What is Nothing? | Episode 1212 | Closer To Truth

[@weirdsciencetv4999]

This man has to be the most interesting person I have ever seen, simply from his search for the meaning and truth of our existence, his unrelenting curiosity. It’s also cool he grasps both the physics and philosophy involved.

[@shazanali692]

Known the guy since 2000 so cool u finally met him, these questions are easily opened by the host

[@rokpodlogar6062]

he keeps cutting people off while talking though.

[@artcruz5603]

I agree with you 💯 percent!!

[@TheGreatAlan75]

@Jeffrey Smith what r you talking about?

[@TheGreatAlan75]

@Jeffrey Smith you're the only fool on here, fool.

[@spearfishingmiami]

So much substance in this show. We need more of this and less mainstream media. Excellent channel.

[@aprilmay578]

LOL! Your willful ignorance for rejecting critical thinking is so sad. This is why ignorance is growing by leaps and bounds.

[@hendrikjut]

Hello, i'm i Dutch philosopher and have been thinking about (the) nothing for about 23 years and counting. My grammer is not so good on paper let alone in another language but i do want to share some of what i have discoverd. Now i can't explain everything, the trains of thought how i got there nor what i exactly mean by them because of the language barrier and some quote will lose some of it's "value" because of the translation (so i wish you were Dutch ;)) But here i go. First of some quotes i thought of along the way when thinking about (the) nothing: - The shortest moment in history is the one that did not yet have a past (So what's before that....) - Nothing is something that is'n't there - Nothing is a thought that is not being used (what is a thought, what is it before it becomes a thought, what is it after it's been observed but nothing has been done with it) -Everything doesn't have a counterpart because it is allready nothing (for this i would need to speak in Dutch to explain) There is a lot more inside my head regarding this topic but it is to difficult for me to explain in English. I do want to thank you for this episode because i've never in my life untill now come across people who've also been busy with this witch felt lonely because i could talk about it because they didn't find this "stuf" interesting so thanks again. Greetings from Holland, Cees

[@rizwansyed7714]

Same here bro.. Wish we were friends on FB so that we could share our experience

[@mohammadsareh4732]

When you try to define you fall in the nature and attributes. Nothingness is subject of existence not nature notice I did not spell nature with capital N. Existence alone is in contrast with nonexistence. The absolute existence is the one has no contrast.

[@projectmalus]

What is nothing could be asked as "what is more real, nothing or the reality we experience". Look at the nothingness that is perfect in the moment, without time and definition. Is there possibilities at that point or in the relation, or in the thing related to (like the universe). It's possible that the nothingness is more real because...when the definition (the universe) is made, it then becomes kind of obsolete, the possibility part of it is diminished by entropy. The universe is like a flash memory imprint in the moment. A little piece of the moment stays but is eroded as the pattern fades. The expression of/that is the universe both erodes it and gives it meaning, at least for us!

[@Paradigm2012Shift]

The concept of "Nothing" represented by the number "0" (zero) did not exist in the beginning. The number "0" (zero) is a relatively recent human innovation in mathematics. But, there has always been "1" (one). The fact that you (1) exist and can think about the concept of "nothing" (0) shows that there already exists one (1), YOU. Thus, nothing (0) does not truly exist: only One (1) exists who can ponder the concept of nothing (0). Mathematically, Absolute nothing "could be" expressed as 0 to the power of 0, which can equal 1. Are we Closer to Truth yet?

[@Mystipaoniz]

I've been in the nothingness. Nothing to see there ^^ Focus on the "wholeness", and then the nothingness will come. I guess it's the order. ^^ I wonder though. Could be the opposite, or it could not matter at all. As far as i know, not many people experienced both state and so could tell what is it they had first. Nothingness or "wholeness". Wow i'm thinking. Not everyone will experience "wholeness" but everyone will experience nothingness. One you will remember, the other one you won't. ^^ Maybe i'm talking crap i don't know, you guys think, i'm dumb and tired ^^

[@ronaldogilley4274]

It’s possible that there is no such thing as nothing. Nothing may just be a concept. Whatever gave birth to our universe may be eternal. Eternity is also another concept that the human mind cannot fully grasp. Great stuff! Despite our limitations, human curiosity will continue to propel us forward.

[@skwalka6372]

A simple way to visualize nothing is to imagine you open up the skull of a Trump worshipper and look inside.

[@flux9433]

We can imagine eternity that's easy we can grasp that concept by using self sustaining energy, we can't grasp nothing cause it's impossible for us, i think this is the limit of everything!

[@toonvdwielen596]

Keepster us thinking

[@jykox]

@@flux9433 i fink real nothingnes exist only in to the unknown future and that would be everything that still not found yet by the everything what's hapening in any existence until this moment, so everything we know now before we knew was in the state of nothingness and all possibilities who are not found yet exists in the state of nothingness, but that nothingness state of possibilities always growing with each new thing that comes to existence so i fink here is no end to existing things couse here is no end of possibilities and things who are still in non existing nothingness state to be found from nothingness infini. This is like counting numbers, with u know it is infinite but the numbers who are not mentioned or found yet in the all of existence of everything, exists only in nothinges state like futures possibilities to be found. So total nothingness exists and it growing equally to the existing thing and it is no end to this proces, so nothingness is endless state equally balancing with already existing things

[@stompthedragon4010]

A concept is something. I

[@melmill1164]

Best show on the internet. So informative and educational. Makes you think and analyze life.

[@mirzamay]

"Philosophy is a very difficult and frustrating field and I wish I'd been a novelist instead". ☺ Gold.

[@jayabalamurugan974]

if One want to establish fact philosophy begans where science ends,go to children's to get answers for complex question. Parents can't answer them when they ask.where.were they before they burn! They provide their imaganitive answers to hide.their ignorance,friend

[@stephenmason5682]

Who is holding you back?

[@jykox]

i fink real nothingnes exist only in to the unknown future and that would be everything that still not found yet by the everything what's hapening in any existence until this moment, so everything we know now before we knew was in the state of nothingness and all possibilities who are not found yet exists in the state of nothingness, but that nothingness state of possibilities always growing with each new thing that comes to existence so i fink here is no end to existing things couse here is no end of possibilities and things who are still in non existing nothingness state to be found from nothingness infini. This is like counting numbers, with u know it is infinite but the numbers who are not mentioned or found yet in the all of existence of everything, exists only in nothinges state like futures possibilities to be found. So total nothingness exists and it growing equally to the existing thing and it is no end to this proces

[@captainmamuka]

Thanks a lot for all your work and very interesting videos. I am watching all of them.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Just making one's bed is more profound then this debate.

