Does Attack Speed Affect Skill Casting Time? Testing the Effects! | THRONE AND LIBERTY |

[@JustJanwoo]

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[@omegalulkappa5640]

Not just on casting but basically every skill animation, so its really good when you want to do quicker rotations.

[@JustJanwoo]

Agreed. Damage per second weapons boosts a lot with AS

[@Tokki_kn]

I was about to ask if it effects the animation speed, thank you for this

[@Zenbot88]

​@@JustJanwoo By the way, different greatswords have different base attack speed. That base attack speed actually has a bigger impact than the added attack speed for everything else from my experience.

[@JustJanwoo]

@@Zenbot88 Yes, I agree with you. I just used that because it was easy to get for beginners at the time. Thank you for the insights

[@DannSmely]

wow, I have come across a lot of video where they never say anything new. Finally something I did not know! Thanks! u got my sub

[@JustJanwoo]

Hope it helps, thank you too

[@konradmuszalik2669]

you could do a full rotation combo with no atk speed and full atk speed and then you could see how big of a difference that is

[@pinie111]

That 0.2sec xan be the difference between getting Cc'd and interrupted or not. Also for PvE it's a big dps increase. How about you test your dps on a dummy. Test how long you need to deal 500k with attack speed and without.

[@JustJanwoo]

You are right, A.S also helps a lot in PVE. Thank you, I will try your suggestions in the future vids.

[@FraMi-bi1dk]

So high attack speed and low cooldown maybe more damage than heavy attack and crit chanc? You can try to max out both and check :P

[@InquisitionL6]

You can just do the math just calculate activations, and frequency of attacks, crit and heavy hit rate x damage / 500k

[@franz6122]

@@FraMi-bi1dk no, you prioritse on oneshotting ppl rather than more rounds.

[@JustJanwoo]

@@FraMi-bi1dk i want to try but that's too expensive for now XD I can say that attackspeed and low cooldown is good when you are in a special dungeon or soloing bosses. Heavy attack and crit is better in pvp. Erasing your opponent immediately and running away is like saitama just passing by.

[@PapaRabii]

you should test this on a weapon with high casting times, like bow or staff. bow has a passive that gives attack speed already so this will be easy to test

[@jcgl-ue5jr]

Since it's technically making every attack and animation of your character faster, that -.2 seconds of cast time can also be translated to "playing the game 20% faster"

[@TheLMBLucas]

16.7% faster, actually, but yeah, that's interesting...

[@kennyboi01]

So how much attack speed to invest? Does it have diminishing returns?

[@dariusjones8080]

Do buff duration next please

[@JustJanwoo]

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[@ondrejvasak1054]

Both death blow and Guillotine blade have large damage bonuses when striking enemy who has prone / stun, so I think the point for GS is to tune in a way you can execute the attack when CC still applies. Also I would want to see whether the base attack speed of the weapon itself makes any difference. Do the slower weapons do more damage with skill, but cast them slower? Or are the skill damage and speed independent of the base speed of your weapon?

[@JustJanwoo]

@@ondrejvasak1054 Slower weapons like Greatsword deal more damage in normal attacks. For skill damage, it depends more on the specific skill and additional traits like skill boosts. Yes, skill damage and speed are independent of the weapon’s base speed

[@ondrejvasak1054]

@@JustJanwoo You misunderstood my question. I want to campare slow greatsword with a faster great sword and see if it makes difference for skills. I do not want to compare greatsword with other weapon types. For example Heroic GS of Resistance has speed 0.709 and attack 98-140, while Duke magna's provoking warblade has speed of 0.574 and damage of 59-110. Skill are written out as percentages, for example 530% + 110 damage, so my question really is whether the 530% is based on the base GS damage, or base DPS.

[@JustJanwoo]

@@ondrejvasak1054 oh i see, skill percentages are based on the weapon's base damage (not DPS). Your Heroic GS of Resistance (98-140 damage) will yield higher skill damage than Duke Magna's Provoking Warblade (59-110 damage) because of its higher base damage. The attack speed affects how often you can use skills, but not the damage each skill deals. So, faster greatswords(attackspeed) mean more frequent skills, more rotation skills, as long as your target is still alive but skill damage is determined by base damage alone. So yes, 530% is based on the base GS damage, not base DPS.

[@ondrejvasak1054]

@@JustJanwoo I see. So atack speed also affects skill cooldowns? This would be consistent with how Lineage II worked back in the day, but they changed it later and made the cooldowns independent of attack speed. That is probably why I assumed that TL would also have cooldowns independent of attack speed.

[@JustJanwoo]

@@ondrejvasak1054 Attack speed does not reduce skill cooldowns, but faster attack speed lets you trigger skills sooner, starting their cooldowns earlier compared to a slower weapon. It's like faster attack speed = shorter animations = giving a cooldown advantage

[@Bobapink1]

How would this work with wand curses? Does it affect the dot for curses making them faster resulting in more dmg?

[@JustJanwoo]

Attack speed only affects the animation or casting time of skills, not the damage-over-time (DoT) effect of curses. The DoT damage and tick rate of curses are usually determined by the skill itself and are unaffected by attack speed.

