Microsoft Is KILLING Windows | ft. Steve @GamersNexus

[@GamersNexus]

How naive we were, to not know that the Intel discussion we had filmed a day prior would then take over our lives for the next few weeks.

[@billlodhia5640]

Extremely naive! Some dude on Reddit is asking “Where’s Steve?!” With all the developments happening… I’m not that guy though

[@NinjaQuick]

Switch to linux even on just one of your systems. it might slow production down but see what your team uses and prefers.

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

Thanks Steve

[@ruineka_one]

Any chance of you and the GamerNexus team taking a deep look into the user experience on Linux? I think this is something that is on a lot of people's minds, but there are really no mainstream tech tubers who really cover the progress updates in an informed manner.

[@progste]

This is just as important to be honest.

[@Prizm44]

1:15 "Adversarial" is a good word. Windows used to be a neutral-ish experience, whose worst inclination was trying to get you to use Internet Explorer. Now every popup and setting has an ulterior motive that I have to constantly guard against. Like a freeware installer that is constantly trying to trick me into installing spyware.

[@subrezon]

You put my feelings about Windows into words when I couldn't. Now I realize why using Windows is sooo exhausting - it's maintaining vigilance and attention to avoid putting half of your computer into the cloud or have some spyware garbage installed on your system.

[@hubertnnn]

Just like the old toolbar installers everywhere

[@S1lentSt0rm]

Pretty apt description

[@joeturner8184]

What's up 90's dudes.

[@brianperry4815]

@priszm Kinda sad that 30 years ago Microsoft was a great software company that made games and programs like Money which made life better for all. Now they just want to be the Master Control Program.

[@IshayuG]

Calling Windows adversarial is exactly the right term. Whereas mac or Linux asks and turns features off if you say no, Windows will INSIST if you’re not doing what it wants you to do. Just constant badgering until you fall in line. It’s nightmarish.

[@nordicbastard2328]

Even beyond that, it'll revert your purposeful changes, you truly only lease Windows, and they will force changes on you regardless of your previous choices. Adversarial is right!

[@finneogan]

Their master plan for user experience is HAL.

[@Fay7666]

And it'll force an account on you. While Google / Apple virtually do it for functionality, they don't actually force it and you can just skip account creation and stick to Safari or F-Droid. Microsoft whom have a lesser functionality need, will not let you not have an account.

[@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69]

MacOS is pretty hostile to power users. Making devs pay for a license, hiding advance customizations behind CL (even something as simple as turning off mouse acceleration).

[@guai9632]

mac doesn't even bother to ask

[@indy197905]

Microsoft finally convinced me to switch to linux. Ty Microsoft.👍

[@KlodFather]

For both my Apple and Microsoft machines. Makes everything compatible and gets rid of all the Forkery.

[@lovol2]

Me too. At my limit with win 11. Been testing POPOS today for exactly this reason.

[@larskeilbach8494]

Me too - started with Win 3.11 and Windows 11 convinced me to try Pop!OS one year ago, never looked back to Windows

[@RomainDelmaire]

Same here. I switched a few months ago...quite a bit of distro hoping at the beginning but once I landed on Arch + Hyprland, I never looked back. Linux has become way more beginner friendly than what a lot of people are making it out to be. I could never go back to Windows now.

[@darsparx]

Yep did the switch back in 2017 and haven't looked back. It's just gotten better. The few games I can't play now I don't really care about as much as I thought I would minus mabinogi. Everything else usually just works even if there's features I wish would get more developed to convince people to switch sooner than later 😅

[@lolkthnxbai]

Even though im an American i actually set my location to europe when i had to install windows recently because EU regulations fixes 90% of the issues. I can actually uninstall one drive and edge! It's insane that it takes government regulation to fix these issues.

[@babajaiy8246]

Haha...thanks for mentioning that....already starting to migrate to Linux...but am keeping one leg in the windows domain for some purposes - will have to try that.

[@Pacho18]

CEOs point at us saying that we'll be left behind bc of regulations. I say we are the only "free" continent left (excluding Rusia).

[@michaelgleason4791]

Government regulation allowed Microsoft to get as big as it is. It's almost as if the US government spends a lot of money on Microsoft products.

[@Maverick00555]

That is a great idea

[@vram1974]

Lol I bet they start hard checking the location and patch that out at some point.

[@SquaresToOvals]

Took me 11 minutes to realize they are NOT at a bowling alley :0

[@handlemonium]

They're at the personal computing privacy stripping alley.

[@Jordansklar0698]

Same lol

[@cliffordcooley1273]

They referenced the other computers in the building at 30 seconds.

[@somefox949]

@@cliffordcooley1273 POS systems and score keeping. WOWZA gutter BALLS!!! pew pew pew

[@TB191]

It took me until i read this comment

[@PwnySlaystation01]

God... When Discord is the "gold standard" for messaging apps, we've really hit peak enshittification

[@potatoes5829]

fo real

[@-Good4Y0u]

The android mobile app is actual trash too

[@noscopesallowed8128]

I refuse to use Discord lmao

[@nfugitt89]

Shitty web app in a container that takes forever to open like it's 1995

[@zsh7862]

Discord is like unironically garbage, just in terms of general stability and usability and that is ignoring all the privacy concerns one might have with it. I can just imagine how bad Teams must be then.

[@Nightowl427272]

Moving from Windows 7 to Windows 10 was an adjustment. Moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11 is a dealbreaker. I now officially hate windows and use it begrudgingly…while looking to do away with it entirely.

[@alexkt3400]

As a guy that loved the win7 interface, may I suggest giving Linux Mint a shot? Easiest install you've ever seen, will automagically setup your boot loader ao you can use both OS's (every distro does this) and it will feel familiar to you. No annoying side and top panels, just a plain old bottom taskbar with the "start" menu button on the left corner.

[@kentslocum]

I feel the same regarding Quickbooks. Intuit has been inexorably pushing us bookkeepers towards a buggy, adeversarial online experience. I'm now preparing to completely move my company away from using Quickbooks. 😊

[@Hatch3dLabs]

Agreed! Linux Mint is now my new OS on about 3 or 4 PCs. Still have 4 more PCs to figure out. But I LOVE Linux Mint. Windows 11 wants too much.

[@video-carl]

For me it's been Mac System 6, Windows 3, 3.1, 95, NT, XP, 7, 10, Mac OS

[@grimsonforce7504]

@@alexkt3400 I swear there's always a mint linux person. Geez. Anyway these programs don't run the graphic design software I need. Plus they have their own set of issues. Right not still using win 7 until I can't anymore.

[@gorgonbert]

Obligatory „You will own nothing and be happy“ comment

[@PRIMARYATIAS]

Switch operating systems… Use micro controllers… We can alleviate the problem. BlackRock OWNS the world !

[@vincei4252]

Eat your Boogs and be happy.

[@davidhines7592]

thing is, if i dont own it, i will begin charging rent to microsoft for it being on my storage minus a usage fee. or they can just acknowledge i bought it and the key involved.

[@who2u333]

The "you will own nothing" they will force upon you. The 'and be happy", they really don't care about. That is the marketing part, Like "this merger won't cause layoffs". By the time it happens, it will be too late to matter.

[@kBitre]

Bets are on if CBCD's are coerced on us by 2030, which means theyre planning on destroying the dollar through brics or any other patsy

[@NothingCoherent]

The breaking point for me was when I bought a Steam Deck and realized I didn't need Windows to game. I hope Valve goes all in on this thing and fully takes over the pc gaming segment.

[@Gettenhart]

Can steamOS be installed on a common desktop?

[@231pilot]

@@Gettenhart Steam/Proton will run on any Linux Distro like Mint Cinnamon, Debian, or Ubuntu. Functionally the same as SteamOS but with good forums and tons of help available.

[@M8Military]

​@@Gettenhartyou can use most any distro to get the same (proton) functionality with steam

[@renegade4dio]

@@Gettenhart I'd not recommend SteamOS(but I'd also not in any way say it's a BAD idea). I'd recommend a Full Main-line Distro Linux install + Lutris + Steam. Steam makes running Steam games pretty easy (sometimes you need to "force proton experimental" to get a game to go that hasn't made it onto the Steam approved list yet), and Lutris can then access and use Proton from Steam to easily install non-steam windows games. Currently, using Linux Mint 22 + Lutris + Steam my success rate on making Windows games run is > 80%.

[@Gadtkaz]

​@@Gettenhartbazzite is what youre looking for. Valve (still) hasnt released a standalone steamOS iso but bazzite should navigate exactly like the steamdeck.

[@cal2127]

its been a steady water slide to hell since the peak at windows 7.

[@Superkuh2]

A bumpy water slide to hell since Win2k. XP was the first sign of the decline.

[@randomdestructn]

Windows 2000 was the peak IMO. It was stable, lean, and added a bunch of features over 98/me. It's the last version I ran on my personal devices.

[@CNC-Time-Lapse]

@@randomdestructn I miss those days. Windows 2000 just felt awesome to have installed. Every time I saw that logo, I got excited about using my computer... now I see the Windows logo and I feel depress and have that nagging feeling like I owe someone money.

[@lucasljs1545]

And Windows 7 is only phasing out because Microsoft is intentionally putting malware on public APIs that blocks windows 7. The programs won't work on windows if some file they put there is present. It will give DLL error, remove or edit that file and it works normally. The hard part is finding that file.

[@arnox4554]

@@lucasljs1545 Source? I'm running Windows 8.1 Professional still and doing just fine, though admittedly, I don't use it for much at the moment and it's about to be decommissioned soon for MX Linux.

[@chadhartsees]

Adversarial is a good description. I have so many fond memories of customizing my Windows 98 and Windows XP systems - the look, where menus were, the color of the menu bar... and so much of that customization has been lost even though the computer and the graphical fidelity capabilities are so much higher. I always thought the draw of a Windows PC was you could make it your own. We should be in the era of Windows Home Server and yet... no.

[@Matthew-ir1ed]

The blatant disrespect for user choice, user privacy, and user security finally made me switch to Linux yesterday

[@RK-um9tu]

No one cares. Linux has 2% market share...lol

[@Matthew-ir1ed]

​@@RK-um9tuspoken like a true ignorant fanboy

[@dzhups]

@@RK-um9tu 4,5%. stop stating outdated info

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@RK-um9tu lol. The Linux market share that keeps growing because of anti-consumer policies like this. I switched full time back around 2017 because Windows 10 was downloading/uploading without my knowledge, much less consent. I only found out because it ran up my data allowance once when I didn't have Wifi. The number of users willing to switch keeps growing because Microsoft has abandoned user friendliness and respect in order to push profits, and that will ALWAYS backfire eventually.

