Does Photog or Mom Own Rights to Child Pics? | Part 1

Jeri offered her friend a free photoshoot if she could use the pics to promote her business - and things went south from there!
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[@DJ-bg3de]

When JJ says, “Just a second” it means it’s over for you.

[@Boertje247]

lol lol!

[@artgroupie]

Always 🤣🤣🤣

[@stars8924]

I read this and then she said it Lmaooo 😩😂😂

[@blkpo14]

😂

[@deesowell2638]

Yep. It's usually followed by we're done!

[@yolandejacobs6881]

Oh that signature bop in her chair makes my day every time 🤣

[@DJ-bg3de]

I love it too. And when she says “just a second”

[@yolandejacobs6881]

@@DJ-bg3de or when she says “hey!” And smacks the podium surface🤣🤣🤣

[@DJ-bg3de]

@@yolandejacobs6881 🤣

[@shannondoyle2694]

Hahaha so true

[@lottiecharman6946]

She's so cute 🥲

[@CWYounger10]

Did the grandmother really try to tell the Judge the law? Big mistake.

[@earleenvierra6558]

The defendants were trying to manipulate their responses in the hope that it would help their case. U don’t do that in front of JJ and not look stupid.

[@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206]

@@earleenvierra6558 they were warned! Multiple times, I believe!

[@mhlengimbokazi4106]

Was bout to pass but WHAT

[@paulrodriguez4075]

There’s many ways around the law. But when you start your case with free . Yea

[@johnsmi213]

I think people are so clueless about the law. Like the guy who printed out laws that bicyclists have to adhere to in his state after running him over when he was a lane designated for bicyclists. Like Judge Judy would have seen it and said "Oh, now that I've read bicyclists should always wear a helmet and look both ways, it's his fault you ran him over." But they have to prepare for a case and if they don't have a legitimate defense, they just bend whatever they can find to prove their case. Also in cases where someone obviously damages their property and they even admitted to it in a police report but then say "No, I didn't" or "How do you know that damage wasn't already there?" as if they can give probable doubt like it's some murder case.

[@vickil3256]

Attitude written all over mom's face. 🙄🙄🙄

[@wontsufferfools9332]

Ohhh that's what that is What's that thing under her chin?

[@deborahjeanne2141]

JJ had been around long enough that you would think litigants would know better than cop attitude with her. Yet, they continue to do it even when JJ says it’s not going to go well for them…..

[@mybrothaskeeper4156]

That's just her frumpy face 🤣🤣🤷🏾‍♂️

[@krystalmcguffie7324]

@@mybrothaskeeper4156 🤣🤣🤣

[@carpediem5343]

@@wontsufferfools9332 that’s Peter Griffin’s chin

[@dougakizuki100]

The photographer is very polite, respectful and honest. I would use her business if I lived in the area in a heartbeat. I'll bet if she has a family they are model citizens.

[@KingMasey]

Iiiooiooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo❤

[@dolcesweet5173]

Oh goodness, another annoying defendant. Let me guess, the friends had a falling out and the defendant is now being petty.

[@JustAJinx-ci6hg]

Least she coulda done is not stare down the whole time and give us a massive double chin the whole time. Surprised she didn't eat her kid.

[@wontsufferfools9332]

So right!

[@gotc86]

« former friends » makes me so sad.

[@Daniel9-2]

Omg 😳 you so right omg ttyl y’all

[@kathleendestefano5577]

👍

[@AmandaJ__]

Her posture HURTS me

[@mochs62512]

My upper back was killing me lol

[@theroamingmoose415]

Both times I've hired a photographer, the contracts CLEARLY stated that they retained the rights to use the pictures, and I received some free ones. OR, I could pay a bit more and would receive the rights with my photos.

[@CaritheEntertainer]

I'm happy y'all saying this. I will never let my child have photos taken professionally.

[@FullofSouthernCharm]

I love when people who haven't been to law school try to tell a judge about law.

[@An0niem4]

There are some local laws or regulations judges might not be aware of. It's quite common to point out the existence of those laws if they seem to get overlooked. But you don't do it in a 'well acktually' way like mum Karen did here

[@erickmatamoros1853]

@@An0niem4 if that was the case don’t go to a judge outside of your jurisdiction. Don’t be dumb

[@An0niem4]

@@erickmatamoros1853 The whole concept that 'everyone has to know the law' is unrealistic, even for judges. A judge in arbitration court (like Judy) can try cases all over te country in all kinds of jurisdictions.

