Does Honda Have An Oil Dilution Problem? | 1.5L Engine in CR-V and Civic

[@LTX-Shep]

Have a 2017. The dealers have not been helpful at all and treat me like I'm the first person with the problem. I'm an ASE certified mechanic so know my way around an engine. I will never buy another Honda again because of the way the dealers and Honda corporation have treated us. Things happen when new technology is used but there's no excuse for treating customers poorly.

[@DriversOnly]

Sorry to hear that...unfortunately it seems like a lot of customers are getting the same run around.

[@onenikkione]

as a mechanic you should know better than to buy a newly designed engine/vehicle, even if it is a Honda. always wait at least 4 years for problems to show.

[@James5976]

I was worried about this before I got my CRV. So far I haven't had any issues but when it's cold out I get concerned.

[@James5976]

Do you have any thoughts as to the cause? I think it's bad rings and Honda has decided it's cheaper to deal with people after than proactively fix. It's also possible the problem isn't bad enough to actually make a difference to the life expectancy of the engine.

[@kingbronbron]

onenikkione I agree. Plus he gotta do his research before a new model car

[@ragazzi25]

And Honda got rid of the 2.4L bulletproof engine for 2020???? Ridiculous!

[@student8165]

Terry T yeah! No one buy new car because of this! Too much reliable and they dont make enough money !

[@NinjaPickups]

Terry T yea im a honda dude but cant buy a new Honda

[@Darksyne]

Terry T people and critics were complaining that the 2.4L wasn’t powerful or fuel efficient enough for modern applications. Unfortunately it just can’t compete with today’s modern turbo 4cyl despite it being bullet proof and easy to work on. You can still get the K24 motor while you can in some cars like the Acura ILX and TLX but even the modern ones are direct injected

[@NinjaPickups]

Darksyne yea ik times be changing but idk why the new generation only care about performance and hp numbers like how about you just enjoy the drive

[@Darksyne]

@@NinjaPickups because most new car buyer's are a bunch of idiots that don't understand the important factors of owning a car such as long term reliability and easy maintenance. They only care about what the gas mileage is, how much horsepower it has and maybe the crash test ratings if they have a family. They don't care how easy a car is to fix and how long it'll last because the dealer will take care of it under warranty until they dump it. That's why I'm never giving up my 2000 Acura TL even with nearly 300k because it's such an easy care to diagnose and repair with parts being cheap and plentiful because it shares platforms with the Accord.

[@johngonzales2211]

I've got an '18 CRV with the 1.5T. So far, I've got 39k on the clock. I wasn't aware of oil/fuel issue until a few months ago when I stumbled onto the subject in the CRV forums. Anyway, I switched to Amsoil at the first oil change. Just for fun and to monitor engine wear on this 1.5, I decided to use Blackstone Labs for oil analysis. My last sample was sent in with 6049 miles on the oil and 31,629 miles on the clock. Here's an excerpt from the Comments section of the lab results: JOHN: We're seeing good progress with this sample. Its lower metal levels are partially due to this being a shorter interval (at least so far), but there's also plenty of improvement on a per-mile basis, perhaps due to lingering wear-in washing out. Regardless, these are healthy numbers, so your engine is maturing well and without any major issues on the horizon. Silicon is fine at 41 ppm, but it may come down more in the future once the oil is changed. There's still fuel showing up, but 1.5% isn't a harmful or problematic amount. The 3.0 TBN shows plenty of additive left. Nice! I'm no engineer by any means, but I guess the 1.5% number quoted above suggests that there isn't an issue. I just sent off my latest oil sample to Blackstone, as I'm now at just under 38000 miles on the engine and the oil sample had 5941miles on it. I started with Amsoil Signature Series 0W20, but have decided to switch to Amsoil XL 0W-20 just to see the difference, if any, with lab results. Also, I switched to ethanol free gasoline after last oil change, which has increased my combined mpg from 28.6 avg to a consistent 34.2 avg. Lastly, I just stepped outside to sniff the oil dipstick. If it's got gas mixed in it, I can't tell, as that Amsoil has a pretty healthy scent to it. Sorry for the long rant, but I love this kind of stuff.

[@bstevens9831]

Thanks for posting the lab analysis John

[@Fadic4]

Use Mobil 1.

[@johngonzales2211]

Fadic4 I used Mobil1 in my previous vehicle. A 2001 Tundra V8 with 206k trouble-free miles with good results. Great truck, until a lady ran a stop sign and t-boned my beloved Tundra.

[@Fadic4]

John Gonzales I am curious to know what made you switch to a different brand? I honestly think they’re the best oil out there. They’re the biggest lubricant manufacture I believe and also spend the most on R&D. They have a whole fleet of cars in Las Vegas that get tested all the time, they also compete in a lot of motorsports as well.

[@taz4100]

The process with which Blackstone labs tests fuel In oil is not accurate. It's more expensive to have it properly tested. They are good for all other aspects but not for oil dilution. Check out bobistheoilguy.com for more information.

[@ChucklesMcChuckleson]

Dang. I preferred the CRV to the RAV4, but this kind of problem cannot be ignored.

[@ram89572]

The new 2019 2020 Rav4 generation looks nice what with all the new modern cabin features. And the hybrid is supposed to get something like 40 combined mpg. But they do supposedly have an issue in some with the baffle design in the fuel tank making it hard to fill past 10 gallons of the 14.5 gallon tank. The previous generation still looks good but has far less in the way of modern tech in the cabin. I mean a lack of rear climate vents in upscale trim levels in 2016, 17, 18 is pretty unacceptable That said, you're right the CRVs were a lot nicer than the outgoing Rav4 generation.....if only the powertrain was worth a damn

[@henryhonda8408]

That problem wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Even if you can only get 10 gallons in the tank.... @40 mpg that will get you 400 miles on that partial fill-up which is more than most vehicles with a full tank.

[@ram89572]

@@henryhonda8408 Oh yeah. And my understanding is that it isn't a problem with every fuel pump out there. Just some of them seem to cause the problem and you can work past it to fill all the way if you pull the nozzle out just a bit and fill slowly so the fuel has time to work it's way down past the bottleneck without backing up. If I was in the market for a new vehicle then the new generation Rav4 Hybrid would be quite high on my list. Sadly the vehicle currently on my shopping list is a compact cargo van to convert to right hand drive for running mail. Still debating which one of the 3 I want

[@henryhonda8408]

I agree...... just pull the nozzle a bit, I do that all the time to top off the tank. Some manufacturers say not to do this..... I had a 2009 Santa Fe & the manual said in bold letters to not overfill the tank as it could cause some engine damage. All the civics I've owned in the past & my present Insight hybrid don't say that in the manual so I do it. The Rav4 hybrid is definitely very high on my watch list as is the Rav4 Adventure (Trail in Canada).

[@gsxravery]

Just purchased the 2021 CRV hybrid touring purchased the 100k warranty.

[@CannondaleCannibal]

I work at a high volume Honda dealer as a tech and can honestly say we have not had a single issue with the engine or transmission in the 17+ Cr-v's. We have even had a few close to or over 100k miles that were uber or Lyft cars still going strong. Dilution or not I have yet to see any engine damage. A more common failure in these engines is oil starvation to the cylinder head due to a clogged oil passage through the head gasket...almost always caused by a small piece of plastic wrap from an oil filter.

[@markp6586]

Flatbill Ron hope you can say that 5 yrs from now to crv owners that have 100k plus miles on the turbo engine...

[@artoriasoftheabyss1575]

can you say the same thing now?

[@Blackhawk556.]

Any updates on your comment?

[@CannondaleCannibal]

@@Blackhawk556. Still very few problems and nothing I've sean related to oil dilution. Right now id say the most common issues are bad fuel injectors that cause vehicle to run richor lean and head gasket issues. The head gasket issue is still pretty few and far between.

[@natehess7663]

You guys at honda how do u not see Hondas with over 100k?? I'd think ther would b way more of them than under 100k. I mean my Hondas acuras they go 250-300 pretty easy unless the owner doesn't change oil and replace things as needed. 😊 not tryn 2 b disrespectful at all. I appreciate you coming on here as a Honda Tech and sharing your exp. Much appreciated. I suppose most people may not bring ther Hondas to the dealer after 60k-90k. And use smaller shops?? Just another guy concerned about his girls 18 CRV that we love like our older Hondas we had for so long and were the Best 2 us.