[@DrezKill]

I had been using Linux as a secondary/fucking-around OS since the early 2000s, but it was in 2022 when I finally switched to it being my main OS. And I haven't looked back. I still keep Windows around for just a scant few things, but 98% of my PC usage is strictly Linux now.

[@maxmouse3]

Absolutely agree. I just want no telemetry, no microsoft account , no ads and no bad services. I already paid for a license. Oh and don't even THINK of opening Edge. Every month it will ask you to make it the default, use bing and etc

[@crash.override]

IIRC, that nag wizard is tied into occasional Windows Updates. There's actually a setting to permanently disable it, but in true M$ fashion, its description is deliberately vague & misleading. To say nothing of the other nags that can only be disabled via regedit / Group Policy 🤬

[@danilaros]

I think that you just want no migrate to Linux 😄

[@MightyCats2011]

I dont mind the microsoft account. I dont want to pay for OneDrive. I dont like Windows filling up OneDrive then say to increase past 5GB storage u need to pay monthly fee. Then Office becoming a yearly sub. Then ads on Windows.

[@MrJinRoh]

Edge is faster than chromium based browsers and it has features that suspend processes

[@SkylineFTW97]

​@@MrJinRohEdge is chromium based.

[@candyczar]

WINE & Proton are perfect examples of how consistently working on something over time can yield great results. Consistency over time is a super power.

[@dragotix8442]

but the performance is still worse, but native linux games run most of the times faster than on windows

[@kitsune-chan6897]

@@dragotix8442 there are actually certain windows games (especially older ones) that run better under proton

[@babajaiy8246]

"Wine" - lol....no matter how well something can run as a 'top layer' - it can always run better without that layer.

[@notatypobrutha]

@@babajaiy8246yea but if you’re running wine on a windows machine then um why? It’s an amazing tool on android and Linux based Chromebooks. I run my android in Samsung dex mode connected to a display running WINE and it’s more immersive than on Chromebook. I can decrypt my totally legally obtained switch roms running windows programs on my Android(please don’t sue me Nintendo). I was able to use FLIRC windows application and an usb hub to program my Flirc usb IR receiver. Unpack a ps2 ISO , download pc mods and manually replace files to mod the game and then repacking the ISO and play GTA SA ps2 zombies mod with emulator. It’s a great tool when I needed a pc and didn’t have one

[@Tetracera.]

a good 90% of my steam library works with proton, and most of my older non steam games work if i use steam or lutris as a launcher for them. just like 3 years ago less then 30% of the games i had worked so it's improved quite alot.

[@_Mutineer]

I'm an OG PC user, first PC in 1983. Nowadays, I buy a refurbed PC (for cheap) when I need one, and install my trusty old Win7 Ultimate. I have a ton of old-ish productivity apps like MS Office and Adobe stuff that have ALL of the functionality that I need and do not need an online account to function, I can run oldish games for when I'm bored and Firefox fits the bill for any web based stuff I need. I use Outlook 2007 for email and DO NOT run any anti-virus or anti-malware crap, because if you have a clue they are unnecessary. I have about 12 Tb of external storage and I've been running this way for about a decade and have had ZERO issues. So go ahead MS, I will keep running this rig until you find some way to kill it off, I will NEVER run any windows version after 7, I want my PC to do what I want, NOT what it forces me to do, and I only want Corporations to know what I want them to know about me. Call me old-fashioned, but IMHO, if it ain't broke don't fix it, newer does NOT automatically equal better.

[@pyepye-io4vu]

It's fine as long as you use it off-line. Going online on Win 7 will get you hacked bad.

[@lineax5927]

Yeah definitly not what i would recommend but i respect the choice of a user in comparision to ms

[@_Mutineer]

@@pyepye-io4vu Respectfully, totally not true, sounds like MS disinfo. I have spent years online with Win7 daily, and actually, MOST of my day is online on YT. If you are smart and do not engage in questionable activities, the only way to get "hacked bad" is by doing something dumb. My long experience with computers (1983 first pc, consumer internet beginnings in 1995) helps a lot to be sure, but like anything else, self-education is tremendously helpful and can sheild you from disinfo as you mention about win7 only off-line. That is not the case.

[@_Mutineer]

@@lineax5927 yeah, I would not use this rig for work, but for me as an OG, it does everything that I need, with zero issues. Screw MS data collection.

[@tirdkat6104]

I will NEVER, EVER create an online account just to use my own computer.

[@RadikAlice]

Online or local makes no difference, still beholden to the EULA that allows them to take Windows away from you whenever they please

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

@@RadikAlice EULA´s are meaningless and legally unenforceable at least in the EU.

[@cokeweasel1064]

​@@RadikAlice Which is exactly why I pirate windows and will continue to do so

[@RadikAlice]

@@cokeweasel1064 If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing

[@hubertnnn]

@@RadikAlice The difference is that if M$ ever goes bankroupt or stops supporting your version of windows, with offline account you will still be able to use your computer.

[@MarshallMims]

I've been working in IT for about 25 years now, Starting with Windows 98, and Windows 11 has been the biggest push for me into Linux. I've tried to daily drive a pile of different distros, and I'm currently daily driving Linux Mint on my Desktop at work, laptop and desktop at home. Before Linux Mint was running Fedora for several months, but have been on Mint now for like a year. Their native easy flatpack support is fantastic. At work, we use Office 365 and there are now flatpacks available for edge, teams, and outlook. Makes the transition in corporate life much easier.

[@bronanu201]

LoL when i started work in the IT industry windows came out with 2.0 I had the first machines ( read simple devices) like the sharp computer which you had to type everything into it and could print it on the tiny build in mini size printer a bit later the first apple and of course the Commodore and others i have forgot how they where named all now mostly in musea Which where almost useless till the serious hardware came from the Z80 from that moment i got into the IT industry as i was constant digging deeper into hardware/os when the x86 family started and soon enough ended into the big corporate world as the tech wiz who solved problems and lol was capable of letting big hardware vendors, like DEC that their hardware could never be used with 6 pci-slots unless they could be made slave or master and still pointed them that even if they would be capable it would not work as the bus at that moment was not capable to process the insane amount of data coming from and to the fat cards we needed to be installed Hence a few years later EISA was born :D The most annoying was that they never ever have rewarded me for finding the issues and gave the solution in words for their problems. Anyway i am glad to be out of that world and just enjoy nice things in my life.

[@gregf9160]

"Microsoft Is KILLING Windows" I wish they would hurry the hell up ...

[@SergioEduP]

Any way we can help? Maybe sending supportive messages to the devs and exect to "keep up the good work" will make it faster.

[@Space_Rat1]

that wouldn't be good since there is no better alternative for it, for PC at least

[@costa-w3k]

yeeeah i think i'll witch to linux while windows will be too bad to keep up

[@Acuas]

There is nothing to go to if Windows goes away, none of the other OS have the same compatibility on software, until there is the same support for software on all OS, you won't ever see a change in the amount of people that use windows, I won't ever stop using Windows, as long as I can't just start my PC, and click Play without having to worry if something won't work.

[@sprockkets]

Then all the lemmings will go to apple. Which is in many ways, even worse. What I hate is the simple fact that Intel can f up several times but still manages to sell like what, 100x the cpus AMD can.

[@neildees1761]

The Recall feature was the last straw for me. I'm dropping all of these companies and going to Linux. I'm done with Windows, Adobe, Google, Outlook, etc...

[@Self-Signed]

Copilot was the last straw. Went Linux on everything I could about a month ago, and can't believe I didn't sooner.

[@moldyshishkabob]

How has that gone for you? What distro are you using? I'm at the tipping point and am wanting to snag an old beater of a machine to tinker with Linux before moving my personal rig over.

[@RTheren]

GG. Welcome to the penguin side.

[@General_Cap]

I'm sticking with windows. Every distro I've tried has been a pain in the ass to work with and none of them suit my use case. Not to mention the whole snap debacle and other issues the os brings.

[@Elekshjaksmsjsksmmsmssm]

I did this too. Went to Mint and its great. ​@@moldyshishkabob

[@cats4president]

@@moldyshishkabob don't us an old machine, you will have a bad experience and think it's because of linux, while it's simply because you're using old hardware.

[@RayBellis]

There's a reason there's no "My Computer" icon any more - they're not ours any more. They're Microsoft's!

[@autohmae]

People should stop calling it a PC: personal computer, no more. Also not private computer.

[@gmonkman]

lol, best comment

[@milesduheaume203]

So true, sadly. It's the death of 'Computer Love',

[@krazownik3139]

That's why in mine it's /home

[@abaddon1371]

Because of an icon? lol. If you can't figure out how to place icons on your desktop, that's on you mate. It is about as stupid as complaining your favorite program have changed logo or some shit. You do know, that "My Computer" was just renamed to "This PC" right?

[@6Twisted]

I'm switching to Linux soon. Sick of Microsoft ramming everything down our throat and disabling everything.

[@antoniohillario9770]

It's amazing how many people are saying that. You'd think Microsoft would get a clue but it wouldn't be the first time they lost market share by blindly trudging ahead.

[@Ogden741]

I've been daily driving Ubuntu Budgie for the last 3 years, at least. Just gonna say it wasn't all that great in the beginning, but it kind of is now? I mean, if only UI was more coherent app to app (and login screen would use the same driver as the desktop uses later), it'd be pretty perfect. Biggest gripe so far was, unsurprisingly, with gpu drivers - bricked my system literally in the first day. As for general work (e.g. PyCharm, other random notepady stuff, GIMP, Blender, TeX or Shotcut) it's in some cases better than what I remember from when on Win. Games - due to Proton, even some of old games I really enjoyed *a lot* of time ago work (which I cannot say about W10). Tl;dr - just don't be afraid of using the terminal from time to time and be prepared for slight mishaps. Oh, and importantly, choose distro that is actually supported.

[@stylis666]

@tecTitus True, and I've tried it then and it was too much of a hassle, but the internet was also not very accessible for many people. It's much easier now to actually use Linux for everything. And Windows wasn't all that bad back then either. But I share the pessimism. I'm guessing that many people will give Linux a try and find it takes a lot of learning and looking up to get things to work and people just rather pay Microsoft a subscription for them to fix their crap so at least they can read their email and stream and buy stuff online using either Chrome or Edge as their browser. Linux takes time and you have to basically do everything yourself. Even if people really want to learn and get the hang of it, at the end of the day 99% of users just want to watch a stream, buy some stuff, or play a game, and not have to do research and do work on their computer to get it to play a stream or a game. Plug&Play works for consumers, and consumers are fine with being the cow that is bled to death as long as they're fed their dopamine hits.

