Does Leo like MSI Project Zero? his first experience ...

[@KitGuruTech]

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[@cptwhite]

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[@LifeIsButaBluff]

It doesn't feel to me like manufacturers are fully committing to PZ\BTF concept, while the public are hesitating wondering if its a fad or the future standard. The concept seems great to me and frees up M\B surface space, time will tell........

[@rufusmctavish1164]

Yah I feel the same. We will see as you say.

[@sortingoutthebills-dy6td]

I dont think it will be a fad, but there is a use case against it IMO

[@Praireboy-hg8ip]

I hope it’s not a future standard but an option for people who don’t like cables.

[@gogopowerrangers6596]

I love it when cables look like part of a build but for newbies or people who just hate them completely it’s a cool option to buy. Don’t think it should cost a premium

[@sortingoutthebills-dy6td]

Really good system builders and modders will make Cables look fantastic. For the average person these project zero and similar systems will be good

[@ryanrichardson7285]

This Project Zero version is so much nicer than the previous board - very clean and well designed

[@QuentinStephens]

Thanks for showing us this board: it sure looks good in the case but it's a big no from me. The second PCIe slot is x1 so I can't plug in my x4 10 Gb ethernet card. And there's no power connector for the GPU. If you're going Project Zero then you need to go all the way, even if that connector just provides two 8 pin or one 12 pin PCIe power plugs (and ATX and larger boards need to provide one such connector for every x16 slot). Your observations about building out of the box were most astute. Hopefully there will be a cardboard base provided in the box in the future.

[@KitGuruTech]

I am clear the main customers for these motherboards are system integrators, rather than enthusiast home builders. Leo

[@Simplyswish-xx6wr]

good points, I agree.

[@rufusmctavish1164]

yeah its not perfect. I think ASUS have some better looking boards too tbh. and I hate admiting it

[@stickyfingers9710]

The board is pretty on an appearance level, but its quite limited in some areas.

[@sortingoutthebills-dy6td]

I want to see some ASUS board reviews here again. they usually have the best BIOSES, by some margin too

[@jamest484]

James featured build was fantastic, really impressed with it overall. stunning looking build - Nice look at the platform leo, enjoyed it

[@KitGuruTech]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jamest484]

@@KitGuruTech Welcome!

[@pogologo]

That is a very good processor, some good results - AMD are so strong right now and no CPU failures either!

[@lovingthelife804]

Thanks Leo, hadnt seen you in a while, hope you are well and cant wait for CES coverage !

[@KitGuruTech]

Thanks

[@lovingthelife804]

@@KitGuruTech Welcome!

[@YuasBirds]

Mine has been great (tower 300, 7800x3d, 7900xt), only stability issues I've encountered on my new system with this board were corrupt graphics drivers and that was windows' fault, and an easy fix. Really love to see more and more cases supporting these boards because it really seems intuitive to have the cables in the back.

[@Praireboy-hg8ip]

You Mean the MSI motherboard had been great ?

[@stickyfingers9710]

@@CaneCorsobabs-vj5rk Me too, excited about the upcoming product stack

[@EricDavidson-cx7bz]

The build looks great - very clean - I like the work leo on the testing as well, seems like its a good move forward

[@Eleanora577]

Leo looked really happy in this video - nice to see the man enjoying himself with new setup

[@KitGuruTech]

🤘🏻🍺

[@Eleanora577]

@@KitGuruTech

[@TGRREDYTFF]

That Project Zero board looks great - really good looking system build too - very clean

[@KitGuruTech]

Thanks!

[@canarychrome7012]

The builds with this board always look well, its a very neat solution I also like the simple black and white aesethic with a hint of grey for accenting

[@CapComa]

This is like putting a panel on your car that covers your ugly wheels. And then someone will ask you "But can you turn the wheels all the way?" And you answer "No, but you can't see my ugly wheels" ...

[@bobsmithson8592]

weird analogy man !

[@Itsameamario-ns3se]

LOL. funny post

[@CapComa]

Wheels are disgusting. They are constantly rubbing against the ground. Full of grime, dust and mud. ... Like wires in a PC. Disgusting

[@thetechdevil-jn1vo]

You don’t think some of the modders who make them look great is a good idea ?

[@CapComa]

2026 anyone will barely remember this

[@allensmall5448]

I agree with Leo, I am sold on this platform, 100% - looks epic when its finally built and you can hide all the cables so easily

[@KitGuruTech]

Glad to hear it

[@allensmall5448]

@@KitGuruTech Welcome!

