Daleks' and 'Fury From The Deep'

[@crimsondynamo615]

Fury’s animation disappoints me because we lose that scary visual of the two men breathing that gas on that woman. That face is so uncanny.

[@TheMarioAdams]

The cybermen world building regarding tales of a hundred years ago that frightened children is also fitting with events such as Army of Ghosts and Death in Heaven. This story takes place after all of those events

[@logon900]

One of my favorite stories from season 4 of classic who.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

One more little fact, I'm sorry if I make more comments I just like to share facts to you lot.. John Levene 'Who's best known as Sergeant Benton' actually played a Cybermen in this story although his name isn't featured in the end credits, He later appeared again as a Yeti in The Web of Fear 1968 and 'of course' Corporal Benton in The Invasion in the same year, This is before John's character got promoted as Sergeant.

[@bendream544]

Also Victor Pemberton who wrote Fury From The Deep plays one of the Moonbase crew.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

@@bendream544 And Story Editor for Tomb of the Cybermen.

[@lewiskazinsky7334]

He’s way better playing an actual character. That man oozes charisma despite having relatively little screen time.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

@@lewiskazinsky7334 Which Cybermen story are you referring too?

[@lewiskazinsky7334]

@@SegaNintendoGuy64 Oh, I’m just referring to his role as Benton in general. He’s easily the most underrated UNIT player.

[@crimsondynamo615]

Seeing a cyberman slowly stalking its prey while Monty Python music playing over it is so hilarious

[@JedAnimationStudios]

I feel maybe if they kept the flesh hands and seeing the eyes behind the slots would have kept the body horror element in line. I love the voices also.

[@theentity5201]

15:49 lead cyberman waking up first thing in the morning, ohhh it's a wonderful day! I feel like stretching!, you know what all conversions are outside today! LMAO😂

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Next Time: Time to enter their resting place inside their tombs in their second planet Telos, And a controller who's as big as a normal human, The Tomb of the Cybermen.. Be prepared to belong to them, We shall be like them!

[@McEdam]

That mighty pythons sketch bit cracked me up!!!!

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Actually it's 'Monty.'

[@McEdam]

@@SegaNintendoGuy64 BHAHAHA Thank you for pointing that out 😅😅😅

[@spluff5]

I also really like that moment where Lolly figure out how to use the solvents to destroy the cyberman's chest units.

[@averagecitizen2263]

10:08 we’ll READY to READEEE (nuclear explosion)

[@russelltietjen4407]

Didn't they also introduce the idea of the chemicals in nail varnish and hairspray to dissolve the Cybermen's plastic parts in this one?

[@jasonlescalleet5611]

The Cyberman voices sound like those artificial voiceboxes you sometimes hear being used by people in anti-smoking ads. Or rather, the people in anti-smoking ads sound like Cybermen, or at least they do to me. Probably one reason those ads creep me out. And maybe even one reason I don’t smoke. Don’t want to become a Cyberman. Also: today I learned that the spell checker on an iPad knows about Cybermen. I guess it was programmed by a Doctor Who fan...

[@ftumschk]

The Cyberman voices in this, and some other Troughton stories, were indeed made using such artificial voiceboxes.

[@samuelbarber6177]

Kit Pedler was caught off-guard by Jamie’s inclusion, so instead of altering his story, he just writes him into to being hospitalised.

[@OblivionWalkerVerified]

That is true that this is the only episode in doctor who history where the doctor talks to his monologue

[@TANG3RINE95]

The intro is 10/10! Same for Dalekcember.

[@supertna9154]

The Cybermen voices in the Moonbase and Tomb of the Cybermen Design really suit the Cybermen rather than the terminator voices that are heard in 2013's design and sounds better than its predecessor too.

[@hughgurney8686]

No commentary on the music for the march of the Cybermen. It's one of the highlights in my opinion.

[@DCSMedia]

Once again, brilliant video. This is a brilliant story. It’s really claustrophobic and creepy. The cybermen are really good and Troughton is great. Overall a 9/10

[@indie3892]

I'm not 100% sure but I do think the tray think is at least somewhat scientifically accurate, all you would need to stop a leak like that is something big enough to cover the hole

[@Scorpshee]

10:03 to 10:13 It sound like the man said “you’ll never get in this base”, and the CyberLeader replied “WE ARE IN IT ALREADY” as they’re breaking in, which is a terrifying response.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Some facts that I like to share, Firstly I love the Cybermen voice in The Moonbase and huge props again to late actor Peter Hawkins, Plus the voice change they use works for them and only remains until The Wheel in Space but I'll talk more on that in Day 4.

[@sebastiangreenan1774]

Well I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought of Monty Python And The Holy Grail. Also you forgot the other defining Second Doctor line in Patrick Troughton line flub, talking about the. "Sexual air supply."

