Does Denmark Border Sweden? (Yes But Actually No)

[@TheJumiFilm]

I once ended up in Sweden while driving around in Copenhagen during vacation because my dad accidentally drove onto the Øresund Bridge and couldn't turn back

[@ayoung17huang]

oof lol

[@elitecereal]

Haha.

[@edburt9067]

your dad isn't the brightest then

[@2520WasTaken]

Imagine your dad is in the army and he accidentally invades Sweden ぬぬぬ

[@wornyt]

Öresund bridge*

[@jan-seli]

If a canal negates a land border, it feels like countries divided by a river would similarly not have a land border, but by convention those are consistently considered a land border

[@TheJoku1604]

If a canal wth no bridges over it negates a land border, then in my opinion a river with no bridges over it does as well. The thing is that most river borders have multiple bridges going over them.

[@FairyCRat]

@@CyberchaoX Isn't the Pennsylvania-Delaware border a circular arc and a small straight line?

[@sticlavoda5632]

I think it is fairly simple. If a human can, technically, pass from one country to another on foot while remaining on the surface, the border is on land. You are walking on the surface, therefore on land, and not trough air or water. The underground is a distinct concept. What is important tho is to take into consideration that internal waters are considered land, so my definition is not currently in use, but it is more logical imo.

[@elkku4844]

There is an even smaller island divided between two countries. Märket is divided between Finland and Sweden.

[@Enyap_]

Yes, but in the video Toycat's referencing the total length of the entire border between the 2 countries

[@Liggliluff]

@@Enyap_ No, he said _both_ the shortest border and smallest island.

[@HuffGLaDTem]

i described this channel to someone as “a minecraft youtuber who talks about geography or something else and then goes of on a tangent forever and then kind of finds the point in the end but not in the way you expect him to. i think that’s a fair way to describe this channel and i love it so much because of it

[@JonasTisell]

Okay.

[@volkan7844]

Okay.

[@checcmac8693]

U must be new to this channel

[@HuffGLaDTem]

@@checcmac8693 no?

[@HuffGLaDTem]

@@volkan7844 okay.

[@TheLocalLt]

Generally rivers and canals are considered land borders and have an official demarcation line. For example, any of the European states whose borders follow a river, this goes for river borders between American states as well, like how when you drive from New Jersey to New York on the Hudson River bridges and tunnels there is a marker at the state line midway over the river.

[@gamingochgeografi4039]

This is not a canal or river though, it is the ocean

[@morten1313]

I live in southern Sweden, and if I want to fly somewhere I don't take the train to Gothenburg or Stockholm airports, I take train across Oresund to Copenhagen airport. That's how closely these countries are linked, if we're crossing sea just to get to the airport.

[@qwertyTRiG]

The Panama Canal, unlike the Suez, has locks. It goes quite high. I think it certainly counts as inland and would be a land border. If you split Egypt at the Suez, it would be a more interesting question.

[@einarrail]

The fact about hans island being the smallest island in the world is definetly wrong. For example the island of Märket, divided between Sweden and Finland is smaller, or Koiluoto divided between Finland and Russia. If you try following the Swedish/Norwegian border you will see that it cuts through lots of lakes and crosses a few islands that are just a few meters in diameter.

[@mofumofutenngoku]

He means the total length of the border.

[@kevin_bodi]

If I stand on the Öresund bridge and I shake hands with someone who stands within the other country’s jurisdiction, I would say that technically we shook hands at the border.

[@kevin_bodi]

I think that creating a bridge between two countries is the exact opposite of digging a trench between two countries. You can have man made structures that both make two countries start bordering each other or stop bordering each other. Imagine you could create toll stations and all kinds of infrastructure on the bridge if you wanted to make it even more clear, too.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

The Virgin Islands are so virgin, they have to be divided. If Toycat moves to the Virgin Islands, they'd drop the name to just Islands and unify with the guidance of a Chad god.