[@svampebob007]

"soon tm" I'll eddit my comment with the propper trademark symbol soon :) Though to be honest it's been 26 years since I've actaually given my money to Microsoft, just pirate it, if the "service" is not good or free, pirate it, if it's bad, igore it. "hey listen!" I've heard that chime on my phone computer since 2016 ish all those cool "apps, programs, features" aka "AI" (in 2024) that just wants me to log in....no Why would I need 15GB free storage on my phone with an optional 100GB...1000GB for money every month, when I can pay money once and internet to have the same function (when I don't fuck up my computer and accept a 1-7 business day down time because I don't have trillions to pay a dedicated IT team... though I get 90TB of back up) The joke with "soon tm" Microsoft/Apple Samsung/iPhone is actualy nice "If you stick to their ecosystem, it's smooth as fuck back up what ever recover what ever, you have a i this or s that, we gotcha :) just pay up bitch" if you go the "linux route" "free open route", "I spent 16 hours moving 4TB of backups back and fourth because some developer forgot to update their key" (something that apple and microsfot is paying people to do for you)

[@malcaniscsm5184]

@tecTitus It's a whole lot easier now than it was in the 90s.

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

Thank you for bringing this up. It feels like a century since Windows gave us a feature that was actually necessary and useful. They're all solutions to problems that were solved long ago by features that have mysteriously gone missing. And worst of all, most of these features have made computing infinitely more dangerous for the average user. They're forcing an absurd amount of our data to flow through their servers for the sake of cloud-computing and AI (but mostly to sell our usage data to advertisers). It's like they woke up one day and said "HEY I HEARD YOU GUYS LIKED MINESWEEPER, SO WE TURNED YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM INTO A MINE FIELD OF SECURITY HOLES AND KEYLOGGERS AND SCREEN-CAPPERS THAT BYPASS FIREWALLS AND SERVE UP COMPANY SECRETS ON A SILVER PLATTER." No, stop it Microsoft. Don't make me hit you with the rolled-up newspaper.

[@brucethen]

Windows 11 right click on a folder, and some silly icons appear, while half the menu is missing unless you select more options, and dont even get me started about quick launch

[@Nickelodeon81]

Yeah very annoying, got used to pressing shift + right click now but its so unnecessary

[@brucethen]

@@Nickelodeon81 THanks for that, I have only recently been forced to use 11 at work so I didn't know about that

[@Stefan_W69]

You can still have quick launch, I'm using it.

[@brucethen]

@@Stefan_W69 how?

[@MrGamelover23]

There's a way to fix that. CTT ultimate windows utility is awesome.

[@8bitchiptune420]

Microsoft is killing Windows and Intel is killing their chips.

[@zimboiii9025]

I hate how good Apple's looking rn

[@jasonme3557]

@@zimboiii9025 maybe but junk hardware and pricey entry point

[@Wistbacka]

​@@jasonme3557nothing about apple quality (hardware or software) at its core is junk. It is fantastic. The problem with apple is how they lock down the user, how the OS is very restrictive to the user (unless you go full linux on its ass) and how they constantly try to prevent you from repairing your devices and how they make everything proprietary; including their own M.2 ports

[@carlosbelo9304]

Not only killing windows, but comminting a massive, massive ecological crime. I do hope that it will end up like ICE cards, 5 more years every time that deadline comes a bit closer

[@squidwardtentacles2736]

Microsoft and Intel are just like this couple in a toxic relationship and no one wants to admit they're at fault.

[@balaam_7087]

Yeah they’re killing gaming too. We call it the Reverse Midas Touch, everything Microsoft touches turns to 💩

[@TheUltimateYouTuberyay]

Ubisoft has that too!

[@Äpple-pie-5k]

FWIW, the correct term is the Scheitass touch. 💩.

[@Mario583a]

I blame the DEI initiative.

[@handlemonium]

The Toot of Death 🍑💨💀

[@joe--cool]

Ah, King Mierdas as the spanish say.

[@_ToddT]

I code for a living, and for the past decade I've been dual booting, using Linux for work and Windows 10 for gaming. This was my solution to regain my sanity. This setup also reduces the urge to play games when I should be writing code.

[@lovol2]

I just tried POPOS Linux and steam works on it! That's it, I'm moving to Linux now.

[@bujfvjg7222]

Code a new OS for us and speed it up using Ai. Lol

[@isaacarcila4215]

Find a girl that looks at you the same way Steve from GN looks at Wendell from Level 1techs..

[@_Safety_Third_]

Off topic but so true. How she looks is less important than how she looks at you.

[@rjc862003]

Emily from LTT?

[@backupplan6058]

Steve just like a woman is there to break your heart. First it was Kingpin, then Der8auer, now Wendell. He makes you think you are the most important person in the whole world then move to the next hot piece of tech ASSet.

[@awarepenguin3376]

uwu

[@eg1do]

Or a boy ;)

[@PSXman9]

Microsoft is killing Microsoft.

[@dmitryporotov2882]

good

[@zxbc1]

I don't know, MSFT stock is 3x what it was just 4 years ago during covid. MS isn't going anywhere. Windows is an abomination but doomerism around these tech companies is laughable, they're bigger than governments and they will get bigger and bigger. Windows is an (almost) insignificant business for MS at this point.

[@kekistanifreedomfighter4197]

Good.

[@hedlund]

While Azure lives I doubt MS _can_ die, or would be allowed to if it can.

[@replikvltyoutube3727]

If profits rise, how are they dying?

[@tedbear631]

11:25 Love Steve and its so refreshing to hear someone say that. I used Win 7 for YEARS before finally switching over to 10 for games. If I wasn't a gamer I'd still have 7 TBH

[@blackrifle6736]

*Yep. Not a gamer, still on W7 Pro and grateful to be.*

[@perwestermark8920]

Still have one Win7 Ultra for some special tasks. It gets some extra firewalling help.

[@Pondimus_Maximus]

I’m in the same boat. If not for Steam and my various flight simulators no longer supporting it, I’d have never let go of Windows 7. Microsoft has made exactly zero improvements to their OS since 2009.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

Still have main NVME for Win7, another NVME for Win10 due to games.

[@darkfairytales3343]

I use W7 for all of my games. I have not found a game that will not run on W7. I use Manjaro Linux for everything else. Dual booting is great if you have two separate drives.

[@davidareeves]

3:00 I do not rent software, if subscription only I'll move to something else

[@rhllnm]

Oh hell yes.

[@McTwistedTwisties]

As an enterprise customer of Microsoft, I dread supporting their applications as the months go by. M365 cloud is pretty good, but their Windows 11 operating system has been a huge step back in terms of customer experience.

[@minigpracing3068]

I just rolled out 11 Education to my clients, it's better than Pro because about half the junk is gone, waiting for LTSC to remove more junk. But so far, not a horrible change for our use case, definitely faster for many things on the same hardware that was running 10 LTSC the week before. I am worried about Server 2025 and what they might do to us, I can see Azure for everything coming soon (yes, I know they changed the name to Entrance to confuse people). Once classes start I may change my opinion on 11, but also running it at home with Chris Titus windows tool to clean up some of the junk. Not horrible at home either, just annoyances.

[@0Synergy]

@@minigpracing3068 Iv been running that Titus tool as well and it works pretty well but yeah, I truly despise Microsoft for destroying Windows its constantly badgering me, mid game it alt tabbed my game and gave me a notification "Do you want to turn off notifications" like what the fuck?

[@McTwistedTwisties]

@@minigpracing3068 I can't even begin to tell you how many tickets we just had to close when our customers upgraded to 11 and could no longer adjust where the tool bar was located 😂

[@RocknR00ster]

Same, I support a huge enterprise as their IT manager, and we are always on the edge of the latest and greatest. Windows 11 has been terrible to support, my team hates it with a passion. There have been so many incompatibility issues, and just overall strange behaviors that we've all witnessed. It's caused a lot of stress to my team and myself. The thing about using M365 cloud for most of everything, is whenever there is an "oopsy" by MS it usually causes an enterprise wide outage, and this happens far too often. Relying on cloud systems in an enterprise world and relying on MS to maintain all that, has been a complete nightmare.

[@HerbaMachina]

​@@McTwistedTwistiesactually the most infuriating thing about Windows 11, like unacceptable level of infuriating, to the point that I installed a program to effectively replace the windows 11 toolbar with a windows 10 style one that also brought back the ability to move it to whatever side I wanted as well. It's frankly unacceptable for anyone on desktop with multiple monitors

[@FrenziedManbeast]

I feel the impending Deathknell of Windows as well. I would have been the first in line to mock "The Year of the Linux Desktop" even as recently as 2019, but to me the writing is on the wall for Windows unless they drastically alter their trajectory. The focus is clearly on wringing money from product, not increasing the quality of the software. The tipping point where the amount of work I need to put into disabling MS spyware and unwanted bloat, versus getting Linux easily configured for Productivity and Gaming is definitely coming closer.

[@FrenziedManbeast]

@@СусаннаСергеевна I'm not trying to predict what other people will do, I'm speaking about what I will be doing as an engineer and gamer focused on those tasks specifically. Apple products don't align in any meaningful way for my use cases.

[@seeibe]

For me that tipping point was Windows 11. Luckily all my software for work and all my games work on Linux.

[@Snifferboy234]

​@seeibe before my laptop cooked itself I was planning on running windows 10 until they finally forced me off then rolling to linux. Now I'm just going straight to linux

[@junko4166]

Don't hold your breath. The average consumer is a moron. That's why enshittification is an irreversible process.

[@fujinshu]

Problem is, you don’t get to be neck and neck with the highest market-cap corporation in the world without breaking a few eggs. And the biggest problem of capitalism was always what Reagan did to essentially wipe out pension funds worldwide and replace them with an alternative that drives the “rising profit at all costs” mentality that’s coming to a head.

[@jmonsted]

The life of an office worker was definitely better in the days of win7 and not-cloud office.

[@timgibney5590]

It is not just Microsoft. Apple too is crappy compared to 2009 when Snow Leopard hit. Linux too was better with gnome2 and early ubuntu. Cell phones on start menus or weird docks and minimalism has killed gnome and Windows. Windows 11 is trying to remove the cell phone but still minimalism BS and weird UI stuff. They do not care. Everything is about cloud and software as a service. Shoot games too are about DLC add ons to cheat. Desktop is done and no one cares anymore sadly.

