Does 9MM "Blow The Lungs Out Of The Body?" | Doctor Reacts to Biden ft Garand Thumb

[@WvlfDarkfire]

This was the most professional calling of someone's statement as "bullshit" I've ever witnessed. Beautifully put sir.

[@ferniefabian5503]

The commentary, the expert medical opinions, the science-backed data, the jokes, the sarcasm, and the perfectly-crafted editing (not too hidden, while also not over-staying its welcome) make this one of my favorite KZbin channels of the moment. Keep up the great videos Dr. Raynor. We are all learning a lot from you.

[@tyomar9313]

Facts

[@kevindutton3676]

I find the content creators lack Of knowledge on the subject and constant hand gesturing to be disingenuous and off putting. Nothing personal the content itself is good isht

[@BoyOfNatureOrNatureboy360]

@kevin Dutton "lack Of knowledge" The guy's a fucking doctor!

[@bethyviz]

Could not have said it better myself

[@kizmo2317]

I've been a pathologist for 30 years and a hunter for longer than that. The only time I've ever seen a lung blown out of a body was a small bobcat I shot at a downward angle with a .223 V max at 75 yards. The entrance wound was at the suprasternal notch and it completely emptied his mediastinum as it exited right above the diaphragm anteriorly. In humans, I've never seen anything even remotely close.

[@normanhenderson7300]

Sad act and worst a disgusting sport. I guess it is preferable to shooting a human being right?

[@geraldholt2755]

I don't recognize some of those words, I believe you're a doctor.

[@Jedimindkillerjr]

I think someone should have to get hit with an anti tank rifle at like 500 yards to get their lung blown out. Any closer and the bullet would just move through them

[@tylerpowell405]

@@geraldholt2755 Allow me to translate. Suprasternal, above the sternum, so above the notch that is generally on sternums of animals and humans. Mediastinum, the area behind the sternum, and in between the lungs: the heart, trachea(breathing tube), larynx(vocal chords) are a few structures that are there.

[@monarchco]

I bet if you get a 40mm going fast enough it'll blow out the lung of a human haha.

[@nicknaylor9895]

A lot more informative than I thought it would be. Also not preachy. Much respect, I hope your channel keeps growing.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@CeltKnight]

As a detective, I worked a case of a near contact shot to the chest from a short barrel 12 ga firing, IIRC, #1 buckshot. Now, with a contact/near-contact shot (this was an attempted suicide), the burning gasses we'd normally experience as muzzle blast, etc. enter the body. In the case of a 12 gauge shotgun, this is a considerable amount of additional damage. Yet, our man was seated in a chair when we arrived. He could communicate, talk, gesture, etc. while his lung was very badly damaged, it was, in fact still inside his body. I LOVE how so many presenters have come out and in a fun way shown Biden's comment to be at best misplaced hyperbole and at worst an unforgivable level of misinformation on a very serious matter. However one feels about guns and violence, we need real, valid, unbiased information if we're ever going to find solutions or at least have polite dialog. Another excellent program, Doctor! I'm a happy subscriber.

[@TifDaJeweler]

it is amazing what the human body can be put through without completely giving out.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Guy was at 1 health lol

[@CeltKnight]

@@ghoulbuster1 - LOL, right? He rolled a one on his attack roll on himself AND passed his CON check. .... aaannndddd now everyone knows I'm a total nerd.

[@akumakazenoryu]

@@CeltKnight if we are in this channel det. is because we are nerds

[@ahalfsesameseedbun7472]

@@CeltKnight Vin Deisel plays dnd.

[@thesnail4671]

The gun debate could be over if more people were willing to have honest conversations. Thank you for unbiased medical perspectives on this and the other grand thumb video. Entertaining and educational as always.

[@AntMcLeod]

No it would not. The other side would ask "Should it be easy for innocents to be slaughtered?"

[@amp4105]

@@AntMcLeod and your answer would be "yeah but we need guns if other people have guns" which is logically circular.

[@Danielhuren]

i wish people would use there brains and realize that banning guns in the USA is impractical for multiple reasons and gun laws have very little to do with how often things like school shootings happen and only change what weapons they have access to its a sad fact but people kill each other for arbitrary and petty reasons and theres to many people to stop it this also doesn't change the fact that we can at least try to limit the damage

[@FlashBang33]

@@AntMcLeod It'll always be easy for innocents to be slaughtered. You don't need a weapon to kill someone if you have the skills required. A weapon just makes it less gruesome and dangerous for the one doing the attacking

[@nokinirus]

​@@FlashBang33Meanwhile me, always pointing out the fact that criminals are never going to follow the law, so trying to force people to become less armed is going to just make us vulnerable. What's the point? Making it harder to get shit isn't going to stop people from just taking less legal methods.

[@Trekari]

A topic like this is easy to lecture about and turn into a purely political argument. Instead, you did a fantastic job of providing honest, objective medical evaluation of the statement and multiple different examples of what does and does not matter with regards to bullet-related injuries. I'm thoroughly impressed!

[@thecamocampaindude5167]

I give my respect to this man.

[@Mortablunt]

I don't know Doctor Raynor's views on gun policy, he is an affluent Canadian doctor, so I'm willing to bet it's nothing like mine, however, I appreciate his devotion to having factual objectivity on the matter, and also the respect with which he approaches the subject.

