Does Consciousness Lead to God? | Episode 912 | Closer To Truth

Why does the mystery of consciousness lead some to the existence of God and others to only the brain? I'd like to believe in God. Can consciousness help me? Featuring interviews with Keith Ward, Susan Blackmore, Varadaraja Raman, Paul Davies, and John Leslie.
Season 9, Episode 12 - #CloserToTruth
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[@andybrown3016]

“I searched for God and found only myself. I searched for myself and found only God” Rumi

[@GohnwithaG]

Know thyself

[@andybrown3016]

@@GohnwithaG Gnothi seauton

[@GohnwithaG]

@@andybrown3016 what’s that mean?

[@andybrown3016]

@@GohnwithaG At the site of the ancient oracle in Greece that was written above the door. It means “know thyself” and is where the term came from

[@GohnwithaG]

@@andybrown3016 oooh that’s how you say it in Greek...dope

[@bazurk_dot_com]

A lot of open and beautiful minds. And then there is Sue the Psychologist. It's easy to spot those who are unable or unwilling to imagine something outside of there comfort zone.

[@furleysbrain]

Classic Sue really

[@drjaaj1594]

I have never been in any psychologist or psychotherapist, but i have seen and talked to some of them . Believe me folks, i have always found the very abnormal and sad and in a way sick people!

[@teeniequeenie8369]

“Cognitive dissidence”

[@pamelameltonhuff583]

This woman is totally out of touch with reality in any way

[@eltatoyo9211]

When someone begins an answer with a cackle, like Sue. it tells me more about that person and their insecurities. Demeaning others right off. is a sure sign of self doubt.

[@markaugustus4064]

This is the most obvious thing a child can read from her responses

[@colinpurssey9875]

Yeah , that was also my reaction to her derisive response. I don't have the benefit of an academic or scholarly status that she has , but nonetheless can easily identify imperious and peremptory conceit when I see and hear it .

[@2010sunshine]

This is the best channel I have ever seen on KZbin and Robert Lawrence Kuhn, the best anchor, in quest of Truth. Ironically, this channel has only 171K subscribers, out of which only 4.8K viewed this video and even worse, only 221 liked the video. The worst comes now...11 people even disliked it. Somehow I feel that the human consciousness is not headed in the right direction.. 😀 😂

[@hubertlavelle7554]

Robert and team thank you for making this series of programs which I so enjoy. You ask the questions we all want to know and you have access to some wonderful minds Thank you so much.

[@birdman7135]

(8:00) Kuhn was excellent in countering Blackmore's flippant disregard for consciousness-based theories.

[@markaugustus4064]

She had a very affective and superficial response that smacks of intellectual laziness and intolerance. This soul is hurt!

[@ramithuday5042]

My experience says the more conscious I am , the less idiot I will be...If you explore deeply inside your core, you will become a Sage experiencing the entire universe inside you, if you explore deep outside digging into atoms, then you will be a scientist lost in the outside world knocking on the quantum field only accessible by an inner experience.. The only door the unified qunatum field opens is to one who dives into his core,singularity..every other door you open is illusive and equal to death or ignorance.

[@smashhimmungo5798]

Couldnt have said it better myself !! 😀

[@karashkarash5922]

Well said

[@Niadrawings]

The intro music captures the emotion felt when thinking about why we exist in this universe, and what is the point of existence at all if death is inevitable, and the afterlife is unknown

[@danielmartins9441]

Sue is so unsure of what she is saying that she cannot hold an argument without getting angry. When you are sure of something, there is a certain peace in your way of being, and she does not have that.

[@GeorgieKiely]

Nah, she is just reacting rationally to silly claims. They're hilarious!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hey Daniel.... I really like your statement "When you are sure of something, there is a certain peace in your way of being." That makes me think. I don't know about Susan's position, but I feel you are correct. I think most people on KZbin approach arguments with anger or depression. Wouldn't it be great if we had that "certain peace" that you mention. John in Florida

[@HighPeakVideo]

@@GeorgieKiely Then she should present a rational argument, not just scowl with emotion when Kuhn puts serious points to her.

[@b.g.5869]

She wasn't angry at all. You wouldn't be upset by her if you didn't suspect she's right.

[@brandonguinn5487]

I would say she's more condescending than angry.

[@ndindamule3134]

I came out of this whole discussion knowing that agnosticism is still the best stand

[@rezamohamadakhavan_abdolla8627]

Only through personal experience one can confirm the existance of God.

[@Westrwjr]

Great episode .. which ties a lot of the other ones together. But, that means you first must watch many of the other episodes to know why, or else have experienced the same information from elsewhere.

[@davidsocha8642]

Thank you so much to be curious like that! 👩🏽‍🚀🙈🙉

[@nizarhamaideh7712]

What a great thought stimulating program..thank u for making these videos Cant stop watching

[@ili626]

Each of our individual consciousnesses are so fractured. We don’t even know what it’s like to have a “fully functioning” or unbroken awareness. There are rare cases of people having perfect memory recall though (like that actress from Taxi), but that doesn’t mean their conscious awareness isn’t fractured in other ways

[@vhawk1951kl]

Each of "us" can only be each of several billions of beings; are you suggesting that you have canvassed them all, or are you simply projecting your own experiences onto others offer you have no experience whatsoever?

[@rapisode1]

According to Hindus, consciousness is reflective. Our external world is perceived by our senses, and the information is reflected in our consciousness. This means that the external is not real, the mirror of our consciousness is only real. Our minds are also reflected in this consciousness, and our bodies. It is like a face in the mirror, the face is not real, it is a reflection. Consciousness itself is pure, but gets contracted by names and forms which we perceive as 'reality'. They say this is true in relative sense, but in absolute sense only the pure consciousness is real.

[@jacklcooper3216]

I am a big fan............keep it up

[@faerion1882]

Awesome stuff!

[@souvikghosh334]

Wow thank you so much

[@farhadfaisal9410]

The universe evolves into a state where living beings (for example, with brains) appear that fulfill the condition for the emergent quality of consciousness in those beings to appear. They may then ask: what is all this? And, to what purpose? Well, they can learn more and more what it is, if they may survive collectively. And, they can subscribe to what purpose, while they are alive individually.

[@davidgalbraith7367]

great great episode.

[@hero227]

For a psychologist, Sue seems pretty damn closed-minded.

[@sinisa5567]

Atheism is a trap for very smart people.

[@NoThankYouToo]

Atheism does that. Atheists are just smart enough to realize there are difficult questions, but not smart enough to realize they’re incapable of answering them.

[@AJ.943]

I keep thinking “what happened to this woman in her life that makes her so closed minded and so sure ....that all she feels is contempt for anyone looking for something else????“ Wth....

