Is Avid Bringing Back Perpetual?

[@Whiteseastudio]

One of the reasons I switched away from Pro Tools to, in my case, REAPER, is because of the costs and the unreliability of AVID, they are changing course quickly and make hardware obsolete before I have the time to unbox it (and I'm a quick unboxer).... However, back when I switched, it was the main reason, while, now that I've been using REAPER for 4 years, there have grown more reasons to never switch back again. Pro Tools is still a super good tool, but the way I've customised REAPER to fit in my workflow is just something that I'll never going to get from Pro Tools...

[@gnprice]

It's worth noting that SNAKE OIL itself is also over-priced, obsolete, and unreliable.

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks for contributing, love your channel!

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

I honestly prefer spending 300-400 dollars per year on plugins or hardware etc than to spend on a software just to be able to use it

[@samphelps856]

Two gods amongst mortals

[@gnprice]

@@samphelps856 Two gods with strong opinions

[@djalexia]

I’m a long time LogicProX user, but Studio One 5 is a monster of a DAW.

[@AdamElteto]

They are both really great. On a Mac, if you want one DAW package to get started, Logic is great with its included instruments, plugins, samples, loops. Studio One 5 has a bunch of included stuff as well, but not as robust as Logic. I do love the Studio One workflow and of course it is multi-platform. On a side note, who even remembers PAYING for a Logic update for years? Logic has been the same price for about a decade (at least), and all updates have been free since then.

[@fantaztikbeatz]

@@AdamElteto true indeed

[@fourthtunz]

@@AdamElteto Yeah I bought it back in the 90's and never really got my mind around it! So much easier to use these days!

[@stevekennysound]

Barry, that is my exact experience with Avid. They did their best to drive me away and it worked. I will take advantage of their year-end "1 Year of Upgrades" offer on my perpetual license but, I will always remember that they pulled the rug out from under me after investing myself completely. Avid, subscribe to this guy. He could save you millions & millions of dollars in lost revenue.

[@jamescave7102]

If and only if i will never loose my perpetual license, I’ll use Pro tools again. Thanks for the video.

[@cryptocsi]

Same

[@danielsntg]

I’ve been using Pro Tools for 12 years now. This is my last year as I have now switched to Logic. It’s less glitchy, and I only pay once.

[@shaunboy07]

It's just math for most consumers. My decision was $199 for Logic forever, or $299 for Pro-Tools every year for as long as I use it. That's a no brainer. The value ProTools offers isn't worth it among the landscape of amazing DAW's in the market.

[@teamuprgc]

If Logic Is Mac Only, Will Need A Mac Also! So = $199 For Logic + Mac Cost For Those Without Mac's.

[@gnprice]

@@teamuprgc What's a Mac?

[@teamuprgc]

A Burger! Lol!@@gnprice

[@MaxCarola]

I own both, and since I use protools professionally since it went 24bit, I am lightning fast on it, and I never found a thing I couldn't do that I was doing analogue. The real problem is that AVID is aiming at the rich TV and Post market, and they are ready to spend excessive money if the system is made for their needs. So music is secondary...

[@fourthtunz]

@@teamuprgc You can buy a used M1 for $700 or so. But yeah if you've already got a computer..Logic has a lot bundled in, way better deal than Protools!

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

Welcome to Nuendo, Barry!!!! It's great to have you. And hoefully we'll see you during a few of the KZbin hangouts.

[@Mrfpsara]

I am a post guy and have been jumping between protools and nuendo lately, the performance difference is astonishing, nuendo video is rock solid and smooth while protools video engine keeps crashing, error prompts and the daw feels sluggish and unstable…so glad your using nuendo Barry, I wish we are in the same class:)

[@Justin_Allen]

Greta to hear that as I am in post and am pulling the trigger to Nuendo within the month. Just finishing up a project I am working on first.

[@warnutztheloser]

I've been a avid owner since 2000, guess this is my calling now it's time to go never thought this day would come, back to Cubase or whatever DAW that's hot right now

[@Weaverbeats]

much respect barry

[@BarryJohns]

Thank you very much!!!!

[@precisionsoundworksstudio]

You're a great presenter, Barry. Really enjoy your perspectives and insights. Thank you.

[@Professor_Pat]

Thanks for always looking out for the little guy like myself.

[@RohithMohanSounds]

Your videos are so good. They are very thoughtful and practical...Thank you Barry for your honesty and keeping it real !! Love from India.

[@BarryJohns]

Thank you!

[@jhevon]

You’re a huge inspiration Barry thank you for the studio talks! Happy 1 year anniversary 🎉

[@SonnyCrackBeats]

Hey Barry! Welcome to Nuendo! I've been using it since 2002.. It's the best IMO and I've used them all.

[@michaelolgaalgar5729]

I moved to Pro Tools from Logic and find it far better for editing and recording, I was on a PT 12 Perpetual Licence, now upgraded to Pro Tools Studio perpetual licence, I actually think the deal is a good one, having said that, if I didn't have the chance of a perpetual licence I would have just stuck with my old computer with PT 12. Really enjoying your videos Barry, only just discovered you! Much appreciated.

