Is Oil Dilution Still a Problem for Honda CR-V & Civic? | Exploring the Issue & Debunking the Myths

[@mikenone4077]

Why can't we just go back to regular fuel injection? just to save 1-2 mpg is ridiculous. You will spend more on repairs then you save on gas.

[@Believe231]

@Jeff Sol I agree, my '99 Camry is one of those sweet spot vehicles. It was like winning the lottery when I found it with low miles! It's been 7 years now since I bought it and I've just hit 123K miles on it! It's my only vehicle and I drive it everywhere, even though it's now 21 years old!

[@valdius85]

@Jeff Sol There are engines with both port & direct injection on the market. Still I want to avoid DI and CVT.

[@SCraig-Handsome]

You would need to bring back carburetors and they would fail emissions tests. We eliminated them in the 80’s, also the mechanical ones were replaced by electronic ones. Basically we still use electronic but they are more efficient now. They are also easier to maintain. I had a fuel injection problem with every car except Honda, the carbon buildup is no longer an issue due to VTEC and GDI. It actually has to do with the tumble flow and valve angle. Basically the valve is still down when the gas mist flows through the chamber so there is still some valve cleaning that is being done. At the end of the day though it’s really the driver that determines carbon buildup or really anything related to car longevity

[@valdius85]

@@SCraig-Handsome Some VW mechanics says that it is possible to slow down carbon buildup but not eliminate it in VAG engines. Toyota has a D4-S, both port and DI. I do not think there is any valid excuse for carbon buildup from car manufacturers. The dilution in Honda is caused by low friction (loos) piston rings. Again, reliability taking a hit for decent numbers on the brochures.

[@SCraig-Handsome]

Waldemar Ishibashi had Toyota’s for 20 years, switched to Honda and no repairs since, had 2 Siennas with fuel injection problems around 110,000. Always had to get injection service with them, very reliable overall but not as reliable as Honda. Service is a lot more expensive, same with Hyundai, no repair issues so far but higher maintenance than Honda or Toyota. Honda is just better at building engines and Toyota is higher risk due to innovation. Honda will wait to do more research before putting new stuff into the hands of consumers. VW I have never owned one but really hard to find now due to emissions problems

[@parkland4530]

As a owner of a 2018 Honda CRV in a cold climate and having all the updates done including the last which involves an interior warmer, further programing changes, a circulating coolant heater of sorts and some kind of change to coolant flow I do feel that the cabin heat and oil dilution issues are improved. Not fixed but improved. Though ambient temperatures in my part of the world have not been severely cold my oil level runs about 1/8" above full which is no where near the 5/8" it was at the beginning. Now with the use of the interior warmer on cold start I turn the heater fan and the temperature setting on low. The warmer, heated seats and wheel has made the cab bearable and possibly due to the other changes, the engine warms up much quicker especially when it does not have to heat the heater core as well. As soon as the indicator is solidly in the gauge I turn up the temperature and put it on auto. Yes I will pay a bit more on my power bill but it is more comfortable. You refer to short trips being a factor but realize that it has to run for a long period after it reaches temperature to vaporize any gas in the crank case. In my experience 10 mile trips is not enough and long road trips have not lowered the high oil level much. Not happy about having to change the oil more often to extend engine life. Just thought I would share. No more Hondas for me.

[@clarencewhite6053]

i cant blame you ...if thats the case thank god i dont have any issues with my crv...not yet anyway but, i use my remote start to give the engine time to warm up. Any issues crop up like that on mine.....i am TRADING IT PERIOD, I WONT TAKE CHANCES.

[@karlschauff7989]

That much fuel going into the engine oil is still a serious issue. Diluting the oil with gasoline, which is not a good lubricant, will cause accelerated wear or damage to the bearings, cam journals, and other components inside the engine. That unburned fuel is also washing oil off the cylinder walls, causing accelerated wear of the cylinder bores, piston rings, piston skirts, etc. The engine will begin to burn excessive oil as the wear worsens. The worst part is that if the engine already has an issue with excessive oil dilution, that unburned fuel in the oil will mask an oil consumption problem because the oil level on the dipstick won't appear to be moving. You might even think the oil dilution issue was "fixed" by Honda or just went away on its own. However, if you were to send that oil to a lab that does used oil analysis, it will come back as having an excessively high amount of fuel in the oil --- your engine burned 3 quarts of oil in 5,000 miles, but the engine dumped 3 quarts of unburned fuel into the oil so the level on the dipstick never changed. Your engine would have ran on a 50-50 oil/gasoline mixture.... yikes.

[@paul_iFomo]

I know a CR-V owner who told me that the fix was ECU programming to direct the heat to the engine instead of cabin that makes the inside of the car stay cold until engine warms up, and extension of the warranty 1 year, which is ridiculous in my opinion. In fact China told Honda to stop selling cars with this engine until issue is completely resolved, something that will never happen here, because of business interests and lobbying.

[@Lucky8s]

The engine is supposed to restrict coolant flow when it's cold so that it can reach operating temperatures faster. It's normal.

[@clarencewhite6053]

yea chinas laws and hondas are different because they have different engines. Yea, china knows how to eat their young but they dont no deffective cars on their roads. chop chop.

[@Lucky8s]

@@clarencewhite6053 I'm going to give you an opportunity to rethink your comment.

[@marklynch3149]

I think China has got a nerve.. Every machine they build falls to pieces 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@dominicfischio851]

it is NOT normal. just cuz honda says it does not make it true. no car i’ve ever had has had any ool dilution. zero.

[@mikepayne3154]

Nice that you covered a subject most hosts would shy away from. A plus in your rating.

[@CarConfections]

Thank you! It's certainly controversial!

[@ozarklife9996]

Saying the engine oil level will rise past the full mark is normal is nuts.....

[@TheCompyshop]

Ozark Life Not really, I’ve seen it across many brands. I work in a shop

[@barryeason749]

So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.

[@Flagrum3]

You should listen a little closer as he never stated that. What he said is that oil dilution is normal for any engine and that is a fact. What I'll add is that with a normal engine it is very, very slight to almost negligible. So not even noticeable.

[@justinweaver7553]

@@TheCompyshop not really, I have a shop and most vehicles are the opposite, I did see this on several CR-V but in cold climate, Honda has a problem here. I know of a guy who had his bought back, at first Honda had him come in every 2 weeks for oil change and when they came up with the first "fix" it would still be an inch above the full mark in 2 weeks, stalled out, lemon buy back. But "normal" sure

[@noroar3258]

whats disturbing to me is the amount of youtubers with the 1.5 crv that have fairly long commutes to work (20 miles each way) or who go on a long road trip that still report high levels above the full line . So that theory kinda goes out the window

[@asdfghjqwertyu1858]

I bought the 2020 Civic with the 2L, since it is not only the engine that does not mix oil and gas, but this K-series VTEC engine is a multi-point (port injected) engine. I do not have to worry about carbon buildup like on the 1.5 turbo. For anyone deciding on a new Civic, I personally think you should still avoid the 1.5 if you are expecting typical honda reliability and go to competitors like the Corolla or Mazda 3, but the 2L is probably one of the most reliable new cars you can buy.

[@ozarklife9996]

07 civic coupe with the 1.8 liter. 215000 mile going strong. No cracked engine block yet. Put a bmw float switch in the coolant reservoir to an indicator light in dash just to keep a lookout for slow leaks.

[@PLATINUM2U]

That's pretty reasonable

[@CJ-ce7xq]

Honda The Power Of Dreams im pretty sure the 2L engine is direct injected as well

[@asdfghjqwertyu1858]

@@CJ-ce7xq No, Honda's website says the 2L engine is Multi point.