[@shelbylover1359]

As Brandon Herrera said, “It’s always the people who know the least about guns who are the loudest about banning them”

[@samsonsoturian6013]

He's got an opposite problem

[@Ariana321]

That may soon change, if Brandon wins his election. Guy is running for congress.@@samsonsoturian6013

[@steoderfragt1821]

Do you really need to know much about guns, if you have statistics? Knowing the mechanical detail, will not help you make policy decisions.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

They're being broad about knowledge about guns. I've encountered a fair number of activists that actively refuse to learn anything about the current regulations so that they have an easy excuse for claiming there are none@@steoderfragt1821

[@DanielRichards644]

it's simple really, Biden is a TYRANT and he knows he can't go full tyrant while we can defend ourselves. Biden's total disregard for the constitution should have seen him impeached and removed from office several times over at this point.

[@Blue-cq2hl]

I always think this sort of stuff is neat and think that regardless of how you feel these statements of misinformation and fearmongering do nothing but hurt us. No matter what your stance is you shouldn't stand behind or support bad information like that. The in depth explanations of body function and the impact of these things is good. I hate that we see so much misleading information spread and I feel like these statements are made to scare people and are intentional and malicious because of that.

[@camhabibi2217]

"these statements of misinformation and fearmongering do nothing but hurt us." I think the mass shootings and gang-related shootings hurt us but okay I guess a 70+ year old president saying one wrong thing about a specific caliber of bullet is pretty serious too.

[@Spiffelight]

Scare people of what however, - - - - guns?

[@PhoenixFires]

Hyperbole, willful ignorance, and malicious misinformation are very different things. Like yes, your lung won't be ripped out from your body if you get hit with 9mm but you likely don't want to seek out 9mm to the chest on a regular basis. That's hyperbole. Willful ignorance is just the harmless pure idiocy of stuff like "The Earth is flat." which does nothing but make the person stating such a thing sound insane. Then there's malicious misinformation like how Russia claims any atrocities they're committing are all fake news and propaganda and psyops and that any civilian deaths or atrocities and video/photo evidence of such things are all simply fake.

[@jamesharrelson4172]

@@Spiffelight nah the fentanyl in your children's Halloween candy

[@tdogaz4114]

If people aren't smart enough to figure out what's bullshit and what's not is ridiculous no sympathy. Even when the evidence is hitting them in the face they'll still deny.

[@donovanlegrange8461]

"I am a responsible gun owner" This something we should all strive for. Education with regards to firearms and helping those in need that suffer mental break will safe more lives. Thank Dr

[@apollobravo7654]

I agree, we can not simply get rid of firearms. Criminals and others with I'll intent will always find a way. We need to be safer with our firearms

[@hazel-vf7on]

@@apollobravo7654 This is what seems to be the case with a lot of anti-gun folks. Getting rid of firearms won't get rid of firearms, it'll only open up additional ways for criminals to earn more money selling and buying them illegally. That alongside with the "guns don't kill, people do" should be exposed a lot more.

[@sfbs]

@@hazel-vf7on you are right. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people, with guns.

[@hazel-vf7on]

@@sfbs People also kill people with vehicles, wrenches, hammers, the list goes on. Objects such as those cannot magically just end someone's life, human error and human decisions frequently do though.

[@hooktraining3966]

@@hazel-vf7on car wrecks are actually a HIGHLY common cause of death. I can get one way younger than I can get a gun.

[@Andulvar]

I'm not an American and even I know Biden doesn't know what he's talking about with it comes to the damage certain calibers can do.

[@vsaucepog7829]

Dont think he has any clue about whatever he's talking lol

[@Lurch4539]

yep, he's a disgrace to America.

[@ccarroll4339]

@@Lurch4539 every president is a disgrace to America from the other side.

[@danielhenderson8316]

That also goes for many people on his side of the argument who get their information from Hollywood instead of science.

[@camhabibi2217]

I'm sure all these gun owners were up in arms every time Trump said something wrong. /s

[@Sithspit_Rogue]

Discovered this channel this morning. As a retired paramedic, responsible gun enthusiast, husband, father, IT professional, and someone that spends far too much time on KZbin, I have some adjectives to unpack regarding your content. They are, in no particular order: Superlative, informative, entertaining, factual, apparently unbiased, educated, smoothly delivered, and are the "Goldilocks" standard for your type of content...not too much, not too little, but JUST RIGHT. Kudos, Doctor. You're a credit to your field and audience.

[@Sithspit_Rogue]

@@DEL8TE I left out musician (bass, guitar, vocals), karateka, (Isshin-ryu, Kenpo, Tang Soo Do), and a few others. I'm an odd mix guy.

[@kryogenik2073]

Always pegged the good doctor as being a gun owner. And I'm very glad to have him on the side of "truth" in that he explains things wonderfully and without any politics which is refreshing. Also I'd LOVE to see the Doctor here and Professor Thumb getting together for a collaboration.....I do believe it'd be awesome as all get out

[@Striker9]

Absolutely! I would love to see them collaborate. Would be super informative.

[@gideonevans9717]

He's Canadian. I don't think he CAN own a gun.

[@MiaMooreA]

@@gideonevans9717 We can own guns, there are more restrictions, many more. Also he is a CAF member so he definitely has a firearm.

[@Soyfunnykids]

you pegged him🤨

[@collander7766]

I was already watching his videos a lot because of how informative and unbiased his professional opinion has been regarding stuff like chiropractic pseudoscience and the like... But I'm going to be watching him *religiously* now that I realize how b a s e d the good doctor is

[@shaunnormandy]

To issue a small correction, the .223 could be considered a smaller-caliber round than a 9mm. The literal definition of caliber only refers to diameter, and 9mm is roughly .357 inches. The reasons the terminal ballistics are so much more dramatic are its velocity, which was produced with a longer barrel length, as well as the higher powder load that rifle cartridges use. .223 would be most aptly-referred to as an intermediate-power cartridge, whereas the 9mm a "low-power" cartridge.