[@Nephthy666]

I’m so beyond grateful to have found this amazing channel ❤️

[@danzigvssartre]

“Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." - Wittgenstein.

[@stoobydootoo4098]

That's cos he's deid!

[@stoobydootoo4098]

@Tattletale RED I know all this.

[@atiphwyne5609]

@Tattletale Hermès If the cat or dog is more intelligent why am I not reading a post about it from them?

[@Nissenov]

@@atiphwyne5609 If you were as smart as the dogs and cats, you would already know the answer to that.

[@atiphwyne5609]

@@Nissenov Tell me my most 'intelligent' friend were your parents dogs and cats who taught you how to be so intelligent?

[@ModestNeophyte]

i love that this channel allows me to entertain long-held questions, and yet the language used is *usually* simple enough for a high school grad to keep up with. edification right on my level. so good!

[@michaelhall2709]

With ya there, Modest. Ofttimes I wish that my brains were half as powerful as my curiosity. 😊

[@philipteater3714]

I love the structure Robert is on. I am glad it exists. The 9 levels of nothing is a good rendering.

[@TristanG21]

Dr. Robert, It’s amazing how you find the right questions for the right person! Closer to Truth is hallmark in human history. Best regards

[@rajkhivsare3734]

I like the way Robert Kuhn asks the questions and the different subjects in this videos. Great work and keep it up.

[@sourensarkar2022]

Thanks!

[@Ry-Bread5923]

Who else thought this as a kid in bed looking at the ceiling

[@digiswitch]

here

[@mitseraffej5812]

Try and remember of before birth. That to me is a notion of nothing and where we are all heading.

[@mall7202]

Hi friend

[@OneEmanation]

J Wyd what’s the difference between there having to be a necessary being vs a necessary universe?

[@Triliton]

Me, endless sleepless night. Sometimes now as an adult too.. But my own opinion about nothing is, that there never was nothing at all, and that theres always been something. That is why our universe exist at all.

[@TheGreatAlan75]

Wow, Dr Kuhn doesn't even have patreon or any of that stuff, he just uploads for fun. Awesome

[@WoodstockG54]

I actually had to write a 500 word essay in grade 3 on this topic because I was up to no good and when the teacher asked me what I was doing, I answered, “nothing”. I should had held on to that.

[@shashekeb]

Closer to Truth is the best thing that has ever happened on this planet so far

[@jeffamos9854]

Nothing describes my cats appreciation for giving him food, cleaning his litter box and living in my house rent free.

[@stoobydootoo4098]

Doesn't s/he bring you dead sparrows? Damn freeloader!

[@jeffamos9854]

Maverick Shaw Nah. Maybe sometimes my cat wants to evict me.

[@Nissenov]

You Mean that he lets you bring him food, letting you clean the litter box. And letting you live in his house rent free.? Perhaps it is time you bring him some dead sparrows you free loader ;)

[@daddada2984]

That cat doesn't even know you own her or him.

[@Mercy-lb5rq]

Thank you for your post I thought I'd throw in my two cents for whatever is worth probably only two cents I believe my cat even though I delusionally think to be domesticated which rather underneath the surface is a feral life forces reads me and mirrors who I am. Example being come in the door if I get in I stop for a minute and view where the cats are and what they're doing it measures the energy I bring what if we're being tracked all the time it's not what we do or what we say but who we are behind our words. meow meow!

[@africanandproud6792]

Best channel on KZbin. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing is quite like it.

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

Haven't seen nothing whats it like.If nothing is quite like it you must have seen nothing.

[@garybala000]

“Nothin’ from nothin' leaves nothin' You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me” - song by Billy Preston

[@davebullard]

Can I say how refreshing it is for this content to have atonal theme music? Apparently I can.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

The same idea used to frighten me as a child too. I would formulate it in my head as "What is there supposed be other than our entire existence? What would occupy its place if it didn't exist?"

[@aprilmay578]

That is a very easy question to answer... Something else.

[@SuperOlivegrove]

I totally agree. It's intriguing to learn of something, and more so of nothing. I doubt we'll ever know or comprehend

[@tonybklyn5009]

I enjoyed this video immensely. An all consuming question that can never be adequately answered.

[@b.g.5869]

Sure it can. They're making it more complicated than it is. The problem is he is fundamentally confused about what "Nothing" means. Nothing isn't a thing. It refers to that which does not and cannot exist. It's not merely empty space. It's absolute absence of everything. It's not possible for there to have ever been true nothingness. Physicists often try to speak of 'quantum froth' or a vacuum as though it were nothing, but those are very much somethings. So the question "Why isn't there Nothing?" is incoherent. The real mystery is why is that which does exist the way it is and not something else.

[@grattata4364]

@@b.g.5869 I think the real problem is that you haven't grasped the complexity of this question

[@b.g.5869]

@@grattata4364 I think you need to present sound arguments and compelling evidence that would support your assertion. Otherwise your words are irrelevant.

[@TheGreatAlan75]

I love this guy's videos

[@romliahmadabdulnadzir1607]

There is already something (laws, broken symmetry etc.) rather than Nothing (symmetry and order without time and space) once chosen not by choice: 1= Nothing i.e. ON and bright 0= Something i.e. OFF and dark Our world is currently 0 = 1+ (-1) i.e OFF and dark where we are already chosen into something rather than nothing. Another explanation is that time initially is zero (OFF and Dark) and move forward to finally One (Nothing and Bright). In layman term, Initial zero, when we were born and finally One, when we die. Suggest closer to truth.

[@nrbanerjee9274]

Very interesting observation. I feel, if we consider that there are multiverses , then also we can start thinking of nothing only when we are convinced that there is a final border of something ( i.e the physical existence of possible multiverses) . If we consider there is nothing outside that border, but then nothing is also something…….

[@114thp7]

very interesting. Thank you for uploading it to KZbin.

[@intheair1987]

I had the same question and came to the conclusion that, as logic dictates, if there was absolutely nothing, there would have never been anything. Therefore, there must have always been something. We naturally assume that the beginning would be emptiness because we perceive the reality in causality, and causality is derived from the flow of time. From what I’ve learned, the past, present, future, multiverses and everything exist simultaneously.

[@fichinesonline]

Exactly. I think the same. Somethingness must be infinte, so everything exists except nothingness.

[@moagiletlala8594]

I fully agree with you.

[@jjharvathh]

Does not answer question about why there is something.

[@chaotickreg7024]

I don't think you've studied logic. I don't see any premises leading to conclusions.