[@MichaelCzajka]

The trouble with fuel dilution is that it breaks down the lubricating film that separates the metal parts... making it more likely that you'll see scoring up and down the bores. Even small amounts of fuel in the oil seem to result in scoring of the bores as it's a common problem in many different direct injected vehicles... as they age. 😞

[@ozarklife9996]

Checked my nephew's 16 civic. As soon as I popped the hood i could smell the gas. It was over half inch overfilled. It was very thin black runny oil. I advised him to changed the oil immediately. He told me the maintenance minder was only at 60%......... I closed the hood and went inside.... The exact fix for these cars has still hasn't been explained. Honda tells there customer to live it nothing more be done. People really don't understand cars and will probably drive it till it conks out on the highway. Let's see how all this plays out over time. I'll stick with port injection non turbo engine vehicles for now.

[@andybub45]

Maintinance minder is fake. Planned obsolescence.

[@RJ-vb7gh]

I've been driving and working on cars for a very long time and oil dilution isn't normal.... period - full stop. And just saying it is, doesn't make it so! And I'm getting really tired of companies fixing mechanical problems by simply re-defining the word "normal". Like a friend that just had his head gaskets replaced on his Subaru... and strangely enough he told me it was "normal" for Subarus to need head gasket replacement... NO! Blowing head gaskets are NOT normal! Oil dilution is NOT normal! It's due to poor design, cheap parts or poor build quality. If you are going to take your customer's hard earned money engines that run right and transmissions that shift right should be the only thing normal about them for at least the first hundred to two hundred thousand miles...

[@shocksemler8145]

@RJ THANK YOU!!!! Well said. I need you to go to the dealership with me so you can tell them this!! I’m so tired of hearing that the excessive oil dilution is normal.

[@RJ-vb7gh]

@@shocksemler8145 Sadly, I doubt that your dealer can fix the problem, which seems to be inherent in the design... so when they say it's normal, they mean normal for that particular model.. Very likely, all you can do is to sell that headache to some unsuspecting fool and get yourself a car that's designed and built right. It's unfair and unjust, but when you buy a lemon you usually lose. That's the way it's always been. My rule with loser cars is to get out from under them before they eat you. Bad usually becomes worse over time. Best luck.

[@clarencewhite6053]

I AGREE...I CANT ARGUE WITH THAT.

[@shocksemler8145]

@ RJ Thank you. You are right.

[@joemarchand8313]

@R J: Speaking of potential lemons, I have a 2014 Nissan Altima, original owner, 35k miles. I baby it. I’m sure you’re aware of the CVT issues in these cars, so I’m wondering your thoughts, as to whether I should keep it or sell it. It runs great, no issues with the transmission or anything else mechanically to date. Maintenance is up to date.

[@ontarioobserver1287]

I live in Ontario Canada and have a 17 CRV 1.5 litre...The fix corrected the problem and I have no issues....I presently have 62000 kms on the car.

[@jackcycling4403]

Well, I own a 2018 CR-V with this 1.5 L engine. It has 44000 km on it and I never had any problem with it, It kept 7L / 100 Km since I bought it . Very happy with it.

[@ham3749]

I was watching another video about the oil dilution, and they were saying the ones with problems are the people who are running the engine cold, and driving a mile or two then shutting the engine off on a regular basis. If you are driving and warming up the engine, especially in cold weather, they haven't had any issues.

[@DarrenX9]

Problems with engine longevity aren't going to show up after 44,000km.

[@jackcycling4403]

@@DarrenX9 What I meant is that I never had any problems with gas being in my oil. No scent of gas or high oil level.

[@thomasejore1714]

@@ham3749 am from Kenya,East Africa and I am planning to buy the 2017 honda crv with the 1.5l vtec turbo engine. I live in a hot area with an average temperature of 40 degrees Celsius and it barely rains.So would I be safe if I buy a 2016 or 2017 honda crv with a 1.5l turbo engine?

[@vincentrolfe1384]

When listening to this review I started to grin when I heard, "well, the gasoline gets stuck between the piston and the cylinder wall". Sounds very high tech explanation. My 2.7L Diesel turbo has no oil dilution with 10K miles change intervals. With the high compression of this little 1.5L motor, the direct injection, the turbo engaging and some cold temperatures if you buy the Honda at this time you will be in a world of hurt within 5 years. Some drivers like acceleration and the turbo coming in really does the motor no good. I have instructed my daughter to buy the Rav4 with 2.5L and Toyota's combination of port and direct injection with a lower compression and no turbo business. The daughter has a heavy foot on the gas pedal so the Rav4 with 8 speed automatic vs. the Honda CV transmission was the way to go. The Rav4 will get a little better gas mileage than the Honda and probably last way beyond 200K miles. I suggest trading your 1.5L turbo Honda for a different brand at your earliest opportunity. Just face it: the Honda 1.5L turbo motor is a disaster and there is no way out of it so do the trade. There are a few 2.7L Diesel turbo vehicles around Chicago that have 500K miles and one man has 800K miles on his and he buys tires same place as I.

[@drew7765]

The Accord is impacted too. My 2018 Accord Sport 1.5 6 speed just had the entire fuel management system and cylinder head replaced after multiple check engine lights and stalling issues. Honda didn't say it was oil dilution, but all the symptoms point to that and carbon build up. I'm only at 25k miles! I love my car, but I won't put $6k of repairs in this car when it's out of warranty. Also I drive 80 miles a day of highway round trip each day for work. I rarely do short drives.

[@PLATINUM2U]

That's terrible. Although I despise the 10th gens exterior and engine choices I'd have to say the J series V6 is the most reliable engine Honda ever put on the Accord

[@HydraliskX]

How do you only have 25k miles on it while driving 80 miles a day since 2018?

[@lkae4]

HydraliskX If he bought it mid or late 2018, 25k would be about right.

[@drew7765]

@@HydraliskX I bought it used, not a new purchase, sorry should have clarified that.

[@bstevens9831]

@@HydraliskX He could have purchased his 2018 Accord is say December 2018 and some dealers would have 2018 models until Jan/Feb 2019. So it's possible his elapsed time with the car is 1 year. The math supports him if he works 5 days a week and has weekends off ( 5 days x 80 miles per days = 400 miles a week. 400 miles a week times 52 weeks in a year is 20,800 miles in one year )

[@DCPEvo]

Sadly this takes what used to be a great manufacturer out of consideration. Until a mechanical redesign is put in place, it’s not fixed. All too often manufactures resort to a ‘remap’ as the solution. Excessive fuel making it past piston rings is beyond that. We are in an interesting period where many have been caught out by direct injection. We’re seeing the migration to port and direct which hopefully will take care of the majority of the carbon issues.

[@patm95]

I agree. Honda quality has gone down in recent years. I say that as a long time Honda owner. Pretty sure I am switching to Toyota or Lexus next time around.

[@charleshendricks171]

I own a 2018 CRV that had the oil dilution problem. The problem was very real. Based on dipstick measurements ie the distance between full and 1 quart low, my car was 2.5 quarts over filled. This was with 40% of oil life left. The engine only holds a little over 3 quarts when full. My oil was almost 50% gasoline! I have photos to prove it. Honda updated the computer in January 2019 and it seemed it

[@ddjjss]

I’m really disappointed, I was planning to buy a new CRV very soon. Not anymore, guess I’ll buy the Toyota RAV4.

[@jacekdzierzan7012]

Same thing here. I have 2018 CRV _EXL had it at the dealer 3 times for oil dilution,. They said "it is normal" , however they agree to change oil at no cost to me (think about it - sounds suspicion?). They also changed the software, but the problem is still the same. Dealer, neither Honda can't define the abnormal oil level. They can't define excessive oil dilution either. However, they standing behind oil viscosity specification, Dealer refused to provide oil sample for independent oil analysis.