[@brettknoss486]

True, it could be considered a high-powered round. I believe the military term is intermediate round. The important things are mass of the bullet, acceleration, and air resistance. Larger caliber bullets have less power than a smaller caliber because of air resistance, and the impact can be spread over a larger area.

[@shaunnormandy]

@@brettknoss486 yeah, certainly intermediate-size, but small-caliber.

[@protoman1214]

⁠@@brettknoss486you were close to making sense but lost it halfway Yes, bullet weight, form factor, powder charge, barrel length and twist rate, etc are all factors into the “power” of a cartridge Saying larger calibers have less power is not always accurate, 50 BMG is about as big of a caliber you can get in a small arm and it’s certainly traveling faster with more kinetic energy(power) than most smaller calibers.

[@JJ-iu5hl]

​@@brettknoss486Nah. Nobody talks about power of a bullet. They refer to kinetic energy of a bullet. And no, larger calibers don't inherently have less of it. That's because they usually get pushed harder to achieve similar velocities as small projectiles, at which point, they exceed their energy due to their extra mass. You might be thinking of sectional density, a value which wider bullets *at the same weight* tend to have less of.

[@tonyravioli1982]

Great video doc. I genuinely appreciate your attempt to educate people!

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

I appreciate that!

[@MrJamesIkanov]

Love your channel and the medical analysis. I started as a GT viewer but as a former EMS provider this content is very informative. I'd love to see this format of content as "continuing education" and I feel like you've got the chops to pull that sort of thing off. I always learn something when I watch your breakdowns. GT is entertaining, but your stuff is entertaining *and* educational. Great stuff!

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Thank you kindly James. I am working to improve my skills as an educator on each and every video. I always appreciate the insight of medically-trained people like yourself. It lets me know that I am getting on track.

[@lemuelcruz247]

What's GT?

[@dylanwarwick4429]

@@lemuelcruz247 GarandThumb, the guy whose videos Chris is reacting to/providing commentary on.

[@jamwheeler]

The fact you stay so apolitical with these videos is very admirable

[@RamathRS]

Why? Does someone suddenly earn exemption from consequences of their dishonest comments simply because they spoke as a politician? The claim on virtue by way of avoiding political commentary is without basis. You aren't special simply because you look the other way.

[@somerandomturtle4775]

​@@RamathRSdid you blow in from stupidville

[@samuelwallace7717]

I just came across these videos and I can genuinely say that not only are they entertaining, but extremely educational. Keep it up, you’re teaching knowledge that could save lives.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Thanks, will do!

[@sincityhvacr6397]

I did not intend to watch this entire video. Absolutely truthful information and entertaining/ informative. You have earned this sub, my good sir!

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Welcome aboard!👍

[@carloscunha5528]

I really enjoy the medical perspective you provide to a topic rife with anecdote, lore, and supposition. Prior to your channel, the best source was pouring over autopsy reports, and those lack the explanation and context you deliver. Please keep up the excellent work.

[@TheDarksideFNothing]

I love these collaborations with "Dr. Garand Thumb." It's fun watching the original video then seeing these follow-ups

[@A.Mac.]

This isn't a collab, this is a lazy person taking the content of a creative person to say nothing. Nothing transformative was discussed or discovered.

[@TheDarksideFNothing]

@@A.Mac. it's building off of garand thumbs work and adding additional perspective, detail, and legitimacy.

[@stuckonthepot6187]

@@A.Mac. @A M If Garand Thumb has not given his permission to use the video, nor has he appeared personally on this video, then I agree with the fact that this video is not collaborative. However the statement that this content is lazy and not transformative is completely wrong. And I'd happily have a CIVIL debate if you think you could prove otherwise.

[@OMG_No_Way]

@@stuckonthepot6187 Don’t bother. He’s just butt hurt that he finally heard the truth.

[@stuckonthepot6187]

@@OMG_No_Way If they had an actual argument, then I would a chance to see their take, and if not then I really didn't go out of my way to type these. Sometimes you have to make your own entertainment.

[@warnpeace5294]

I’m honestly glad you put your medical experience in on Garand Thumbs videos it’s very educational on how to deal with a situation if it were to happen.

[@thaddeuslorusso4490]

Nice job Doc on presenting the material and walking the viewer through it. Keep up the good work. P.S. thanks for not dragging politics of either side into the clip.

[@Osprey1994]

The who topic is inherently political. I get that a lot of people in the gun community want to divorce themselves from the stress that comes with fighting for our rights, but unfortunately guns are inherently political especially right now.

[@danielhenderson8316]

Which is another reason Garand Thumb is doing interviews like this. He’s also got another video where another politician said people shot with ARs have to have a closed casket funeral because it blows the body into hamburger.

[@jroden06]

It’s a shame that the discussions typically can’t progress further than “you don’t know what you’re talking about” and the opposition responding with “and you don’t care about safety!” Most gun owners will tell you that the best argument for gun control is your average gun owner. But there never seems to be a consistent middle ground for agreement amidst all of the mudslinging.

[@patchmoulton5438]

@@jroden06 How do you reach a middle ground with a liar, tho? Time and time again, the gun grabbers regularly lie about guns to resrict them further and further. Just look at the whole debate on the AR-15. And people eat that stuff up despite these lies being proven as such by gun owners. So how do you come to a middle ground there?

[@braveheart4lif31]

Dr. Chris, I have to say I’ve casually enjoyed your videos for a while, specifically the firearm related injury analysis videos. I have zero medical experience, in fact most of the time I’m watching your videos I’m squirming the entire time. However I find them extremely informative and entertaining. Being a responsible gun owner and avid hunter/shooting enthusiast I cannot thank you enough for the truthful analysis of statements like this. We need more of this and less inaccurate statements only meant to peddle fear.

