Does Games Workshop Finally GET the Guard!? | Astra Miliatrum | Warhammer 40,000

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[@Jon-t1z7z]

I hope the Tank Commander gets a fix, maybe TWO orders! The Commissar needs fixing too. I LOVED the 9th Ed. Commissar orders. The Guard without Commissars doesn't feel right.

[@percymacdonald6657]

GW 'get' the guard...a codex 2 months before the end of the edition.

[@klaykid117]

At this point I feel like the best thing JW could do would be to make the guardsman one of the first 11th edition releases

[@whatwhat7119]

@@klaykid117 just never drop the one for this edition and instantly drop it for the next one, make one thats good for both editions, something

[@connergiven89]

@@percymacdonald6657 ...is there a new edition forthcoming???

[@percymacdonald6657]

@@connergiven89 yes it'll drop 15 hours after our new codex.

[@dariusfafoutakis8021]

The rules seem fun for the one "detachment" we have, but Im very worried and excited about our coming codex. I have reasons to be scared and hopeful.

[@gatchy3]

GW has near perfect guard rules! In the Horus Heresy for Solar Auxilia.

[@jamesloder8652]

Lol true

[@lordcastellan4735]

Imperial Militia has the most fun rules in Horus Heresy.

[@gatchy3]

​@@lordcastellan4735Luv me militia, done Squat Militia via alot of the Necromunda kits

[@baalthazaarr5976]

yeah...in 3rd ed 40k

[@konst80hum]

Nah, they are just getting through the old Forge World catalogue. This is the Guard son, we don't get nice things

[@wyatttyson7737]

The models have been great and I am hopeful for the codex, but right now its hard to say “GW is understanding the Guard” while 18 Bullgyrns is the start of nearly every “competitive” list. Once those naked Deathwing Knights get nerfed and the rest of the index gets buffed, or when everything else just gets buffed in the codex, then I’ll wholeheartedly be in board.

[@eyohboy455]

Leontus and Bullgryn as artillery did b4 is holding the army back yep

[@nathanreynolds4378]

I've played 40k since 1st ed and guard in every iteration. Peak Guard for me coincided with The Eye of Terror codex and the City Fight supplement. I must make a special mention to the FW Anphelion project and the awesome Elysian drop troops too! Everyone has their fave memories.

[@quentin9909]

This was the perfect time 3-4ed codex with airborne regiment doctrine for ever

[@Dram1984]

Can’t wait for them to introduce Primarius Guardsmen that are totally different and oh yeah you’re old dudes are all legends now.

[@lupusprimealpha6198]

No one tell him about the... Primaris Psyker :p

[@adddad9779]

I still have a bucket full of 1st Gen space marines... when they got outmoded, I vowed to never buy another GW model. Only thing I will buy is a new codex and rule book.

[@Alexander59059]

@@Dram1984 I didn’t think people were still bitter about that

[@Dram1984]

@@Alexander59059 massively :p

[@arick6601]

Huh weird. All the firstborn stuff is still available in the list builder. Must be a glitch on mine or something.

[@LiliaArmoury]

a breakdown of the last 10 years of guard model releases: we went 8 years without a range refresh start of 2014 we got: - plastic commissar with power sword and two pistol options - taurox/ taurox prime kit - scions/tempestus command kit - hydra/wyvern kit - plastic ogryn/bulgryn kit between 2015 and 2020 we got: - engineseer (partly because gw updated it for mechanicus) - resin commissar (now discontinued) - 2018 sly marbo remake - 2 limited run catachan commanders 2021 we got: plastic krieg veterans and gaunts ghosts 2022 we got: cadia stands: - new cadian command squad - new cadian infantry squad - new sentinel - field ordinance batteries then the gloriousness of 2023 happened and we got: - 2 new heroes - cadian castallan - new commissar model with two melee options - new cadian heavy weapons team - kasarkin in plastic - rogal dorn - plastic primaris psyker from a blackstone fortress expansion - aegis defense line - rough riders - cadian upgrade sprue - models from cadia stands - (i think i missed one or two) 2024 so far: - mars pattern leman russes (offically solar auxilia leman russ) - malcador heavy tank/annihlator (offically a solar auxilia malcador heavy tank)

[@nathanyork2358]

We peaked in 3.5, same as Chaos. 4th Ed was Golden Age of 40k Codecies

[@vxicepickxv]

That Chaos codex was brutal. No saves for you.

