Documentary : The Lost Rubens portrait of the Duke of Buckingham

[@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849]

Unfortunately, comments are being monitored on this video now due to the amount of negative comments directed at the female presenter. All other comments will be approved but many of the comments were personal opinions and derogatory remarks about her as a person, appearance and as a presenter that weren't relevant to the documentary or artwork. I hate to make this decision as personal opinion and discussion are pivotal to sharing information and ideas but the comments were much too personal.

[@mscott3918]

Quite right. The Internet gives too many people with 'issues' a forum to share their viciousness.

[@ivorytower99]

The only comment I would make to contribute to this documentary, is that I wished Bendor Grosvnor be the only presenter, as he is enrapturing.

[@OfflineSetup]

Thank you for showing a responsibility (which most people would shirk) and common decency.

[@Elhastezy888]

I second that Zendal . . . . you worded it perfectly. Thank you Whitehall Moll

[@srdahl]

I sympathize but she doesn't add much more than a bright smile...

[@petercastles5978]

Bendor is just great. He cruises along. A very astute judge of his trade. I love the presence he brings to the screen.

[@JamieTransNyc]

One thing I cannot help but feel after watching these type of shows: Nobody gave a scot about these paintings till someone proves them to be by a famous artist. Then suddenly everyone loves them. Did *none* of these people have any appreciation of the quality of the paintings before? Should not a great painting be loved because it is great and obviously displays a tremendous talent? The painting is no better nor wose than the moment before the name "Reubens" was attached to it, yet suddenly we all exclaim "ooooh". Are we all just "sheeple" who follow the voice of the "experts" and love what they instruct us to love?

[@tothelighthouse9843]

The Glasgow museum crowd's reaction at the end is so endearing, lol. They audibly gasp just seeing the painting cleaned & looking lovely again, let alone the way they all marvel to learn it is indeed a Rubens. Wonderful.

[@daygon128]

Bendor is a beast. He needs his own channel.

[@TheSuzberry]

This is from a series of programs called Art Detectives. And this guy has an amazing eye for overlooked pictures.

[@clockwork9827]

Thankyou for supplying that info.

[@terrimorrison2857]

Would like to second that Thank You!!! I would be very interested in watching the series.

[@abuelitacaicedo3185]

Terri Morrison it is an awesome series!

[@juliusbrom]

Yeahh this also worked on fake or fortune

[@Fangs4DaMemories]

I so love this show. I wish there were more seasons.

[@TheAmalieGirl]

Interesting, the people who are speaking about free speech, and censorship are probably not on the receiving end of derogatory statements on a regular basis. Unfortunately Ms. Dabiri is aware of the "trolls" online and stated she is used to it, as she has experienced it all her life, which harkens back to my previous statement. Its sad no matter how accomplished a woman of color becomes there will always be individuals that seek to reduce her with derogatory statements. Thank you, for posting this episode, I love this series.

[@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849]

People do have freedom of speech to say whatever they like in my pending comment section. But I don’t condone racism or derogatory sexual remarks/advocating rape. I don’t think a person’s freedoms matter more than the impact of their words and I do question why someone would be so upset at not getting to spew hate. Surely they have better things to do?

[@chemokiki]

@@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849 IMO I believe the haters do NOT have better things to do. I am always saddened to see or read of a personal attack and the fact that the victim (in this case) says she is quite used to it only saddens me more.

[@elizabethsloan3192]

I love this program. I keep thinking of The Three Musketeers, and the reference to La Rochelle and Villiers.

[@jayl.6960]

Wow! Kudos to BBC for this documentary and Bendor Grosvenor for the research of this particular work of art.

[@ellenthompson4441]

What a pleasure to be able to listen and learn from an expert with a gift for imparting his knowledge.

[@rosered103]

How wonderful that a Rubens has been found!:) I have always loved this type of documentary. thank you Whitehall Moll Documentaries for bringing this program here for us historian armchair art sleuths to watch.