[@DeepakKumarDeepakKumar-ec8mq]

Loved the video leo - I am officially in love with that graphics card !

[@KitGuruTech]

Glad you like it!

[@jamey89k83]

Leo, looking well ! Cant wait to see your Ryzen reviews coming up soon, not long now to wait

[@Wyatt775]

That is a stunning lookin case - looks great from the front and side, unlike many ive seen recently

[@Hudson234]

Leo is back - Hello Leo, hope you are well mate!

[@freddieholmes5581]

Ryzen 7 7770X - love that processor, have one myself, really good for gaming and general use - doesnt consume a ton of power either

[@Darknightsandwetdays-lb9ko]

Looking forward to see what MSI do next with the upcoming platforms too. they are on a roll this year

[@Blake846]

An early week Leo video, time for a cup of coffee and rich tea bikkie

[@sandraLopez901-h9g]

The case selection is quite small right now. i would hang fire until Q1 2025 and start planning a build - until the next gen platform settles and more people adopt this

[@Wilfred4815]

I wish more people would make GPUs that look this good, Sapphire really are AMDs number 1 partner

[@justinhowe8322]

Lovely job, thanks Leo

[@nicolasjoseph9446]

That case looks brilliant, defintely really shortlisting that one

[@grayson8414]

I am waiting on the Ryzen videos coming up - if they are as good as the mobile chips we are in for a treat

[@SammyBae-un9ni]

Nice to see these manufacturers still trying to push the industry forward.

[@Lina-cf6sy]

Looking forward to this becoming a future standard.

[@KitGuruTech]

It likely already is.

[@UNDERGROUNDHITRADIO]

i love it, looks so clean. Lets hope to see some XOC boards like this

[@KitGuruTech]

Hope so

[@domenico7561]

A leo video this week, I am a happy man

[@KitGuruTech]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@domenico7561]

@@KitGuruTech Welcome!

[@k..g..gamer...2558]

Interesting to see the discussion on how to build it, and how you need to think differently, I actually never thought about that until today, I can see the challenges

[@beppe524]

Thanks Leo - I think you enjoyed this build a lot, must be a life saver for videos, much less work doing routing of cables

[@KitGuruTech]

System integrators will be living the platform.

[@beppe524]

@@KitGuruTech Okay!

[@Shama-jf4qw]

Yeah thats a wicked looking PC - I am in love with that graphics card TBH

[@DavidLeBon-qq9vr]

Great looking motherboard and system build thanks

[@KitGuruTech]

Glad you like it!

[@BlaiseMiller14]

Project Zero is my next build, but I wouldnt use this generation of hardware. its all going to change soon, but this is a good showcase of the platform

[@VGShrine]

Would love to see Leo giving his opinion on the Intel instability issue for 13th/14th gen CPUs with a guide to tune them properly. Always sharing great content, thanks sir!!

[@KitGuruTech]

I have only worked with a small sample of those CPUs (less than 10) and don't feel I have anything to add, although it would be damn useful if Intel gave us a conclusive statement. Leo

[@mikepowell8044]

Would take me some time getting used to that motherboard, would definitely need to install the board in the case first before hooking it all up

[@powermaster5004]

Weird KZbin didn’t show me this video even though I am subbed. Enjoyed seeing your thoughts Leo.

[@KitGuruTech]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@iamahappybunny7640]

thanks Leo. Good to get your opinions. Only concern for me is the fiddly building phase it’s not how I’ve ever built systems

[@larwiemcdonnel5322]

Big move forward for most people. 👍🏻

[@Daniel-zl9im]

That GPU is epic - really beautiful - would look even better on a riser cable on show, but its still nice even from the side

[@mikemarshall2747]

Leo found what I did, install the board in the case first, then do everything else later

[@oliverh1920]

I hope AMD release a new range of killer cpus soon, and new boards from MSI, I want a build just like this, with white lighting to keep it simple, things got too complicated lately

[@pixelkid4]

Thats a great looking motherboard, same as the one James used recently, right?

[@joshuav.d.3777]

The BIOS looks a bit funky ! was expecting it to look a bit cleaner up close - great build, looked fab when done

[@KitGuruTech]

Thanks!

[@joshuav.d.3777]

@@KitGuruTech Welcome!