[@gavin7285]

@@timgibney5590definitely agree on the macOS standpoint. I’ve got a M1 Pro MacBook and find myself missing that Snow Leopard polish quite a bit.

[@kitsune-chan6897]

@@timgibney5590 Great, now I want to run snow leopard again

[@timgibney5590]

@@kitsune-chan6897 I miss older versions of Firefox too. Yes it was a little bloated but it had so many features and grouping that Chrome lacked before it mimicked cell phones and minimal UI stuff. The whole desktop industry just finished after the first Iphone and cloud stuff.

[@khhnator]

@@timgibney5590 all stuff is still there, is just under the three bar drop down menu. i don't get what you talking about

[@phenixnunlee372]

My biggest complaint about the linux switchers is they just expect the every application to be emulated or have a perfect copy. When people switch to Macs they don't expect all the games and applications to just work. When people switch to linux just yell that they can't get a perfect emulation of their exact workflow it is a different operating system! What drove me crazy is when in the LTT linux challenge he was complaining the Go XLR didn't work ,but it didn't work on Mac OS either. you can't keep patching your unsupported hardware it is unsustainable.

[@Paladinleeds]

Not to mention thanks to the great work of the community it DOES work on Linux and from my understanding better than it does on Windows.

[@phenixnunlee372]

@@Paladinleeds oh wow

[@bfrd9k]

They install linux and then complain that onedrive isn't forced on them and that their computer isn't spying on them 😂

[@mrrooter601]

linus is a moron, what else is new

[@maxsecrest]

Games is the reason I haven't completely switched over. I run Linux on my laptop, and a Linux based NAS, but my desktop is mostly for gaming. And sometimes I just want to play a game, without having to do a bunch of work to get it to run. It's frustrating that I don't think I'll ever be able to completely leave Windows.

[@davidioanhedges]

Teams is typical of what Microsoft is doing now - it's not a chat system, it is a sharepoint repository, a wiki, a chat system, a telephone system, and integrates office 365, etc ... it's an everything app, trying to be the only app you need, and ending up being terrible at all of them ...

[@nikolatasev4948]

MS Teams is by far the worst miserable excuse of a chat client I've ever had the displeasure of using. The thing is terrible, it can not do the bare minimum of sending messages reliably and on time. I don't care if it has a Million features and can do a Billion things, if it can't do its basic function it is worse than useless - it is actually sabotaging my work.

[@davidioanhedges]

@@nikolatasev4948 I use it as a telephone system, it's bad as that as well...

[@riseabove3082]

@@nikolatasev4948 I disagree, yes, it is more than what most people need but in a corporate environment is where it shines for it's usability. For normal people it's an overkill app for home use. I really like it in the corporate environment as it is so useful to me but I would never use it for home use.

[@OutLanderUSN]

It all is just absolutely awful. If I thought I could get my company to switch to Discord and setup a proper WAN/LAN in order to store files within our own network I would in a heartbeat. Between being entrenched and having the bare minimum of IT staff there's no way in hell the higher ups would go for it.

[@travisdent7009]

The only thing decent about it was finding documents in SharePoint that were in some obscure folder location.

[@murdoch483]

Me: why do I need an online account? Microsoft: “Imagine all the bad things that will happen. Now imagine we said those things, because we couldn’t think of any.”

[@Polygarden]

Meanwhile, Linux is ready to be used within a few minutes after a fresh install, no account needed, no connection needed

[@1kreature]

I cancelled and uninstalled outlook for windows immediately when I encountered the "we will start tapping your gmail". It is completely unacceptable for Microsoft to have a copy of all data going through my external email.

[@timgibney5590]

Edge feels so scammy as well. Did you know when you click ok when you start edge you grant it permission to read your chrome and firefox data and send it to bing and Microsoft? It constantly reads and sends your Firefox and Chrome data each time you start your computer!

[@marc3793]

Yeah, I can't believe they are allowed to take a copy of all of your emails for pretty much no reason. (Benefit to the end user at least) I'm going to try Thunderbird as soon as old Outlook doesn't work anymore.

[@Äpple-pie-5k]

@@marc3793 There are some other good email clients out there. Look around and do the trials.

[@Marrrrtin]

@@timgibney5590 Can we have some more info or a source on this please? That is completely unacceptable if true.

[@timgibney5590]

You mean your email has to go to a server??

[@statitica5662]

Funny to hear accounting software mentioned - I've been using it as an example recently of how a product has gradually "improved" to the point where I spend more time waiting for the browser to load, than to actually input the data.

[@jaysonrees738]

I'm now exclusively on Linux for a decade. Whenever I have to deal with Windows devices, I find myself annoyed and frustrated at how the OS constantly tries to steer me away from getting things done.

[@JureRepinc]

Same here. For work we have to support our software on non-Linux OSes and each time I try Windows or macOS IO can see how they are getting worse with each new version. Just the opposite of GNU/Linux which is on the getting better trend and already way more awesome. Windows and macOS are just like that fable of slowly cooking the frog, and since it does not jump out of the pot, it dies in the end.

[@LordOfNihil]

we dont buy computers to run windows, we buy it to run our software and games. the os's job is to facilitate that. anything else is application software and should be sold separately.

[@lmnts556]

@@LordOfNihil Well, linux is quite shit at running games. It is not there yet, it can't run a ton of the games a lot of people play as of today.

[@DeltaGammaKilo]

My my how things have come full circle: we started with mainframes and dumb terminals, and we've circled around to going back to having dumb terminals and mainframes.

[@Jackson-ol5xt]

Whilst I agree as a UI terminals aren’t very user friendly, they certainly are not dumb, and are quite useful once you learn how to use them.

[@ibizenco]

Reminds me of starting to work, back in 1997. We had this (200 MHz CPU) server with IBM's AIX UNIX version on it. Never gave any problems. Now we have Windows 10, and you do NOT want to get me started.

[@christophermullins7163]

What is a mainframe?

[@theorangeslice9678]

​@@christophermullins7163Mainframes are centralized computer systems that process the data for all its linked systems. The endpoint (terminal) sends a request to the mainframe, the mainframe processes the request, and then sends the result back to the terminal. This is basically how modern-day SaaS works. Your computer doesn't process any of the data you request. It sends it to a server (or a server cluster) that the server processes, and then the server sends the data back for the software you're running to display.

[@The_Cadaver]

@@christophermullins7163 Back in the day, everyone shared the same tower, but had their own keyboard and display. The tower is the "mainframe."

[@wenchinatrenchcoat8459]

I know of a small business that used the icloud as a backup solution and suddenly everything was gone, no trace whatsoever of any of the files, the recycle bin was empty and the apple support didn't know what happed or wouldn't tell. The user claimed that no one messed with their imac. At the end all the files were gone, about 15-20 years of customer relations, project, personal documents and so on.

[@NeptuneSega]

Good, they deserve it. Hopefully they learn from this "probably not". Same thing happened with Google recently. They say they aren't responsible for data loss and basically go eff yourself

[@HerbaMachina]

I mean, that's kinda on them, iCloud is not an acceptable back up solution for a buisness lol

[@Äpple-pie-5k]

The definition of "backup" is second (or third) copy. What you are describing sounds more like keeping the ONLY copy in one place. Never a good idea, even though iCloud would be significantly safer than a single physical local drive.

[@FenixFeniks]

@@Äpple-pie-5k Its more of an issue with how services like icloud/onedrive function. They are so aggressive on making sure everything is synced across devices that the default behavior is all file adjustments are mirrored across everything (your devices and apple/microsoft's servers). It was only pretty recently that (like past year or two) that one drive started prompting about file deletions. What happened in this guy's case was apple's data server failed with that businesses' icloud there and when the device next connected to the internet it synced the new file status. Ive heard about this happening a few times.

[@wasd____]

If they lost one copy and it was completely gone, then that wasn't a backup, that was data with only one copy. Data kept as only one copy is data you WILL eventually lose. That said, sorry to hear that, that really sucks. :(

[@Sicarine]

I am planning a transition to linux as I watch (well...I have been for a few weeks already), because I have hit my breaking point. I refuse to touch Windows 11 with a 10 foot pole unless it is required for work. Linux, to an outsider, is scary. But Microsoft has pissed me off THAT much.

[@Hunty49]

I switched 3 months ago. I dual boot by having Zorin Linux install on a USB drive. I have the BIOS set to boot from USB first. If I need Windows, I just shutdown, remove USB drive, boot up.

[@EvilGav]

Modern Windows buries all the settings behind so many layers, it's less productive today than it was a decade ago. You used to be able to fettle network settings by right clicking the network icon and pulling up properties. Now, to get to *the exact same screen*, you need to click through 3 or 4 unnecessary ones.

[@angulion]

Just remember that Linux and how you do things in it is not Windows (*). Have an open mind and some patience. Once you get the hang of it I think you will be wondering why you did not switch sooner. * for example programs are installed with the systems package manager, not downloaded from some random potentially shady webpage.

[@aliasmcdoe]

Remember that you can try Linux distros from a live USB without installing it. If you are a noob like me, Mint is very, very easy to get into coming from Windows. You don't need to be a turbonerd expert to use it.

[@EvilGav]

@@aliasmcdoe whilst you can run from the USB, it wont let you do everything and will have performance limitations. I'd say you'd be better off buying a 512GB M.2 and installing to that, give you some space to do things.

[@Ale-ch7xx]

I run a computer store and lately, I've had many people switching to linux. I've been pushing it for folks on a tight budget. It's mostly Ubuntu and Lubuntu. Some people just want to get out of the Microsoft ecosystem and buy them. Everyone who bought them has been happy with them.

[@YujiUedaFan]

It works if you don't emulate or play any games of any kind. Linux developers don't care about that, so I have to stick with Windows.

[@stolenlaptop]

Mint and Manjaro are the ones I install for friends and family. Both have worked well

[@Ale-ch7xx]

@@YujiUedaFan ​ Depends on the game. But these are sold to people that do web browsing, email, and documents. Are you familiar with the Atari computers, Vintage Apple Computers, and Commodore computers? These were the gaming computers of the 80s. It'll take time of microsoft keep doing what they're doing until people switch to something else.

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@Ale-ch7xx I mean anything with DX12 support or Godot/Unity/Unreal etc...