[@erickmatamoros1853]

@@An0niem4 if that is the case why continue to complain

[@An0niem4]

@@erickmatamoros1853 you are the one complaining about telling judges about the law. I'm telling you that pointing out lesser known relevant legislation is normal part of arguing a case

[@minervaloves]

If the son looks angelic, then he looks like his dad 🙈

[@faithbarrows8324]

💀💀

[@samanthaworme636]

Epic!!!!!

[@carriemindplsable]

Ha ha I agree

[@sophiaerzumiah162]

😂

[@glenngatlen8179]

Ohhhhh snap!!!!

[@philipdraper7284]

Why did the defendant wear a cocktail gown to court lol

[@courtany7871]

Some people think dress nice means dress like you’re going to a party. Really a blouse and either a skirt or pants is all you need.

[@megancharland5269]

At least grab a cardigan or something…

[@SineN0mine3]

@@courtany7871 For court, yeah but this is TV. Gotta make the most out of your 15 mins, you might not get another!

[@artianna85]

Screaming 😂

[@lower_than_furries9727]

It’s the Illinois law.

[@MackeyGuild]

As a semi professional photographer...... Wow.... but there is one thing I stand on. Long time friends are not. Always, always, always get a contract/written agreement regarding the free photo sessions in exchange for business advertising. You never know when deals can go south, especially when the work is already done.

[@julietteoscaralphanovember2223]

Exactly. I had pics done of my granddaughter and the photographer wanted to use some for her portfolio but I had to sign a release for her to be able to do so.

[@kimberlyf.4130]

I agree, except it depends on the friends. I have a good family friend who is a photographer, and when we use her we always pay her full fee and tip afterwards. Good friends will never shortchange or try to barter for your art, at least that's my humble opinion.

[@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206]

@@kimberlyf.4130 people like that are increasingly difficult to find! I hope your friend realizes how lucky she is! ☮️💜

[@batsbatsghost8757]

Yeeeeup. Always have contracts in place when you're doing freelance work.

[@rigo9473]

I used to hate judge Judy. But now I realize what a great judge she is.

[@larryqueen]

Same here 🤚🏽🤚🏽

[@stevecox7075]

How could anyone hate Judge Judy? 😮

[@ShichibukaiKuma]

You became a grown woman

[@Kirby4life620]

me as well!

[@rigo9473]

@@ShichibukaiKuma its insulting but funny. 😂 thanks for the laugh.

[@Oncearanger88]

When you’re a child and you watch Judge Judy, you think that she is just some mean cranky old lady. Then as you grow older, and you start working for the public, you realize you side with that mean cranky old lady.

[@JamesEtheridge-fm5wc]

People have asked me how in the hell can you watch that bitch? My reply is, she is sworn to uphold the law. And some of those people, I don't blame her for getting mad with them.

[@RahenGroup]

I love judge Judy 😂 She doesn’t take any BS

[@MrCamp]

“Illinois law says…” Lady, you CHOSE to get a free trip to California to have your case heard! To quote the great Judge Judy: “WHO CARES!”

[@SweetGlitter1309]

The defendant could not have choose a worse top to wear. I’m feeling suffocated just watching her.

[@JustAJinx-ci6hg]

13 grandkids. Damn JJ, that's a big ole family :)

[@jaimeelymm5706]

right, i love big families

[@exoressdelivers70]

But imagine the poor guy who had to 'work' with JJ to get those kids.He probably was scared as hell.😟

[@amielawson8344]

@@exoressdelivers70 She is actually really kind.

[@jaanzaz2000]

Judge Judy has 5 kids. If you divide 13 grandkids among 5 kids that's 2.6 kids for each.

[@JustAJinx-ci6hg]

@@jaanzaz2000 still a lot of kids tho

[@emkimkw1411]

The advertisement was the offer, and she accepted when she agreed to have her child model for the photo shoot… never try to teach the law to a judge 😂

[@auggiecontreras8068]

1st time I've ever seen someone keep their mouth shut when they were clearly winning 😄

[@justynjonn]

Her face even slouches!

[@kellyekell]

The mother was so dense. Wow. (Also you could tell from her body language that she wasn't comfortable in her fancy outfit.)

[@munkeee87]

🤣 savage

[@tracyd693]

Right. She's standing there all hunched over like Quasimodo.

