Does Teen's Reveal Change Everything? (Agatha All Along S1E5 Theory & Discussion) | GotPals Podcast

Greetings Palaxians! Today we're talking Agathe All Along episode that finally reveals that Teen is Wiccan,
#Agatha #MCU #AgathaAllAlong
Guest:
Eddie Villanuevo
@Filmlosophy101
@FilmlosopherEdd
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MT: @MasterTainment
Tommy Bechtold: ‪@tommybechtold‬
Whitney Van Laningham: @WhitneyPuppy @WhitneyVision
Logo + Art: Dylan Polniak
Editor: Alexa Graham

[@GuardiansOfThePalaxy]

Shout out to Eddie for coming on last minute to join us while our East Coast pals had storm related tech issues!

[@nicnack2548]

Finally KZbinrs talked about Agatha and Rio’s chemistry. I loved it.

[@malcolmswarms8733]

Rio was absent during Alice dying (framed out of scenes) and also never emerged from the trial but instead stayed behind with the body. They brought Mrs. Hart's body to bury but not Alice. Not sure of the implication but thought was noteworthy. I think Agatha lured everyone onward so Rio could be alone with it.

[@howmuchdidyoupay]

Yeah, the ladies were all about burying Mr Shart but not Alice? What gives??

[@reecewilliams8349]

Mr Shart? My guy... fuck 🤣🤣🤣​@@howmuchdidyoupay

[@bellmarcus34]

In support of this being Rio trail: When they exit they actually go up instead of down. Like coming out of the ground.

[@malcolmswarms8733]

Everyone but Rio and Alice's body. I found it odd they didn't bring the body to lay her to rest.

[@marjoe32]

So a Teen gains/manifests powers while in an extremely stressful situation. Sounds like a Mutant

[@Triexy]

seems lame and unlikely for them to manifest after several trials as well as him being not shocked, and seemingly having control

[@dancarey2307]

I feel like it could be a sign of someone passing their trial - because maybe it was Wiccan's trial not Agatha's.

[@sterlinglewis4774]

@marjoe32 teen and alice discussed the puberty related onset of their magical powers in episode 3, i believe. His power boost that we saw in episode 5 wasnt due to puberty. His boost could be from the trials' completion (consistent with lorna getting fire powers after her trial) or it could be wanda-like emotion-based magic, suggesting he was using chaos magic to control ppl (like wanda did during the hex). Personally, i think its wanada based emotion power. When did wanda get her crown? Was she similarly stressed? There are too many parallels for it to be anything but imo

[@andyrobinson8966]

Isn’t Wiccan a mutant?

[@sterlinglewis4774]

@andyrobinson8966 he is, which so dumb! His mother isnt a mutant, his biological parents (the kaplans) arent mutants, yet hes a mutant? His spontaneous evolution is a plot device so he can join x men stories 😂 but in the MCU, I dont think they have any reason to make him a mutant.

[@malcolmswarms8733]

Am I wrong in thinking the Ouija board being for ages 3&up is in reference to Teen only being 3y/o since he was created by Wanda just over 3 years ago?

[@chefadamcooks]

Maybe more to the fact that Nicholas was three when he was sacrificed?

[@sarav2209]

i thought the broom sequence was great. both patti lupone and aubrey plaza really seem to be having the best time during this whole production. yes, also kathryn hahn. the TENSION! yes, it is so thick and so hot. i think we can all agree f*** evanora harkness. prune baby!! i absolutely think lilia's visions are coming in pieces and all out of order. there was one were she just screamed, the one in front of alice where she asked about being waspy or kookie. can't wait to see how they tie it all together. i can't decide if they have actually left the road or not. we never actually saw what happened to rio, and i think she could pull them out of the goo. i never read the witches road comic, was there a "final boss" or whatever? that would def make sense.

[@Paintimenti]

wooohoo! New ep to listen to while I work!

[@gatomon2002]

Yaaay waited for you guys video! Love your discussions as always

[@Castor7666]

It was the TEENS trial LOL

[@dancarey2307]

agree, in the darkest hour who waked their power? it was not Agatha or Rio but Wiccan.