[@justasimpleguy7211]

One word - hubris - and with Sue the hubris is strong.

[@markpearse8955]

Read her book "The Adventures of a Parapsychologist". She started as a firm believer in ESP and spent ten years researching parapsychology, trying to find a clear demonstration of its existence. Her scepticism is founded on that experience and is actually contrary to her original opinions.

[@MustyX]

Just because you liked to believe there's God shows there's something outside there that want you to believe.

[@cvsree]

Pure consciousness IS God We experience lower form of dream like consciousness because of our outward directed mind When we turn our mind inward, and realize our true nature, we remain as pure consciousness

[@gabrielleambrose8657]

Not impressed with the psychologist (Sue) laughing at the beginning of her interview about other people’s beliefs. Otherwise great video 💜

[@asmomair]

She appeared idiotic to rule out the possibilities without providing any better logic.

[@priortokaraew7569]

The joke is on her.

[@adamburling9551]

@@priortokaraew7569 Yes. It is.

[@nicholashernandez9804]

She was angry because she didnt have an answer or couldnt form an argument. Her laughing and slandering was a defensive mechanism for her not being able to argue with that proposed theory.

[@ArjunLSen]

Sue Blackmore made a name for herself trying to prove that consciousness is a byproduct of neuronal activity ( epiphenomenalism). This is an easy, almost lazy position to take, from the point of view of traditional science which is materialist reductionist. Large amounts of evidence from different fields are pointing to a non material reality as the reality underlying material reality. That's becoming more evident even if not clear ( in the sense that we understand it). Consider advances in the philosophy of science today - monistic idealism as in Kastrup or Goswami or Hoffman or Sheldrake. Fiercely contested, of course, by traditionalists as you would expect including widespread ad hominem attacks without attention to the fine points of the ongoing debate about the nature of Deep Reality. All this unreasonableness and lack of respectful debate is to be expected as one paradigm starts to die angrily, giving way to a better paradigm, slowly and painfully.

[@InPursuitOfCuriosity]

I personally think Paul Davies made the most sense - even if he does not give an exact label to the school of thought of which his views comprise. The idea of cosmic consciousness is interesting, it's kind of like the thought of "does reality exist without an observer?", which does seem straightforward (yes, of course it does) but what evidence can you have of its existence if there is nobody present to observe it?

[@ramaraksha01]

We were not there when the earth first formed and for billions of years after - there were no observers for billions of years after the big bang Honestly, we are not that important One reason scientists think why we have not come across any aliens is that is very hard for civilizations to survive to get to a stage where they can travel the galaxy One big rock hitting us and we go the same way as the dinosaurs or climate change might finish us off or a nuclear war

[@scottlouissmith2382]

I'm ALOT like him! I'm 53 and reaserch and studying is all I Do! And I'm not about to give up my soul for some other people's believes.

[@delicioso6424]

No one is asking you to do so.

[@scottlouissmith2382]

@@delicioso6424 Oh, but you are mistaken. There's religion out there that if you refuse to believe there story you will spend eternity in the lake of fire! And that way of thinking is pure evil on there point.

[@delicioso6424]

Scott Louis Smith I won’t speak about other religions. I’m a Christian, in the meaning of follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ. I don’t think/believe there’s a hell. And I truly think God exists, but not as a big grey man with beard in the skies; I think God is the ever-existing Collective Concioussnes, who has always existed and will always exist. This is what I think, in a nutshell.

[@jackieswan422]

Yes what’s real you can see till it is your time to see it. When you cross over you will see everything we can’t see here

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@delicioso6424 Hey Cioso.... your comments make me curious. Do you believe in an "afterlife?"

[@Meditation409]

A great deep conversation!! Mind blowing! Definitely a topic I can't get enough of a never ending interest at my deepest levels. ❤💯

[@smashhimmungo5798]

So Called Scientist will never ever get it when they realise the ego is an illusion !! GOD IS ETERNAL CONSCIOUNESS AND YOUR A PART OF IT !! 😀

[@cutecats1368]

A good cemetery has to be included in every video of this series :)

[@ezrawilson6986]

Consciousness is what causation looks like.

[@detached]

I agree. That was Ayn Rand's conclusion. In this view, consciousness is defined as a process. Causation/interaction itself is an act of "observation". This is born out in the quantum where particles are essentially undefined unless some interaction takes place. This solves the hard problem of consciousness by making consciousness (rudimentary causal "awareness") a fundamental principle of reality. Human consciousness would be something like recursive causation. It's simply what happens when enough microscopic causal agents are arranged in the right way. The same basic pattern of action/reaction is present in atoms all the way up to humans.

[@chrisc1257]

@@detached Yes, a process or function of decay.

[@ezrawilson6986]

Brian A. Nichols I think there’s a German philosopher whom Dr. Kuhn has interviewed for this show who holds a similar view. His name escapes me at the moment.

[@howardrobinson4938]

My consciousness informs me that doing some yoga on the floor of that beautiful room in which the two gentleman are conversing would be quite an elevating experience.

[@suncat9]

"Which would cause consciousness?" Why does consciousness need to be caused? I believe it does not. It is uncaused, and therefore exists irrespective of time.

[@sigigle]

It could be, and that would be idealism, and would be contradictory to materialism.

[@richardlopez2932]

Learning how brains work is largely terminology. If you learn a few new words and what they correspond to, you eventually just start making guesses on how things play out. It's tremendously how the limbic system and the frontal lobes work together in moderating and interpreting behavior. Again, a few new words, then repetition and sleep start to take over.

[@TupacMakaveli1996]

My everyday topic 😂 also pls have less ads :p

[@somethingyousaid5059]

If I were a rock I wouldn't have to wonder about God (or wonder about consciousness either).

[@grinlandmark8281]

well not really because you would be aware that you're a rock

[@carlosmarrero2385]

Thats the point a rock isnt conscious ​@@grinlandmark8281

[@michaelhall2709]

‘Closer to Truth’ presents a skeptic’s philosophical journey by way of Zeno’s Paradox - you can make progress towards your goal of understanding reality, but will never truly arrive there. That’s not meant as a criticism. I love this show.

[@micronda]

During Zeno's journey, he becomes super conscious and self aware and therefore no longer needs to 'get there'.

[@xspotbox4400]

I found better version of a problem, what if object became half size smaller with each new step, distance to destination will increase to infinity.

[@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt]

The thing that is really stupid about this channel is that "Closer To Douche" doesn't follow a progression towards truth. It would be like learning calculus, then basic algebra, then physics, then basic division,... He has already interviewed and gotten as close to truth as he's going to get, yet he continues to jump around talking to idiots and fools

[@micronda]

@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt If you keep looking and find the truth is not there, eventually there will only one place left to look and you know what you'll find there.

