Does Avid Finally Get - It Or Is It Too Late

[@relaxingsounds1386]

Pro Tools is a tape machine at this point. 95% of producers who compose on a DAW use something else. Apart from the fact that subscription models are pure greed.

[@lexluthier8290]

I bought a 'personal licence' for Reaper about 5 years ago. That entitled me to free updates for 2 full versions. Currently on 6.32, I'm still on the same licence - 60 bucks. Bugs are fixed incredibly quickly, updates/improvements released regularly. For free. The user community is well-informed and friendly. The program is very CPU light - I only ever have slowdowns if I'm using a ton of sample heavy VSTs. Wnever a new version is released I can go from download to launch in 20 seconds - I have fast broadband but my PC is purely average. Reaper can even edit video. The developer (Justin) is a genius - he built WinAmp and sold it for a chunk of change, so I get the feeling that Reaper is a labour of love - he doesn't need the money - he does it because he wanted to provide an efficient and stable platform for users at minimal cost. Am I a Reaper fan-boy? Hell yes. I've never used PT but I know several engineers who work in audio and audio-visual who were all PT users. They've all ditched it in favour of Reaper or Logic. Avid is run by suits with no interest in anything but the bottom line, and they are still trying to exploit their position as 'industry standard', which was acquired simply by virtue of them being one of the first DAWs when digital was born a few decades ago. It can't last. They don't innovate, improvise, or have their users' best interests at heart. Ultimately they're doomed.

[@BLUEWATERTOO]

REAPER RULES!

[@nogoogleplus]

Any software that requires a subscription is hard "no go" for me. I'd rather even pay more but own it

[@lightafluident.9950]

Right!!!! They're about to loose out on a bunch of 💰.

[@TheJimboe11]

Been on Pro Tools since 2004 and last year got fed up with there greed. Moved to Logic Pro X and I never use Pro Tools anymore. So far I’ve never looked back

[@toomuchtoofast4533]

Me too - Logic has been a blessing

[@DavidRavenMoon]

The most annoying thing about Avid (back when I used PT) was how slow they were with macOS updates. And they still are.

[@eman0828]

In the commercial market things can be a bit different. Most Pro Commercial studios generally aren't early adopters and there is a reason for when time is money. You would be surprised how many A-Level studios running older MacOS machines and slightly older versions of Protools. There are also many studios still using the old Blue Digidesign 192 I/O and the early 2000s Apogee Rosetta converters.

[@steveha2865]

I have to agree with your discussion. As a bedroom producer I can't logically justify paying an annual subscription fee when my BMI checks and CD Baby revenues are so meager. Paying that much for bug fixes (i.e. stuff that wasn't right to begin with) is not a compelling business model (in my view). Keep up the good work.

[@BarryJohns]

Well said, thanks for watching!

[@relaxingsounds1386]

in addition to the fact that there are simply better DAWS for producing and composing.

[@gfromshankside]

I like this video. You made a great effort to remain objective and I respect that. I've used PT here and there over the years in other's facilities, but never in my own. Other DAWs have always been more stable in my experience. I don't know if it still does, but PT used to crash all the time. To me it always seems like spending more money for much less performance.

[@matthewmiller3205]

Studio One ROCKS. I started on Sonar but Switched to PT in 07 when i got a mac.. Studio One stole my Heart last year....

[@BrandNWMN]

Barry has a point. Avid's a good company (in terms of products) but leadership is messing up the good reputation. For similar reasons I'm on Studio One and don't even consider looking back.

[@RadioReactiveOne]

We’re NINE MONTHS out from Apple announcing the M1 and Avid still doesn’t support it. Nuff said. I left Avid years ago and don’t regret it.

[@jeremyryannoel]

I use PT with an M1 MBP, and most of the time it’s solid. Every now then it hangs, but not freezes.

[@eman0828]

It's not really all that important because most Professionals aren't early adopters as there is a reason, time is money. Pros don't have time for down time or trouble shooting and fixing bugs, crashes and compatibility problems. If it ain't broke don't fix it. You would be surprised how many multimillion dollar commerical studios running older Macs with slight older versions of Protools. Many high end studios are still using early 2000s converters like the oringal Lynx Aurora 16, Apogee Rosetta or the original blue Digidesign 192 i/0. Theres a local studio in my home town that still uses the MOTU HD192.

[@RadioReactiveOne]

@@eman0828 -- Oh, I'm quite aware of that. But just to set the record straight, I *am* a professional voice actor who does video production on the side (partly to promote my VO business, but I also do some for-hire work, too). Back in December, my 5-year old iMac, which was tricked out to the max when I bought it five years earlier, the damn thing bricked. Totally died. I had no other choice but to purchase a new computer. Apple had just released the new M1 Macs. I had every intention of waiting for the second generation Apple Silicon chip before I bought one, figuring the first one would be the worst of all of them. But my iMac dying forced my hand. I could not justify spending another $4K on a computer that I knew I'd want to replace within a year or so when the next generation M-series chips came out. So I opted for the low-end Mac -- the MacMini. I knew it would, at minimum, handle all my mission-critical VO work, and would probably do most essential video work I might throw at it. Indeed, it's been great. BUT...as everyone knows by now, there's a shit ton of plug-ins that don't run or won't even install on the M1 Macs that ran just fine on Intel Macs. If only I'd known. But I had no time to shop. I had to get another computer RIGHT NOW when the old one died just to keep the lights of my business on. Nobody ever considers these kinds of scenarios when they pop off about this stuff. I guess I'm just lucky. In any case, when I first switched from Avid Media Composer to Final Cut Pro and from Pro Tools to Logic Pro, I did so for the expressed purpose of knowing that whenever Apple released a new operating system, there wouldn't be that long lag time before the apps would run smoothly on the new OS. That has been the case. I don't miss Avid in the least. And there is NOTHING I would ever need to do in a multi-track audio editor that I can't do in Logic Pro. I just don't need Pro Tools.

[@HollywoodVirtualAudio]

@@eman0828 yup I’m still on OS Mojave on our main 12 Core Mac Pro. Apple is innovating faster than vendors can keep up and it’s a problem. I’ve seen studios upgrade themselves out of a good thing. And I’m in Hollywood.

[@HollywoodVirtualAudio]

Yeah but Apple’s not making it easy. First a reinvented Mac Pro with a redefined OS (Catalina). Just when most vendors figured all that out, WHAM a new Chip and yet another OS (Big Sur).

[@kennyglod7]

I enjoy your videos and commentaries! We have to do our best to make sure this videos reaches Avid’s ears! They need to watch this video!

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks Kenneth, I appreciate it!

[@iftekharulanam]

I have been married a couple of times. The marriages broke. I still have feelings for them though. Anyway, Nuendo has been the best marriage ever. However, in this marriage, understanding the partner is difficult. It is like 5 years later, I am still getting to know my partner.

[@BarryJohns]

It’s good to hear my analogy is relatable to others. It’s also sad that it’s relatable to others as well! I’m gonna hang with them as long as I continue to use my D command. But if ever have issues with it and decide to get rid of it, I’ll be making a harder choices at that point.

[@nachomolino]

Avid hasn't changed. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Some months ago, if you owned a perpetual license and let your support plan expire, you could pay and jump back into it, which I didn't because I wasn't going to pay for nothing, because most bug fixes with avid means other bugs coming up. Now with the latest version which has the most "improvements" (I use quotes because as usual, it's stuff they could have done one decade ago) you cannot jump back into getting your support plan active. You either pay your full license again or go into subscription. So they're doing it again. They are milking money from their users, it's just from other angles taking advantage of the "improvements" of their newer version. So, if you want to go into atmos and have your perpetual license support plan expired, you either buy your already existing license again or drop your license and go into subscription. Well done Avid!!