[@samuelbrooks1533]

The Monty Python sketch sequence SECURED the like on this video!

[@Pulsarnix]

I'm sure you'll already know this, but their reason for attacking the moonbase is explained in Tomb of the Cybermen

[@bendream544]

Yeah they want supplies

[@UnchainedAmerica]

Cyberman have one of the best theme music of all time... I love the symphony drum scores for the Cyberman. It is still in use today.

[@josephryan362]

I love the moonbase it is a great Patrick Troughton doctor who story

[@DalekTheSupreme]

I have not seen any episode of The Moonbase in years. I think I had one of the VHS tapes that had a reconstruction involving narration over stills from the missing episodes. I remember liking it a lot, but maybe that's just because only stupid Earth brains like mine would have been fooled.

[@SegaNintendoGuy64]

Out of all the Cybermen costumes used in the 60's these are my second favourite ones, What was my all time favourite ones in the 60's? Well more on that in day 5.

[@thedestiny326]

“The music is lit to gather like a multi pitheon sketch”I mean the patients called them pitheon

[@lindagoad2163]

Funny story, that internal monologue was my first realisation that ASMR existed. I used to listen to it on repeat to put myself to sleep. That was a good 7 or 8 years ago and now ASMR is bloody everywhere.

[@sk1ppman]

The tea tray would work just fine. Normal earth atmosphere is about 15 psi. Depending on the material used 1/8" plastic would probably hold 100psi or more just fine. You're being pushed out with whatever the atmospheric pressure is, not pulled out by suction. The show The Expanse showcases depressurization wonderfully. You're not being sucked into a black hole or anything.

[@dawnfinch8232]

They frightened the life out of me as a kid in the 60s 🤣

[@MatthewsStopMotions]

I get so much nostalgia from this episode man

[@lastthoughts8545]

Great stuff! So glad you're continuing this format

[@Eltonlaleham]

I like the Cybermen in this story and IMO the 60s Cybermen stories are billions of times better than the colour Cybermen stories

[@HeyItsCharles]

2nd doctor had some of the best cybermen stories apart from 12ths ending.

[@Apogee02UK]

To answer your question of 'how did Jamie hit his head hard enough' in the low moon gravity, it wouldn't be a question of gravity or weight but one of mass. Jamie would have the same mass as he would on Earth. Apollo astronauts learned this when they attempted to see just how high they could jump during moonwalks. Charlie Duke tells the story of his own dealings with height and mass on the moon and he was sure not to repeat the experiment.

[@bobo577]

3:52 In fairness there are differences as you say but they are similar enough that Polly is able to put two and two together.

[@Zombie9Slayer]

Ah, at 11.51, I just noticed that actor is the same person who plays the captain in "The War Machines", also same I can't remember any of the characters names apart from Jack Hobson

[@bendream544]

He is also in the The Green Death as Fell his name being John Rolfe.Plus Alan Rowe who plays the Base medical man is the King Edward of Wessex in the Time Warrior,Skinsale in Horror of Fang Rock and Garif in Full Circle.

[@rngwrldngnr]

9:00 I think the main issue with the decompression is that a whole that big would release all the air in the base far to quickly and violently to react to. Also, the tea tray not having a perfect fit to irregularities of the tray and window, so there'd be cracks the air could escape from.

[@jdzencelowcz]

I did like how accurate the space suits were, albeit too thin & fragile to B actual protection, they did have the parts you'd need.

[@bobp6742]

I remember this episode so well, I was 6 when this was aired and the part where the cybermen were seen bouncing across the moon in slow motion with that creepy music scared the living crap out of me so much its remained embedded in my memory all these years 🥺 As far as I'm concerned Troughton was the best of the early doctors

[@Eltonlaleham]

I like the Cybermen in this story and the Tomb of the Cybermen in billions of ways

[@oliverdallasmedia]

09:33 - I haven’t watched The Moonbase in a long time, so I might be misremembering, but I'm pretty certain that the Doctor does something to the gravitron so it deflects the Cybermen's lasers after their first attack.

[@benbastianiartmusic1421]

15:05 when your Mum shouts for you to get up on a Monday morning for the fifth time

[@theultimateomelette]

Cant wait for the rest of the series, keep up the good work

[@MrThorfan64]

Stupid Earth brains... brilliant. Yeh does have some great lines. And some rather silly bits, like that chase scene. I recall novelisation, called Doctor Who and the Cybermen, saying Cybermen substituted emotions by wanting power, so decide to conquer worlds. And of course base under siege can feel a bit... well reminiscent of coronavirus now. Especially as there is a plague here. Sure it's similar, down to having an international team at the base. But it shows the visions of the future and some good worldbuilding. Though still have knighthoods in 2070? Well, anyway, good second review for Cybercember.