[@XaiBeats]

Question, how did you go about getting a perpetual license? I own 10/11 but bought the subscription for PT Studio. Definitely would like to get out of paying annually

[@michaelolgaalgar5729]

@@XaiBeats I got an email from Avid inviting me to upgrade to Pro Tools Studio and keep my perpetual licence.

[@pocket1684]

@@michaelolgaalgar5729 really? Wow.

[@CarlyonProduction]

I’m glad dudes with some experience are getting into KZbin. Balances things out a little bit!

[@JoshChristiane]

I noticed Pro Tools brought perpetual back, the upgrade cost for me is $250, which is too steep for my blood when you look at the new cost of Studio One and a Cubase upgrade. Glad they brought it back, but they need to ditch this rental SaaS scheme as soon as possible. It's the same reason I won't touch Adobe products anymore. These companies help revenue in the short term by switching to SaaS, but in the long-term they open a vacuum for other smaller companies to compete. When Adobe sold outright software no company wanted to compete, now you have Affinity suites and about 50 other brands making Photoshop and Illustrator clones.

[@BarryJohns]

I love Affinity Photo!

[@JoshChristiane]

@@BarryJohns Same. Use it all the time. $50 to own for life, now that is how all software should be.

[@alabamasfinestTM]

If you have a perpetual license, Please activate it to an ilok asap. And inside of your avid link app, go inside preferences and turn off auto updates. As dirty as Avid plays, they’ll be liable to push an update that requires us all to surrender perpetual and go straight subscription. As for me, I installed 2022.7 and is hanging out here as I watch how ppl complain in these different groups I’m in. That determines IF I update to next version. I’m still running and transitioning from my HD 9 rig to my 2022 rig that I’m currently building. If I used PT9HD for so many years, I will run 2022 until 2032 😂

[@cesarmarolla1602]

Great video and enriching info. Thanks!!! Do you have any video or planning to make one about mixing in pro tools from top to bottom. Too many out there with confusing approaches.

[@stillavenue]

You Rock Barry! Thanks as always!

[@ItsNerradT]

I've been using Pro Tools since 2006 (it's Digidesign days) due to being told it's "the industry standard". Being forced to move from perpetual to subscription license, it's been pure HELL. Today, a Customer Success Manager from Avid had the audacity to send a paragraph long email asking me why did I turn off my renewal button and how it's a bad idea...

[@warnutztheloser]

I remember leaving nuendo & Cubase for digidesign... guess am going back after 20yrs

[@JesusArmasOficial]

First off! Great video Barry. Always love listening to your point of view when it comes to Avid as a company. I like Pro Tools, I like Avid, and like you I want the best for them. I personally think that it will be a matter of time for them to start selling either perpetual licenses again or get a better pricing cause, let's be super honest here... Who's willing to pay 99$ a year for Ultimate/Flex or 999$ yearly? That's just pure nonsense. Now, Pro Tools Studio being more of a workhorse is great. Having advanced automation for example is something that should've been in both versions regardless. Now that that's happened it's great, but how long did it actually take to give an update like that. I tested Ultimate for a year and it was cause they gave me a license to use cause I made video content for them so that was my payment sort of speak. And I loved Ultimate for sure but when it comes to expenses, not worth specially if you're starting out. Now Pro Tools Studio makes more sense to me than before. I definitely want to see them bringing back perpetual, reinstatements and giving them in a more reasonable price. Plus actually sharing great updates in a season basis. There's still a lot to work on for sure, but it's not impossible to do it. QUICK EDIT: Check out the latest video Recording Studio Loser uploaded.

[@BarryJohns]

I watched it, that was freaking crazy. That brother has serious patience!

[@patrickstudniarz8669]

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[@DaveWestGuitar]

I’m on the cusp of switching to Cubase 12, which I’d rather not, even though I’m running PT 11’s last update. It’s because of the permanent renting scheme. The learning curve for Cubase can’t be fun, but I don’t trust AVID anymore.

[@nexis74]

The transition to Cubase will be very easy. AND Cubase has tons of available resources AND best of all, Steinberg personal and EASILY ACCESSIBLE if you ever need any help!!! I love it!!!

[@JoshChristiane]

Cubase has gotten a lot easier than it used to be, everything is very very fast to learn now. It's not like the convoluted days of Cubase 7. Ditch that rental garbage and jump to Cubase. Plus Cubase requires no dongle anymore!

[@danielcoppens5684]

Been using Cubase since almost inception (have Live as well). Love Cubase and it does everything i want to get done and can think of. It does a lot more than ever use as well. highly recommend.

[@DaveWestGuitar]

@@JoshChristiane I'm not renting, it's and old version that I don't get support or updates for. Based on your encouragement, and at least 3 others, I feel ready to go for Cubase and a Mac Mini. Thanks!

[@SomebodyPickaName]

Beware of Cubase 12 right now. Its performance is lousy and users are having a horrible time with it, especially at low latency settings. I can't run it at 64 samples without CPU overloads which didn't exist in Cubase 11. Just look at their forums and you'll see how bad it is right now. I couldn't even open a project the other day after I'd saved and closed it because the project would crash on load, due to plugins that work perfectly fine normally. Demo it first before you consider it. It's kinda bad at the moment.