[@eman0828]

I don't think you're re paying the license that you already have. You are just buying a version upgrade maybe. Presonus does the same thing that charges $150 to upgrade your Studio One each time if you want to upgrade to a new version of Studio One that comes out but the updates are free in each version.

[@nachomolino]

@@eman0828 Yes, you are right in that sense. The main thing here is Avid won't let you jump back into your support plan. So you either get the license again or switch to subscription. Usually the user is cornered into making a huge move that will cost a ton of money in the moment or in the long run. Those are the options they always give you: lots of money or lots of money. I understand it is a business but for us it is also a business. I will stay using PT for as long as I can afford it because I like it and I'm used to it. But I am seriously considering in changing.

[@leonline3424]

i'm not a hater and i don't care either way, but if you want to stay happy use Reaper!!!

[@mikeraz594]

Reaper is slow though

[@PSDMusique]

@@mikeraz594 You obviously haven’t used Reaper

[@mikeraz594]

@@PSDMusique I used it until I realized it couldn't handle large track counts

[@cestladope]

@@mikeraz594 It can handle very large track counts. Reaper, in fact, is only limited by the capabilities of the computer it's running on.

[@mikeraz594]

@@cestladope Once I got to around 150 tracks at 96k it started to choke

[@erictorres5935]

So much emotion in this talk . Great job keep up the great content.

[@mickey533]

Good analysis of the situation. I've tried to talk to the Avid folks for years at NAMM shows and they absolutely don't listen to customers. Their arrogance might be there undoing. Only time will tell...

[@BarryJohns]

I tried the same a NAB when it was here in Orlando, and they simply didn’t want to hear anything I had to say. Really unbelievable!

[@dougroyce5784]

That arrogance is a BIG turn off. That’s why I haven’t touched it in years. 😒 He’s right about digidesign. They were better. They sold it to avid right before I was about to pick up their system.

[@NMPIN]

A little marriage counseling DROP THAT NAG!!! 😁 Get Studio One professional (version 5 has been upgraded latency issue fixed) and you will never look back. It's intuitive and comes with everything you need for basic loops through to full cinematic orchestrations, no constant upsell or subscription rorts. That is when they listen to the DEVs instead of the marketing department, it's almost the perfect DAW.

[@ELLIOT8209]

Studio One is marvelous

[@HollywoodVirtualAudio]

Lack of surround capability……. FIXED? No! Customers have begged Presonus for YEARS to provide surround but they’re not listening. Now we’ve arrived in an Immersive Audio World. Dolby Atmos, Aurora 3D, Ambisonics, etc. Studio One can’t just climb aboard in the 11th hour. Dolby for example, only allows 2 very well established surround capable DAW’s to author in full Atmos. Pro Tools Ultimate or Nuendo…… I can’t stand Avid, so I use Nuendo for big jobs, Logic for everything else.

[@eman0828]

@@HollywoodVirtualAudio Well Studio One is not a Post Production DAW which is the reason why Atmos is not implemented. Its marketed towards Music Production just like Cubase & Logic. Nuendo is essentially an upscale version of Cubase that's geared towards the Post & commerical market. Presonus would have to develop a separate Post Production DAW or a higher scale version of Studio One beyond S1 Pro for the commerical market just like Protools that has different tier levels. It's also going to be more expensive for anything that Post Production related since Post Production/Commerical DAWs are generally priced higher in the thousands.

[@jamescave7102]

Studio One is the best for me. Using outboard gear has never been so easy with Pipeline.

[@voodoojimih2712]

Been on PT11 for a long time now i will never pay for a subscription given the choices out there. I really only use it to allure clients into the studio at this point anyway.

[@eman0828]

@@davetelekom443 Unless you own an Argosy Console desk, they wouldn't notice. Lol owning an Argosy or a Sterling Modular is like owning an SSL console. Alot of the SSL boards are getting replaced by Argosy desks in control rooms and mixing rooms these days as everything is moving to Hybrid mixing.

[@g.marion5888]

I've changed to an analog workflow so I'm less reliant on software, just use DAWs for the most basic of tasks. I love not caring about needing to upgrade or having the latest version of things. I remember when Pro Tools released a free 8 track software long ago, they'd never do that now.

[@brokenegg4714]

Switched to analog after being digital for 7 years. It definitely has improved my skills.

[@DrRyman]

@@brokenegg4714 And lost 25db of dynamic range…

[@brokenegg4714]

@@DrRyman no headroom problems here, plenty of dynamics too.

[@daaaMook]

The M1 is a game changer for our industry. So much performance for so little money. I bought an M1 Mac Mini and it edits 4K video with audio like a beast - much better than my 2019 Maxxed out iMac. Like you said, a few years from now look really promising for those of us who are on the edge of needing DSP-based systems. Combine that with container based development, and it’ll be possible to run true isolated DSPs on our computers. I expect a new plugin format will follow that will solidify this new plugin architecture.

[@BarryJohns]

The future is bright!

[@StereotacticMusic]

Studio One is killing it

[@BarryJohns]

I need to try that one out, I’ve not heard any real complaints about it. Thanks for watching.

[@StereotacticMusic]

I'm trying it right now , second day to be exact and is blowing me away, so easy and intuitive yet deep for advance producers/mixer engineers...

[@carlosserrano3985]

Studio One is well priced and offers way better performance than PT.

[@StereotacticMusic]

@@carlosserrano3985 Right now I'm truly comparing Studio One 5.3 and Cubase 11 Pro. Very Very similar DAWs but I think I'll go with Cubase, ST1 have 2 functions/Options that Cubase still not have after so many years but it feels more mature in so many other aspects. I'm pretty sure it's just personal preferences here,,, Cubase is probably very aware of this 2 things and is preparing something big for version 12, so, fingers cross.

[@danielraju4458]

@@StereotacticMusic Ironically, the guys who initially designed Nuendo/Cubase are the same guys who designed S1 from scratch, after figuring out some of the architectural flaws in Cubase/Nuendo.

[@Gregorovitch144]

Seems obvious to me there are three categories of folks that still use Pro Tools. 1. Big studios and broadcasters. 2. Media composers (who only use it to export their stems to clients, they create in Logic/Cubase etc) and 3. Older musicians who got into Pro Tools years ago and know it backwards already. Unless you specifically need to know Pro Tools because you want work for and have to work with a big studio or broadcaster I cannot think of single reason to choose Pro Tools over Appleton Live, Studio One, Cubase, Logic or Reaper. Which probably accounts for why practically nobody does. Which means Avid is on a mission impossible. They can only survive by squeazing their existing but ever shrinking big studio/broadcaster market harder and harder. Until the pips squeak. If they are not already squeaking.

[@brucehathcockmusic]

Great input well spoken.

[@BarryJohns]

Thank you Bruce!

[@kylecassel8098]

Great video Barry! Very eye opening. I'm a 15+ year user and big fan of ProTools. You're completely right about their trajectory and business model. They've definitely been dragging their feet with user requested new features and updates over the years, compared to other DAW's. Hopefully someone there sees your video and they make a change for the better, otherwise their user base is gonna deplete, which I'm sure it has already since they were bought from Avid. Like you, I do occasionally use Logic for VI's and other demoing purposes, but PT has always been my #1 for tracking, editing, mixing and mastering working in a commercial studio. Hopefully they smarten up.