[@rodrigohmoraes]

Does Denmark Border Sweden? The short answer is "no". The long answer is also "no" but with a 17 minutes video. I love it

[@birkebk9527]

Try add how countries consider being neighbors or not - oml, this would never end 🤣

[@alias_]

Except it does border Sweden.

[@gremezahk1]

@@alias_ How?

[@alias_]

@@gremezahk1 There is a maritime border between Sweden and Denmark. A maritime border is one type of border.

[@gremezahk1]

@@alias_ That's not a land border tho. As he said in the video, if Maritime borders count, then Denmark borders the UK.

[@georgthesecond]

"Rivers are the exact opposite of land" - toycat 2022.

[@MedicMain9]

The kind of commentary I've subscribed to.

[@freyjasvansdottir9904]

Until 1570 the part of Sweden that Malmö is on (Skåne) was a part of Danmark. Denmark lost a war with Sweden and had to give Sweden Skåne, Halland, Blekinge and Gotland. So Denmark did have a literal land border.

[@TrashskillsRS]

Many wars were flought over Scania, and with Swedens potential entry into NATO it will be over forever...

[@jonasnee]

It was actually 1658 with the Karl Gustav wars.

[@isaacbobjork7053]

I thought Kläppen divided between Sweden and Finland (Åland) was the smallest divided island. Or maybe another between those same countries in the Haparanda archipelago

[@tihk89]

Märket is the name of that island

[@maple494]

You mean Haaparanta? 😊

[@isaacbobjork7053]

@@tihk89 yes Märket, sorry

[@isaacbobjork7053]

@@maple494 or Haparanda in Swedish

[@gindrinkersline3285]

0:25 Not the smallest though! Hans Ø (Hans Island) has an area of 1.3 km2 (Denmark/Canada), but Märket (The Mark) an island in the Baltic Sea (shared between Sweden/Finland) has an area of 0.03 km2.

[@mrleaf6055]

The Finnish/Russian island of Койлуото (romanized as Koiluoto) is also roughly 0.03 km^2

[@vignotum132]

Yeah, but the total length of the border is longer

[@gindrinkersline3285]

@@vignotum132 The border length of The Mark (Sweden/Finland) is less than 500 m. The border length of Koiluoto (Finland/Russia) is less than 150 m. The border length of Hans island (Canada/Denmark) is 1200 m.

[@vignotum132]

@@gindrinkersline3285 obviously I mean total border length, Sweden has a major border with Finland in the north and half of Finland is surrounded by Russia. If we just go by a single part of a border, the smallest is the Spanish-Moroccan border next to Ceuta or Melilla (can’t remember which) at a couple of metres.

[@gindrinkersline3285]

@@vignotum132 True. Conversations like this will eventually end up in hair-splitting. 🙂 Best to have a set of parameters and then go from there.

[@themoonisinspace]

I think it's amazing that I like both your main channel and your second channel when the content is so different, and that I found them completely unrelated to each other.

[@cheetawilliam]

Alright, but then what about a situation like the province of Friesland and the province of North-Holland in the netherlands. There was no land border, now there's a continues path of dirt called the afsluitdijk. (Minus the few locks and pumps)

[@Henu_K]

In Finland, people travel to Estonia to evade the high alcohol tax.

[@Redddragon]

by boat???

[@elpapa68]

@@Redddragon More specifically by ferry.

[@Redddragon]

@@elpapa68 thanks bro i thought everyone hired their own aircraft carrier

[@Spacemongerr]

@@Redddragon No, there's at least a 5 day waiting period for those, too much hassle.

[@Insightmovieflix]

I do still really enjoy watching your videos. I remember watching your Minecraft videos as a kid and as i got older i got interested into maps and history and got you in my recommended again. I feel a little bit like our interest grew together. Anyways, if you happen to read this, i wish you the very best. Cheers!