[@tomashull9805]

@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt It's in their best interests never to arrive too close to truth... It's like cancer foundations where it is in their best interests never to arrive too close to cancer cure... Regarding fools and idiots interviewed, its a big part of the show. They come up with "what if", which means some idea popped into their head and they pursue it as if it were the unification of quantum mechanics and relativity... and the naive admire them as if they were Einstein... The show provides what people want to hear and not truth most don't want to hear...

[@tyronevazquez1932]

We all return to our source where we came from; one needs to look at the people who have experienced NDE. Some people call it God, conscious universe 🌌... We are all connected to our creator. Look at quantum entanglement, one particle here on 🌎 can have the same instant effect to another another particle in the 🌌. God bless you all and don't forget that our actions here on 🌎 are being projected to the universe 🌌

[@colinpurssey9875]

Well said !

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Reality inspires consciousness.

[@charlesgallagher1376]

Consciousness inspires reality.

[@richardlopez2932]

Science: Doing the extra assignments since time immemorial.

[@jamesjosheph3006]

Consciousness cannot be understood thru intellect as objective. Experience inwards as subjective. All Eastern Vedic studies are such experience only....It is very very subtle and a life time tapasya is required.🌳🐢🙏

[@Meditation409]

One thing we all share is awareness. We are all aware....at death our awareness ceases....based on the dissolution of the senses.

[@MrRamon2004]

Consciousness is life inside the bothy, consciousness exit out side the bothy, consciousness is everywhere in the universe, and consciousness is the creator. In this life and the next one stay en the light.

[@gregariousguru]

It's certainly plausible that conscience brought rise to more conscience, and I'd say it's more probable that consciousness comes from the animate vs the inanimate

[@ramaraksha01]

And how did that animate get its consciousness?

[@twinsoultarot473]

Consciousness creates matter? There's an awareness even in electrons and photons telling them what to do next?

[@gregariousguru]

@@twinsoultarot473 Scientists infer the existence and behavior of electrons through indirect methods. They have never actually seen one regardless of how they tricked you.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

You got it Robert: the probability consciousness will have emerged with a God compared to the extent that possibility is reduced without him is the conceptual key. But it goes beyond probability and enters necessity: a universe created by Mind of necessity must disclose minds.

[@cvsree]

Consciousness IS God

[@mahyudiyusop8564]

After doing all series on tough questions about reality, consciousness and cosmos, I would love to pose this question to Kuhn. What answer is most coherent, consistent and comprehensive? Would God be his only answer? We should have a series on Kuhn himself to get his most honest reply.

[@Williamb612]

God’s consciousness leads to us

[@murmenon]

The question to be asked is what is reality? And to whom? Without a conscious observer is there any meaning to saying something exists?

[@panditsonawane5188]

According to Vedas the God is Sat, Chit , and Ananda swarupa which means it is absolute knowledge , absolute consiosnes and absolute bliss.

[@Movebetweenthesounds]

In the sense that it takes consciousness to invent a god then the answer is yes but I don’t think that’s what you’re going for here.

[@Andres64B]

Another great video. God's God - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXXIpYJ7a8iVmMU

[@Arunava_Gupta]

VV Raman is echoing one of the interpretations of the thought contained in the Vedanta philosophy which seems to point at a kind of absolute monism where consciousness is all that exists. Even matter is only consciousness in this view; and no, there is no God in the sense of a supreme conscious personality, only a (personality-less) consciousness that is devoid of all attributes. This view which is often presented as the dominant Hindu view regarding reality I consider to be a misinterpretation. In reality, Hindu philosophy, the best glimpse of which is obtained in texts such as the Bhagavad Gita, talks about two ontological categories with essential characteristics that are mutually exclusive : 1. Prakrti (primordial matter): unconscious, dead substance. 2. Purusa (conscious personality). The distinction between these two entities is fundamental and persists eternally. God is the supreme purusa, the supremely conscious pure personality that brings prakrti and purusa together. Therefore, once the investigator discovers matter and once he discovers (individual) consciousness within the material body, then the existence of God is inferred, as the supreme principle that binds together these two entities.

[@thomasridley8675]

We think, therefore god ? That once you reach a certain level of awareness. It's bingo there must be a god. And not just any god. It must their version. The universe is creating temporary order out of the chaos. But that will pass. The universe is on its own path. Separate from us. Even universal consciousness doesn't make any sense. Creating more gaps to stuff a god into, but no answers that say a god is there at all.

[@Arunava_Gupta]

@@thomasridley8675 I didn't say that ("we think, therefore God"). Mere thinking does not do it. It is the bringing together of two disparate entities of purusa (conscious personality) and prakrti (unconscious matter) in the microcosmic context, the sophisticated inter-wiring of the (transcendental) mind of the conscious personality with the (material) brain (mind-organ).

[@irfanmehmud63]

I think Hindu tradition makes distinction between two levels of thinking; one is way of elite thinkers (represented in upanishads which talk about an impersonal cosmic mind that can be known through meditation)....and the other of ordinary public (represented in Gita and other scriptures that shapes all the personal deity worship/ritual stuff).

[@Arunava_Gupta]

@@irfanmehmud63 Although that might appear to be so, the fact is--and this is my impression after going through representative samples of the primary texts--that Hinduism is not ultimately monistic as is made out to be. Like in every religion, the truth of the primary text has been misinterpreted here also. The reality is there is no dichotomy between elite and popular. The primary texts all point to the supremely conscious personality and suggest his adoration.

[@thomasridley8675]

@@Arunava_Gupta Oh sweet Jesus !! An empty box has no value. Too many humans are suckers for a good story. Our ability to create fantastic stories to fill gaps in our knowledge is legendary. We have hundreds, all certain that theirs is the real deal. We have found the real god. Again and again and again until the end of time.

[@eponaalbion]

Can you answer what consciousness is from within consciousness?

[@williamburts5495]

Since it is consciousness asking the question the answer is within the question.

[@eponaalbion]

@Stefano Portoghesi Interesting, thanks, I still find it unusual how humans exceed what is necessary, in intelligence and consciousness. Did you see the interview whereby the notion that all matter has consciousness, of a sort, otherwise ours wouldnt exist either?

