DOES MW3 ZOMBIES SUCK? The Act Man VS Milo (No Nonsense Podcast Ep 01)

Welcome to the FIRST EVER No Nonsense Podcast, featuring ‪@TheActMan‬ and debating if MW3 Zombies SUCKS or not.
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[@TheActMan]

There was not a scrap of nonsense in this podcast. Thanks for having me on, man!!

[@crawredbull]

Please return for a Halo 5 episode!🙏

[@The_Babe]

Woohoo! This is awesome, was just about to watch your "changing the Halo TV show" video, I finished the season yesterday and enjoyed it despite its shortcomings.

[@dylanhopkins14]

Been following you for about a year now bud, loved seeing you both together talking about the topic as a whole. I also agree with your tweet. Mw3 zombies and the entire game is ass and it is indeed depressing. For anyone with any resistance.. go watch The act mans videos talking about how World at war was a masterpiece. Exactly the things cod is missing today. You're doing good shit with your videos sir keep it going

[@KingLynnardThaGawd]

Please do more content together

[@cubo_rojo7283]

Great crossover man, I really enjoy your opinion on every cod,I truly wish you would give MWZ another chance, I think its a great and different experience.

[@DestinyCool202]

Honestly never thought I’d see these guys talking to each other, but this is pretty cool.

[@STUFFfromthegooddays]

Pretty sure they played halo together couple years ago

[@Richtofens_revenge]

Yeah

[@crawredbull]

What do you mean? They played and streamed Halo Infinte multiplayer togheter

[@STUFFfromthegooddays]

@@crawredbull yeah, halo infinites launch Is when they first were introduced to each other. Milo has a VOD of it

[@Miniman15]

It's a crossover episode!

[@HiddenXperia]

LMAO this is the most surreal crossover, when are we getting together for a 3 way gentleman?

[@35shadowthehedgehog]

Eyyy that sounds great. By the way, have you played Lethal Company yet? It seems right up your alley.

[@Dave_Chrome]

the 116 podcast!

[@OT_Sauce]

Ayoooo

[@chonkychookie6949]

lets go! Id love to see you all on a podcast.

[@Miniman15]

Four way? Bring me on too?

[@nuggetclone8406]

Now this is a crossover I didn’t expect

[@evans29091998]

Was about to comment exactly that. Kinda love it tho

[@Richtofens_revenge]

Same

[@ItsAGorillaBaby]

The most ambitious cross-over event since the Jimmy-Timmy Power Hour Trilogy.

[@gingah755]

Bro just unlocked a memory i completely forgot about.

[@christopherjordan2890]

What a throwback lmao

[@enbeats2762]

BANGER movies 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrAjking808]

Just stop

[@bradleyjenkins2271]

Petition to get these in an audio format to listen to while at work!!!

[@MrRoflWaffles]

will look into ways I can do this for you!

[@TheRedrocketrover]

Please do! You have a good voice too listen too 😅

[@xo999.]

youtube premium😏

[@callumlyons7905]

create a Spotify podcast account?

[@harmoen]

Go to KZbin on your web browser on your phone and it should let you play it in the background (depending on what browser/version you have)

[@rjreynolds5069]

YES MILO MAKE THIS PODCAST PERMANENT IT WILL CARRY THE ZOMBIES COMMUNITY. GOAT GOAT GOAT

[@beardeddude6888]

🐐

[@eugenebean234]

lol remember zombroz?

[@antibuddhhaa8951]

Two people just discussing their opinions and not letting the other’s pov upset them if almost thought I’d ever see the day this was a pleasant experience thank you both

[@bobdarrick2628]

No problem bhaisaab!

[@BiqRedOne]

These videos are honestly what the zombies community needs right now, you’ve been killing it recently with all these thoughtful discussion videos. Btw I think the “what’s your favourite zombies game and map” question is an excellent way to cap off each podcast and should be a constant!

[@thomashopkins9854]

I’m one minute into this, and I already know I’m going to love this. I’ve been a fan of The Act Man for quite some time now, and I just discovered Milo about two weeks ago but I’m already a fan!

