Does the Bible Say that Polygamy is a Sin? | Why I Don't Go (Q&A Ep. 4)

[@pinkahboo925]

Jealousy is rampant in monogamy, that argument used again polygamy isn't good.

[@comal90]

Ty brother or sister for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are not satisfied spending years with one woman godless you

[@MissMuttonmeat]

Polygamy is a practice that many cultures in the past and present still practice. The ancient Israelites practiced polygamy as a way to increase their populations at a faster rate and thus have more men for their armies. They did this by marrying virgin prisoners of war, young slave girls from different nations, and of course marrying multiple women from their tribe. The bible makes no comment about it being a sin, but it is a practice that is frown upon today. I personally see no problem with it between consenting adults. However in a religious setting, with strict gender roles the relationship dynamics can be one sided and only benefit the husband. There is also the slippery slope towards child brides. A serious problem that happens in the USA.

[@crystalmaltby3202]

I don't think it only benefits the man. I think it benefits the whole family

[@faithhouse6111]

You don't think Matt 19 or Mark 10 speaks against polygamy?

[@DaddyAZTL]

@@faithhouse6111 Matt 19 and mark 10 is about divorce.

[@faithhouse6111]

@@DaddyAZTL “He answered, “Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:4-6‬ ‭NRSV‬‬ bible.com/bible/2016/mat.19.4-6.NRSV

[@vintage6346]

@@faithhouse6111 I'm so glad to run across your comment on polygamy. I see clearly how Mark 10:10-12 and Luke 16:18 prove that polygamy is, for Christians, adultery. The "first wife" is scripturally free to leave her polygamous husband, divorce him, and marry another man. The man who marries this divorced woman does not commit adultery. The polygamous husband committed adultery when he took a second wife, and his adultery freed his first wife from the marital bond with him.

[@tfmtrueformmotivations6463]

While I am not a polyganist, I am on the fence as to the Bible’s either support or condemnation or even indifference to it. A few comments about the video. I think sometimes we can read INTO the text because it supports an already preconceived idea that we already have on a subject from either upbringing or theological positions on a subject before we give another stance a fair observation. Just to reflect on some of the comments of brother “flame”, I think it is an assumption (unless he has made the necessary study) to suggest polygany is a disaster waiting to happen because look how it unfolds in scripture. His reference to Abraham, and David is noted but it starts to break down when he gets to Solomon because Solomons use of “it’s all vanity” was regards to the things of life chasing the world and the things in it. But he does not mention (if I’m not mistaken) marriage nor polygany specifically nor even hints at it, to drawn brother flames conclusion. Also, besides the popular three i.e. Abraham, David, and Solomon, the Bible mentions several other polyganist relationships e.g. Caleb, Belshazzar, Asher, Gideon, Jacob, Moses, etc… were all mentioned in scripture to having more than one wife, so one would have to speak to what does scripture speak of the success or failure of their marriages, and just because the popular ones failed to assume the others did is a fallacy and a reading into the text. Another point, is that arguably the scripture is heavily about relationship and marriage and union, and so to suggest that God is against polygyny without expressly stating such when scripture is so heavily geared to something so much as relationship, marriage, union, etc… is I think without merit and foundation. Man as a whole is sinful and everything he touches fails, including relationship with God, so one could then argue, following flames idea to its logical conclusion that God should be against seeking Him out because even when we do, it fails and fails miserably. But no one suggests such because God is the one who gives grace and mercy and truth to bring us to a point of salvation and in its right and correct manner, and so the same could be argued about polygyny that, yes when man, puts his hand in it, it is destined to fail, but with Christ, All things are possible”, so success in polygany can be successful if done in Him and not the worlds way. Also. Brother “Da Truth” I think spoke on the Two shall be one, etc… pointing to “oneness” and it was Adam and Eve etc… I think this two of followed to its logical conclusion may be flawed thinking. Example the trinity is thee persons, but yet they are one, the church is the bride of Christ and MANY PERSONS make up the church, but they are called to be ONE, and a host of other examples of relationship, marriage, etc… that have numbers but yet are still called to be one, and so polygyny although multiple persons can be argued still called and expected to be “ONE”. I just wanted to join the conversation and give some alternative views and perspective to truly have a dialogue on an important topic that actually seems to be gaining ground and momentum in the black community. May the Lord bless and continue to guide us in Jesus name. Amen!