[@Schollowhoft171]

Jac Shaffer should do a young avengers spin off

[@notsosecretsquirrel9389]

Hell yeah Eddie's back. That'd be neat if you got Tommy and Mt on next episode with this group, but time n tings.

[@mason-.]

There's a perfect reason for the writers to pull a switcheroo on whose trial this actually was & it's all the evidence I need to believe this wasn't Agatha's Trial, but rather Billy's. For one, Billy was really the one who had to give up something here. Because he could say the name Nicholas Scratch it revealed that he wasn't Agatha's son. If that was his true identity the sigil would have not allowed the other witches to hear him shout it. Assuming he's been playing dumb and the sigil was part of his plan to trick Agatha into thinking he may be her kid The Road would likely force him to shed that deception as part of his trial. But more importantly, this way the final two episodes can be Agatha's trial, she's the title character after all. But it can still be a surprise/ep 7 cliff hanger when we find out she still has her own trial ahead since we've been led to believe her trial is over - Waaaaay too long comment over -

[@dancarey2307]

Rio says it is Agatha's trial but she does not seem to be the most reliable commentator.

[@sarav2209]

i also think it was not agatha's trial, and teen seems the most likely.

[@Ouchevry1stop]

I think it’s also important to think about how this series starts. Like, why does it all happen when it happens? I think it’s because Agatha’s body shows up, Billy/Wicken shows up and Rio shows up and the Salem 7 show up. I think all these people showing up at once is really gonna be what the show is about. Why did they all happen to go to Agatha’s at the same time? That could only be for one reason and that’s Wanda, and maybe more specifically her body… just a thought

[@Starcat5]

My money is on this being "Teen's" trial, not Agatha or Rio. He was the one to receive a power boost, was he not?

[@howmuchdidyoupay]

Mr Shart, thats my name! That name, again, is Mr Shart!

[@arrowmaxwell]

Brett has the official 90s Keanu Reeves cut, let's go! Also, awesome to see Eddie back on the palaxy podcast.

[@sarav2209]

yes!! point break.

[@IronDad-ml3wq]

"Marvel ScissorVerse" hahahahahahahaa

[@howmuchdidyoupay]

Marvel Scissormatic Universe

[@natlisan]

I think Agatha's mom was manipulating the situation a bit too! I don't think Agatha would have attracted if her mother hadn't possess her, causing one of the other's to attack. Knowing that Agatha's defensive power is to steel the power of whom ever blast her with their power! Who knows! Her mother could have manipulated the entire coven into killing Agatha the first time, not realizing how powerful Agatha really was!!! I don't think it's as cut and dry as it seems! You can see that she felt remorse for what she did to Alice.

[@Paintimenti]

LMAO "AIRHEAD" love that haha

[@mikehancho1155]

Billy's trial

[@weaponxclaws]

Eddie literally pitching Saw V where if all the contestants made it to the end, they would have survived

[@howmuchdidyoupay]

Marvel Scissormatic Universe! 🎉🎉🎉

[@sparkey9163]

How about Agatha killed her son accidentally then she turns to the DH to get him back.

[@malcolmswarms8733]

I can't wait to see what happens 2 seconds after the ending when Teen is feeling high and mighty only to be incredibly humbled when Rio comes up and sees what happened.

[@davelance9585]

Happy Friday Pals!

[@wellroundedmom6769]

22:14 I think he pitched a toddler temper tantrum and blasted her... and she accidentally killed him.

[@LuvtheJEm]

I may be playing devil's advocate, but have you considered maybe Nick's death wasn't nefarious? At certain points in history, kids dying from common childhood illness wasn't unusual. It was tragic but not surprising. It could be what motivated her to get the Dark Hold, to try and bring him back. When that didn't pan out, she went after the power of the Scarlett Witch. Agatha flat out stated she's always hated Jen but she left her alone because her work was important, she was healing children like Nick. She also spared the children of her coven. We don't even know if Nicholas had powers for her to accidentally steal.

[@damoneugenerich]

Totally agree about brother hunting!!!

[@tonyhudson6522]

Love the Vader tee!

[@AncientSkullKid]

Excellent point about Teen starting every trial. Combine that with the fact that the door to the road glowed the same blue as his magic.