[@pejabob3180]

This is, without a doubt, a no nonsense moment. Can't wait to watch more

[@limitbreak2966]

Yea I like this, I don’t usually listen to podcasts but 27:02 yea the time limit is just a bit too short, an extra 30 minutes would be PERFECT, and at max extra 60. No time limit would be awful though

[@bobdarrick2628]

Nice one bhaisaab

[@NEHPETS1999]

loving these different video formats and branching out to different things, also looking forward to more podcasts too hopefully! keep it up, loving the content

[@alexanderdean4603]

Love this, I just love this. I've been watching both channels for quite a long time, love to see two great creators come together!

[@pyxlhertz]

Waffles PODCAST? I can’t wait to see more episodes this is awesome :)

[@justanotheraccounthere2014]

This MWZ situation reminds me the age old question of whether to change a large portion of the game to get new players at the risk of losing many or stay in the old tradition to keep the old guards around but posing a significant barrier of entry to new comers. It is very rare to see level headed discussion on this, so kudos to both parties. On one hand, a failure in adaptation might lose the old audience without capturing a significant amount of old ones. On the other hand, keeping the old tradition might lead to the road of arena shooters, as the old guards die out the audience gets smaller and smaller with passing time.

[@shianemi7595]

id rather it keep its old audience and very slowly but eventually die out while at least its identity is still intact. imo its too late for that because mwz is the living embodiment of identity crisis. if anyone likes mwz chances are that its someone who never even liked zombies and probably prefer warzone and dmz because honestly if you ask me mwz isnt even zombies and just because they put literal zombies in it still doesn’t make it cod zombies

[@panzershreck8077]

Why not have both? Are people this genuinely blind to the fact this is a billion dollar company making these video games? They can have the budget to make 3 round based maps AND a dmz mode in one game. But activision realises that they'll have retar*s arguing over if we should have rb or dmz lmfao. Stupidity at its finest. I'd bet you a million dollars if people just said no to this garbage we'd get a proper triple A made video game like the golden days of COD.

[@ASTRONIGHTCORE]

Losing the old audience is bad because they are die hard, new audience would drop it instantly

[@MrSoldierpants]

The golden days of COD are when according to you? They will NEVER make the community happy. This is the same community that asks for the same 3 maps every year. While also complaining about recycled content.

[@panzershreck8077]

@MrSoldierpants Golden days when there was actual innovation? Creativitiy? New ideas? Just look at how many iconic things there are in the old cods. Each one from bo1 to mw2 to bo2 had so much to them with some of the best campaigns we've ever had, best zombies experiences, and best multiplayer experiences. What do we have now? Warzone map with zombies placed on it? Warzone with campaign slapped on it? Multiplayer using maps made 20 years ago because they're incompetent at making anything new and intriguing. It's no wonder why people want the same 3 old maps back, it's cus these devs are garbage at their job ( well truthfully speaking it's activision realising they don't need to give any development time to their studios since they know everyone is gon buy their dogshit anyways). But hey, it is what it is. The last cod game I bought was cod ww2, so it's not like I gotta worry bout a bunch of slop eaters playing their yearly garbage. I should probably worry for when the day comes that all these consoomers leave COD and go to infest other beloved franchises with their blind consumerism

[@gobreen4391]

i love that both milo and the act man are normal rational human beings and can have a normal conversation about what is bad and good and not just yell at each other over twitter

[@KooFsWing]

love this and glad you are doing a podcast style video hopefully you can get all the old pals on here keep it up milo!!

[@icantbelieveitsnotbuttersw2624]

I do hope this a trend that continues, cause I haven't watched your content since bo3 days and it feels very refreshing to see talking head pieces more than just guides or lore. I dont even have mw3 or played any zombies past bo3 but have been watching several of the talking pieces with the whiteboard and the hidden xperia vid. idk if this is popular but I'll stick around if this is the future trend

[@blazevoptixzz9748]

HOLY huge W! This is so cool, please let these be an ongoing thing!