[@ShellShock794]

I've never seen someone approach this topic so scientifically and apolitical. Good job, Doc 👍

[@Xtino1989X]

I just found ur channel a few days ago and I’m totally addicted to it the research u do it top notch and the fact ur not afraid to say u don’t know or can’t make a opinion bc ur not versed enough on a subject is what really hit me hooked to many people are afraid to say that anymore or put the thorough research in

[@rowanweaver3241]

I respect your unbiased approach to this, as a firearms enthusiast, I feel like too often the opinion is swayed too much by general bias, not saying which way, sometimes its one way, other times its the opposite, but I digress, thanks for another educational and interesting video

[@jo-e-z7h]

I always talk about the Swiss and how they effectively ended gun violence by supplying and teaching every citizen how to use and own a gun. Love the vid btw 👍

[@redfoxtactical8425]

The Swiss are also a very closed homogeneous society with a shared culture. It's not entirely fair to compare somewhere like that or Japan to the US.

[@erileka5228]

@@redfoxtactical8425 Japan is a very closed homogenous society, way more so than the swiss. It has very strict gun laws and almost no gun violence. Not comparable with the US or Swiss in any kind of way

[@papita_vTuberFan]

I was expecting you to cover the topic. I enjoy watching firearms related gun content on KZbin and the medical side of it is really interesting. My mom was an ER surgeon so she probably got out a few 9mm out of lungs. I am not from the states but in my country we aren't strangers to polliticians talking about stuff they have no idea about.

[@Osprey1994]

Career Politicians like Joe Biden tend to be like this...they pander to their base in order to secure votes.

[@whydidimakethischannel5545]

Clueless politicians are a universal constant

[@Colonel_Overkill]

Honestly thats politicians of any country. As far as the blow the lung out though, as far as I know there isnt a single caliber thay can blow a lung out of a person without also causing spontaneous disassembly of the torso in the process, and those are usually classified as anti material rifles or something similar in purpose.

[@The_Friendly_Fire]

If politicians never spoke about stuff they have no idea about, they would never speak at all.

[@casualgoats]

2 shadowed comments. F.

[@nurseshrek]

As an old ortho circulating nurse, I really enjoy and appreciate these videos. They are interesting and fun to watch, but more importantly, they are educational. Any time I have lost a patient on my OR table, due to a shooting or anything else, I always try to accompany the surgeon to inform the family. I do it because I feel like even though the surgeon must project an air of always knowing what to do, they are still human, and could use moral support in that moment, which has scarred the soul of many a strong man or woman. Of the times where the patient was lost to violence, more than once I have had a bewildered family tell me that people “ don’t die from that in the movies or on tv.” Patient and family education is always important, especially in those times where there is little time to act, and even less time for discussion. So again, thanks for doing your part to help educate people.

[@mystwolfe7791]

Really enjoy his channel. I was an emt then a combat medic then an RN.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

You have seen everything Mystwolfe!

[@mystwolfe7791]

@@ChrisRaynorMD I seriously doubt I have seen anything close to the amount of trauma you have dealt with sir.

[@JR-The_Godfather_of_Horsepower]

Thank you for your service.

[@mystwolfe7791]

@@JR-The_Godfather_of_Horsepower thank you.

[@loganstabb2278]

Dr Chris, you speak with such charisma and with such knowledge of your field. Thank you for your hard work on this videos! Id listen to you be my teacher forever

[@JonathanSilva-vq6cg]

Quality quality quality, well researched and edited. Have to give props to the Doc and team

[@hunterarmstrong4451]

Hey Doc I wanted to say you’re pretty good at these videos. Unbiased and informative. Great editing too. I think I speak for anyone when I say we appreciate what you do here.

[@exudeku]

I have never feel so satisfied in subbing a channel. Doc reacting to various shenanigans and giving absolutely professional info is grade S+ quality, especially from Warhammer 40k implants and gunshot injuries videos. Im not gonna be surprised if Doc's channel skyrocketed to 1M subs soon

[@nonyabiz2777]

You are amazing. Your knowledge,cadence and voice is mesmerizing. I’m learning without even trying. Bravo sir. You make the cool videos even better. Nice work. Thank you.

[@banshees_box1331]

I find it very facinating to learn what weapons and calibers will actually do to the human body. I think an interesting video idea would be Garand thumb's 40mm vs human torso or I think Scott at Kentucky Ballistics did a video about what happens when a plate catches a bullet.

[@ozfifer7392]

40mm? Friend that sounds like a 40mm grenade, did you mean the .40 Smith and Wesson cartridge? Because a 40mm is WAY bigger than .50 caliber cartridge, by about a magnitude of 3x. 40mm = 1.57 caliber (that's an Inch and a half of caliber/diameter. .40 caliber = 10.16mm A .50 BMG cartridge = 12.7mm I hate math but I felt the need to tell you that unless you want a literal artillery cannon or naval cannon strapped to your shoulder, and have it consequently crush you under the weight, then you could only fire it once and then concussive force would turn your shoulder into a fine red paste. Unless you happen to be an Adeptus Astartes, then I want in on it. Please do not try this at home.

[@DH-xw6jp]

@@ozfifer7392 no, he means 40mm. Yes, the grenade launcher round. Garand thumb was testing if a close encounter with the wrong end of a thump tube would kill you if you are inside of the arming distance.

[@ozfifer7392]

@@DH-xw6jp Thank you for the clarity on that, I'll definitely have to watch it then.

[@DH-xw6jp]

@@ozfifer7392 it's a great watch if you enjoy Garand Thumb's style of presentation. All of his "[X] vs. Human Torso/head" videos are good.