[@SergioEduP]

@@Ale-ch7xx If, and its a big IF, the user is interested enough and willing to take the time to learn, Linux has become quite a viable platform for gaming, apart from games with intrusive anti-cheat everything seems to be working really well, and in some cases with better performance than on windows on the same hardware, even while running trough all the compatibility layers and tools that are necessary.

[@johnDingoFoxVelocity]

My favorite story is the Microsoft server 2003 launch debacle. At there launch event. Microsoft told billion dollar companies that it was ok and perfectly safe to run the 30 day trial version while there full versions came in the mail. Of windows server 2003. However the trial versions where using watchdog services to shut down the os after 30 days that version of watch dog services is the same watchdog services from windows nt4.0 which means any hack for nt 4.0 worked in server 2003. This included. Removing the watermark. Installing a service pack And turning a trial version into a full version by just turning off watchdog services. Ooops

[@GoonyMclinux]

I remember that, I also remember the company I worked for not paying for it. 😂

[@johnDingoFoxVelocity]

@@GoonyMclinux tons of people did man the hacked server market was blowing up then

[@ferocius7644]

For a second i thought you guys were in a bowling center, then i noticed the AMD logo behind lol

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

Glad I'm not the only one thinking of a bowling center :D

[@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294]

Me, too

[@timduncan6750]

Bowling alleys are AMF - not AMD 🙂

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

I was warning of this in the 90's as a senior hardware engineer for GE and was ignored. This is the end game of privacy, enjoy the world you allowed to happen. All Evil needs is good men to stand by and do nothing.

[@watamatafoyu]

I just learned the Copilot app that installed itself into my taskbar takes screenshots and records typing for MS AI. I uninstalled it.

[@fixitman2174]

@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly You've got that backwards. Profit is a by-product of power (control). Most of us can easily name several powerful executives. Very few of us can name powerful lotto winners. Lotto winners have money, but no power. Executives have power, which provides them with money.

[@LordOfNihil]

@@fixitman2174 politicians are all sock puppets anyway. once the lobbying floodgates opened america started to die.

[@betatester03]

Been using Windows since 3.1. I remember the horror shows that were Windows Me, Vista, 8, and I'm absolutely never touching 11. Side note, 98SE was the last version I felt content with. 7 and 10 were fine. With the building pattern of trends MS has been adopting these last few years, my gripes are finally nearing that critical mass needed for me to get off my butt and abandon it for good. Linux support is becoming more and more common and Linux desktop environments are so much nicer than they used to be. Truly, I'm inches away. They're either so far disconnected from their customer base or they really just believe they can get away with this progression of BS and expect to call our bluff. Ain't no bluff, son.

[@blubblurb]

The problem with Linux is always, do the apps you need work on Linux? If so, Switching is not that hard anymore. Otherwise good luck searching alternatives. I say that as a Linux user.

[@Emulcool]

I remember the 3.1 times ... the jump from 3.1 to 95 and then the impressive upgrade to 98.... i forgave Me because 2000 was a legit retooling of many systems that Xp Was built on ... BUT VISTA was when i trully had my first "disgusted" moment with windows.

[@realWARPIG]

They don't give a shit because the government will still buy everything they produce as fast as possible and fund them no matter how many individuals turn away

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

@@blubblurb I have work and gaming/hobby on separate systems and subnets. Mostly for security reasons.

[@cocoadragon8554]

@@Emulcool Vista is actually awesome. The problem is everyone sold subpar HARDWARE when vista's true requirements to use were way way higher. I maxed out my ram and never had issues.

[@christopherstephens3751]

I genuinely wish I didn't have to move off 7, but I had to upgrade my old piece of shit and modern hardware manufacturers have made it very difficult to stick with it. The moment I realized this it made me think I have officially become That Guy Who Rants About Windows. I've known quite a few over the years I've been working in the IT industry, but now I finally joined their ranks. Depressing!

[@spodule6000]

Recently I moved to Linux Mint, and haven't regretted it at all. It feels like a breath of fresh air. I run win 7 in a VM.

[@MikeDawson1]

move to Kubuntu for a year until you get used to it, then jump to CachyOS and be forever happy

[@Razzbow]

Wait until you find out about linux

[@DavidJonSpem]

@@spodule6000 I moved to Fedora with the KDE spin since the NVIDIA 555 driver released. It's been a blast and I would say even better than Linux Mint.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

don't hate the windows haters. they were just a little early to the party

[@crungushakooter]

I have 3 monitors and a hidden taskbar on Win10. Every single time the monitors are woken up from sleep, it takes like 15 seconds for all the monitors to turn on, the desktop flickers around, and then I get some message about "A toolbar is already hidden on this side of the screen yada yada", and my taskbars no longer auto hide. Multi-monitor users have been having this issue for years now. Michael Soft can't seem to fix it, but they sure can add more spyware on top of it

[@DimkaTsv]

Michael Soft? Had archangels began to work in IT?) On other note ... How these are connected (DP or HDMI as connection behavior is different when monitor sleeps). And are you sure it is Microsoft that supposes to fix that? Multimonitor setups are frequently flakey, but is fault on side of GPU architecture, GPU driver, or Microsoft (DWM)? There are some things that are impossible to fix on OS side.

[@ragea1]

@@DimkaTsv It could be as simple as a DDC/CI issue, maybe not running the correct profile or being disabled on the monitors.

[@igordasunddas3377]

One yields them data (basically money) or money, the other is irrelevant, because it doesn't benefit them. Figure out which one is which :D.

[@Akkbar21]

I have a multi monitor setup on win10 without any issues b

[@BOTSamJ]

watching monitors flicker for a minute straight when windows is trying to figure out how to rearrange your entire life and hearing the device connected and disconnected sound repeatedly throughout is infuriating. I plugged in an HDMI sound bar why in the hell is there no way to tell it to be AUDIO ONLY without doing hacky shit that makes it either duplicate a monitor or be an inaccessible screen. 2024 and we still dont have a way to have an output be audio only 2024 and sound bars dont have 3.5 jacks

[@wimwiddershins]

Linux Mint is a minty breath of fresh air. Windows 11 is drudgery.

[@Nostalgianic]

I like the idea of Linux. It's just not the same. Too much only supported in Windows.

[@KakyouKuzuki2001]

@@Nostalgianic Mostly games... video and image editing software is starting to get better and better on linux

[@Velta_Nox]

As a long-time Windows user (roughly 30 years in total), I can confirm that after moving to Linux Mint. It's undoubtedly best distro for Windows refugees to learn some basic knowledge of Linux. For gaming focused distros, go for Pop_OS! (Ubuntu based, good for beginners + laptops users) or NoBara (Fedora based) or OpenSuSE (SUSE based) or Garuda (Arch based, good for desktop. Warning: It isn't for the beginners because... Arch is Arch. Not kidding, this still scares me.) If you want a Desktop Environment that looks more Windows-ish and fabulous, also more power and customization in your hands: Go for "KDE" when downloading any distro that had it. "GNOME" is for MacOS fans... yuck..!

[@joeschmoe7324]

I've been gaming in linux since Windows xp. WGA pissed me off that much.

[@alexkt3400]

Using Mint for quite a while now, it was my first distro hop after trying lubuntu on an old laptop. If you scale the icons and taskbar a bit larger, it's nearly identical to win7, which for me was peak personal computing. Mint is amazing for long-term use, but highly recommended as a beginner distro too.

[@sinephase]

Man, I was playing around with Windows Vista and the Control Panel is like a breath of fresh air. Things make sense, it uses clear language and has suggested links to relevant sections that are very useful. Post windows 7 things just went in a strange direction

[@MrDukeeeey]

Windows 8 was a ridiculous abomination, maybe the most ugly ui ever made. Win10 was like a stop gap. A mostly desktop os with some tablet stuff rammed in.

[@sinephase]

@@MrDukeeeey It's just baffling why they would change control panel in the ways they have

[@MrDukeeeey]

@@sinephase 100% i've been using win10 every day for years at this point and still don't know where half the settings are. I end up using search / cortana. Win7 everything just made sense.

[@autohmae]

You want crazy, Windows 2012 server. It had the Windows 8 interface, on your server.

[@davidgoodnow269]

The problem with Windows 8 is that people tried to run it on desktop, tower, laptop . . . traditional PCs. It was designed for tablet and phone, and that's all. Without a multicore multithread processor, solid-state storage, and a touchscreen, it was a nightmare. On the other hand, Windows 8 phone was vastly superior in every way (in my experience) to both iOS and Android, and Windows 8 on a tablet was very, very, good (though I really liked [was it Sony's?] in-house mods of Windows XP - Win 7 on tablet; I just remember the 2D key cup on-screen keyboard was something I ported to use via a touchscreen second monitor on my tower, but that on-screen keyboard wouldn't work with Windows 8 -- on PC. It worked fine on tablets and even phone . . . until a version update killed it.

[@vorteco7692]

More companies need to make things work offline. Some of us have jobs where we are offshore 8 months per year with limited connectivity, yet still want to use our machines that we paid for.

[@TinyWorkshop]

the end game is: You own nothing

[@madmax2069]

And you are the product

[@MR-vj8dn]

Well, it's actually up to you. Do you want to own or do you want to rent?

[@MR-vj8dn]

@@madmax2069 That's todays most ridiculous comment that I've come across.

[@madmax2069]

@@MR-vj8dn no, it really isn't, for companies, they collect any kind of data from us they possibly can, and then sell that data to whoever, so again we are the product. Probably should do some research on the subject.

[@MR-vj8dn]

@@madmax2069 I don't know who you are, and you don't know who I am. I might know a thing or two about this, just so that you know. You may have been scared to believe things that aren't true. I'm not being naive. I have my feet on the ground and study things that I want to know more about, instead of listening to rumours on the internet.

[@whatwaredotnet]

They're avoiding pushing users past a "breaking point" by pushing these changes out fairly slowly, to the point end users don't notice or don't care.

[@antoniomarbez3967]

How stupid, us consumers, have to be to accept that we pay to own nothing, from "products" and services that the provider can change, limit, degrade and exploit against us, and we're smiling and giving away our money?

[@hubertnnn]

As long as lawyers exist, there is nothing we can do.

[@vincei4252]

@@hubertnnn There's plenty you can do. The simplest one is you stop "buying" their crap. Saved me a ton of money. When consumers turn off the spigot then there will be change, however, life is too short for me to spend my life trying to save everyone.

[@sorlag110]

They're trying to bring back feudualism

[@Raptor-y9f]

To add insult to injury, we also have free open source software like Linux and Libre Office available to users with no strings attached.