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

Virginia: We're the first to build bridge-tunnel systems, and two of them! Denmark: That's cool and all but can it connect to another country? Meanwhile China building Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau: *Hold my baijiu* Yeah the southern half of our peninsula may be more advanced than we are when it comes to infrastructure, but that's because they're not being punished for being them.

[@fastertove]

So Denmark(and Sweden) has the only one of the three with rails and is the only one that connects two countries?

[@MadMan3498]

By US law bridges count as dry land, in fact theirs an interesting story involving the Conch Republic where they tried to claim an abandoned bridge in Florida as their own.

[@hbowman108]

This comes up in legislative districting in New York. The convention is that the Staten Island congressional district extends across Verrazano Narrows into Brooklyn.

[@shades2.183]

It is the same in Denmark and Seden. It is by fact a land border, the distance is also short. National borders streches 12 seamiles out into the ocean and theres only 15 kilometers between Denmark and sweden over the sea. At no point do you enter "international waters. The bridge is per diffinition land norder

[@hbowman108]

@@shades2.183 There are other examples of countries that far apart which are unbridged. For instance, the USA and Russia have bordering territorial waters, as do Singapore and Indonesia. And whether the US and Russia have a sea border is becoming relevant: is the passage between the Arctic and Pacific oceans an international waterway?

[@fisklars3579]

The alcohol joke goes: Norwegians go to sweden, swedes go to danmark, danes go to germany, germans go to poland, poles go to lithuania. Or swedes go to finland, and finns go to estonia.

[@shades2.183]

It is a land border, a bridge is considered a land border. Theres only 15kilometers between Demark and Sweden so at no point do you enter "international" waters. National borders goes 12 seamiles out into the ocean, so, the Swedish and Danish "national" border actually cross each other out in the sea. It is per deffinition a land borderr

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

You have the same discussion about the southern most mainland point in Norway. Lindesnes (lighthouse) used to be the southern most on mainland on a peninsula, then Spangreid Canal was built from 2005 an official opened in 2007. For two years the Norwegian Map Autority changed the status to being an island, then they reverted the decision making it a part of main kand again.

[@Spacemongerr]

Rivers and lakes are generally acknowledged as being land borders, but seas and oceans are not. One prominent example is the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which considers lakes and rivers to be land borders and therefore are not encompassed by the law.

[@DnBclassictunes]

Fun fact. Toycat washed his hair today!

[@bananenmusli2769]

Weill, if you don't count the Panama Canal as a land border, Poland and Germany technically don't share a land border, since they are seperated by 2 rivers

[@siyacer]

I like how your geography channel and Minecraft channel are so different yet still coexist

[@aimeerivers]

I live in Copenhagen and love to take the train over to Sweden for a nice day trip. Haven’t done it for ages, must do it again soon!

[@TomWatsonB1]

@15:52 You highlight Lake Constance (the Bodensee). I'm in Friedrichshafen with my in-laws for the summer. Wonderful place.

[@risputte]

Is Jutland an island ? There is a man made canal (Kielcanal).

[@balls5034]

no by that logic southern europe would be an island because the rhine river and danube is connected

[@alias_]

To answer the question you need to specify the terms you are using. You seem to use border interchangeably with land border, but they are not the same, land border is more specific. Sweden and Denmark may not share a land border but may still share a border, just another kind of border.

[@bjarnemcdonald6333]

There is a sign on the Øresundbro to show where the border is.

[@TheInternetBanana]

by this logic borders can't be on bridges over rivers either. would an artificial island count? I think it's fine to say that if you are standing on something and could walk a bit and be in another country its a border

[@tychu9]

For your “before 2000” point; in 1658, they did have a land border. The modern border (or lack thereof) is dated back to 1658

[@gustavsturksteinwall4027]

fun fact about the öresund bridge is that very few people actually drive over it compared to the amount of people that take a train due to the super high toll prices of the bridge.

[@joeb4294]

It's certainly true to say that they do not share a land border. But I think that if the countries' 12 mi maritime boundaries run into each other and have to be adjudicated then it makes sense to consider that a border.