[@TohidAlam-yr2fu]

I like cables, its a fine art learning how to make them look better and route them properly in a system. hiding them seems good for newbies, but a cop out for experienced builders

[@Raul-id9gp]

That case is perfect for showing project zero and the lack of cables. Shame the AIO isnt one of those new ones with the hidden cables, that ruined the look a bit for me

[@anthonyward4654]

Why has it taken this long to get to this stage, I agree completely!

[@samshawn4887]

The Rear IO could do with a few more typec ports - two isnt enough - maybe just me

[@NoahLife97]

You're amazing Leo! I love your reviews

[@mr_sahil_ahirwar_]

I think this is ideal for system builders like Pcspecialist or cyberpower, or SCAN. I know a lot of people love doing custom cables in their rig - like car modders, getting the visual impact overall

[@emirmhd]

I have had good success with my MSI Intel board - its been really reliable and BIOS updates have been nice and semi regularly. been that good I havent updated my BIOS in a few months tbh

[@KitGuruTech]

Good to hear

[@JamesYoung24]

Thats it Im ripping out my crappy wires everywhere board and installing one of these.

[@stevenbryant8445]

That 7700X performs really well, great CPU - wish I had bought it now instead of my intel cpu which has tgiven me nothing but headaches since day 1

[@hothardwareforthewin-he4fz]

I really like the idea. Wondered why no one did it long ago.

[@KitGuruTech]

At least it’s here now

[@sleepy_dobe]

I love the concept. I'm hoping by the time I want to upgrade to a new build, there would be ATX "no-cables" motherboards and more cases available. Specifically, good airflow cases and a bit higher spec mobos.

[@RadheshyamMmx3yh]

Huge step forward for system builders, will be able to let a company produce a lot more systems every day and not have to worry about routing so much.

[@jameskane6273]

I see a Leo video, I click it

[@WarrenHernandez5833]

Great build Leo, you look like a happy man - also I didnt see any GPU sag in this build, which is a change, normally we have everything at half mast ruins the looks

[@KitGuruTech]

Cool, thanks

[@WarrenHernandez5833]

@@KitGuruTech Welciome!

[@Necromancerbob-zp7us]

Great looking system. Very very clean indeed 😮

[@KitGuruTech]

It really is!

[@Skobeloff...]

It needs to be thought about further, and standardised. I would like to see nvme drives on the back of the motherboard too, since they can be a pain to access due to the graphics card. Placing them on the back of the board may also allow them to be mounted perpendicular to the board to allow for sufficient/better cooling via airflow, this would be handy for gen5 drives, and into the future, if this form factor is continued.

[@bishopDavis2115]

Anyone else love that AIO at the top? looks mean from the side - do they make them in white?

[@billy9245]

I wish you would have did a noise test on the system, I know it wasnt about that, but would have helped me understand how it performsn and sounds under load

[@tjp4342]

Hope to see this become a standard across all motherboard manufacturers.

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

I’m not sure I’m sold. I like cable routing and seeing well managed cables. They add a nice look to the system. Was always wondering which way I would go. But as long as they don’t stop making traditional boards the options are good.

[@georgebrown2974]

Havent seen an MSI BIOS in years, thats a pretty nice layout, but its still not as good looking as an ASUS board IMO

[@justindavis7600]

I think it’s a great step to a cleaner looking system build

[@fredericknewman6338]

Wish I had one of these when I built my last system, took me hours to get it looking semi decent with all the cables on show. nightmare - this is long overdue

[@KitGuruTech]

Sounds like you have your next upgrade already ahead of you 👍🏻

[@fredericknewman6338]

@@KitGuruTech Yes!!!

[@Linuxdistro15-ih8ox]

Yeah im in two minds - I like the cable management idea, but when I think back, some of the finest systems ive seen here on Kitguru or elsewhere have had some amazing looking cable design and routing.

[@KitGuruTech]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏻

[@plasticpippo201]

i like seeing cables in my pc. and i love to find ways to cable manage my build so it looks nice. it is part of the diy pcs

[@KitGuruTech]

A lot of people will not be using these new boards. You are not alone

[@plasticpippo201]

@@KitGuruTech i would not want it to become the standard :)

[@animalyze7120]

I don't require meds so the build looks great but is not worth the premium price. I'm fine with a few wires running about, once the newness is gone and the prices drop it may be worth looking into. Great review and testing!

[@antonjoantonjo5719]

So clean!

[@KitGuruTech]

Very!