[@laurenalmeyda6916]

You are on to something. Keep researching. Keep seeking truth. Exclusive "One man, one woman" is not in the Bible. God sets rules on how to handle more than one wife fairly...and He never changes ❤

[@reformedman2373]

You run the risk of confusion about topics like these when we fail to read the Bible in a way that bends our thinking toward God’s way of thinking rather than bending the Bible to our current culture.

[@k.h.a.l.i.l.]

in what way(s) do you think this topic/their answers bend our thinking toward our current culture and away from God?

[@tolulopedahunsi4380]

THis is the kind of answers that sends people out of church, Mr Holy man.

[@psmith5830]

I see your replies asking good questions and make relevant statement. What is your response? What you describe sounds like you're saying we have to be willing to allow ourselves to be manipulated by reinterpretations from something that is clearly stated that were able to comprehend and apply what its saying in its context. Maybe you're unaware of the strong proclamations of Christian beliefs and Foundation and that will explain you not understanding why when people read the Bible they're taking it literally as it spoke rather than look for eclectic and Mystic ways to understand what they're reading such as the way you're saying which is bending towards God way of thinking and not your own..... do you understand how you made a statement without giving any explanation or understanding of what is possible about your advice or what is coherent? Especially since most people who read the Bible are already Believers and already have the understanding that as they read God is already present leading them so you sound like you're correcting them with information that they're already using but getting different results than what you desire. Next it seems like you're dismissing the skill and ability that humans were given from God which is to think and comprehend I know be very confusing indoctrination and sermons that Pastor gives that contradict each other as well as go against the possible practical way we do things and make people feel insufficient with the skills that are really human ability by giving a standard of extra spiritualism Always setting the bar high so you never really questioned God but you question your own ability it's a trick.

[@ahrayahisrael494]

1000% fact. In the Hebrew culture it is crystal clear that a man can marry multiple wives. Today in twisted modern Christianity they use assertions and conjectures for interpretation of scriptures.

[@pinkahboo925]

Exactly, monogamy has caused to much damage to society.

[@bigbeats1]

Solomon was taking wives of other nations: that's where he sinned! Deuteronomy 7:3.

[@marriageofthelambassemblie1693]

Yeah they turned his heart astray to serve other gods

[@crystalmaltby3202]

Oh yeah how do you explain Moses?

[@MSbeksy]

​@@crystalmaltby3202God didnt check for it...maybe he was ignorant of it up to that point of the law...

[@sambeezy007]

​@YahYesh777He was after God's heart but David was lustful. He got a man killed so he could take his wife. Polygany is allowed but God ultimately supports 1 man and 1 woman = 1 flesh. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Paul advocate this.

[@michaelramos4526]