[@DurzoBlunts]

Anti material rifle vs a torso.

[@Timmy2Tough]

I’ve enjoyed GT’s videos for a long time, recently found Eric’s channel, and even more recently have found yours and love it. Glad you’ve been doing these! Super interesting.

[@Kross8761]

The bottom line of ballistics is there is always a trade-off. Handguns aren't very good at "killing" but they are certainly better than not having a gun, and due to their smaller size they're much more portable and concealable. I would rather have a rifle if I knew I were going into a gunfight 100% of the time, but the thing about self defense is that you almost NEVER know when you're going to need to defend yourself until the fight is upon you. I can't carry my AR all day every day as I go about life, but I can carry my 9mm everyday and it's small enough that no one knows I have it until I need it. The most powerful handgun rounds (excluding some of the monstrous magnums) are weaker than even the weakest rifle rounds. A 5.56 fired from a rifle is significantly more powerful than a .45 caliber or even a .357 magnum, and 5.56 is a *small* rifle round. Funnily enough people talk about 5.56 like it's some sort of death ray, but it's so small that many states won't allow hunters to use it for deer, relegating it to a varmint round not to be used on anything larger than a coyote. Meanwhile those very same people seem fine with rifles chambered in rounds like .270 Winchester and .30-06 which are considered two of the best all-around cartridges for everything up to bears. The people who talk the loudest about this subject have the least amount of actual knowledge, and rely solely on what they hear from movies and games, or worse resort to emotional arguments rather than facts.

[@Schwarzvogel1]

The truth, as in many things, lies between two extremes. 5.56x45mm indeed is *not* a death ray... but it also isn't a peashooter, especially against human targets. The reason why many states don't allow hunters to use 5.56 or .223 for taking deer *isn't* because 5.56x45mm is incapable of killing a whitetail deer in a single shot--it is. The problem is that achieving a clean, humane kill with 5.56x45mm on a whitetail deer isn't an easy shot to make, and to avoid a slew of nasty cases in which less-than-skillful hunters end up simply maiming large number of deer each season, condemning the beasties to prolonged, painful deaths, the authorities simply require everyone to use more powerful cartridges which will reliably inflict rapid incapacitation on game animals even with a less than precisely placed shots. If I were more into hunting, I personally would not hunt whitetail deer with 5.56x45mm or .223, because _I_ don't feel confident enough to make a clean kill shot on the animal at the required ranges. But for defensive usage? I feel *very* confident with 5.56x45mm, even out of an 11.5" barrel. And I agree with you 100% that if you _know_ you are going to get into a gunfight, the rifle is the superior option, but for everyday usage and carry, it isn't practical. Even with 5.56x45mm, have you ever heard of a police or citizen-involved shooting in the US in which the aggressor was not stopped by multiple rounds of 5.56 or .223? I have not. I have, however, heard of many accounts in which just about every common handgun caliber has failed to stop an aggressive human threat even with multiple hits to the thorax: 9x19mm, .45 ACP, .357 Magnum... there are cases of people tanking multiple hits from any of those rounds and continuing to fight. But I haven't heard of anyone--in the US, at least--taking multiple 5.56x45mm shots and continuing to be a threat.

[@Kross8761]

@@Schwarzvogel1 100% agreed, I have taken a deer with 5.56, but then the next spring I immediately bought a 6.5 Grendel upper for my AR just for deer and antelope sized hunting. The 5.56 round did do its job, and put the deer down quickly and humanely, but I still like to have just a little more power to ensure a clean kill. It all comes down to bullet selection, a good 5.56 will do more damage than a .308 FMJ all other factors being equal, but a combination of both good bullet choice AND good caliber/cartridge improve the odds even further. The 5.56 FMJ is an entirely adequate round for self defense with a rifle at normal self defense ranges because it tumbles and fragments, but it is entirely dependent on velocity to work "correctly" which is why the military complains that it often doesn't perform as needed because towards the end of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq insurgents were attacking troops from medium to long range and FMJ 5.56 out of military 14.5 inch rifles suffers at extended ranges. However, better bullet designs exist that the military doesn't use whether that's due to the Hague convention, or logistics, or simply price, but civilians have access to much more effective bullet designs. I'm confident in the sense that if I had to take a deer with a 5.56 I could, but if I have a choice or access to a better tool for the job I'm going to take it. I've killed coyotes as far away as 500yds with my 5.56, and I could "probably" do the same against deer with 5.56 with proper bullet selection, but something like 6.5 Grendel or even a full power rifle round like a .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor are even better choices that give more room for minor mistakes (no one is perfect, and there are variables that you can't always know 100% of the time) Sorry for the wall of text, I enjoy talking about this when people actually act civil and can hold a peaceful conversation.

[@thumper84]

The Ruger 5.7 is a great round.

[@Kross8761]

@@thumper84 FN designed it, but yeah, 5.7x28 is excellent at its job, it's not a rifle cartridge though, and it doesn't try to be. It's a high performance pistol/PDW cartridge, and is excellent when combined with a PDW in particular: virtually zero recoil, high capacity, and a blistering fire rate. It's not a "1 shot does the trick" design, it's more of an "angry swarm of bees" concept that can pierce soft body armor with the right ammo. It is a superb 200yd varmint round, and is an absolute sweetheart in an ultra light bolt action rifle setup, no recoil, deadly accurate, and the long barrel gives it a fair bit of extra velocity.

[@talltale9760]

My brother in law has taken multiple deer with basic 55gr .223 BUT he’s a phenomenal shot so your mileage may vary lol.