[@thehiddenheretic]

Can't ignore how good we were in 5th. What broke us was GW deliberately ruining how we made armies because they have had a plan for at least 8 years to make everything and every army the same. And before someone says we were broken because we had so many troops, let's not forget that guard were seldom dominating the game and that people who didn't play them right got destroyed. The game is more balanced now, but the armies are boring as fuck and it has taken 18 months to get a lot of the armies to feel kind of balanced, but I don't see how they will ever get the game fully balanced which defeats the point of making the game competition focused.

[@ObjectiveMedia]

This is peak 40K in general

[@IlanMuskat]

Point of order: well-painted Catachans still look awesome. SWOLE KINGS. It's just unfortunate that the models on the web store were painted in The Past in the style of green-base oldhammer, with big painted googly eyes. Look at the models themselves -- they look tough and hold up just fine!

[@midnightflare9879]

Guard can't get away with one subfaction being the posterboys the same way the marines can, because differnet regiments aren't just painted differently. I would love to see guard getting a new poster child each edition, that would be a nice way to never run out of ideas for new releases.

[@Arantonak]

I like krieg as a flavorful side faction, but for me they run totally opposite to everything I like about the guard. For me, it's really important to see a guardsman's face, so you know that he is human.

[@nraketh]

That’s why I like them too. They’re regular people fighting against horrors. Death korps are a bit too dehumanized for me. But they’re cool too and I have a few squads.

[@mercbambi3895]

​@nraketh the recent Siege of Vraks book actually took some effort to humanize the Krieg, to an extent, still the stoics as ever but you can still see that they are at the end of the day human through that book which was nice

[@dakotawalkerauthor]

I was so disappointed by the book. Steve Lyons is a decent idea man, but he makes a terrible novelist.

[@sharkaan2471]

I still miss the Valhallan’s, I loved their Flamer & Melta theme. Pity, they won’t be making a comeback (The Krieg replaced them).

[@reecedignan8365]

As I’ve always said. Best way to do guard, literally take the old Fantasy Flight Only War RPG book and literally almost copy that over in many ways. Literally take the Regimental creation system and let players create their regiment from bottom up using essentially Regimental Points. Allow them to choose their regiments Homeworld which provides a small buff and/or Special rule reflective of the planets population. Let them choose their regiment type which again provides a couple rules to buff the main play style of that regiment however also gives a large set of restriction on what you can take. E.g. Armoured Regiments cannot take Infantry subtype models unless as allies. Mechanised regiments must always have transports Line and Light regiments can’t take vehicles outside sentinels. Drop Troops gain deep strike but again can’t take any vehicles outside of specially designed drop trooper ones. Combined arms allows everything but at the same time gives barely any bonuses as you have the bonuses of being able to use everything. Regimental Training Doctrines can be choose which help to provide a small buffs in your troopers. E.g. Iron Discipline allows a player to re-roll battle shock tests. Survivalists allow you to choose a subtype of terrain and essentially get move through cover and bonus +1 to hit while inside said cover subtype. Sharpshooters - re-roll 1’s to hit. Anti-armour - gain +1 AP and +D3 damage on Special and Heavy weapons that shoot vehicles. Favoured Foe - choose an enemy faction and gain essentially Hatred vs them. And then you have Specialist Equipment Doctrines which essentially give you buff to specialist equipment or give you access to specialist equipment options E.g. well provisioned - units in this force can take 1 additional special weapon per squad. Augmetics - gain a +6 Feel no Pain. Electronic Warfare - enemy stratagems cost +1 CP to play. Stealthers - may take camo cloaks Grenadiers - may take carapace armour Specialist Lances - may take special lances (Equine units only) Reinforced Hulls - vehicles damage charts are reduced by half rounded down. (I.e. a baneblade who counts as Damaged normally with 8 wounds or under only suffered the damaged special rule at 4 wounds or under). Scavengers - before the game, roll for each squad in your army and consult the chart. And this chart would have some interesting results for units such as maybe giving them a specialist extra weapon or heavy weapon for free, maybe a squad is extra lucky and gains a full crate of free Hellbuns to use, or they can get very unlucky and end up losing their special or heavy weapon or are giving damaged armour/vests reducing their save by 1. And yes I don’t want every single one to be competitive, I do want some that are there for the old narrative and casual players to just have fun with too.