Instead of asking if Polygeny is a sin, I wish our people would start asking themselves why does God allow Polygeny. Why is it lawful? Do you not understand that the laws of God are the constitution and bill of rights for the Kingdom of Israel? This is what they govern themselves by. This is what God govern them by. He has never allowed them to sin! Neither has he had laws of sin written by his righteousness. No one is forced to marry or not marry. You have the free will to marry how you please. God will judge all things by his word/law. But please stop saying women who choose to marry one man are sinning. Or a man who has more than one wife is sinning. Stop trying to seperate Christ from the father. They are 1. That is either ignorant or evil to think or say such a thing! You are calling God the minister of sin! Please Stop judging by your religion and see God's righteousness. God allows Polygeny because he is against sin. He gave Polygeny/marital law to put away all manner of fornication (1 Corinthians 6:18). To put away whoredom (using women as one does a whore) from among the children of God (Deuteronomy 23:17). To put away all manner of sexual immorality (Exodus 22, Leviticus 21, & Deuteronomy 22). To keep confusion from among his people by keeping a man's children and the women thereof under one headship (1 Timothy 5:8, Proverbs 22:6 Deuteronomy 11:16-19, & 1 Timothy 3:5). To keep a woman that desires to wear a man's masculinity, sexuality, and headship from among the children of God/vice versa (Proverbs31:3, Deuteronomy 22:5, Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:24-32, 1 Corinthians 11:3), and the list goes on family. I ask you all, when did that change? The law is righteous and will always be righteous. Your unrighteousness doesn't change that. In fact, it's why you must die. God made marriage the rule of Law in all the earth (Genesis,1 , 2, 9, Psalm 24:1, etc). Polygeny is marriage, and marriage is honorable in all (Hebrews 13:4). Even if you were taken as a servant wife God still honors you (Exodus 20:10 & Exodus 21:7-10). A restriction given to a Bishop or Deacon is not an implication of sin. Just as there is law specific to women and some specific to men. Their is law specific to a King and some for a prophet. If you do not hold these positions/work in your lifetime, these laws do not apply to you. Concerning Deuteronomy 17:14-20 this is law pertaining to Kings, not to all men. We live in a nation where most men live by its culture, customs, and laws instead of the word/law of God (Matthew 4:4, Matthew 15:3, Acts 5:29, etc..). What they practice here is fornication and is ungodly (Revelation 21:18). Polygeny can never be a sin, because by God's decree: sin is the disobedience to the laws of God (1 John 3:4). They cannot grasp this because they do not understand the Kingdom (Matthew 13:11) because they have no respect/honor for the laws of God. For the constitution, the bills if rights, the civil and moral laws given to Israel. Even the penal codes thereof. They only know a democracy, a republic, communism, socialism, etc... What they can vote in and out. Some man-made stuff. They do not know or honor the Kingdom of God is the government setup over heaven and earth ( Isaiah 9:9, Matthew 3:2, Luke 10:9, Matthew 7:24-25). They lack knowledge that all the word/decrees of the King is law and is lawful (Deuteronomy 8:3, Psalm 119:89, Matthew 24:35). They lack this understanding to be able to apply or divide the word of God rightly. As for divorce, Christ in Matthew 19 said it best: In the beginning, it wasn't so. The beginning being "Genesis." No man in the bloodline of Christ in Genesis divorced his wife or wives. God didn't give Adam another wife. Jacob endured his son laying with one of his wives and kept them both among him. Abraham was told by God to move out the bond woman and his son by God. He didn't choose to. No one ever put away their wives lawfully until the law of Moses. This is what it means when said but Moses. Before the law of Moses, divorce was never lawful for the lineage nor the children of Israel. You never see it throughout time until God allows Moses to give it. That's when it becomes lawful. This is what Christ is saying. He's dealing with divorce. It's not Christians who are confused. It's all men who do not understand that which Christ has preached throughout his whole ministry was purely the word of God. The main thing and focus of his message, is "The Kingdom" Which he mentions over a 100 times throughout his gospels. These men and women are of this world and worldly minded. Ever learning but unable to come to the truth of God (2 Timothy 3:7). Still focused on the intent of God and never moving with God into the purpose of man (Ecclesiastes 12:13 & 1 John 5:3). Allowing sin to rule the day instead of his son. Christ gives God what he intended to get out of mankind. If God could get the perfection he desires out of the children of Adam, he would not have sent another. Be wise family and let God be true & every man a liar.

[@vernonu7314]

Excellent post. Well stated.

[@lizzie3724]

Adam bought havoc on his own soul and everyone else. Nothing happened until he ate the damn apple. He disobeyed the commands given to him and this is the result. My question is, why? Why would a man want another wife. Or multiple ones? Lust. But you keep telling yourselves what you need to justify it

[@vernonu7314]

@@lizzie3724 Men do not need to justify what The Most High allows in our lives. It’s amazing to me that you think your opinion on the topic of polygyny matters. I don’t claim to speak for all man, but one reason a man could want multiple wives is that it takes away the woman’s ability to use intimacy to manipulate the man. She claims she has a headache or some other bs reason for not giving it up… He can move on to the next wife or concubine.