[@2Sugarbears]

I found this a wonderful way to spend 37 minutes and the lovely presenter was very knowledgeable. As my mother would say of the negative comments.."Some peoples kids, you can't dress them up and you can't take them out!" Please do more of the same.

[@michaelbyrd7883]

Bendor is a great art historian and sleuth I love him in Fake or Fortune. The Equestrian Duke is in the KImbel in Ft. Worth. I live close by and get to view it often it is a magnificient painting. Rueben's was just an incredibly gifted and skilled artist.

[@jasontemlett]

Bendor should totally host his own art sleuth programme!

[@MrSludov]

The "catholic"princess the documentary barely mentions was, in fact, Felipe's iV of Spain sister, Infanta María. The Prince of Wales and the Duke of Buckingham stayed for a six months visit at court in Madrid in 1623 to negotiate the marriage, being honoured as royal hosts in some of the most extravagant and lavish feasts, dances, hunting days, theater and zarzuela plays the court had ever seen. Rubens was at the moment at service of his king, Felipe, in Madrid. This is probably the moment in which Rubens portrayed the duke.

[@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849]

There is very sweet accounts of Charles very ardently trying to court her and her being very demure in response given her religious upbringing. Also when they were in Spain that's when Charles started to build his art collection by being in mainland Europe and brought back some amazing pieces. His artwork collection would be really quite impressive and his time in spain certainly made a big impact on his view of what a court should be in terms of culture.

[@bekindtoyourmother]

Subject matter - quite interesting, very informative. Overall structure of the programme - quite good. Talent and skill of presenters - excellent. But Mr Grosvenor is, stand alone, brilliant. A sheer joy to watch.

[@billyb37]

Love this guy ,hes so clever and delivers the programme on art in laymans terms. Loved the history part to. Please can we have more.

[@HaploBartow]

If you like him, check out Fake or Fortune by the BBC - he was the head of research for that team for several seasons.

[@boojay111]

His name is Bendor Grosvenor, a very talented perceptive man, love his knowledge and his passion, love the programme and wish there were more but the time it takes presumably leaves us with a few treasured moments.

[@dlschgo]

More importantly, he has met Fiona Bruce.

[@parkviewmo]

Fascinating and I learned so much about Rubens, restoration, and the Duke of Buckingham.

[@rosered103]

@Gary Allen Thank you for adding your historic knowledge to this documentary. Any others hiding up your sleeve?

[@monkeytennis8861]

This wasn't about the Restoration

[@jamgart6880]

I absolutely love this show! I’ve seen them all but wish there were so many more ♥️

[@mangot589]

This is probably the best painting I’ve seen of Buckingham. NOW I can see😉. Haven’t read them, but unfortunate about negative comments. They both know the answers, but a lot of docs follow this format, where presenters ask questions so the uninformed can go along. That’s what docs are FOR. The informed already KNOW.🙄, or can enjoy the new information.

[@djalice]

This is my favourite so far as I love Rubens and have had an interest in the 1st & 2nd Dukes of Buckingham ever since I had a 4 night stay in Cliveden, the second Duke's estate which is now a Hotel. Loving this series and looking forward to more.

[@dees9502]

What possible negative comments could be made against that wonderful lady? Truly absurd. Nonetheless, bravo for deleting them and bravo for a great presentation 🙏

[@ClaudyArfaras]

So intriguing and scientific with a gay lover twist to boot... I loved the story and can believe the final analysis and determination with confidence because of the expertise of all those involved... Excellent documentary of one of the world's greatest of artists, Ruben... Thank you.

[@athelas5305]

What convinces me is the expression on the man in cleaned portrait. What a saucy expression. He still lives for us.

[@dennisgannon]

I love the restoration part, the cleaning of the painting, it really shows the original. Great vid, well done. The x ray tests, the age of the wood, the corrections on the original vs the non corrections on the copy really nail the case. Case closed, verdict in, IT"S A RUBENS!!!

[@iamdihan]

You would love Baumgartner Restoration videos on youtube

[@scarletpimpernelagain9124]

And Fake or Fortune, made by the BBC but apparently bought by Netflix, it might still be on there. Bendor is the art expert on there. The shows are all about uncovering lost masterpieces like this one.

