Does FREE WILL exist at all ? | Swami | Ramakrishna Philosophy

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@an1rb Ай бұрын

9:10 This is the best discussion of the subject of free-will -- and I have been researching this topic for so many years!

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@willieluncheonette5843 Ай бұрын

"This is not a personal problem, it is a philosophical question. Our lives are both predestined and they are not. Both yes and no. And both answers are true for all questions about life. In a way, everything is predetermined. Whatever is physical in you, material, whatever is mental, is predetermined. But something in you constantly remains undetermined, unpredictable. That something is your consciousness. If you are identified with your body and your material existence, in the same proportion you are determined by cause and effect. Then you are a machine. But if you are not identified with your material existence, with either body or mind - if you can feel yourself as something separate, different, above and transcendent to body-mind - then that transcending consciousness is not predetermined. It is spontaneous, free. Consciousness means freedom; matter means slavery. So it depends on how you define yourself. If you say, ”I am only the body,” then everything about you is completely determined. A person who says that man is only the body cannot say that man is not predetermined. Ordinarily, persons who do not believe in such a thing as consciousness also do not believe in predetermination. Persons who are religious and believe in consciousness ordinarily believe in predetermination. So what I am saying may look very contradictory. But still, it is the case. A person who has known consciousness has known freedom. So only a spiritual person can say there is no determination at all. That realization comes only when you are completely unidentified with the body. If you feel that you are just a material existence, then no freedom is possible. With matter, no freedom is possible. Matter means that which cannot be free. It must flow in the chain of cause and effect. Once someone has achieved consciousness, enlightenment, he is completely out of the realm of cause and effect. He becomes absolutely unpredictable. You cannot say anything about him. He begins to live each moment; his existence becomes atomic. Your existence is a river-like chain in which every step is determined by the past. Your future is not really future; it is just a by-product of the past. It is only the past determining, shaping, formulating and conditioning your future. That is why your future is predictable. Skinner says that man is as predictable as anything else. The only difficulty is that we have not yet devised the means to know his total past. The moment we can know his past, we can predict everything about him. Based upon the people he has worked with, Skinner is right, because they are all ultimately predictable. He has experimented with hundreds of people and he has found that they are all mechanical beings, that nothing exists within them that can be called freedom. But his study is limited. No Buddha has come to his laboratory to be experimented upon. If even one person is free, if even one person is not mechanical, not predictable, Skinner’s whole theory falls. If one person in the whole history of mankind is free and unpredictable, then man is potentially free and unpredictable. The whole possibility of freedom depends on whether you emphasize your body or your consciousness. If you are just an outward flow of life, then everything is determined. Or are you something inner also? Do not give any preformulated answer. Do not say, ”I am the soul.” If you feel there is nothing inside you, then be honest about it. This honesty will be the first step toward the inner freedom of consciousness. If you go deeply inside, you will feel that everything is just part of the outside. Your body has come from without, your thoughts have come from without, even your self has been given to you by others. That is why you are so fearful of the opinion of others - because they are completely in control of your self. They can change their opinion of you at any moment. Your self, your body, your thoughts are given to you by others, so what is inside? You are layers and layers of outside accumulation. If you are identified with this personality of yours that comes from others, then everything is determined. Become aware of everything that comes from the outside and become non-identified with it. Then a moment will come when the outside falls completely. You will be in a vacuum. This vacuum is the passage between the outside and the inside, the door. We are so afraid of the vacuum, so afraid of being empty that we cling to the outside