[@michaelramos4526]

@@lizzie3724 Adam didn't bring havoc on anyone else's soul but his own. He did show that we all have a nature to disobey God for our own lust. By his choice, sin entered into the world as a ruling force. Now with an authority over all mankind that yield to it. Which is all of us all my friend. We do a good job of putting our own souls in jeopardy, even though we've heard Adam's tale our most our whole lives. Why do [we] still sin? Adam and Eve showed what a desire put above/before God does to us all. Eve went after her own, and Adam after his; "which happen to be his wife" that God gave him. He desired his dying mortal wife, more than the eternal living God. This has nothing to do with the issue of is bigamy a SIN. A sin... I think too much of anything will corrupt any man, but I will only call to sin that which God has called sin. Bigamy is NOT one of them. This has nothing to do with a man's lust, greed, or lack of commitment. We can visit those issues separately in monogamy and bigamy on another feed for them. This is just the question of should we call something a sin, that GOD Never does. That God participates in, and teaches how to govern it. Is it his perfect will? I dont think so. But it is in his permissive will? All through scripture, and NOT once does he call it Sin. So I will always stick to the word of God, and never my own thought, emotions or feelings. I pray you to will do the same. .

[@travisrichmond905]

Awesome dialogue! I love to hear and engage in conversations with people who are reasonable. These people seem to be well educated in scripture and most importantly to me, more concerned about the heart/intention of God.

[@auh2o148]

In short, it is not a sin. Afterall, it's a reason Paul had to tell the MEN who wanted to become Bishops and Deacons to be the husbands of One wife...if it wasn't permissible, why would there be a distinction? However, if you're seeking peace - even one wife can be one woman too many! Remember, Paul also said that if you're married - don't seek to be single, and if you're single - don't seek to be married; the reason being that pining over your life in a different status becomes a distraction from your current relationship with The Father, especially single men. Married men have the burden of always having to cater to the ever-growing needs of their wives (and children), and this is a lifelong struggle in keeping both relationships cultivated - mainly when the wife isn't godly. Then the husband wakes up everyday trying to figure out what will keep his wife off of his back, instead of waking up asking how he can please YHWH that day. Women represent the souls of mankind, which can be very much in tune with "what have you done for me lately," if not in proper alignment with and in submission to the Spirit - which men represent; fyi, children represent the flesh. Also, the host in this video said that Bathsheba was raped...that is false!

[@ericwashington7815]

The distinction highlights what is pleasing to God and not pleasing or adultery would be just find without the distinction.

[@auh2o148]

@@ericwashington7815 I'm not sure I understand what you mean

[@k.h.a.l.i.l.]

paul says in corinthians 7 that wives deserve their own husbands. can't be just your own if you're sharing. God's intent b4 the fall is also pretty clear and it's important that paul went back to genesis to remind the church. i also feel like if "is it a sin?" is the primary question you have in your walk with Christ, it's a pretty low level "relationship".

[@auh2o148]

@@k.h.a.l.i.l. "their own husbands" is not the same as 'their own wives.' Our Messiah is not the leopard of Judah, or the cheetah of Judah, He's the Lion of Judah. There are 7 Assemblies, but one Body - one Bride.

[@k.h.a.l.i.l.]

@@auh2o148 but if you're sharing someone/smthng, by definition it's simply not your own, whether it be a spouse or anything else. so even if it didn't say "his own wife", the husband's behavior still determines whether "her own husband" can be realized. also, the full scripture says let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. i believe that's the language you're looking for. are you really trying to make the claim that the bible compares Jesus to a lion specifically for its mating habits? nah.

[@ahrayahisrael494]

The problem with Christianity is that christians don't believe in the bible. They say with their mouth they believe, but with their hearts they absolutely don't believe in the scriptures. All I heard from this panel was nothing but assertions and conjectures. The torah is crystal clear that a man can lawfully marry multiple wives. Christ said in Mathew 4:4 man shall live buy every word of the torah. And Mathew 5:17-19 Christ also said the torah is eternal. Enough said.

[@Grace0724]

Christian’s aren’t living under mosaic law anymore.