[@rha600]

I love this guy. Not just for his accurate information and sometimes comical parts but because he explains things in terms everyone should be able to understand and without the theatrics you see in the main stream media. Keep up the great videos.

[@CharlesEakins]

As a gun owner myself, one of the things I did was also get some gunshot wound trauma training. I don't want to ever have to shoot someone in self defense, but if I do I'm prepared to help save their life until EMS gets there. Keep an IFAK handy. Thanks doc for using science to help educate people.

[@ssholum]

Legally dubious, but at least your heart is in the right place.

[@Josiecel]

@@ssholum real

[@ssholum]

To clarify my first comment (as much for other people as OP), by rendering first aid to the person you shot, the prosecution will claim that, since you didn't see the need for the other party to die, you were not in mortal danger and thus improperly used lethal force. This is also why "shoot to maim" is heavily discouraged; not only have you left a chance for physical retaliation, you've signaled that lethal force was not required (and yet you used it anyways). For your own legal protection (and as best self-defense practice), if you have to draw your firearm, you should shoot to kill. Pray you never need to, but be prepared to do so.

[@MrPingn]

Just make sure it's safe to do so before you even think about trying. Just because a threat has stopped being active doesn't mean you aren't still at risk.

[@HBomb157]

@@ssholum I'm going to qualify your statement. You should shoot to stop the threat. Literally every decision you make will be used against you in court, you should do what's right, even saving an attackers life, if it is safe to do so. Your defense will use the same set of facts to prove you didn't want to hurt anyone, you were only defending yourself.

[@Pegfoxx]

Just found your channel Dr. Chris defo subscribed. I was in Iraq and got shot three times in the upper left part of my body by an AK47 rife 5.56 round. One round hit the rib, one round went right through my body, and one round got stuck in the left lung. The doctors saved my lung pretty good.

[@domosrage5434]

I love this channel more and more. Keep the information and humor flowing, Doc! Can't wait for your next warhammer video.

[@ETC_Rohaly_USCG]

Love this series Dr. Chris! Keep them coming!

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Thanks! Will do!

[@TheDragonHunta]

Hey Doc, phenomenal video! Love to see the willingness to educate people! I appreciate your efforts in combating misinformation and REALLY hope you do a full on collaboration with Professor Thumb

[@MickySupreme]

GSW survivor here - 10 years ago today I got shot point blanc in my left chest, millimetres from my heart according to MRI results. My 8th Rib was fractured, right lungs punctured (and didn't blow out). Aside from God's grace over my life, I think having an exit wound increased my chance of survival. The bullet exited on my right and all the tubes and surgery you mentioned happened. Touchy and insightful review for me. Thanks for doing this Doc.

[@Steven-ze2zk]

So getting shot is no big deal? Bullets are safe even if they pierce through your body, cracking your ribs and puncturing your lung in the process?

[@MickySupreme]

@@Steven-ze2zk No one said it is no big deal. I suggest you go talk with your government, arms dealers and manufactures. Starting there is better a place to pick an issue - wouldn't it?

[@Steven-ze2zk]

@@MickySupreme You think that guns are fine to put in the hands of ordinary people so long as the bullets pierce right through your body? And you think this because such bullets are safer than ones which lodge inside your body? Have you met ordinary people? I wouldn't trust many of them with pencils, let alone guns. As a shooting victim I would assume that you would never want to see a gun again but you're clearly a gun enthusiast so I guess there's something wrong with you. You think having an exit wound increases your chance of survival. Would this still be the case if the bullet passed through your head? Was the bullet which passed through your body always going to be non fatal?

[@Antholography]

Dr: I have actually really enjoyed these segments involving various personalities from the gun circuit. The diversity of opinion, experimentation method, and repeatability of this makes this *actual* science, and a critical eye from a medical standpoint is sorely needed in this arena. Thank you very much for putting together this presentation!

[@freeholdtacticalmed]

Well said Dr. Raynor. ER doc here. Lots of experience with gsw’s, (penetrating trauma), blast trauma. It’s nice to see an experienced surgeon sharing with us mere mortals. Well said, sir!

[@iDEATH]

I only recently discovered your channel, Doctor Raynor, but I am loving your content. Informative, educational and entertaining! Keep doing what you're doing, please. :)

[@annasdad8008]

The one element you left out was the effect of the difference in velocity between the .22 lr and most standard handgun rounds (~1200 fps) and standard rifle rounds (~3000 fps). The much higher velocity of rifle rounds produces significant cavitation which greatly increases the amount of internal damage.

[@ratasslordofyoink4542]

There's something so satisfying about watching someone who's researched their shit talk about a topic, always love seeing an expert give their opinion without the politics.

[@jtrent3960]

Thank you Dr Raynor your videos are so fair, entertaining, and great intertainment. Cheers and I would consider you a friend

[@twosidedcoin4688]

You my good sir are quite possibly my favorite KZbinr and a credit to your profession and a credit to responsible gun owners too. Keep on keeping on my dude, your production quality is spot on, delivery is spot on. I can't sing the praises of this channel enough, what's more, you are going into the science of a space marine so you get a few nerd points too. Great stuff. 👍🏻

[@fin_jan]

7:02 Kudos for the hearing protection. Safety first! I love your stuff!

[@Blindman51]

God we need to get these guys to do a collaboration

[@richardhaselwood9478]

It'd be great :)

[@Tyfu39944]

There shouldn’t even be a debate about gun control. “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” is all that it should take to shut down any sort of discussion of banning any firearms

[@BattleshipSailorBB63]

I freely admit I'm a firearms proponent and biased as such. I've watched several of your videos so far and always find them both highly entertaining and informative. In effect, Doctor, you "get" the gun culture vernacular and thus speak the same language wheras a stunning majority of your contemporaries do not. Keep giving it to me straight, Doc.