[@ej3016]

Northern Light this is from Britain’s Lost Masterpiecs not Fake or Fortune

[@monellerichmond7208]

@@iamdihan Thanks for this!

[@monellerichmond7208]

@@iamdihan Thanks for this!

[@lindaross783]

As a girl watching the Three Musketeers with Michael York I fell madly in love with the Duke of Buckingham romancing Queen Anne of France (Louis XIV's mother). Simon Ward played George Villiers. Gorgeous rake and a nice palace too. Beautiful painting.

[@DursunX]

this show is like my favorite Fake or Fortune.. thanks for uploading 👍

[@Lemma01]

I have a problem with FoF personally - it's seems too much about the 'jeopardy'...

[@impunitythebagpuss]

One of my all time favourite shows on Netflix...love the art history detective work! Modern technology can reveal so much now without damage to priceless art work!

[@billie-jobenway8658]

Lemma01 I can understand why you say this completely, having binge-watched every episode back to back myself. It makes patterns extremely hard to miss and this is a glaringly obvious one. However, the 'jeopardy' they speak of is a real, and in the art world, a frightening thing. It's about loss of reputation, which in the art world, has devastating possibilities that affect so much more than personal pride. If you lose your standing, everything you presented a professional opinion on in the past can, and often often, will, be put into question and often will have to be scrutinized again. It means works of art that passed as legitimate and hang in pride of place in the finest of museums and art collector's homes and vaults could suddenly find themselves losing monetary value as investments and for insurance purposes in the event of damage or theft. It also means fine works of art will lose their standing in museums and end up relegated back to the basement, as this painting had been. It also means a possible end to your career. So, in fact, the more of an expert you are the more you have to lose, therefore the 'jeopardy' issue showing up so often. There is genuine fear and it's palpable. The male presenter has the least to lose of them all and even he has reason to fear. If his lesser expertise is called into question, good luck pulling in the proper experts to even take a look. That's why it's so incredibly hard to get en expert to give an opinion and can put some experts in a situation where it is less risky to refute the legitimacy of a painting than to actually confirm it.

[@hazelwood-wi9sk]

So pleased I found this video! I think perhaps that the bar/café was a poor choice of location for an interview. The background noise overwhelms the conversation. Thank you for posting this.

[@cecilefox9136]

Very rowdy people there it didn´t seem apprpriate at all!

[@djalice]

I was going to mention that. as well. They should have used St. Stephen's Tavern around the corner as it is gorgeous and quite Baroque.

[@brianneale2006]

The Art detectives was a very good programme. And the art expert is very easy to follow as he talks

[@dodgedabullet670]

Beautiful portrait! Love seeing how they store the paintings too!

[@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849]

oh yes! most galleries and museums can arrange for visitors to see things in storage so it's something you absolutely can go and see

[@bookmouse2719]

Ah Rubens...I always loved his paintings and this is fascinating watching them find out (or not) if it really is a Rubens.

[@acueto7]

I love Rubens work, I have a number of his copied work in my house and guests never walk past without stopping and staring. Truly a master of his craft.

[@markallen3293]

How Fascinating, Thank You Whitehall Moll Documentaries.

[@mindakahn9964]

It is unbelievable that in this day the production company couldn’t get rid of the background noise in an important interview. My husband builds websites. He does it everyday from his office. Plane flys over head, gone on tape.

[@benediktmorak4409]

so many nice pictures. and all hidden away in storage...

[@girlnorthof60]

Fabulous detective work and presentation by all involved. Well done!

[@baskervillebee6097]

Fascinating investigation. The little copy of the equestrian painting used to be local. Have seen it many times. Very glad to see another Reuben's of Buckingham.

[@crystalheart9]

I love these beautiful old portraits.

[@jeffhreid]

That is an amazing portrait. Painting a likeness in oils is one of the most challenging tasks in art.

[@vickinoeske1711]

Thank you for this documentary, it is wonderful. Well done.