[@bantercane9996]

I just want Vostroyan Firstborn back especially in Plastic

[@blairbrendasmith7798]

I’m fingers crossed for plastic steel legion

[@Luetin09]

Great overview as always, enjoyed the listen. An additional 30 minutes would have been great 😅

[@benparker1822]

Not only did you have the platoon as stock troop choices, but you had the Command Platoon which allowed you to pad your command squad HQ choice with a bunch of supplemental things like heavy weapons squads, Sentinel scouts, so on and so forth.

[@lemcrossview5358]

I've been watching your comment since about the end of 9th, start of 10th, and your passion for the faction is infectious.

[@Aserox]

Without the Astartes, the Imperiums fall is inevitable. Without the Guard, there is no Imperium.

[@kjubon8888]

I forced my friend to build me 120 cadians o7 to him

[@mighty6087]

Now you get to do the fun part, painting

[@AAhmou]

Building is the best part... Painting them however.

[@kyoukan91]

Until they give us plastic Tallarns or new rules for them I'll hate how GW handles IG.

[@Jaybirderino]

Send in the next model wave! Glory to the first man to be built!

[@Jon-t1z7z]

@Jaybirderino Well, with what they did to "Reinforcements", you're only getting one small next wave. They could at least have increased the cost on subsequent uses or something!

[@adamcarey6093]

I actually like 10th and I like where the guard is, for an index. I think they’ve done a good job with the rules this edition. I like the different unit types like Cadians, death Korps, etc. they’ve done well. I also like the different officers and leader units being stricter to certain units they can join. Forces some flavor on the army. I’ve come to really like Cadian Castellans and their fall back and shoot and sustained hits.

[@adamcarey6093]

I am also afraid they will ruin what they’ve built with the codex release

[@Jon-t1z7z]

@adamcarey6093 I'd actually like a leader such as a Commissar to be able to adopt the keyword ability of a unit like Kasrkin. If they are to use their [Scout] ability then they are denied a leader.

[@ayy-lec6462]

As someone who only played guard in 10th edition, I gotta say its the faction I had most fun playing, used to play CSM/World Eaters in 9th early 10th, but guard is just so much more enjoyable to play

[@christopherbarnes1358]

One change that's small that I would love is cadians getting assault to fit their shock troop title. Weather it's in a detachment or a change to their ability that would be brilliant. And commissars getting better orders these two units pack identity on table top

[@liamcarter5389]

Whoever wrote the imperialise Militia in heresy understands guard. Been loving heresy Militia and running 300 dudes with arty russes and the infantry get send in the next wave on 4+

[@joeladkins1046]

Best thing about the Dorn is all the stowage!

[@adddad9779]

Not sure if you will see this MG... I thought of a video convept if you are interested.... Escalation lagues are big here... we start at 500 pts, and each game is increased by 250 pts. It would be awesome to see your perspective on this format.

[@nobodyreally834]

Well, you can't even buy the old Basilisk, so of course people are using the solar auxiliary ones

[@ErrantSquire]

It's an exciting time for sure! Just getting back into 40k recently. I finally have enough of my guard painted up to make 2k points but I am finding with your videos that I need to make a lot of updates to my pistol troops to plasma pistols, and model more plasma weapons in general. I looked online and found some non-gw sexy female guard that I might pick up for my regiments soon too. Running 300 models on the table might be kind of sick lol. For now I have about 140 infantry and special weapons.

[@ruslanburnashev1294]

From competitive point of view guard is good now. But from the point of view of canonicity we have lost a lot after the last rules changes. No big blobs of infantry, no artillery. Just tanks, chimeras and bullgryns

[@WhenYouGoMadd]

For Guard. GW needs to update the Catachans. And the Tank Commander. And then they need to address these old Guard factions. With the Mordians and Elysians.

[@NoobandTheCapy]

i mean we got some sort of tank commander in the cadian upgrade kit but we really need other regiments

[@WhenYouGoMadd]

@@NoobandTheCapy The main issue I have with the Tank Commander is his rulings and how he functions. (Not his model). The Tank Commander can't issue Orders to his own Tank. And he can only be attached to a Leman Russ. His Ability doesn't make a lot of sense. And he can't issue Orders to the BaneBlade or even be attached to one. Because of this the Tank Commander feels really janky, strange, and awkward.

[@WhenYouGoMadd]

I really want to put the Tank Commander in a Rogal Dorn, a BaneBlade (and it's variants), a Malcador, and a Macharius. The Tank Commander should function similiar to how an Officer can be attached to a Regiment. The TC should simply be an Officer Model that is attached to a Tank. And to visually represent him the Tank he is attached to should have a TC model sitting up on the top of the Tank.