[@raynizam3818]

Well Said My Friend

[@ss4717]

I appreciate your hard work. I left pro tools since their first foiré into perpetual and lapse... while in pt12.2G's I'm done with them....

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks for the support!

[@Tru-Luv-is-2-Giv]

Yeah Barry you been very helpful on my decision to think forward on a future back up plan. Reaper is coming along nicely. Like Thomas Sowell says. There's no resolution, only trade offs.

[@BarryJohns]

Right on!

[@davidmoorhead]

My red flags came up on the Pro Tools 6.4 (maybe .7) update that forced a paid update within the base architecture of 6. The company was still Digidesign at the time, but I was pretty pissed dating back to circa 2004/05 and have lived through all the seriously and egregiously horrible updates/versions over the years. This new subscription approach, however, takes the cake for their worst move ever. I love Pro Tools as well. Hate Avid. I'm in the middle of learning Luna along with work-shopping Logic and Reaper. Avid is absolutely horrible. HORRIBLE. I can't stress that enough. You can't even get good tech support over there. It seems like they either have very bad Berklee interns working and SOMETIMES answering phones OR just a very shitty answering service that will pass messages along without a commitment of a returned call. I'm not sure how people doing business like this can survive, but they have so many of us over a barrel. I hate it. It's utterly fascinating how Avid could have been the God damn champions of pandemic-era production by having GOOD press with GOOD deals, but no. They went the exact opposite direction. But American capitalism and greedy behaviors always win and they will continue going to that well until they can't any longer. Avid is the worst.

[@-musiclee-]

Logic is the Polar opposite of Pro Tools. $199 lifetime is absolutely incredible!!! Wish Pro Tools was affordable like Logic is

[@tron944]

I still remember Logic costing $999, then when Apple acquired it, it dropped to $499, then shockingly to their current price, for what you get, it’s a steal

[@-musiclee-]

@@tron944 Ye. I had Logic when it was owned by Emagic. Used to use proprietary dongle. I think Logic is great now. But imagine what it would be if Emagic was still around. That German company was amazing.

[@Eljulitus]

I feel the same. Me too is a long time professionally PT user within post production. I was forced to leave Pro Tools because of AVID, and AVID only. It`s sad though. Because I love PT over other DAWs when it comes to audio editing. And with my tendinites, I have yet to find an alternative that is as efficient in regard to incredible speed and workflow.

[@BarryJohns]

Agreed

[@frankymino8773]

Thanks Barry! Always sensible talk.

[@gregrodrigueziii8075]

Avid also has to recognize that in audio post, the whole world aint like hollywood, a lot of us are independent studios without dubbing stage, doing sound design, dialouge edit and other score mixing which requires us and forces us to Ultimate. there are times where avid will fair in their pricing for music, but their killing us in post prod with their fees.

[@dendennis3053]

I actually lost my Pro Tools 12 ‘Perpetual’ license a while ago, back when Avid first brought in their subscriptions, as I (and a lot of other people at the time) were confused with their new plans. At the time, I thought I was upgrading to the latest version of PT by picking a one year subscription plan, thinking that if I didn’t renew at the end of that year, that I would just be left with whatever version I was on at the time, big mistake! I actually lost my PT12 ‘Perpetual’ license in the process. I argued with Avid for almost a year about it, but they would not budge or give me my ‘Perpetual’ and supposedly lifetime license (that actually expired) back to me.. In the end, I had to purchase another ‘Perpetual License’ so that I could open my session files. I had steam coming out of my ears! I was ready to invest in their eco system, but after that incident I left because of their greed. I’m glad I’m not the only one that felt like that.

[@BarryJohns]

You are not alone. I even discussed this with their VP of product development over a year ago. I’m convinced they knew “EXACTLY” what they were doing.

[@jorgesalas3786]

Barry thank you for sharing this information, your opinion is always honest and I really like your content!

[@IainNitro]

Subscriptions unfortunately are becoming the norm. I feel this is a bad thing as well. I have several plugins from Waves and you end up paying an amount every year to keep them updated, they were a really big investment when I bought them and I renewed them the year before last, but have been seeking alternatives as that is too big an expense for my budget. In a way, you don't HAVE to update the plugins but if you upgrade your operating system or your hardware (like on Macintosh) it breaks the old version and you are back to renewing the licenses. Like AVID, Waves is a bit greedy in my opinion, though the plugins are absolutely wonderful.

[@CarlyonProduction]

Both companies have great products, but became too hegemonic and thus, could treat their user base in a way that’s plain abusive lol. Hopefully the competition will force them to get it together.

[@-musiclee-]

You know what’s sad? That Avid is still not Silicon M1 compatible 2 Years later… And they have the audacity to charge ridiculous fees, the HIGHEST of all DAWS

[@BarryJohns]

Well there is where all that support money everyone pays, yet just goes in Avid’s coffers, and not to pay people to actually provide support.

[@wolfwarren6376]

I’m on M1 with Pro Tools 2021.12, it’s natively running. It works great.

[@-musiclee-]

@@wolfwarren6376 natively running ? Pro tools is not M1 compatible. It runs under Rosetta.

[@CarlyonProduction]

@@wolfwarren6376 unless you have a special version, it’s using Rosetta. Really hoping for m1 native in the next update.

