Does Katja Need a REWORK Already? - Eternal Return

[@itzLeviVT]

Chartlotte video coming next! How are you enjoying Katja? Do you like playing her, do you like playing against her? More Eternal Return New Character Showcases: kzbin.info/aero/PLaBqZvm7umQKEid_fCwdSJTy8y8sZD8VX

[@chipichipiomo]

I think Katja only shines when the best of the best are playing her, or if she has the right team comp that not only fits well synergistically, but also need her teammates to constantly peel for her. I think she maybe needs some sort of passive to help her survivability since that is the biggest issue with her IMO

[@itzLeviVT]

Yea I agree. I think there's something to be said about all that if she needs all that though. Like if you're going to take the time to build a comp around her why not just build a comp around a better carry yanno?

[@engi4055]

ever since her relise ive really enjoyed playing katja, i love her really long range on every ability and the vison, but recently ive understood that 90% of the time id rather pick rio than katja if i want to win in ranked, katjas vision and longer range is nice, but rio has a lot better survivavl if someone jumps on you, a lot better dps, and better at playing with randoms. personally my biggest problem with katja is that if anyone starts chasing you any your team isnt there, you cant do anything, her mobility is really weak and has a long cooldown, she cant attack back cause of her slow attack speed, and the has no way to slow down anyone chasing her (other than the 3 but that is also her mobility you cant rely on the slow always). if either give her a small slow on her Q or just make E an actually good movement ability, maybe buffing the speedboost of you get when hitting someone with it.

[@itzLeviVT]

Fully agree!

[@eynephets7238]

As a new player I was having a tough time trying to make Katja work. I've switched to a support Theodore, and feel like I'm contributing much more.

[@itzLeviVT]

I can imagine. On both characters ideally you'll want to stay alive as long as possible, but once you get your initial burst combo off on theodore, its less important than Katja!

[@monkey3101]

Yes she does. Issue is if she’s too good she’s very frustrating as a high range low skill marksman, a lot of point and click dmg and her passive is both great into tanks and squishies. It also enables an armor pen build which may not be optimal but very draining to play against for some characters

[@ouijarealm]

As an eleven main I have decent success with katja on my team, I can jump in and get my earthquake skill off and taunt which allows katja to have an easy follow up

[@itzLeviVT]

Tanks + Marksman YESSIR

[@OurJynx]

As someone who fell in love with Katja ever since I laid eyes on her, I played 100 games straight and feel like I got a comfortable grip on her with pretty decent success (52% Win rate in Ranked, onetricked from Bronze to Gold , and 58% in norms). If I can lend my two cents, it's that I think Katja doesn't neccesarily need a huge rework - her strengths are her range, utility and potential for burst at a distance with no ramp time unlike William and such. She moreso needs little QoL changes and adjustments on her Q and ult (the things that incentivise distance and proper positioning) to make them a little more valuable. I wouldn't personally know what to change for Q besides giving her some more steroids or bonuses for landing max Qs (like attack speed or something), but R - more often than not - may as well be called "Summon Daniel", given how it reveals your position and locks you down for up to two seconds. She feels like she'd be difficult for new players (given her lower stats and such, it's likely the case) given her dependancy on positioning and skills that get blocked by frontlines, but with that said, it'd be nice to have said positioning be rewarded more, like max range Q and ult, as mentioned before. Honestly, I'd probably put more into making her Pen builds more fun and volitile (scaling with armour pen or something) since it feels like how I imagined she was going to play on first look, and it makes her feel a lot more unique and a genuine threat. (I've hit a Nadine for 1200 damage through 108 armour with a 3rd shot enhanced by Strider, and that sent me to heaven.) That said, I still love my little owl girl, and no matter how they change her, I'll still continue to do so. 🦉

[@itzLeviVT]

Appreciate the insight Jynx! Thanks for sharing! From the very little I've played of her so far I've kind of felt the same way. Not really feeling rewarded for proper plays and heavily punished for misplays. I'm sure there's a balance to be achieved somewhere.