[@АндрейДенькевич]

Your are absolutely right, i also consider nothing to be begin. For example NOTHING 3 and BEGIN 3 have same 2 properties : 1. They do not exist( can't be found in time( have no energy)) 2. They indiscernible( can't be found in space(have no matter)). And if lost property 1 but not property 2 then BEGIN 3 became ENERGY 3 And if lost property 2 but not property 1 then BEGIN 3 became END 3. And if lost both property's then BEGIN 3 became REAl THING 3. So NOTHING 3 is are BEGIN 3, but any begin means begin of something. Conclusion : Nothing cause something. Nothing we call nothing because it throw out from inner self something and became empty. So more exactly, something cause nothing. Even more: SOMETHING N cause NOTHINGNESS N+1.

[@morgunstyles7253]

So from the other side of the fence... if there was nothing, we wouldnt know it. There would be nothing to know.

[@szabolcsferenczi5558]

From the question "What is Nothing?", immediately, Heidegger comes to my mind, with his short treatise titled "What is metaphysics?" where after an interesting intellectual tour (he finds a surprising explanation by the way) he returns to the question first raised (I think) by Leibniz: “Why are there beings at all, and why not rather nothing?”---But all these eminent contemporary philosophers did not mention anything like that. Why?

[@michaelhall2709]

The very self-contradiction of the question “What if nothing ever existed?” reveals our inherent limitations in considering it. This was, for my money (i.e. next to nothing) one of the best episodes of a series I’ve long admired. The last five minutes detailing the nine potential levels of “Nothing” were positively mind-blowing.

[@alpha.wintermute]

This video had a lot of character and I enjoyed it. The production value was great and the topic is personally interesting to me

[@stevecoley8365]

Nothing is completely absent of light, warmth, love, life, joy, magic, meaning, beauty and wisdom.

[@thriceconcussed1]

Damn you, modal logic! For this entire video all I could picture in my mind is a string of squares, diamonds, and tilde.

[@thatpoetbobbymask8710]

Nothing He sat in the darkness With nothing around Not a sight to be seen Not a thing to be found Not a thing to be found As he sat there alone And thought 'how can i call All this nothing my home' For there's so much inside me To make this alright So in four perfect words He said "Let there be light"

[@yn4601]

When I was seven years old, while seating on a big armchair in our livingroom , this exact question came to my mind. I was alone , so there was no one for me to ask for some help. I tried my best to come up with a solution to this hard question. Of course, no devine answer was sent into my brain to help me out with this bothering question. After a while, I found myself standing on my head while holding to the armchairs's armrests, trying to balance myself. Maybe my despair had driven me to look at the problem from a litterly different angle. And then a new terrifying question appeared in my mind: if nothing was the rule , thus absolutly nothing exists, then surely even nothing can not exist too. But then if even nothing can not exists, then.. Then I fell off the armchair. This is why a lonely child (in a small town at the Israeli Negev dessert in my case) should have at least one or more meaningful adults in his life , who can help him/her out with life's deeper questions.

[@bernhardbauer5301]

These guys have a PhD and do not even know what nothing is. How can anyone expect them to know what something is.

[@kerrfoot]

had the same experience, maybe a little younger. I remember riding in the back seat of the car with my parents, we were driving into a Sunset, I was gazing at the clouds, and it hit me. So hard to put in words but something like "what if there was nothing" or, "how could there be anything else". Really cool that others have had similar experiences.

[@tgc281]

I had the same experience riding in my moms car. I then kept trying to imagine what would nothing look like.

[@jaisbrennan7696]

Wdym "how could there be anything else?"

[@ronvelderman3998]

There had to be Something to think about Nothing, but by thinking about Nothing it becomes something

[@guncreep9905]

I once had this very vivid feeling of nothingness surrounding the everything . I felt everything inside me (it was very exciting) and made a step back, when suddenly I was like dissolving into nothing, and was completely shocked ! I heard this statement from others too . Is here somewhere here who experienced the same ? Because it was so vivid and felt so real I ask myself if there is a reality to it . Bonjour de France les amis ✌😉👍🇫🇷

[@titan-one]

Yes I’ve had that

[@epicenterbasshd9636]

Yes after taking psychedelic shoomies

[@misterhill5598]

You have experienced emptiness (empty space). It is not the same as "nothingness that Robert is referring to in this video. Emptiness/empty space is something that Chan Buddhism student feel when they meditate. I feel this emptiness as well when I meditate. It is strange at first, but experiencing it a few times and it will feel liberating. It feels free, feels like we are one with the space around us, one with space in the universe. This is a good thing. According to Chan Buddhism, Emptiness/empty space is the basic building block of our universe, the natural state where all things starts from and will return to. I agree with them. Imagine we keep breaking the atom to smaller and smaller pieces all the way to infinity, pass the Plank, what do we get? empty space of course. Chan Buddhism is also known as Zen Buddhism in Japan Robert's "nothing" is different. His "nothingness" is the lack of time, space, matters, lack of everything.

[@guncreep9905]

@@misterhill5598 Je m'exprime pas très bien en anglais ! J'ai ressenti (très vivement ) le néant, le rien ,une espèce de vacuité qui m'aspirait et me dissoudait en rien . J'étais choquée, pendant une semaine, après cet événement !...je n'était pas entrain de méditer. J'écoutait le récit de mon frère, à qui ceci était arrivé aussi (celà l'as plongé dans une sévère schizophrénie ). Je ne suis pas sûr de ce que tu veux m'expliquer. I felt dissolved to nothing !!! Like disappearing.

[@guncreep9905]

@@misterhill5598 You may be right ! It felt like something "real " ,something inherently stamped in our existence. Something that everyone could experience.

[@BROWNDIRTWARRIOR]

Equally vexing is how could there always have been something. Contemplating this deeply enough can be frightening and lead to the notion that existence is impossible.

[@jro3213]

What blows my mind about nothing is I always want to by default visualize it as blackness, a black void. But the color black is something. So I literally can't seem to conceive of what nothing looks like

[@owie34]

Aristotle: nothing is what a rock sees or: what you see out of your elbow

[@piuskuchang254]

If there is a mind making or creating another mind the later cant equal the former.

[@Existidor.Serial137]

I dont think we as conscious beings can visualize it. We cant have blank thoughts. Maybe you can view it as your subjective reality before you were conceived...

[@heatherfling7820]

Love this beautiful channel. That’s a great question. Now I’m wondering. Very interesting question and great topic.

[@alphaomega1351]

There is no such thing as nothing. There was always something. 😶

[@rl7012]

Exactly,

[@ggghgf885]

That's the more peaceful

[@jonathanspruance4502]

Exactly. The default position of reality has to be that of 'somethingness' and reality transcends the very concepts of 'something' and 'nothing', which are probably higher-level abstractions that we mistakenly see as fundamental.