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks, I really appreciate it!

[@TylerRifleyOfficial]

Own a D Control 32.. I run Pro Tools Ultimate.. hardcore avid fan.. ProTools can do things for my professional studio and my clients that no other program can. There is a reason that every major studio uses avid. I love Avid! That said... screw you avid! 😂

[@Supermuso]

Curious to learn what ProTools can do that no other program can?

[@TylerRifleyOfficial]

@@SupermusoWhile ProTools may be quite burdensome to learn initially, The recording, mixing, and editing workflows you can create for yourself are absolutely miles beyond other programs in my opinion. Especially paired with a pro tools console. But I did just fine for years without one. I used Logic Pro for years, and also Studio One before switching to pro tools. While it doesn’t look as pretty and it’s a pain to figure out at first... I finally understand why 99% of professional studios are using Pro Tools and what the hype is about. That said, it took a couple years of classes and schooling for me to learn the information that truly allowed me to use pro tools beyond its basic functions. If you have the patience to learn it and really put it through it’s paces.. I don’t think you’d switch back to another DAW. If you’re not doing huge mixing projects involving more than 50 tracks then maybe it won’t make a difference to you.

[@eman0828]

I use Studio One Pro 4.5 for everything, Production, Recording and Mixing. It has a Mastering suit built into the software, perfect if you are a Producer. I don't think PT can touch Studio Ones drag and drop single window work flow. It so much faster than PT. The new wave of atmos mixing is on the way and so far Protools Ultimate and Neundeo are the only two DAWs that supports Dolby Atmos. But once Studio One and many more DAWs support post production and Atmos 7.1.4 mixing, game over.

[@TylerRifleyOfficial]

@@eman0828 As a professional mixing engineer.. speed and comfort isn’t always the first thing I look for in a Daw. And I think other professional engineers might say the same. I’m dealing with 100 tracks or more a lot of the time so speed and comfort don’t matter anyways. 😂I used to use studio one as well. Yeah maybe the routing and drag and drop features are cool and easier for people who don’t have the patience to route things themselves manually with pro tools. But pro tools can offer a customized recording and mixing workflow for me other daws can’t. 90% of The pros still use pro tools. There’s a reason for that. UA’s new DAW LUNA is AMAZING! So close to doing everything pro tools can do. But it’s not there yet. Same with logic, studio one, and everything else I’ve tried at least. For home recording, hip-hop or small projects.. any daw will work. But for a professional studio.. pro tools is the best option in my opinion. I still own Ableton And Logic, and I still use them quite often. But anything I record in logic or ableton ends up getting bounced to pro tools. As the owner of a high end facility, I just couldn’t see trying to do everything we do in another daw. Other daws can get like 80% of the way there. But that extra 20% of control, customization, the playlist features for comping.. I CANT LIVE WITHOUT THAT.

[@eman0828]

@@TylerRifleyOfficial I'm a Professional Record Producer, but also act as an Engineer myself. Working Efficiently and quickly is important during the creative process without losing the vibe. Spending a lot of time looking for sounds or trying to tweak something that takes many steps can really kill vibes and ideas. FYI you would be surprised how many top records on billboard and even the top 40 is produced in different DAWs. Producer Oak Felder is a lot like me that wears both the Producer and Engineers that doesn't use a Recording Engineer. He produced Demi Lovatos entire Sorry Not Sorry song in Logic Pro, Vocals and everything. He mixed the song in Logic Pro as well and then handed off the rough mix to his Mix Engineer. Most DAWs are cross compatible with each other that supports the AAF file format. I can littery load and open Protools sessions in studio.

[@HomeRecordingMadeEasy]

Love your channel..just came across it. Man, I was also that person who made every case under the sun to dump Pro Tools and I finally did that about 10 years ago and never looked back. Avid was such a terrible company to deal with that I simply could not deal with it any longer. However, I have heard so many people get angry with their yearly subscription and their lack of good customer support but guess what? They do EXACTLY what you are doing, they continue to open their wallet and try to justify to themselves why it’s still a good idea. So, even though I hear you loud and clear in this video, my bet is you’ll still continue to support the company with your wallet and not take bold action.. lol but it’s all good my friend. Again, love the channel and keep up the great work you are doing.

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks for your comments, agree on PT completely. It’s funny, your video was a what inspired me to look into SSL’s plugins,!check out my video on the SSL UC1 which wouldn’t have happened without you. Funny how that works. You also have a great channel by the way!

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks for your comments, agree on PT completely. It’s funny, your video was a what inspired me to look into SSL’s plugins,!check out my video on the SSL UC1 which wouldn’t have happened without you. Funny how that works. You also have a great channel by the way!

[@HomeRecordingMadeEasy]

@@BarryJohns I have watched most of your videos. You are doing a great job. You should have many more subscribers. I’ll be sharing your channel for sure. Thanks for supporting me as well. I am a huge SSL fan and have been for a long time. Funny, I was watching your “I need faders” video and I was thinking I wanted faders so much that a surface control just wouldn’t do it so I actually purchased an SSL Origin console. Lol. Not kidding. I have started a 2nd YT CHANNEL which will be all about hybrid mixing. It’s called MIXING MUSIC ANALOG. stop by and subscribe. Lots of content is on the way and I would love to have your support and feedback as thing progress.

[@BarryJohns]

Can you send me a link, when I search for that title all I see is tons of mixing videos but for some reason yours was not one of them.

[@HomeRecordingMadeEasy]

@@BarryJohns kzbin.info/door/do-_rNz40Qq0JHrzM5uccg

[@perhoier2881]

Thanks for your thoughts. I’m totally with you. I dropped AVID a long time ago, where it was already way overdue. I was not even an Ultimate user. Rather an LE user back in the day, where I had all generations of their crappy MBox interfaces during the 00’s. Litterally no support to those systems. The 3rd gens was decent soundwise but their crappy drivers were never upgraded. In fact it was way more stable with Logic or any other DAW’s than Pro Tools. Suddenly it got too much when the subscription shite (sorry) came, and I managed to switch to Logic Pro and stayed on the MBox 3 Pro until upgrading my mac a year ago where I bought Apollo and UAD. A completely different league btw. I do however have a VM running an old MacOS for opening old Pro Tools sessions if needed. A bit wacky sometimes, but it works for basic stuff. In order to finalize an old project I might need to buy into a temporary subscription. Not looking forward to it. But that’s why I checked your video, and like you I hope that AVID is finally starting to “get it”. Let’s hope for the best. Thanks very much again. 😀

[@lightafluident.9950]

My Mbox Pro 3rd generation is a TANK!!!!! Still going after 7 and a half years!!!!! And I've only used one mic pre on it this whole time!!! I don't even use that now that I track through external hardware.

[@CODEOFCONDUCTENT.]

Luna is what I switch too. It's still updating it's Daw but I love it!! The sounds that come out of that is amazing to me

[@LosGxd]

Luna is definitely a beast already

[@CODEOFCONDUCTENT.]

@@LosGxd yes it is!! but you can't side chain yet on it but hopefully they can add that in there daw, but definitely a beast!!