[@stevennevins6643]

When someone says: “The truth Is...” they are getting ready to lie to you.

[@johng5642]

I bought my 2018 CRV a year ago. I asked the salesman if the oil dilution is a problem here in So. California. In response, he offered a written lifetime powertrain warranty without charge. So far with 18,000 miles on it, no problems at all. Love the car!

[@MGgmdd]

That's great. Which dealership?

[@rayburns8019]

You reading your dip stick correctly, closely watch the diluting oil grow up your stick as the next oil change becomes closer and closer. Smell the stick as it grows. A strong gas smell is what you don't want your untrained nostrils to find.

[@patriciareynolds2729]

@@rayburns8019 we might get a checking kit for fuel in oil. ford has one for fuel in diesel?????

[@mss627]

That's a load of crap. When will these companies learn? It's not the defect. It's the coverup.

[@bstevens9831]

Yep, all manufacturers have issues but owning up to it is key for customers. Instead, they tarnish their reputation which is ultimately more expensive then the cover up approach.

[@debbiemacius2083]

I am having problems with my Honda 2017 crv with the oil dilution I will be taking it into the dealer very soon already have an appointment wish me luck

[@ericmurray238]

Any updates?

[@Halalmeal]

Any updates?

[@williambolden562]

When other KZbin creators have Scotty Kilmer in their videos, you know right there he's the "MAN" and he's big time.

[@xxBLKSNXxx]

It doesn't make him automatically correct though.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

kilmer is the biggest hack on youtube

[@geftiler2112]

I cant stand his voice... very annoying.

[@BK_2016sr5]

@@Welcometofacsistube of course, guys like you exist. Tell us more how much more you know and the real truth lol

[@TA0121]

Scotty is a proper G no one can touch him he doesn't make the consumer buy crap only cars that last 👍👍

[@leedaq7767]

You are the first youtuber who is addressing this matter seriously. It’s the same 1.5T engine so the problem hasn’t fixed

[@vbad128]

.. except Scotty Kilmer.. which he refrenced 🙄

[@atticstattic]

Far from the first, just the latest...

[@atticstattic]

@daryl howard Nope. Several channels covered this before Scotty, including John Codogan who did it 2 years ago....

[@progz5232]

Wow yes, please put more spotlight on this problem I have a 2017 Honda Civic and it is happening with it

[@moeanthony9308]

Car connection just did a review.

[@darylbell2526]

I own a 2019 Honda Civic Turbocharged engine. I just checked my oil dip stick and found that the oil level was 1.5 inches above the normal oil fill mark on the dip stick. The oil had a strong odor of gasoline. It was not due to cold weather. I did recently drive to Florida from Ohio in very sunny, warm weather. Before leaving from Ohio I had the oil changed. I will get my oil changed again, but am concerned enough to reach out to my Honda dealer. Thank you for your video about this issue.

[@marcbee1234]

7:08 I'd love to know exactly what their incorporated countermeasures are?!

[@ROBMACDUI]

Smoke and mirrors.

[@2010ngojo]

"trade secret" or "confidential information"

[@hugh3rdof5]

exactly....... and dare I suggest this video drone is the latest (crude) countermeasure..... to make folks think that by golly all is well now.....

[@steveg6978]

Buy a Rav4...LOL !

[@jamesthomson3059]

I had a 2017 1.5L turbo CRV in Alberta Canada. Drive it 30 mile commutes in winter. So engine had lots of time to heat up. It still had serious oil dilution issues. Also the cab would not heat up in winter. Engine took all the heat. Froze my butt off last winter. Was my third CRV. Traded it in and bought a 2019 Mazda CX-5. Had it for 10 months. Handles better, faster, and warms up fast! Liked it so much my daughter even bought one. Honda lost us...

[@troyjollimore4100]

The Mazda is nice. My Civic was slow to heat up as well, but after the 'fix' was done for the oil dilution it heated up much faster.

[@fiveowaf454]

What I cannot understand is the time it's taking these engines to warm up as that seems key to the issue of the oil dilution. Most modern vehicles warm up very quickly, manufacturers worked out decades ago that by reducing the volume of coolant in the actual engine, they would heat up quicker and fuel mileage would increase. So what is the issue with the CRV, even an old Isuzu Rodeo we have will warm up from a 25 degree start within a few miles. Did Honda put a lot of coolant capacity in the engine block and head because a turbo charged engine can produce so much heat when using lots of boost? It seems the whole problem is caused by some fundamental design fault in that 1.5 engine and will never be solved until there is some major redesign.

[@troyjollimore4100]

@@fiveowaf454 Nothing of the sort, AFAIK. Your Rodeo would have held around 11L of coolant. The CR-V? I can't find the actual spec, but I can't see it being over 9L. It's a much smaller engine. You don't 'hold' the heat in the coolant, you cycle it through the radiator (intercooler) as quickly as possible. It's more a result of ignition timing and fuel. The computer runs the engine rich at startup to ensure easier running, as well as getting fuel to 'burn up' in the catalytic converter to heat it up faster. But rich mixtures run cooler. Leaning it out heats the block (and coolant) up faster. It's a balancing act.

[@fiveowaf454]

@@troyjollimore4100 You are confusing overall coolant capacity of the system, with the volume within the actual motor and controlled by a closed thermostat at startup, until the engine warms up sufficiently. As to he rest of your comment about "cycling it through the radiator etc". as a Mechanical Engineer who has been working on vehicles for over 45 years, I have no idea what point you are making, relative to the point at hand.

[@harley62t]

Folks are mixing up the reason why Toyota added port injection to their GDI engine. Port injection helps keep the intake valve cleaner of carbon deposits, an issue that is associated with GDI engines. Having some port injection will help reduce oil dilution. I have a 2017 CR-V in Tennessee and have some oil dilution so I change my oil at 4000 miles and use Mobile 1 full synthetic. I get GREAT gas mileage, 35 mpg and so far, no issues at 40,000 miles.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Honda rep: "oh yeah, it's perfectly normal. Gas leaking into the oil pan is part of the startup process." LMAO, okay buddy.

[@student8165]

Invidious Ignoramus It’s normal, but the quantity is a fact to take in consideration! I know, no of my friend had buy one, I cant judge by myself but if the ratio is really bad, its can literally destroyed the engine...

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

It happens in every single engine ever made, not just direct injected ones. It's the reason oil needs to be changed, rather than just changing filters. The problem here is the quantity. VW/Audi TSI engines are also high offenders. Ford Ecoboost seem to be the only turbo charged direct injection engines that don't have a greater problem with dilution than their N/A port injected counterparts (they have other issues to be fair, but not this one).

[@student8165]

Right Wing Safety Squad thank you :)

[@johnh8546]

This is common to all engines that's why the sitting slow warm up is so bad for car engines. I have an 07 Accord with the K24 with 300,000 on the clock never opened and it has some oil dilution it just happens.

[@craig162]

Do you own a Honda with this engine ? Do you work for Honda and have info about this ?

[@ElectoneGuy]

Honda should stick to normally aspirated engines.

[@JJ-ls7fq]

Agreed.

[@thump3r]

naaa.. you have to start somewhere.... ooo man i can got back an remember sooooooooooo many bad things that happened with ALLL manufatures.... ford chevy nissan toyota ect.

[@majed9r]

@Mark F Competition for better gas mileage , just like CVT trend!

[@Darksyne]

Mark F the rest of the industry made that switch as well. Honda doesn’t want to get left behind

[@mikeschiavoni5973]

I know, they had it right with a simple mechanical vvt and na. I think all this turbo stuff is designed to kill the gasoline vehicle. Why else would thet make a car in 2019 that will last half as many miles as the same model made in 2007??????

[@67daltonknox]

The warranty extension that Honda offered is pretty poor for anyone who likes to hang onto their cars to get their money out of them. The truth won't be known for a few years. Either these engines will have premature failure, or they won't. You certainly won't find me risking my money on that bet.

[@markp6586]

Totally agree. I asked Honda for a longer warranty for my 18 CRV and they said NO! This confirms my suspicions that they are a different company now and don't care about the quality of the product...OR the customer! My next car will be either a Toyota or Mazda. Honda is no longer loyal to me so why I should continue to be loyal to them, even though I've owned 8 other Hondas over the years.