[@MarcusSorfossmo]

Wonderful documentary. Keep up the good work!

[@Chr.U.Cas2216]

WOW! Simply fantastic! What a great find and story. Also a extremely well done restoration and search. Congrats! Thank you so much for detecting, taping editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health to all involved people.

[@SuperMurrman]

Rubin is one of many favorites. Art history had to be the best course taken at university.

[@itsnotrightyouknow]

What a brilliant upload, I am so happy, I love English history, and seeing a painting repaired, and also being told the story of the man in the painting, as well as his house, nice gaff that is. Yet a sad thing that so many paintings are hidden away in storage because there is no where to show them, thousands of paintings that along with thousands of people I will never be able to see. All that history not on show, so thank you for this moment to see.

[@dduif2119]

I love this so much ! more Bendoooooorrrr

[@MicaRayan]

10:14... quote: 'a number of male lovelies' I love how people back then watered down the expression everytime they wrote on diaries 🤗

[@coopsevy5664]

Oh I agree, just to hear the journals is hands down better then a historical love romance. What a treat it would be to read that book. I love that there is diversity today and back when. Cheers!

[@rednails4]

Thank you for the upload!

[@Mitchell7]

I too agree this current host was a negative when trying to enjoy this program. PLEASE do not have her destroy the next program. Thank You.

[@the-chillian]

12:40 - The position of cupbearer is also a clue to their relationship. It's the position the infatuated Zeus assigned to Ganymede after he carried him off to Mt. Olympus. Anyone at the time with a thorough education in the classics would have known that.

[@MrPrentissDJones]

Thanks for sharing, I think I’m becoming an art lover!

[@xoxomeg2129]

Starting to get addicted myself!

[@noraaguirre-reyesportraita6836]

As an artist myself, I know that detail found in a finished painting does not always match 100% with a preliminary drawing. I mention this because of the presenter's observation in the subject's hair.

[@Chr.U.Cas2216]

Dear Whitehall Moll D. 👍👌👏 Oh WOW, simply fantastic! This is better than a good TV thriller. So glad that it turned out to be a Rubens. Bendor Grosvenor did extremely well. Congrats! Thanks a lot for making teaching recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health. Postscriptum: Please don't get me wrong.but I'm not ashamed to admit that I would rather want such a gorgeous woman like the Lady wirh the red dress than this Rubens respectively even any Rubens. 😳

[@Glee73]

im so glad to come across this documentary, fantastic amount of work and very well presented by all involved.

[@RedcoatsReturn]

Fascinating story. Thanks for posting 😊

[@Wally943]

Fascinating! Well presented and knowledgeable. Learned a lot of history as well.

[@timujin02]

Absolutely fascinating!!! Bravo!

[@chrisedwards3866]

This is a great video, but at 20:00 I wonder who managed to mess up the audio as much as they did. It's like they left the microphones in a completely different room, maybe even in the kitchen. The host and interviewee are the quietest people in the audio.

[@michaelstaadt8012]

Rubens was Born in Siegen Dillenburg, Germany. He died in Antwerp.

[@benwilson6145]

Germany didn't exist until the 19th century, Holy Roman Empire

[@johnpaulthornton419]

Excellent shows! The producers did a brilliant job.

[@gammelbold8332]

always intersting to watch a documentary about lost art. love to watch it. :-)

[@billyb37]

Also loved his program on charles stuart

[@anlerden4851]

I love Peter Paul Rubens so much.😊😇🥰

[@williammurray8060]

I think she is beautiful and charming

[@susprime7018]

"A RATHER SWEATY MOMENT," nice turn of phrase. Fascinating stuff.

[@americanpro6980]

this series is so well produced and researched that it has the potential to save civilization ...

[@mnbalfour1985]

The Ramsay Centre and the University of Wollongong (UOW) are going to offer a "Bachelor of Arts in Western Civilization" degree program at UOW (funded by a bequest from the late Paul Ramsay): www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-17/ramsay-centre-degree-to-go-ahead-at-wollongong/10625668, media.uow.edu.au/releases/UOW254589.html

[@Cate7451]

Good. Yeah! Save civilization!