[@comal90]

Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are spending years with only one woman, godless you

[@firstcenturychristianity6864]

Oh my. This is truly the blind leading the blind. Kudos to the man asking the question about polygamy. Poor guy should have chosen his biblical scholars from a better pool, that actually know their bible on the topic instead of what western “christian” culture says.

[@legion1630]

am confused..your response didnt help

[@firstcenturychristianity6864]

@@legion1630 the “scholars” on the panel are all biblical morons on this topic. They literally are only parroting what they’ve heard other biblical morons say about this topic without the sense to realize all of the logical fallacies they are accepting and parroting as biblical truth.

[@naturelife418]

@@firstcenturychristianity6864 I thought it was excellent. What is your answer then? you seem to have nothing but spew to share. It does not help

[@firstcenturychristianity6864]

@@naturelife418 I’m glad for you that you enjoyed it. Confirmation bias does not make for good theology tho. As I mentioned initially, this poor panel is scripturally illiterate on the polygyny topic, and are simply parroting someone else’s opinion on the matter. I’d suggest that you may wanna actually study it out for yourself, being careful of confirmation biases and cultural biases. I can say for a fact that monogamy was foreign to early Christianity until Tertullian around 200-220 AD, and he was speaking from a grossly minority position criticizing the bishop of bishops for supporting “multi-nuptials”. He claimed that his revelation of monogamy was a new revelation to him by the Holy Spirit. Roman Catholicism gradually twisted arms until they outlawed poly in the Middle Ages. Martin Luther, Augustine, Clement of Alexandria and many others affirmed its acceptance in Scripture. Christ used it in parables comparing it to the kingdom of heaven, and Paul used it several times to explain the bride of Christ. God the Father used it at least 3 times in scripture to portray his relationship to Israel, and said that He was the one who’d given David all his wives, and said he’d have given him more if that weren’t enough, right before he condemned Davids adultery. As to the panelist’s claims of issues and troubles within polygamous families in scripture, this is a patently disingenuous argument. You could apply everything he claimed and more against monogamous families in scripture, but no one bothers to apply the argument evenly. Also, when there was an issue, I think its a more accurate approach to say that it was a personal problem, both with men and women who didnt operate correctly in their God given role. Thats not a mono or poly marriage problem, thats a fruit of the spirit problem. And I could go on for quite some time on the topic, both scripturally and historically, but you’d be better served to research it yourself.

[@Doshiitv]

@@firstcenturychristianity6864 this right here is such a well explained rebuttal I appreciate this and I have a lot to study🙏🏿

[@Doshiitv]

alot of monogamous relationships ended in turmoil as well, to use the logic we can say that monogamy is not the week of god.. I think certain things work if everyone is ethical about it with a honest heart cause God does not deem it a sin.. just because it is not mentioned in the new testament

[@comal90]

Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are not satisfied spending years with one woman godless you

[@waneframe]

It seems?? Why can't people just say "I just don't know".

[@derekob7334]

The "one wife" for leaders only applies to elders and deacons. Not everyone else. Also, those words are highly debated because the original Greek words used there in that passage could have 3 different meanings

[@kimallnaturelle]

The Bible has many stories of polygamous marriages to teach us the fruits of such. They're always stories of strife/ jealousy between parents, children and their siblings. That's my two cents. People need to decipher the difference between Biblical and cultural traditions.

[@Mrstookie101]

THANK YOU!!! #Context

[@vernonu7314]

Your two cents should be based upon what the Bible teaches on the subject… Not your opinion.

[@NaijaCINE]

@@vernonu7314 where did she say her two cents is based on her opinion?

[@vernonu7314]

@@NaijaCINE The OP typed, " The Bible has many stories of polygamous marriages TO TEACH US THE FRUITS OF SUCH (empahsis added). The uppercase portion is her opinion. She even calls it "my two cents". If she got it from scripture she can provide book, chapter, and verse. Thank you for asking.

[@ikechukwu95]

That doesn't answer the question whether polygamy is a sin or not. In my opinion, meaning based on my knowledge of the scriptures, it's definitely not considered a sin.