accumulation. One has to be courageous enough to disidentify with the accumulation and to remain in the vacuum. If you are not courageous enough, you will go out and cling to something, and be filled with it. But this moment of being in the vacuum is meditation. If you are courageous enough, if you can remain in this moment, soon your whole being will automatically turn inward. When there is nothing to be attached to from the outside, your being turns inward. Then you know for the first time that you are something that transcends everything you have been thinking yourself to be. Now you are something different from becoming; you are being. This being is free; nothing can determine it. It is absolute freedom. No chain of cause and effect is possible. Your actions are related to past actions. A created a situation for B to become possible; B creates a situation in which C flowers. Your acts are connected to past acts and this goes back to the beginningless beginning and on to the endless end. Not only do your own acts determine you, but your father’s and mother’s acts also have a continuity with yours. Your society, your history, all that has happened before, is somehow related to your present act. The whole history has come to flower in you. Everything that has ever happened is connected with your act, so your act is obviously determined. It is such a minute part of the whole picture. History is such a vital living force and your individual act is such a small part of it. Marx said, ”It is not consciousness that determines the conditions of society. It is society and its conditions that determines consciousness. It is not that great men create great societies. It is great societies that create great men.” And he is right in a way, because you are not the originator of your actions. The whole history has determined them. You are just carrying them out. The whole evolutionary process has gone into the making of your biological cells. These cells in you can then become part of another person. You may think that you are the father, but you have just been a stage on which the whole biological evolution has acted and has forced you to act. The act of procreation is so forceful because it is beyond you; it is the whole evolutionary process working through you. This is one way in which acts happen in relation to other past acts. But when a person becomes enlightened, a new phenomenon begins to happen. Acts are no longer connected with past acts. Any act, now, is connected only with his consciousness. It comes from his consciousness not from the past. That is why an enlightened person cannot be predicted. Skinner says that we can determine what you will do if your past acts are known. He says that the old proverb, ”You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink,” is wrong. You can force him to. You can create an atmosphere so that the horse will have to drink. The horse can be forced, and you also can be forced, because your actions are created by situations, by circumstances. But even though you can bring a buddha to the river, you cannot force him to drink. The more you force him, the more impossible it will be. No heat will make him do it. Even if a thousand suns shine on him it will not help. A Buddha has a different origin of action. It is not concerned with other acts; it is connected with consciousness. That is why I emphasize that you act consciously. Then, every moment you act, it is not a question of a continuation of other acts. You are free. Now you begin to act, and no one can say how you will act. Habits are mechanical; they repeat themselves. The more you repeat something, the more efficient you become. Efficiency means that now consciousness is no longer needed. If a person is an efficient typist it means that no effort is needed; typing can be done unconsciously. Even if he is thinking about something else the typing continues. The body is typing; the man is not needed. Efficiency means that the thing is so certain that no effort is possible. With freedom, effort is always possible. A machine cannot make errors. To err, one has to be conscious. So your acts have a chain relationship with your previous acts. They are determined. Your childhood determines your youth; your youth determines your old age. Your birth determines your death; everything is determined. Buddha used to say, ”Provide the cause, and the effect will be there.” This is the world of cause and effect in which everything is determined. If you act with total consciousness, an altogether different situation exists. Then everything is moment to moment. Consciousness is a flow; it is not static. It is life itself, so it changes. It is alive. It goes on expanding; it goes on becoming new, fresh, young. Then, your acts will be spontaneous."