[@67daltonknox]

@@markp6586 It's too bad - going to come back to haunt them.

[@jeffstone7912]

Oil is cheap and engines are expensive. Change your oil more often than recommended.

[@carlosgj1308]

Jeff Stone I change every 5k kilometres I spend $100 that’s it 👌🏼

[@digitaldeviation]

Oil is cheap and I don't disagree with your sentiment as a car guy. However, if a manufacturer states 5,000 between oil changes as an example that's what most non-car people are going to do. They aren't going to do it earlier because they "don't have to" and it costs them money. Couple that with the fact Honda uses 0w20 in their engines and there's a dilution problem - it's easy to see why folks are getting upset.

[@MontanaWelldigger]

@@carlosgj1308 you should not have to, Honda should recall this horrible engine.

[@carlosgj1308]

xxlxpman why not I always change the oil every 5k regardless if manufacturers says 8-10k for me oil it’s cheap and if you don’t look after your car it won’t last

[@MontanaWelldigger]

@@carlosgj1308 our last crv was an 2018, it would dilute the oil with 8 to 12 ounces of oil in approximately 2000 miles, I will not change our oil every month, especially synthetic is not that cheap.

[@Sirgromulus]

After hearing about this issue for nearly three years, this is by far the best review of the issue I have seen. You really did your homework! This is fast becoming one of my favorite KZbin vehicle review channels. You are killing it! On a side note, Consumer Reports downgraded their reliability rating of the CRV from excellent to above average. The Mazda CX-5 is the only compact SUV that now receives CR's highest rating.

[@DriversOnly]

Thank you, appreciate your support! I try to listen to my viewers and bring them what they want to hear about.

[@kenhoward3512]

Relatively-high compression combined with low-tension piston rings seems almost a guarantee of fuel leaking down into the crankcase. This technology - along with tiny, turbocharged engines - which benefits the consumer with better fuel economy and higher power, seems mostly, though, intended to help manufacturers meet increasingly strict fuel economy standards, regardless of maintenance/repair issues down the road (which will likely be described as "normal," "they all do that," or "it's within factory specs, there's nothing we can do," to the owner).

[@ProbeGT2]

low tension rings, i think you really pointed out the real issue here.

[@f181234]

ProbeGT2 low tension rings are used in pretty much every car today

[@garymills6702]

I believe most manufacturers now go for low tension rings in a bid to reduce internal friction. The result is usually high oil consumption. Looks like Honda went just a little too far and have caused fuel to enter the crankcase.

[@ProbeGT2]

i think too because they use turbocharging and direct injection on the 2 liter and it doesn't seem to have this problem so clearly the problem is not turbo related or GDI related like every supposedly mechanics are trying to tell us. My 2011 ecoboost is turbocharged and direct injected, never had any oil issue and it has 155 000km. It's just a badly engineered engine and they don't know how to fix it without opening the damn thing because it would be too expensive.

[@ProbeGT2]

the fact that it takes forever to heat up now clearly explain that rings doesn't seal properly or the engine would not heat up fast enough to make them seal properly on high idle cold start so they went the Lean way to try to prevent fuel to get in the oil.

[@jerryhuddleston738]

I have a 2018 CRV, live in Minnesota, and mostly long drives, AND oil dilution and fuel smell in the cabin is a constant problem. I’ve taken it back to the dealer twice and it’s still a problem.

[@DriversOnly]

Sorry to hear, that sucks.

[@edb3332]

I have a 2017 2WD LX with a 2.4L engine. It has had oil dilution problem from day one I bought this car as new from Honda. The problem is more serious and wider spread than Honda is thinking. By the ways, I have driven many Honda models for over 34 years. I have always been a big Honda fan.. I do have a technical background and familiar with automotive technology. I also know that the manufacturers will always downplay and ignore the facts so they don't have to spend too much on addressing such issues. The only way you can get Honda fix this issue is probably a class action. It's a lot of money for the consumer to spend on a new car then to find out they bought a piece of crap.

[@danialk8387]

In my new 2019 CRV the only thing I smell is new leather smell.

[@MontanaWelldigger]

Keep checking your oil every thousand miles yourself, I didn't think I had a problem until I heard about the issue and checked, the dealer never mentioned it when they changed the oil.

[@tomjohns5146]

Danial K=yeah right==silly sheep===!

[@texashsad]

For now, Danial K. It's not worth the worry. You spend your hard earned money to buy a brand new car, and get something that is messed up before you even drive it out of the dealership, but don't find out until you hit that 10,000 mile or more mark. That's not cool.

[@vbad128]

It manifests between 5k and 10k.

[@jaxxbrat2634]

Glad to hear they still offer real leather..

[@JeepCherokeeful]

And the journalists still call this a great engine. I can’t bring myself to purchase any Honda with this engine

[@JeepCherokeeful]

And they wouldn’t get an all expenses paid trip of Jackson Hole or wherever.

[@James-il3tq]

Especially here in Canada where we're more succeptable to oil dilution issue.

[@txivneeghmoobmeskas4930]

JeepCherokeeful I wonder who paid the journalists to said it is normal

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Meng Her free trips and vehicles used to create KZbin content

[@JeepCherokeeful]

James they halted all sales in China

[@w.justinwalls8266]

I bought a 2018 Civic EX-T (w/ the 1.5 Turbo 6 Speed) brand new, it now has over 21K Miles... as of posting this, I have not had any issues. Note I did take it in to the dealership as soon as the fix was available. Overall I'm satisfied with how Honda has handled this and plan on buying my wife a new Honda Passport this year. As an aside I think getting almost 50mpg highway is well worth a few growing pains

[@Norm475]

I know Honda has had some problems with transmissions and with their ECO mode engines. But, rating Hyundai, Mini, Dodge, Kia, and Nissan ahead of Honda is rediculous.

[@theallseeingeye9388]

U bought one recently? I had. Its shit

[@scotta9114]

I have a FIAT Abarth and a Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit. Borh have been flawless. My daily driver is a SAAB.

[@Smileydudekxy]

Ruban Raj Kumar Ganesan I have and it’s been perfect 18 accord sport

[@abtcup]

Lol...Mini is above Honda.

[@Norm475]

@@theallseeingeye9388 I had a 2007 Odyssey EXL then I bought a new EXL in 2015. Both had a few minor recalls but nothing else.

[@1800Beatdown]

Imagine being beat in reliability by Dodge! Wow😂🤣🤣

[@1119-w3u]

I have a 2009 Dodge Challenger 5.7L V8 with 289,678 miles on it exact, and I never had one issue with the car and I drive it everywhere and race it too sometimes on my local drag strip. So I mean I guess Dodge V8's aren't so bad.

[@ralliartgsxr]

111915 528518 sorry but I don’t think anyone that’s ever owned a Dodge would believe you.

[@JAM_2024]

ralliartgsxr you'll always find those type of fanboys from every car model with the same comment.

[@1119-w3u]

@@ralliartgsxr Okay that is their problem and yours, but I have the car. I have it and it still runs. I usually commute to work with it, I have to log in about freaking 45,000 miles a year with this car since 09. But when you are young and stupid, you buy cars over a home close to work. I recently got a house now closer to my job, but the car is still hanging with me just fine.

[@1119-w3u]

@@JAM_2024 Fanboy ? lol why don't you be a man and get one.

[@larrysvideoschannel3895]

Bought a 2019 crv and so far so good. Have been watching the oil level closely. I now have 10k plus miles on it and no changes on the oil level and no smell of gas. I do however get the oil changed at the Honda service dept every 5k as some experts suggest. Will give you all a update at 20k miles.

[@henryhonda8408]

You must live in a warm state.

[@RaY_77W]

What about now

[@Msknowitall007]

I’m about to go go buy a 2020 CRV shortly… think we can get an update from you?🙏🏾🙏🏾😩

[@cluelessdriversofcolumbuso2227]

Hoping for updates? Currently own a brand new 2023 civic EX 1.5t and am trying to ensure this car lasts a long time

[@davidruedeman9990]

I traded my Subaru for a Honda b/c I’ve always loved Hondas. And I wanted a CR-V.But when I found out the engine of the 2017 was turbocharged I decided to lease instead. A turbo on a SUV was a red flag for me. Later when I heard about the oil dilution problems a test I pulled out the dip sticks and smelled it to see if the rumors were true. The strong smell of gasoline almost made me throw up. Engine longevity issues can show up beyond the 6 year so-called extended warranty. And then the owner is stuck with a major repair. I am glad that I only leased this thing. Honda,the largest manufacturer of engines in the world should know better.