[@Bobapink1]

@ ah got you thanks so much for the reply!

[@pedzod1761]

The aspd% will calculate with weapon base aspd it's depend on weapon too some weapon has very quick aspd.

[@JustJanwoo]

Agreed, that is the balancing of weapons in attackspeed. Greatsword for example has higher additional attackspeed over dagger because its already fast enough

[@asarawish]

This guy is someone we need

[@JustJanwoo]

I really appreciate what you said, thank you

[@linschannel_]

Hah... i was wondering why there are items with attack speed stat bonuses and no casting speed bonuses, it probably works the same for magic caster skills

[@Bambledamble]

I loaded up on atk speed and switched over to some atk range. After playing with maxed atk speed on gear and just switching over 1 piece with a -11% decrease it’s obvious on my longbow and gs. Although defense is more important in some cases. When it comes down to damage out put it’s a no brainer

[@edu5250]

i think as a sentinel atk spd is good since it will help on casting thunder and the fireball too but im just theorizing

[@JustJanwoo]

Mage needs to hit first in order to take advantage in its long range capability so your theory is possible

[@higguma]

Should've done it with a staff.... the literal slowest weapon with charge attacks.

[@englishboy993]

I agree

[@raidenle1068]

please next video with cooldown %

[@lordvaldus839]

Thank you for testing this I was building it on gs dagger. It was obvious on dagger but great sword not so much compare to sacrifice other stats. Had so many people gaslighting me telling me just build attack speed but it was barely noticeable. Think I will refrain from building it for now past 30% until t2 and runes. I like the t2 gs playstyle better anyway.

[@JustJanwoo]

Im happy to help 😄

[@GabeLovins]

I got 99 dex because the game won't let me get past 99 it's so fun

[@MrEmerald73]

Interesting video attack speed and buff durations equals high dmg.

[@Bl2EAKIN]

The biggest impact is on animation speed, not on cast timers. So for Gillotine and Death Blow, you will notice the difference in the actual attack animation, not the charging, and having even just 20% attack speed is significantly faster.

[@hallfado2363]

the blade of the great duke that gives strength and life, and the motante that is faster, when I switched to junobote my god what a difference, I wanted to go back to duke

[@JustJanwoo]

Less expensive vs a cool expensive ⚔️ 😅

[@Elivanse]

You should test that with a weapon with better attack speed like provoking blade.

[@えーくっと]

Attack speed is good for healers too?

[@JustJanwoo]

Yes, but i think an additional stat is better to stay longer or additional range.

[@desmondvillar]

attack speed has an impact not only on casting speed, it also reduces casting animation, animation lock, casting delay. also the equipment is not enough to lower your overall attack speed value to .40.. the attack speed percent presented here is only for armors and accessories, the biggest factor comes from weapon's natural attack speed value and traits.

[@wolfhowllionheart9367]

All stats have diminished returns meaning the first 20% is greater than the next 30% invested

[@kyleyu9543]

Death blow still so buggy for me, its the only skill that will get stuck in casting time.

[@JustJanwoo]

I experience this too, just try to move away or q block

[@yusufcankoroglu7760]

Same for me too and also sometimes character slides while i am charching skills, idk why

[@lordvaldus839]

It’s the range of it sometimes it will let you charge even if you a bit to far to hit.

[@Owasana]

thanks you !

[@JustJanwoo]

Hope it helps 😌

[@mrwamble]

I changed my attack speed recently and now i have a mana problem 😂

[@JustJanwoo]

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[@myrkshideouts]

so basicly attackspeed is trash and u just can take rings with more attributes instead of attackspeed like the amber or saphire ring ?? is that correct ? i mean why should people invest 2 rings and 1 glove for for 0.3 attackspeed lol

[@JustJanwoo]

Yes, In some weapons attackspeed is trash better use attribute or range stats like amber or sapphire, on the other hand weapons that rely on casting skills like deathblow for Greatsword, attackspeed helps a lot although its not enough 🤣

[@asrilhanif609]

it's basically 30% of 1seconds and ofc not a big deal, but if the charging skill is 3 seconds then 30% CDR will give you at least 0.9 seconds advantage

[@liandesert9305]

Pretty much. 10% attack speeds = 0.1s... so yeah, a trash stat unless to stack A LOT of it to cast your skills in half time, which would require for that death blow a 60% attack speed.

[@Ashnek34]

Depends on class I'd say. Maybe crossbow would benefit more than GS.

[@darius8068]

for gs this is usless i guess or just for this skill. but the game not only gs for me atk speed is good cuz i use longbow/dagger i have lot off skills with more stages.Without that atk speed i cant able to cast that fast as i needed.

[@Taoscape]

It looks like you left your attack speed accessories on, so the 50 strength didn't affect attack speed.

[@Goldes14]

papery combat system, good on paper but not felt in combat, even in Skyrim the feeling of impact is better

[@JustJanwoo]

As for me, I don’t like the targeting mechanics in this game. I hope they make it better

[@doflamingosama5723]

Attack speed not auto attack 😮

[@Asad.Mackie]

That's a scam for people who buy lucent to get the attack speed traits thinking it's making a difference when it's still 0.9 speed cap. Best to fill ur stat's with other traits once you reach .34%

[@Just0neGamer]

Then people use macros and combo (not one skill) the difference will be noticable. But you can continue to use the guillotine without charging. You clearly don't know much.