[@eponaalbion]

@Stefano Portoghesi okay, heres some more reading on the subject you may find of interest :) With the reality that all matter is energy vibrating at different frequencies, it is reasonable to say that all matter has consciousness in its unique way, since all matter comes from the same source and is comprised at its basics level of the same building blocks. www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-consciousness-pervade-the-universe/ www.sciencealert.com/consciousness-could-all-come-down-to-the-way-things-vibrate

[@MrLibranda]

there may be different levels of consciousness. On the experiment with the twin slit of particles hitting with random distribution unless observed by a consciou being/agent, it seems that the particles have observed that an observer was observing them and thus align themselves according to the consciousness that is observing inclination. How those particles knew what the observer's inclination was is another question. So, here was an example of a possible consciousness on a particle made up of just one electron making a decision or reaction based on whether there was an observer or not. The whole universe/s is made up of these very same particles and thus conscious as well? We have now found out that our brain makes a decision even before we make ours and this makes free will a big conundrum. It does look like consciousness as well see it is determined somewhere else different from our own deciding mind. Here we can surmise that our consciousness is separate from our brain. Perhaps our consciouness is but a part of the big consciousness field where we get bits and pieces depending on our tendencies.

[@ramaraksha01]

"our brain makes a decision even before we make ours" er, what? we make ours? Who is this we? Isn't that our brain? There is a delay in the brain making the decision and our being AWARE of it - comes from our primitive ancestors where quick reaction to a well-camouflaged lion or tiger, without putting much thought into it - helped save us "our consciousness is separate from our brain" And this consciousness dies as soon as we die?

[@vhawk1951kl]

Exactly how many times did you yourself - yes*you*carry out this particular experiment with slits? Yeah, right.

[@Lerian_V]

In Catholic theology, "God" (a generic term) is the name given to Ultimate Consciousness, Fundamental Force/Energy, Fundamental Value, Ultimate Reality... These are all attributes of the one eternal Creator of the universe. Bow down and worship, mortals.

[@chitranjankumarkushwaha4259]

In hindu philosophical Advait Vedanta the truth source of creation is you or aham brahmasmi means I am the god

[@Lerian_V]

@@chitranjankumarkushwaha4259 Well, we are gods (small "g"). We are all subject to the supremacy of the one true God.

[@nicholasphillips4296]

Created in His image

[@josephhruby3225]

Bravo

[@OneAboveALL-ud3un]

I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.

[@OneAboveALL-ud3un]

All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force… We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.

[@vhawk1951kl]

I wonder if you understand that when you use the term "we" you are referring to the user of the term - that is*you*and his immediate interlocutor, and since you have no immediate interlocutor you are effectively whenever you say "we, saying "I; you are saying that you yourself cannot as you put it "get behind", whatever you mean by "consciousness. Is it not apparent to you that a mirror cannot reflect itself? Why are you creatures so terrified of the perpendicular pronoun or "I" that you must hide behind some fanciful and imaginary "we"? Self-evidently you can experience nothing of the experiences of others because if you could, every time they had a headache you would have a headache, and since that is not the case, it follows the night the day that you cannot experience the experiences of others, so your famous "we" can only be fanciful.

[@threestars2164]

I guess all of those centuries of non-conscious life didn't happen in your imaginary world?

[@onestepaway3232]

Conscious is not an illusion. They say these things because it doesn’t fit into their pure naturalist models. It is as real as gravity

[@onestepaway3232]

Anthony Cortes really? Who says? Without gravity life as we know wouldn’t be possible. Look into it

[@robward8247]

anyone have a clue what that music playing in the background of the intro is?

[@jameelhassan1304]

Me believing in God is “closer to truth”

[@rezamohamadakhavan_abdolla8627]

Only through personal experience one can confirm the existance of God.

[@stephenwatts2649]

Spirit is the essence of consciousness, the energy of the Universe that creates all things. Each one of us is a part of that Spirit Energy - a Divine Entity. So the Spirit is the Higher Self, the Eternal Being that lives within us. Form is the physical world: body, mind, personality. We as spiritual beings created the physical world as a place to learn. We're here to learn how to master the process of creation - to learn how to consciously channel the creative energy of spirit into physical form. HOW CONSCIOUNESS CREATES REALITY? If God is Reality And if Reality Is Consciousness Then God Is Consciousness I Think therefore I Am God Consciousness The whole universe is one reality which is pure consciousness. Pure consciousness is absolute existence. God makes things through the direct act of becoming the things which He creates. In the beginning the One differentiated into the many. The One entered into the many and became the Self of each. The being within everything is the One. When you merge with this nonlocal Self, you become one with the Self of all that exists. The One is the Higher Self of all. You are the One. The God Spirit In Me Is The Same God Spirit In You, And The Spirit Of All Beings. Enlightenment Is The realization That You Are All Part Of The Universal Spirit Of All That Exists, Which Is GOD. Each of us is the universal spirit projecting a particular point of view. My Self is inseparable from all that exists, just as your self is inseparable from all that exists. You are an aspect of Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Intelligence is the source of all that exists. Therefore you are the source of all that exists and you create your own experience. Everything is possible because everything exists within you. The same unbounded potential of the Infinite Spirit also resides in each and every one of us. Everything in the universe is consciousness. Space and time in all planes of reality are only projections within universal consciousness. There really is no here or there for everything is at one place where Mind is. Mind does not move at all. Mind simply is (Not to be confused with the brain). Mind is everywhere yet nowhere. Mind is nowhere but Here, Now. We are all existing together as a singularity in one place and time. Everything is one, Here and Now. Your soul is the reflection of all souls. You are the Other. Without the other, you would not exist. You are defined by your relationships with others. You would need to describe the whole universe in order to define a single person. Therefore every single person is the whole universe. Your soul is both personal and universal at the same time. Everyone is a reflection of yourself. You are in a hall of mirrors where every reflection of yourself appears different. Others you admire reflect the qualities you most cherish in yourself. Others you detest reflect the qualities you most deny in yourself. Each person you see is a different version of you. The outer world is a mirror of yourself at any place and time. If you want to know the state of your personal consciousness, just look around and see what is happening to you. If you want to know the state of the collective consciousness, just look around at what is happening in the world. Your personal reality is synchronistically orchestrated by your sense of Self at all times. If a critical mass of people expressed their higher selves, they would cause a transformation in collective consciousness and the world reality. Every time a person rises in personal consciousness, he moves the state of the world towards a higher one than before. TRANSCENDENT WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can experience all possibilities. Your awareness is open. You are connected to the source. Your consciousness is merged with the mind of God. SUBTLE WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can hold on to your vision. You trust yourself to follow where the mind goes. You aren't bound up in resistance, objections, skepticism, and rigid beliefs. Inspiration occurs as a normal part of your existence. MATERIAL WORLD: You are comfortable with your personal reality. You take responsibility for it. You read the world as a reflection of who you are and what is happening "in here." As the reflection shifts and changes, you track the changes occurring inside yourself. If a white man was created by God, And if a black man was created by God, Black and white men are equal before God. If God is reality, And if reality is consciousness, Then God is consciousness The Need to Create, Discover, and Explore. God becomes a creative source. He gave us our birthright of curiosity. He remains unknowable, but he unfolds one secret after another in creation. At the far edge of the universe, the unknown is a challenge and a source of wonder. God wants us not to worship but to evolve. Our role is to discover and explore. Nature exists to provide endless mysteries that challenge our intelligence - there is always more to discover. This is your God if you live to explore and be creative, if you feel happiest confronting the unknown, if you have total confidence that nature can be unraveled, including human nature, as long as we keep questioning and never settle for fixed, preordained truth. God becomes pure wonder. After reason has reached the limits of understanding, the mystery remains. Sages, saints, and the divinely inspired have penetrated it. They have felt a divine presence that transcends everyday life. Materialism is an illusion. Creation was fashioned in two layers, the visible and the invisible. Miracles become real when everything is a miracle. To reach God, one must accept the reality of invisible things. Nature is a mask for the divine. This is your God if you are a spiritual seeker. You want to know what lies behind the mask of materialism, to find the source of healing, to experience peace, and to be in direct contact with a divine presence. Unity, the State Beyond All Needs. God becomes One. There is complete fulfillment because you have reached the goal of seeking. You experience the divine everywhere. The last hint of separation has vanished. You have no need to divide saint from sinner, because God imbues everything. In this state, you don't know the truth; you become it. The universe and every event in it are expressions of a single underlying Being, which is pure awareness, pure intelligence, and pure creativity. Nature is the outward form that consciousness takes as it unfolds in time and space. This is your God if you feel totally connected to your soul and your source. Your consciousness has expanded to embrace a cosmic perspective. You see everything happening in the mind of God. The ecstasy of great mystics, who seem especially gifted or chosen, now becomes available to you, because you have fully matured spiritually. The God that brings the scheme to an end, God as One, is different from the others. He isn't a projection. He signifies a state of total certainty and wonder, and if you reach that state, you are no longer projecting. Every need has been fulfilled; the path has ended with reality itself.