[@fiveowaf454]

It seems to me as well that the excess fuel will wear the bores over time allowing more fuel in to the sump. The reality is many vehicles are not going to show signs of excessive wear until after the warranty has expired. You were right to lease IMO, because anyone buying the CRV thinking they'll keep it and run it for 150k miles or so is likely to have a disappointment in addition to the fact that if problems become common, the resale is going to take a big hit.

[@fiveowaf454]

@Trigger Troll Agreed unless you can get enough extra gas in to keep the level up. Manufacturers fitting these low tension piston rings to reduce friction have me worried about the performance down the road with some miles on them compared to the reliability level we had reached where without some other design issue, engines were doing 200k with proper maintenance. I feel longevity and reliability are being sacrificed on the alter of environmental issues with out due regard to the benefits to the environment of things lasting a long time. In addition I can see these engines burning oil and causing far worse pollution combined with the need to be replaced than the mpg improvement achieved by this new technology.

[@markp6586]

Totally agree. Oil dilution started on my 18 CRV around the 9K mile mark (after the alleged Honda "fix"... I'm hearing "change your oil more frequently" but I get gas fumes in the cabin in less than 1K miles after an oil change now. There is something seriously wrong with this engine design and changing your oil more often isn't the solution. Honda needs to do something more than giving a modest warranty extension.

[@fiveowaf454]

@@markp6586 Interstingly from information I saw elsewhere, the extended warranty only covers the cylinder head of the motor, so it sounds like if the surplus gas damages the bores, main bearings, crankshaft etc. then you are on your own. If that is true, the guy read it from his extended warranty letter from Honda, then really they are giving you little to nothing. Perhaps OD might damage the camshaft bearings, but it seems the bottom end of the engine is just as vulnerable if not more so. It really irritates me that people like yourself can have such issues, while Honda plays the "they all do that"/"it's quite normal" game.

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

"Almost made me throw up" We get your point. There's no need to be so dramatic.

[@honda116969]

I have the 19 Civic SI & live in Phx Arizona I've never had an issue with mine being a drop over the line when I changed it.. I check mine 2X a week always the same place I left it when changed

[@mikeschiavoni5973]

Give it time....since its an si it may be built better, or it could be burning just the right amount of oil to appear ok.

[@honda116969]

@@mikeschiavoni5973 I don't "think" it's burning oil. & we will find out it does smell like fuel (lil bit) but from what I've been researching all cars that have direct injection are going to have a little bit of fuel in the oil. Fuck it, is what it is. 5-quart jug of oil is only like 25 bucks at Walmart I'm just going to use a Mobil 1 or K&N oil filter & change the filter every other time & change the oil when the meter says like 40 or 50%... I dunno what else 2 do

[@sweis12]

Does the si also have the 1.5 turbo engine ? I thought the si had a larger engine.

[@honda116969]

@@sweis12 1.5 turbo. Valves, blades on turbo different, Cam's & more boost...

[@ROBMACDUI]

Id also bet that as these engines wear, the oil dilution issue gets worse.

[@troyjollimore4100]

Doesn't matter. Very few people keep their new cars past five years anyway...

[@ROBMACDUI]

@@troyjollimore4100 but it will matter to the poor sucker that buys it second hand.

[@ROBMACDUI]

@@troyjollimore4100 and I'd bet that extended warranty doesnt transfer to subsequent owners.

[@troyjollimore4100]

@@ROBMACDUI Research, FTW! But it's like almost every other make/model. There's always something that's known for failing 'en masse'. Even when that only accounts for 1% of all vehicles produced.

[@troyjollimore4100]

@@ROBMACDUI The extended warranty does transfer. Which sucks for me. I bought the extended warranty for mine! LOL! ;)

[@mr2dsp]

Is it fix on 2019?. Im about to pull a trigger on 17k miles 2019 crv ex.

[@RobertAlvarez70]

I can tell you 1st hand that Honda is full of BS as my 2019 DEFINITELY has oil dilution problems I live in Georgia "not a cold place" and Im on the road constantly for my job "no short trips" and my oil is about a quarter inch over the full line, also the oil stinks of gas. When I take it to the dealership I explained it to them when I went for my oil change and they told me that they didn't smell any gas "lie" and when they tested it there wasn't any gas in the oil "lie" So I asked them how come after my last oil change my oil level was exactly at the full line and now it's registering about 20% more full than before and all I got was deer in headlights glare with no explanation so I will be sending off my own sample to have tested cause they are full of shit! Also I checked the oil levels the same way every time which was in the morning before leaving to work!

[@davidb1169]

Dealerships are not going to admit it. In fact, if you ask them if there are others with the problem, they will say no. They know there is no fix, so they sell BS just like Honda does. If you take for example my radio screen keeps beeping and going black off and on as you drive down the street. There are many others that have the same problem and its posted all over the internet. I called Honda last week. I asked her if others are having this problem. She said "No, mine was the first one she has heard about". I asked her if it was her first day on the job. Told her she was full of shit because it is all over the internet and Honda is telling the dealerships that there is nothing they are going to do until the manufacturer of the display comes up with a solution. Honda was replacing the radio heads, but now they have issued a bulletin telling the dealerships to do that. You think after a problem of 3 years, you really think anyone is working on a solution?

[@RobertAlvarez70]

@@davidb1169 that's crazy

[@jamesmedina2062]

Rob Alvarez It seems Honda dealerships main criteria is to be 1st class actors!!! This is utter bullshit! They should volunteer their own labs to test the oil for dilution instead of denying any issue. Plus the climate has little consequence on cold start-up because all vehicles go from cold to hot whether in Georgia or Maine. Again its just to save a few dollars and deny help to the majority of states in the US.

[@fiveowaf454]

What we definitely know about this problem is that it exists for a lot of owners, but equally we know neither Honda, or their dealers, are going to assist you in the slightest.

[@fzr1000981]

What was your oil test result? Most turbo engines have some oil dilution. Running a catch can and premium gas helps but you still need to change the oil more frequently

[@mikehunt6296]

I was about to pull the trigger on a 2018 CRV with the 1.5 turbo. I had watched several videos on KZbin reviewing the CRV including one by Redline Reviews. It was after watching that video That decided on the CRV with the 1.5 turbo. Then I started reading about oil dilution problems that people were complaining about on Honda forums. That was enough to change my mind. I tried a Rav4 out but didn't care for it and ended buying a 2017 off lease Toyota Camry with a naturally aspirated V6. Not being able to buy the CRV was very disappointing but the Camry is awesome and I feel as though I dogged a bullet. In closing, apparently Honda is in the process of creating their own oil to fix the problem of the oil getting past the piston rings. I wish the folks with these CRV'S luck with the hope that this will solve the issue.

[@xXriverratsXx]

Great video, I’ve been doing research for this oil problem and I’m so happy you posted this!!

[@DriversOnly]

Perfect timing :).

[@MontanaWelldigger]

In December of 2019, after our 2018 CRV EX with the 1.5 Turbo and 18,000 miles could not be fixed of its oil dilution issues, we traded it in on a 2019 Passport Touring. Honda stated they have no fix for the issue.

[@DriversOnly]

That sucks

[@kathysmith4026]

xxlxpman are you happy with the passport?

[@MontanaWelldigger]

Yes, everything but the expensive 20 inch tires, the Passport snow tires and the CRV's snow tires were 300.00 U.S. difference, both were Nokian Hakkapeliitta's. Also the Passport gets approx. 6 MPG less than the CRV. If I could have trusted Honda to have fixed the issue we would have got another CRV, we love them.

[@SG-sz5vh]

What is honda’s definition of “extreme cold”? Seems to me all of the northern usa and all of canada can experience extreme cold from december to march

[@MontanaWelldigger]

Ours had severe oil dilution in winter and summer, didn't matter.

[@ES-pr8bt]

They do it in summer as well.

[@hegeliandetective1034]

@@MontanaWelldigger How often did you change your oil though? What oil are you using? What fuel grade do you use? How many miles on the engine?

[@MontanaWelldigger]

@@hegeliandetective1034 didn't own it long enough, only changed it twice, when the computer told us. Used 87 octane gas at 5000 feet of elevation. We traded it with 18000 miles back to Honda.