[@AlextheBant]

Honestly, i've used reaper and Cubase for years and have tried Studio one, going back to Protools felt clunky and quite frankly outdated. Cubase has much easier and elaborate midi editing, both reaper and Cubase have much easier routing IMO, other daws just have plenty of modern functions that make workflow much easier. And that at a fraction of the price of protools. No offense to everyone using Protools. But at this point i'm convinced Pro tools is only there because it had been around so long and that's about it.

[@BarryJohns]

You are correct, that’s why I’m still there, but mainly I’m invested in their hardware. PT has and likely never will be a platform for virtual instruments. MIDI implementation has always been terrible which is why I use Logic. Thanks for watching, check out my other videos of you are interesting!

[@Vikotnick]

Studio One here. I will not go back to anything else. For me, it changed everything. I remember back in my studio we had protools and I always thought... "It's just a matter of time". I even have an octocore UAD with loads of plugs. I don't even use it anymore. For me, Avid kinda missed their chanse. They were number one and slept on it and that is both a pitty and a good thing because any kid with a small laptop can now do ANY kind of music. Oh, especialy with a threadripper with 47 processors and 32 GB ram and a great SSD. That is a lot of power. I still have not reached my limit on VSTs that I have loaded at the same time.

[@nulodgerecords4861]

Hail to the Reaper! Finally started making music again after switching from ProTools!

[@225maine]

@@Vikotnick studio one vs 5.3 here...studiolive 32s apollo x16 plus 500-Series Modules...I'm happy

[@elpmettsol]

Honestly, I think Nuendo/Nuage is a better mouse trap.

[@225maine]

Love my apollo x16 and 16 500-Series Modules

[@armandodiaz3485]

Hey Barry I am enjoying your You Tube program and it’s topics including this one! I recognize you being an old “DUC” member. We’ve crossed paths multiple times. Didn’t know you’re a fellow Floridian! I’m still on a HD4 Accel system and have held off for the reasons expressed in this video. Even now I’m having a hard time justifying going HDX instead of Carbon. My problem with Carbon is will it integrate with control surfaces, the Sync, other Avid interfaces, etc…They don’t make it easy on us. Looking forward to future videos!

[@BarryJohns]

Hey man, hope you are doing well! That HD4 gets the job done, you are not missing much. I live just outside Orlando, been here for 11 years, I work at a hotel here. Thanks for the feedback, I’m trying to keep it real as I can. I enjoy making the videos, even if no one ever really watches.

[@armandodiaz3485]

@@BarryJohns Thanks! I highly doubt that no one’s watching! Keep the new episodes coming!

[@DelToroBeats]

A real professional talk. Thanks so much!!🙏🏽 subscribed 😎

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it!

[@stevenllewellyn3978]

Great video Barry, and i couldn't agree more. I'm in the same position as you. I do a fair bit of work mixing film and tv and so need the surround sound feature in PT HD. I pay £80 p/m for that which is quite frankly ridiculous. I really feel like i'm getting ripped off. But jumping to another DAW seems like an enormous task when i'm busy with work and not sure other DAWs will work within a film and tv workflow with editors.

[@davidcollins984]

I run PT native. I brought the perpetual licence, I wanted just to own it forever. As Avid's PT updates don't seem to be that big I just pay for support every two years, e.g. I get latest upgrades and support every two years. this works for me just fine.

[@FirebrandVOCALS]

Using Logic Pro X here, currently learning Reaper………… But Love Logic Pro

[@CHIG5748]

Great video. Glad to hear I’m not the only frustrated user. I have an iMac with 32 gig of ram. But I read an article that said Pro Tools limits ram to 16 gig within a session. Is this true? And I agree, poor management

[@Justin1524]

Hi Barry - I'm so, so appreciative of this video, you really captured the essence of how so many of us feel. We're at such a turning point, you mentioned your 2012 Mac and I'm sure you feel the desire to upgrade it to M1/M1x/M2 when the timing is right (aka, when you're sure the software is solid and Apple puts out the latest iterations). Carbon is a wildcard for me, it's too expensive at $4,000 and I'm not totally sold on the ethernet AVB choice vs. Thunderbolt, nor the I/O options. I'm seriously considering eventually replacing my maxed out 2010 cheese grater with HD Native card with a M1/M1x/M2 and a Presonus 4848 which gives me just the straight 32 analog IO (plus an additional 16 ADAT I/O) at only $1,500 over TB2. Will I be happy? I hear you about latency but maybe this will just conquer all in the end. And maybe I can get off Pro Tools onto Studio One Pro - I've been trying, honestly, Pro Tools is still my go-to, just really hard after using it over 20 years. For me, Avid needs to really bump up innovative features to earn my $400 a year, namely: true Melodyne ARA2 integration, include features like what VocALign offer, develop new VIs, plugins and virtual mixing consoles (not third party but actually built into the pro tools - imagine if you could have different console emulations. Avid has done so little to be innovative with our money, your comments about paying for bug fixes are so, so true. I will give AVID a nod for their routing folders and track presets features, useful. .But how about a really good plugin manager, one that allows us to easily switch on/off groups of plugins and organize them and weed out the bad ones that we all know can lead to instability? How about a faster launching Pro Tools (compare to Studio One, what a difference). Please keep these videos coming Barry and thank you! Justin Arey Portland, Oregon

[@azeguitarist1]

Love Pro Tools as well, however based on the recent history of Avid I keep a version of Harrison Mixbus just in case things get worse.

[@BarryJohns]

Understandable for sure! Thanks for watching brother.

[@jeremyryannoel]

Mixbus gets better with every update, and V7 imports PTX files which is great…though not perfect. I’ve been using 32C for live streaming mixes, and it’s just solid with rarely loading plugins! What I like about PT is there’s a keyboard shortcut for practically every editing function. I got used to the editing functions, but man does 32C and Ableton are giving a run for its money!

[@Orpheus.Machine]

Words that pop into my mind : - Pro Tools : Boring, stuck into the mixer paradigm, expensive, the past ... - Bitwig : Creative, fast, intuitive and efficient way of working, you pay when you want an upgrade, the future ...

[@BoAakerstrom]

Perspective is good. I haven't got the time for the DAW wars that are currently all over interwebs. Just use what will get the job done as long as you are happy using your chosen DAW.

[@RichbergEnt]

After loosing my perpetual license because i didn't do an update in Dec!!!....I feel like they left me. I didn't walk away from them, they walked away from me. Im to busy at times to keep up with every news or new changes they make without me looking for it. That one caught me off guard when i finally went to get a renewal code. Im pissed they downgraded me to a subscription. Im not sure ill renew yet. Smh

[@BarryJohns]

I can understand your frustration…..

[@RichbergEnt]

@@BarryJohns Thank You....And to add extra clarity. The reason I missed my update was because i was mourning the death of my grandfather whom died from COVID, while also trying to help my family plan a family reunion that honored the social distancing guided line suggestions. So yes...a lot was going on for me.

[@BarryJohns]

Man I am so sorry, that evil disease has taken too much. I hope for healing in your family. All the best brother.

[@thegroove2000]

Too late.R.I.P Avid.

[@mephistowalzofficial9970]

Hold on, regarding latency, Presonus has a separate "engine" for channels in record. It is not like Cakewalk where it was at the end of the chain. Recording Vox and synths are as fast as your CPU can handle the separate engine. The rest doesn't matter if it is buffered 200mS in advance.

