Does Rupert Spira's Enlightenment differ from the Buddha's Enlightenment? 3 Enlightenment attributes

[@davidmickles5012]

Every mind has it's own "enlightenment" This is not something one can compare from one to another. ❤🙏

[@explorewithin3595]

You are right! Each mind has its own concept of "Enlightenment." My experience is that when we go beyond our mind, that profound experience is identical to others, hence absolute truth, i.e., "enlightenment." Buddha's words for this are, "Who has insight into my Dhamma sees me." Eckhart Tolle quoted, "The secret to finding the deeper level in the other is finding the deeper level in yourself; without finding it in yourself, you cannot see it in the other." 🙏

[@davidmickles5012]

@@explorewithin3595 I thank you for your gracious response.. To be a bit clearer (hopefully).. There is no enlightenment aside from ones own enlightenment. I'm not saying everyone has there own "concept" of enlightenment (which is true), I'm saying there is no objective state or condition called "enlightenment." If you try to ask, "Is Rupert's enlightenment the same as Shakyamuni Buddha's" that question itself is already making enlightenment into a concept or an objective "thing" or state - which will then be compared to some other objective "thing or state. Enlightenment, Nirvana, Moksha, Allah, God, Brahman, Shiva, nonduality etc.. these are various names for what exists as the nature of YOUR OWN individual experience. They don't exist "out there" and so cannot be compared. I cannot share or compare my "enlightenment" with yours anymore than I can share my direct experiencing with you. There is nothing really "there" to share or compare to. This is a subtle but important topic to understand because we easily make enlightenment into an object, "objective state" or a concept, and this is the base conflict that the world is filled with called "samsara" or "duality." We really cant "become" enlightened because we are already "enlightenment" (the nature of "me" and I am not exactly you. Some people "think" this is saying something against "oneness" but that is not correct. We have to go beyond these concepts. ❤🙏

[@explorewithin3595]

I concur 100%. I bow to your wisdom!

[@Dragonslayer_S]

Rupert never claimed to be enlightened

[@explorewithin3595]

True, the enlightenment cannot be personal. You may like Rupert's video "What is Enlightenment? How can it happen for me?" kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3Wkd317gqmHldUsi=D7aIFDFclax3dNL_

[@karinebayard7031]

Thank you very much, this explanation is very helpful and addresses a kind of disconnect I was feeling about the use of the word "enlightenment" in non-duality circles. Buddhist teachings tend to speak of enlightenment for arahats only. That's why, I think, today's non-duality teachers insist that everything begins when we realize our nature, as when we enter the stream, the first step towards enlightenment in Buddhism.

[@explorewithin3595]

Thanks! In Buddha's teaching, non-duality begins when one becomes a stream-winner rather than a stream-enterer. The word "Samma" used in Buddha's eightfold path means non-dual, i.e., non-dual view, rather than right view as the first step of the eightfold path.