[@tylahoc9271]

@@tracyd693 Quasimodo 😂😂😂😂

[@julia.c.mcclure92]

😂

[@maxwell4431]

That is fancy?

[@karljacobson7811]

I always use a Release Form that the customer signs indicating that I have rights to these photos for advertising. In return the customer gets a dozen photos.

[@marinam.2293]

Smart. But then...where's the drama? You mean you just conduct business like a sane and professional adult? Wow, what a concept...🤔 😂😂😂

[@Jim_Jones_Guyana]

If the customer doesn't want you to retain the rights & they're paying money for portraits, is that ever a problem? I'm asking seriously. Besides I.D., the last portrait I've had was 30+ years ago for my high school year book. Will you work with customers you don't want you to retain the rights to their photos? Will any pro photographers? Before digital cameras I guess the customer could request the negatives, but now with digital cameras.... 🤷‍♂️

[@karljacobson7811]

Jim Jones sometimes that is requested and I am okay with it. Usually it is a boudoir or lingerie shoot that the customer only wants her husband to see. It doesn’t happen often, but in these cases, I agree because I have plenty of other photos to advertise my services.

[@Jim_Jones_Guyana]

@@karljacobson7811 Cool. I was just curious. Thank you.

[@worldofreviewschannel9278]

It's crazy how the lady can think she knows more than Judge Judy

[@reonakimora8424]

lmaoo she said “ you weren’t there don’t speak✋🏾”🤣🤣

[@munkeee87]

Lol why does the mum stand like that making a double chin. Her attitude is frustrating

[@RoughJustice2k18]

She just had to bring up " ILLINOIS LAW " as if it was important (it wasn't) - the mother should have stayed home.

[@chriscode6431]

Because unless she stands with a specific stature, she will have multiple chins. She's just a fat gal. The chins cannot be avoided

[@LipstickNWhiskey]

😂 not the double chin!

[@raa8504]

She thought maybe that angle work better to cover her chin 🤔 🤣

[@krystalmcguffie7324]

These comments are hilarious 😂

[@anndeecosita3586]

The photos were taken by a business for free so what did the defendant expect? I have paid for professional photo shoots for things like headshots, model portfolios and album cover. Although I paid for the pictures to be taken that still didn’t give me copyright to the photos. So the photographer and I had to draw up a contract where I paid so they relinquish the rights to me. Otherwise I could have been sued for duplicating the photos. Ever notice when you go places like Walgreens they won’t duplicate pro photos without documentation you have the authority? On the other hand I’m also a photographer/videographer but because I mostly did this as an employee of companies the companies own the rights to all my work not me.

[@lorenzosimmons5507]

Her mom has been fighting her battles her whole life

[@rosej5029]

I like how JJ warns people to think b4 u speak bcause if u don't I'm going to make u look like an idiot.🤣🤣

[@marcellavereline7763]

I worked with this defendant in retail during high school. She was a lied then, no surprise to see her here.

[@halfdemon4lifeintime]

Um.. From what I have always known, photographers have the rights to photos you allow them to take. They can use them as they please. Especially if the images are free. Always strings attached

[@shangc2781]

Like the monkey naruto en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute

[@mirazekry6862]

Mahalko’s posture is so pretty! It’s so curvy n leans forward!!

[@WarGrowlmon18]

"Do you have an angelic looking child???" "Yes???" Notice how her answer sounded like a question too.🤣🤣🤣

[@ieatpussy1000]

Never go full Karen

[@grouphomegoddess]

These ppl always think they know the law and "rules"

[@naysha2271]

If you don’t have to speak during a Judge Judy case, you’re probably winning.

[@HollyBerry0255]

As a photographer, I hate people like this. I also retain the rights to all my images and can use them as I please. Do I respect my clients? Absolutely. But I do have the right to use any photo I take in advertising my business. People are nuts. She got free photos done for her and she agreed to do it for advertising. I just can't. The Mum and her don't have two braincells to rub together between em.

[@anacondaadultlearningcente4522]

I would never do business with you if you would assume total ownership over a product I have paid you to produce. If you want license to the images I am paying for then that is a separate clause in the contract and would require some accommodation or remuneration.