[@えーくっと]

CC time for silence, bind and stun already too long, so there is no point to invest on attack speed and that attack speed does not have too much effect too...

[@zaslayer]

Thanks

[@Skyblade_88]

all that attack speed stacking for 0.1 second .. WTF ??? human eyes cant see the0.1 sec ... i didnot even know how did u notice it to calculate how much it takes ... attack speed need to be fixed i guess ? or may be iam missing something with animation or something

[@DublinV1]

He's recording so probably counted frames

[@boscoli8402]

Imagine you with 1.2 and the enemy player with 1.1, in a game where a stun wins the fight

[@JustJanwoo]

@@Skyblade_88 That's 0.1 sec, your eyes dont lie. I think attack speed is fine, this skill is on GS only that takes 1.2sec to apply. I guess this is G.S balancing.

[@Skyblade_88]

@@JustJanwoo there is an event pvp one .. i forget the name of that event .. there is very shiny ball respown and if u take it u become like God ur attack speed become like 1000 %%% or somthing and i felt the power of attack speed .. everything is super fast .. ( i forget what this event name ) but u turn like General or somthing

[@JustJanwoo]

@@Skyblade_88 i dont know what pvp event is that, i can only think of one, its like in special dungeon than when you get the orb you become a cool shiny golden guardian with nice armor.

[@JustJanwoo]

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[@ashuraarashy]

maybe u shud try with other charging skills, flashwave or Cyclone... the difference are quite visible in my case also another suggestion, maybe try if attack range %+ actually increase skill attack range oh I also forget there is diminishing return on certain stats, and the increase is not face value for example +30% CD Speed actually translate into 23-24% Coold down reduction of a skills, while if u push harder to 90%+ CD Speed it only went into 45-48% CDR

[@JustJanwoo]

I'm still learning about the game's other character mechanics, your insights are very helpful, thank you. I will try in the future videos 👍

[@Noxessential]

Make a monster aoe gs build for pve, o pvp yolo zero diver 😂 seen some nice cross daggers dive in an burst the backlines

[@VARDUC211]

horrible description this ncsoft gives its casting time and the atk speed is for regular atk for all MMO ive played since ragnarok days almost all description and calculation is a big wack on this game

[@ajjames1960]

nah its called diminishing return i bet u never played a true balance mmo then because warframe is doing this diminishing return even diablo its like a multiplicative and addictive stats well i bet u didn't understand it anyways thats the problem when u play old ragnarok nostalgia low graphics recycle scammer game 😂

[@VARDUC211]

@ajjames1960 u r new to mmo for sure if you see a casting time is also atk speed, to all mmo that ive played atk speed and chanting time and casting is not the same but in this game all are shit now maybe u r correct for retarded players.

[@VARDUC211]

​@@ajjames1960low graphics games comming from autistic profile pic haha

[@liandesert9305]

So basically 10% attack speed = 0.1s cast time. You would need like 50% attack speed to notice some big difference.

[@sieg.4444]

It can make the difference between squeezing in an attack during a cc window, or getting cut off mid-cast and blown up.

[@LuizH.]

That is if you ignore that attack speed affects every auto-attack and every skills casting animation, not only those that have a casting time. Attack speed does way more than only giving a 0.1s cast time.

[@gampie13]

@@LuizH. attackspeed is amazing, it makes every "instant" ability WAY faster, and it especially hastens up long charge times like extraduration charging snipe or focused fireball, it's night and day. another night and day, is frost tornado from gs, when you have no attackspeed, the 12-15 attakcs take forever, but with attackspeed, it's donne in no time at all

[@MarcelinoSandroni]

The problem is GS CC LOCK is anti game and needs nerf asap.

[@ryandugan9176]

It’s called q block and collision resistance. If you a block or resist collision even once the gs lock fails.

[@JustJanwoo]

@@ryandugan9176 agreed, this is the nightmare of GS, When someone perfectly block or resist.

[@kurtcobena2174]

GS is the least of this games problem lol, what's it supposed to do? Noodle damage while people run away? It would be absolutely trash and worthless if it wasn't good at killing 1 target.

[@XProjectBluebeamX]

Purification stone into a block or cc

[@thec9424]

​@kurtcobena2174 Stun lock till death is not "good at killing 1 target." Its cancerous design. When 2 gs can stunlock infinitely, there is absolutely no skill involved. Its just pure cheese. But every game has it's cheese pvp class, so people flock to GS. High dps and hp isn't enough I guess.

[@meatfat6991]

U could make a better video

[@haarhus503]

U could write a better comment...

[@meatfat6991]

@@haarhus503 good one You got me

[@haarhus503]

GS/Dagger combo ~ gl & hf DMG from Bow/dagger 18k + sick distance ~ gl & hf ~ 99% player's dead (1% for block genius)... This game going nowhere above farming in pve...

[@JustJanwoo]

Im hoping the t2 epic will compensate for this scenario,