[@marrowkaiproductions7053]

The simple fact is that doing all the old Regiments is not easily possible, there are Mordians, Elysians, Steel Legion, Valhalans, Vostroyians, etc.

[@LiliaArmoury]

of the vehicles i bought for the guard so far this year one of them was the malcador (which can only be built as a battle tank or annihlator if you plan on running it in 40k) and the other was the classic basilisk.

[@captainhll9661]

You have once again Mordian done it, you really should be working for GW as a GAMES designer, like we had in the day. Oh and I still have Stu as my tank commander.

[@douglasbeveridge1861]

Mordian , my guard guru, the guy who knows so much about the guard, I have a question for you, and I'm not sure where to post this .....I the world of 40K does a medic, and or anything medical still sport the red cross on a white field such as we are mostly used to seeing from the past and even in some places today? I would greatly appreciate an answer to this burning question here by you, if you can, or from anyone else whom may be able to answer it. Thank you so much for all that you do for us true guardsmen.

[@victorcastanet8923]

@@douglasbeveridge1861 Look up Imperial Guard Medic on the Warhammer 40K wiki, on the picture that heads the article there is the “Medicae” symbol on the guardsman’s shoulder

[@LokiLaughs2]

What's the most expensive army in 40k? Guard. What's their favorite regiment? DKOK. Alrighty then time to give the big spenders what they want and lighten their wallets.

[@LiliaArmoury]

from the start of 8th to the end of 9th sisters of battle got 4 different dexes/codexes sisters didn't even have plastic models till the final months of 8th edition (outside of an immolator kit that doubled as an rhino)

[@im2randomghgh]

I will say, I don't miss having 18 orders.

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

I'm ngl... I don't like the new Cadian models. They're fine sculpts, I like the truescale. But they also look too kitted out with all these gibbons and widgets all over their uniforms. The old infantry models really gave the feeling of "these are soldiers given the minimal amount of gear and aren't expected to survive more than this one battle" they had a rifle, a knife, some ammo, a canteen, and maybe some grenades.

[@ericspies292]

@@oblivionfan345Tony if backpacks were optional then I’d be perfectly happy with them

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

@@ericspies292 couldn't agree more! I also prefer more static poses.

[@survivingsince84]

A very bold question if I ever heard one 😅

[@benparker1822]

I really don't like having to paint a lot of human faces, knowing how much variety you can have among even 10 guardsman. I had to come up with some way to randomize skin, eye and hair color. After doing that, I wanted to give up. Seeing the Kasrkyn facemasks, and how that was implemented for grunt units in the vaunted Space Marine video game, I was wishing GW would give us those heads on sprues to allow people like me to build the large number of humble, anonymous guardsmen in squads so I didn't have to exercise that much creativity.

[@gangsterguardsman4576]

Or just paint the skin a generic tan color and then use either reikland fleshshade (for lighter skinned) or agrax earthshade (for darker skin) Don’t paint eyes, they look fine enough with just shade at 4 feet away

[@benparker1822]

@@gangsterguardsman4576 Doesn't work for me.

[@marcusflutist1230]

@@benparker1822 kinda late for the party, but Guilliman Flesh is great, and you can paint it over different priming colors (Grey Seer, Wraithone, plain white...)

[@89334726]

Now make Guard cheap enough with monopose figures to fill the rank-and-file. Also I miss the old regiments. Krieg is fine if you're into WW1 era germans, but some miss the old redcoats or arabian lawrences...

[@nraketh]

I’d love to see praetorians return in plastic!

[@actinium2754]

Krieg are actually a combo of French (coat, top of helmet and rifle), British (small box respirator, puttees), and German (rest of helmet, pack, and a few other things) soldiers in WW1, but I get what you mean.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Litterally every country in ww1 used puttees.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Also the rifle is based off the gewehr 98 and the Bar. So idk why would think it's french

[@Majere613]

I'm still not sold on Born Soldiers, the current version makes anti-armour weapons carried by Infantry, or anti-Infantry weapons on armour, feel like they're on the wrong model. A Punisher might get a bit of a bump in all-round usefulness from Lethals against monsters and vehicles, but it's supposed to be an infantry killer. Likewise a Lascannon team really doesn't much care about Lethal hits against a bunch of Boyz. I think a better version might be Lethal Hits on any Guard unit currently under the effect of an Order, so your Officers start to have a more direct effect on your units' effectiveness. Of course in any case that's only one Detachment, so hopefully we'll see some other interesting ones that aren't just copypasta from other books. I'd also still love to see a Renegade detachment that adds Chaos keywords and lets you do Pacts etc instead of Orders. Renegade Guard are the bad guys in no end of 40k novels but we can't really play them at the moment!