[@BarryJohns]

That’s a workaround, and if you need to be able to track through nice reverb‘s and other plug-ins you have in your DAW, you can’t do that that way. Only a UAD interface in addition to AVID DSP lets you do that. Just about every Interface out there allows for some form of no latency recording, but you have to use a GUI in front of your DAW, that’s just another thing that slows you down. Many DAW‘s allow you to freeze tracks, but again that can be a hassle having to freeze and unfreeze just to do an overdub. Once a person has worked with a DSP based system for recording, be at universal audio, or avid, it’s hard to truly appreciate how amazing that can be, will you have no distractions whatsoever whenever you need to track anything. You simply just don’t ever have to think about your computer, or buffers. Those luxuries come to a cost, DSP is not inexpensive, to have that luxury, you have to invest quite a bit. But for those that have it, they consider that investment invaluable to the creative process.

[@Journeymanlive]

Logic Pro finally fixed delay compensantion on look-ahead plugins and buses, adding to all the value of intruments, super compatibility with M1 and all it's power, unreal.

[@PhilRichardson44]

Pro Tools user, but also Ableton Live - I find I have more trouble with latency when it comes to live instrument recording in Ableton than in Pro Tools, so it is my first choice still for drums, guitars, bass etc.

[@richy2496]

20 plus Years using Pro Tools as a Producer and one year ago finally ended after I discover Reaper where I have written thousands of lines of scripting codes and made my own custom features including custom UI.

[@drwhiteguru]

I've used pro tools for 25 years but in the last 10 years I have an old system on an old Mac pro that is a time machine for obvious reasons. I have been using logic lately and I have to say I really prefer the pro tools user interface and experience it's so much faster for what I do which is a lot of dialogue editing and I've been contemplating buying a new pro tools rig and paying the $400 a year I think it may be worth it just because I enjoy the experience of working in pro tools and I know it inside out. Thanks for making this video I really appreciate what you had to say.

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks Tim, I appreciate it!

[@studiogerk]

Avid runs their business like it’s still the 90s. They are very very slow to adopt new things, they couldn’t care less about innovation and they are just in it for our monthly vig. They are going the way of tape and it couldn’t be soon enough. I was also a very early PT adopter. Once upon a time it was amazing and groundbreaking. Now … they are just lazy and lagged very far behind. I only keep a copy around for legacy purposes these days. I happily use Studio One, Logic and Digital Performer. I just can’t handle the bugs anymore. And as for bug fixes … they really don’t do much of that either. I have bugs I filed decades ago that never got addressed.

[@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION]

At this point, I think those who use Pro Tools, will continue to use Pro Tools..With that said, there just too many DAWS for song creators that superseded Pro Tools. If I get a project that started with Pro Tools, I'll continue with it. However, Logic Pro X is my go-to weapon of choice.

[@BarryJohns]

Protools is only good for song creators if they do all analog recording. Any work in MIDI/VI, it’s never been more than barely good enough to do basic work.

[@DavidRavenMoon]

Back in the 90s when I was going to get a new DAW to replace DECK II, I went with Cubase because Pro Tools had no real MIDI support worth talking about. I did use Pro Tools M-Powered from version 4 to 9, but then the upgrade price was twice what I paid for it! So I went back to Cubase. Around 5 years I started using Logic. Even though I don’t use many software instruments these days Logic is my main DAW. I’m a songwriter/multi instrumentalist that records at home.

[@BarryJohns]

@@DavidRavenMoon it’s apparent, you and I are from the same generation. I remember when Cubase was strictly a midi program only, and had no audio recording abilities.

[@JayEm312]

Protools used to be my go to. Way too many errors back then. Then switched to fl studio then reason. Never looked back. Giving it some thought lately. Maybe?

[@BarryJohns]

Try it via monthly subscription for a month to see if it’s worth it to you. If not you can cancel and walk away, or cancel and buy it, or continue monthly. If what you have e now gets the job done, you have to ask yourself, will any new DAW improve my efficiency and/or help me be more creative.

[@DevilBirb]

My main line of work is in post production so I've been kind of stuck with it. Anyone have good luck with swapping to another DAW for post work? I've heard some good things about Nuendo but have never tried it.

[@FoundSounds51]

I've used Nuendo for post work for years. I prefer it and a lot of tools like ADR cuing and reconform are part of the package. I spent 20 years in big studio video game production.

[@tonybonestheproducer]

Try reaper, stick with it for a week. (Even if you don’t feel like it) trust me you will never look back. It’s so so sick. There’s a reason everyone who uses Reaper doesn’t stop going on about it 🤣

[@BigStereoVR]

Barry: you are paying industrial DAW price, for a consumer DAW?! Why not just move up and get all the industrial features?

[@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat]

I adopted Studio One at version 2 and have never been disappointed.

[@BarryJohns]

At some point I’m gonna have to give that a try, because I keep hearing nothing but great things about it.

[@ELLIOT8209]

Studio One is great

[@karymwillemsen5564]

When I saw the titel of this video I needed to see it. I am trying to find a really good reason to start using protools again. Just because I mix and master for many different people. I own almost every daw just incase I get a project folder. I don't own pro-tools because of many of the reasons you just mentioned. I want to but I need a good reason to justify the costs.

[@monkeysinmygarden]

When my perpetual license expired and I discovered they would no longer allow me to renew my licence, the only option being to pay a monthly subscription, that was the final straw for me. I moved to Cubase which is a much better written piece of software. It doesn't crash and can do everything Protools can

[@BarryJohns]

I used Cubase back at version 3 if I remember, even back then I really liked it.

[@monkeysinmygarden]

@@BarryJohns Cubase is a great piece of software but I was happy working in Protools. I moved purely because of Avid's business model. For many such as myself Protools is easily replaced, I didn't want to change but it wasn't hard. If this wasn't the case they may gain more traction with their subscription business model but it is.

[@kadiummusic]

Too late. The horse 🐎 has bolted. They had me for over 20 years and in the end the product sucked and they were charging the earth for it. Presonus Sphere with Studio One is simply a magical place to make music. It costs about £3 a week and you get EVERYTHING! Superb DAW, incredible integrated mastering suite, notation, all the many plugins, EVERYTHING! Updated, renewed and added to all the time and it looks gorgeous! Avid had me in the grip of their hand, now I'm free! 😎

[@VJBEATS-bq2nb]

Bitwig 4 and studio one 5 are the best DAWs for me!!!

[@caspermaster-com]

Common misunderstanding about reaper is cognitive bias of "inference" (price = quality) If the price was the same between all daws today and I had to get one it would probably be luna and secondly reaper. protools wouldn't make the list

[@BarryJohns]

At some long I need to get reaper just so I am familiar with it. I’ve heard it’s come a long way since it came out. Luna can make a lot of sense if a person is deeply integrated with UAD plugins.

[@caspermaster-com]

@@BarryJohns Check it out! try the double click for a new track, and drag and drop sends that automaticly get named by trackname, and reaper don't care if you wanna use a mono,stereo or midi info on a track :)

[@Screaming-Trees]

The latency point cannot be overstated. There is still a world of difference with something like Carbon and native. That said, the M1 took a big bite out of DSP when it comes to latency. That thing is incredible. As of right now though something like Carbon is soooo worth it. It resolves latency issues effortlessly and you can load it up with plugins while tracking without introducing latency which is a potential game changer because you can start using all kinds of effect during tracking. A lot of the time I'll write a melody and it's effects dependent at least to an extent. It would be so much easier if I could just track it with the dependencies in tow rather than have to imagine and hope I can make it work later. If you can't swing Carbon then going the M1 route will get you a little closer.