[@mustafaelbahi3990]

does consciousness lead to god ? . yes.

[@Mercy-lb5rq]

What if you had a dream, and what if in that dream you found this beautiful flower, and what if when you woke up that flower was next to you on your pillow... What if it's not all about us. Peace I share with you.

[@mannyaragon5229]

Interesting, I had a dream about the French emperor Napoleon and when I woke up in the morning I opened up the KZbin app and there it was an article about him, crazy . Also from time to time I experienced the sense of already been there and done that, is hard to explain like already lived that experience already

[@kylebunke827]

Light is God and light is consciousness. Jesus is the sun in our solar system creating light and is our only way to God. Light makes the plants grow and everything live and is the reason that we are all here. Light is consciously creating life as we know it and light is doing it consciously.

[@williamburts5495]

Krishna says in the Bhagavid-gita: " I am the consciousness of all living entities." and since consciousness is a love energy the statement basically means " by it's nature the self has love of the Godhead" being that God is the consciousness of our consciousness we are never divorced from God we just have to revive our God consciousness by the practice of yoga ( transcendental meditation ) and devotional service. Being that we can revive our God consciousness we as consciousness are finite representations of God. This is the mystic perspective on consciousness.

[@chitranjankumarkushwaha4259]

अहम् ब्रह्मास्मि तत्वमसि namaste

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

My chemo-brain ( can I call it "chemo-consciousness?) seems to increase my indecisiveness. I'd like to find the correlation between faith, feelings and reasoning.

[@redpillpusher]

there is no correlation faith is used like words such as "kleenex" or "coke". faith as a concept has no real value its a security blanket for those trying to protect beliefs they can't justify.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@redpillpusher Hey ian... thanks for the reply. I find your views interesting and they make me think. You say there is no correlation between faith and feelings and reasoning. But I think it depends on how you define "faith." If faith is indeed just a "security blanket ( like the one Linus carries in PEANUTS?), then of course there is no correlation ( well it might give you a "good" feeling ). And if the word "faith" is used "like words such as 'kleenex' or 'coke', then the word equates to the commercial definition of "satisfy a sneeze" or "delicious and refreshing" ( with "no real value" as you said). By the way, if I can't "justify" a belief, I don't want to protect it. So the "security" in "security blanket" needs to come out in the wash! John in Florida

[@redpillpusher]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 I admit I was being somewhat glib but yes you are correct "faith" does need to be defined by the individual employing the word. what I have found is when I have spoken with ppl about what they mean they almost always circle around to words like trust and confidence. but then how does one usually build trust and confidence ...via empirical evidence as there is no other way. And what I meant by security blanket is when pushed on how to justify their belief without sufficient evidence they fall back on faith. which is why I deem it as a valueless concept. it's this word that basically says I'll will continue to belief what I want to believe with no real supporting evidence.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@redpillpusher I think I understand your views but I wasn't sure what you were getting at when you mentioned "kleenex" and "coke." Actually most people do correlate faith with trust and/or confidence. I like your statement "but then how does one usually build trust and confidence..." I'm wondering if the Biblical sense of faith means more that those words or even something different.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@redpillpusher Ooops.. I could not read the rest of your comment so I have to continue here... Anyhow... anyone who says "I will continue to believe what I want to believe with no real supporting evidence" doesn't allow the other person or persons any options. The conversation basically must end there. I hope there is value in the concept of faith. I struggle to find the correlation for faith, feelings and reasoning.

[@user-zw3yw8be5x]

How can it be that consciousness is an illusion?

[@williamburts5495]

consciousness defines an illusion, if an illusion defines consciousness then the illusion would also have to be consciousness.

[@suncat9]

The experience of illusion requires consciousness. Consciousness is fundamental; one cannot get behind consciousness.

[@williamburts5495]

@@suncat9 I absolutely agree.

[@ezbody]

Consciousness is an illusion in the way as watching a movie is an illusion.

[@davecros4887]

Yes it does lead you to God and that is where you find ESP. It’s that simple. ESP is God consciousness.

[@mscir]

Join Subud, have an experience you can't deny.

[@rjgood1]

I believe that once you stipulate that there are non-physical realities, such as an idea or a law of the universe, you have crossed a threshold that must allow for other non-physical realities such as god or cosmic consciousness. I ask myself could it be possible that all of existence has no meaning and always the answer is no. But the concept of meaning itself is a non-physical reality that we recognize. So I am left with a strong intuition that there is something greater to be discovered but have no idea how to define it.

[@ramaraksha01]

And just one wayward rock hitting us and we go the same way as the dinosaurs - we are not that important

[@twinsoultarot473]

Consciousness is infinite.

[@Templar112299]

Belief in God will always require a leap of faith. Belief in any of the other options of the origin of consciousness will also require that. But if you can get to question 3, like the host, the leap becomes much easier. I think Pascal's Wager is especially relevant here.

