Does Auto-Vault REALLY Reduce FPS?

[@Gigabeef]

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[@klemintime1452]

I got informed of this and have also been looking into this (among other hotkeys). As far as my community was seeing, this difference was DRAMATICALLY lowered in online raids, but it's still worth digging into, so here we go again 😅 Great video as always! (Also you got to it first dammit lmao)

[@justinr8958]

your the guy i need to figure all this out haha

[@InertiaEFT]

HAGS+Reflex, list of guns that only need frontsight. Nvidia control panel optimizations on vs off. That's all I can think of.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

wtf is hags

[@deejay0009]

what's the nvidia control panel optimizations?

[@InertiaEFT]

@@deejay0009 There's a couple videos out there with guides on how to optimize EFT through nvidia control panel. I'm curious to know if any of the stuff actually changes FPS/latency, things like that.

[@deejay0009]

@@InertiaEFT cheers bro thx

[@recklesstv7142]

@@InertiaEFT do you have any certain videos youd reccomend?

[@Vecshan]

imagine what kind of coders they have for the hotkey thing to be existing XD

[@LuzuVlogsGamer]

You dont have to imagine its in its name Auto Vault it probably constantly checks if you are near a vaultable surface, Same with the FPS counter it constantly draws, updates the counter which requires a bit more processing power

[@Joe-kl4vu]

This is how it works in all games man.

[@F1zzzy90]

They have it coded to where it does multiple checks a second to see if you are near a vault-able surface. They should just remove the auto function and force people to use the hotkey to avoid any blowback, I can't really think of any other way to code something like that, other than reducing the number of checks that the game does

[@impc8265]

the kind that got their degree during the covid online course

[@noodlebowls8896]

Tarkov is a game with a lot of technical debt. Imagine being hired and now you have to learn and understand a code base that’s been developed on for nearly 7 years now that was maintained by like a couple of dudes at the start. I hardly imagine there’s much good documentation of their core systems.

[@QuietThePro]

I think with the metabolism thing at 5:50 , the reason you lost XP for eating one thing but ended up gaining XP when eating multiple things was because of the XP diminishing returns. Eating 1 item gives you the +30%, which gets reverted when you reset. But eating multiple things would mean you are gaining at the max diminishing returns so when you reset it to 100% you actually gain more. Math example: Say 100 water gives you 1XP In raid, you start with 130% gain. so that water would give 1.3XP But after drinking like 5 waters in a row, you would be getting less and less something like 130%, 100%, 70%, 40% 10% XP instead. so 1.3, 1, .7, .4 and .1xp.(totalling 3.5xp) But when you reset, it resets each water XP to the default, being 1xp (totalling 5xp), so gaining XP when you reset.

[@marram101]

For myth 2, did you test the different versions of the ingame fps counter? Fps 2 and 3, they add a lot more data so might cause an fps drop

[@Kobe32Bryant]

Myth 2 was a joke from nikita because the game is not well optimized 😂

[@wildgg]

AutoVault seems to have a way bigger impact in Offline than in Online Raids, Online is 1/3FPS. If you do a lot of tests/benchmarks in Offline mode than this setting can change results big time though.

[@JustMikeOnYT]

0:35 NO KILLA IN RAID. If you know you know

[@MerrStudio]

Ambient audio: Is is true that lowering master volume reduces the volume of the ambient more than any other stuff? Some people play at like 80% master volume and just make the game louder in the mixer and apparently they don't hear ambient as loud otherwise.

[@tigerleon10]

It is a myth. Lowering the overall sounds will, well, you know lower all sounds. In turn ambient noise will become less prominent but distant footsteps will also be harder to hear.

[@Birnasuc]

I think what nikita meant is that it's some extra processing that the game has to do to display the fps counter but it's negligible really

[@FutureLaugh]

this is absolute madness, can someone explain the mechanism behind how toggling a vault button would effect the FPS vs automatic? its insane

[@ThyReaper]

The game is probably running checks every frame to decide how it needs to vault while moving. Normally that sort of logic would only run when moving, but it seems like it's happening every frame regardless. These checks probably require some hefty physics queries, so I can see it's reasonable that it's a bit slow. It sounds like this is a bigger issue in offline raids, so it might be a bug specific to offline mode!

[@ikhmaldj99]

that gen4 assault neck protection coming in clutch

[@Punkninja]

More of a question then a myth, how far does grenade shrapnel travel, can you snipe with it?