[@stevegeorge7773]

I got protools perpetual last year. It was a dog for a first time user to install but since its been OK. I managed to pick up, before the new pricing and DAW changes, an Ultimate license as part of a course I did. I am still using that as the license does not expire until the end of next month. I will, given the new pricing points, continue with the new pro version as the price is reasonable. So far I have been OK, happy-sih, with Pro tools. The amount of support outside of the pro tools environment is really great. KZbin provides so so many pros providing really supportive and good information on all the aspects--be it a bit outdated, of protools. Thanks for your thoughts.

[@MarshalArnold]

I left AVID in 2015 as my primary DAW, haven't missed it at all really. Still have my Protools 10/11 for when I need to get into some of my old sessions, but I almost never use it anymore. Is sad they decided to do the whole subscription model, ridiculous.

[@warnutztheloser]

Great job man am doing that next what DAW u recommend?

[@bryanschearf8167]

Dud I am 64 years old and worked at the Dallas sound lab as an engineer for 3 years and seen where pro tools was heading. It was not good. I switched to Logic Pro and after many years of using it I do not regret abandoning pro tools at all. It has its issues, but overall it is in my opinion got all of the other DAWs scrambling to do what it is capable of and for 199$ it can’t be beat. You are a cool dud and I wish we could meet?

[@JamesSteeleProjectVideos]

Enjoy your channel, Barry. I'm a long time Digital Performer user which I like quite a bit and have used for years. I'm very comfortable with it. In October of last year I bought a perpetual license for Pro Tools (new now "Studio" version) off a guy who was selling it "used" as it was given to him has a gift. I figured it would be nice to have as another option and might be useful if I decided to track in other studios that were based around Pro Tools. I am really not happy though about Avid's business practices and soaking the end user for every penny as they seem to have done going all the way back to the Digidesign era. So now I'm considering moving to something else as my "secondary" DAW. Would be wonderful if Avid made Pro Tools a better value and your point about subscriptions as we enter a period of recession is a very good one.

[@kwizo1]

Hey James! I'm in the same boat because of client sessions that are delivered in ProTools. I just consolidate the tracks and then drag them into Digital Performer to finalize the production then, mix or just mix. I also have Logic Pro, FL studio, and Studio One v5, for the same reasons. If I were just interested in a secondary DAW, I'd use Studio One. Check it out and see if you like it, it's pretty cool and Presonus continues to improve its functionality on a pretty monumental scale.

[@KKMcK1]

From what I have read, Nuendo is the most natively oriented to ATMOS, which I want to get into. Also, from what I've read, most people using ProTools Ultimate for ATMOS have to jump through some hoops to make it work. I'd love to see you talk about working in Nuendo. How it differs from ProTools and Studio One (which I understand are very much alike). Another thing is saving tracks/songs in a file type that can be shared among different DAWs equally.

[@BarryJohns]

I will be doing a video like that, but I’m still touching the surface with Nuendo. I am loving it more and more each day.

[@chris5375]

@@BarryJohns Cubase 12 has Dolby Atmos too

[@MaxCarola]

I love Pro Tools but hate to pay 400$ a year to keep it updated. It's just crazy. And they don't even update that often and that good. Lots of bugs... I am evaluating going to a different DAW... I mix professionally and do some posts.

[@johnsnyder4949]

thanks for this info barry.......im buying the yearly studio version thanks to this video

[@MikaelNitscheDrums]

They've messed up pricing of every piece of software they have under their umbrella. Pro Tools, Sibelius... It's been just an absolut clusterf*** for years.

[@smokey5100]

Just bought PT Studio Perpetual for 249 upgraded from PT12

[@NateJDrums]

2:43 I have been using Cabse since version 5. Yes I mix in Pro Tools, but I too am about to leave.

[@gabemaymi]

I don't think I'll go back to Pro Tools. The only way Avid can unburn that bridge is by recognizing that we paid $600-1200 for software and actually allowing updates and support for that price... that's never gonna happen and I've already learned Reaper.

[@infinagon]

I have a perpetual license of PT. My update license just expired July 14th and I'm not planning on updating it. I know some guys that have perpetual license but are stuck on PT11. I'm completely fine with having PT 2022.6 , which I basically have all the updates currently. I purchased my license before this subscription madness for $600 and it came with one year of free updates. The version that I have now is solid with my windows machine, have the option to purchase and use HEAT if I desire, which older PT11 can't - (and yes you must pay for HEAT if your not subbed). There's no reason for me to switch at the moment, but I definitely will if I ever run into big problems.

[@imflying2953]

congrats on 1 year! I felt the squeeze last month on my subscriptions. it was kind of embarrassing honestly...very unlike me but like you said...things are definitely changing in the economy.