[@BarryJohns]

Do you know there’s a lot of people that say DSP-based systems are not needed anymore, and that’s mainly because they’ve truly never really experienced using a DSP-based system. Once you get a chance to use one, especially to its potential, the benefits are obvious.

[@Screaming-Trees]

@@BarryJohns Really? Yeah that's probably lack of experience and thus lack of perspective like you say. I have a fully loaded 2020 iMac i7 with 128gb of RAM. It's meant to be the pinnacle of Intel's offering as far as single core performance is concerned. I like to compose with just a piano VST and a microphone. It's fast and doesn't get in the way. I can usually instantiate it quickly enough so as to not interrupt the flow or lose the moment for lack of better expression. The thing is I can't do this with the aforementioned iMac at 32 buffer. I load up Kontakt, press a few keys and the whole thing just craps out. You back off the keys and the CPU recovers then you press a few more and it renders it for a bit maybe. Then craps out again intermittently. It's just unusable basically. My little M1 mini can do it even through Rosetta so that's at least promising but Carbon offers a sure thing. Just load it up with whatever you need and enjoy latency free workflow without your computer crapping out. It really has to be experienced to be appreciated I think like you already pointed out :).

[@troutstudio]

Thanks for the video, I found it very interesting and informative. I don't "hate" any tool I use. It's like preferring a straight blade over a Phillips head. When I use ProTools, I am always intrigued that it became an industry standard. I know it's robust. The hardware was always good. But if you use other DAWs, it's just horrible to look at and really clunky to use. It's like it's stuck in a time warp. When I get mixes done externally, I now look for engineers who use Cubase because I don't want to go through the pain of exporting all the files and checking them in ProTools. It's excruciating! All that aside, it's a heck of a lot of money if you compare it to say - Slate. Recently Steinberg asked in a poll if their users would use a subscription service. I'd love to know what the response was to that. I like my Slate subscription a lot because it's serious bang for buck. But US$400 a year? I can't justify that myself.

[@MarkSturman]

Dear lord, you speak my mind.

[@EDAPE]

Protools guys are like battered wives with Stockholm syndrome

[@recordman555]

Yep _ I felt "married" to Protools also. it was (is) the platform taught at American River College. In fact, the instructor for that class is Frank Cook - the very author of Avid's textbook! Too late? Yes. I have ditched Protools for Logic, and I'm never looking back.

[@jeffboyd7719]

I was Avid's guinea pig when 001 came out. Seeing Avid go to subscriptions for free upgrades and support seems they put the price of doing business back on the consumer.

[@BarryJohns]

I also had a 001! The biggest difference today vs then, one was Digidesign, now it’s Avid, two very different philosophies, sadly.

[@grahamjohnston8489]

Carbon is nice but you can’t expand it & it doesn’t have AES/SPDIF so it doesn’t play nice with others (deliberately) I love the work flow in Pro Tools and I’ve been on it since V6 but I’m looking for ways to get out. I have UAD Apollo’s and Luna is an easy switch because it uses PT keyboard shortcuts. It’s not there yet with no sidechain, outboard inserts or control surface support but I’m sure UAD are working on it night & day. I think using multiple DAW’s is just a fact of life now? LPX, PT, Luna, S1, whatever, you pick the one that’s going to solve your problem the fastest.

[@unc1589]

Avid is gonna ride pro tools till the wheels fall off. They have no reason not to. They’re a nose in the air company that still thinks it’s 1997.

[@GeoZero]

Avid looks like it's stuck in the early 2000's in terms of look and function. It was a pretty closed system and they are trying to justify their existence. Logic Pro X and Presonus Studio One 5 have come a super long way. Many other DAWS also. I cannot justify any monthly or annual fee for their bug fixes or bragging rights. For my creativity and songwriting I go to Studio One Pro 5.

[@BarryJohns]

I think you’re right on all fronts!

[@boomish69]

So right Logic has had its day

[@GeoZero]

@@boomish69 ProTools has had its day. LogicPro is still a very viable alternative especially in orchestral/film music. Since stems can easily be exchanged, the actual DAW is less meaningful outside of some features here and there. Most every DAW have their own plugins, and there is a plethora of 3rd party plugins, so again there is less need for an expensive-subscription based DAW in my opinion. Having external hardware to run a DAW or plugins may have been necessary in the past, but less so now with powerful computers. And all real pro studios are still using consoles, rackmount gear and 500 series units for processing signal. Pro Tools may still have a foothold in pro level studios but anyone can send a stem done in another DAW. It's like sending a PDF file. You don't have to have Adobe to read it as there are many other alternatives.

[@eman0828]

AVID does indeed still sell perpetual licenses for Protools that's only sold through their distribution stores such as Guitar Center or Sweetwater. So if you don't want to pay a subscription then buy a permanent license.

[@eman0828]

@@GeoZero Most DAWs are cross compatible with each other that support the AAF file format. I can open Protools sessions in Studio One as long as the sessions are saved as an AAF file.

[@DeadOriginal]

You are great! Keep this great content going 👍

[@BarryJohns]

Wow, thank you so much for that encouragement I really appreciate it! Thanks so much for watching!

[@clauderobinson1161]

I can’t get in touch with anyone from avid, I want to upgraded from protools 2018, to ultimate 2021 Native HD protools. I have the education version of protools. How can I get with Avid without a subscription thx

[@BarryJohns]

I think the only way they do education versions is through monthly subscription. Ultimate for education is around $32 a month.

[@menelik23dedon]

Do you remember how stable 5.3.1 pro tools was, honestly i jumped from version 6 to version 12, i think the trouble started with version 7, it’s the number one rule with pro tools, if it works don’t upgrade or downgrade, it best to buy a new computer, it seems like pro tools was using come early form of limited A I that learned your environment, but had a problem adapting to new data, I don’t want to get into it but I would like to say that they should seek out input from seasoned users, because I’m sure we know about the history of the quirks that a recent college graduate would have no idea about

[@BarryJohns]

I do remember. I can say that PT 8 and 10 were solid as a rock to me. I used both with TDM, beyond that has been very inconsistent. Thanks for watching. The problem with Avid is they have never listened.

[@FRANKRICECOLD209]

I Got Both Protools and Cubase in The 90's With a Mac 2600 Computer and Just Starting Out Not Knowing Any Thing About Recording and Protools Was Hard But Cubase Was Easy For Me To Learn So i Have Only Used Cubase Since

[@nickperez_]

Where has this dude been!!!

[@elpmettsol]

Honestly, I think Nuendo/Nuage is a better mouse trap. Especially for mixing in Dolby Atmos!

[@zorroinhell5549]

Ive been getting into Luna, and Im moving forward with Universal Audio Luna in my studio.

[@LaNardoB]

Thanks for the video Sir…

[@BenLukemusic]

Honestly Pro Tools gets in the way

[@mixc8]

My problem as a Native HD user it was costing me $1k per year to renew my subscription. I stopped[ on 12.8. I to had my up's and downs over the past 10 years with PT. Constant crashes during sessions etc. As a studio owner I do run multiple DAW's; this was due largely because some years back I couldn't get past the "Drive is not fast enough" error I was getting from PT. That drove me crazy and cost me hours of client session time. Fast forward to today my PT system has been pretty stable. It still use PT a lot because I deal with a lot of high end clients who have the budget to go to commercial studios who are still using PT. True my home based clients use other DAW's but the commercial studio's on the most part are still using PT. I said to myself I my upgrade PT one more time so I am current but it will be the last time. I have been checking Harrison's Mix Bus lately for in the box mixing, I will admit I do mostly everything outside the box since my studio is mainly hardware based. (And yes I still record to tape LOL sorry old school and still love it) I basically only use DAW's for editing unless a client has their session from another DAW's on a usb.