[@ramaraksha01]

A "God" who acts just like a King/Dictator - a Putin, a Saddam - believe & support me & I will reward you, if you do not believe or support me, we get raped, tortured and Killed! Is that your God? A Putin, a Saddam? Honestly where is the education, the intelligence? Religion kills brain cells? Greed for the easy lazy life - believe and be rewarded, kill all morals & thinking? Are those who do not believe bad people? Are we not more than Just belief? It is like saying Blacks are only about skin color - that is what a Racist would say There are plenty of good, honest people with loving families who have made great contributions to the advancement of humanity To be brutally treated this way is honestly being Nazi like that is what religion has reduced you down to - a scum Nazi Racist

[@Templar112299]

@@ramaraksha01 You have some issues you need to work through before we can have this discussion, clearly.

[@ramaraksha01]

@@Templar112299 That's was what Pascal's wager wasn't it? Better to believe and vote or else? Like a King/Dictator only caring whether we believe and support him or not? Unlike a Father who cares for us, who we are as people, what we have done with our lives? Clearly the Christian God is Master - it is a Master/Slave religion - down on our knees, beg, grovel and hope to be rewarded(Heaven) The rest of us choose to remain TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD! Take our place by the side of God, His arm around us No child should FEAR his or her own Father No parent would be proud to say his children FEAR him But a Master, King, Dictator rules thru FEAR and THREATS! And that's Christianity You have chosen to leave the side of God and now are down on your knees on the ground, shaking with fear, begging and groveling for mercy What has this religion done to you?

[@Templar112299]

@@ramaraksha01 You ask what this religion has done to me as you spew vile and hateful language to me about my religion? If we’re comparing each other I don’t think it’s you who is the one who’s at peace. Fundamentally you misunderstand religion and Christianity and it seems to me that you’re a victim of ideological possession more than anything else. Again, you need to work on that before you can get anywhere.

[@zahiromare]

Consciousness is nothing but higher self that transcends the animal instincts of man. Man will be accountable for his action due to the presence of consciousness.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

God gives meaning to reality.

[@briley2177]

How?

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

Quran 41:53 We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?

[@rh001YT]

A lot of people are not too sensitive to the issue that materialism and deconstruction...all of science...is based on reason, but reason seems to be without foundations. Immanuel Kant explored the lack of foundations for reason in "Critique of Pure Reason". Noting that Kant had raised a good point efforts were made by others to find some foundations. Betrand Russell, with evolution in mind, was able to show that all, or at least most maths, could be founded on some simple mental operations, simple enough that they might not have needed much to evolve. For instance "add 1 and then do that again and again" gets all the whole numbers and a whole lot more and then a relatively simple mental ability to make sets gets you even more. However it was F. Nietzsche, following on Kant, who suspected that if reason is based on simple mental abilities that were evolved then there's not reason to think them accurate in any capital T Truth sense, it's merely pragmatic and could very likely be far from a capital T Truth if any such Truth existed. Going back to Kant, he made the assertion that our minds, in pursuing maths and science, show us how our brain is already wired and we fit all observations into that cuz we have no choice but to. Unless by some really freakish chance our brains/minds are wired to get things right, or Truth with a capital T, we are permanently groping in the dark, maybe getting some things right and some things wrong which we think are right. Moving ahead to Neitzsche he likened scientific inquiry to a blind man firing a shotgun into the air when he hears some birds, occasionally shooting one, and then declaring he's right.

[@rh001YT]

@@lvr8429 Hi! Well, I think I'm pretty much up to date on science. Kant claimed, and I find his claim compelling, that our mind does not reveal anything about the natural world that it's design does not allow and in thinking and studying the natural world we only discover how the mind is designed. That does not suggest we should give up or anything like that but it should introduce some humility.

[@rh001YT]

@@lvr8429 You might consider that since anything Ai will be programmed by humans it will not have the ability to think anything non-human.

[@saammahakala]

The blending or raising of one's consciousness involves the shearing away of ego-identity., meaning that only the essence of refined awareness is uploaded when joined with "god." That's why sleep is the perfect metaphor., when asleep most individuals remain oblivious to their identity while their life still carries on. If you ever get to that next level free of Karmic* birth there's still a long way to go before complete absorption. * there is no good or evil karma only weak and powerful and the powerful has nothing to do with the human interpretation of that word

[@xspotbox4400]

How do you know when is karma and when you became a victim of some social or even government conspiracy? Somebody might plot against a person in secret, but when accident happens, people will say it got to be something bad he has done in the past, not knowing it wasn't accident but a deliberate and brutal attack. Karma and totalitarian regime always go hand in hand.

[@saammahakala]

Yes.., consciousness does create/god., "our" consciousnesses., at least those that make it through. "God's" already been conceived and "we" are what is helping it put itself back together again so to speak., unlike Humpty Dumpty.

[@saammahakala]

I personally view it as "we" or all of consciousness broken up throughout individual threads of light-essence, working its way up through the life stages of mineral, vegetable and animal. I came to these conclusions based off experiences I've had not only within my own being, but with family and friends. Seeing something no other has ever described leaving my father's chest seconds after his final breath along with my experiences tells me "we" are not these bodies, nor their genders, families or cultures. All life has consciousness comprised of the same material which inhabits a cage that allows it to interface with these bodies to animate their lives. "He" is now his own great-grandson and that is speaking only of one unique experience among many. Of course only recently have I discovered the Upanishads and Vedas., but since I try not to corrupt or influence my own contemplative style, I've exposed myself to very little of it. I see science and religion as the blind children of philosophy. If you start questioning existence within yourself while speaking of past lives since age 5., you might be not like the others., even though every character/awareness is unique. So., "we" are all prisoners born of "god's" conception. Which leaves me to ask., Who are I parents? (Grammatical error intended also rhetorical)

[@stanleyklein524]

"when asleep most individuals remain oblivious to their identity while their life still carries on." Wow. What is your source for that? When I (and the admittedly biased sample of friends I talk with) have dreams they can recall, it typically involves things that they believe they are experiencing in a world external to themselves.