[@Whomecouldntb3]

The good doctor educating people as usual with objective and detailed explanations. Thank you sir!

[@edwardcrow6385]

Why is this man sitting at anything less than 5 million? These videos are informative, and in this particular video. The equivalent of double checking your information!! ❤❤ hope you sky rocket up the charts man

[@lalaithan]

Facts aren't trendy.

[@crustybomb115]

@@lalaithan unfortunately.

[@fireemblemistrash75]

KZbin is anti gun and pro trendy, mindless trash.

[@pvj6993]

Great video, good job. This video was very educational and pulled a lot of truth out of topic that is purposely being made murky and confusing to the general public. I salute you for making this video.

[@freshdachs6200]

I am on my way to become an occupational therapist and your videos help my understanding of anatomy quiet a bit! :D

[@believethehype8936]

Wow Doc! Great to see you are doing well on KZbin!

[@angelosusa4258]

Love the explanations and the break down of injuries and procedures. politicians really don’t know what they are talking about

[@arash1934]

Brother i just love how you know everyone and just casually drop the name of camerman for example. Obviously a fan too! Glad to have found your channel!

[@Michael_Rega]

An interesting idea for a video that follows this line of thinking about very powerful injuries, one about blast injuries would be very interesting as a follow up. Especially from the primary blast injury perspective where hollow organs rupture

[@necromancer0616]

Very interesting video doc. Good show old chap. I would have found it interesting to see the effect of Omnishock or Hydroshock rounds on the body too sense they are supposed to explode on impact.

[@bungh0LeO]

You’re absolutely amazing for providing the in-depth explanations on these topics! Education is so important and you structure these videos that they are easily digestible and entertaining to watch as well! Keep up the amazing work, Doc!

[@WriterandPhotographer]

Dr. Raynor...........great video; very interesting. I had always heard the 22 referred to as the "assassin's or hitman's special." The thinking is that the bullet, shot into the torso, would "bounce" and cause more internal damage. Always good to see the empirical evidence.

[@skull20002000]

The AR-15 fires a 5.56mm bullet which is not very different in the diameter of a .22 bullet. The .22 is slightly bigger in diameter. The 5.56 is a bigger in length. However the 5.56 has a much "hotter load" which results in a tiny light round flying at great velocity, therefore transferring massive energy when striking a target. That being said the AR-15 is not a high caliber gun, it is actually one of the smallest. Hope this cleared things up and someone learned something new.

[@reecep6758]

Came to your channel to see the video about bodybuilders and stayed for your amazing information on this matter. I look forward to watching more of your thorough and accurate education style. New favorite sub. Thank you from Canada.

[@russell6167]

Great video! My only complaint is that you cut from the .223 to the .308 exit wound, which was almost on top of the .223 exit wound, making it appear a little larger than it otherwise would have been.

[@GraniteStateofMind]

This is a seriously high-quality video! Well done!

[@kidtruck9157]

Love this. Very intresting to see where the medical and firearms communities can intertwine

[@josepheilers8939]

This is the best explanation I have seen on this subject

[@Freedm762]

Hoo boy looking forward to this doc

[@WarrensAdventures]

21:10 ironically enough, the caliber fired that did that was the bottom caliber: 5.56mm. It’s not about bullet size in every scenario, more often than not it’s about velocity.

[@Sai.Hottari]

As a Gun nut, even a Canadian one, I definitely appreciate the thorough explanations and review of evidence provided by other youtubers. I'd like to give some input and corrections for those wondering, however. For the record, most rifle rounds are actually smaller than pistol rounds. Rifle rounds, such as the most common 5.56mm used in more AR-15s, is as it's name suggests, smaller than a 9mm used in many handguns. What makes rifle rounds much more dangerous is that they have the advantage of a longer barrel. This gives the round more time to accelerate under the pressure of the propellant. 9mm can often achieve about 350m/s, while an AR using 5.56mm can get nearly 1000m/s. The .220 Swift is a cartridge than can reach as much as 1,500m/s. This is why pistols use large caliber rounds. They don't have a long barrel to accelerate rounds up to high velocity. To compensate, they use a larger round to at least partially make up the difference in firing energy. After all, the energy in a projectile is determined by both its speed and its mass.

[@PhoenixFires]

This sort of ignores the basic ballistics and physics of firearms. The force enacted upon the projectile is the primary factor in how much kinetic energy it will transfer. Just having a longer barrel or a bigger round will not magically give the bullet itself more oomph. Rifle rounds may be smaller but the longer barrel of the weapon itself is not what gives it more power, its the composition of the rounds which utilize far more propellant in rifles than in handguns on average. Length of barrels and rifling are primarily for accuracy, not to extend the power behind a round. And the mass of a projectile isn't what gives it more power. The more power enacted upon a more massive object to achieve the SAME velocity as a less massive object, the more kinetic energy is contained within that more massive object (though drag will act on it faster than a less massive object at the same speed, and that's not even getting into the shitshow that is aerodynamics). Its why a large, tossed stone will not have as much power behind it as a .22 which was aimed with a small pipe and triggered with a sewing needle. The force enacted on it is primarily from the gunpowder acting as a propellant, which has more potential energy output than your arm does (in the same timeframe. Obviously the actual potential energy in your arm from full to fully expended is greater than a single round of .22).

[@AntMcLeod]

My condolences to you in Canada.

[@lancefrank6432]

Just found this channel by happenstance, immediate go-to. Amazing insight thank you so much

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Welcome!