[@MrFanservice]

a point on the time limit that I feel wasn't touched on is how it's essentially another form of manufactured incentivization that the game throws at you. Because Milo basically hit the nail on the head; without it everything you're doing in a match basically means nothing. If you could just sit in one match the whole time, learn the whole mode from match one and just farm everything out in one long sitting, you now no longer have a reason to come back and do it again. "Why would I go through to tier 3 if I already did it?". The timer forces you to actually choose what you want to do in a match, which again means nothing if all you're doing is the same contract missions over and over again. Honestly, the whole mode this year just lacks any sort of soul

[@MrFanservice]

I know, essayist in the comments. But thinking about it, this is kind of why Gorod Krovi is silently the greatest zombies map of all time. Cause yes, it's hard as all hell. However, it's arguably the only map we've seen that has perfectly blended the traditional zombies ideas with the ideas of "contract/exfil zombies". In the map you have the traditional wave gameplay that zombies is known for. But once you start doing the easter egg, there comes a point to when it basically becomes a contract mode due to the trophies

[@panzershreck8077]

​@MrFanservice Making a map like Gorod Krovi would require devs knowing how to make something good and passionate. That will never happen again with the way these studios are setup. They all make their new games to have people endlessly buying MTX and trying to artificially increase playtime. Zombies is dead now. Not because of activision, but because of the masses buying these games.

[@MrFanservice]

@@panzershreck8077 it honestly made me so sad, coming to the realization to that as an older zombies fan I am no longer the target audience. sure I'm happy people can find enjoyment from the game, it just sucks that the original identity/mode had to die for it

[@panzershreck8077]

@@MrFanservice eh, people will realise soon the mode has nothing fun to offer. You need to realise these people spend $90 CAD on this garbage. They'll do anything to defend it and convince people they're having fun. And activision tries to reinforce the players purchase by giving them weapon levels for playing the mode so you feel like there's a sense of progression playing the mode when it's all just artificial progression. But yeah the games aren't made for us anymore mate, it's meant for idiots who will consume any product no matter how bad it is. Once you realise that, it's time to just move on from the series as a whole 👍.

[@aBadWizard]

LET'S GO! Milo & ActMan podcast?! Christmas came early!

[@tubbisaurusrex]

I really love some of my favorite creators collaborating like this. Great stuff!

[@feistyylilthing]

i always love seeing my favorite tubers collabing out of no where

[@sinistersurfer9249]

Two of my favorite dudes having a no nonsense discussion. This was excellent, please do more of these milo. You're interviewing skills are excellent!

[@bkrboyy93]

I love this! I need this! Love listening to you talk about CoD and Zombies

[@MangledMangler]

This is amazing, have enjoyed both of your content for awhile! Definitely want another Episode of this tho plz

[@loganduncan4837]

This was an amazing first podcast episode! Absolutely love it and I can't wait for more!

[@GeometricalPhur]

Huge fan of long podcast type videos! Keep up the grind Milo! Nice to see ActMan feature ❤

[@thebrownbear1234]

I’m super hyped to see these podcasts. More Milo please. 🙏🏻

[@m1r4499]

Playing some mob with this in the background. Chef's kiss

[@findlaybrookman7779]

LETTS GOO didn't expect to get a full podcast keep it going!!

[@victormoreno5386]

Loved this conversation. We all have our criticisms, but one thing remains pretty similar. We all had one moment in zombies that hooked us. And a lot of our experiences are so different and I love it.

[@swagmoney2342]

A surprise to be sure… But a welcome one!! Love that you guys got together for this! Two of my favorites in one video let’s go!!

[@HotPocketEnjoyer]

been following both of you forever literally! this was awesome!

[@robertscott5663]

Love this, long format discussion really shows perspective

[@steelkirby794]

I'd love you to have Reed (Radaustin27) be a guest on the podcast. You and him tbh are the main guys I go for lore info back in the day. Be interesting to hear both of your takes and debates on the whole zombies storyline and where it's headed.. hell, get the og zombros podcast JohnnyJ25 and Mcsporzhawk while we're at it too but that's just wishful thinking. Glad this is a new thing you're doing Milo and looking forward to newer episodes

[@rebelwhite]

That Yoteslaya shout brought back so many Borderlands 2 legendary weapon guides flooding back to mind, such a huge fan of his content way back when. RIP.