[@hubertnnn]

@@vincei4252 Ok, tell me how can I not buy windows if windows is included with every laptop and I need a laptop? Or how can I not buy a spying car if spyware is included with all cars (from all manufacturers) and I need a vehicle to get to work. Or how can I not buy a spying TV when all brands do it and I need a new TV? As long as there is no competition, there is no choice. And as long as lawyers of big brands are eliminating competition by bs lawsuits that small companies don't have the money to fight, there will be no competition. Capitalism is over (assuming it ever existed). Now we live in Monopolism, and nothing can change it unless politicians start protecting citizens, which they wont do.

[@monarch-black]

I tried to switch to Linux several times in the past, but went back to MS. I moved to Mint at home a few months ago, and haven't had any problems. It's finally there now.

[@elduderino7767]

Yeah a lot of Linux distributions are rubbish Zorin is something you should have a look at, coming from windows it's sensational Mint I never really liked to be honest about each to their own

[@mihairomulus2488]

​@@elduderino7767 zorin is unbelievably slow and has older packages than most distros and it's not even doing it like Debian, Debian does slow but stable right and Mint is better built than Zorin

[@elduderino7767]

@@GobrinDesuka the amount of half baked distros out there is probably why it took me around 5 attempts over more than a decade to switch - and from someone who's been managing linux servers for much longer than that only really committed after playing around with zorin 16 - i guess im just too superficial, for me polish and simplicity matters and i think thats why zorin is such a nice fit for windows users contemplating the switch, it's all very familiar but also has a premium retail feel about it can't be too much of a purist, especially for those leaving the likes of windows, chances are they'll still be using chromium which is still light years ahead of chrome or edge

[@ryanballd]

Mint and Ubuntu have to be the only distros I've tried that I would be willing to switch over for...but I stay with Windows because of familiarity and game compatibility.

[@mihairomulus2488]

@@elduderino7767 Zorin is been confirmed to have a suboptimal release/update cycle with packages that aren't in their best condition, it's based on too many older things to be a viable choices, it's based on a distro that's based on another and both of those bases are outdated right now, it's not a healthy approach

[@MrOskiee]

I work for one of the largest school districts school in the US. Leadership is actively moving away from microsoft because the shit show windows and it's management services have gone completely to shit.

[@ninjabastard]

What are you guys moving to?

[@411DL]

Away from microsoft, good. But you haven't mentioned what they're moving _to_? My guess would be some other tablet hardware just not running anything windows.

[@terpfen]

@@411DL Assuming he's not lying (people lie on the internet all the time, shockingly enough) then it's probably a move towards Google, and likely only for pricing reasons. Google is known to give pretty big discounts to select customers, particularly if they think they can get Gen Alpha hooked on Chromebooks. It's highly unlikely the infrastructure of whatever school district he works for is moving away from Active Directory.

[@amosbatto3051]

What is the school district switching to?

[@mikesully110]

@@amosbatto3051 I work IT for a school in the UK and tbh most of the kids are using chromebooks now in education. For home use they are happy with their phones or tablets. Very rare for kids to have Windows laptops/computers these days - only PC gaming enthusiasts have them. So I suspect as these kids age only businesses and PC gamers will have Windows machines - normal people will stick to their tablets. We still have Windows devices for staff and for certain software but tbh most of our staff could easily use Chromebooks as everything they use is web based anyway. If Windows moves to subscription model I can see most businesses just buying cheap chromeboxes and using web apps, as they would be good enough.

[@kenkas002]

an important thing we also need right now is to both educate businesses that linux IS usable and that make electronics manufactorors that linux isn't dangerous. i remember at my iold job, it at a engineering firm, factory building etc, i wanted to dualboot windows-linux but my superior said that it was a strictly windows company. it was first later that i found out that the controllers we used there were not windows compatible, when connecting by usb, the soft ware should see the device directly, but when run through something like wine, it was like there was no usb controller.

[@TekNeil]

WIN10 22H2 here...Never yet used/had OneDrive, nor had to create a MS account(Build PC's with WIN10 rather than WIN11) But I can feel the pressure coming from the latest updates. Gladly we have various channels such as this that help us stay ahead of the curve, and there will always be ways to get around things. Completely agree with the term "Cloud is just somebody elses hard drive/computer" too, since 1995 (Still own my first PC/Fujitsu Siemens) I always have, and always will store locally as much as possible. I once owned an apple iPhone, never, ever again. The malware, iTunes was horrendous, the phone didn't let me move files to the PC...Android on the other hand, oh look, folders and files that I can literally drag and drop onto MY local drives. No malware needed.

[@ConfusioNIntrusioN]

seriously a law needs to be made against a subscription only service, so stupid and annoying a thing these companies does with only cash grab in mind, they don't care about the consumers in any shape, way or form.

[@Jasontyo]

If windows becomes a subscription product I will have to finally switch to linux on my main PCs i guess. that is unacceptable.

[@fujinshu]

With NVIDIA open-sourcing their kernel patches, all I really want now is Dolby Atmos and Vision, and maybe HDR(10(+)) to work on Linux, and I’m outta Windows. Will just move my personal Windows files to my future NAS, so that I can access my files anywhere without the need to turn on my Windows computer.

[@WayStedYou]

The funny thing is they will probably go to sub model right when we have enough cabability to emulate all the x86 apps at this rate

[@DavidJonSpem]

@@fujinshu Dolby Atmos is overrated a good stereo set is still more than enough. HDR is here already in some aspects but soon integrated into the desktop. Indeed since NVIDIA opened up some stuff and the Explicit Sync got merged, things are pretty amazing on the Linux Desktop. Especially on the Wayland side. People still using Linux Mint but I can rather advice them to upgrade to a Wayland desktop now. Been running Fedora KDE for a while and it's good.

[@daniel29263]

​@@fujinshuHDR10 is coming, it's actively being worked on by all relevant parties. However, nobody is going to pay Dolby royalties.

[@EverSpaceTime]

@@fujinshu you know good and well you're ok with SDR. You should be watching hdr content on an oled anyway.

[@pudgegranddaddy]

I said this years ago. When computing first started with interface, we had mainframes with dummy terminals. And while that still exists (even minimally) today, we are slowly going back to that kind of experience only with a rich GUI but for the masses for business and personal use.

[@cpuuk]

I talked to a guy at M$ back in the 1990's, he'd came from that meeting where someone said, "hey, wouldn't it be great if Users rented Windows instead of buying it?". M$ was spitting feathers when Adobe got that model to work. M$ has worked hard to get some form of Sub service going, the first effort was 'Software Advantage' and of course the XBox. Home User OS Subscription is absolutely their end game. And now they REALLY want to collect and sell User data.

[@Winnetou17]

LoL, spitting feathers ? That's a new one :))

[@SlavTiger]

I'll stop being a windows user

[@AmericaAndAllies]

I have never met an Adobe subscriber.

[@ococoseco]

I think you found the perfect way to describe it. Adversarial. Using Windows now feels like I’m constantly fighting my PC. Instead of making a more seamless or straightforward experience, they put obstacles instead. This is disastrous.

[@VADemon]

Indeed. The obstacles on Windows are intentional and in your face. On Linux you know it's not intentional and technical. I decided my time is better spent learning Linux than fighting Windows.

[@caioferreira4986]

14:41 Steve: whats the most user friendly and widely compatible distro? - Wendell: changes subject

[@lerkzor]

The problem is that there are so many distros, and so many various hardware configs, and so many various task flows that the question is nearly impossible to answer. I have fiddled about in various Linux distros since RedHat 6, and at the end of the day, the user experience is more about the user interface than about the distribution. You can install YOUR CHOICE of window managers on pretty much any distro. I personally don't like using the CLI because I have a tendency to create multitudinous typographical errors, and that causes problems - even though you can do things in the CLI that are more tedious in a GUI.

[@noenken]

I think Kubuntu is still a really solid starting point for windows users. The GUI looks close enough, lots of settings, managing applications is pretty easy and if something happens it's just ubuntu underneath with tons of documented fixes across the web. Personally I switched over to just normal Ubuntu with 24.04 and it works great.

[@igordasunddas3377]

It really depends on what you consider user-friendly, because I assure you different people have different opinions on this matter. I for instance like the CLI, but I also like some GUI at times. Some others might want GUI only and all integrated, others might like minimal GUI and various applications, that it wraps its UI frames around. So it's really difficult to find something, that applies to everyone equally.

[@ICANHAZKILLZ]

Because the answer is Ubuntu - but nobody in the GNU circle jerk would dare suggest Ubuntu

[@andrew_hd]

Try Manjaro.

[@MegaLokopo]

If linux had something like ninite, where I could install five different package managers, four different window managers, and bits and pieces of 7 different desktop environment, all during the installation process through a simple gui like ninite. Linux would become so much more popular over night. I love and hate so many different things about different distros, I won't be happy, until I can easily pick and choose, and have linux make it work and make it all compatible at the same time.

[@KizaruB]

This is what happens when you have a monopoly. You literally have no other other option if you want to play certain games or use certain applications.

[@autohmae]

Ans also: to much driven by stock price most go up.

[@BlueSparkzVideos]

Well, I'll set aside games because there aren't any that would make me beholden to Windows; however, with apps there are a lot of work-arounds and tools you can use to jerry-rig your own solution to get around compatibility. I'd do everything in my power before accepting defeat because I really hate the idea of consumer enslavement. I caught wind of where Microsoft was heading with Windows and that alone made me switch to Linux. Windows was a great operating system and it's still very capable, but every second you remain on that platform you inch closer towards Microsoft's end-game of total user dependency. When you're in so deep you can't leave is when the subscription plans role out.

[@KizaruB]

@@BlueSparkzVideos even if you get around the compatibility, most people just aren’t the necessary level of tech savvy required to get into Linux and wanna keep using it

[@AmericaAndAllies]

“A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”

[@williamhicks2763]

It is very hard to make that jump. I was a Windows programmer for years but these days I’ve lost most of my tech savvy and the thought of taking the time to move off of Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop is my largest hurdle. I was hoping to get a Linux machine setup and start learning it with the hopes of one day maybe using a Windows VM for photo editing and do everything else on Linux. But, I’m also in the middle of setting up a Unifi network and I have several NAS servers to manage and a hundred other things to do with my spare time. It just seems like so much to learn and like work and not fun, but like something I’m being forced to do. Hopefully I can get to it this year.