[@saammahakala]

@@stanleyklein524 First it's a metaphor., also I've met a lot of individuals who don't remember dreaming and a few might become excited to remember one that may have taken place in Technicolor. My awareness is ongoing., not only in sleep but in-between lives. But there's not a lot of others who can look at life for what it really is., School. But it's a school that not only houses both infants and professors* but all of those in-between. When the majority of human flesh on this planet is animated by experienced souls, paradise is formed and then when the majority of those souls** have matured within., it's kind of like what we have now. Everything is cyclical and time is but a byproduct of nature and used as a tool for navigating this reality through "our" ability to interact with it, dressed as "we" are. * infants and professors, another metaphor demonstrating the differences between nascency and wisdom, also being an actual professor in the human reality means squat. Some individuals are beyond the "learned" having acquired knowledge beyond the scope of academia. ** the awarenesses within

[@GeertKok]

Consciousness is knowing. It is science. It is truth

[@GeertKok]

Consciousness is experience. It is persistence in learning how the lessons are learned. It is maturity. It is being a son of God. Because you know what is and what is not. It is authority because for a conscious being there are no surprises. And if you dont know...., putting your faith in God will learn you who his servant is. Consciousness is limited. Knowing your humble position in reality. Consciousness is knowing God's hand. It is no longer a surprise what evil does and it is pointing at responsibilities as a human moral being.... No excuses

[@coudry1]

My Personal Conclusions about who we are all from many sources "We Are All One Consciousness" for the following reasons: 1. In this world everything must have a cause, so that something exists because of something else, as well as ourselves. 2. It will be very saturating / boring if we have only one physical form in this world. 3. It will be very saturating / boring if all human beings have the exact same physical form behavior. 4. Try to imagine emptying all the physical things around us only the remnants of humanity, then eliminating all human beings leaving only their memories, then removing all their memories leaving only their consciousness, then connecting that consciousness, feel who we are ??. 5. Body, mind, feelings, emotions and everything in this world is always changing, so what never changes ??, that is our true self, which is true consciousness. If everything changes2 / moves who observes, there must be something fixed to be able to observe. 6. All human beings communicate with each other is the beginning of the beginning / the future of human beings unite, only electronic devices today can unite all human beings, one day the device is implanted in the human mind and eventually man will open all access to his mind. 7. Our body is a group / accumulation of memory accumulated brought from the beginning of the birth of the first human in the world through continuous DNA binding. 8. Twins are born at the same time, what if all human beings are born at the same time ??. What happens if the birth of all human beings is not influenced by the dimensions of space and time ?? 9. The twins are identical to A and B, if the whole memory of A is copied to B, what is the difference ?? 10. The law of attraction (law of attraction) that our minds will attract whatever we think, because we are all like one part of the body. 11. Like some of the video recordings of ourselves there is a video as a vocalist, a video as a violinist, as a pianist, as a drummer, etc. The video2 is made into one in one video then it will produce a more interesting orchestra, something new and more productive. our world. 12. Man's greatest enemy is himself, at this time man is fighting against himself. By believing that we are all one, then the ego will fade because there is no difference between us. 13. That is why the teachings of religion command us to be grateful and beneficial to many, If you are hurting others you are actually hurting yourself, just as if you are doing good to others you are actually doing good to yourself. 14. Could it be that we are all dreaming and our dreams meet each other at the same frequency in parallel. Have you ever, when sleeping dreamed of moving roles as someone else, it is because we are all one. 15. We are not immortal as human beings so that we have time for us to scroll through all of life. 16. "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience" ~ Stephen Covey, Have you ever felt that our age is too short, could our consciousness be immortal ?. 17. We are one, only the role is different, the memory block between life is what makes people feel different / separate. Just by brainwashing / erasing his memory then someone will be a different person but his consciousness actually remains the same. One consciousness experiences various perspectives of reality. 18. The lucky thing for us is ... awareness is always towards / seeking / having intentions / desires towards good / positive / happiness despite experiencing various mistakes. 19. When we die the body and memory are destroyed, how can we remember ever being dead. Even a few years ago your real body was lost by being replaced by new cells you don't remember. 20. Why do we have to die? ", When we are told to die, later this eternal question will be asked again and we will always be there." The world is a sustainable life". 21. In the beginning we were one, but split through a big explosion or bigbang to become different and separate as it is now, but we are provided with a sense of love for us to be able to be reunited later. 22. There is only us and the mirror of ourselves in this world, yet there is another world out there. 23. We will always smile happily seeing each other as ourselves "How beautiful I am" seeing a different self. 24. If all consciousness is told now that they are all one if the experience gained is enough, the consciousness designed from the beginning is so different that there is so much intrigue, consciousness is created differently so that when it comes together it has an incredible consciousness experience. 25. We are indeed alone in this universe, but there are still many other universes with their own laws of nature. 26. Have you ever felt to come to a place that has never been visited but feel familiar with that place, as if we have lived in that place sometime. 27. The world is like a script of a story that is being written by the author, sometimes changed at the beginning, sometimes changed in the middle, sometimes changed at the end it all depends on us as writers, and every story has wisdom that can be taken as a lesson. 28. Hair grows on its own, heart beats on its own, blood flows on its own, ideas emerge on its own, etc., are we involved ??. 29. Imagine today there was an event that caused only you to live in this world, then who are all the people yesterday ??. 30. "If Quantum Mechanism cannot surprise you, then you do not yet understand Quantum Physics. Everything we have considered real all this time, turns out to be unreal." ~ Niels Bohr. 31. In the scale of quantum physics we are all connected to each other, even in double gap experiments proving that particles change when observed or in other words awareness is able to change reality, this has been repeatedly proven by Nobel laureate in Physics. 32. Everything we experience by our senses will eventually only be an electrical impulse in the brain, is it all real ??. We are beings who realize that we are conscious. 33. We are closer than the veins of his neck. He breathes some of His spirit on you. Knowing oneself means knowing one's God. Indeed, we will return to HIM. You are far I am far, you are near I am near. I am everywhere. Before the existence of this world there was no material other than Him. The True Spirit is only One, the Creator. I agree with your prejudice. 34. Whether the Creator is only tasked with creating, is it possible that the creator does not want to try the results of his creation through another perspective. 35. There is no reincarnation, it is possible that our consciousness is synchronized and evenly distributed at the speed of light through energy, and that is why we need sleep, that is why we are often not aware of something, ourselves are like some chess pieces played by a player, that's why if we moving at the speed of light we can penetrate the dimensions of space and time, when we die then wake up and we will regain consciousness as humans. 36. Have we ever had a problem and suddenly someone came to provide a solution to the problem we are experiencing, as if someone was sent by the universe to help us in solving the problem, which is actually our own awareness that sends that person to us. 37. A thousand years ago did human beings see, hear and be trapped in their hearts about current technological advances ??. If we all tend to sin (damage) then it will be the world of hell, if we all tend to do good then it will be the world of heaven. 38. Knowledge learns objects, God who created our consciousness, it is impossible for God to be the object of knowledge. 39. It is not possible for human creation which is only in the form of words / symbols to represent true truth. 40. Is there a meaning of being without consciousness ?? then we are adventurers of this existence. Sy 41. The life of the world is just a game and a joke, the one who wins the game of the world is the one who finds his true self. 42. When the existence of the world ends we will know everything. 43. My consciousness undergoes a very extraordinary life experience, feeling life experience with different forms and different places even though in fact my consciousness is always the same, wow .. I was surprised !! how wide I am. 44. Consciousness in fact does not know the concept of time, consciousness can experience / undergo into another physical form because the dimension of time can be penetrated by consciousness, as when we imagine we can act as anyone without time bound, because in this universe time can in fact materialize free, time can move straight, curved, rotate, etc. Our time travel is when our consciousness moves to a new physical experience. 45. We are an awareness, a concept that is able to answer various things. 46. ​​Remember when you were going to leave, you were worried about losing me ??, calm down .. I was everywhere and we would always be able to meet again, believe me. 47. Without searching what is the difference between us in this world and us in a dream while sleeping just passing by without meaning. 48. In conclusion, whatever role we play, it is all our own design, so just enjoy. 49. I never said that self is God, I thought that self is one consciousness, God should be higher and perfect than consciousness. 50. God created us to be Happy, so do not disappoint God. Understand it and be Shining. inspired of : kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqW3aaONfr5_arM kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmfJlH6Vm7eMl6s