[@twaubizzy]

Loved to see both of my favorite CoD/zombies creators on one podcast style video. We need more of these collabs! Maybe do one with Lex and Noah if possible

[@aBadWizard]

ActMan keeps pointing out the exact things I've seen many people say, and I don't think he's stealing their opinion and parroting it to play to that audience. I think ActMan has probably played a decent amount of CoD Zombies over the years, and he has every right to point out the egregious misteps he sees from his perspective as a more OG CoD Zombies enjoyer. Lots of us more OG CoD Zombies enjoyers hear his points and we know that he feels just how we do. Betrayed and abandoned as not just a customer, but as an entire faithful community...

[@ColinAmes]

I remember act man not liking even bo3 I’m pretty sure, he’s always had strange zombie takes

[@mex4071]

@@ColinAmesno

[@aBadWizard]

​​@@ColinAmes Looks like you were right, but he says here that he came to like Bo3 after trying Bo4.

[@darkvoidb9717]

The act man doesn't know anything about zombies lop he just regurgitating what everyone be saying.

[@otterpuente]

2 great KZbinrs collabing/debating. You love to see it.

[@LukaiVT]

I need more of this!!! Would love to see more guests on and as a custom zombies fan maybe a guest that make/play custom maps opinions on mw3 zombies would be interesting!

[@jstkilledwho6944]

How crazy 2 of my favorite people to watch, having a conversation about cod zombies, this is awesome

[@JadonKaiser]

You mentioned the possibility of a Gulf War zombies teaser event in MWZ a couple of videos ago and the idea has me so hyped.

[@literarydemon8496]

Excited for this podcast! Maybe chapters in the future eps?

[@rorywallis6958]

What the actual f*** lol this is awesome 😂 Never thought this collaboration would ever happen haha

[@crossface-qz4dm]

34:00 Glad to hear him mention yoteslaya man. Brings back memories. Gone but never forgotten. 🙏

[@DizzyEyes94]

This is honestly exactly what I would have preferred to see once you first mentioned Act Man's hot take. This is the kind of conversation I wanna see about MWZ before I even consider getting it.

[@jordangraham8610]

I absolutely love this new type of video, I always thought milo would be good at podcasts and I'm glad he's breaching out to this zone.

[@TaylorLaFountain]

Been watching since bo2, you’re going off with the content lately bro keep it up!

[@nhilly1021]

Two of the most interesting people in the cod community coming together is always a good thing. I just hope the higher ups listen to this

[@melmintg4320]

Brooooo I’ve been asking you todo this for ages on Twitter 🙌🏼🙌🏼 this is my night sorted!

[@SHINYGOLDSSTARZ]

YES, YES , YES. PLS KEEP THIS UP!!!!!!! THIS IS GOLDEN! FINALLY A PODCAST ABOUT ZOMBIES, AND CALL OF DUTY.....GAMING IN GENERAL!!!

[@nadirbaitsaleem7270]

Can't believe the video breakdown on people roasting The Act Man lead to this 😂 You love to see it

[@BBB_photography_adventures]

love the idea for a no nonsense podcast especially at the moment would love to here you talk to more zombies youtubers and discuss MW3 and suggestion for making it better

[@ololadin91]

Nice to see 2 of my favorit youtubers in one video together. ❤ Maybe you guys should talk again when next years CoD comes out 😊

[@DaboiSigma]

First started watching milo during bo2 and actman during halo reach or odst so its dope to see yall working together

[@TransfiguringFire]

I first and foremost want to say that you, sir, are by far the best Zombies KZbinr. You are incredibly clear and concise. You have single-handedly helped me throughout the years in my Zombies gameplay. Without you, I would have never discovered so many secrets. IMO, this MW Zombies is to help satisfy our itch for a new Zombies while simultaneously attempting to recruit new Zombies players. One thing I think we should remember is that Zombies is a Black Ops mode and the Zombies that have been released outside of the Black Ops franchise has been different from the traditional mode. It goes without saying that I sure hope Black Ops 6 provides us with the best Zombies ever with intricate Easter eggs, secrets, new original maps, a solid and immersive story, characters, guns, and enemies while maintaining the traditional Zombies “feel.”