[@seadogbill7625]

seemed it what?? Fixed it?? I have to know lol

[@3pumps324]

I have an 04 Civic and it's tough as nails. After watching this video I'm going to look at the Mazda 6 as my next purchase even though I was looking at the Accord. Thanks.

[@ljpr360]

If you wait for the new Mazda 6, there will be more options such as a plug-in or inline 6. The current generation is very well tested and reliable though!

[@MrBua-ht5ro]

@@ljpr360 Good luck with that. Research the whining sound they make and Mazda changing out the entire transmission.

[@AARNI1000]

who the hell going to buy when there is confusion related to oil dilution? who will keep going to change oil frequently when you purchased new CRV? practically nonsense

[@luke4701]

i will

[@dylanhughes5944]

@@luke4701 enjoy

[@w.a.holland2239]

Friend it still is a serious problem as my 2019 has excessive oil in the crankcase, and now I have a real problem as what to do about it!

[@efrainrosso6557]

@@w.a.holland2239 that’s why I bought the 2.4l engine.

[@amcdonal86VT]

I had this problem on the 1.5T Accord. At least I had the dipstick that smelled like gas and very overfilled all the time. Sometimes the car would stall or stumble when starting. But I was always able to start it the second time. I was not confident in the car and got rid of it.

[@jkdckismlo]

Very informative! We have a 2018 CRV and a 2018 Civic. We live in the south and drive on the highway to work everyday so I haven’t seen any problems. Good info, you did a great job explaining it.

[@w.a.holland2239]

Have you pulled your dip stick at regular intervals. and checked for over fill ,and smelled the stick for gasoline? If not, I suggest you get in a regular habit of doing so about ever 1,000 miles . My understanding is before the mileage reaches 70,000 miles due to the gasoline diluting the oil ,serious problems develop. Sorry !

[@johnfranklin5277]

Yes, if I had that vehicle I would definitely pull the dipstick, check the level, and definitely snif the dipstick every 2 weeks.

[@barryeason749]

So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.

[@karlschauff7989]

The real issue is that when there is so much gasoline running into the crankcase to cause the oil level to rise, it dilutes the oil to such a degree that the oil is no longer thick enough to adequately lubricate bearings and other other components inside the engine. A couple quarts of gasoline in the crankcase will cause significant damage to the engine. Also, that much fuel running past the pistons washes the oil film off the cylinder bores, causing excessive wear to the bores, piston rings, and piston skirts. These Earth Dreams engines are going to live significantly shorter lives and will almost certainly have oil consumption issues very early in their lives.

[@MattM-24]

@@karlschauff7989 These earth dreams are an earth nightmare lol. I hope all used buyers avoid them at all costs. Not only is the oil diluted and thus effective, but it's also gas in there which is a solvent. It's a double whammy. The fact Honda got away with it (failed lawsuit) and claims it's fixed after a software update is sickening.

[@user-oz3kt8mw2j]

So I buy a new car and now I have to worry what kind of trips I’m gonna be making. This is major and huge dealbreaker for me. Based on customers review this issue is not resolved for 2019 and 2020

[@hiteshjani8290]

J this is not fixed. There is dilution and the service dept at Honda will say it’s normal. Your engine will break down.

[@Immortalkalashnikov]

@@hiteshjani8290 My 08 Toyota tundra has had this problem and guess what, it has 300K miles on it. Just change your oil every 3K miles. That's what I have been doing.

[@conracewhatever5224]

I wish the Honda (as a whole company) has some balls to say this in public not you guys!

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

The Honda?

[@441meatloaf]

Honda did, they later did admit the 1.5L turbo engine with all these environmental concern is an issue. Hence they extended warranties on all 1.5L turbo owners.......They also acknowledge the fact a lot of the owners are having engine stalling, misfires, and lack of power issues....This is the new generation of problems by sticking a turbocharger while downsizing engine.....The engine of that small just can't handle the amount of engine pressure to compensate for the lack of power.

[@raymondali3688]

@@441meatloaf They should bring back the 2.4L Engine that is not tubrocharger for the crv, accord and the civic as well as to fix their weak automatic transmission!

[@441meatloaf]

@@raymondali3688 Thats not gonna happen anytime soon with the way how emission controls are getting tighter. But at least subaru is still using bigger engines and putting turbos on it like their new 2.4L or mazdas 2.5L turbos.

[@raymondali3688]

@@441meatloaf if emissions controls were tight then why is Toyota still making 2.5L engines as well as v6 and v8 engines

[@PrismOpal64]

Man I was looking into getting a new CRV, but this lingering problem scares the hell out of me.

[@Rich-yj4ub]

Toyota Rav4 has a Solid Non Turbo engine. Never buy a turbo engine. To much pressure & i can tell you exactly when the oil dilution happens on a turbo. When engine is cold & you punch it to get on the highway. If one is a led foot Forget about it.

[@JamesMcCarty]

What lingering problem? He literally made a video to say it's been fixed. It was fixed then and the fix has been implemented on the newer models.

[@pilot2020]

Stay away don't buy it I brought back my 2020 and they took it back it still has the problem honda lied to me and to the people .I'll keep my 08 crv

[@w.a.holland2239]

That is a lie and he was no doubt speaking only for Honda. Probably some one in his family is an employee of Honda! Tell him to come to North Carolina and I will show him the problems still still very serious.@@JamesMcCarty

[@aussie8114]

@@JamesMcCarty It’s obviously a bandaid fix he was explaining. Sounds like the problem is still there. Such a shame because it’s a great car otherwise.

[@jeffruebens8355]

There is talk that a new 0w-16 engine oil is coming out soon that is more gasoline resistant. The local dealer has a lifetime warranty, if you always go there for service. In the past, some dealers offering this went out of business, so it was the lifetime of the company and not how long you owned the vehicle. I am waiting for the April issue of Consumer Reports magazine at the library, that has reliability ratings for the last 8 years.

[@jeffruebens8355]

@@spoton3278 I agree, it is difficult to find people who will truly honor any warranty. They usually find some bullshit excuse to screw you and save their money and time. We bought a CX-5 instead of a CR-V. Mazda reliability has been improving the last few years, since they parted ways with Ford. The year old Consumer Reports top ten list for reliability has the CX-5. Their newest top ten list for reliability has the MX-5 Miata, CX-3 and CX-9. They do not take any advertising money from car brands, so hopefully they are more honest than JD Power.

[@hermanwooster8944]

Oh boy. You're going to get a LOT of flak for this video. Much respect for wading into this controversy!

[@CarConfections]

I know right? But we still wanted to try to talk about it best we could because it is definitely the #1 thing we get asked about for Honda's

[@salehsaleh4925]

When you live in Canada the small engine it takes about a good 10 minutes drive before it warms up and if you live in a small city and you’re doing short trips that mean this car it’s not good for Canadian market

[@allentumminello2343]

Yet they are made in Canada, right

[@clarencewhite6053]

CANADA is HIGH COST to purchase a vehicle, If it were me i would go with the rav 4. For me one GOOD THING ABOUT HONDA is anything above the crv lx comes with a REMOTE START. For the rav 4 you gotta go ENTUNE APP or be prepared to PAY $500.00 or more.

[@valdius85]

@@clarencewhite6053 2.5l NA Toyota engine had a recall for fuel pump :)

[@SCraig-Handsome]

I’m in Canada and I’ve driven 2010, 2016 & 2020 CRV’s. They all warm up within 5 minutes, the 2020 has the 1.5 turbo and took 3 minutes in -17 Celsius weather and even less when it is warmer. It’s better to drive cold, don’t use Remote start, don’t use heat or entertainment until you see the temperature gauge go up to about 1/4 or 1/3. If it’s-30 it could take longer of course but that’s to be expected. 2010 & 2016 are K engines, the 1.5 Litre turbo engine is the L15B7 engine. Best car I’ve ever driven by far and that includes my Hyundai Santa Fe XL with a Lambda II GDi engine (G6DH version). Honda warms up quicker and more powerful due to the turbo

[@stuckinwawa]

Ya well my 2019 crv never warms up, it could be -20 and I can start it up in the driveway and let it run for ever, the guage wont come up. I have to drive the damn thing for 15 min just for it to come up 1 notch. The thing is brutal for warming up, fricken defrost doesn't do shit until you drive it for 5 minutes guessing where to go cause you cant see nothing through the windshield. So go ahead and buy one folks, you'll love it!