[@ianalan2879]

Hi Barry I was using pro tools starting with digi 001 and used it for over 25years. I gave up in the end with stability issues I went over to studio one and uad luna. I do still have a lot of pt sessions on my drive but I let my licence lapse I have just purchased a mac studio and after watching your video would see if I could revisit pro tools I found a vendor selling an upgrade perpetual license for pt11 which had expired I purchaser it for £220 and installed it and connected my ilok to avid I also downloaded avid link My account then told me I could purchase a perpetual license for pro tools studio for £190 I haven't paid that but when I opened pro tools it has installed and is running pro tools studio on my system Ian

[@ScantlessBeatz]

Call me crazy or set in my ways but I produce and track vocals all in one with fl studio. The work flow is easy for me. I have some friends say fl is to clean or so called digital but I like it and have not had any problems with it. Im sorry but I just left Adobe because of the subscription only option. These companies have already lost great customers like myself and will continue to loose more for trying to Debo people for their lunch 💰.

[@chazycharles1389]

Pro tools has undoubtedly made itself a go to brand. It has created a perception as the DAW of choice. This is a war that not very many brands can achieve. They just need to get the pricing and the service they offer right and they will capture even a wider market. I've personally switched off auto renewal and to be honest it has not been easy finding the next DAW. Like you and like many if the pricing was right for me I'd run back in a heart beat.

[@chucknkd]

Not being sarcastic when I ask this question: would you run back because you are comfortable with pts and don’t want to learn a new daw, or do you think it’s superior?

[@chazycharles1389]

@@chucknkd I am just comfortable with it. But I am learning studio one at the moment which is only £11 a month on sphere membership.

[@chucknkd]

@@chazycharles1389 I have a feeling they've been banking on this exact scenario to keep people in the sub model. but I also feel this last price increase has made a LOT of people take a serious look at where this is going and how to get off that train. most people paying these prices aren't making a living off this stuff

[@threepe0]

As far as integration with your console, I'd re-visit Reaper. It might not be as integrated out of the box, but there's almost definitely someone who's written a snap-in to close the gap for you. And I know that may seem like more work from the get-go, but in my opinion, Reaper is worth the initial investment of familiarization to say the least. Once you start seeing the possibilities and philosophies behind things, it can go from being overwhelming to inspiring pretty quickly.

[@Juliano_DJOL]

Avid and perpetual is a JOKE!!! I had 10 years on pro tools but switched to logic in 2018.1! Your lucky if they give u 3 years for a lifetime perpetual license, then you can't ever keep your osx up to date! It's like pro tools used to give u a little better quality and standard or stamp, but FL studio should get credit for proving there's other options! Thanks for doing these videos! I wanted to but was too scared lol! This is the same stage I got off at...

[@Sellarmusic]

Avid offered me my perpetual license renewal for a year with support for $349. Now I see it's on sale for $249 or $100 off. If I want it without the support it's only $199 to bring me up to date. I've made the jump to Studio One now for about 4 years but I'm thinking about taking advantage of this to archive all my old Protools sessions in the latest version for storage. I don't trust them enough to go back and then have them drop my perpetual license again.

[@jimmybee4768]

And they did the same crap with Sibelius. I had to get on board with Cubase and Dorico. I still do use Sibelius on Ipad. That is still reasonable with on the go editing.

[@delmixedit]

There’s a lot of other things people can give up before their subscription to tools they actually need to work. I actually things that’s one of the great things about subscriptions is that you can get out of them when you don’t need them or in some cases, can’t afford them. If someone is doing this professionally and can’t afford $30/month they’re not charging enough for their services. Even on the low end, recording sessions are $25/hr. In 30 days if you haven’t even booked one 1hr session we gotta call a spade a spade. Times get hard for us all, yes but there shouldn’t be so much pride in trying to be a full time engineer/musician/producer that one runs from a job to help them keep the lights on.

[@BarryJohns]

Based on your situation, I can see your point, but, and it’s a big one, the vast majority of users of PT or even any DAW are not making any money with their recording. They are in their homes making music, for fun or maybe for a future gig, but not relying on it for income.

[@igboboybeats]

Have a session this morning and was gonna get the perpetual license and now I'm not seeing it sigh. Time to go learn a new DAW or go back to reaper

[@DaleC1980]

They need to make PT Artist available as a $199 perpetual. It would sell like crazy.

[@Sundaydrumday]

man after getting studio one 5 pro, I tell ya what pro tools is not even a little bit of a heartbreak anymore, never never, I also like reaper too, now reapers ui isnt the greatest but If your on a budget the daw can do everything any other daw can it just takes some compromise on looks and such which I will admit after trying studio one I no longer need reaper but if I was crunching and did not have enough money reaper is an amazing start for i literally paid like 80 buck I think and Im good through reaper 8 its on 6 still so...something to chew on for you new peeps lookin

[@talenwaver]

Try Digital Performer. It's insanely customizable. I'm Ableton now but if I'm working on something with no sound design or many virtual instruments I prefer DP. You really would be blown away it's not as popular.

[@citizenworld8094]

Well, because Studio one had an amateur video track I moved over to Pro Tools. I have one regret - for me the workflow of PT makes me realize Pro Tools is the industry standard for a very good reason. Pro Tools is a beautiful and logical programme. Thank God for Pro Tools is all I can say.

[@Sundaydrumday]

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[@AdamElteto]

[SARCASM] [/SARCASM]

[@aloneinthedev]

@@Sundaydrumday I think he was talking on the context of Audio Post Production, not music. You will never see Reaper, Studio One or Cubase on big Dolby Atmos mixing theaters, Pro Tools is the industry standard for this kind of things, period. Some foolish people use Nuendo for this purpose, but they can't really be taken too seriously because of that. Nuendo has still the strong DNA from Cubase and don't really interact well with the need of Audio Post Production for movie mixing.