[@Vifnis]

90's: revolutionary 30's: *re-invented slavery*

[@johnf7683]

I was at a computer shop in the '90's when Microsoft reps showed the owners how to crash IBM's OS/2 inentionally during comparisons. They also said piracy of Office was ok, as long as Office became the Company standard. Trust me, Microsoft's goal was ALWAYS Slavery.

[@T-Ball-o]

Just don't use it

[@hiru92]

30's ? 🤔

[@Trooper10231]

​@@hiru922030s

[@eightbitw0rld]

“Don’t use the OS that 90% of people and businesses use on the front end” homeboy wat

[@billhodgson8016]

Switched 2 laptops to Linux mint. I am headed the linux route. Trying to learn more about linux terminal to be better at it. I'm also into used equipment over newer stuff. It feels good not paying top dollar while we watch the intel drama unfold.

[@Twisted07]

Man this hits home. I gew up on 95/98 then jumped to Windows XP and then Windows 7. I agree, I didn't want to leave 7 and now 10/11 was a gut punch!! You have about zero control over your system and MS just gets to change your settings back to block them out. I also owned a Steam Deck, and while it was pretty good. Most of the games I wanted to play didn't play well due to EAC. Took a lot of messing around to get things up and running to then have an update come along and break the game again. For me this is a big issue. As an IT tech myself, I work on computers Windows, Mac, Linux all day at work, and I don't want to come home and deal with it. I ended up getting sick of it and picked up the Lenovo Go. For gaming its awsome, but MAN, I wish devs would work more on Linux. I want out of Windows! I'd love to just install Linux on my main desktop and never look back. Hopefully in the next couple of years this will be a thing. There for sure has been progress over what it was like in the early to mid 2000's gaming on Linux. It would also be a plus for the smaller handles. Crazy how powerful these little devices have become!

[@electricindigoball1244]

"Windows feels very adversarial" This describes my experience with Windows perfectly. Every time I use it it feels like I have to fight it so that it doesn't do things behind my back. It explains why I feel so much more at ease using Linux as I actually feel like I'm in control of the OS and not the other way around.

[@ThePyramidBox]

Same, after I've tried to use Windows to update my Xbox controller's firmware and update motherboard BIOS thru manufacturer's app for Windows and after 6 FREAKING attempts to made it work - and 6 borked installation - I've decided that I will never ever use any Microsoft software where's that possible

[@electricindigoball1244]

@@ThePyramidBox To be fair if you had that many failed installs then that suggests there might be something else wrong with your system or with how you're trying to install the OS. As for the BIOS update, I'm a bit confused why you would go the Windows application route instead of doing it from inside the BIOS which is OS agnostic and AFAIK less prone to errors during the flashing process.

[@ThePyramidBox]

@@electricindigoball1244 Well, Windows broke only after re-installing Linux - it never happened on other devices - but, this is not the worst - did you knew that on Windows - there is a bug which locks you out of your system if you are logged on your online account? Well, I haven't knew until installing Windows, did you knew the solution? Microsoft will tell you to bypass it - yes, Microsoft - the inventor of this "genius" decision - will ask you to bypass their buggy creation - not to fix it - BUT even when I've reached CMD - system will still be broken - it will BSOD forever with error and after regenerating BCD files, remounting all of the filesystems - it will BSOD. Forever. - why does Windows even REACT to the unchanging as for Windows environment if I haven't change anything EXCEPT for Linux partitions which Windows KERNEL can't even READ and doesn't even sees them and if you try to mount - will prompt you to format your "corrupted" drive - I don't know - but, what I've noticed - is that without Windows - my PC feels far much better, why it happened only on my PC and not on older Laptop - I don't know - but it seems like newer specs you have - more Windows will push anti-competitive practices

[@RadikAlice]

You feel in control, because you are

[@kekistanifreedomfighter4197]

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

[@phillipanselmo8540]

unfortunately microsoft has 4 seats on the linux kernel committee so they can still turn it around

[@TheHighborn]

@@phillipanselmo8540 doesn't matter. As long as Linus lives, he can tell anybody to sod off.

[@Collector2006]

More than that, it doesn't matter because Linux is open source. Microsoft, Red Hat, no one can do anything truly detrimental to Linux. Because if anyone does, anyone can fork it, and continue the project in a different direction. If the direction of the OS is detrimental to the larger community, nothing prevents anyone from taking the code and making a separate project. That's one of the reasons for the fragmentation in Linux. Everyone has an opinion of how things should be, and those who can, just start a new project.

[@BrianBorawski]

Still stuck using it at work for now.

[@Tommy-T448]

Except, we don't want Windows to wither away, we want Windows to become better.

[@okashiromi5541]

*Sees the title* Oh wonderful! Can I accelerate the process somehow?

[@egarcia1360]

Switch if you haven't, and help your friends and family switch if you have!

[@okashiromi5541]

@egarcia1360 did and working on it lol. On ultramarine KDE!

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

Make a Linux version that works.

[@egarcia1360]

@@naamadossantossilva4736 What exactly doesn't work for you on it?

[@Tech-Relief]

I am a retired Windows Software Engineer and I am also starting to hate Windows. I feel I have less and less control over what the OS does. I can't completely switch to Linux since I have a few apps not available on Linux but it has occurred to me that perhaps I could run these in a virtual machine in Linux. I have made a decision never to install Windows 11 and will stay on Windows 10 until I can ditch it altogether. I am actually looking forward to Microsoft stopping Windows 10 support so I can hack it without Windows Update trying to reverse it.

[@atortarr]

I finally switched to Linux when Valve launched Proton, and haven't looked back.

[@zadoww]

Sadly, the support from the hardware and software side of tech hasn't embraced it. The fact that Linux users have to develop their own drivers and workarounds for hardware is just sad. Otherwise it really could be serious contender.

[@zadoww]

However, If you are a tinkerer, it's a great challenge.

[@fugitive6549]

Good luck not being able to play vast majority of games or trying to figure out why your mic isn't working for 3 hours.

[@atortarr]

@@zadoww depends on the hardware, I guess? I don't do VR or flight sims or anything like that, if that's what you're referring to.

[@atortarr]

@@fugitive6549 I have a mountain of games, old and new, and nearly all of them work perfectly. What games are you referring to? Linux has become a whole lot easier to use and find solutions for over the past decade or so. Ubuntu is the most popular, but I've stuck with Arch-based stuff like Manjaro. That was what I started with. You just put the installer on a USB thumb drive, and it holds your hand through the install process. It was just like Windows from what I remember. (I have a regular Arch build now which is definitely harder to get going but still isn't that bad)

[@jeffb.6642]

My concern is if they take away the Bypass NRO thing that will cause a lot of headaches for people who don't have internet access available when installing Windows. Whether that's because there's no NIC/WiFi drivers built into Windows, or any other reason.

[@imeakdo7]

To Microsoft, those people shouldn't even exist. It's already causing headaches

[@autohmae]

Let me guess their answer: just get a USB-wifi adapter, it's less than 10 bucks. Obviously it's the wrong answer on every level, but that's what I'm thinking they might say.

[@DasBuzzBuzz]

air-gap is a valid security protocol...it _is_ absolutely a tremendous pain to get Office and such but there's no choice. local, offline data in secure physical locations can't be stolen.

[@kurtwinter4422]

Try doing shared folders without local accounts

[@twign6378]

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360."

[@Marbeary]

I want SteamOS to be mainstream

[@Gundalf72]

Aye, I only use Windows for Steam.

[@ThompYT]

So you just want arch to be mainstream

[@justanothercomment416]

@@Gundalf72 In general, Steam on Linux is a good experience. It's definitely not perfect.

[@thelakeman2538]

Valve doesn't, for its current implementation at least, otherwise you wouldn't need to use an unofficial project like holo iso to have a more generic installable version. It's desktop side is fairly weak in comparison to traditional linux distros, it just ships kde and standard linux software while being generally behind in updates, plus it being immutable limits a lot of what you can do with it, outside the handheld PC environment it was designed for there's not much going for steam os to justify using it over anything else.

[@daniel29263]

Not sure why people want that, Steam works well on all distros... But if you really want a restricted experience then you always have things like Bazzite

[@Peanutfiendsblog]

Once gaming became a reality in Linux, I gladly stopped using Windows all together. I really can't stand how using windows feels. Linux's KDE desktop has a feel like windows but it's completely user configurable.

[@IamBrianDickson]

Linux being a capable OS on the desktop has never been the issue. What has always prevented mass adoption is getting that software that people use working to the same level on Linux as their current OS (without hacks). The other main issue is fragmentation due to the numerous distros and what makes up their images.

[@YujiUedaFan]

This. From an outsider's perspective Linux looks like a bunch of Github branches that don't do the thing you want it to.

[@aldebaran0_]

not to mention how random distros that are maintained by a single person pop up and claim to be the best desktop experience. Said distros end up getting 15 minutes of fame till they fall behind and the next one pops up

[@Tritibellum]

i don't know, i feel like the fragmentation is actually a good thing for people, but maybe that's because i'm already a linux user and just got used to it. the actual problem would be to "how to tell people which distro serves for them", since there is alot of articles which just recommends to use an awful distro (by simply typing "best linux distros to use"), and 99% of the people will probably just distrohop into something better or even quit linux and switch back to windows it is really sad, since there are linux distros which are actually awesome, like void linux for example, but we don't see people choosing those as first choice, maybe because of how non-beginner friendly it is? i don't know... it's quite hard to look for these type of distros when searching i have wasted like 2 month searching for the "perfect distro" and learning everything, which then finally ends up to gentoo linux

[@punishthemeatpocket]

What made me stop using Linux is the lack of consistent dpi scaling between applications. Seeing blurry text everywhere gets super annoying fast.

[@fujinshu]

@@TritibellumI feel like there NEEDS to be an official Linux “reference” distribution that the Linux Foundation officially backs as THE official Linux OS, which can serve both as a jumping on point AND as a benchmark for developers (especially the driver devs for proprietary hardware) looking to build their apps for Linux.

[@vinterskog]

I suggest Microsoft name their next Windows "Sepukku".

[@StayMadNobodycares]

Project Sepukku, all tile based, removed the start button entirely, moved every single menu and setting for no reason, added several mouse clicks before getting to any highly accessed part of a menu, So many bugs that even Timon and Pumba have to throw in the towel.

[@nikolatasev4948]

@@StayMadNobodycares Dude, they tried all that already in Windows 8. They have moved on to worse things.

[@warriorofice33]

or Winblows

[@squidwardtentacles2736]

winner of best comment 😂😂😂

[@ibizenco]

*lol* (Sorry, I just had to reply with this)

[@jimhehmeyer4850]

I have 3 linux machines and 2 Windows machines. I'm switching one of the windows machines over to Ubuntu this weekend. I have setup a file server on my LAN and have dumped OneDrive. Life is getting better every day.