[@kaiserjarme1533]

Question: Does Katja need a rework right now? Simple: Yes Note: As for her Passive Skill (it's arguable to take away the credit gain from corpses, but instead a scaling to her power by every time she inspects or kills an enemy player's body). This correlated to her sniper backstory (ensuring her target is dead and that her loneliness gives her power) Explanation: Because of the current patch that came out 1-2 weeks ago (prior to this comment), Katja is already quite weak. Levi pointed out one of the best weaknesses that Katja has, her [E, D and R] skill. Her [R and D] makes her the most vulnerable because she is idle in her sniping position along with her D skill. As for her E skill, it is able to sustain her for a short amount of time before she is chased by the enemy team or player (keep her availability to pass through walls). From my experience in both [Ranked and Normal Matches], she is completely useless when it comes to Assassins (Daniel) as mentioned in the video. Other assassins include Tsubame (Single-Marksman DPS), Jackie (same as Tsubame) and Shoichi (Burst Mage/Assassin - probably one of the hardest ones to get away from). (Forgot Kathy and others) I actually fought against a Katja, Lenox, Jackie Team vs. Markus, Charlotte and Aya last night. What I learned about my fight with Katja is this: (Game ID of the game: 34485036) 1) the importance of distance 2) team aggro/comps 3) avoiding unnecessary match-ups or fights (as well as environmental awareness). Reasoning: 1) Snipers deal dmg from distances that don't get them too close in battle, but give them the range to go in and out of fights, so don't always be running around in the front. 2) If the team comp that she parties with does not have some sort of taunter (eleven/mai), cc (crowd control), peel or secondary burst carry (the team falls apart) - this is not always the case (take it with a grind of salt). But, every time Katja is made as the carry in a team it usually does not go too well. 3) Picking your fights carefully will actually lead to some dangerous teams that could pose as a threat to you disappear, only if you let other teams take care of them for you or get higher lv's/gear/skill. It is also important to have awareness of where you take your fights in: close, narrow and straight areas are one of the worst place your team can fight in if you are katja just because it's harder to escape when there are no obstacles to give you space/distance. (For example: Vanya, Shoichi, Kathy, Debi/Mari, and Markus' Ult are very strong in straight lined areas, to name a few). Comp Suggestion: The best way to make a reasonable team comp with katja is, to have another dps teammate become the carry or is a [burst mage/marksman/assassin/ bruiser] for the character they pick. The Katja, Jackie, Lenox team is one example, of a reasonable team comp, the problem with how the team fight ended, versus Markus, Charlotte, Aya, is that Jackie was not the main carry, but Katja. (I believe Katja must be a secondary carry, not the main 1st one). Additionally, it's very important that if a Katja player is leading the team, the tank must always be in front, as you can probably assume know what happened with the J,K,L v.s M,A,C fight I mentioned. As for the tank position, it's important for that teammate to have taunts, peel or cc skills in order to stop the advancement of the enemy team. Conclusion Overall, if a teammate does decide to go Katja, be ready to carry the team (other DPS/Bruiser), have a sustainable/peel-able tank and IF THERE IS A HEALER AVOID Katja. If NN is arguing on how to change Katja, I feel that giving a stun effect (not slow) on her E would do some wonders, as for her Q (atk spd/movement spd inc. more) not (reload) could be better, if she hits an enemy. As for her R (NN should have an interupt animation where Katja can cancel her R and either (F/E skill) out from danger. If katja is interupted or is avoiding an enemy (while in animation of her R skill) by pressing either (E/F skill) there is no stun given to the enemy that is hit by the E skill. Instead, she takes less dmg (10-20%) and if she did shot someone but evaded (in her R animation) the targetted enemy will receive 50% less dmg than the original amount. - IGN: RemnantK That's what I think should happen next patch for Katja. Still would love to play her if she is given the changes she needs.