@anandpandey5012 Ай бұрын

When the comment is more enriching than the video

@sujaysinha81 Ай бұрын

Osho the genius

@willieluncheonette5843 Ай бұрын

@@sujaysinha81 yes

@willieluncheonette5843 Ай бұрын

@@anandpandey5012 taken from a talk by Osho. He is the best.

@JigyaasuBhaiyya Ай бұрын

@@willieluncheonette5843do you have any link of that video or any book where this is covered?

@shakuntalamohandas7180 Ай бұрын

Swamiji my humble Pranams 🙏🙏🙏 My long longing question has been answered with such clarity 🙏

@ChipotleMasala Ай бұрын

A big solute to you on how you clearly explain free with complete logic. Thank you 🙏🙏🙏

@vamu19 Ай бұрын

Free to do everything and hence ready to accept the results 😊

@soumyajitbhowmick3942 Ай бұрын

Enriched! Thanks Maharaj.

@rkowlagi Ай бұрын

Fascinating ❤

@vamu19 Ай бұрын

Time produces results at its right time

@dr.parashuramnaik7727 Ай бұрын

Thank you

@kantharajmv6616 Ай бұрын

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@aritrabhattacharyya2374 3 күн бұрын

2:40 when/how then the first cause/karma came into the picture??

@brotatimridha3259 Ай бұрын

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@promitamondal8099 Ай бұрын

Theres one episode in B.R. Chopra's Ramayana where Shri Ram Chandra and Shri Laxman are taking their teachings from Vashista muni in his ashram. This is when Shri Ram Chandra ji asks the very same question 'Agar sab kuch paramatma k hath mein hai, toh hamare hath mein kya hai guru ji?' The guru answers 'Karm, hamare hath mein hai karm'. So, yes, it is well explained in our Upanishads. People should study vedas and Upanishads instead of making assumptions.... We, humans, have free will, we can choose whether we want to choose the path of dharma or adharma. As soon as we made our choices, God comes in action to give us the fruits of our actions. This is how the wheel is constantly functioning. It never stops because humans mostly cant resist the temptations of Maya and remains in this cycle of birth and death for eternity unless the person makes a choice that he/she had enough and they choose to become one with God and end this saga in this lifetime. Just like the way, we can predict a person's actions to some extent once we know them for a very long time, in the similar ways, God can see our thoughts and can predict our actions and accordingly the karmafaals are planned unless the human choses God over maya. Its pretty simple if one truly understands Bhagavad Gita chapter by chapter.. Shri Krishna has well explained everything. Go back to basics, people. 🙏🙏🙏

@sanjaychoudhary-tz6qx Ай бұрын

Swami ji Pranam I am feeling some events which repeats in one year, two years. That time same events and meet same people. Is it not predistined? May be quantum entanglement

@actualization6827 Ай бұрын

What a thought

@GaxxKarthick Ай бұрын

So are our thoughts pre determined ? Are is it just happening.

@nezukoshiki3579 Ай бұрын

I deserve to be the first comment 😂😂😂😂

@mintusaren895 Ай бұрын

Question of life. How deal.

@same8602 Ай бұрын

Ok, Great. This is such a convenient way to disown personal responsibility and live guilt free life no matter how evil and wicked one's behavior is towards other fellow human beings. I am not who is doing this action, it is the ego who is doing it. But why should I care, ego is not the true self and my true consciousness is the pure consciousness which is the true god. And in reality there is no difference between me and Hitler or an ant or a rock because we are all the same and we are gods.

@soumenpaul7544 Ай бұрын

If God wants you to be wicked and evil you would be wicked and evil. It was noone else but God who worked through Hitler or any other war mongerer or any saint. The whole notion that God only does good is the source of all confusion, he does good and evil, both. All wars and revolutions are paved with the most noble intentions, and look where they generally lead to??

@same8602 Ай бұрын

@soumenpaul7544 Explain freewill, then. Also explain, why does this so called God choose to be a force of evil and good? Again, for what joy?? 😁

@soumenpaul7544 Ай бұрын

@@same8602 precisely. What else ? There is no manifestation without duality. Can you define good without referencing evil ? Or vice versa....it's all basically meaningless. All one can do is enjoy the good and evil and other dualities like God, especially when it happens to us...That's all there is to it

@same8602 Ай бұрын

@soumenpaul7544 based on this theory, there is really no value for both good and bad. Then why have the differentiation in the first place? Also, what is your explanation of free will? That's also an illusion?

@soumenpaul7544 Ай бұрын

@same8602 Differentiation is relative to oneself. What is good for one is bad for other. Winning for one is losing for his opponent. In a war life for one is death for other.....one can go on.... Obviously there is no free will...how can there be ? We are mere programmed automatons. That's all. Organic robots for the pleasure of the almighty....