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

@@MontanaWelldigger that elevation is friendly to forced induction but unfortunately will magnify the oil dilution issue

[@brattberg]

Does this problem exist on the Acura 2020 RDX advanced model? Since they are from the honda's line of luxury, im asking this question

[@mathewm6173]

Had a 2016 civic touring with the motor, never had a problem. Just bought a 2020 si a few months ago and even in my crazy north snow storms it still never has an issue.

[@shando3333]

How many miles did your 2016 have on it when you sold it? Do you take shorter trips in the winter?

[@mathewm6173]

@@shando3333 It had roughly 52k miles on it. And I drive my cars year round non stop.

[@jeffshank9513]

Worked at Honda Dealership as a tech from 1980 to 1985 when I started my own Honda Repair Business in Howard County Maryland until I retired in 2006. Honda used to produce an extremely reliable 4cyl engine. In the early 90s Accords had distributor bearings failing, and Honda was still paying for new distributor sub assemblies free at 140,000 miles. Reliability and customer satisfaction was top rate. I had always owned Honda 4cyl cars until last year when I went to splurge on my first new car in 40 years. The only CRV that did not have a turbo was their bear boned with no safety features we required. So I now find myself without a Honda for the first time in 40 years. I think Honda made a mistake leaving their non Turbo 4cyl engines. Won’t tell you what we bought, but it came down to the Toyota RAV4 and the Subaru Forester.

[@UnknownLifter]

I’m planning on buying the 2020 Civic 6-speed manual with the 2.0L (non-turbo) engine and I believe they have the K20 engine, is this a better choice?

[@lp2733]

George, thanks for posting this information. Sounds like the key component to avoiding a possible problem is to change the oil @ 3K to 4K miles, which I for one have always done. I’ve never been comfortable with 7.5K - 10K oil change intervals. I believe that is more of a marketing hipe. Bottom line, it’s cheaper to change the oil than rebuilding/replacing engines, my 10¢...

[@DriversOnly]

Yes regular oil changes 3-4k sounds like its key for any DI or TDI engines.

[@louisgiraldin3827]

drive it like it was your hard earned $$ that bought it, then change the oil and filter when oil life indicator hits 40%. the current generation CR-V is an OUTSTANDING example of why this class of vehicle sells so well.

[@leonardharview4577]

@@DriversOnly As a "former" non franchised VW TDI only sales, service and full repair entity named Wild Rose Motors, Ltd. out of Southern CA, the only real issue with diesel fuel dilution we discovered was when owner's were using higher percentages of bio diesel and such was mostly an issue with the common rail TDIs from 2009 to 2015 which were the engines that fell under the emission's cheating scandal. Engines slated for 10K oil change intervals that do not have oil dilution issues should not be subject to early oil change intervals due to the fact the anti wear additives need the extended heat/pressure cycles to effectively protect metal surfaces via molecular adhesion process because when new oil is added, the very strong detergent additives flush out these anti wear additives which now need approx. 2K - 3K miles of heat and pressure cycles to get back to max wear protection which results in approx. 7K to 8K of this max protection out of the 10K interval. If one changes oil early say, 3K to 4K, the max wear protection never reaches it's intended effectiveness.. Bottom line here is the possibility that this oil dilution issue which, IMO, is serious, these 1.5L turbo engines are subject to premature wear from both the fuel dilution as well as the early oil change practices resulting in possible much earlier engine wear compared to engines w/o oil dilution issues that adhere to the full 10K oil change intervals. Here's hoping most understand what I am presenting here.

[@patriciareynolds2729]

@@leonardharview4577 Ed, oil teck here, this doesnt make sense about oil taking 2-3k miles to react. an oil change would immediately help the diluted oil in my opinion. I believe synthetic oil can go 10k miles in optiumum hiway conditions. think, gas is solvent not lube. problem with high milage oil changes is if the filter bypass opens, there is no filter!

[@MichaelB450]

I have a 2019 Civic Hatch and the oil dilution is not terrible, but it is there sometimes. Half of the time I do smell some gas in the oil when I open the oil cap or check the dip stick, other times it just smells like oil. I can't remember if it's worse in the winter time than the summer time. One way I could see this be almost completely eliminated, is getting the block heater installed. Once it's installed, you could plug your car in for around 20 - 30 minutes (as you are getting ready to start your day) to preheat the engine, then unplug it when you're about the start the car, and head out after idling the engine for about 30 seconds. I hear that the oil dilution commonly happens on the warm up cycle, so the block heater might be a good solution to reduce it down. I also found blasting the AC causes the engine coolant to warm up faster compared to without it. But I only do that when I am getting in my car after it's been parked outside for around 7 hours in the sun. Doing that early in the morning is not exactly ideal...

[@pntdblack]

I was just thinking about getting a CRV/Civic but not after hearing this. The cheaper they make them the higher the profits. I guess that's their bottom line and to hell with quality! I got a better idea just don't buy a Honda!!!

[@hamsterama]

The whole thing can be avoided by just buying a Rav4 or a Corolla. Toyota puts so much effort to make their engines reliable, even going so far as making their engines both GDI and port injected. Honda reliability has fallen to a point that I won't even consider them. And it really hurts me to say that, because I live about 35 miles from the Marysville and East Liberty plants. I wish I could support local jobs, but I just don't want to risk mechanical issues when I can avoid the whole thing by buying a Toyota instead.

[@machold1000]

Still excellent, just change your oil more Regularly.

[@MikeMouradian]

IF dilution was normal what is the function of the dipstick?? I check my CRV oil and its always over full. Is it overfull with oil or Gas? Yes I did the recall.

[@markp6586]

Ditto! The recall "fix" didn't fix anything on my 18 CRV.

[@timbraun3716]

Having owned A 2018 CR-V I can tell you that this is a real problem. I can also tell you that the fixes don’t work. Honda has made such a huge commitment to this engine and technology that there is no turning back so they simply lie to your face and deny the problem and the dealers swear to it. Really sad actually. If you are wondering if I still own the car...I do not. I arbitrated it away. I really feel sorry for those who are current owners. Take Scottys advice and steer clear!

[@mph5896]

How do you know the fixes don't work? Was your 2018 reprogrammed and still having the problem? How do you know its still having the oil dilution problem, are you checking it and its overfill? Have you had an oil analysis post repair and its showing up as diluted with fuel?

[@jacekdzierzan7012]

@@mph5896 I had my 2018 CRV REPROGRAMMED AND OIL DILUTION PROBLEM DID NOT GO AWAY. Drove 1500 miles since last oil change and the oil level is 1/2 inch higher!!! Is this NORMAL? At the same time Honda will NOT specify/define at what point on the dip stick oil level is abnormal (excessive oil dilution). Also, Honda and Honda dealers are refusing to provide/define acceptable oil viscosity tolerance.

[@tigergreg8]

Should have bought the cheaper LX with the better 2.4 engine that proven reliable

[@ledbetter1226]

I have a 1.5T CivicHatchback with 110k miles.....still runs and drives like the day I bought it......then again I'm a big stickler on maintenance, I never go over on changing any fluid on any of my vehicles

[@jmm1817]

@@ledbetter1226 my daughter just bought the CRV 2018 turbo 1.5 she has 30 days to bring it back to CarMax what do you think and what's your advice it has 40,000 miles on it should we take a chance and keep it or return it for another vehicle maybe the 2.4 instead thank you for any answers

[@ahmadlouigenebagarra898]

I have 2020 cr-v sport,,,I can feel it now,,,every morning warm up,,,and during long park hours,,,i notice my cabin filter smells excessive gas…

[@brianpetersen3429]

Good coverage of this problem.

[@kenhoward3512]

Good - but better - coverage would include another qualified technician's opinion, in addition to Scotty Kilmer, instead of relying on a Honda rep who must take his career at Honda into consideration when answering whether the problem has been resolved.

[@hugh3rdof5]

Actually, what we have in the end is a Honda paid for attempt, a "countermeasure" to make you think the problem has gone away, or only affects a few models...... You, like the 1.7k folks who "liked" this, fell for it. (or didn't catch what was happening when the computer drone literally reads off a Honda letter from a "Chris Martin.")

[@hailthequeen]

This sums up everything you need to know about Honda oil dilution. Great work!