[@itzLeviVT]

Lot of good info here that I can agree with! Thanks for taking the time to share

[@kaiserjarme1533]

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[@Kinguito]

I think NN needs to try some changes before an actual rework on the character Like increasing the damage for long distance Q hits, a max range Q shouldn't be doing less than a right click that's just silly Increasing the range on R to improve consistency since opening a fight with a 3 man R can give a huge advantage to the team, while also allowing for the enemy team to choose who take the shoots, in most scenarios For W a faster projectile speed would be welcome And E is fine as it is, it's ok to have "weak" skills on a character, it helps highlight the weakness of said character and give a stronger identity to them

[@itzLeviVT]

I think its fine for her Q to do less as a crit character. That's kinda the whole gimmick to crit characters vs AP characters. I do think it should maybe have some other benefits to it tho ya

[@MostMoba]

katja ~j~ almost not read and use to soften ~k~ just use google translate and enter катя (katja) i m sorry but that how you read her name make me crying also i m not play much katja but... since my game is unbelivable laggy (50-80 ping btw) hitting any skillshots is hard. katja is like best sniper rifle user in game rn bcs your auto that deal pretty good dmg . only thing that i miss is slightly wider hitboxes on weapon skill and q )

[@itzLeviVT]

I used to pronounce it like "ka-tee-ya" but someone told me to pronounce it like Katja so its just stuck in my head like that now oops

[@chipichipiomo]

I feel your pain, everyone in the ER community has just picked up calling her “cat-jah” for some reason despite all the official videos pronouncing it the correct way. Like a funny Mandela effect 😅

[@blackomega34]

Her last name is Hertz so I assume it's the german pronunciation.

[@jonhill712]

It's weird because I've actually met some one named Katja IRL who pronounced it "cot-jah"

[@soixev6330]

I think that Katja is pretty fine in terms of kit design, her kit is pretty intuitive for what she's suppose to do. I think that if NN have to change her maybe make her a more hard hitting marksman rather that a fast hitting one. Personnally, I tend to not like Marksman in moba, and that goes for those of ER, i used to play Chloe Mage before season one but stopped. Katja is the first marksman that I really like and would want to improve on.

[@itzLeviVT]

Yea that makes sense! I think if they turned her into a more sniper character that utilized blackfire cannon and could play around vision better she would fit. I just think her tools don't reflect her role in a team comp.

[@FishyFishy_]

I've put a ton of time into her and onetricked her into Mythril. IMO she's good in scrim / tournament lobbies due to her vision control. But that won't quite cut it in solo q. She definitely has unique features in her abilites (huge upfront damage and the buffer tech on her E are both VERY interesting), so I just wish they'd move dmg from autos into her Q as a control tool skillshot or make her ultimate less awkward. As it is, it's 99% unusable mid-fight and only good to execute characters or start a fight with poke. The pen build feels much more like a unique character, sadly it's just way inferior to her ADC build which is a worse version of most other ADC chars like you've said. As shes lacking steroids or other features. It's rather sad that they're forcing her into this pure adc role where she's just much more boring than she could be.

[@itzLeviVT]

I really like this take on her. Thank you for this. I can see how she performs much better in a scrim or even just a less chaotic environment. I imagine you probably had a harder time with the mythril climb than in scrims despite playing against better people in scrims.

[@FishyFishy_]

@@itzLeviVT Early on I could climb really fast and consistenly on her. But turns out it was mostly just the char being new and many ppl not knowing the matchup. Now I struggle again trying to climb on her. Feel like she's rather dependant on having a good peeling tank like Lenox, Estelle etc. Definitely still very satisfying to play though, I just love her attack & skill sounds lol

[@justlyesnt3754]

1 bruiser sustain/Tank + Katja and Theo teamcomp is good ❤

[@itzLeviVT]

Will have to try it!

[@justlyesnt3754]

@@itzLeviVT (๑˃̵　ᴗ　˂̵)و Good luck, give them a headshot.

[@justlyesnt3754]

but, Use Kneepad on Katja so has chance to survive if got CC. Theodore will became support for Katja and Bruiser/Tank, let Katja shines in the battlefield. (ﾟ▽＾*)☆

[@kubafraszczyk7517]

Man, what is the name of the song in your intro? It's so fucking catchy! Also, glad your streaming career popped off and you can earn money like that. Maybe with that streaming money You will be able to fix the gahd damn link to your channel on twitter because it doesn't work xd

[@itzLeviVT]

It's called Sweet Quar by Fareeda Meer! Also just fixed it, thank you! Forgot KZbin updated how they do channel links now