[@Sianistic]

the cheeky counterargument is that for certain purposes (railway in particular) the border is on Pepperholm

[@denvernelson]

I love how educational and entertaining your videos are

[@nicolaim4275]

The distance between Denmark and Sweden is small enough that you can swim from one country to the other. There is no technical land border, but you need to specify _land_ border unless you want to sound very silly.

[@enriktigasna]

1:00 I live in Helsingborg, and we have these boats between Helsingborg and Helsingör, that you can take, they go every 20 minutes and you arrive on 20 minutes. It's almost like talking a very large bus. And it's also pretty cheap.

[@than217]

KZbin: "Your channel has one strike for misinformation. Reason: Denying that Rivers are Land Borders."

[@alias_]

Correction: Denying that rivers are borders

[@Chubby_Bub]

But if internal waters aren't considered land borders, should the Korean Peninsula be considered an island since North Korea's borders with China and Russia are entirely across rivers and a lake? But the rivers are sourced from the lake which is at the peak of a mountain.

[@PeterLiuIsBeast]

10:15 there's a section of the international park there in Tijuana/San Diego that gets opened sometimes to allow both sides to mingle.

[@MlgEpicCar]

i live in delaware and we have a canal, and now we technically are an island?

[@TomWatsonB1]

Gothenburg is the 2nd largest city in Sweden. Malmo is clearly third in city and metro population. 2 of my great-great grandmothers come from Malmo (Fosie) and nearby Barseback. Would like to visit the region. Definitely on my list.

[@schlaumayer3754]

Is europe an island? The danube flows from the caspian sea to germany, where it is connected to the rhine, which flows into the north sea.

[@connorcraigie1010]

Cape cod in Massachusetts has a canal separating it from the mainland. There are two bridges to get onto the cape but it seems to still be considered a peninsula.

[@qwertyTRiG]

Greenland is not in the EU, but St Pierre and Miquelon is, so there is EU territory in both North and South America.

[@caspermadlener4191]

I also find it interesting that the Netherlands borders France. I am Dutch and everybody thinks we only border Germany and Belgium!

[@dagisinmines3412]

What would happen to an island that appears in the smack middle of English channel? Let's say it would be little closer to France and they took it. Then there forms a land bridge that connects it to England... These are the questions in torne river, if i remember correctly, and definitely with many other river borders

[@Lord_Skeptic]

12:05 Caspian sea is not a sea it is a lake

[@samiraperi467]

Alcohol shops right after the bridge is like Finland and Estonia, there are big alcohol stores in the Tallinn harbor where the ferries from Helsinki arrive.

[@EchelonIV]

If you have a castle surrounded by a trench and you fill the trench with water, is the castle now on an island?

[@SheikahMapping]

Isn't Southern Europe an island? The Rhine, Main, Main-Danube-Canal and Danube make a river/canal that divides Europe into two.

[@rainhymas277]

my main question would be who officially looks after the bridge, as do one of them own a little bit of land on the other side for the bridge to set down on, or is it a neutral zone/ no-mans land. As i think the technically the Koreas don't boarder each other but instead boarder a neutral unoccupied stretch of land, almost same with Cyprus and Northern Cyprus except I believe for some reason Britain owns the land between them.

[@kurtisokc]

As crazy as it sounds the US has a maritime border with Russia. Little Diomede Island (US) is only 2 miles from Big Diomede Island (Russia.) During the winter, when the straight is frozen over, it is actually possible to walk between the United States and Russia.

[@tescomealdeals4613]

Panama is not a country in South America, it is a Trans-continental country between Central America (which is part of North America) and South America.

[@MarcJaxon]

The Aral Sea is a perfect example of how we can find Shipwrecks above the water in Minecraft. Mystery solved.