[@InmanScott]

Looking at the index, it really looks like GW listened to the discussion on the Bolter & Chainsword, IG forum, "9th edition wishlist" thread. Where GW has been struggling is the points cost. For the most part, the rules *feel* right. Orders, lethal hits, how units interace, etc. Yes, Lethal hits was just off the mark with the Stationary rule, and orders aren't quite there yet, but GW has the flavor down, but internal balance has suffered because of points.

[@joeladkins1046]

Dad to say I'm not doing the Guard too proud at Champs Cup this weekend. Two losses and the Balmorran 129th only has 86 points over two games so far

[@lofidante1778]

The kreig are the Pepsi to the Cadian Coke.

[@Temba212]

HOW YOU HAVE GROWN I joined you when you had like 1k followers. I was just starting my first architecture job and was supporting your Patreon. Unfortunately, at the time, I lost that job after some time and had to save money so I had to unsubscribe. It sucked cause you called out my screen name as a thank-you for subscribing and supporting the channel. I am glad that did not affect you in any way and you really flourished at 54k+ subscribers. You always had passion, great content, and unique gameplay ideas. I'm glad you are keeping up content and staying Mordian strong! I'll be rekindling my love for your channel here! I have a tactic that you would love to hear or test out. I'll wait for the next mechanized video to post this tactical idea.

[@Xerathiel]

It's very simple. Big explosion with swarms.

[@lucasalexander43]

They need to get rid of cadian squads or catachan squads, ect ect And make it fire support infantry squad, shock infantry squad, recon infantry squad. That way guard players with older collections can fit there models in to what they think is best. Because right now, we feel like Tau.

[@nadinabbott3991]

Guard player. We play one page rules these days. They get the guard. It’s actually fun to play.

[@jacobescalante7487]

I do like the changes of all wargear options included. Some vehicles make great points cost use of this. I do miss the 30 man blobs. Both conscripts and ork boys are missed

[@damianlodge9339]

Btw where is this information about a "full plastic Krieg" range of models coming from? I'd like to see it for myself

[@peterhajdu3272]

Hi! I am new in warhammer 40k and I started the Astra militarum faction. Originally I tried to plan my army as part of a battalion tactical group, than I changed my plan to a heavy brigade. Than I saw this video and this hiped me up how to plan. But I am in lack of information. Which sources do you recomend? Where can I find the structure of an armoured regiment? Because the most sources concentrate to mechanized infantry regiments. Is it acceptable to plan a combined regiment? Is Imperial armour vol. 1. (edition 1/2) good for this? Thank you for your help!

[@irishrelief6293]

What from Solar Auxiliary is transferable to 40k size wise?

[@vxicepickxv]

The Leman Russ is almost identical, but no sponsons. I think the lasgun section is the same size as modern cadians.

[@Nick_the_Salamander]

The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura.

[@fatrobin72]

I loved that 3.5 dex.

[@wurstsalatplays523]

Im a No lifer for guard, only army i collect and with a passion. The index is alright. But feels very limited in options. And i rly dont like the way they handle infantry with multiple datasheets and wish that would be woven back into a detachment rule or atleast generalize them a bit. Weapon teams are nigh unusable sadly. We have alot of dysinergies. Plastic Krieg is cool and all. but wont add ANYTHING for me as a vostroyan collector. And i HATE havin to run datasheets named after other regiments with their flavour. Cadians could just be "shock troops" While kriegers are like fussiliers or line infantry... and catachans maybe assault sappers or smth.. and add the regimental flavour in a detachment rule

[@JonathanCrane82]

Guard will be the 11th poster faction, no doubts. My hope is for Elysian reissue, but probably not.

[@myrmidon775]

Can’t wait for the new Kreig but I still love my Cadians

[@Chaz16]

5 years no change sounds good to me

[@im2randomghgh]

Give me Elysians or give me death!

[@GulNadar]

Taking away two solid Catachan leaders suggests GW doesn’t.

[@T3koner]

I miss 3rd and 4th ed guards structure and the doctrines were fun.