[@kintustis]

you paid for onedrive? 🤣

[@jimhehmeyer4850]

@@kintustis Yeah, I went with Microsoft 365 for the apps. Now I use LibreOffice.

[@scudger99]

@@kintustis Fuck that !

[@kelvin1316]

Over a year ago I moved over to Linux (Mint) and haven't looked back. Gaming mostly works great now and most apps I used either have a Linux variant or equivalent

[@brianhunt6943]

The software lock in is worse than the OS. Wendell touches on this, but misses it a bit. Remote server a.k.a cloud is one solution. We need software that is OS agnostic. Shouldn't matter if you are using Android, MacOS, Linux, Unix or Windows. We need that at federal and business levels before we can really start stepping away from Windows. We also need that software and not necessarily alternatives. LibreOffice is great, but it isn't iWork or Office.

[@gruntaxeman3740]

Most of the applications are OS agnostic, in browser. You can use Google Workspace or MS office live. And all technical (software development/admin) stuff is almost agnostic. They work in unix environment with Linux.

[@brianhunt6943]

@@gruntaxeman3740 Google workspace seems to do okay. It functions well enough. However, there is still a lot of function that the web versions of MS Office doesn't have compared its counterpoint. It has gotten to the point our standard support statement is to tell them to choose open in app because the web version just doesn't work consistently. Also MS Office web in browsers other than Chrome is pretty hit or miss for what features will work. So, that's just trading your OS for browser lock in. Which as you may remember from the IE day wasn't much better.

[@sinephase]

If having IE bundled was anti-competitive, then forcing a M$ account seems even more so to me. They need a new lawsuit. Maybe an EU suit that forces something like the N version they released before?

[@walterhartman]

Endgame - Put us all on OneDrive - Make us pay a yearly fee.

[@triluchowy]

Also spy on you, so literally paying for that.

[@Äpple-pie-5k]

Yep you've concisely nailed it. For those who don't know, here is the rest of the endgame that has been leaked: 1. Analyze all your data and make a db profile on you associated to a token-key UUID. 2. Sell lookup access to advertisers to obtain a one-time access token via API calls, to obtain db data associated to the UUID, when you visit online places. In other words, advertisers have to pay MS each and every time. 3. Associate MS telemetry, installed software, user data, usage times, screen time, usage history, search history, even bedtime, to the UUID. Obtain more data on you than anyone else has. (With possible exception of Chromebook and Android users.) 3a. Run LLM and other AI on all the private data, unearthing correlations and uncannily accurate patterns and characteristics about users and probabilities of their economic behaviors. 4. Increase the prices that advertisers must pay for the UUID API access, gradually over time, as the LLM pattern data on each user becomes scary powerful in its predictive accuracy. (It knows you often go to BevMo or Krispy Kreme right after your ex emails you, for example.) 5. Sell and make money from BOTH sides of the coin. Consumers pay for ongoing subscription, advertisers for targeted ads. (the Amazon Prime Video business model.) 6. Windows for ARM goes mobile!! That's right. It runs on the same Qualcomm ARM chips as your Android phone and tablet. Windows 13 Mobile Edition will feature a full (non-virtual) Android replication compatibility layer, PLUS give you access to all your OneDrive, Exchange, Office 365, and Teams ecosystem. And run native apps on Windows for ARM, as well as x86 through Prism. An absolute no-brainer for anyone in the Windows and/or Android ecosystems to buy one of these phones. For anti-trust reasons, MS will make the "Windroid" fork available to third parties like Samsung simultaneous to their product release, giving themselves first-in-line rights to sell and cash in on new Winmobile releases via their own "Surface Phones" and "Surface Tablets". 7. Get most people migrated by teasing them in with all these features, and locked into the MS desktop/laptop/mobile ecosystem. LOCK YOU IN. Here begins Microsoft Monopoly 2.0. It adheres to the BBBBB core mantra: *Bigger, *Better, *Badder, and more *Big Brother than ever! What you're calling adversarial now, you will look back on as the good old days of mostly being your own free person who owned and controlled your devices and data. You're now captured and captive, a battery cell in the Microsoft Matrix. 🪫😱🪫 ⚡ 🪟

[@yannick7230]

Just let us use Office 365 and OndeDrive on Linux, my work will gladly pay the subscription fee.

[@MR-vj8dn]

No ones forcing anyone to use OneDrive?!

[@yannick7230]

@@MR-vj8dn A lot of people have to use OneDrive and Microsoft office for their jobs.

[@SuperNovaRider]

Will regular user realize the danger of Microsoft and their Cloud-it-All approach? Well ... “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin

[@reapzzer]

If they disable Shift+F10 im basically unable to install Windows on my motherboard because the windows install by default doesnt detect either of the NICs or the WiFi card and the "Armoury crate" driver installer from UEFI kicks in only when you manage to get to desktop wtf

[@VSTMAN1337]

24H2 has option to install driver in OOBE :D

[@crash.override]

I'll be holding onto my physical Win11 installation thumbdrive indefinitely, since it predates these latest online M$ account shenanigans. I paid a pretty penny for your OS; here's the retail box to prove it; so stop jerking me around!! Having to wait for some extra updates to install is well worth the retaining my freedom & independence.

[@pyroslev]

Wendell reminds me of the uncle that got me into computers. He's got the cool toys, smart as hell but wants the kids in the family to be as excited and cautious as he is.

[@SrtRacerBoy]

Shift+F10 is old, now its all about the Answer Files on your Setup Flash Drive.

[@panvrek8952]

This.

[@warmachine5835]

And now I'm going to be looking out for that adversarial computing video.

[@CagedInSilence]

4:50 They also got rid of the briefcase that would automatically sync a USB drive with a folder on your computer when connected. It has been around for decades and worked fine. Now, it's gone.

[@acrodrigues1]

I can begin to smell from the other side of the pond some Gamers Nexus benchmarks to start being done on linux!

[@sleeplessindefatigable6385]

I'd love to see that. I want to see what kind of performance is lost through the Proton compatibility layer.

[@Winnetou17]

Can't wait to see that. And overclockers to use Linux too. It should be so much easier for them to not have to worry about the OS starting a stupid update or somethinig in the middle of a benchmark, randomly destroying one result. Though I'm not sure if Linux is ready yet with all the logging and diagnostics and hardware control stuff yet.

[@DigitalJedi]

@@sleeplessindefatigable6385 This would actually be a really cool video to make. Compare the native windows version to the native linux version if possible, and then proton where there's no native version. Maybe try to run the windwos version through proton anyways to compare native linux vs proton somehow.

[@iplyrunescape305]

@@sleeplessindefatigable6385 in some cases it's actually a gain

[@0x8080]

Wendell, I've shared your want for customizing the start menu so bad. Stop with OneDrive being forced down my neck, no more ads or candy crush jammed up in my start menu. I don't like having so many connections into my UX environment, it's more stuff to focus on, slows down my interface, and it just LOOKS ugly. (ahem, look at the Mac OSX interface, it's beautiful).

[@Razzbow]

Use atlasOS

[@jasonk9779]

The Start Menu has been broken ever since they reluctantly brought it back with Windows 8.1. I've used OpenShell ever since (was ClassicShell) to get rid of the utterly useless current Start Menu. Even on my Windows 11 machine.

[@CycloneGU]

I don't even use the Start menu on 10. I put shortcuts into the taskbar and I never have to look at it. The apps that are not games in Steam go there. Steam games I open in Steam. Anything I use all the time goes on the desktop, but I don't even use that often.

[@JMN_ALC]

Try free Open Shell! I can’t even use Windows 7 10 11 without it.

[@zackzeed]

As long as I can run WIndows Lite (Completely debloated windows without a bunch of telemetry services etc) I'm gonna continue using Windows. Let's be real here people, a lot of us probably can't or don't want to switch as long as Linux is not a viable option for people that Game, do homework etc on one machine. Actually it probably just boils down to what games you play, because the main reason for me personally are Anticheats, until AI anticheats are common that DON'T need to run kernel level (or on your machine in general) and don't care if you're using a VM or Linux then it's gonna be hard to switch completely. That and a lot of people don't have time to learn how to use Linux, even the very user friendly versions of Linux.

[@aesemon5392]

All companies that have moved to subscription service have lost me as a customer and gained a sailor.

[@surject]

..with an eye patch I guess.

[@LB-yg2br]

Drink up me hearties

[@PockyBum522]

This is an extremely interesting discussion. I and several friends have been trading complaints about Microsoft's dark patterns in Windows for years. It finally got so bad with pop up ads coming from the notification area in Windows 10/11 to try and get you to use (Edge, I think it was) and icons for Edge showing up on your desktop out of nowhere, that we all started using Linux desktop operating systems. It has been absolutely fantastic to have an operating system that is trying to sell you NOTHING and lets you make your own choices. I am never going back to a Microsoft operating system. They could fix all of these patterns overnight and I still wouldn't. I gain nothing, and that trust has already been broken.

[@NoSmoke1]

What distro did you guys use? I'm building my desktop soon and looking to finally get away from windows

[@PockyBum522]

@@NoSmoke1 Linux mint is great. I've had no complaints. You can install darn near everything through the software manager!

[@NoSmoke1]

@@PockyBum522 mint it is. Thanks homie 😁

[@originalscreenname44]

The "give Edge a shot" pop ups were the nadir of Microsoft software design. If you have to forcefully beg people to use your stuff you have completely lost the plot.

[@deeznuttes9340]

normies don't care and that's windows biggest customer base for windows 10/11 Linux will ALWAYS be niche, microsoft could make windows ME again and people would still use it over linux in 90% of cases. look at the fucking steam survey if you really want that data. Literally 2.4% of the last steam hardware and software survey were linux users, a little under half of those users were just steam deck users. Valve is literally carrying the linux community on its fucking back right now

[@KyloNeko]

one of the things i noticed with windows 10 is they started to push updates that lead to system instability and i eventually switched alot of my computers to linux mint 22

[@DrJ3RK8]

I HAVE had enough. I have one Windows machine (my living room game machine). Everything else is running something else, and I already jumped to Apple for my laptop and studio needs. Never thought I'd do it, or say this, but Apple is WAY more friendly to intelligent users than MS now. Kinda sickening, but it's true. I've been swapping all my PCs that do anything other than AAA games to Linux as well. MS is ALMOST dead to me.