[@rockymountainjazzfan1822]

Here's the real description of the issue: when it comes to fuel combustion, GDI engines share some similar characteristics with diesel engines. One of those is that at low load or idle conditions in cold outside temperatures, the engine is not burning enough fuel to maintain adequate operating temperature and, because of that, will not fully combust fuel. That unburned fuel will either go out the exhaust or get pushed past the rings into the crankcase. In diesels, this is called "wet stacking" because enough unburned fuel will actually make the exhaust pipe ("stack") wet with unburned fuel. The main way that diesel engines can combat wet stacking to increase the engine RPM at idle to increase fuel consumption enough to maintain engine operating temperature. That will likely be the way that GDI engines will have to be managed to solve their wet stacking problem. To be clear, oil dilution is a direct result of wet stacking. So, any regimen that does not cure wet-stacking won't cure oil dilution. Wet stacking was seldom an issue in multi-port-injection (MPI) gasoline engines because those engines have to burn more fuel to maintain idle and will, thus, maintain operating temperature in all but the very coldest of environments.

[@hegeliandetective1034]

Great to see someone actually knows what they're talking about. So basically it's the owner's/driver's driving usage. If they very-cold start the CRV, then drive 5 minutes and stop/park it at the grocery store, while it's still cold, then shop, then come back to a very-cold start again, and drive 5 minutes to get back home, and they also don't regularly change their oil every 3,000 miles, and they beat the crap out of it, while it's still cold, and low miles on the engine, then there's oil dilution. This is common knowledge with people like you and I... however the public is not educated in this bad owner/driver behavior.

[@eric9249]

I agree with you, CNN IS indeed fake news. If Honda would explain the issue to customers - I would not take issue with this. However, they keep this from the public because obviously it would affect their sales figures. I have to call into question their ethics. Let's go back to multi-port injection!

[@waltkehler8433]

I had the update done in December of 2018 and the oil level still climbs above a 1/2" above the high level indicator. I have contacted Honda several times and their response is to contact dealer who tells me this is normal no concern. Last Honda I buy or reccomend.

[@alvinsimba734]

Toyota is the way to go...you can't go wrong with them

[@mobgma]

they did and there is 2 class action lawsuits against honda

[@leonelsantamaria2212]

Who?

[@92AkshaySharma]

where do I signup for this lawsuit? I own the same model of 2018 1.5L turbo CRV

[@ES-pr8bt]

Sralaine 007 o-007 more like boo to manufactures who refuse to acknowledge and fix a problem with their product.

[@georgewoodget271]

@@Honestandtruth007 No one is trying to get something for nothing. As Honda customers we want a quality Product not junk that wont start when its cold out side. We dont want something that when you start it all you smell is gasoline when driving the car. The 1.5 liter engine will do good to last 100,000 miles before tge Turbocharger fails. Then it will cost Thousands to repair. The customers will be forced to buy a new vehicle or repair the current CRV. Dealership staff told me after I purchased the 2.4 liter engine that I made the right decision avoiding the 1.5 liter Turbocharged CRV. Because of all the problems with the 1.5 liter engine.

[@fiveowaf454]

@@Honestandtruth007 How is it free money if yo spent a small fortune on a new car that turned out to have a serious design fault which the manufacturer is not prepared to rectify?

[@jorgejuarez2956]

thanks for the video, I am having this issue with a CRV 2017 and the main problem is that on the country that I live dealers dont care about this issue, I am wondering what can I do for them to take a look of my problem without me paying for it?

[@totalchips6547]

There are still some complains at the nhtsa on the 2019 model. I also heard from Scotty, Honda is coming up with a new oil grade for this kind of motor. We will see if they really fix this problem.

[@ShadyOC714]

I have a 2019 CRV EXL 45,000 miles and have not had this issue. They did extend the power train warranty for the 1.5.

[@markp6586]

My 2018 Crv continues to have oil dilution even after the fix from Honda. Gas fumes in the cabin. Have zero confidence in the long term durability of this engine and will be getting rid of it. I’m done with Honda ...after owning 8 other Hondas. Not the same quality anymore....so sad!

[@normt5463]

"In a memo sent to dealers, Honda’s manager of auto campaigns and recalls, Brad Ortloff, said oil in these engines could be diluted because of software settings or potential hardware failures. Some vehicles could experience “lack of power,” leading to cylinder misfires or engine noise." Consumer Reports "But if the vehicles are stalling, as some owners have reported, this is a safety issue and Honda should conduct an official recall, which doesn’t expire.” Consumer Reports

[@DriversOnly]

Sorry to hear that.

[@WiliiamNoTell]

I've had my Honda Civic for 2 years with the 1.5. Never any problems that they're talking about in this video. However, It does seem to take a bit longer to warm up in the winter. I live in Chicago. My wife has a Ford. Escape same year the heat comes on much quicker. Other than that I've had no problems with this car and I'm glad I bought it. I do change my oil regularly. Around 5 thousand miles I most definitely will pay attention to the oil levels. Thanks for sharing the video.

[@noki448]

I have no problem with my 2019 1.5 civic.. i change oil on 15.000 km.... no oil over dipstick... i have now 32.000km.. no problem at all...

[@1VaDude]

I have a 2018 Accord EX 1.5L -- 26,000 miles with zero issues. I change my oil every 4,500 miles & use full synthetic Mobil-1.......hoping to stave off any issues.

[@ericmurray238]

Still have the car? I just bought one today

[@1VaDude]

​@ericmurray238 -- My stepdaughter has it now. Just over 60,000 miles on it. She is a senior in college and lives in Virginia. She has the oil & filter changed every 5,000 miles. I last saw the car when I was back home in the US last October. ( My wife and I live overseas. ) My son has a 2013 Accord with 180,000 miles and it is chugging along nicely. It has the 2.4L non-turbo engine. My mother-in-law has a 2017 CR-V (same 1.5L engine as the '18 Accord) with 55,000 miles and no issues. Keeping our fingers crossed! My wife and I drive a 2021 Mazda CX-30 over here and really like it (we brought it with us to Germany). Mazda certainly has upped their game!

[@ericmurray238]

Thanks for the response. So you're saying that the 2018 accord is still going good with no issues and the same with the crv, no issues? Fingers crossed that I got a good one. Thank you for messaging me back, much appreciated ​@@1VaDude

[@2010ngojo]

The lower cabin heat is probably the reflashed ecu to get the engine oil up to temp sooner, which means less oil dilution. If you use the heater, it will take longer for the car engine to warm up.

[@jackieliner3812]

My son has a 2018 Honda Fit that he purchased new with the same engine, I just did a oil change and the oil smells like it has a lot of gas in it, why isn’t this engine ( car) included in this article?

[@tails300]

That engine is not turbocharged.

[@f181234]

Knuckles300 this an issue with the direct injection system turbocharger is not affected

[@tails300]

f181234 well they better fix that shit fast before they’re reputation ends up like Nissan.

[@bebe0928]

Small turbo is bad, Honda's 1.5T is the worst. That's why Toyota doesn't use small turbo.

[@Fadic4]

They have small turbos in other markets.

[@jamesmedina2062]

Agostino Matteucci You are pretty much right. It's all in the interest of simplification and profits. Each car or SUV deserves it own motor. Less turbo motors is Toyota's route.

[@f181234]

Agostino Matteucci CRV is 3450 pounds it’s not really that heavy

[@chadrussell8282]

My wife has a 2017 CR-V with the 1.5 Turbo. It currently has around 58,000 miles on it. I change the oil myself every 5,000 miles and have never noticed it being over full or any hint of gas smell on the dipstick. With that being said, I do not think it will be a long term vehicle for us because of all the complaints that I have heard and read about. She loves it though and it gets great gas mileage! She averages around 31.2 mpg. We are located in Southwest Tennessee where it normally doesn't get that cold.

[@tricktrack6670]

It is still a problem, I smell my oil at 1700 miles of use and it smells like 2 stroke engine gas-oil mixture. SOS. I complete wish i did not buy this car. I'm more frustrated that Honda just blows this off like its nothing.

[@shocksemler8145]

@ Steven Will You are not alone. Same problem here.