[@jamesabber7891]

Sometimes the strait of water between Denmark and Sweden freezes in winter. This means that swedes can walk over the ice to Denmark. So here in Denmark we have a law that says it is legal to beat any swedes who walk over the ice to Denmark with a stick. This is an ancient law from where Denmark and Sweden were at war hundreds of years ago. At that time swedes would walk over the ice trying to plunder danish people. This old law is technically still in effect in Denmark. The division of Hans Island between Denmark and Canada is the end of a long-running and very peaceful war, with both countries from time to time coming to this barren piece of rock to place their own flag on it, leaving a bottle of alcohol for the other country to take when they came to put up their own flag instead. The longest maritime border in the world is between Denmark and Canada, just broken by the short land border now established on Hans Island.

[@titiwa632]

3 things: 1st - When you said "if Russia invades another country (...)" I had to check when was this video uploaded and sure enough, that's toycat for you. 2nd - If Russia invaded, for example, Ukraine then the number of neighbors of Russia would increase and not decrease (Poland, Slovakia, etc...) 3rd - From their point of view, Russian now borders 2 more countries: The republics of Donetsk and Luhansk.

[@johnmknox]

Putin is doing a great job of ensuring more countries join NATO and more NATO countries border Russia than the present five of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Norway.

[@ShootAsword]

You know its hilarious that this channel gets almost as many views or more than his main channel

[@geokou7645]

5:24 Idea: The border is 50,5 km thick (the distance between each terminal) and directly follows the track

[@autarch6376]

Its funny you showed the american virgin islands in a video about denmarks borders. When those same islands were once danish until we sold them to america.

[@bothellkenmore]

I live in Bothell Washington USA and its the only city in WA that straddles 2 counties. The northern county (Snohomish) is mad that the city contracted their garbage through the southern one (King) where Seattle is.

[@2BoogerFace]

I think rivers count as borders because of the discharge of water, something that oceans and lakes aren't well suited to do. I'm not sure whether or not that would apply to canals, though. Also, I'm disappointed this video never mention the Saudi-Bahraini border. Similarly to the Swedo-Danish border, the border is located on a causeway. However, the border actually cuts through Passport Island. The question about this arises when you realize that the island is an artificial island designed specifically for the causeway. Do borders on artificial islands count as land borders? If they do, why does nobody say that Bahrain border Saudi Arabia?

[@Musta0011]

The thing is there is an island in the center of the bridge where the border actually is meaning they do border

[@_Shadbolt_]

8:57 It's funny how many conversations come down to the specific definitions of words in the end. Apparently it happens a lot in academic writing. They'll come up with a paper with a simple (enough) title and spend literally the first half of it defining what the questions means. It just show how important language is in the way we perceive reality. Anyone who speaks more than one language, especially one they learnt later in life, will be familiar with the feeling. You can go somewhere and realise that those people actually think about the world differently because they either do or don't have a word in their language that you do. I had that in France. They have two words for river. "Fleuve" and "rivière". A fleuve is a river that opens out into a sea, a rivière is one that doesn't. So knowing I'm a bit of a geography nerd, I'd sometimes get asked "How many fleuves do you have in the UK?". It's the sort of thing French geography nerds learn, France has five: La Seine, La Loire, la Garonne, le Rhône et le Rhin. They just know it, because they have a word. Like we do for borders. In the UK we have two, but try Googling that question in English, it's much harder to find an answer. Because we don't think like that. All that to say, isn't it weird how our language changes our actual perception of reality?

[@rogink]

"A river that opens out into the sea". Are you excluding rivers that flow into estuaries/firths/harbours before the sea? If so that would exclude the Seine - the clue's in the name Le Havre. And the Rhone has a massive delta. The Rhine does NOT flow into the sea from France - check the map! In fact it's debatable that it flows into the sea at all, rather than the sprawling Maas delta. As for the UK, perhaps we don't differentiate between these types of river in English, but we have plenty of both - they just aren't as long or wide as continental rivers!