[@rusack7174]

Keep in mind that driving very short distances on a regular bases with any gasoline powered vehicle is considered a harsh driving environment. That then calls for more frequent oil changes. Aside from fuel getting into the oil and never being burned off (so to speak) there's also the problem of condensation accumulating (water) in the crankcase also raising what you see on the dipstick.

[@wdamato39]

I’m a retired mechanic with a 2017 CRV. I change my own oil. The onetime I let a technician, other than myself, change it was part of the campaign to reprogram the ECM and replace AC controller. When I got home I checked workmanship and oil to get a baseline. I called corporate Honda in California to inform them the technician overfilled crankcase. I, on the other hand, take the time to slowly add oil to achieve correct line on the dipstick when I change it every 6,000 miles with Mobil one. I haven’t experienced any excessive dilution.

[@patrickkerner1471]

Bottom line, change your own oil and filter and change oil plug washer every time! Fill according to car manual and verify by checking dip stick! Only use oil velocity recommended by manufacture!

[@parmijo]

@@patrickkerner1471 I have a 2019. Dealer overfilled. Turns out they have an automated oil refiller that has increments of .5 quarts. CRV 1.5 takes 3.7 qts including filter. So they just set the auto filler to 4 qts. I bet there are a lot CRVs with .3 qts overfilled.

[@shando3333]

Hi, do you live in a cold climate? Is your crv still doing good?

[@tbone-spartacus3357]

Well, you're lucky. MY 2017 dumps gas in the crankcase like a pissing horse. I change my oil every 5K and use Mobil one too, but there's no way this is good for the engine.

[@tbone-spartacus3357]

@@shando3333 It doesn't matter. I don't live in the cold climate areas, and my 2017 has this problem since day one.

[@Rich-yj4ub]

Thank you so much. Buying a 2021 Toyota Rav4. A 1.5L Turbo in a Suv is just asking for trouble & ANY Oil Dilution is a problem. I live in cold climate & short drives are all I do. Toyota Rav4 may have it's quirks too but the engine is solid. Maybe that's why Honda for the first time EVER is offering 0% financing. Mhmm

[@stevensevek6151]

I'm 73 & owned Hondas most of my life but I will never buy a vehicle with a small turbocharged GDI engine.

[@captoblivious1]

I agree, the 2.4l was fine.

[@stevensevek6151]

@@captoblivious1 Unless I can be convinced it will likely be dependable. I read something recently about the Mazda CX9 which has a 2.5 liter turbo GDI engine that mentioned a novel way in which Mazda engineered it to prevent carbon build-up on the intake valves (by designing it to keep the valves at a temperature that prevents carbon build-up) And a 2.5 isn't all that small anyway and I'm thinking if you drive conservatively (which I do) it should be just fine. I just have to find that information again. I think it was a review of the CX9 on the Savage Geese channel.

[@captoblivious1]

I have a Nissan leaf that's had zero issues. Battery will eventually be worn out. But it's been very dependable and cheap to own.

[@patrickmcmullen7910]

Steven Sevek, the turbocharger is not the issue or the cause of this problem. The high pressure direct injection is the issue and the fact that the engine doesn’t seem to get to operating temperature too quickly. Honda uses a very high pressure unit that can force the gasoline by the piston rings while the engine is cold.

[@stevensevek6151]

@@patrickmcmullen7910 We had a 2016 Mazda 6 with a GDI 2.5 liter engine and it had 69,000 miles on it when we traded it. We never had any problems with it. It was not turbocharged. Are you saying that there is more pressure from the GDI in Honda's engine than in Mazda's?

[@pedologst]

I have a 2018 CR-V. In cold weather the engine fix did not make any difference in the engine warming up faster as stated. In MN and I am sure anywhere else it gets cold this engine loses engine temp for me below about 10 degrees unless driving at highway speed. Cold enough you can't keep the windshield clear. Dealer service manager says his Accord blows cold air out of the vents while waiting at a light after exiting the freeway. My engine temp gauge drops to below the C in about 4 minutes at idle. Honda official position is that this vehicle operating as designed. This is unsafe.

[@chuckentleutner4818]

Excuses by Honda

[@RichardHatton-e3s]

I owned a 2019 CRV EX, with the 1.5 turbo, and had very severe oil dilution problems in my warm Central California location. I took it to the local dealer, and had him smell the dipstick, which smelled badly of oil, and they said it was normal. I had two independent mechanics look at it, and they said it was severe oil dilution, and recommended I change the oil every 2000 miles. I ended up selling the car after 15,000 miles, after I read that there were recalls to this engine in Canada and northern States of the U.S., and later in China. When my dealer professed never hearing about the problem, I lost all trust in Honda.

[@andybub45]

While all GDI engines have some oil dilution, none have experienced these problems that the 1.5 has. And according to what I found online, the 2019 Civics, CRVs, and Accord 1.5s are still having the oil dilution issue. I am pretty sure the fault lies within the piston rings, not the software. Honda says they fixed it, but until they release a recall and a real fix, they havent. OIL DILUTION IS NEVER NORMAL. Many other manufacturers make great GDI engines, but Honda doesnt. (Nothing against you guys)

[@jonpenguin303]

Exactly. My wifes 2018 CRV Touring with 2200 miles had it happen to her. NOT happy with Honda.

[@kevinkilduff2064]

I have 200 k on my 2004 CRV with a 2.4 normally aspirated engine. Not a single problem. Simple, efficient and it works!

[@read1kings18]

Perhaps if starting the car when the outside temperatures are cold enough to contribute to the dilution issue then just allowing the engine to warm up at idle before driving it hard would be an adequate precaution. Giving the engine a extra minute to warm up at idle is probably not a bad idea for any automobile.

[@clarencewhite6053]

yea, that MAKES SENSE. I have a 2020 crv ex which comes WITH FACTORY REMOTE. I normally REMOTE START my car for 10-20 minutes before driving, ihaven't had any hiccups with mine.

[@planetuniversal8085]

Dude I just got a 2020v1.5 Turbo Honda Accord with 4000 miles and my my oil level is like a this is like above the high mark it's already to the point where it's hitting the metal rod And the oil smells like straight-up-and-down gasoline And I've only driven the car for a 1000 miles And I live in Miami and it's summer time So you tell me what they have fixed

[@MattM-24]

No you make the problems worse by "letting it warm up". In doing-so you're forcing the engine to take longer to heat up and thus exacerbating the oil dilution. I hypothesize this is exactly why the northern states had this issue even more because this is common practice there; before you drive you let it warm up. I would suggest, in all cars, to start the car and let it run for a minute and return to normal idle RPM. Then drive the car lightly, don't rev high, until the engine is fully warmed. And specifically for this Honda, I would suggest getting rid of it posthaste and avoid buying it used.

[@americanmutt5426]

Just bought the 2020 1.5t civic with the manual transmission, fingers are crossed after reading some of these comments.

[@galret9899]

For your (apparent) age, you guys nailed it. I don't think a veteran mechanic could have done a better job. Thank you for the information.

[@petebatfish1373]

Thank you for your propaganda on our behalf (Honda Management)

[@curiously1510]

Thanks for the well articulated perspective on this issue. The graphics are super helpful, and the overall presentation is very well done. Hopefully Honda will continue to stand behind these vehicles.