[@Stocktonskies]

I have a 2016 civic 1.5l bought it April 2021 with 43,000 now over a year later I was doing an oil change and my oil smelled heavy with gas and was black and very thin with 2500 on the oil I found the pvc valve isn’t working so I’m in the process of replacing it but couldn’t find any except one on eBay for $55 will update when I get it

[@johnsilver7150]

Most people just rely on OLD REPUTATION of Honda. Those days are GONE

[@MrRohanThomas]

^^^

[@RJ-cc3lj]

Totally agree.

[@robertkeller9574]

Sad but true! My 2000 Honda accord rocked, I've heard many horror stories of accord's lately! I'm now a Mazda guy, excellent quality and reliability!

[@johnh8546]

It's a little sad but it really depends on the car/engine the 1.5 is pretty bad but they make other great engines still and their 5 speed auto is fine after about 06.

[@jensjorgensen6734]

I have a 2020 CRV Touring. it has 5500 miles on it and it is having excessive gas in the oil and at idle gas fumes in the cabin, also not living in cold climate. trying to get dealer to take car back.

[@Brutemandave]

Yes I have family who bought a 2019 crv with 2 litre turbo and it puts excessive gas on oil. The fix didn't make a difference.

[@Fadic4]

1.5 liter turbo.

[@allentumminello2343]

Fadic4 not a 2 liter, it’s a 1.5 liter. Big difference

[@Fadic4]

Allen Tumminello you’re replying to the wrong person

[@allentumminello2343]

Fadic4 I apologize . Have a great day. Go tigers

[@richardli5530]

My 2019 leased Honda CRV with 1.5L turbo is also showing oil diluation. Strong smell of gas when chekinf the dip stick. So problem on 2019 CRV too. Good that it is a lease.

[@ES-pr8bt]

It has nothing to do with cold weather because people in warm climates are having the issue as well. They are lying when they say otherwise. People in California and Texas are having the problem as well. And their software fix did nothing. Honda have taken a major hit to their reputation with the way they’ve handled all this. We love our CRV other than this issue, but because of it will be only keeping it for three years or so. This will be our last Honda

[@mikeschiavoni5973]

Mazda cx5. 2.5, non turbo. Good engine, very durable. Mazda steering is always good. I think all turbos lifespan is sub 130k miles. Mazda, honda, toyota, porche, bmw, mercedes, doesnt matter. Your engine is eating itself to make power.

[@ohcanadaeh]

In the attempt to make gain in fuel efficiency, auto manufacturers switch to smaller displacement turbo engine coupled with CVT. Turbocharged engine together with CVT shorten the life of the car. The question is would you want to have a marginal increase in fuel economy which in most case can not be achieved in real life driving ? or having a more reliable car in the long term ?

[@mikeschiavoni5973]

@@ohcanadaeh in other words buy a mazda if you want a good japenese car.

[@0228mustang]

My daughter has a 2018 CRV in Houston Tx and we just did a 2nd Blackstone Labs test on the 25,000 mile oil change (5500 miles on that oil). Fuel in oil is 3.8% and value should be

[@robertkeller9574]

I was a Honda guy.... Now I'm sold on Mazda's!!! Owned a Mazda 323 that ran forever, purchased a Mazda 3, not as superior as my original Mazda but she still gets the job done!

[@craig162]

I have a 2018 CRV 14k miles on it and no problems.

[@kingbronbron]

Craig Pomeroy it’s a 2 year old car. Those engines won’t last long

[@craig162]

@@kingbronbron Let's talk about it in five years. Honda is not going to let this hurt there reputation.

[@jamoney45]

I don't know about that consumer reports article, it has Porche #4, Dodge #8 and mini #10! I just can't believe that!!!

[@marianosagastegui]

I've owned a 2017 civic 1.5 turbocharged. Oil dilution started at 25k miles,went to the dealership and they change the oil and said "it check out" .."it's normal". I had to change the oil myself and realized the oil came out like water with extreme gasoline smell. Went to the dealer again and no solution. Sold the vehicle with 39k ...the extended warranty it's a joke. Now a Mazda miata it's my fun ride..still I miss that Honda.

[@marianosagastegui]

Bye bye Honda after 3 Hondas I'm done. Hi Mazda!

[@jojojeep1]

You’re really think Honda’s going to fast up

[@viffer94]

How many of these people asking about Honda oil dilution actually own Hondas and are experiencing oil dilution? I've got a 2017 turbo and in three years have had no oil dilution issues. None.

[@P51]

2017 Si ZERO issues as well

[@seansteryu7398]

I have it. I also had 1.5T Civic Si and 2.0 Type R. Only 2019 CRV has oil dilution

[@mihailcv]

Same

[@jamespn]

I have a 2017 CRV and after 2 annual oil changes, I’ve not seen any rise in the dipstick level or any smell of fuel in the oil. I think people are confusing fast flowing low viscosity oil with fuel dilution but I live in Houston where we don’t have extreme cold.

[@seansteryu7398]

@@jamespn how do you explain the gasoline smell that's more overwhelming than 2.0T in my Type R?

[@Phrancis5]

My 2017 CRV still doesn't exhibit any OD issues.

[@Yomero011]

would not buy one unless the engine gets redesigned period.

[@fiveowaf454]

It's the reason I didn't buy one, but even if they replace the engine with a new one, unless it's a tried and tested one from another Honda model, I wouldn't buy one until it had been out for two years to be certain there are no problems.

[@Yomero011]

@@fiveowaf454 true.

[@mph5896]

We bought a 19, September build CRV with the 1.5l. Not worried about the oil dilution issue. Honda said its fixed, hopefully it is. If not I am confident they will stand behind it. Great car BTW.

[@fiveowaf454]

@@mph5896 With all respect I don't know how you can make this statement. Firstly where have Honda ever said it has been fixed? to my knowledge they have only said it is normal for this engine. Secondly, because they have said it is "normal" and based on people's documented experiences, they do not stand behind the issue or repair vehicles "because it is normal". Good luck with your CRV, but to say you are wearing "rose tinted spectacles" is an understatement.

[@mph5896]

@@fiveowaf454 "The company says engines in 2019 CR-Vs will be repaired before they go on the market." www.consumerreports.org/car-repair-maintenance/honda-delays-cr-v-turbo-engine-fix-details-rollout-plans/ This is from Oct 18, The model purchased was manufactured in Sept 19. So, yes I have confidence it is a NON issue. If you feel differently, feel free to NOT buy one.

[@noroar3258]

even the dipstick on my 2016 DI 2.4 L crv reeks of gas but the level read just a half centimeter over the full line when I brought it in for oil change in late december .I was going to buy-out my lease when it expired in a few months but dont feel like worrying about dirty valves or getting my oil analyzed over and over again in future . Will likely lease an HRV that has multi port injection and suits my budget better anyways

[@mugennsxrr]

as a mechanic lol i laugh at anybody who ranks a korean manufacturer above honda and toyota. lexus destroys everyone when it comes to reliability overall.

[@ram89572]

Right.....and in a few more years when you see one of the hondas with this engine every other day needing a replacement, I wonder if you'll still be laughing. All it takes is 1 serious fuckup and not making said fuckup right to ruin a company. And this is q serious design flaw with this engine no matter what Honda claims. You don't need to be a mechanic or an engineer to see that if you just apply some basic logic to the situation. Of course if you want to willingly drink the bullshit your favorite corporation spouts then go ahead I wont try to stop you

[@tracy2762]

I had the 2019 civic sport hatch 1.5 turbo..loved it..changed oil every 4000 miles .and the car heated up within a couple minutes. i did trade it in around 23000 due to the uncertainty of the oil dilution issue...

[@seansteryu7398]

I have 2019 1.5T. When I changed the oil, it smells like gasoline. But dealership and Honda kept telling me this issue has been resolved.

[@henryhonda8408]

They are told to say that to customers................ OR ELSE!!!! (you're fired) lol

[@johnnash297]

I always tell them I'll pull out in time.

[@thespig13]

I got a 2019 honda civic lx.. which is the non turbo 2.0l... love that car, but i purposely made sure not to get a turbocharged version cuase i knew there was going to be problems

[@lukek1949]

Thespig, I think that's what I would've done too. Simple is sometimes the best.

[@walllace78]

I did same thing bought a 2019 lx so glad I did we both made the right decision

[@thespig13]

Funny that when i was looking at civics, the salesman looked at me funny when i said i didn't want a turbocharged version, i simply said it's more things to go wrong, he just kinda rubbed what i thought off but who's the one laughing now

[@mdw1000]

The hybrid does not have direct injection.