[@dorzak975]

5.56 is actually a smaller caliber (diameter) than 9mm. It is shot faster thus hits with more energy. 9mm is relatively light recoil and has some very effected hollow point ammunition options for self defense and law enforcement.

[@immikeurnot]

Handguns only exist because they're easy to carry. They're not great fight stoppers, but they beat a sharp stick or harsh language.

[@AndrewStevenson316]

Again, a class act. You *really* need to do a collaboration with Garand, Colion, Iraqivet888 and Kentucky B. I can only imagine the hilarity (and education) that would ensue.

[@samhalsey2155]

Sounds like Biden was watching too many cartoons or anime with characters having holes blown in them before he spoke

[@ccarroll4339]

You're not wrong. But... I'm sure we can agree, presidents can be wrong. Bleach injected in the blood comes to mind...

[@IllOmen-gl3ji]

Dr. Raynor, bravo and thank you for your videos and professional insights!

[@tac6557]

Was an Armed Guard attempting to stop an active shooter when I was shot twice in the chest (vest stopped the first two), third one went through my arm, armpit and hitting my lung filling full of blood. All I can say is that it hurts like hell and I was knocked to the ground. After realizing I was shot I was told I became enraged and returned fire even more.. I don't remember any of it. Just the surgeries, and blood loss

[@krazykozey2259]

Happy I found you. Love your sense of humor and your intelligence and laymen explaining of theories!!!

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Thanks!

[@DunsfordFarnsworth]

Love this channel. Fun to watch and actually explains what the heck is going on, exactly what’s going on. Maybe make a video for basic first aid for shots/stabs for the general population, just in case, or just so people know what NOT to do

[@ActionBob]

What a delightful video eloquent and concise, Humorous yet specific and topical. 10/10 a gentlemen and a scholar.

[@jamesmayes4351]

As a life long hunter I have hit a fair number of deer with high caliber, high velocity hollow point projectiles. I have never seen a lung "blown out of the body". I wish that before anyone talked out of their 4th point of contact they got at least a little practical knowledge. Thank you for the great video and reasonable presentation.

[@BOOMER-rs5qn]

And that moron Biden refers to a 556/223 round as "High Caliber", when it's illegal to use for big game hunting in many states because it is underpowered. Most big game hunters won't use it for hunting either for the same reason.

[@AreUmygrandson]

I’ve seen fist size exit wounds but never seen a lung blown out

[@genuinehawken]

I have one time but it was a hyper velocity round. A 7mm Rem Mag on an Ibex and it was a tiny bit of tissue pulled out the exit after hitting ribs on both sides. Freak occurrence I'm sure. Slight order of magnitude more than a 9x19🤣

[@nosteponsnakey]

Thanks Doc! Really love your content and input on these subjects!

[@CoconutsHD]

I’m glad to see a channel like this, in a realm unrelated to pew pews, exposing the inaccuracies of our leaders. And doing in non biased science based approach. We all know how much much people trust science :) thank you Doc!💖

[@Kurokuma10]

Informative, Educational, and fact-focused. Always a pleasure to see a Dr. Raynor video.

[@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape]

Paul Harrell also has some informative test using meat clothing and fruit as a test media.

[@bryanminer9583]

This was a wonderful showcase of looking at something objectively as possible. Also shows how “facts” can be truthful in an specific situation and also completely inaccurate. This was informative and a joy to watch.

[@troublemaker9899]

I think the most surprising part of this is that only 5% of patients suffer hemothorax from a gunshot wound to the lung. I thought that number would be much higher.

[@chasefrancis8742]

Pnuemos are the real danger; why our kits have decomp needles!

[@nyrvash]

These videos are the best/the way react genre should be. Talking back and forth from the original video while actually giving/expanding on details.

[@RandomInternetProfile]

As a biologist and a gun owner, I appreciate a whole bunch of nerd shit. Thanks doc. The subtle joke about the back of the dummy as you showed a clip of Biden turning around and walking away gave me a good chuckle.

[@jerichorosas]

Excellent response video! As a 2A advocate, I very much appreciate hearing an in-depth scientific breakdown of the dialogue from a physician. Facts should always guide our conversations!

[@didamnesia3575]

I hate when gun store employees start bugging me about which 9mm I need. If I wanted Makarov I'd say that.

[@immikeurnot]

"Not one of the oddball niche ones that only nerds care about." When I hear "9mm" I assume 9x19. The rest don't matter.

[@didamnesia3575]

@@immikeurnot sometimes it gets annoying, but I understand they're just making sure.

[@Schwarzvogel1]

@@immikeurnot Unless you are a novice shooter who inherited a Makarov PM--and yes, there are a decent number of people who fall into that category. If you don't want to be bugged by gun store employees when you ask for ammo, be specific in your language.

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@Schwarzvogel1 It’s like going to a restaurant, ordering potatoes, and getting pissed off because the waiter asks if you want fries, backed, mashed, scalloped, etc.

[@benwilson5893]

This was as enjoyable as it was educational to watch. I'm definitely subscribing for more videos like this.

[@ChrisRaynorMD]

Awesome, thank you!

[@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape]

Why does the military and law enforcement use the 9mm? Because it's the best all around compromise of performance with its velocity diameter, weight of projectile, capacity of systems, terminal performance, and reliable systems available in the caliber.

[@immikeurnot]

Best mix of capacity, recoil, effectiveness. Well... until earlier this year when .30 Super Carry came along.

[@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape]

@@immikeurnot Like your thinking, but it's the lack of choices for dispensing these pills that hold them back, for now. Maybe in time 30 super carry will be a common caliber.

[@chrisroberts7000]

You have excellent taste in clips. Thank you especially for the Commissioner Gordon clip from the Adam West Batman. Great shot of nostalgia.