[@jeffn6739]

No homo…. I listen to this when going to sleep. His voice is comforting and steady….

[@WillDanceAlone2U]

The question, instead is, "Is there something?" No mind, no thing.

[@Anomicx]

The question of nothingness is paradoxical as nothingness holds the potential for manifesting everything conceivable and inconceivable

[@Seekthetruth3000]

A universe coming from nothing makes no sense to me.

[@TheGreatAlan75]

A god creating us and then leaving us to suffer at the hands of idiot Democrats makes no sense to me

[@vf3le]

Yeah me too

[@dr.OgataSerizawa]

Seekthetruth3000 Who said the universe came from nothing?

[@cherub6723]

Something has to come from nothing

[@lucifer.Morningstar369]

@@cherub6723 nothing can't create something

[@pateazolut7970]

Found out, a helpful channel. thank you👍. Ur steady rigorous voice and oratory skill are so impressive

[@romliahmadabdulnadzir1607]

There is already something (laws, broken symmetry etc.) rather than Nothing (symmetry and order) once chosen not by choice: 1= Nothing i.e. ON and bright 0= Something i.e. OFF and dark Our world is currently 0 = 1+ (-1) i.e OFF and dark where we are already chosen into something rather than nothing. Another explanation is that time initially is zero (OFF and Dark) and move forward to finally One (Nothing and Bright). In layman term, Initial zero, when we were born and finally One, when we die. Suggest closer to truth.

[@normative]

This discussion makes me wonder whether the question, while on face perfectly intelligible, can actually be formulated clearly. We make claims like “it’s possible that…” or “there could have been…” relative to different domains of possibility (physical, logical, mathematical, psychological, historical, etc). It might be true in one sense that “I could have been a fireman” (it involves no logical contradiction; it violates no fundamental law of physics) but not in another sense (maybe the causal history of “me” in the actual world made it determinate that I would not be a fireman). It’s not at all clear to me what we actually mean when we say “there could have been nothing,” because it breaks the assertion breaks the domains that license possibility claims. “Is it physically possible for there to have been no matter, and no laws of physics?” feels a bit like “Is it legal in chess for there to be no chess?” Gramatically the question seems well-formed, but it ends up being a sort of nonsense. The tacit premise is that we can make claims about possibility-as-such not anchored to any particular domain, but it’s not clear to me that’s a coherent thing to do.

[@milindphadnis3990]

The last man in the red shirt should be offered the role of "architect" in one of the Matrix movies. He is an expert in the act of "rendition of confusing language to bamboozle everyone".

[@1thomson]

I love how Robert listens intently to some of these answers and, then, ends that segment with a sort of blank expression on his face, as though he doesn't know what to make of what the interviewee just said. He doesn't say anything. He doesn't smirk or smile or screw up his face or anything. He just stares blankly. I'm pretty sure that he's trying to convey the sense that he's not being judgmental, but I get the feeling that it's a subtle criticism of the interviewee's response, just the same. Still, I can't be sure. And that pleases me because I often have a polite WTF? response myself. Ha.

[@tomingrassiaimages8776]

I have noticed this and tend to agree with you. It could also be that he can not figure out how to respond. I think he is brilliant though, based on how many times he asks incredibly pertinent follow up questions.

[@anpolar]

it's because it's only an excerpt from a longer interview. Often times he is still listening, and you can here the interviewee's voice fade out.

[@srs1659]

His face = my face

[@2msvalkyrie529]

He realises he's just listened to a load of waffle which has brought him no nearer to an Answer..?

[@hichembachirbouiadjra9511]

Hi, thanks again for the fantastic work. I think that the asked question here is really why something need to have a reason ? The causation principle is elevated to absolute necessity without saying it, that’s a seems to be the flaw in such question ...

[@asherklatchko3219]

Exactly, if there would be nothing, you wouldn’t have to ask the question.

[@Existidor.Serial137]

nothing only exists as a thought experiment of a conscious being

[@ShowUsTruth]

Like I commented on the "why is there everything" video Which is we cannot comprehend nothing because we live in everything.

[@alexsaves]

Great episode. I had the same moment when I was young - "What if there hadn't been anything at all?"

[@jasguy2715]

I have thought about that many times, what if there is nothing at all! I tried to imagine that, no God, no existence, nothing, just nothing, but then my mind sort of snapback like an elastic band after you stretch it. you can't go beyond a certain point of imagining this. I've come to the conclusion that absolutely nothing cannot exist because even nothing is something so there had to be something even if it was nothing, because nothing is something.

[@kratomseeker5258]

this is a very good question. this is why i believe in everything because "nothing" does not exist.

[@ManForToday]

I kind of don't get why Robert can't see his misunderstanding of the concept of nothing. 1) How can there 'be' nothing? There can't. Let's phrase it negatively to be congruent with nothing as a universal negation. Why could there have not been anything? ('could' here unavoidably implies that at least possibilities are necessary, as mentioned in the video). 2) If there had not / could have not been anything, then it would be true there had not / could not have been anything. You can't get absolute nothingness and say about it that it's true there is absolute nothingness (isn't absolutely anything). You can't avoid the existence of true propositions it seems. Therefore, nothing is impossible. There is something because there has to be. The real questions ought to be: What makes there to be something other than mere possibility? You couldn't explain it by saying some mechanism turned the possibility into an actuality because that mechanism itself would require explaining either contingently or necessarily. Whatever way we can even conceive of thinking about it, the end point will be that some absolute necessity (presuppositionless) grounds all possibilities and existent things. Like what, if not God? (An ontologically-absolute being, spaceless, timeless, immaterial, uncaused, logically and metaphysically necessary, and the embodiment of truth).

[@Existidor.Serial137]

That mechanisim that turns possibilty into actuality is called "decoherence". Without it, there would be no defined reality. There would only exist a quantum soup of possibilites existing as a mathematical abstraction, each one with deferent levels of probabilities to become actualities.

[@AI-wh9vv]

How local or GLOBAL is the question refering to ????

[@1stPrinciples455]

"Nothing" in itself is Something. Thats why we have a word for it. "Nothing" by definition cannot be Nothing Since we define it as Something that can be defined. This is the problem with Language. Everything we know is communicated using this problematic or flawed tool. So we will never know the absolute reality. Guaranteed by language

[@preasidium13]

Nothing isn’t a positive statement. That is, it’s not referring to something but rather the absence of a thing. If nothing were to refer to something then logical statements such as (p & ~p) would not be contradictory. For p and ~p would be two different “somethings” and not refer to the same thing. So, even linguistically, nothing is still not a “something”.