[@rikcoflores5588]

I don't know why but I still think he's being possessed by Nicolas and Agatha Sensed it after the she got that power boost

[@RyanHaney55]

I assumed when Lilia said "I hated this the first time!" she was talking about the time in the second episode when the lights flashed, she screamed, and wrote names on a brochure.

[@carlieewitzig147]

Agatha ❤

[@huntermills4347]

Dang Brett got the Buzzard cover in the background... didnt know he was chill like that

[@LavenderKAR]

Re: Whose trial was it, anyway? Great theory Whitney! MT would be proud 🥹

[@sdgidney4139]

It was great seeing Ed again 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤️

[@MaryM-tn5xc]

I don’t know if this has been talked - but the title of this episode is called - darkest hour, wake thy power, and death is usually viewed as a dark hour. So the trial starts with the Ouija board saying death is present. Alice (rip), Billy, and Agatha’s powers were awaken. Was this Rio’s trial? Or is she the trial? Some of the other lyrics include: I hold deaths hand in mine - Rio being on the road is no accident. It may be that her and the road are connected in some way (?). This may be how Agatha first met Rio - during her first foray on the road, and that forged their relationship.

[@richardh776]

If it is Billy. I am not sure yet. Might be someone else. Billy Maximoff was not real in Wandavision. People forget that.

[@malcolmswarms8733]

3&up is unusual for Ouija boards so I think that was a reference to him being made by Wanda 3 years ago. Otherwise, the standard 12 and up would have made sense for Teen. If not, why such a throwaway line.

[@Tube-yo9tj]

26:46 no because like we’ve actively already been been seeing the premonition in present day like around the campfire when she stopped talking that was when she was saying, I love you guys, which we saw in like two episodes prior and like she just said when she says Alex dough a few episodes of agothat was from episode five so I don’t think that it all comes back together in the end

[@weago666]

Algorithm palaxy food!

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

Lilia in the future, flashing back to the the sleepover: "Alice don't!" Alice in the music studio: "Don't what?" Lilia at the beach house: "Try to save Agatha." Lilia back in the future: "Well, that was pointless."

[@IronDad-ml3wq]

No longer Adam Driver. More like Adam Chauffeur. ...also, Tony Todd got $2300, $100 per sting. Also it was neither Agatha's trial nor Rio's trial; it was Wiccan's trial. And he passed with fabulous colors. Remember that Agatha taunts him at the beginning when he loses his spellbook that it was time to lose the training wheels, and he did; he was confronted with what witches do and had to choose whether to step up or not. But then he WAS the one to get Agatha out of the Westview hex, so. Also re: emotional struggles, remember Tony's emotional struggle was being kidnapped, tortured and basically the rich kid getting shaken into the reality of what he and his dad's work had been doing. SO yeah, all the MCU heroes generally realize their powers in an emotional revelation moment.

[@aldotheapache9951]

Lots of great ideas in here guys. Good stuff. I do find it funny that this podcast is twice as long as the episode though. 🤣

[@caleb_dreams]

Now THAT's a ragu theory!!!

[@caleb_dreams]

It was Billy all along!

[@damoneugenerich]

Do we think it’s Teen’s as he blew off his sigil and he was the one who powered up?!!

[@dancarey2307]

yes

[@jessanimated]

Well now I'm imagining they all end up coming back to West View through Sharon's garden ... she's just there gardening ... these party witches can't let her have a moment of peace!!

[@Dunybrook]

The bee story from Candyman is incomplete because Virginia Madsen was allergic to bee stings, so she actually risked her life for that shot and they had to have paramedics standing by on the set. She didn't get a bonuse for that either because of sexism probably. Great discussion.

[@imthestein]

I know this is off topic but you mentioned the Fifth Element and it always amazed me people missed the point of what the Fifth Element was. All the stones had to be activated with their element and Leeloo was activated with love but I think that’s because the fifth element was the soul and love is when two souls combine

[@vicoussoulja]

43:41 let's not forget he was the one to go through the door first to the witch's trial 😲🤯

[@kimberlydowell8551]

I would love to see Michael Keaton or Johnny Depp as mephisto

[@peaceblasterr]

I needed this today. Thanks pals.