@RamakrishnaReddyUppati Ай бұрын

MounVakhyaPrakatitaParabrahma: It is not easily understood so debate may not be of much use One should inquire and realise the absolute truth by one’s own experience, there is no shortcut answer for this question .

@stefanoprovvedi1155 28 күн бұрын

Ultimate selfie….😂😂😂

@dnag02 Ай бұрын

Very good there is no free will. If that is true and we have no free will and whatever happens, does happen because of God's will, then there should not be any karmaphol. We must not suffer for bad karmas because it was God's will. And if there is karmaphol, Mr/Mrs God should suffer why us? It's more complex than what you think I believe.

@the-absolute-light Ай бұрын

No one suffers. Suffering may appear to happen to the ego. That is a result of self-ignorance. The ego does not exist. You remain unharmed by the karma. God does not suffer as God is uninvolved in the story of what happens.

@dnag02 Ай бұрын

@@the-absolute-light Sorry. This doesn't satisfy me. Not sure what you are talking about. You are mingling words like ego self-importance blah blah your way without making much sense.

@dnag02 Ай бұрын

@@the-absolute-light no one suffers? Really? Are you drunk? Sufferings can be real.

@the-absolute-light Ай бұрын

@ you are striking me as someone unfamiliar with Advaita concepts. Maybe the title of the video mentioning ‘free will’ brought you in and you’re in unfamiliar territory. I won’t elaborate then, as I’m not sure how many questions you’d have to ask until you’re satisfied. Feel free to indulge in Swami Sarvapriyananda’s content if you’re open to it.

@dnag02 Ай бұрын

@@the-absolute-light I am ready to listen and pay attention when someone is saying from his/her genuine spiritual experiences. I doubt if rationalizing intellectully using concepts blah blah takes one very far when one is on a spiritual path. Swami V was terrific intellectually but that did not take him far till one day his Guru whose divine life was filled with spiritual experiences, bestowed on him profound and life transforming spiritual experiences. He then experienced some truths which his rational mind was not willing to accept earlier. I believe something very similar happened to Paul Brunton as well while in India. When he almost gave up on Indian spirituality and chose to go back to England, someone suggested him to meet with Ramana Maharishi. What happend next was no less remarkable. The old Paul Brunton with all his doubts and questioning mind ceased to exist and the new Paul turned into a mystic. I hear many similar stories at Sri Aurobindo ashram in Pondicherry as well.

@soumenpaul7544 Ай бұрын

If one looks back in life it's easy to see that no matter what we wanted, willed for and worked hard for materialized or not as per someone's else will not definitely ours. So why not just accept our thoughts as someone else's and ditto for the actions. We just need to be detached and be the witness and enjoy, same as God. Now, what's so difficult to comprehend about it ??

@vamu19 Ай бұрын

If one surrenders to Him then there is no free will

@jayachandranthampi4807 Ай бұрын

Newton's law state that any object will continue it's state, unless acted upon by an external force - that's the law - No freedom, but only dependence called, Inside dependence - Independence!!! It's free, when Intentionally it's done - Intentionally be dependent!!! This in - tension, is Intention! That's freedom....Free Will is Freeing the Willing process. Ie, "Willed" (Intentional) Freedom, through Dependence....

@nightwing8666 Ай бұрын

are u on drugs?

@shawrove Ай бұрын

You have a free will within a framework.

@manjunatha8131 Ай бұрын

Where is free will? He born here because of his accumulated past KARMA,and he again perform lots of karmas knowingly or unknowingly. His life situations forces him to do good or bad karmas. I don't think man has got free will of his own.