[@CarConfections]

Thanks for the feedback. This was something a little bit different than usual for us

[@shocksemler8145]

@ dan339g That’s the problem. Honda DOES NOT stand behind these vehicles. They say nothing is wrong. Smelling gas fumes and a dip stick that smells like pure gas is totally “normal.”

[@petebatfish1373]

LOL a well articulated Honda corporate propaganda response. IT Is NOT FIXED

[@The_Noticer.]

No, there isn't supposed to be oil dilution. That is a cope from manufacturers. It was never an issue, until they started with direct injection.

[@joegaspar3908]

Ok so I have a 2018 CRV with oil dilution. I had all the updates done and still have no difference on how high my oil is reading on the dipstick. Way over the full mark. If this fix is what has already been done in the newest models how has the problem been resolved??? Sorry I forgot it’s normal to have gas in your oil!!

[@chuckentleutner4818]

Honda SHOULD HAVE done a recall on all the vehicles having oil dilution. That's why I won't by a Honda any longer, they don't stand by their products

[@clarencewhite6053]

i dont even look, i just drive my car. I aint poppin the hood on my crv thats their job.

[@jacekdzierzan7012]

Same thing here. Dealer (after consultation with Honda) decided to change oil for free, updated software - but I have still the same problem. After 3000 miles the oil level is > 0.5" above original level. Is it at abnormal level - they will not define it. To me the video here is addressing oil dilution same way as the dealer does. Using word EXCESSIVE oil dilution without define it is useless to all honda owner. After all there the oil dipstick is there for visual indication of oil level.

[@randypond7499]

Yeah, make sure you’re not a qt. Low on gas in your oil!

[@vicksta8875]

Cant thank you enough!! My 2017CRV is a florida car, driven back to the east coast. So, I checked my oil, after a few months 3,500 miles, cuz the car was running rough. When I pulled the dipstick, the oil level was normal-high.. It smelled like fuel!!😳 I've never never pulled a oil stick on any car, and smelled fuel... So, now I know why!! Taking it too the dealer, for the recall fix!! 🤞💜 Thankyou!!!!!

[@ronkipp1862]

Thank you, Your video was the first I've seen, that explains Honda engine oil dilution in detail.

[@CarConfections]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@larrymacek6849]

Ron Kipp, I concur.

[@salehsaleh4925]

I live in Canada I had 2018 Honda CRV Honda Canada did not recall this problem to notify the owners specially in ALBERTA they ignored the whole thing so I get rid of it when I bought my vehicle I mentioned that to them they said we never heard of it they always play stupid

[@lonewolf_2022]

I had 2020 CRV and it was still reading on metal part of my oil dip stick above max marks. Could you please define what is normal vs excessive oil dilution? I also had dealer look at it, all they did is changed my oil and when I asked them what is normal dilution they said that there is no open re-calls for 2020 that is because its still new. There is a reason why China rejected proposed Honda fix and force them to re-call them due to reliability/safety concerns in their country and also to protect consumers. I ended up taking a loss and trading it for other non-Honda vehicle.

[@SCraig-Handsome]

There’s no oil dilution on my 2020 CR-V, even today, -12 Celsius with the wind chill (10 Fahrenheit)

[@lonewolf_2022]

@@SCraig-Handsome FYI In any GDI engine there will be some oil dilution part of engine life cycle. What people on the internet speak of, is an excessive oil dilution. If you have zero oil dilution you must not be driving your car, in that case congratulations.

[@SCraig-Handsome]

Lone Wolf are they warming up their car for 10-20 minutes? If so they are running it at 800 RPMs in mild weather, you need to get the engine to 2,500 RPM. I had a fuel injection problem in 1996, I was told to get it to 2,500 RPM as soon as I could for the engine to burn off the gasoline. Fuel injection has been used since 1894, this is nothing new. Eventually I had to get the ECU replaced which improved the situation but due to a design flaw engines back then could get flooded with gas if you idle them, even in cold weather. It’s uncomfortable sure but all you have to do is leave the heater off until the engine temperature gauge get to about 1/3, then turn it on. The critical temperature is about 550 Fahrenheit, get it to that then you can turn on your heaters and entertainment system. I only drive 8km to work (5 miles) but it usually gets to that before I park, then I’ll do some driving on the weekend to make sure I don’t have any issues. Not a big deal and it’s worked with Chrysler, Toyota and Honda PFI, GDI any type of fuel injection

[@lonewolf_2022]

@@SCraig-Handsome I drove my 2020 CRV for 25miles to work and 25 miles back it has had plenty of time to get up to operation temps. I still had an issue with oil reading on my metal part of the dip stick even after dealer looked at it and did oil change on it. It was Mon-Fri I just get in to my Car and go.On top of that thin low friction piston rings which do not help in this case. People and Engineers in China understood this issue. That is why government stepped in and forced Honda to re-call them instead to playing around with ECU flash/reprogramming, That way consumer was protected. Here in US I can't say the same. I ended up trading that Lemon in and that is end of story for me. As for others I can only be certain in my case. But feel free to ask people in comments/other forums etc.

[@lonewolf_2022]

Maybe if Honda will bring diesel to US I could give them another chance, but not now

[@alexanderdale4040]

Just picked up a used 2021 . . . will let you know if this is still an issue! Ironic, that in their attempts to improve fuel economy Honda has introduced all this trouble with the turbo. I had a Yamaha 650 Seca Turbo back in the day (late 80s) and had this dilution problem. That, of course, was not injected. Thanks for the review, very well done. One small point, it's "Exacerbated" not "Exasperated" . . . 🙂

[@randallstewart175]

Of course, the true answer is YES, contra video. The dilution is not limited to cold weather or northern states, although the problem is greater in those circumstances. The changes mentioned do little or nothing to change the fact of excess gas accumulation in the oil. I've owned Honda or Acura for more than 40 years, and I just bought a new Passport. Honda's response to this problem is all in the marketing department, not in engineering. Honda puts a similar engine design in the Acura RDX, and it doesn't have the oil blow-by problem in the 1.5 liter put in the CR-V, so the problem is in the engine design. It would cost Honda a fortune to change the 1.5 liter over this, and doing so would also raise buyer demands for engine replacement in the previously sold cars. In the end, this is a decision made on the same basis as that used by Ford over the Pinto: it's probably cheaper to handle the cost of defending claims made later over bad design than to change the design now. The difference is that in the CR-V/Civic, engines will die. In the Ford Pinto, people died.

[@SCraig-Handsome]

Well of course because FORD = Found On Road Dead

[@Broccoli_Highkicks]

Honda's Vtec engines are legendary, and when they finally decided to do diesel engines, they nailed it. Odd that they've now messed up the turbo engine. And am I understanding correctly that this is NOT an issue on the 1L turbo for the Civic? I'm European, and I've not noticed as much talk about this issue here - perhaps because the 1L is more common here?

[@andybub45]

We do not have that engine here.

[@mosesr4278]

Honda just give us back our K24 engine

[@i.r.wayright1457]

My 2017 CRV LX with the 2.4L Earth Dreams engine has had four oil analysis reports. All had oil dilution from 2.0 to 3.5%. At under 25,000 miles it still sounds and operates normally though. So Don't think ANY car from Honda with direct cylinder fuel injection is immune to this problem. When either the 2.4L or 1.5L or the new 2.0L start getting to be over 100,000 miles, let's see what the reliability is.

[@Mo.Jo.]

My ilx has a k24 and makes me super happy everytime I rev that baby up

[@overseasterritory8983]

I.R. Wayright no such thing as a 2.4 earth dreams engine

[@i.r.wayright1457]

@@overseasterritory8983 Want to tell that to the one in my 2017 CRV LX?