[@BraindeadCRY]

pretty sure the fragments despawn pretty quickly these days. I haven't experienced someone taking damage at significant distance from a nade in a long long time. Used to be different though. The F1 in particular used to be extremely famous for head-eyesing the person who threw it if they looked towards the explosion. Was equally hillarious as frustrating. Also explains why they (presumably) reduced the fragment damage range.

[@Punkninja]

@@BraindeadCRY I've been head eyes by one I threw into lexos from the other side of the street, that's why I'm curious

[@tosfriendly]

unless they changed it or rather fixed it grenade shrapnel cant even damage you. The only thing killing you with grenades is the fixed blast wave kill zone thing. I remember someone testing this with like 10 ppl standing around 4 meters from repeated grenades and no one ever taking a single hit ever.

[@Punkninja]

@@tosfriendly this was last wipe so maybe, I'm wondering how shrapnel works since it does go pretty far and will hit things like cars or trees from a good distance

[@musicheaven1679]

I've heard shrapnel fragments passing my face from a long distance away but I've never been killed before so I have no idea if it's just audio or if there's actually shrapnel.

[@SkirkCommander]

Does enabling binaural audio decrease or increase your fps

[@MalkathiusRecord]

Will changing the fov from 50 to 75 reduce the accuracy of scopes? This was an issue 5 years ago.

[@GaboG3]

Yes !! I never got resolution on this

[@randyb4191]

One myth i heard is that the 7.62 mdr suppressed has a hearing distance of only 40m

[@dome4297]

Experienced alot of surpressed shots, that i couldnt hear, just to see that the other one killed me with that mdr

[@seppo1]

02:46

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

Myth - Grenades fire sharpnel projectiles and can hurt people from farther than listed.

[@TaylorWillis-f6w]

Myth

[@silentkl11]

not a myth as of awhile ago

[@TaylorWillis-f6w]

@@silentkl11 Wrongz

[@razielim3026]

Myth: Restarting your game every now and then to increase FPS

[@trevorcook8051]

Were both Aug3's 100% durability? Durability affects moa which I would assume also impacts what the recoil pattern looks like. It may result in the minor variations you were seeing.

[@impc8265]

the moa have little to none impact at that distance, the variation is mostly randomness in the recoil

[@Lajakill]

Myth: it is better to have high ping for pvp due to latency advantage. Have a friend who only runs on Asian servers when he lives in NA.

[@Sheir01]

This use to be a huge advantage pre inertia but now it's not as big anymore.

[@Boosted_aj]

@@Sheir01it still is. Milliseconds win or lose fights. Desync is still bad enough that it’s noticeable

[@Blowkewl]

It used to be an advantage but they changed it around 12.12.30 I think and made it a disadvantage like in cs or any other normal game.

[@tonyk6233]

Can you break down the issues with assault scopes? Primarily them having more recoil when swapping to a top mounted red dot. Example, the bravo 4x prism, with a burris red dot and also the HHS1 simply having more visual recoil than standard holographics.

[@montenegro3773]

Hey what about a video about wall and objets penetration capability, you will for sure be surprised with teh results

[@korg47237]

Auto vaulting has sent me out a window on day one of wipe because of a can or some bs, so it's been on hotkey since.

[@dome4297]

awsome videos, this could be the beginning for players to fix there fps problems, if you can collectively gather informations and share it with the community, Thank you giga

[@CssHDmonster]

best programmers in russia doing magic with the auto-vault

[@DB123infane]

What eejit pur get components on update? This is the only thing i could guess whats cause this.

[@MaximumYavi]

for a next myth video you could test the hybrid sights (HHS holos, tan and black) and see if they still add recoil to your gun

[@elracing21xD]

When I first started lighthouse I was told the rogues remember if you hurt them in prior raids and will aggro you. There system is totally one dimensional right?

[@forbo6466]

Does putting sound on 60 or 80 instead of 100 help with wind and still keep same footsteps? (or is it a myth)

[@tigerleon10]

It is a myth. Lowering the overall sounds will, well, you know lower all sounds. In turn ambient noise will become less prominent but distant footsteps will also be harder to hear.

[@MrStolenpictures]

Love this format, I think there are plenty more myths to bust.