[@jukebox1096]

@@anacondaadultlearningcente4522 the law says that the photographer has the copyright

[@HollyBerry0255]

@@anacondaadultlearningcente4522 That's nice? As a Canadian I legally hold the rights to all my photos. Like I said literally above, I respect my clients, but I do have the right to use my photos as I choose since they are my artistic property. That is the law. Would I use them if a client specifically asked me not to and we had come to that agreement before the photos were taken? No, I wouldn't. But legally I retain the rights to all of my photos.

[@anacondaadultlearningcente4522]

@@jukebox1096 which law? Which country?

[@anacondaadultlearningcente4522]

@@HollyBerry0255 I still have the right to not do business with you based on your business criteria.

[@konsejitos]

"You and your MODA!!!" LOL

[@amberlance3221]

This needs to be in r/choosingbeggars. Her logic before the shoot: "I'll pay for a family shoot with exposure" Her logic after seeing the ad: "HOW DARE YOU SHOW MY SON'S PHOTOS FOR FREE!"

[@jeaniquelouis1718]

Judge Judy is the original OG of the law! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dharmallars]

Imagine someone suing you because they were in the background of your selfie that you took in a public place. Like that’s why the copyright always goes to the photographer not the subject.

[@YETTheShow]

I love her. I want to get a beer with Judge Judy.

[@nosightgaming722]

Can’t she just be President already? That would be fantastic. Probably the only person that can save America lol.

[@kiwilerner]

Case, shmase. I am in love with the grandmother's crystal necklace!!

[@tonyrock123]

I don't think I could sit in the same room as that Mom for more than 10 minutes

[@andouille9950]

"Unless you are stupid?" Ha ha ha....

[@CoCo-yv3hl]

I love how savage she is

[@meganlewis2424]

If that mother was intending to use her child for modeling purposes, she pretty shot herself in the foot now. All the modeling agencies are going to watch this and decide not to work with her or her children ever again. Congrats to being black balled out of the modeling industry forever.

[@merricat3025]

Lucky for the kid

[@srideout91]

It’s the no neck for me.

[@user-fs3mn6fq3w]

No neck. No posture no waist. Stand up straight for Pete’s sake!!!

[@christiandilday7543]

Hey everyone stay blessed 🙌 😇 🙏

[@stuff1784]

The plaintiff looks zannied out 😵‍💫

[@joeywomer]

Defendant: "I liked the photo, but I'm complaining about her using them for her advertising to our agreement for some reason."

[@mariec8619]

People can’t answer simple yes or no questions

[@KrustyKlown]

NO Clue about Copyright Law, LOL. The photographer owns the copyright to those photos ... end of discussion.

[@grouphomegoddess]

Some these blondes look like they've had TOO much fun 😆

[@jeffrowisdabest]

Judge Judy knows how to deal with Karens better than anyone else in the world.

[@TheAdelaide9]

‘ Don’t speak’ 👏👏👏

[@nancyhoward7005]

Help her get clients......means advertising

[@drewizkoollikeicecre]

Mind boggling that people would appear in front of millions so they can show their ignorance.

[@worldofreviewschannel9278]

Yes this is a ridiculous case

[@hmk..]

Houston, we have a problem.....what a waste of time...the mother has too much free time. she needs more babies

[@User0899]

No…… please spare the poor children. They shouldn’t have to have this kind of stupid mother 😭

[@RoughJustice2k18]

or an extra chin (as some have commented).

[@stonew1927]

I think the mom just wanted final say on which pictures she wanted the plaintiff to use for advertising. If I were a mother, I would also want that final approval on what images of my child go out to the world. But that needed to be clear in writing before the photo session. I'm not sure what the plaintiff is suing for since the segment did not reveal that.

[@jernellelouis3432]

Yes that makes sense

[@Kaboomboo]

Yeah, they don't mention why she's suing until the next part lol

[@brinnarae7527]

Ma’am what don’t you understand 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@podsmpsg1]

She didn't pay for the photos. Period.

[@marycahill546]

Many years ago my company had a photographer come in to do pictures for a company brochure. I signed a waiver to use my image, was paid $10 by the photographer, and that was it. Ontario, Canada.

[@jilesnstyle]

She wanted free photos. That's it!

[@Les445]

The mother and the defendant are very annoying.