[@BarryJohns]

All I can say, is I’m jealous for the completely analog workflow. PT 8 and 10 were the most stable for me on TDM. My recommendation would be to try the month subscription that you can cancel anytime if you think you want to upgrade, but like always, if it ain’t broke, so you really need to fix it. There have been new features implemented, but not sure they will improve your workflow considering you are mainly in the analog world. Food for thought.

[@mixc8]

@@BarryJohns Thanks Barry I think I will give it a try. I just want to go up to PT 2018, I am like you PT 12.8 is running fine for me so I really don't want to touch it. By at least going to PT 2018 I can get the Ultimate version. And I am very lucky that I built my studio round hardware because it gives me many options on way I record. I basically use DAW's just for editing most of time unless a client comes with there session on a thump drive.

[@ThatDarnGenius]

I agree with everything you stated in this video.

[@eaccin]

PT user since 2000 with DIGI001...Paid a lot of money for upgrades all these years, CPTK, etc...Last year I surrendered my perpetual license to force myself to migrate to another DAW. Learned Reaper, Logic and Studio One. nowadays I'm mixing in Studio One, still miss some PT features and workflow though. Let's see how it goes...

[@BarryJohns]

I’m so invested, I need to hang on to PT, so I’m going to remain hopeful, but I am also a realist.

[@krkbeats007]

Never been a huge fan, been using on and off for years. Have noticed the changes. I think avid has been forced to make changes due to increased competition. But I definitely noticed the changes. I think they noticed UA and Luna…

[@eman0828]

Theres a big draw back with luna. Its proprietary hardware depended on. You can use any 3rd party converters like an Apogee Symphony I/O or a Lynx Aurora (n). You are basically locked into the UAD ecosystem that's closed. Studio One has a edge that can used with any interface or system rather its AVB, Dante, Thunderbolt etc...

[@evedoesyoutube]

I think Luna is really the future of DAW's. UA is killing it right now with how they're handling it. I don't see anyone else doing what UA is doing.

[@BarryJohns]

I definitely agree for those that are in the UA platform, it’s definitely compelling to go with Luna.

[@jorgedejesustejedavaldez5283]

I think that Pro tools is not according to the time we’re living it at this moment. The DAW doesn’t offer something new to the audio industry at all and for home producers is not appealing at all. At this moment they are living cause of his reputation, and not for the value they are bringing. Is not a bad DAW, but they could do much more, and everyone knows that, they stop of being competitive and that you see it if you see every update of DAW like logic, Ableton, studio one and Cubase. For example Cubase, have a time that they become like pro tools in some way and people where leaving the Software for Studio one but they’re innovating and trying bring news things to the users to be much more appealing for all the news producers that are coming. I have 21 years old and all of my colleagues only use pro tools for recording just because is the main DAW for the big studios. But they are using Fl studio, logic, Ableton and studio one for everything else. And the new generation doesn’t feel attractive to pro tools, something that was happening to Cubase until the last 2 years. Good video also.

[@BarryJohns]

Very good points and I agree with them all. I appreciate you watching!

[@meanguitar]

As entertainment continues to move away from tv and movies into gaming I think Reaper will continue to grow and grow its already the standard for gaming, as we lose more and more traditional passive entertainment I think the standards of the game industry will ultimately become dominant.

[@BarryJohns]

It will take decades for Gaming to become dominant if ever, mainly due to the fact it’s still a generational thing. The percentage of the population that games is still small. If you take 6-30 years old that percentage is very high, 30-40 medium, 40 and on, a very small percentage. I have no interest in it as I’m older, I have three teenagers at home, of only one spends a lot of time gaming, one not very little and the other that has a balanced life of passions. As far as moving away from Traditional entertainment that also will take a long time, again a generational thing. Now where that all changes across the board will be when AI and Quantum Computing becomes a mainstay, entertainment will change forever. It is interesting that you say reaper is very popular for creating gaming music, if you are accurate, I personally think that’s pretty cool.

[@meanguitar]

@@BarryJohns That is true AI is already changing things in a big way rather than ask a bunch of producers for a cue within 5 years the editor will type in a text description into their video area and get a cue that perfectly matches their description with no need for a compose, performer or audio engineer.

[@BarryJohns]

@@meanguitar yeah we’re going to see technology blow up once that becomes main stream. It’s not that far away though.

[@thomasfokas]

UAD (for latency-free tracking) and Apple Silicone (for thousands of native mixing plugins) is the future.

[@Journeymanlive]

UAD's underpowerd dsp is the past already. and the plugin are tracking at low latency, not lactency-FREE.

[@perhoier2881]

There’s latency in all processing. Just way less than when tracking with native plugins. And the power of UAD lies in their modelling. Still the very best. Though what’s second in lines are closing in on them, and more than enough for most users.

[@Journeymanlive]

@@perhoier2881 I'm now tracking with Logic's stock plugin: no latency and great emulations. I sold all my UAD and baught Metric Halo. I also own of lot of UAD's catalog in a native format ( brainworx, Elisia etc). on an M1 Mac. 2014 had more perks for UAD, in 2021? WAY less. they still have nice little perks, but it's already the past to me. to each is own! as long as we have fun and make cool music.

[@perhoiermusic3092]

@@Journeymanlive. Personally I do believe they still have lots of percs even in 2021. And here I consider the UA developed plugins. (The BX stuff is the same in Native which I also have a lot of. So many crazy-cheap offers from PA). But there's a certain deepness to UAD. Not always something you catch right away, since all the tools we got today really is that good. But thing is; you can sort of push them further. Drive them harder. Or if I use a long chain of UAD plugins, they are less bound to break compared to others, simply because they got that modelling so right That's really what the digital thing is about; to do all the nonlinear stuff that happens in real life, in the exact right way. Try to align a line of Waves plugins for instance, and you'll see them break before you know. Harshness and small weird artifacts, due to more incomplete modelling start to occur, and accumulates along the way. It's really quite amazing. But yeah I'm also pretty detail-focused in general. Anyway each to his/her own, as you say. There's such an amazing amount of options to turn your ideas into real life, and it's definately not the quality of your tools that determinates the success rate. At least not in the ears of the listener. :)

[@Journeymanlive]

@@perhoiermusic3092 respectfully this is an argument of 7 years ago. Today Black Rooster, Lindell Plugins, Leapwing, Oeksound, XLN audio, Fuse Audio, they all have genius coders that used to work for UAD by the way. UAD is in a sea of stellar plugins. oh and PULSAR AUDIO ? my gosh how freaking brilliant is the 1178. I'm very glad I got a lot of money back selling UAD to by other plugins. I'm happy with my plugins, AND Metric Halo. if you are with yours, we are all set even if ye don't have the same tool. cheers

[@jorgedejesustejedavaldez5283]

“I’m here to see the comments throwing hate to AVID “😂😂😂😂😂. Some people just enter to a pro tools video for that 😂😂😂

[@BarryJohns]

I tried to avoid that, but there are good reasons for some people to do so.

[@Threemicsrecords]

So, what exactly Avid is doing now, that we should be exited about?

[@BarryJohns]

Both Carbon and the Hybrid Engine. Those are not for everyone, but there are a great deal of us that love that aspect of what they are doing. The average home studio will never need either of those features.