[@cjsayers3346]

Easy solution for the match time limit/ difficulty curve issues. Keep the 3 zone aspect, but as time rolls on, increase the difficulty. Like the opening room of Foresaken, but a little slower, obviously.

[@slimeloe]

great podcast act man should definitely come back on sometime, the entire thing was really chill

[@Supersonic005]

My favorite two youtubers together at last and i'm all here for it 🥳🥳🥳

[@vindicta7130]

Love watching both of you guys lol this is awesome

[@CynicMichael]

Most people dont realize Shi No Numa was the first zommbies map ever to be it's own map or have its own map layout

[@wksers_serks]

To be completely honest, i would absolutely love more podcasts (no nonsense or not xD) like this. Always been a fan of sharing opinions in a reasonable and peaceful manner (y'know, unlike Twitter for example lol). The "we can disagree on things but we're still friends/cool about it at the end of day" So yeah, if you ever find this sort of videos up your alley and want to make more of em? By all means do it. it's quite entertaining and interesting to watch (or listen to).

[@kevinghazzard35]

So didn’t expect this. I will watch rest tmrw I’m so intrigued

[@TheAHuman]

The No Nonsense Podcast is already going up as one of my must listens along side Adeptus Ridiculous and Trash Taste

[@zyzir]

this and official podcast

[@aliceinbunnyland]

you know, with this convo about the issue with difficulty in the tier system. i had this thought that it would be kinda cool for the tier zones to grow over time so that while tier 3 is only the middle part when you spawn in, by the time the timer runs out, the entire map is tier 3.

[@Glennavar]

I was really hesitant to watch this video as I didn't want to watch people trying to force there opinions on milo and such but boy am I glad I did! The way you BOTH expressed your thoughts and opinions on the mode was fantastic and the fact you could come to common ground with no drama either was just perfect. I myself have completed all zombies missions for the game right now and Ive been having a blast if I'm being honest, how ever I do also see where Act man is coming from and I do feel there could be some improvements that could drastically help the mode develop in the future.

[@lordoflucis1173]

Such a cool video, Glad you two did this ❤

[@blackopsrocky622]

LET'S GO! My 2 fave video game analyzers in one!!!

[@roberthenderson9033]

I love the spotlight Milo keeps on the zombies game mode. I just try to remember back to the feeling I had when we saw the preview to revelations back in BO3. The anticipation I had is what Treyarc needs to capture.

[@joshuaarriero]

Yesssssss i was hoping you would naturally just make a podcast

[@xXxKAMIKAZExXx]

Two of my favourite KZbinrs doing a podcast together? This is awesome!

[@sneakyninja2773]

Love this kind of content Milo! Super great to listen too! It may benefit from some gameplay in the background, but im not totally sure!

[@fentonace9818]

Gameplay in the background is only for dopamine addicts and low attention span people

[@jrrocha532]

I only knew this was coming up cs milo showed genuine curiosity in his points while reacting to his video and actmans one of the few KZbinrs real enough to have a mature discussion/ disagreement

[@AGGaming...]

this Video was great seeing both of ur guys takes on the game, perfect merge

[@crawredbull]

I loved this! Please get the Act Man back for an episode about Halo 5 aswell! Considering your opinions on the game couldn't be more different, it would make for a great discussion

[@PoppoClips]

Literally only 2 KZbinrs I consistently watch these days, awesome collab

[@matthewstanley4597]

I'm new to your content and really love your views ✨️ keep up the hard work and amazing content ✨️

[@Nagria2112]

very respectful, good convo. keep it up boys. (i made a long comment how i feel)

[@Muphlez]

This is like seeing a crossover that I never thought I’d ever see lol

[@Ben-yu8in]

Ayyye I'm here for this. Please do more podcasts

[@swishaburna9172]

The crossover dawg I love these guys

[@GRANDTHEFTBATO]