[@araragikoyomi99]

Video game Mythbusting is one of my favorite things! Moarrrrr!

[@Der_Thrombozyt]

I have another myth: There is always another enemy. Proof: n=n+1 is a sequence that goes to infinity. Player number is limited. Hence there isn't ALWAYS another enemy. ;)

[@MerrStudio]

that doesn't make sense

[@Kayzizzle]

Having a ir flashlight and Lazer improves hip fire and having multiples increases the hip fire spread exponentially.

[@MerrStudio]

I think FPS measurement will be harder to detect than doing such a simple test, and mind you I speak in completely hypothetical terms here but I'm really surprised FPS counter didn't hit the performance because measuring performance of games, even something as basic as FPS usually impacts it negatively. Imo there are one of these three things at play: 1. At some point (or maybe always) they made that the FPS measure code is always running, only the visibility of the UI is getting toggled on or off. I'm probably reaching but there's a parameter in the Unity called Visible and even if it's off scripts are still working in the background, that's just a one way of how they could overlook this. 2. Schrödinger's cat situation - situation changes when you measure it. Maybe no matter if it's 3rd party or not, maybe Unity is using the same hooks as Afterburner does. I have absolutely no idea if that could be the case but that's just another thing that is a possibility. Obviously feelings are not reliable when it comes to testing, but sitting in one place passively and watching the number does not seem like enough of a test in this case if you ask me, maybe you experience worse dips when losing frames or longer spikes etc. 3. It actually doesn't affect the performance, at least not noticeably. Not hating on the tests of course, love you and your work and I always find you very precise and honest, just wanted to point out that the FPS thing might not be as easy to measure as it seems.

[@lidla2008]

Do your testing in online raids. Offline raids, all of the server-side code runs client-side. Even if you turn off AI spawning altogether, you're still drawing more than you would in normal gameplay.

[@Norinot1]

BSG Developers be like each milisecond of the runtime: Is something in front of me vaultable? Is something in front of me vaultable? Is something in front of me vaultable? Is something in front of me vaultable? Gosh I kind of understand because onCollisionEnter is something they might be using or a trigger effect and god damn they must have written that so poorly. But then again, maybe the performance loss is not even due to that, but due to the technical debt they have been building up for years and its starting to bite them in the ass

[@GoDoWaR1337]

1 healing in stash after raid to level skills like with metabolism 2 you dont get insurance back when you throw stuff in the water 3 package loss symbol at the start of a raid is an indicator as to whether the boss in on the map or not 4 lowering the master volume to 60% dampens ambient sound but footsteps stay the same/are better audible

[@Chilionloppu]

For the FPS counter thing, you are running in to the Observer/Probe effect. Just the act of measuring something will affect the results, and it should not matter if you use the FPS counter from Afterburner or in game. Only way to truly test it, would be use actually external tools like a camera to record and count frames.

[@MuzluPattes16]

Can you shoot through a maska's hole and get a head eyes ? I am still not sure if they updated helmets along with body armor.

[@marram101]

No. Helmets cover the head areas they say despite the visible holes or gaps in the coverage. So if it says head,eyes, the only way to get through is high pen.

[@Boosted_aj]

No you cannot. If the item says “eyes” as an armor area then it covers the eyes. For example, the shattered mask covers the eyes even tho it has eye holes. Because I’m the armor area it says “eyes”. If you bought s face shield like the Wendy and it did not say “eyes” in the armor area. Then you will get head,eyes. Make sure to inspect your armor and see where the areas are covered.

[@MuzluPattes16]

@@Boosted_aj So they have not yet made the helmet hitboxes similar to body armor.

[@ArtyTheta]

@@MuzluPattes16 Armor coverage has always worked this way, the new thing about 0.14 is that you have new coverage areas covered by the plates only. An easy way to think about it is that armor doesnt cover what you see but the hitbox listed in the "armor area" menu

[@arcticowl1091]

I'm guessing when you have it on auto the game is constantly checking if the player needs to vault which is taking up way more resources than it should.