[@1stPrinciples455]

@@preasidium13 the fact that it's defined makes it a something. I think you missed my initial point

[@michalpetrilak3976]

Exactly. This problem is about language and concepts in language, like trying to find a corner in a circular room.

[@1stPrinciples455]

@@michalpetrilak3976 and all we humans have is language for communicating everything. Art has a limit or flaw or inaccuracy when used to describe Science

[@michalpetrilak3976]

@@1stPrinciples455 I understood exactly what you wrote. As I've read some of the posts here below the video, the vast majority of people engage in various constructs nonsensically because they are constantly starting from their own idea of the concept of "nothing". There is no "nothing" in ultimate reality. I have to stop here, because the concept of "ultimate reality" translated into words is utterly ungraspable by science, beyond its reach. "Ultimate reality" is only realizable as the transcendent experience of the individual. It is beyond all human concepts, terms, words and definitions.

[@iyepmamun2315]

Nothing is something beyond our imagination.

[@NoOne-me3je]

Nothing is impossible! 😄 thought of that by myself

[@machintelligence]

Nothing is also unstable.

[@Dnboyy]

nowhere to now here! who woulda thought

[@Ekam-Sat]

Whenever I turn on the news or youtube I seem to loose braincells; except with this type of content so grateful.

[@samvirtuel7583]

If something appeared from nothing then where and when this thing appeared if there is neither where nor when? It's very disturbing, it can make you lose your sleep. The answer could be that there is indeed nothing, the only phenomenon that exists is consciousness.

[@glenemma1]

..''the only phenomenon that exists is consciousness''. Is this nothing?

[@TomAnderson_81]

When and where are “things” that appear from nothing, in consciousness

[@daniel4647]

@@glenemma1 It's possible consciousness could have evolved out of nothing. If nothingness started perceiving itself it would cease to be nothing and become a point in space. So it goes from being nothing to becoming two things, a point and space. And then there was math, universe, everything. Or the universe just created itself in it's own future and there was never and will never be any nothing, easy answer. Personally I think it started with nothing though.

[@glenemma1]

@@daniel4647 That is a good response. Nothing to me is nothing and I don't understand how it could change. How could it begin perceiving itself ? Even calling nothing ''it'' makes no sense. You can't call it anything. There is nothing there. Nothing is impossible to imagine, or to conceive in any way, because as soon as we do, we are turning it into something. Nothing literally doesn't exist. I think there is ''something'' which never began, is always, outside of time and space, and inconceivable to us. We are like figures in a painting who become aware and are trying to describe the artist who created the picture. We come up with some great answers ( to us), but we may be so far off the mark it's not funny.

[@scottmiller4295]

depends what universe model you go with. if you live in a membrane universe, then it is matter of time, at some point your "braine" will collide and kick off another universe. the energy generated generates the fields/particles/matter. if you live in a singularity universe, you are a point that one day quantum fluctuations came along and sprung a universe to life, on long time scales stuff happens, including stuff like emerging universes. OR you live in the singularity universe and your universe is series of expansions collapses and reexpansions. then you need to dig back to the very start? see above i guess. OR you believe in multiverse theory which acts much like quantum theory in that anything will eventually happen on very long time scales.

[@kcleach9312]

soon as you even think about nothing it becomes something

[@fred_2021]

It seemed like a good idea at the start, but people like to make something of it :)

[@hendrikjut]

Ps: Thought creates itself and it needs nothing to do so. (Multiple interpretations.....)

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Not exactly, first the soul and then thought.

[@daniel4647]

What that guy said about since we know there is something then in nothing there would at least have to be the possibility of something which no longer makes it nothing, that makes a lot of sense. That's pretty much definite proof that true nothing is impossible. That also sort of answers why is there something, because it's possible. Good video.

[@chriscartwright3428]

I'm gonna go get high and forget all this

[@Hank254]

You should get high and PONDER this stuff instead.

[@gabpinto5633]

10-4

[@rockets4kids]

you will forget nothing

[@blakeunage8058]

I'm gonna go get low and remember all of this

[@kennethyoung105]

I love these deep thinking questions I love to find answers and come up with the best one that I can find to be the right answer.great video and I love ur work and dedication to find the ultimate and biggest question on the beginning and god.thank you.♥️🙏🌎

[@Primus_suspectus]

In Hindu philosophy, this "nothingness" is called "Shiva". Everything originates from nothingness and goes back to nothingness. This is the realm where mathematics breaks. It's where zero and Infinity co exist as a single entity.

[@TheWayofFairness]

I maintain that there is no coexist. 0=infinity. It is not 2 it is not even 1 it is 0 Shunyata means zero

[@Kram668]

Currently yes, algebra breaks when u reach the transantantal number ie: pi and e. But give math a chance it's only currently 12000years old. And hasn't quite catched up to physics yet.

[@Primus_suspectus]

@@Kram668 Mathematics only applies to "something" as opposed to "nothing". We have fancy ways of setting boundaries in math - zero & infinity. Physics only explains reality. The reality is that everything has to be contained in something (like stars in a galaxy, galaxies in the universe, universe in who-knows-what) you keep going up the hierarchy until you say everything is contained in nothing. That's a hard thing to refute.

[@Kram668]

@@Primus_suspectus well said. I'm with u all the way until "until… ". My train of thought would say instead "… until you say every thing is contained in [something eternal]". I have hight hops in time that eternal thing will be 'Math'. I mean it already exists outside time and space ^_^ (well if u in the camp that math is discovered, scratch that if u think it's invented :)

[@Kram668]

@@Primus_suspectus +just processed what u were realy saying about 0. I guess we differ because I don't believe 0 is really their, aka his def is like a revers-footprint somehow only. Following that thought, maths could be all around nothing… *sight* time to turn myself off and on again.