[@Dray1]

Can't wait to see your newer review of the Tomb of the Cybermen. Maybe somethings changed

[@Elsinlock]

I'm going to use "Stupid earth brain" as a insult from now on.

[@hughgurney8686]

16:33 are the Cybermen getting ready to do the All Blacks haka?

[@jaidanielparker]

I so want to hear The Doctor talk to his internal monologue again sometime. Heaven Sent did the amazing Storm Room sequences but something more subtle dropped into an episode would be a real treat.

[@ZoomerUnion]

Amy's Choice?

[@jaidanielparker]

@@ZoomerUnion I need a rewatch, can't remember the monologue scene from that episode. Thanks for the tip! :)

[@ZoomerUnion]

@@jaidanielparker well it's not quite a monologue but the Dream Lord is sort of a representation of his inner self loathing problems

[@Enzo012]

The Doctor doing a bit of a 1984 Dune there.

[@JetpacktheSpartan404]

That cyberman be T-posing

[@Sigma10-c1k]

When we were kids we thought the cibermen were the ultimate end horror of black and white minstrels craze that were already creepy as fuck to us and quite disturbing.

[@doctorwhat3683]

Wait, just thinking... will you be reviewing Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday again? Obviously you did it just last year in Dalekcember.

[@MrTARDIS]

I will be skipping that two-parter :)

[@MelloraFraggle]

*guard gets stabbed* Other guard: ... Hey..

[@Departures1]

Cyberman attack Moonbase Alpha. Would be regarded much higher if we had all four parts in existence. Why didnt nobody notice the boots before at the end of part 2? Wasnt anyone checking up on the patients?

[@ourreg]

did anybody notice at 16.27 one of the cybermen on the extreme lefthand side starts to fall over.....!

[@flutterflyer849]

Ironic how the scientific advisor's scripts have bigger leaps in logic than a good amount of other episodes, lol.

[@ftumschk]

Kit Pedler was medically qualified, but he wasn't what I'd call a "hard scientist". The fact that he was also sympathetic to parapsychology and other fringe science should give us an idea of what we're up against!

[@flutterflyer849]

@@ftumschk I didn't actually know that thanks. That all makes a lot more sense now, lol.

[@ftumschk]

@@nickbrough8335 It would almost certainly have been edited, but that wouldn't explain the inclusion of dumb pseudo-scientific plot-points like intelligent creatures being afraid of gravity.

[@ftumschk]

@@nickbrough8335 It's specifically gravity, plain old gravity. If mere humans can tolerate being close to whatever the Gravitron gives off (albeit only if wearing a shower-cap), then I don't see why a Cyberman should be afraid of it. Don't get me wrong, I actually like The Moonbase a lot, but its science is decidedly of the "pseudo" variety.

[@ftumschk]

@@nickbrough8335 Indeed, although I see that as more of an inconsistency in the writing. It's pretty certain that the Cybermen are meant to be afraid of gravity, otherwise the Doctor's coming to that conclusion would have been rather pointless. And, it is actually gravity (or, perhaps more accurately, anti-gravity) that wins the day, when they turn the Gravitron on the Cybermen to defeat them in episode 4.

[@johngurnhill8743]

Ohhh now Im in the mood to watch some classic who

[@meganvincent5381]

The doctor talking to himself felt like weird asmr lol

[@lordslaar4808]

Unfortunately, Polly's stronger moments are all lost. I heard the audio of The Highlanders story and Polly is very strong and decisive. I used to make jokes about how Polly was the one companion that is a "make coffee" victim of sexism people that never watch the show accuse all female companions of being, but it is not as true in some of her missing stories.

[@oliverstreet430]

Love your content

[@KillerMeme]

I dunno but I always kinda liked the sugar being tainted element for some reason

[@thomasstevens2746]

One of my favorite Patrick story's

[@nathantew946]

15:06 wobbly bed! Did they film this at a travel lodge?

[@Perchpole]

How do the Cybermen tie their bootlaces with those hands?!

[@NitroIndigo]

I've missed your snark from Dalekcember.

[@highvoltage7797]

I don’t know to me this is an excellent story.

[@skeeter2420]

Keep up the great work.

[@Cyberleader672]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but was saying the macra don't exist a reference to something

[@MrTARDIS]

It's a reference to 'The Macra Terror' :)

[@Cyberleader672]

@@MrTARDIS I think I need to change my name now

[@MrTARDIS]

@@Cyberleader672 to be fair, it's a lost story from the 1960s. You are forgiven for not knowing all :)

[@tommaullin1197]

I think the moonbase is probably one of my least favourite for the cybermen - still good though you going to review the bbci realtime, torchwoods cyberwoman and/or bbvs cyberon?

[@samedwards8562]

Doesn’t not being able to tell they were once human make it more terrifying? Also I personally feel the voices are hard to make out.