[@SanjayBaiga-hd2vj]

The project zero version of this board looks so much better than the standard version IMO

[@ianhumphrey6742]

It's likely back connector motherboards/cases will only be an option with dual chamber cases because of the extra space required to plug all the cables into the back of the motherboard.

[@harleylover9446]

Surprised Leo hasnt talked about Intel's issues right now, was waiting patiently for his take on it all in a new leo says.

[@euphoria842]

Personally I like having cables - It's an opportunity to add more colours to a build in the form of custom extensions.

[@KitGuruTech]

A few people had said this. Thanks for the input.

[@basudevkumar5603]

I think motherboard manufacturers will make boxes reversible so people can do some building on them before putting them into the case, for ease of use

[@geofftatesmate7748]

That gpu looks delightful. Very appealing 🍪😊

[@Aswhin-vf6gn]

So so clean, could eat your dinner off it - the heatsinks look good, decent little board that. Weird seeing power connectors and headers on the back of the board.

[@kelvinjinxd]

The pcie slot layout is better than msi b650m gaming plus WiFi. The primary slot is at the most top position. It supports huge size gpu without a problem.

[@FrankLeCross-fo5kr]

The board support isnt bad checking their compatibility list right now - could build a new system with this nicely, but its too close to a new launch from both companies, would rather wait and see whats around the corner.

[@fletcher3431]

Anyone know where to get this case? i like it a lot, did you review it Leo?

[@michaeldigtheme2337]

That backplane has got literally every connector youd ever need. Only problem is that area will become very untidy in comparison to the clean insides.

[@user-co7me8gb3o]

Did you use to wear glasses Leo only found your channel recently and watched some old videos. I love that case, really good looking when its built up

[@chickenTeriyakiboy]

looks great

[@KitGuruTech]

👍🏻

[@Emperor.Arasaka]

In the future, your PC case would just be Holographic LCD screens where you can project whatever 3D internals you desire

[@Novasuper-jm5zy]

I dont know why they dont make this a common standard across the industry.

[@AsadulIslam-sn3wi]

The question is, would Leo stick to a traditional build for his own rig, or would he just something like Project Zero. I would like to see some of the new boards from Gigabyte and ASUS as well

[@Ntense___]

Maybe im old school but i dont like the mess of all the cables in the back. Also I like the og of putting stuff on board and testing before I put it in the case. If the industry goes this route I may eventually get used to it but currently not going to happen for me.

[@birsinghmunda7477]

I have that processor, i love it. massive upgrade for me over my last intel system. I love this project zero stuff - are you going to look at gigabyte and ASUS stuff too?

[@JAMANI-po3jv]

You wouldnt think it but you can actually see the difference in fluidity between 60fps and 100+ fps.

[@trevinowoods9602]

Really wouldnt expect to find anything in the BIOS that relates to the motherboard connector layout.

[@markod7662]

I like the idea of hiding all the cable clutter and i expected the gpu cables to run from the back too since they are the only visible cables when cable management is done right. My question is: is it much easier for a first time builder to build with this motherboard and case?

[@Kapono5150]

It’s never been a better time to jump on AM5 Platform.

[@drewnewby]

I'm still doing new builds for customers in their older cases with small back chambers. Some still use cases with no back chambers at all (I even use these, as mine are aluminium) If the boards had no additional cost and all the new cases used the standard, it'd be fine. Unfortunately, even some examples have been done poorly, and damage the cables. It needs more time and refinement.

[@KitGuruTech]

Thanks for your thoughts

[@drewnewby]

@KitGuruTech In total agreement though, "entirely unnatural, yet makes perfect sense". With so many flash in the pants case focused changes, it's refreshing to see one that might have some longevity. I'm still haven't quite gotten used to tower cases, or bottom mounted PSUs, even after working on them for decades.

[@StefanShiak]

It’s the correct way to build a PC. Standards like ATX etc have held it back.

[@nightcorepeter]

Did that system make a lot of noise? hard to tell from the video

[@Mikele-fs8vd]

Lol this is the ultimate sweep it under the carper style of cable management.

[@johnerikson2443]

It’s a great idea. Not for everyone of course based on comments here.

[@KitGuruTech]

Seems split

[@RobertWilliams776-c9k]

Install looks a bit fiddly, apart from that, I love it all

[@KitGuruTech]

Good to hear thanks

[@RobertWilliams776-c9k]

@@KitGuruTech Welcome!