[@jonathanaragones6888]

I always learned new things. Just for a thought, if zero (0) is defined as one (1) then this two object exist at the same time. At this characteristics of these objects we can define the Zero(0) as a container and One(1) is the count of the container. So then, what is nothing and something? Something is the definition of its existence called One(1) and so what is Nothing, is it the Zero(0)? But then zero is One(1). To get the answer you must ask the right question. Which one is first (0) or (1) and which one is first Something or Nothing. Then at this position you can define the character of Zero as to be Something, and then One(1) can be nothing. When I ask someone, if one(1) is removed, will there be still one(1)? And they always answered me "no more one(1)", because 1 - 1 is equals nothing. Why not Zero(0)? because Nothing is the inexistence of One(1), so then the imaginary number exist so called the Negative One (-1). At this analogy in all counts of One(1) there will always be a Two(2) objects and the minus one (-1) as the motion, at this, you can now relate it to the zone of Time. For me this is the foundation of Numbers in the Universe. Can I ask a question? If you can imagine to reversely removed everything and what will be the last thing you can think that will be the left over? Is it the Time or the Space itself but what it consist to define these two, if you want to removed them? From this, you can say that there should be the very last left over. Is it the force that started it? what this force consist of? Let say the Space itself become space because of this force and what will that be? Lets put a variable of this Space as a container called Zero(0). Who define this Zero to be existed? Could the Zero try to define itself. Let say Zero start to identify that he is alone Zero but then you can conclude that he become One(1) just by looking the other like Zero(0)? At this motion you can then tell that a force exist as a motion to find. So, did it start all by explosion? Sometimes this force called as Holy. Is the Creator consist of this force or made by this Force?

[@gr33nDestiny]

The simulation E8 thing appeals to me right now, life is the possibility of maths existing

[@gr33nDestiny]

Reckless Abandon what does reals mean?

[@gr33nDestiny]

Reckless Abandon real number?

[@gr33nDestiny]

You can Fibonacci from a division

[@lucifer.Morningstar369]

Ik about e8 and it's common to see the e8 pattern in altered states of conciousness. Like dmt or shroom experiences can cause the experience of being in the e8 lattice. So reality is living mathematical equations of energy.

[@rswatzl3]

That’s one of the best episodes!

[@richter018]

There's no such thing as nothing, there never was.

[@glz1]

Haa Haaa

[@domersgay28647]

He forgot number 9 no blackness or darkness

[@ticketforlife2103]

@@domersgay28647 Blackness and darkness can't exist without spacetime.

[@domersgay28647]

@@ticketforlife2103 my sentiment exactly

[@Kram668]

@Twenty Faces sure they are. Check out Xeno paradox

[@SRS-GAMES]

Brilliant as always Robert.

[@Ploskkky]

True nothing is inconceivable. Just the question "What IS nothing." makes no sense at all. Nothing can't be something. Even our language can't deal with the concept. Personally I do not believe there was ever nothing, there can't be nothing, I think, because nothing can't BE. We can not even imagine nothing, because then we imagine something. There is not way around it. Absolute nothingness is a ridiculous concept. The closest I come to the experience of nothingness is listening to a theologian.

[@finomhiphopandskate]

the thing i dont understand about your point is why does the inconceivability of a concept make it impossible?

[@everready2903]

And yet we get taught that the big bang created everything including matter and energy. Then we're told energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Physical reality is probably infinitely bigger than we can grasp. Science sees old stars dying and new stars being created all the time. Perhaps the big bang for our observable universe was just a new universe being created in a much larger dimension where trillions upon trillions of similar or indeed larger universes are continually being created.

[@clam4597]

@S Gloobal Ha I can't even imagine there's no elephant in my bedroom.

[@ticketforlife2103]

It can, and it's existence might be the sprout of all existence

[@djacob7]

If Nothing didn't exist, Everything would have no bounds.

[@anitaheubel3228]

All That Is, is the excitation of Nothing(ness). Yes, I have experienced Nothing(ness) all my childhood and youth. The last episode was at the age of 18 years when I finally figured that my duty was to Live, and to fill the Nothing with my Life. Since then I have not experienced Nothing(ness) again. Now, at 70 years of age I give my Self and Soul to Nothing(ness) as I feel that I am It’s child. And in return I feel such a sublime Love, so warm, so divine…..

[@xmilchellexdelarosa3042]

This Is A Proof On How Stupid We Are. Our Brain Is Having A Hard Time With This Topic What's The Topic? Nothing

[@somarandtheastronautape6518]

Nothing is a human construct, I usually take me - the human - from the equation, it is difficult for us to understand something when our minds are in the way, we judge our beliefs and our thoughts even in our subconscious. So... as nothing is a human construct alone, it is a wrong by nature, and could be completely ignored without any consequence for subsequent philosophic thoughts.

[@gbadesakin]

The best answer for me...

[@Existidor.Serial137]

Exactly. Not because we can think about it or imagine it means necessarily that that "concept" can have an "existance" in any reality. We can imagine all sorts of things in our heads, even ilogical or paradoxical, but that doesn´t make them real, in our universe or in any other reality or universe.

[@kuribojim3916]

That “one simple act”, though, isn’t really simple. Any agent that can make that choice must, by definition, be complex. I think that just pulls us into the infinite regress problem. By the way, I’ve commented on a few of your videos - but I don’t mean to criticise, just to share thoughts. I absolutely adore this channel, it’s wonderful.

[@maxcoletti]

Nothing 10 : no impossibilities. Hence from absolute Nothing, everything will spontaneously appear.

[@Balu9979]

Nothingness created Something so that the concept of Nothing becomes meaningful and significant. It is only because there is Something that the concept of Nothing becomes meaningful. Nothingness created Something so that we can speculate and wonder about Nothing.

[@thesprawl2361]

If there are "no impossibilities" then there are no possibilities either.

[@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646]

@@Balu9979 why do you spam this nonsense. Ill say it again, ANY attributes you give nothing, makes that a thing, not a nothing. Nothing cannot have abilities. You cannot see your own eyes with only your own eyes. You can only see forward. What is behind your area of vision? That is nothing, the area of vision you cannot see also cannot be given any attributes, there it is nothing. Not having attributes is not an attribute, bald is not a hair style, you need hair to have hair style.

[@Balu9979]

@@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Nothing and Something have been co-existing together since eternity. In fact, ancient philosophies called them by another name, manifest and unmanifest. Nothing and Something are contained in each other.

[@tomjackson7755]

@Zameen Z Take ALL of your accounts and troll elsewhere.

[@hckytwn3192]

8:20 And this is the answer: possibility is fundamental. Possibility isn’t a thing unto itself, but it is fully defined by the constraints put upon it. If there is nothing, then there are no constraints, thus possibility is infinite. This is the source and nature of the universe, the multiverse.