[@_Shadbolt_]

@@rogink take it up with the french! I don't remember the exact definition, I'm more confident that those five rivers are "fleuves" than the exact meaning of "fleueve". As I mentioned I'm not a native French speaker so I wouldn't back myself as much on that aspect. Also to your later point, I wasn't saying we as Brits were lacking. In fact, I was actually making a linguistic point, so I should probably have compared the entire Anglophone and Francophne worlds, which I imgagine would be won by the Anglophone world, so, we win! If that helps. Finally, we probably do differentiate those kinds of rivers here in the UK. But it's probably only engineers and geologists or whatever who actually know the lingo. It's not like the French have some magical extra knowledge than us, or more impressive features. Just a linguistic quirk, and I find it really interesting how those things can help shape how you see the world!

[@TrashskillsRS]

That is exactly why political discourse has turned to chaos. Academics have come up with so many new words and definitions the last 35 years that few people can follow all of them.

[@rogink]

@@_Shadbolt_ I'm not disputing your definitions for 'fleuve' or 'riviere' but your memory of the numbers. There are more than 5 rivers that flow into the sea from metropolitan France. Just on the northern coast alone I can think of the Rance in St Malo and the Orne in Caen, as well as the Somme and Dieppe is on a river as well! Certainly the rivers you mentioned are major even by European standards and all have big estuaries. If the French feel they need a word to describe such rivers good for them. Of course in English we also have numerous words for flowing water as well as river: stream, beck, burn, brook.

[@erikstenviken2652]

About the smallest island. Sweden and Finland share the island of ”Märket” in the baltic sea. Thats a really small island with a land border. Also, Sweden and Norway share some islands in lakes thats just a few meters large.

[@the66thmaris]

So if a country with a border to another country which would only be a river would that mean that they don’t border each other??

[@WizardToby]

I generally consider it bordering if the water border is close enough. Like within 100 miles or so. Therefore, yes, Denmark and Sweden do border, via that small channel that's like 2 miles wide.

[@cjwhite7801]

The land masses are objectively not bordering each other tho if there’s ocean between them

[@zento1702]

As a dane I have gone to Sweden many times to by shoes, clothes and candy, all are a bit cheaper in Sweden. I don't save a lot, but I get a day away from home :-)

[@rastalique8114]

Texas and Mexico border each other only when the Rio Grande dries up ?

[@derharlekin5205]

It's funny you showed the lake of constance (Bodensee in German) at the end, I grew up there and the question who actually ownes the lake; Germany, Switzerland or Austria, is something which is really a historical topic down there. IIRC it's however settled that there is no concrete border in the lake and all nations share it equally and all parties involved seem to be fine with that.

[@arekzawistowski2609]

7:45 i can't agree. Panama canal is not even entirety at see level. It is like a river but even more connecting both sides.

[@thelibyanplzcomeback]

If you were in the Chunnel and you did something that's illegal in the UK, but legal in France, what would happen? There would have to be a border there.

[@vincentguan6398]

They do have a border if you pretend to that CK2 is real life and Denmark still has the Duchy of Scania/Skåneland(Scania, Blekinge, Halland, Bornholm) and the Second Northern War hasn't happened.

[@dontmindme8709]

At 0:15 you say that this will be the smallest island to be divided by two countries. That doesn't seem to be true. Hans Island is 1.3 km², whereas Sweden and Finland shares a border on Märket, which is only 0.03 km². Finland also shares a border with Russia on a similarly sized island. Wikipedia has an article called "List of divided islands" that overviews these. :^)

[@skalman1221]

Scandinavia is still rising and gaining more land every year, in a few hundred years there won't really be many water between Sweden and Denmark which is cool!

[@rasmusn.e.m1064]

Dane here: We sometimes drive to Sweden to buy nuts because we have a tax on high-fat content products, which the Swedes don't have. Candy is also cheaper there and they also have a larger selection of vegan products, which is relevant to some of us who grow tired of the pretty limited selection we have here.