[@steveodavis9486]

Are you a bot?

[@patrickboudreau3846]

I am a little simple minded and straight to the point. To me, consiousness leads to the fear of death wich leads to a search for a way to calm the anxiety, a God is as good as hoping for science to find a way to be immortal.

[@Jimr1151]

Although it's not proven, I don't have any doubt that consciousness (subjective or otherwise) is emergent from the most complex information network we know of in the universe, the human brain.. We don't survive death, rather we simply cease to exist upon bodily death. If one believes otherwise, then their explanation must include how their belief conforms with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or an admission that their belief in a designer falls within the category of the metaphysical, not science

[@sujitsingh5862]

yes

[@Niadrawings]

Cosmic consciousness seems closer to truth.

[@joeolson6085]

There is only consciousness. ONLY ONE CONSCIOUSNESS.

[@tdiddle8950]

Even within the scientific community, there are all but endless ways to interpret data. We forget that even the interpretation of fact occurs via predisposition...a model, which we have been taught. So why believe or don't belive in anything because of 'data?' Really, I'm not suggesting throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What I'm saying is that to truly know, one must be able to interpret the data themselves, because someone's interpretation of the data is not the data itself.

[@kevanhubbard9673]

The Hindu position seems to be a form of panentheism whereby the maker is within and out with the universe so transcending pure pantheism.

[@witosha6722]

What if consciousness is God?

[@johnelbare8237]

Robert, I have watched hundreds of your interviews, and I really appreciate what your doing in taking us along on your journey. I’d like to suggest that it is time for you to meet and talk with Rupert Spira. I think he may have some of the answers you are looking for. All the best,

[@samriviera6299]

No he doesn't. His main proposition is that what we are is consciousness or awareness and that I can agree with, but I don't follow his reasoning for the existence of god. Also many things he talks about are ill-defined. It's also unclear how awareness is infinite and everlasting while he differenciates between consciousness and the contents of consciousness. The latter is what ceases to exist when we die, but what is awareness/consciousness without content? How does it differ from the believe that nothingness follows death?

[@johnelbare8237]

Sam Riviera - It is easy to be dismissive of something when you don’t understand it well. Rupert Spira is one of the foremost modern teachers of Advaita Vedanta, which is one of the few truly sophisticated philosophies ever developed by humans.

[@samriviera6299]

@@johnelbare8237 But do you have anything to say about the things I wrote? I never had big problems understanding Rupert Spira. Whenever people asked him questions, I often knew what he was gonna say.

[@AlexADalton]

You should've had people on here who actually make arguments from consciousness to God like J. P. Moreland or Richard Swinburne.

[@philochristos]

Yeah, considering the fact that J.P. Moreland wrote a book arguing for God from consciousness, he would've been a good choice for this episode.

[@AlexADalton]

@@philochristos Two books actually, but yes, that's what I was thinking. Probably the most extensive modern treatment of this argument.

[@dennistucker1153]

I do not see any mystery about consciousness. To me, it seem so very simple. Good video. Thanks CTT.

[@joshheter1517]

In what way is it simple?

[@cosmikrelic4815]

It is simple to simple people.

[@sanathansatya1667]

Nothing leads to God because everything is within it.

[@brandonfranklin4533]

Sue the psychologist reminds me of the mom from the original Roseanne sitcom.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

God's free will sovereignty

[@kandansaikon3556]

Observing a moving car on the road we may conclude that the car is conscious. The car seem conscious in avoiding any accidents, conscious in staying on the foad, conscious in observing the road signs, conscious in where it going. Who is making the car seems to be conscious? THE DRIVER. If the driver leaves the the car, the car may still be 'alived' but UNCONSCIOUS. Thus when we are asleep, we are still alive but temperorily unconscious. We die in our sleep if our 'consciousness' fail to return to our body. Our consciousness is our 'soul' and is deteched from our body. When we die our body rot and return to the soil but our soul live on with a new body in a new dimension.

[@scottlouissmith2382]

I think it would be very, very interesting for your intellectual mind to have a interview with Morgue from the KZbin channel Morgue Official.

[@holley220l2]

Dec 2017....2 weeks before my dad died....he dreamed he died...and was aware...he had died. He said he wasn't scared....just that he was aware. So explain that!...

[@petermartell568]

inner awareness is totally natural. There is no mystery to consciousness. and it ends with brain death.

[@tedgrant2]

I've just been sitting in my yard, enjoying the sunshine, with my dog at my feet. Suddenly, I felt a few drops of rain, but decided it wasn't worth going indoors yet. My dog, on the other hand, raised himself up, shook his whole body and went indoors. He was obviously conscious of the rain and decided what to do about it, proving God exists.

[@zavianwilson6070]

the premises you posed does not logically lead to the conclusion drawn

[@tedgrant2]

@@zavianwilson6070 The fact that my dog is conscious and makes decisions proves he has a soul. Souls do not occur naturally, so they must be created by a higher power (God). It is my belief that my dog will go to Heaven when he dies. He is a good boy !

[@vhawk1951kl]

Is it necessary to "prove" the existence of God, and to whom?

[@tedgrant2]

@@vhawk1951kl It isn't necessary to prove anybody exists, but I am convinced my wife exists. The list of jobs she gives me is proof enough.

[@vhawk1951kl]

​@@tedgrant2 I wasn't the chap that used the words proof or prove in conjunction with the word God, he was not me that wrote: "he was obviously conscious of the rain and decided what to do about it, proving God exists.

[@newdawnrising8110]

The idea of God solves it for me Sue. Very easily bc that’s reality. I hope you will come to experience this truth one day.

[@threestars2164]

What? Why would a natural phenomenon be proof of an omnipotent being? Is rain, wind, and lightning proof too?

[@uthman2281]

What would be proof according to you?