[@CarlyonProduction]

I have been hopping between s1, reaper and pro tools for years now. About to go back to PT for good. The workflow has been ironed out over decades and it is just awesome. Of course, we all know the problems with PT (and particularly avid) but we often forget why it’s so good

[@John-lv6uj]

You are a Lier. Real talk. Avid is to problematic too much money I just flat out not as good as other DAW‘s. I have hardware and that makes all the difference in the world. AKIA KEYS 61 changed the GAME

[@danceb4nine]

I hate that Avid is doing this to there customers. I use ableton 11 and I absolutely love it. I feel like it has a understandable great workflow and it suits me quite well and it does 10x as much as pro tools. I feel like its one of the greatest if not the greatest daw I’ve ever ised

[@dragonstead]

Ive always been a logic user, and switched to pro tools recently as I only have a windows PC now. When i found out that there was only annual subscriptions and no longer perpetual licenses available, i ended up buying a mac and getting my logic pro x license back... they should stick to perpetual.

[@atashbeats8055]

I use Studio 1 5, and for me noobie is amazing. I have Reaper and follow Kenny Gioia on Utube, and this DAW is the ultimate one for 60 bucks. The learning curve is steep, because you can change, and customize everything, from the menu of what you wanna see and choose to the skin. If I was a professional, I would get into Reaper, because it's the most powerful DAW, but you couldn't tell from looking at it.

[@BarryJohns]

I bought reaper, I just couldn’t fall in love with it. That’s most likely because I just did not give it enough time. I also absolutely love studio one, and that is where I was going to land my studio, until I found out that the SSL UF8 is way better supported in Cubase/Nuendo. I’m going to continue as I’m learning Nuendo, to also learn studio one, after I’ve got both of those down where I’m really comfortable with it I’m gonna go back to reaper and really dig into it. If I’m gonna do this channel right, I need to be versatile in various DAW’s to be able to help people the most.

[@atashbeats8055]

@@BarryJohns You can't go wrong with Nuendo. Love the channel, keep up the great work.

[@tonyreaux.logcabinstudio7745]

Look at that crazy smirk on your face Barry 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Tony Nashville

[@Juliano_DJOL]

If digi-design was to buy pro tools back I wld come right back! But avid hurt my feelings

[@JoeLSoL]

I remember I bought protools 10 for $700 and I thought I was going to keep protools forever and thought I upgraded to a professional daw. Boy, I was wrong. I had to pay perpetual just to use it. I never felt ripped off before over software. I use iPads auria pro for $50 one time fee.

[@TomCawoski]

I appreciate your comments on what Avid is trying to do with the perpetual licensing. I have no clue either what they're trying to do but hopefully, for them, they'll figure it out before they loose everyone including those frustrated with the Apple Silicon Native issue. I was a bit surprised that you chose Nuendo though. I sure hope it wasn't just the sake of a sale that led you to go that way. Nuendo has more to do with post video work than music production in much the same way Pro Tools Ultimate is.. I have had Cubase since 2011 and picked up Pro Tools a couple years later and I'm happy with both for the most part in terms of functionality. I'm not saying anything bad about either one at all but there are a few things that Pro Tools has the Cubase doesn't yet have. Import session Data is something that Pro Tools has that I don't think Cubase or Nuendo has come even close to do but I'm sure there's a workaround to get around those things. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you are exploring the various DAW offerings and I'll be following your posts regarding the subject. I sure wouldn't want this to turn into one of those "best DAW" debates because the Best DAW is the one you have (own) and you know like the back your hand where you can accomplish everything you need to accomplish to get the job done. Keep the posts coming Barry!!! Much appreciated!!!

[@lerchfreyley1]

This is why I am looking at other DAWs and quiting Pro Tools

[@ScantlessBeatz]

These companies have already lost great customers like myself and will continue to loose more for trying to Debo people for their lunch 💰.

[@fourthtunz]

I bought the perpetual a little while back. But mostly use Logic. I guess it depends what market you are in? Its nice to be able to open up a protools session if you need to.

[@BarryJohns]

Yea, I ended up renewing an old expired plan for that reason only.

[@fourthtunz]

@@BarryJohns yeah more important for you as you're a real studio! I closed my little studio about 13 years ago. I have Protools sessions from the mid 90's and you never know!

[@BarryJohns]

@@fourthtunz remember, if you need access, you can always subscribe for one month and cancel to access after your done. Also, don’t you still own your expired perpetual license?

[@fourthtunz]

@@BarryJohns Yes, now the perpetual doesn't get upgraded but I can use it as it is forever right? Thanks Barry love your channel!

[@MR-vj8dn]

I have a perpetual license and I'm concerned. Where can I read more about this?

[@blackcreekmusic783]

I can confirm, I just purchased a reinstatement plan for my perpetual License for $249. I hadn’t actually planned on it and I even wondered if there was a hidden catch to it. The only issue I had was ordering through Guitar Center online (I had a gift card) and due to a bug in their system, I never got my activation code. I’m happy to say they fixed the issue and I got my updated license last night. What’s even better is that my 003 console still works with 2022.6. At some point I’m going to find an Artist Mix. I have Studio One and Logic as options but Pro Tools will always be the main tool I use for my job. I’m optimistic, but let’s see where we are next year.