[@Threemicsrecords]

@@BarryJohns Thanks Berry. Looks like after all, it is still for bigger studios, not for average Joe, but I cannot complain; it is still better, than what one could get 10 years ago.

[@QueEstaPasando_YT]

Awesome Vids, subbed!

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks man, I’m shocked at how many views my few videos have gotten. I thought maybe a couple hundred, but nothing like this…..I hope I can keep it up!

[@TheBigViktor]

I don't understand how the name of the program can have the word PRO if I constantly encounter glitches and freezes. It's just horrible. I tried to become a user of this DAW (before that I worked with cubase, studio one, now with reaper) being influenced by the marketing vibe (industry standard, used by top engineers) but it's just ridiculous. I feel very sorry for these poor people who have been tied to this garbage for years and cannot leave it.

[@Johnwilkinsonofficial]

tantacrul has entered the chat

[@dodgingrain3695]

What drives me a bit nutz is that people think the amount of ram equates to computer speed. Having 96GB of ram doesn't make a computer faster than one with 8GB unless you are loading a lot of data at once. All a large amount of ram does is prevent disk swapping. But ultimately the problem with AVID is they more slowly and are behind the curve on almost everything. I don't even consider their products. Folders are another example, that should have been in pro tools 10 years ago, its just goes on and on.

[@BarryJohns]

As far as DAW’s RAM is not as important, for video editing it is a big deal.

[@dodgingrain3695]

@@BarryJohns True, It just drives me nuts when people talk about having lots of ram in relation to speed. Ram doesn't make a computer faster, it makes it slower if there isn't enough for the intended use case. Especially when it comes to audio production where the number of cores and the individual core clock speed maters far more than the amount ram.

[@BarryJohns]

I agree with you!

[@Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials]

concentrated is selfish profit ... hence their name: avid. Else they could be called: generous. A name, a thing.

[@2424rocket]

What a calm rational speech. I don’t do calm and rational very well. LOL. Even though I’m not a ProTools user I’ve had the same conflict with Adobe. Adobe can be excellent and it can also be an absolute mess. For the editing portion I have just moved from premiere Pro to resolve. I did notice you mentioned that you do your video in final cut. If you just do amateur video editing, Final Cut is pretty OK. But if you want The real deal, then you need to learn da Vinci resolve 17. Anyways… It was just interesting to hear what a rational, speech you gave. I would’ve been screaming at them. LOL. And I’m in the middle of learning logic pro 10 which is the only DAW that I’m familiar with, so I can’t really make any comparison.

[@BarryJohns]

It took a lot of patience on my part recording the video, I actually did it twice, which I never do, so I could tone it down a bit. Thanks for watching!

[@Andy-iw9su]

Avids issues are more around their business models, more than issues with actual software.

[@BarryJohns]

Agreed

[@kmac.]

Their support is really awful for the cost of subscription, which is one of my biggest gripes. The updates break things. Users who want to update on release are basically beta testers. But if you need help with the errors, good luck.

[@BarryJohns]

@@kmac. when they call it support, it was a joke since day one. Try getting Avid on the phone. That being said, there are lots of very knowledgeable people on the DUC forum that can help with just about any issue, unless it’s a known bug.

[@eman0828]

Subscription based is actually optional. You can still purchase Protools perpetual licenses through Sweetwater.

[@devon-graves-studio-D]

I'm still using Pro Tools 8HD with a 6 card Accel rig on an 8 core Mac Pro OS lion. All my hardware is branded Digidesign. Massive power, zero latency and Solid as a rock, and I won't budge. I have versions 9 and 10 but they just don't work as well..All of the biggest advantages for upgrading stop at version 8 in my personal experience. Those once $5000 Accel cards which Avid chose to make obsolete after version 10 now can be bought for about 100 bucks these days. I scrounged them up on eBay and built a staggering rig for pennies on the dollar. I just can't get into any new modern plug-ins with my OS limitations so that's the tradeoff. I don't have any needs that aren't in PT8 and a suite of WAVES, TC, and McDSP plug-ins have me more than covered. I won't follow Avid (or Apple for that matter) on this tail-chase they and Mac seem to have going.. Planned obsolescence. I'll just stay put and continue to get lasting return on my investment. I bought a copy of Reaper anyway simply to support their business model which I think is Awesome.

[@BarryJohns]

TDM is still today a great Rig! I’m surprised you had issues with PT10HD, when I was on TDM it was as solid as 8 if not even better.

[@tbonebeats6429]

I left PT for S1 after 24 hours with S1. PT haven't gave me a reason to return. I'm open to being lured back though. They have to give me a real reason but they won't.

[@papabois5001]

Been using it since sound designer… yep I'm old… I left them when digi sold to avid then came back then left when they started subscription .. Now… I'm in the process of setting up a new home studio… and I don't know man…. Pro tools… or studio one 5… .I love the lay out of protools.. But studio one is in the end cheaper… ahhhhh… I go dawless… 😁😆😅

[@BarryJohns]

For those that record mainly Audio, to me PT is still the DAW of choice for the way it’s laid out. Especially if a person could t their teeth on analog, it’s laid out just like that. If I was starting out now with no previous exposure to any DAW, not sure what I’d pick. Everyone one of them historically has had issues, there is no perfect DAW. With Avis’s pricing strategy, I doubt I’d go that route only because of that alone.

[@papabois5001]

@@BarryJohns I hear yuh… it is tough… thinking bout the perpetual option…..

[@collinmilliron6717]

@@papabois5001 Try Reaper. Very similar to PT but only 60 bucks. Or Bitwig looks cool too.

[@papabois5001]

@@collinmilliron6717 thanks man.. Definitely gonna try… been hearing a lot about it… Salute…

[@eman0828]

Studio One Pro pretty much does almost e everything that Protools does. I use it for my Hybrid mixing rig as I have an Argosy console desk filled with analog outboard. Matty Harris mixes songs in both PT and S1.

[@nyambe]

Meanwhile... I am starting with pro-tools now. lol. So far I like it. I am getting back into producing-composing so I am working from home. Honestly, people complain way too much. It's overwhelming the amount of solutions out there, it really does not matter. Any one of the current solutions is 1000% that anything that was available 5, 10, 20 years ago. The thing I like about pro tools is that it is easy to focus on the task.. its limitations are probably it's strength.

[@BarryJohns]

Solid points for sure. It is laid out in an intuitive way, that other aren’t.

[@Dmaccabees]

Agreed 💯%

[@gordongurley3982]

Been a digi/Avid user since Sound Tools II. Been a love/hate relationship since Avid took over. Support has been especially bad during the Avid era, though I have to say the most recent move to an M1 Mac was relatively painless (even though it’s not officially supported!). Moving all my plug-in licenses was actually much more difficult and time consuming. For me PT feels like home. Logic is quite frustrating and I have no desire to move to Logic. Tried Reaper, it again, just felt clunky. I’ll take a look at S1 as people seem to move from PT to S1 rather easily.

[@BarryJohns]

I wish I didn’t like Protools as much as I do, so I’ll stay in the broken marriage.

[@gordongurley3982]

@@BarryJohns I think what the music people don't realize is that Avid is focused on the film market as those are the customers buying the big systems. The project studio user is just the gravy market to keep revenues coming in. It's the easy money and Avid will only do what is needed to prevent the music base from leaving. I used to own an HD system, but have since moved to UAD hardware. I do miss the speed and ease of a true Avid DSP based system for tracking.