[@bstevens9831]

Good point. I was thinking the same. Atkinson cycle I believe with same electric motors as the Accord. My only reservation is a car that mixes two system ( gas + electric ) has more points of failure which concerns me.

[@mdw1000]

B Stevens true, there is that potential. But I think in general an electric motor is more reliable than a turbocharged engine. And some hybrids have very good reputations for reliability. But I get your point - if something does go wrong, it could be expensive.

[@machold1000]

I drive a 2015 CRV Touring AWD. If I use Econ mode, does it disengage the turbo injection?

[@on-site4094]

This video just drives up sales. For Toyota and Lexus

[@davidb1169]

Unless you are one who is having the issue and Honda has no solution. There is 4 things wrong with my 2018 Honda CR-V right now, even as today. Guess how many can be fixed none. Honda has no idea what to do about any of them. I have had 6 Hondas and this is the last one. I am thinking about taking a $10,000 dollar loss and getting a new Toyota. Oh by the way, been an issue since day one and I have 15,000 miles on it. So Rebelo, I hope it does increase sales for Toyota. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@davidb1169]

If you are thinking about a Honda, RUN........they are a piece of crap now days.

[@on-site4094]

David B I feel for u especially when vehicles are so expensive today good luck on your next purchase but I sill prefer the vehicles made in Japan I think the quality is much higher I always buy used vehicles that’s just my opinion

[@davidb1169]

@@on-site4094 I agree with you. All Honda's used to be made in Japan. Even the ones that were made in the U.S were using made in Japan motors and trans. But now, they are even made and assembled in Mexico. I had a small Honda Fit before this and had zero issues with it besides the recall on the airbag. Guess where it was made and built.......Japan.

[@seikocitizenwatches]

o Rebelo - I only buy TOYOTA and LEXUS. My Toyota Sienna is 291K miles still runs flawlessly like new. Toyota vehicles can tolerate delayed maintenance better than all other brands. My last oil change for the Sienna was 8K miles ago and it still looks fairly clear. Not just engine and transmission but everything else of a Toyota is better like fuel pump, suspension, paint, iced cold AC, electric windows are still original after 15 years and 291k miles later. I have had Corolla, Camry, Highlander, Avalon, Supra, Lexus IS. All same stories.

[@belairmulti-services6074]

Very good review i bought the 2020 canadien sport édition september 2020 and went through heavy cold winter in Québec with zéro interior heating problem love the products !

[@revnto7k]

Still not interested in the risk associated with these engines. I wish companies would just stick with NA port or port and direct injected engines.

[@troyjollimore4100]

Tell that to the government, and their mandates for super-high mileage and super-low emissions. The 'old' technologies just couldn't do it. I'm also old enough to remember the same complaints about another new technology... "I wish companies would just stick with carbureted engines and points and rotor ignitions."

[@fzr1000981]

they are all going to smaller displacement turbo for improved fuel economy

[@bstevens9831]

Better fuel economy is mandated by the government's CAFE rules

[@revnto7k]

@@bstevens9831 Definitely and I understand. But companies (Toyota) seem to be making old school engines still with no turbos, and if they use Direct Injection, they also add Port Injection to make sure your valves stay clean. That is the smart way to do it.. If a consumer is going to buy a product again, it better be good in the first place. Toyota seems to be the only one that understands this anymore.

[@bstevens9831]

@@revnto7k I've been looking at the Mazda CX5 and others offering a non-turbo engine. Port injection is a plus, for the reason you mentioned( cleaner valves ). Running these turbos with full synthetic might mitigate the dilution issue but doesn't help clean the values. Thanks for the reply.

[@paulbonaventura4969]

Why did cars go to GDI? I thought fuel injectors were always injecting?

[@mbehning1]

I have the oil dilution problem in a 2017 crv. I have had the high pressure fuel pump replaced and the recall preformed. After this work I tested the oil and oil levels where still higher then normal levels. They didn't fix the issue and the idle is rough, the car takes forever to heat up even when the temperature was well above freezing. I'm talkin temperature 40 50 60 and it still took forever to heat up. Thank goodness I have a lease. I'm going to drop my 2017 CR-V off in dec and never by another Honda. The car has other issues as well to point out. It was poorly built. There's a musty smell then I cannot get rid of coming from the vents. The body paneling on the doors rattle at higher speeds. The hood of the car shakes on the freeway because air is getting underneath. The dash has warped in the center parts of it are becoming unglued. The infotainment system will stop working at least once a week. The driver's safety system Lane assist in adaptive cruise control will stop working while I'm driving and I don't even have it on. Don't buy a Honda.

[@deloreanman14]

A friend of mine has a 2017 Civic Si with less than 30,000 miles on it and within a few weeks of changing the oil, it smells like 2-stroke premix. Honda has refused to do anything about it and it feels to me like they're just trying to get the cars out of the warranty period so they don't have to worry about it. I almost considered one of these Civics...so glad I didn't.

[@maxsmoothred]

2019 accord sport 2.0T here. I haven’t noticed any problem with oil dilution. Is it just the 1.5T ?

[@kurtfischback8453]

Jeff Pyle That’s a good question. You could probably research the difference in those two engines and find out if they are fuel injected in the same manner. I have a coworker who had a huge problem with their 2017 CRV and they had to take Honda to court. Honda bought the car back.

[@theshowtime2375]

No problem because you have a 2019. Not even a year old wait in a couple of years.

[@maxsmoothred]

I think I’ll take consumer reports ranking with a grain of salt. I mean seriously, they ranked Dodge higher than Honda? 🤪🤣🤣

[@kenhoward3512]

​@@maxsmoothred Their rankings are based on owner surveys. Honda has been going downhill for years, now. There's a good reason why Toyota, guarding its sterling reputation for long-term reliability, has been reluctant to incorporate direct injection (they use a combination of direct- and port-injection) and turbocharged engines.

[@brianbfree2328]

As long as you don't have a 1.5 T Accord (LX,Sport, EX) you should be ok I guess.

[@idnez2302]

So I'm thinking about buying a crv exl 2019 in the Caribbean so I should not have any problem with oil dilution since oil dilution happen when there are low temperatures and in the Caribbean is always hot.. Please Leave you opinion:

[@kendarcie6613]

So let me get this straight, the dipstick has always been there to provide information about whether your oil is too high or too low, both of which are not good for your car. But if you have fuel in your oil and the oil level it reads too high that is okay? Then how do you determine when the oil level is too high versus the oil and fuel level is too high?

[@drew7765]

2018 Honda Accord sport (1.5 6 speed) problems here. Multiple check engine lights (misfires) and eventually the engine stalled out. Honda replaced the entire fuel management system and cylinder head on my Accord under warranty since they weren't sure what the exact issue was. I'm only at 25K miles!! I do live in NY, but I do 90% highway driving. Not sure how long I'll keep this car. I love it and get incredible fuel economy, but I wont replace a fuel system or cylinder head on my own dime.

[@ronfazer2423]

Wow, thats bad. Trade it in as soon as possible. (you never know how good there major repairs will last)

[@linod8362]

My Ford with GDI does not have this problem.

[@XaR1902]

Had my 2019 CR-V at 846 miles break down due to the oil dilution problem causing no acceleration when pushing the gas pedal down, brought it in and the dealer did an oil change which was a temp fix, but now at 1190 miles in and about 2 months after the first oil change i'm having problems again. Bring it back for another check up this monday which will probably be just another oil change.

[@Blindsyde5762]

Should have just stuck with their trusted V-TECH.

[@EgHatchK24a2]

VTEC*

[@callmedd3494]

I'm waiting on the hybrid CRV. I assume based on this information, this motor should not have excessive oil dilution since it's not a turbo gdi?

[@yiyangcheng]

I’m pretty sure the Accord has the same engine not just the civics and CR-Vs

[@DeathStrike-jk8gt]

They do have an earth dreams engine they fixed the problem on 2013-2017 accords. Not sure about the new 1.5t though. I have a 2014 accord with the 2.4 earth dreams and i never had the oil smell of gasoline. I make my own maintenence on my car and i live in a cold climate. I mostly just burn off the oil than having dillute gasoline.

[@m.m1048]

I found another issue in 10 gen civics. The corner of rear tail lights is to close to the body and by vibration it destroys the paint specially at summer.