[@overseasterritory8983]

I.R. Wayright oh my bad I didn’t realize they made a 2.4 earth dreams I thought you were talking about the regular K series

[@10tenman10]

Sorry, I would not buy this car. There are lots of other vehicles that don't have this (major) problem

[@lunisce]

Buy 2.4L CRV or 2.0L Civic if you're worried.. no turbo

[@patrickmcmullen7910]

Lunisce, the turbo is NOT the problem on the 1.5 engine. It’s the very high pressure fuel delivery that is blasting the gasoline past the piston rings while the engine is cold. The turbo is basically non functioning below 140 degrees water temperature.

[@lunisce]

Patrick McMullen thanks, good to know

[@ram89572]

@@patrickmcmullen7910 but to be fair here you don't need to turbocharge engines for regular vehicles anyway. That's where half of all modern car problems come from. Take something not capable of doing the job then force feeding it to make it do the job is going to kill anything faster. Small displacement turbo engines is a trend that needs to die

[@tousshong9438]

Stupid tend, I must say and I hope it die soon. Toyota did it without Turbo and their vehicle are more trouble free.

[@xXriverratsXx]

Thank you for this. Still trying to decide which I’m buying, this or the RAV4. Leaning towards the RAV4 but I’m in love with the space the Honda offers.

[@chuckentleutner4818]

Rav4! No question

[@Panthere.vision]

Rav4 100%

[@judgefredd33]

Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Depends on your priorities and which looks nicer to you. RAV4 has gas tank fill up problems as well

[@chuckentleutner4818]

@@judgefredd33 But one has no oil dilution issue, Toyota

[@shocksemler8145]

Logic Do your research on all the vehicles you like. The Honda does have the oil dilution problem. I have a 2019 and wish I had known about this issue. I would never have purchased it. I don’t know a lot about the RAV4 but like I said just research thoroughly. Good luck.

[@aussie8114]

What you have explained is a bandaid fix. Sounds like the actual problem remains. The extended power train warranty is not much comfort because when you try to sell it just before the warranty expires buyers won’t want to pay much for the vehicle. Such a shame because it otherwise looks like a great vehicle.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

I will never buy a Honda ever again from the experience I've had with Honda Manufacturer reps. Never, ever, ever. It's clear that the dealer may want to do right (emphasis on "may"), but Honda does not care, not for one second. They want people to keep buying their cars, and just hide the truth about the various real problems with their cars. They don't have the courage to come out and say this to the public because if they talked to the public, you would clearly see how much they really really don't care about the public.

[@tonychau1983]

Honda reps are useless. When you call and have a issue. All they say is if the dealer techs saids it's normal its normal....

[@ajjenga4316]

I have a 2019 crv. Just went through several weeks/months of very cold weather in Canada. Checked the oil as the oil.life reader says 15% left. The dipstick was up 2 inches above full line!!! I removed 8, yes eight liters of "oil". The car takes 3.7 liters. This means over have of my "oil" was gas or water. Phoned my dealer. Apparently my wife doesn't commute far enough to properly warm up the car so this happens. Basically too bad they say! Unreal. I can only imagine the damage this has caused to the engine.

[@JS-vp2kt]

Good stuff. Just bought a 2019 Civic 1.5L Turbo. Glad to hear Honda fixed the oil dilution problem in the 2019 model. This had me concerned initially. Thanks for the video dude.

[@djpayton9128]

Any updates? I’m looking into a 2019 si right now

[@davidosterberg1643]

@@djpayton9128 I have a 2019 CR-V with 72K on the clock. There is a perceptible smell of gasoline on the dipstick and also in the oil when I change it. I change the oil at 5000 mile intervals, using a GF-6A oil with API SP rating. I do it myself because I want to be certain that the 'Best Oil' is in the crankcase. Honda says that "Normal fuel dilution" is less than 2% in this engine and considers the previous problem solved. A mixture of oil with 2% gasoline would definitely have a gasoline odor. I've yet to change the oil in this vehicle and not notice the smell of gasoline, winter or summer, the odor is always present.

[@lloydcollins]

Ok it just me or is there bad weather in basically every car video you guys do. Feel bad for you dudes, it’s always raining or snowing in your videos LOL! But props to you guys because you work hard at this.

[@CarConfections]

KY weather fights us hard sometimes but works gotta get done one way or the other! 💪

[@DarkStarAZ]

I'm thinking of buying a new CRV so thanks for this video

[@hiteshjani8290]

IndigoStarAz don’t buy it.

[@pilot2020]

Probably to late .I brought back my 2020 crv major problems stalling dilution almost 1 quart over each oil change they took the car back when my lawyer was present after they told me it was fixed it wasn't DONT BUY IT STAY AWAY

[@w.a.holland2239]

Amen! Stay far away from new Honda's until you hear that they admit a serious problem ,and have an international recall!@@pilot2020

[@mikebingham9700]

t's amazing to see how many 2017 and 2018 used CRV's with the 1.5 Turbo engine that are on used car lots. People are trading them in in record numbers. (This comment revised due to a spelling error)

[@magnusjonsson1316]

What many do not know is that oil dilution occurs in every Otto engine , it is just a matter of how much. The carbon build up problem due to GDI technique is much worse and will cause a lot of blown engines in the years to come.

[@f181234]

Magnus Jönsson other than some VW engines which had carbon buildup issues I haven’t heard of any other brand which had serious carbon issues

[@karlschauff7989]

The amount of fuel that Honda's Earth Dreams engine is dumping into the crankcase is FAR worse than carbon buildup. Running an engine with engine oil containing 20...30...40% gasoline is absolutely terrible for bearings, camshaft journals, etc. That fuel is also washing the oil film off of the cylinder bores, piston rings, and piston skirts, accelerating the wear of those components. The most dangerous aspect of that wear is that it will lead to severe oil consumption... which will mask the oil dilution issue since the dipstick may show only a small change in level. The engine might burn 3 quarts of oil between oil changes... but the level on the dipstick didn't change because 3 quarts of unburned gasoline replaced that oil. 50% gasoline content is terrible for lubricating an engine.

[@dharmaboy75]

I will help you guys out in cold climate - I live in Alberta, Canada. I have been keeping an eye on my engine specifically for any abnormal oil dilution. I drive about 45 mins to and from work daily so I do very minimal short hops. I did an oil change before fall and I just did one after we had a massive cold spell (-40C for over a week) a few weeks ago in early Feb. This is something we will have to get used to IF we demand smaller fuel efficient engines that give us unreal gas mileage WHILE giving us power AND we don't want to go with Toyota. I have an '19 Si, I knew this going in so I am diligent with my oil changes etc. My other choices was getting a WRX or STi but then deal with head gaskets, and horrible fuel consumption. I could have gone with Toyota which does both GDI and Port Injection but have nothing really nice for a sportier car. Pick your battles basically.

[@ontarioman6301]

Cx 5 is the answer

[@KnowTheNewOfficial]

USA 🇺🇸 Version honda has this kind of problem but in Asia version never heard this kind of oil Dilution issue.... So it's the problem of USA version not Asia version

[@volatilememory9338]

I don't think the fixed the actual issue of the piston rings. Oil has to get past the rings for oil to be in the crankcase. Solve that problem first since everything else is a bandage after the fact.

[@garthleach8144]

Einstein

[@dvbs2x117]

Design flaw. Honda didn’t fix it. They masked the issue.

[@ghorner11]

This issue has not been fixed. We have a 2019 we bought brand new and I change the oil in all our own vehicles. We do live in a cold climate being Ottawa, Ontario, Canada but we live in the country so no short runs for it. I.did the first oil change early at 10,000 kms and in all 30 years of changing my own oil I have never smelled so much gas in the oil ever. I even splashed some on my shirt by accident and had to throw it out as I couldn't get rid of the gas smell from it. We love the CRV but are really worried about engine life in this one. As a result I'll be changing the oil early at 10,000kms each time and we probably won't keep it as long as the 2013 we had before.