[@HOB-GOBLIN67]

I would have said “you should check out the KS-23м and see if it truly shoots left and high” but it seems to be fixed from my gameplay with it

[@HOB-GOBLIN67]

Including the slugs

[@Romey1son]

I had it on auto but it affects a lot of trick jumps so i turned it off

[@Xerozombies0]

Myth: Playing with high ping gives you an advantage in pvp. I play NA servers. Late at night I died to a russian streamer on labs that had red ping in the 160-200 range. I showed my friend the clip and he was adamant that people play on different servers to get high ping because it gives them an edge in fights. My thought process is that high ping would make it so you die without seeing/hearing what happened because your game is lagging behind relative to other players with low ping. I'm not sure how this myth could be tested but some insight into this would be greatly appreciated!

[@chrisgos]

I don't know about tarkov because of inertia etc, but i remember a lot of Rainbow six siege pros complaining about ping abusing by people playing from SA to NA servers for example. Now siege is a fast paced game, so imagine someone swings at you or fast peeking with 150+ ping

[@Xerozombies0]

@@chrisgos My friend is also into R6 and CS and he said the same thing. I thought low ping meant faster server response which equals faster reaction time to what’s on screen. High ping would then translate to a delay in server connection and being unable to properly react. Someone with high ping should be getting shot without ever seeing someone peak a corner, but maybe my understanding of ping is completely messed up lol

[@peterwolf6221]

Boss spawn package loss myth maybe. a lot of people looking for them

[@sethington719]

Nvidia Reflex On or Off on different maps / fps. I swear, I get a much smoother experience with reflex off at high fps (which lowers my fps from 163 to 144 because of course it does), but at low fps (like streets) it feels smoother to have it on.

[@abdou.the.heretic]

Well yeah that's the point of reflex, on a compatible monitor, not only is the gpu rendering at the refresh rate of the monitor but also changes the refresh to match the gpu rendering, they meet somewhere in the middle, but I can't deny maybe bsg fucked it up

[@sethington719]

@@abdou.the.heretic No other games messes with fps when touching reflex (unless you use +boost which I don’t recommend), Tarkov is the only one. My monitor can reach 165, but tarkov locks it at 144 for everyone when reflex is off. Reflex is specifically supposed to reduce latency when you’re gpu bound, but that shouldn’t make high framerate somehow feel worse.

[@abdou.the.heretic]

@@sethington719 you are 100% wrong about reflex.

[@sethington719]

@@abdou.the.heretic Awesome! So glad you so thoroughly informed me about my misinformation! Have a nice day man!

[@abdou.the.heretic]

@@sethington719 well the fact you stated that Nvidea reflex doesn't lower your fps for better latency and syncing is just wrong, I don't know what to tell you, I also don't give a shit about informing you.

[@grand7777777777]

Another myth is m62 and 762 39 bp are bugged. Shit doesn't kill anything unless you hit the head

[@desertdwellintom]

Thanks for all the great vids

[@KoRbA2310]

The hotkey thing LMAO

[@Annathroy]

I dont even know how that is possible

[@PandaSquared]

Seems pretty straight forward to me. The autovaulter is probably checking every single frame via some expensive function, whereas hotkey only calls it when pushed. The real question is do you get a framedrop if you hold the hotkey. @@Annathroy

[@MerrStudio]

@@PandaSquared but that would be stupid, they should check it every frame space is held not literally every frame.

[@colby1398]

​@@MerrStudioWhen it's set to auto, you don't have to hold space to vault things, it just does it. But this in turn means it needs to constantly be checking, which is inefficient.

[@MerrStudio]

@@colby1398 oh my bad, then yeah it probably checks every frame

[@sebastianblevdet]

ash-12 cary handle lowers recoil than without it

[@user936]

Customs offline raid @5K resolution. Hotkey on = 44fps Hotkey off = 54fps 👀

[@sambott3902]

more vids like this pls

[@peterwolf6221]

I heard and got the feeling that there is less loot in more empty raids, anyone heard of that?

[@Grimdarkog]

Please test if you can jump on a grenade and absorb the shrapnel

[@MaxMustermann-vh9xn]

❤

[@Tommy_Kase]

I keep hearing that 7.62 M62 tracer is bugged and that it won't ever pen or hit or whatever... is it just gamers coping? actual bug?

[@w0ody16]

Wow the vaulting fps hit... 😅

[@Lumpy_Strohhut]

Finally 0FPS on Streets for me

[@K9Unit_Official]

myth2, the fps counter eats my fps by a couple. so i never use it :D

[@MangoTalksTech]

the myth or theory id like debunked is one regarding items spawn less if they are required for a quest, for example if I need CPU Fans for farming part 4, I will now have a lower chance of finding those in fresh cabinets as opposed to a friend who has either not started or completed said item quest. would love to see if there is something to this!