[@oscarpatxot659]

003 gang here. Still rocking my modded 003 rack.

[@blackcreekmusic783]

The cool thing is if you start PT with the 003 as the device driver, you can switch to another interface and it will continue to run as a control surface 😎

[@blackcreekmusic783]

@@Tru-Luv-is-2-Giv Mojave on my 2019 6 core Mac mini and Catalina on my 2012 15” MacBook Pro(via little hack in the terminal that I learned of) and it works flawlessly tested on both computers.

[@mariojosepr]

I'm a PT user, but I have moved to Ableton Live!

[@rupees3353]

Any post production people (ADR, Foley, Mixers etc) using any other DAW? Curious here cause I have seen no sign of absolutely any other DAW in the busy studios in LA. They seem to be either running the perpetual with upgrades or the subscription. Anyone with any info? Love the studio talk Barry!! Specially where you talk about PT and Avid. If you see this comment, how's the Carbon working out so far?

[@AA-fi8bz]

Yoooo a month ago avid had their sale up all the wat through august 31st (today). Just checked the website and its extended through september 15, thats basically 2 months of sale since they’ve put pt on sale around 18th of July Might this be the new cost of PT? Hope so

[@americanbigelow]

As a fellow member of the alienated: Beyond all of the anti consumerism my thing is I just don't have time for Avid. Avid is like a bipolar best friend. You think they're cool in general but you don't want to pick up the phone when they call because who knows what you're gonna' get. I've got recording to do. No time to go back and forth with Avid.

[@johnhenningfield4360]

Pro Tools HD10 was the last one for me, and once they made the move they did I lost interest, however I wish them luck on getting customers to do a turnaround.

[@felixmartinmusic]

Agreed

[@LasseHuhtala]

I stopped paying their extortion money a year ago, but I'm not planning on switching to another DAW. I've like you been with Protools since the beginning of time. I still have my AudioMedia3-card here somewhere. But you are right, Avid is greedy, and it sickens me.

[@ColossalKoi]

thanks such great content.... I just been sticking with protools 9... can pt9 work with the apollo twin?

[@BarryJohns]

Hum, not sure. I would kook at the operating system requirements for the twin.

[@h1de]

Recording Studio Loser just made a video about this struggling with their customer service. He recorded most of the phone call with customer service. Give it a watch, it'll get you going. 🤣

[@michaelperez5273]

Fact 🤣

[@BarryJohns]

Wow, what a trip that was. He has some patience, not sure I could have done that. Crazy!!!

[@h1de]

@@BarryJohns 🤣🤣🤣 in deed

[@merochingon]

where is the video?

[@ilikemyrealname]

Depends on location. So states, like where I’m from in NJ, it’s single party consent.

[@DerekMarshall]

Welcome to Cubase!!

[@kitmateyawa7829]

I'm planning to upgrade my perpetual license of ProTools 9 to ProTools Studio 2022.10 for $250.

[@magneticfrequency]

Same here, but currently I'm on PT12

[@w.g.5225]

Hi Barry, I don’t get it. If I upgrade my 12hd with this reinstall plan. Will my Lizenz back to 12.5 or it will stay on latest like 7.2023 when the year is over? I’m confused.

[@BarryJohns]

It will stay at whatever version they are in when it expires if you don’t renew.

[@joemiya6689]

I have a question sir. I’ve been using ableton for a while and never had any problem. Though I’m thinking to expand my career path so going to apply to some recording studio for internship. My main reason is to learn using console and protools. And I’m expecting more “possible clients options”. Any thoughts about this? Which protools version and plan should I purchase? Or you don’t think I should start learning Protools now because it’s ok downhill?

[@BarryJohns]

If you want to try to do this professionally, yes you need to learn Protools. PT Studio is all you need for now.

[@joemiya6689]

@@BarryJohns Thank you very much for answering straight to the point. I'll do that soon!! Hope you'll have a great rest of weekend!

[@sickmessiah]

Sad to hear you gave up on studio one .. Hows nuendo ? I havent tryed cubase since version 4 . LOL . Too buggy for me then like pro tools .. Studio One was made coded by Old Steinburg programmers /engineers . Been on studio one since version 3 and just couldn't look back at Pro Tools , Fl studio or adobe audition . I use to rewire Fl studio into pro tools or Adobe audition . Studio One was way more stable with or without rewire in either of those DAWS then . Let us know what features you like on what Daws . Im curious

[@zeppo20]

I´m 100% studio one user. For production to mixing. Even mastering.

[@BarryJohns]

I haven’t given up. I’m in it every day. I’m actually excited about learning more DAW’s. Remember the UF8 is taking me in that direction.