Btw Milo I do wanna point out one thing he mentioned about operator having quotes for zombies most don’t have any but a select few Im sure do cause I know forsure makarov has one. So far he’s the only operator I’ve used who has made undead comments or even when calling for exfil he mentions fang to pick him up. Wether it’s just select operators having the quotes or there is story implications involved is remain to be seen

[@An_Actual_Fish]

I think something nobody talks about is the art direction of the zombies themselves. Like the zombies and bosses look different. About 400 ish years passed in the dank aether and it kinda shows especially with manglers and deciples. Manglers had to improve and repair their armor with modern looking ones to keep up. And deciples got a complete visual overhaul. Mimics and abominations tho remain mostly unchanged. But I like the art direction of spores and gore, and warm orange and red color tones and whatnot. It's sick

[@QuiGonGucci]

In my opinion instead of a storm coming that makes u exfil they could have made the tier 2 and 3 ares spread to the whole map, more zombies more bosses, give an incentive to meet up with other players in the lobby to fight the hordes. Could keep the 15 minute timer like when the storm comes and if u all survive free exfil if not u die. ( could still have other exfils to leave when u want) idk just something i think would have been cool

[@leekellygaming]

The fact we are even discussing if round-based should be in the game shows that zombies is in big trouble. Zombies is round-based. Everything else is a side mode. Since 2017 zombies has been hollow.

[@TheEgoChallenge]

I think that the main issue for me, and this goes all the way back to Cold War, Zombies needs a set cast, not operators. How can you connect to the story when your playing as Skeletor or Lara Croft? Mob of The Dead was good because you played as mobster inmates, BO3 was good because we had Primis.

[@Vazel]

Most unexpected collab ever. HUGE W

[@Kipperfaust]

Hey Milo, Just wanted to say you've been killing it in terms of content the last year or so. Obviously Vanguard was a bit of a lull, but oddly enough, that's when I found myself becoming more of a fan of Milo, rather than MrRoflWaffles. Your growth during that time in terms of physical and mental health was inspiring to watch. Obviously at the time you were doing a lot of experimenting with content and you seemed very uncertain about the future of the channel and what direction to take, but with that said, I absolutely ADORED your first experience of the Halo saga. So entertaining to watch. Fast forward about two years and, man, It's good to see you coming over that hump and absolutely crushing it. Hope you see this, keep it up and thanks all the hours of entertainment throughout the years.

[@jorgeadame5019]

Need more conversations like this!

[@pinkfrappe_]

There CAN BE a normal Exfil in the T2 zone. I’ve seen it spawn on the sportsball field and somewhere else roughly in the northwest of T2, I can’t remember the exact spot on that one. And the difficulty does increase when the timer ticks down, but not until the last 15 minutes. As the Aether Storm expands, the zombies inside of it are one tier of difficulty higher than the zone you’re in up to a max of T3. All while the storm deals DoT that I’m not sure if PhD Flopper negates. It’s not a good enough difficulty curve to warrant there being a timer, but it is technically there.

[@Freckleston1]

Yes these are gonna SLAP, hope to see more

[@drsolbasol8246]

Need more of these podcasts, this was great

[@khanager2814]

Amazing first guest! Really enjoyed it.

[@wailingbridge3872]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS COLLAB, would love to see Milo and ActMan get together for another collab again

[@NastynateH-mp6jp]

Collab I never expected 😭 this awesome

[@AxielGG]

Really good video Milo keep up the good work cannot wait to see the next Episode.

[@tabdggaming]

I really hope that the developers are listening to this, they need to listen to every word said in this podcast. great job guys, keep it going

[@kylebriggs2913]

Love this! Keep the podcasts coming! A bit disappointing that act man didnt even put in enough time in game to know that you dont get to keep PaP after exfil. Seems like he just wanted to hate it from the start because it is not round based and never actually gave it a chance

[@thekodawolfgaming]

This conversation is very nice it’s having two different players from two different camps in how they play and feel about zombies. I don’t feel any anger from either of you, it’s a sign for the zombies community and shows not everyone is down for this mode but the mode isn’t the worst thing ever, things could be worse and we all know that. This version of the mode has issues and they need to be acknowledged by players. I want to keep trying the mode but there’s nothing making me want to.