[@Nick-rh5tk]

Loot is generated at the start of the raid and is the same for everyone. The little loading you see while looting is just an animation to kill time for realism / added danger. Cheaters can see all the loot immediately upon entering raids

[@KeASiLeNT]

Idk why tf auto vaulting destroys performance but thank you so much turned it off and have 30 more frames on average now 42->72 i can actually pvp now on a levwl playing Field

[@chadrattington]

Can you debunk the myth that BSG wants cheaters to continue to buy accounts because holy shit this community is brain dead for that one

[@dowaa]

How would he debunk that? Just ignore these ppl.

[@musicheaven1679]

I mean if you had a lot of data on purchases and hackers you could mathematically prove it or disprove it but otherwise I doubt you'd be able to do it.

[@fulgrimventris8506]

It's their only cashflow aside from new customers, which has been tapering off for a long time.

[@SpaceRanger187]

And how streamers would never cheat for money because I watch them and that makes us bff's..

[@colby1398]

That one is literally true though. They make at minimum $40 every time a cheater has to buy a new copy. It's in their best interest to catch and ban them for both the game's health and for their wallets.

[@Chevalier_knight]

Not doing the fps counter in raid invaldatee the test to me .

[@maxzett]

Myth: people who extract camp are horrible people. conclusion: true dont need a video on that

[@Campingenjoyer]

What’s wrong with camping?

[@bo_of3112]

@@Campingenjoyer what isnt, go fishing instead. Actual scurge of tarkov (aside cheaters)

[@fuguete14]

skill issue

[@somedude1887]

Imagine being pissed off about a way someone plays a game they paid for, actual brainless activity

[@maxzett]

@@somedude1887 imo if you sit in a bush, its not playing, its camping and ratting and thats the most boring way to "play" the game, and pretty much a huge dick move. Die like a man, and not like some fgt COD kid

[@KingTropicalAlpi]

I games codebase seem to be so ass. They must be checking if there is something vaultable the entire time? I hope this changes with the transition to unity. At least I hope that they learned to code efficent by now...

[@MerrStudio]

transition to unity? this game has always been made in unity

[@tigerleon10]

The new version...@@MerrStudio

[@alexmaurice4274]

The auto vault is terrible

[@Sacrifice117]

tarkov players: "i use a grizzly to heal in my stash instead of therapist so i get exp for it" also tarkov players: "WHAT? OF COURSE YOU CANT LEVEL METABOLISM IN STASH THAT'S RIDICULOUS" like what are these people's thought processes?

[@Xerozombies0]

I mean, when you level up metabolism in stash then it's back down a level when you get into raid it's pretty easy to think that it's not working properly lmao

[@smockytubers1188]

How is this a contradiction exactly?

[@EmmaJ_462]

You get generic leveling XP for healing, which is consistent and does stay. Skill XP is counted differently stash vs. in-raid with diminishing returns.

[@smockytubers1188]

It's also significantly cheaper, in the long run. Only reasons not to do Grizzly is if you can't because you don't have flea or you find it inconvenient and tedious.@@EmmaJ_462

[@Sacrifice117]

@@smockytubers1188 why would you think you cant level metabolism in stash but you can level your healing?

[@Sickling3]

didnt know you had a 2nd channel @RandomGaminginHD had to listen twice

[@pauldat123]

Idk how a key bind relates to fps but okay.

[@colby1398]

Because on auto the game is checking multiple times per second to see if you're near a vaultable surface so it can auto-vault you over it. It's very inefficient.

[@pauldat123]

@@colby1398 Well eitherway thats pretty dumb. Its similar to how opening a menu causes massive frame drops.

[@Chebka_]

Don't want to watch the whole video, is the answer yes or no?

[@theinconsistentgamer1402]

Jesus some of you are lazy as fuck

[@gooo6807]

Yes

[@MerrStudio]

it would take you less time to watch that fragment than going down to the comment section and writing this, wtf tiktok generation man, give the guy some credit by watching the stuff you get for free

[@Chebka_]

@@MerrStudio I've literally liked and commented the video, what more do you want from me?

[@MerrStudio]

@@Chebka_ if you'd actually make some videos you'd know viewer retention is insanely more valuable than likes or comments