[@dr_shrinker]

“Something” is dependent on ‘nothing” to exist, and vice versa. The “something” is an emergent property of “nothing.” There are 2 possible states. “Something” and “nothing.” The time-space medium does not exist in the moments between the “somethings.” So on an infinite scale of the “True universe” ’ the moments between the birth and decay of matter, or observable universe , aka “something” is inconsequential. The observable (something) universe can phase in and out over what could be considered as a zillion to the zillionth power number of years, but it’s observed as instant, because time doesn’t exist in “nothing.’ The logical result is that “something’ must always exist, and “nothing” must always not exist. “Nothing’ can never be experienced, observed, or measured. We are always flanked by “nothings” but they are invisible to our awareness. The only awareness we have are the moments of something, between the periods of “nothing.’ Like the spaces between frames on a movie reel. It’s just that those frames can be 1 mm wide, or 400k miles wide. The net effect is the same, we ONLY see the “somethings” regardless of the area between the movie frames. So the only thing that ever exists, even on an infinite scale, are the ‘somethings.”

[@romliahmadabdulnadzir1607]

There is already something (laws, broken symmetry etc.) rather than Nothing (symmetry and order without time and space) once chosen not by choice: 1= Nothing i.e. ON and bright 0= Something i.e. OFF and dark Our world is currently 0 = 1+ (-1) i.e OFF and dark where we are already chosen into something rather than nothing. Another explanation is that time initially is zero (OFF and Dark) and move forward to finally One (Nothing and Bright). In layman term, Initial zero, when we were born and finally One, when we die. Suggest closer to truth.

[@edit4310]

The most beautiful comment here on this video. Put more simply: Nothing by it's very definition cannot exist, therefore, there must always be something.

[@billymcsweeney4559]

Love closer to truth !!

[@Scribe13013]

it's so boring that It had to create everything to cope

[@MrGODINTHEMAKING]

Nothing couldn't be bored if it never knew what entertainment is. Nothing will always be nothing thats it. Lol

[@MrGODINTHEMAKING]

@Stefano Portoghesi 💪🏾

[@Scribe13013]

@@MrGODINTHEMAKING there must have been currents of energy in the abyss...those currents became melodies and gave the nothing a kiss...thus the seed was born

[@MrGODINTHEMAKING]

@@Scribe13013 🤣🤣🤣😆🙌🏽

[@fredriksundberg4624]

@Scribe13 : Depeche Mode - Nothing - 101 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYOVdmd_qMRppac

[@willbrink]

The human mind can't comprehend the idea of nothing, and never will I suspect.

[@LadyLazarus1027]

I just thought something here. The question: "why does something exist in the universe instead of nothing?" made me come to the conclusion that something exists because nothingness is impossible, otherwise it would be the default mode of the universe (in this case, obviously it wouldn't exist). Therefore, nothingness exists only as a mental concept, not as a material, physical reality (again for obvious reasons, it is an analytical judgment), so the universe is something and everuthing, because nothingness is simply impossible other than as a concept.

[@Mystipaoniz]

Damn bloody good thinking. Why would the nothingness have to be the default mode though (of the universe)? How did you come to that? Just an assumption to continue the concept maybe? Why would nothingness couldn't exists, physically speaking? I like your idea i want to know more ^^

[@LadyLazarus1027]

@@Mystipaoniz because it's easier not to have anything than to have something. it's just easier not to exist matter and energy instead of them existing, you know? physically speaking. I also think a lot about the beginning of the universe, and I've often come to the conclusion that it is actually eternal, and eternity is just another concept the human mind has a hard time comprehending. but then there's the thing with the stretching of the universe that might indicate it did have beginning, so I'm still uncertain with this... And about nothingness, well, it works well as an abstract concept, but if you'd have this nothingness materially speaking, then you woudln't have anything, exactly because it's nothing. it can't exist objectively, because it's not a form, not a color, not a sound, not anything. it's just a word, it exists just philosophically or poetically speaking, not actually external to our minds...

[@Mystipaoniz]

@@LadyLazarus1027 Alright thanks for the fast answer ^^ I was ready to sleep though but i'll come back and think about what you said here. I'm dumbed down by the fatigue now, i wrote some comments there, drains my energy. And i'm not the smarter also so i need time haha Cheers! :)

[@LadyLazarus1027]

@@Mystipaoniz hahah take your time, this is the kind of question you can spend a lifetime thinking about. sweet dreams to you, don’t have nightmares with the nothingness ;)

[@Mystipaoniz]

@@LadyLazarus1027 The more i read the more question i have ^^ I don't understand why nothing could not exist, materially speaking. :( Am i dense? ^^ Why is it easier to have nothing than something? (physically speaking) I mean. If we don't know about the nothing, how can we be sure about the characteristics of it? And therefore say that it is easier to have nothing than something.

[@rafiqbrookins4931]

So deep, so powerful. Thought provoking💚

[@heinakynsi]

Nobody: Absolutely no one: Nothing. Both *Neil Degrasse Tyson* and *Robert Lawrence Kuhn* upload a video about "nothing" only 5 hours apart.

[@lematrixhafis]

Can you provide me the link? Which channel?

[@heinakynsi]

@@lematrixhafis kzbin.info/www/bejne/opS8gX9pqJeAo9k StarTalk

[@ronvelderman3998]

Nothing can t exist because if you use the word exist it refers to anything

[@OO-wp1ll]

By acknowledging the question what is nothing is something. Therefore ignoring or not acknowledging the question what is nothing or even posing the question is the answer. It is parallel to acknowledgment of anything questioned or posed. Danny Lopez

[@_a.z]

There never has been nothing! Even theists would agree with that!

[@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646]

I can prove you wrong

[@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646]

Observing only vision, what is behind your area of vision. Because there are no characteristics that can describe the lack of vision, this is nothing, and its possible for you to be aware of it, you can notice that you dont see behind your eyes. This is metaphysical nothingness. It has to be metaphysical because this is information based.

[@_a.z]

@@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Observed or not, a pre-existing universe is quite possible.

[@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646]

@@_a.z did you read the part where i said my statement is only information based? But, your statement is possible. Its completely fine for you to say that, as long as you know its speculation only.

[@tomdi-grazia5243]

@@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 : " I can prove you wrong ". GO AHEAD . . . . . . .MAKE MY DAY ( ahahahahahah )

[@TheWayofFairness]

This is so good to hear. Nothing has always been my favorite subject. These guys are thinking about the sameness

[@clam4597]

And then God said: Let there be nothing! Promptly God no longer exists.

[@tomdi-grazia5243]

@ C Lam : Do You think THAT Would Be Possible ? ?

[@Nissenov]

@@tomdi-grazia5243 God is so poweful, that if he decides to. He can stop existing.