[@mscott3918]

The arts in general perhaps.

[@JORIS1234HOTMAIL]

Even more exciting then an episode of Sherlock Holmes 🤗 a real Rubens 🥰

[@KerryRussellRN]

We need more Bendor documentaries!

[@earlycuyler9729]

17:27-17:45 I found it surprising to see leather-covered "bean bag" chairs in this grand room. Although I imagine they allow for comfortable viewing of the ceiling artwork, they just don't seem to fit the room's overall decor.

[@cynthiareid8119]

I’ve been to the Banqueting House and happily spent about an hour in one of those bean bags. Given the scale of the ceiling, laying on the floor is the only way to take it all in. They are a real gift and aren’t really that visually distracting. The ceiling is amazing and dominates the room.

[@theeaselrider4032]

It's very difficult to find episodes of the program here in Canada, so it's nice to come across one. Although to be honest, it sounds like the video is ever so slightly sped up, compared to what I've seen before.

[@tiggers84]

Wow ! I'm distantly related to him! George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham is your 6th cousin 13 times removed. Cool. Great video!

[@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849]

That's really cool! He's a really interesting figure as a very successful social climber. His downfall highlights just how successful and therefore how hated he was.

[@monkeytennis8861]

😅😅

[@jacksugden8190]

Brilliantly achieved documentary 👌

[@let_uslunch8884]

I enjoyed this. Who doesn't like a good mystery? I will have to look to see if the other two portraits have been sorted.

[@trojanette8345]

Q: When conservators talk about 'cleaning' a portrait what kind of solution and / or chemicals is the conservator actually using?

[@k.s.k.7721]

The precise solutionss depend on what materials were used to originally create the painting, and what type of early restorations may have been done over the centuries - there could be several of those, as well as re-sizing the canvas for different frames, and damage due to smoke, mold or sunshine. The restorer will determine exactly what materials were used over the original paint, and may have to use various chemicals to remove the old varnish layers, as well as previous restoration efforts, without damaging the original paint. A painting from Europe in the 1300's will have different needs from one painted in the US in the 1800's, and each must be understood to complete a safe restoration.

[@trojanette8345]

@@k.s.k.7721 Interesting..........very interesting. I always like learning about art, world and architectural history. Thank you for the lesson as well.

[@TheSuzberry]

Check out Baumgartens (not sure I spelled that correctly) Restorations. He has filmed some of his work and discusses how cleaning solutions are chosen and tested.

[@maxb4074]

Good show but probably would be better with only one host instead of two.

[@michaelburgess9707]

Goodness I thought I had knowledge of most of the larger British country houses. I'd never heard of Apethorpe Palace. It, and George Villiers are beautiful.

[@onefeather2]

Look at all the awesome paintings that people will never see.

[@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849]

Most galleries let people see pieces off display. You just have to request to see them. Additionally those in storage are the ones that are toured abroad or are displayed when they rotate the collection for a short term exhibition.

[@araunapalm]

My maiden name was De Villiers and I am well aware that my forefather comes from La Rochelle, so I found this fascinating........

[@monkeytennis8861]

Otherwise, you wouldn't have??

[@virgiljjacas3955]

Dr. Bandor is an excellent researcher.

[@scarletpimpernelagain9124]

Virgil J Jacas And he has a lovely way of presenting his knowledge to make it accessible to everyone. Love Bendor

[@tinamccann8968]

Great discovery and seeing the process of it all --- enjoyed that greatly. The only irritating element is the snide remarks about the monarchy (Charles I being an insignificant little man and because Rubens pay was more than a peasant --- no wonder there was a revolution) The presenter/writer reveals a biased view of faulty thinking probably coming from the historical indoctrination he received at university.