@nameless-yd6ko Ай бұрын

Does FREE WILL exist at all ? ~~~ Bad question. Existence is ALL inclusive, so 'free-will/choice MUST exist! Now, the question is where. Is it some universal Reality, a constant, or does it exist solely in the ego of the beholder, and as the topic of conversations, and as the reason that we punish each other yet it does nothing positive... If we imagine that we are Superman and flying, in our mind we are, it exists in our mind. Thus everything exists, the only question might be 'where'. If we want to limit the parameters of the discussion to philosophy and science, then; The "free-will/choice' vs 'determinism' argument is already a fallacy; a false dilemma. That they are already a fallacy, it shouldn't be shocking that there is a superior theory. The quote from Feynman at the end is the death knell of both 'free-will' and 'determinism' and their bastard children 'compatabilism and un-compatabilism! But first, a definition; "Free-will/Choice"; an egoically satisfying theory as to the meaning of a feeling/thought (ego). Get it? Whether the concept of 'free-will/choice' is anything more than an egoic delusion seems to be simply answered by 'deconstruction'. The punch line is that All is One! The Enlightened/Saved, Mystic know this experientially. Quantum physics certainly supports this. So, starting from this point, One single Universe, in perfect balance... One Truth perceived by Consciousness through infinite unique Perspectives (Souls), us. Not anything is actually moving, time is the theory to 'splain the illusion of motion, and now there are concepts of a 'self' distinct from Self with the ability to alter the entire Universe to, most often, make their own little life a bit more comfortable. After all, if you could actually 'change' anything, in the great One, you'd have to also 'change' everything! Talk about an ego trip, a God complex, no wonder people believe in 'free-will/choice'. Not to mention that everyone has the Godlike ability to alter the Universe for a Big Mac! Is this not the very definition of 'chaos'? The concept/belief does have quite the twitching support group, though. I suspect that the notion of free-will/choice is just another acquired belief virus. The symptoms of the defenders supports that theory. So, deconstructing Truth, 'free-will/choice' is impossible, other than as a notion/belief/delusion. Every moment of existence exists Now! "The Laws of Nature are not rules controlling the metamorphosis of what is, into what will be. They are descriptions of patterns that exist, all at once... " - Genius; the Life and Science of Richard Feynman All 'eternity' at once; Here! Now!!

@MM-dh3wr Ай бұрын

Space and time are not causal….also karma, matter No causality among these but causal within space, within time, ….but no causality between space and time…they are relational or dependent

@sanjeevkulkarni4923 Ай бұрын

Will any guru guide Hindus on something useful in life which will enable them to survive? They don't realise it yet but they are in grave danger and may go extinct discussing irrelevant trivia.

@0004W Ай бұрын

Instead of asking whether humans have free will, ask whether God has free will ? He does not . He cannot have free will and be omniscient at the same time . If you change what you knew in advance then you were not omniscient in the first place . And if you cannot change what you knew in advance you are not omnipotent. Omnipotence contradicts omniscience

@utkarshsingh7204 Ай бұрын

Profound

@shuvamchatterjee8611 21 күн бұрын

Aren't you imposing human limitations on the absolute reality? Sri Ramkrishna clearly said that you can't argue your way to God.

@0004W 20 күн бұрын

@ universe is the only absolute reality… it was there before you and Ramakrishna! Universe is knowable through human brain ! Brain is the only source of consciousness and not the other way round

@soumya4559 11 күн бұрын

Shallow knowledge...little learning is a dangerous thing!

@0004W 11 күн бұрын

@@soumya4559 not trying to do any work on your own … relying completely on others wishful thinking is stupidity

@freejo4000 Ай бұрын

as a mayavadi, u cant say there is free will... there is no jivatma, according to u. so how a jivatma can have free will...

@mintusaren895 Ай бұрын

Swamy not try your will.

@0004W Ай бұрын

We only have free will … There is no God’s will because there is no God

@nightwing8666 Ай бұрын

these types of videos are not for you then just move along and don’t waste ur time commenting

@harekrishnasingharoy1677 Ай бұрын

If you understand science a bit you know that 'free will' can't exist.Everything happens as a chain of 'cause and effect'.Nothing happens without a cause or reason.