[@tomdi-grazia5243]

@@Nissenov : Tell me, Kim : How Do You Personally Know So Much About "God" ? Is "HE" a personal relative of yours ? (by-the-way, are you quite sure its a HE and not a SHE, or some other gender ?) Dear Kim ; the fact of the matter is that WE are all born utterly ignorant, and through education in a number of scientific fields of study (mathematics, physics, chemistry, biochemistry, biology, physiology, genetics & epi-genetics, brain-mind research, psychology, etc.) over the many years that we live on this planet we put two and two together, and using what we have learned about "LOGIC" we make Deductions and Inductions and arrive at certain Conclusions or Conjectures. Theories. But in the end, we Really Have NO IDEA as to what the Ultimate Truth Is. Religious People, on the other hand, from when they are small children are indoctrinated with certain beliefs (depending in which country they are born) in the same way that children are told about Father Christmas, or The Fairies At The Bottom of The Garden, and so forth, and they carry these NON--Sense Beliefs to their graves. Scientists, on the other hand, Do Not Believe In Anything. They Require PROOF, Ultimately EXPERIMENTAL PROOF, That Can Be Repeated by Anyone Over, and Over, and Over Again. I have NO IDEA AT ALL As To What "god" Is or Is Not. I Have Never Had The Pleasure of Being Introduced To Such a Being, and It Seems To Me That Anyone Who "Believes" In Such Things Is DEMENTED. My Very Best Wishes To You, Kim. Bye tom di-grazia (76) MELBOURNE / AUSTRALIA.

[@Nissenov]

@@tomdi-grazia5243 You do know that I am just joking right?

[@Nissenov]

@Ant orious Schrödingers cat, is that you?

[@toddjoseph2412]

In my opinion it's impossible to even think about nothing because as soon as you do you make it something. The closest we will ever get to nothing while alive is sleep without dreaming.

[@ItaloBarbiero]

I was thinking the same. Recently I had a kidney procedure and had to be for the first time in my life fully anesthetized for a couple of hours. I just remember seeing the respiration mask being put in my face, and in what seems like a blink of an aye, I was in another room, with my wife next to me. It could have been 2 hours, or it could have been millions of years, I would just felt that fraction of a second and it terrified me a little bit to think death must be just that, an eternal nothing. No concept of time or place. No awareness, no senses at all. With the only difference that you don't even have the possibility of waking up one day.

[@jro3213]

@@ItaloBarbiero To me that's actually comforting, the thought that terrifies me is that if I got tired of living and wanted to kill myself, I'll be instantly reborn as something else, thus I can never escape life, I'm forced to live

[@casudemous5105]

The nothing could be where you are born from, or where the idea pop out of, or asking to desbribe what you see behind your head. But even there we kind of make up something, maybe nothing is facinating because we cant think it.

[@zanzivar5892]

To me “nothing is where everything stands on”. We got “plenty” of it. How could you say it doesn’t exist ? We come from nothing and go back to it, don’t we agree? What or where were you before you were born ? In seriousness, it is just our minds that play games with ourselves. We always compare north with south, positive with negative, black and white,... but, they all are part of the same. ONENESS is all “there is”, our minds produce difference and similarities. We create borders, can you tripped in the Ecuador line? Spirits came out of our minds..... all I am saying comes out of my head, we describe and give meaning to existence the way we’ve been conditioned. Is it our “minds” bigger than .....???

[@djacob7]

Right, all "things" are our minds' creation and they don't exist. All "things" are within Everything and we create them by dividing Everything into "things."

[@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646]

But, you separate yourself as you say all this. You have the ability to separate and make things, you are apart of this universe, so this universe has the ability to separate and make things.

[@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646]

@@djacob7 please read what i said, id like your thoughts too.

[@djacob7]

@@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 I don't separate myself because there is no self to separate. "I" am a bunch of atoms - integral with the universe, not a part of it. I am it.

[@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646]

@@djacob7 and yet you said, im a "bunch" of atoms...plural....

[@Bassotronics]

Nothing is harder to understand than nothing itself.

[@Existidor.Serial137]

That is why it is not the ultimate form of simplicity like Robert says. It is quite the contrary.

[@graveyarddisciplesscotland5074]

"Where's the contradiction in God not existing?" Seriously!?

[@EmeraldView]

Just goes to show you how desperate and intransigent the god believers are. And is ultimately the root of all the evil religion has wrought.

[@555usher]

@@EmeraldView What saying things you know not

[@lucifer.Morningstar369]

@@EmeraldView so non concious and non intelligent processes rule reality? Sounds way more stupid and non logical than religion.

[@EmeraldView]

@@lucifer.Morningstar369 What do you mean by 'rule reality'? How about you explain how a complex cognizant aware thinking doing being just always existed. We have evidence of order arising out of disorder via the known physical processes of the universe, and we know how this works. We have mountains of evidence of evolution of life on Earth and pretty good handle on how that works and how increasingly complex life can develop from that. Yes, it is far more reasonable to believe that non-thinking fields, forces, potentials, the whole panoply of sub atomic quantum probabilistic vibrations, simply existed and always existed and has over the infinite eons of that existence found occasion to develop in to a low entropy manifestation like our universe. As for religion, the thing heaped on top of this 'god' belief (often going hand-in-hand with it), that's even more absurd. To think that this thinking intelligent being, in the unimaginable vastness of our universe, is intimately concerned with the lives, the wishes, and desires, of what would be vastly lower intelligent beings stuck to the tiniest of motes of dust in that inconceivably vast universe.

[@lucifer.Morningstar369]

@@EmeraldView most of those are just assumptions. Assumption evidence of things we really don't fully understand.if existence were non concious and non intelligent then concious beings like us wouldn't exist. The observer is fundamental, you think if no concious beings existed all you would have is mechanical non intelligent processes floating around, absurd. I've experienced my true self along with millions of others, underneath this little human identity is In fact existence itself, the fundamental concious observer. It's pretty complex aswell, and you ask how could a observer be eternal and non created? Well that can go for anything because the human mind on the surface can't grasp eternity but our true self can, when under this altered state all of it makes perfect sense. We will never get the truth until we realize we are not seperate creations of the universe or existence, we exist on purpose. CIA has documents called gateway process that explains conciousness is non local and our minds can experince it.

[@piehound]

I'm way too busy feeding my senses to be concerned about " nothing. " hahahahahaha

[@fredyfredo2724]

The question of whether the universe emerged from nothingness or has always been here is dizzying in both cases. There is something fundamentally unsettling about our existence in the universe. Madness surrounds us, and we strive to ignore and hide from it. Sometimes this vertigo reappears, and we quickly close the door behind us to escape it.

[@larssoholt1536]

It does seem to me that this question could possibly be better answered if we can figure out what consciousness is. I feel strongly that consciousness is/was the first "thing" to have ever existed and this is the God that everyone is trying to figure out...