[@quikgt]

ghorner11 IMO 10,000 km’s is far too long for your oil change !

[@ghorner11]

@@quikgt I'm using a quality synthetic and if you follow the oil life percentage it would have had me changing oil probably not too far off 20k. I thought 10k wasn't too bad.

[@barriemader]

Had many Honda vehicles over the years. The 2018 CRV was our last Honda. Did all the required fixes for the dilution issue. Gas fumes inside the vehicle did still persist. Oil levels were still high above average for the CRV. The 1.5 litre turbocharged engine seemed to work fine but I never had a vehicle that I smelled gas inside more than not. Only put 30k on it before we traded it. Sorry, Honda.

[@williammize8270]

They don't have any intentions of fixing it they're screwing over their customers and their customers have don't have anything no recourse

[@thefbi4060]

Lemon lawsuit

[@BigRobChicagoPL]

This makes me feel better about possibly trading in my rusting 2003 Odyssey for a 2020 Civic Hatch 6 speed this summer. I live in Chicago and complete about an hour trip each way daily to University so I think the car would warm up alright. Now I just have to worry about sourcing the 6 speed Hatch...everything here is CVT

[@w.a.holland2239]

Just stay far away from the turbo engine, and I mean far, far away!

[@BigRobChicagoPL]

@@w.a.holland2239 honestly I've owned the 1.5T for almost a year already. Put down 9k miles. Even got the CVT. Just want the thing to last through University then I'll get something nicer like an f150

[@delroy0]

Lmaooo so basically don't live in cold climates 🙄 if you have to change the oil more frequently than normal to avoid a big problem then how the hell can anyone recommend a damn CR-V to anyone 😂😂 honda better start giving out free oil changes.

[@tails300]

It happens in warm climates too. Owners in southern states have complained about it.

[@delroy0]

@@tails300 see now that's even worse so crv definitely a big no no for me that earth dream engine is completely utter garbage

[@stevensevek6151]

Free oil changes... Nothing will convince me to ever buy another Honda.

[@delroy0]

@@stevensevek6151 what blows my mind is websites keep saying cr-v is reliable but when I go on car complaints. Com they label some model year cr-v's as clunkers so I don't know who the hell to believe these days 😂😂😂😂.

[@DanLimbach]

The oil dilution problem has been addressed for new 2019 models and later, and can be addressed for 2015-2018 models at the dealership. The complaints for oil dilution in 2019-2020 models are extremely low. www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/CR-V/

[@noroar3258]

I've posted in the topic a few times . I ended up leasing a 2020 crv lx awd even though I'm totally aware of the oil dilution issue . my negotiation for the lease included a written guarantee from dealer owner that I can get out of the lease penalty free if my crv goes into limp mode as a result of OD . I was zoning in on an HRV because of the solid engine but for the price difference in monthly payment it just wasnt worth it . 385 a month for hrv verses 399 a month for crv (canadian prices). CRV had low lease rate + loyalty incentives that brought price down . So far with 1500 kilometers theres no sign of oil dilution and the cabin heats up nicely on these chilly spring mornings in canada eh .I'll also add the I was told by dealer that after my first oil change they begin using a new type of oil that helps gdi engines ; cant recall exact name of it at moment though

[@shando3333]

was it 0w16?

[@noroar3258]

@@shando3333 yes , but they still used 0-w20 on first oil change back in fall 2020 . I'll be due for another change soon and I'll ask why

[@FEDD]

Excellent video. From what I've been reading OD is no longer an issue after the fixes and most of the complaints are older posts. There are civics out there with 200k miles on them and no problems. The misinformation from people who don't even own the car is ridiculous

[@henryhonda8408]

I had 2 Civics in the past with over 200k BUT they didn't have a turbo engine. Turbo's are a deal breaker for me and they were even before the oil dilution problem surfaced. I did purchase a new 2019 Insight with a 1.5L Atkinson engine which works with the electric motor..... great car with incredible gas mileage.

[@melanieryterski1758]

My 2019 CRV still has this problem. My last oil change was 24% gasoline. There is nothing “normal” about oil dilution, period.

[@barrya.6212]

Thanks for comment.... as you know he stated this was "resolved" in 2019 year....truly not the case...as I've read other places as well.

[@b3lkin1]

Good thing I got the 2.0 naturally aspirated engine instead!

[@jremaine1]

Whats the difference

[@Kizzle001]

Yeah, I sold my Elantra gdi I think I will get the port injected 2.0 Civic.

[@seansteryu7398]

Yes it is. I contacted Honda, they told me to go to the dealer, dealer first said yeah,smelled like gasoline. But then after 5 days, told me 2019 has been updated, nothing was done.

[@robertclarkguitar]

My son is pissed. 2020 700 miles has strong gas smell in oil. He is close to getting lawyer. The dealer says they are AWARE of the issue but Honda told them nothing else will be done as they fixed it with update. So now they know there is a problem and sold the vehicle I cannot wait to see what class actions or private suit brings. If they do not swap his car out with older model or 2.0. He traded his perfect 2.0 civic 2017 for it. Thinking the 1.5 t was faster. Hahah. I tried to warn him. Anyway hes told the mechanic will look at it monday. I wonder what will unfold here.

[@seansteryu7398]

@@robertclarkguitar your son has a crv or covic?

[@timdiver53]

Extended warranty on top end only? What about the bottom end(crank,rods,bearings,rings etc.).Is Honda pulling the wool over are eyes?

[@w.a.holland2239]

Exactly! Any good mechanic knows that gasoline cleans ,meaning ,that excessive gas in the crankcase will absoutely create a major engine problem to the internal moving engine parts.......

[@mosthatedking355]

I have a 2019 civic with the 1.5T with 29k engine began to show symptoms of this problem I live in Los Angeles and commute 53 miles one way 5 days a week and Honda is blaming me with contaminated fuel

[@JAM_2024]

In summary it hasn't been fixed. It's a design flaw.

[@w.a.holland2239]

Absolutely it is still a serious problem . My wife and I purchased a new 2019 Honda CR-V in July of 2019 and at 7,000 mi the dip stick showed over full and it had a STRONG smell of gasoline .The dealer only gave me the run-a- round without offering any solutions to fix the problem . Because of our age we don't know what is left for us to do .This was our first new car in over 20 years .We are both worrying about how can we afford to fix it if there is a serious problem after the warranty expires....

[@aussie8114]

@@w.a.holland2239 I have no real knowledge of these things but possibly an oil change every 2 or 3 months will help extend the life of the engine. You are effectively replacing the contaminated oil with new un contaminated oil. A bit of a pain getting an oil change every few months but it’s a possible option.

[@Theyralltakenfu]

@@w.a.holland2239 The warranty has been extended for a long time and if it were me, I’d change the oil every 3000 miles and not like 5000 as some say. If you live in a colder climate it’s more an issue but not the end all.

[@BradiKal61]

glad I found your video. we are currently shopping for a 2020 CRV and dont want the turbo engine for this reason PLUS the cost of maintaining or replacing a turbo in general

[@AphexHaw3k]

it's a shame that consumers have to worry about the type of trips they have to be made with such a new car. Especially if you have to worry about driving on a cold day. The best you can do if you own these cars is to be consistent with your oil changes and use full synthetic oil. Change every 3000-5000 miles. Best to check the oil dipstick and see how the oil is looking too when the time comes around. and always try to let the car warm up for about 2min before driving off.

[@adasmith7141]

Awesome 👏 vídeo... Very interesting and informative 🙌🙌

[@shoestring405]

2019 CRV This issue is not fixed. Last oil change done at Honda dealer. Oil was between 3/4 and 1 liter over full. Oil smelled strongly of gasoline and I had them note it on the work order. Dealer told me that if it got bad enough to turn on the check engine light they would look into it then. This issue is not fixed.