[@TheLostAdventurer]

meh, I've been around since the end of 2nd, beginning of 3rd. 5th edition was where we peaked, literally, create your own regiment.

[@Sgt-lott10]

I wasn't a fan of the range refresh, the choice to completely change the silhouette of the cadian armor was aggravating, worse was when I built them and realized they couldn't be kitbashed with any human model in the range like you could do in the past with tank crews, catachan, etc all being comparable without needing filler And whilst yes I do like the new sentinel how it's actually got an engine I think it and the rogal Dorn lack the riveted together sheets of metal look and went to a cast system which when you remove the Aquilas and rivets looks like something the tau would make for guevesa

[@alekseylibernikel7606]

3e and 5e codexes was pick for guard IMHO

[@richardseaton6390]

GW love crapping on the guard from a great height - why stop now?

[@joeladkins1046]

Leave my derpy Catachan alone

[@joeladkins1046]

It's a face only a motherf@$$ can love

[@helline9]

Wait...? are you saying that GW has recognised that there is more to 40k than just space marines? that people can & do play other factions! 0_0

[@Shiro.1291]

I wish they would release a roadmap at the beginning of a edition as i got 3000 points of resin krieg at the beginning of 10th, feels a bit stale in my mouth, not gonna lie. The problem is that i want to feel excited, but i dumped so much into resin krieg, that im not sure how much i can profit from the range refresh, as krieg are famous for their uniformity

[@plasia]

I disagree, the artillery nerf was half-arsed and didn't consider a myriad of things. For example it soft-broke the Praetor rules. We need to stop giving them a free pass like "oh they are trying" or "oh they are better than they used to be".

[@miguelperez9906]

Seeing what they did with the blood angels tge new guard units are going to be cadiens with different helmets

[@geertbeekman8680]

Cant say im very happy with the gaurd,, different squads only having acces to specifik special weapons or equipment. catchan only having a flamer is a big pile of shit.

[@ericspies292]

Catachan only having access to flamers is acceptable if they were either cheaper or had a slightly better ability

[@thecourier2956]

Honestly, I cant stand Cadians, they are the Blueberries of the Guard. I miss Knight Commander Pask, my favourite named character.

[@tylermckee5968]

He’s a Cadian character

[@jorzolek01]

@@tylermckee5968😂

[@Madlarkin00]

I disagree with Krieg being the most popular... they should have done the ghosts as they have the biggest and probably most popular series.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

The ghosts are litteraly the 1st *and only*. Worst possible regiment to make models for.

[@Madlarkin00]

I disagree as they have folded in reinforcements from 2 different worlds throughout their book series, so they could have indefinite reinforcements

[@ObjectiveMedia]

What saved GW wasn’t 8th edition it was the huge marketing campaign they put behind it (and the promise of improved/true-scale marines). It just took a couple of years for most of the historical players returning to the hobby to realise that the game were completely different and objectively worse than what it was before, and that the primaris releases were nothing like the iconic first born marines we all know and love.

[@Pikilloification]

Objectively worse? Nope. I was there from 2nd ed and the game got so much more fun mate...

[@marrowkaiproductions7053]

Primaris is objectively more detailed, more accurate marines. (Except for the Vehicles.)

[@joshuasutherland6692]

Extremely little interest in the Kriegers. Vat-grown faceless troopers have no sauce. Give me my starship trooper Cadians any day.

[@ReaperoftheWar]

Yeah I don't think so tbh. GW has so beyond fucked 10th edition as a whole but what they did to guard made me sell my entire guard collection and just go skaven in age of sigmar.

[@richardseaton6390]

It’s all relative…I refused to buy Primaris marines after my army was 80% mothballed and started on guard. You packed in guard and changed game - hope you’re enjoying AoS 🫡

[@shadowslayer7892]

What'd they do that was so bad you jumped ship?

[@AnonD38]

You're so upset with GW that you decided to switch to...another GW IP?

[@xS1D3SW1P3x]

That'll show them!

[@nightvinev1]

10th as an edition is maybe the most well rounded edition 3rd 4th 5th were all eh its all right but the main rules wernt great 6th was better, 7th was ok but power creep just made the game terrible by the end, 8th 8th was pretty good the rules were a bit bloated but good, 9th took all of 8th and made it slightly worse and then 10th 10th is just just great all the best bits from 8th and 9th in the main rules codexs mildly questionable in places but the overall game experience is maybe the best state 40k has ever been in.

[@JC-jo9bf]

No. GW sucks.