[@CAROLINABACKYARD]

Studio one is by far the most user friendly and comfortable. If you haven’t already. You can go into your settings and change the hot keys to react like protools. The zooms are amazing, undoing EQ’s are amazing, buses are simple. It’s just great. I came from FL Studio and went to protools and studio one at the same time. Oh my God how my head hurts trying to do the simplest things on protools!!!!! Hate hate hate protools 😂

[@MrSRellz]

Marcus Huyskens has a Studio One for Pro Tools users, that you may find useful. kzbin.info/aero/PL-FHRjnU1YxTEtJawQy34XIiEB95UrH-M

[@armandodiaz3485]

Thanks for this informative video Barry. Question about the TDM topic you mentioned; would it be possible to just purchase the Ultimate Perpetual Upgrade for $499 if you’re coming from PT HD10/TDM and either buy an HDX Core card new or used or is there a missing component in there?? I see SW still has a TDM to HDX exchange including one HDX and Ultimate for $6.2K(cray-cray) or they sell the card sans software for $4.2K. Am I missing something here or is left hand not seeing what the right hand is doing?? TC!

[@BarryJohns]

As long as your current license is ProTools HD nine or higher, you’re probably on ProTools HD 10 I would assume. Yes you can use that to upgrade to the most recent version for 499. Keep in mind that you will be paying $400 a year to keep that up to date if you choose to stay up-to-date. Forget about the nonsense of trading up to an HDX card new, you can buy an HDX core card used for around 2k. Or you can go HD Native for around $600 used.

[@j2234]

Quick question, so I have pro tools studio as a perpetual license, then got the subscription for the avid bundle and heat, but now the website says I can get those things if I have an old perpetual license and pay for software updates like usual annually. With 7 days left to renew my perpetual license, and on the 16th of august my subscription ends, should I just renew my perpetual instead? I think I should but hopefully someone can help me out here! Thank you!

[@BarryJohns]

I would renew my perpetual and not the subscription.

[@j2234]

@@BarryJohns thank you!!! Love your videos, thank you for always giving such great information on all things!

[@josefaarskov3741]

That wouldn't change a thing for me; since I started using Reaper, Pro Tools just isn't appealing to me anymore, in ANY way whatsoever ....!

[@stanlee24]

well said ... when logic is a one time payment free updates too ....im a protools user since 7.4. well its just another daw that hasn't moved forward... they were the fir ones to enter the industry ....its just another writing pad :)))

[@vc2tb]

good video Barry keep it up 👍

[@damianrobertsdesigns]

Great video. 👍

[@BarryJohns]

Thanks!

[@leftofcenter4]

Wow!, I just went out and bought a used 2012 Mac Pro to run my PT 12.8.4 HDX system, my old tower went out.. I decided I am not paying the $999 yearly subscription for PT flex. So now your saying I can now upgrade to the latest PT Hdx flex for 499.. I also have the PT studio license on a laptop for my Berklee courses but I will eventually make the switch to Logic Pro…as my cooking mobile Laptop rig and just used my older perpetual Pro tools 2018.7 hdx system as long as I can for mixing and re-recording. I don’t need the latest PT to be functional. I am simi retired on a fixed income. Yep Avid is out of control. I will slowly migrate away from them over time.

[@ndavies8]

I don't understand the business logic behind the high priced subscription model. I guess they are trying to create a new market for themselves. I know three people who switched and haven't looked back. I saw the price tag and never even attempted. There's no way they're not losing moving.

[@annekedebruyn7797]

Sooo many people switched from ProTools and Media Composer when they moved away from perpetual.

[@AA-fi8bz]

Just saw something that wasnt there yesterday The sale ends on august the 31st Normally their sales are only up for 30 days (beginning to end of the month) but this time its extended by 2 weeks They really feeling the heat now They are for sure feeling the backlash they’re getting regarding to the removal of perpetual licenses and a higher subscription cost Last year they shipped pt ultimate for free with the carbon too Somthings goin on i think. Well, i hope so

[@CarlyonProduction]

Yeah I noticed that. Been thinking about coming back for some time. Hoping these sales mean they have realised they need to change things up. It seems so silly because if they just made a few changes they could get back to dominating again.

[@mikidrums]

First of all. Love your videos bro. Thanks for them Congrats in getting nuendo which is the best DAW on the planet. Trust me that it’s the best I am a blind user. And let me tell you. It’s really sad that even that I know ProTools it’s the industry standard. But only because it’s already in all of at least the majority of the studios around because the play well at first for the DSP. But Steinberg saw the native it’s the road to go from the 90s not only that! But. It’s even more sad that even when pro tools it’s more capable accessibility wise Dan other companies which let me tell you. Steinberg it’s the worst even then. Because from the very first Version of nuendo or Cubase you have the option to customize all the keyboard shortcuts I it’s a blind user can use it even sometimes without a screen reader. Which like I told you before they don’t have integration whatsoever with it But like you know and all of us know. It’s the company Bruh Pete not only you giving me a software which is always behind of the others. But you charging more than anyone. Because you feel so confident that you have the dominant of the market. And that’s it that’s a problem. Sorry for the long story and thanks again for those videos

[@PaulMorini]

Hi Barry, Those deals are being given by dealers that have perpetual licenses in stock that they purchased before Avid moved from perpetual to subscription.

[@BarryJohns]

That happened once they stopped and fairly quickly dried up. This is not that. It’s available on Avid’s site again, it was removed when they made the change and this is not old stock.