[@JoshuaSmith-bc3ut]

Haha my 2020 Civic Sport has this problem.. I'm in Maine bought it in 12/2019. So should probably update your data. Getting EVAP codes and everything.

[@serenitynow2605]

Good to know...I knew the repair was to good to be true! Thanks

[@pilot2020]

Yup I'm from mass and I bought a 2020 and brought it back after they told me rest assured it's been fixed and it wasn't I had the issue I brought my lawyer in and they took the car back 1.5t is flawed engine .it's still not fixed

[@TheJoelmartinez1]

I have never seen an oil dilution on any of the cars that I own so I don't think it's normal if anything the oil level should go down a little bit not up

[@jesuscamarena2381]

As much as I love my 2016 Civic EX-L , trading it for either a Hyundai or Toyota after this Coronavirus lockdown is over. sad.

[@alvinsimba734]

Whats wrong with the civic?

[@angrymachine4655]

I have a 2020 CR-V more than a year. Never faced a problem like this...!!! Although I like my Mazda CX-5 more 😌 the turbo engine and 6 speed automatic is so much fun to drive than the CVT in my opinion

[@chuckentleutner4818]

But remember... It isn't just the Turbo engines that have oil dilution. I had a 2016 Honda CRV TOURING, bought new. It had oil dilution bad, 1.5 quarts high, from the get go. 2.4 liter Earthdreams engine. Sold it for this reason. Honda should do a recall on ALL OF THESE. Other manufacturers do recalls, Honda makes excuses, like: COLD WEATHER DRIVING, SHORT TRIPS. Come on now, I've driven 20+ cars in my life in cold weather with short trips and NONE of them had this problem! Also, people who drive only highway, long trips and live in Texas and Florida are having this issue too. A car is only as good as how they honor their warranties. Never again, Honda!

[@febweb17]

I have a Civic 1.5 litre turbo sedan. It was made in November 2016 and I bought it new in January 2017. In my part of Australia it never gets below zero and in the summer the temperature is between 25-35 degrees celsius. In January 2023 I took my Civic in for a service, drove home, a half hour drive, and checked the oil, which was spot on. Within a month the oil level was showing over-full, it was part way up the dipstick and stank of fuel. Ok, so Honda have done a fix on later models but what about a fix on my car? I complied with everything they asked so surely there should be some redress or fix for me.

[@halvia21]

Thanks for the great explanation! I recently purchased a 2017 CR-V but I live in Florida and in a more rural area(so rarely any quick trips) and glad to hear the power train warranty was extended. You guys make great videos, keep it up!😃

[@CarConfections]

Thank you! Glad you found the video helpful!

[@unojarocho]

The fix does not work. I used to own a 2018 CR-V. Long/short trips make no difference. The worst thing about this vehicle is the heat. Even at 32 degrees, using the remote start barely heats the vehicle. After the vehicle is driven and fully warmed up, if you pull over and leave it the vehicle at idle, the coolant temp drops and therefore the computer feels vehicle is cold therefore injects more fuel.....I will never purchase another CR-V. 30 grand plus is way too much money for a vehicle with these problems.

[@SCraig-Handsome]

Never use Remote Start

[@Stargate555]

I have a 2017 Honda CRV Touring trim with 46000 miles. Within the first 3-4 months I noticed my oil dip stick was about 11/2” past the full mark. Went to the dealer and told them. They changed my oil and filter. Before I drove away I checked the oil and it was on the full mark. Take a 20 minute drive went home check the dipstick and it was an inch past the full mark again. I called Honda America The following day and they gave me a reference number after they took all my information. After searching online I found out that this was a problem that they had in China and throughout Asia before the newly redesigned Honda with a 1.5 L engine came to the US. When they came out with the recall 5 to 6 months later and I had it done it seemed to have corrected the problem. The question is, even though I was changing the oil frequently before the record, was there any damage done to the engine. This could be one of the reasons why I had the issue with extended warrantees on the engine to 100,000 miles.

[@johngiardina8259]

How about the Accord engine same deal?

[@mikeguarino8492]

If the accord has the 1.5 then yes same deal

[@zeusl074]

DO NOT RUN REGULAR FUEL -- USE ONLY PREMIUM! On Bobistheoilguy, they said that turbo engines run best on premium fuel. The 1.5 may run on 87 ok; however, BITOG stated that the engine has to run richer on 87 in order to compensate. This extra 'richness' may be an issue on short trips -- especially in cold weather. While this issue was relatively rare, sometime in 2019, Honda did come up with a software fix that allowed the engine to warm up faster and change the fuel injection parameters. Still, if you want the most performance, stick with premium (93). Consumer Reports noted that while the 0-60 time was 7.4 and 7.3 (for the 2019 Touring AWD using 93 and 87, respectively), the 0-100mph was 20.2 vs 20.4 on premium 93. This illustrates the extra horsepower effect (although torque was not affected) of 93 fuel as the vehicle accelerated. 1/10th of a second for 0-60 can be driver reaction time or other variables; however, two tenths indicates an actual change. The CVT transmission does spool up like a jet airliner, but once it does, it really gets moving! Horsepower for 87 octane fuel was 164hp/168lb/ft. Premium 93 fuel yielded 172hp/168lb/ft -- both results measured at the wheels. Premium 93 also yielded an additional half-mile MPG gain. So, use premium 93 to prevent dilution, increase performance, allow for better fuel economy, and be happy :)

[@rudysaucedo6659]

i have a 2019 accord sport with the 1.5t engine. should i put 93 premium on my car or 87?

[@frankfarago2825]

2020 Accords have the same engine, 1.5 Turbo direct injection. So, the problem is emblemic of Honda. Two main things I learned: Do not by a direct injection engine and do not buy a car with a Turbocharged engine, either. Both together? Nah....

[@TheJorgern]

I fixed my problem. I added an extra quart. It doesn't burn it any longer. And runs better.

[@swssws9803]

"You might want to take it out on the highway more often instead of shorter trips to let the engine warm up". Sure Buddy. Do you work for Honda or something? You need to go to the store around the corner but you have a 2018 CR-V so you have to go to the store in another city so the engine warms up and vaporizes some of that gas. I have a job 5 minutes away but I guess I'd need to get a job further from home to suit my crappy CR-V's mood swings if I bought one. Great idea.

[@mitrishski1]

You two do such a great job with your videos. I love the way you fully address the issue and talk to us “non-automotive types”. You are filling a much needed gap.

[@CarConfections]

Thanks! We appreciate that!

[@lkae4]

The problem may never be fully fixed but I think it's more hype than anything. The engine will still last longer than your transmission and 95% of competitors. Only issue for me would be a smell of gas in the cabin. That would not be good.

[@tonydelcarte3103]

They can fail emissions tests and destroy your catalytic converter too! Look at the carfaxes and some CPO Hondas have failed emissions tests when 2 years old!

[@islandon22]

Last night I checked my oil (30k) and it stunk with gasoline. I change my Mobil 1 every 6000mi with OEM Filter. Made an appointment with Honda. Living in Southern Nevada, this should NOT be an issue. I've owned and sold many, many Hondas.

[@NeedsMoreToys]

So, “it’’s fixed” means they patched the problem to warm the engine faster. Check back in three years to find out if it’s dejavu.

[@Stormify5]

what do you mean "deja vu"? do you mean to say facelift is basically the same as prefacelift?

[@chodkowski01]

Look at all the used Honda’s for sale. They all have 30,000 along with the 1.5 direct injection. You hardly find any 2.0 port injection Honda’s for sale.

[@eddieyap2868]

Honda - Had One, Never Did Again

[@patriot8087]

Thank you for a great explanation of the oil dilution issue, now I understand.