[@Kirby4life620]

“it’s not gonna go well for you!” 😂sounds like something i’d hear in a movie superhero movie

[@Serenitie3]

I had a photographer in the plaza of my business ask to take pictures of my child. I just assumed it would be for her catalog...something else happened in this casefor sure. Defendant is mad about something else

[@christiandilday7543]

Strange case

[@stratfordbaby]

JJ is right. We would have to assume that the pictures that were posted were UGLY. That would make no sense because they were intended to be GOOD PICS for the business. They must've looked nice. Momma and grandma are both nutcases.

[@apoliticallevi]

Photog? Someone was lazy lmao

[@mg543]

@4:56 Alexa, which way do I turn to get onto the freeway?

[@shannonbugeja3746]

How stubborn and thick headed can people be.

[@AB-qe8cs]

I wish I was as smart as Judge Judy

[@bombbae1728]

Who ever writes these titles needs to spell check.

[@chrissy9153]

First mistake is thinking u can outsmart judge Judy

[@BillyAlabama]

Mom should reconsider the halter top dress.

[@ShweMyaukMyauk]

Photographer retains the right

[@CanadianBisdak]

She would not take free sessions for nothing!!! Of course it’s for something (advertising) 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@ajstramaski6211]

Defendant says plaintiff didn’t have a right to post the pictures. Ma’am, what exactly do you think copyright is? The photo owns the image, not the subject of the photograph.

[@DIDYOUSEETHAT172]

Photographer holds the rights to the negatives, unless specified in writing. Its the photographers work.

[@seanrubiolo4055]

So she always showed you the pictures beforehand… When the pictures were FOR YOU! This was a different scenario where they weren’t for the defendant, they were for her business! She can use whatever photo she wants to advertise for HER business! 🤦‍♂️ Plus she already had permission when the deal was made!

[@Y49life]

I’m getting so irritated by this lady that she just doesn’t understand what JJ explains her like 12 times. Such a stubborn woman, ugh. I will never want to be in contact with someone like her. So exhausting 😂

[@varnellbeatnik5768]

The hand moves of Judge Judy are wild

[@Transformers2Fan1]

I try not to judge based on a person's appearance, but defendant really needs to not lean her head so far back.

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

My best friend is a photographer and I would never taker to court if she asked me to take photos of my kids to advertise her business,once she tell me i would be like ok let get it done cause it’s to help my friend succeed, and as my best friend she has offered free pictures for my kids if I would like some

[@hwaynes]

I would like to have seen what the actual state law had to say about these situations..

[@wontsufferfools9332]

Victim victim I declare lying lying everywhere JJ shut them down

[@luisperez8657]

Saludos cordiales desde Jalisco.

[@michaelhollanshed5729]

Great verdict!!!!!!❤

[@stephaniehowe0973]

This depends on what State you are in. Its Illegal here to take photos of children that arent yours w/o written permission

[@Hudpix16]

But she waived that right when she accepted to have pictures of her child taken for free for advertising. The judge doesn’t care about a technicality like that. It’s the photographer’s property. She can do what she wants.

[@stephaniehowe0973]

@@Hudpix16 It isnt a Technicality. Its a Law. Judge Judy is legally a mediator. Yes they shouldve cropped out the business name. A little appalling the photographer doesn't agree Puppy Mills are evil

[@MercyOnMySoul]

It's amusing and shocking when someone without legal training, education, or practice argues with a judge about the law and what is permissible.

[@justiceforall007]

First mistake she made was saying she believes her kids are the most angelic looking in the world, showing she's delusional and entitled...😂

[@cdnhawk65]

If that child is gorgeous then she isn't his biological mother.

[@lannontrio6275]

I feel like it all started with the grandmother.... The daughter is going along with what her mum wants. They through away a friendships not the photographer

[@AG-M23]

I do think there is a difference where she uses the pictures. If her son is the face of her company and all over the internet instead of one small poster on one small wall in a rural mall. It DOES make a difference and the photographer should have stated what she was gonna do with it. I would give permission to let my child be a model as one of the examples, but not as the face of her business.

[@rebekahlesure989]

Horrible... just Horrible... if that was her friend, why take her to court over pictures? Let me guess... was jealous that she started making money and now her and her mom wanted her money. Smh! Think it's mainly her mom who started the drama. Bet daughter was fine with everything, until her mom started given her feedback and input.

[@satiashaw1857]

Wow, this defendant is on another planet that has no logic... Bring her back to earth, JJ!!

[@worldofreviewschannel9278]

This is kind of weird why don't you just take photographs of somebody that's kind of weird