[@scarletpimpernelagain9124]

In the worlds first Parliamentary Democracy Charles I believed in the Divine Right of Kings, that he was ordained by God to rule and his rule should be absolute. To make matters worse he was married to a devout Catholic a Protestant country that had endured the reign of Bloody Mary who had burned Protestant for heresy before she died and was replaced by Elizabeth I who secured the country for Protestantism. Charles utter refusal to compromise and his stubborn insistence on the Divine Right of Kings led to the English civil war that basically tore the country apart. For these reasons Charles I is despised by many English people, his self reverence and stubbornness led to the deaths of thousands of us. As a university graduate myself I can attest to the insistence of thinking for oneself and for the insistence on, and pursuance of independent research. Such ‘indoctrination’ you state is difficult to do under an educational system like this and it’s incredibly unlikely that Bendor would be thus swayed. He has a Doctorate in Art History from Cambridge University and since graduating has worked as an art dealer, writer and researcher. He is famous for uncovering numerous important lost works of art and I daresay has rather more expertise than you in this field. It’s unfortunate that you found the comments ‘snide’ they were delivered with a healthy dose of British irony which can, unfortunately go straight over the heads of those not used to it and sometimes go straight over the heads of the denser among us who are. Democracy, it’s great that I live in one that allows me to say this and allows those who dislike the British monarchy to say so, in public and still live in peace. When Parliament fought Charles I, this is exactly what they were fighting for.

[@pilierofq]

Hate rears its ugly head? I love this show and she is a welcome addition to it!

[@ivansilver2252]

fascinating

[@Fionabelle]

Hello, do you know where I might be able to watch this episode with the sections it had about Edward Stirling included please?

[@tradcatholic]

Irritating noise from next room during interview of Rubens expert.

[@rogerboreham9126]

Extraordinary painting

[@Dizinii]

No wonder king James had a weakness for him. He is cute! "I will give you a military commission. Heck, why not?"

[@johnlawrence2757]

“You think I’m pissed - wait till you see my good friend the Duke of Buckingham” - famous British theatre story

[@nicobas773]

Epic painting... no other way to put it ....by Rubens..

[@rosemariehomeyerbente1832]

Very intriguing

[@joffypanjikaran78]

Hi Natasha artist your mom's small garden cottage is very beautiful and good atmosphere you can make good creating paintings in there Very good I am fine I am doing some water colour works . Tanku for your good replay

[@agwbcfjc2]

I can accept the judgement of the Rubens expert that it is by the hand of the master, but I wonder why the sitter's image is placed so far to the viewer's left. Was the panel trimmed down on that side? Is this issue (the odd composition) discussed in this video? If so where, please. Thank you.

[@martynnotman3467]

It was never meant to be a finished work. It was to help him paint the giant equine painting of the Duke, not to go on display, so composition really not that important

[@micbite]

Bendor is a great expert in art

[@myboyz9391]

Omg I did not notice all of his hair(in the painting) until after 6 minutes of watching it. Lol

[@sabrinanascimento1267]

Wow that is great😉❤️

[@heartofroxas877]

I have a old picture of an holy apostel, signed at the backside of his frame to Jacob Jordaens. I was embaressed when i found this apostel in a big picture from Rubens. Some experts say 17 Century, other ‘‘experts‘‘say 18 Century. I dont believe that it is a copy, because i dont found anything about this apostel. Artworld is so tricky...and experts play god.

[@TMPreRaff]

'apostle', 'embarrassed'

[@dinetk3125]

Tim McGee Not everyone on KZbin is a native speaker..

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Its hard to see much in how they wroted to each other as many phrases was very detailed and expressed boldly.

[@rondifrankel]

Absolutely fascinating!

[@patriceroseplummer1124]

It is such a shame to have that Rubens interview (18:10) at the coffee shop--the background noise is very distracting.

[@patriciaclements9457]

Wonderful. Where is this painting currently hanging?

[@whitehallmollhistoryclips8849]

Pollok House in Glasgow

[@tedwatson9929]

Lovely documentary... I'm curious... how did the Pitti Palace/Uffizi Galleries take the news?

[@martynnotman3467]

From the location of their version shoved in a doorway im pretty sure they knew