[@greywolf7577]

I never knew that Sweden was such a food capital of the area.

[@TrashskillsRS]

Also stuff like clothes are typically cheaper

[@TNBuckeye1617]

A 17 minute video and my biggest takeaway is that they have Circle K gas stations in Sweden. I think Company Man needs to do a “Bigger Than You Think” episode on Circle K.

[@Debdibib]

Here in Scandinavia Circle K is what used to be Stat Oil before its merger and rebranding a few years ago

[@Spacemongerr]

@@Debdibib Statoil sold their gas stations to Cirkle K, yes. But only the gas station part of the company. The oil-extraction etc. part of the company is still over 70% owned by the Norwegian state, but it is now stupidly named Equinor.

[@Limted]

I live really close to the øresund bridge, but I never thought about it the way that I live close to a border.

[@GummieI]

It is pretty common to drive through Sweden if you want to get to/from bornholm to the rest of Denmark, instead of taking a ferry all the way from Copenhagen to Bornholm

[@HappyCatholicDane]

You forgot another border 😄. While it is a recent development, Denmark (Danish Kingdom) and Canada actually have a small land border on Hans Island.

[@boodashaka2841]

North east Germany seems to share a maritime area with Poland?

[@ronni2664]

So would that mean that the north of Jutland (jylland) dos not boarder the rest of Jutland as the limfjord splits it in two if the north split off from Denmark?

[@Yugoslavia.]

Sea border = sea level Clearly, The Danish-Swedish border is ABOVE sea level, making it a border. The UK-French border CAN be a border since it's connected though land, so both of the borders are borders

[@billpg]

Is Highland Scotland north of Loch Ness a separate island to southern Scotland, England and Wales? There's a chain of lakes and rivers from one coast to the other.

[@benkolya]

One of the key parts of the chain is man made so I don't think it counts

[@Eburon]

Great video. Try as we might, borders are never easy to define. Greetings from the neighbouring country of Belgium!

[@dumbgameboys618]

It isn't a country.

[@xXVignettaXx]

i love that i found your channel through minecraft and im pretty much just here for your geography rants

[@aqdrobert]

Amateur radio operators got on the air from station OJ0D on Market Reef July to August 2021.

[@yanikmuller6043]

But if the panama canal wouldn't be a border then what about rivers?

[@duckpotat9818]

Panama canal is shallower and narrower at points than many rivers therefore it probably counts as a land border

[@uoq7502]

I dont quite agree with your definition, because if a bridge or a tunnel doesnt create a land border between two countries, why should a canal build by humans remove a border. I think only large enough bodies of water can create a real maritime border and canals and rivers should count as land borders as they are treated already. This also fits in with the opposite, where only large enough bodies of land can create a real land border.

[@jlpack62]

Singapore is listed as having no borders. I suppose the difference is that it's salt water that separates SG from Malaysia, and it's fresh water that separates Germany and France?

[@jaxxinator5999]

Okay here's my take here. If both countries are able to provide basis services such as housing, policing etc. all the way up to border then it seems to me that it should be considered a land border. This means that long bridges or undersea tunnels don't count but canals and rivers do count because people can live normal lives on them and are considered residents of that country.

[@295g295]

11:35 - Make a border now, at the halfway/mid-point, or later make a sea border at the deepest points?

[@Ellestra]

Of course there is a border on the bridge and in the tunnel. There was even this series called The Bridge (with UK ramake The Tunnel) about a body found halfway through the border. The fact that you don't notice crossing the border because both Denmark and Sweden are in Schengen Zone (and you cross the border before entering the Eurotunnel) doesn't mean it isn't there. If EU ever fails you may even see the crossing being build just like they do between US and Canada.

[@IngvarMattsson]

Hm, is that CA/DK island smaller than both Märket and Kataja (two islands that share a Swedish/Finnish border, Kataja is 12-13 km south of Haparanda)?

[@StarOperator_]

I want a canal between Denmark and Germany now