[@marcusadkins4130]

I think it’s Lillia that is influencing the others. The one you least expect.

[@hiccuphufflepuff176]

Speaking of drugs, It occurs to me that, while I'm not saying it's Sharon's fault that Agatha dragged her into this, she would probably still be alive if she had had consistent street smarts about drug-use on this adventure. In Agatha's basement, her radar flared up IMMEDIATELY when she thought the subject of hallucinogens came up, and she very smartly said a firm "no" to drugs from sketchy strangers, but as soon as she was having a rough day and saw a bottle of _her_ preferred drug (alcohol) she immediately and greedily chugged an entire glass of mystery wine while all the dangerous people were arguing about whether or not they should touch it. If she had drunk it at the same time and pace as the others, she would have been conscious and participating with the potion, so her hair would have gone into it. Her addiction to alcohol and the double-standard normalization of it in society are what got her killed.

[@tarantasaurus4177]

Hot take: I think it was Billy's trial - he was the one who stopped Agatha, ultimately. If it WAS Agatha's trial, she failed! :D

[@KingDenmark]

Loved this episode! 👑

[@eliechaya9690]

Love from Belgium 🇧🇪 ❤

[@sterlinglewis4774]

where is my MT? you can swap out anyone but MT and whit D: these are my DEMANDS!!!

[@howmuchdidyoupay]

We must be thankful for the MT we get and not want for more. MT blesses us with his presence when and where he can 🙏

[@sterlinglewis4774]

@howmuchdidyoupay i have been spoiled rotten on the succulent teet of consistent MT AND I WOULD RATHER DEATH THAN TO ALLOW MINE PRIVILLEGES A MODICUM OF DIMINUTION! GIVE ME MT OR GIVE ME WAR!!! 😂

[@Shadow-Shell]

Technical difficulties due to storm

[@endless_del]

wish MT safety, he's getting some residual hurricane fuckery. he lives in the boston area

[@Paintimenti]

I wonder if Wiccan is gonna see Wanda (or a form of her) towards the end in a similar fashion that Wanda saw her mom on the road in the comics

[@4ozscoop]

Why was the safe word Nicholas scratch? Why did Agatha hear the baby talking? What does any of that have to do with a Rio trial?

[@justme-qr4mm]

Great video Amigo's

[@zoe_alva86]

Omg I just realized- Jennifer Barkley and April Ludgate are lovers in Agatha All Along 😮😱 11:50 🤯😵 #ItsAllConnected

[@zoe_alva86]

Rio Vidal was married to Star Lord in Parks and Rec. #ItsSoWeird ##ItsAllConnected 😮

[@jadedmonkeyeyes]

what if doom has something to do with agatha losing her kid and the darkhold?

[@SKULLdOOdL]

Poor Bret... 😂😂😂

[@Brendonk13]

Brett is full on adam ragusea now lol

[@roberts_archive]

If Rio is Death/Lady Death, then is she even a witch? Why would a non witch have a a trial during all this? I’m confused to why Rio is counted as Death and a witch? Is there any clarification on this?

[@rvds2040]

i would love if teen is not wiccan at all, just a demon or some magical thing faking it, mainly because im not a hardcore marvel fan, i have no emotional investment in the character

[@africamitchell4392]

Ayeeeee i press like at 69 hehehe😂😂😂hehe he heyyyyy y'all😊

[@kevin1212345]

Lmao she wants it to be on Disney x

[@markhurley3714]

Random comment for KZbin algorithm

[@elishahilker]

Is all of WandaVission all black and white? Cause I know I need to watch it to really understand Agatha All Along but I'm not a fan of black and white!!!

[@GuardiansOfThePalaxy]

Just the first two episodes

[@elishahilker]

@@GuardiansOfThePalaxy Thank you!!!

[@TheTenthDoctorandHisTardis]

I think Wiccan is looking to resurrect his mom and is hoping that together, they can reunite their entire family, including Vision. I think he put the sigil on himself and that in the last episode, Wanda, Billy, and Agatha need to fight Mephisto and that Agatha sacrifices herself to free Wanda and the coven. She becomes a ghost like in the comics and eventually gets resurrected too in a future movie or show.