[@gamehour3468]

I keep seeing people claiming God changed his mind. Please don't do this to our Lord. God told the prophet Samuel to warn the people that that stuff was a consequence of them wanting a king. (1samuel 8:10-22) so God doesn't change his mind. It wasn't something he endorsed. He wanted the people to follow him. Yet like the Hebrews at that time we want to do what the other people are doing and be justified in it. We are LITERALLY doing the same thing. I pray we learn to face our hearts with the reality of who God is and submit ourselves to him humbly.

[@crystalmaltby3202]

There is no scripture forbidding polygamy quite the opposite actually

[@comal90]

The only form of polygamy allowed is polygyny, monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are spending years with only one woman godless you

[@jellieloveee]

What’s the scripture condoning polygamy? I’m researching this topic so it would really help !

[@ugandantruthist5511]

Have you guys heard of the troubles in monogamous families.

[@sinistransgressionofthetor5449]

Absolutely

[@amandadangerfieldpiano]

But God married Adam and Eve. One man, one woman. In the New Testament Jesus says to cleave to your wife.

[@sambeezy007]

There are more problems in polygany than monogamy. Here's what you'll find in polygany you won't find in monogamy: - A woman having to wait her turn - A woman being envious of another woman in the same house at the same time - The father having to divide time raising his kids between women

[@eddieford4276]

Yes because there are many women that uses sex to try and control the man …I’ve heard some of them bragging that if he doesn’t do what I say I’ll cut him off …..monogamous marriage

[@nicolealdridge9472]

Question , Is this only for man to marry multiple wives , or for woman to also have wives - Just trying to understand biblically

[@uri-yahu]

4:07 this argument that biblical polygyny always leads to trouble is probably one of the worst arguments against it. If it is so bad and troublesome why did God reward people for it and cause it to happen as a gift (2 Sam 12:8, Gen. 30:18). Sounds like polygyny does screw up, people screw up and the people screwing up polygyny probably would’ve found a way to screw up monogamy. And then it seems as if whenever polygyny is discussed, people always want to first focus on the sexual aspect of polygyny, which, in turn, causes the stigma of men only wanting polygyny out of lust to be invoked, and its really immature.

[@michaelhawkins5561]

Hmmmmmm. A few things about the responses to the question of polygamy. First off Paul stated that in his opinion men shouldn’t marry at all because the women is a distraction. And yes , because of the Distraction the women created it isn’t wise for men in LEADERSHIP. To take on multiple wives. The scriptures all also points out the teacher and leaders will be held to a higher standard, so there is Consistency there. But for the layman, there no law against Polygamy. In fact, according to Christians there’s no law at all. Of course, we all know that isn’t true. Also, can we name any patriarch in Scripture with one wife ,and that wife didn’t give him trouble ? Think about is . Adam only had one wife. After the fall, Yah placed a curse on Eve and all her daughters that men would rule over them. Ever consider this maybe part of that curse? I could go on ....

[@k.h.a.l.i.l.]

there are sufficient loopholes in the bible for anyone to deceive themselves if they so choose to operate on technicalities, but it's clear the bible does not endorse polygamy for those seeking righteousness: (1) as mentioned in the video, genesis 1 and 2 make God's original intention pretty clear. this is always the template that should inform our relationships. (2) "how do you know the curse doesn't include allowing men to have multiple wives?". well, for starters, bc it doesn't say that it does. do you see evidence in scripture that suggests God ordained this as a part of the curse? (3) paul speaks in several places about his sexual ethics. he was writing during the roman empire when women had no rights and roman men could have sex at any time with anyone: slaves, women and boys. it was pretty radical at this time to return to the story of creation/God's intent and to make the claim the husband's body belongs to his wife (singular). (4) he also said in corinthians let every woman have her own husband. it ain't yours if you sharing. (5) it's no coincidence that Jesus uses marriage to describe his relationship with the church. a marriage that on several occasions is described as having one woman and one man. on a practical level, most brothas are barely managing the one woman (and kids) they have. seems unfeasible, outside of sex, to be a godly husband to multiple wives.

[@pinkahboo925]

The creation that God made is not a good thing?

[@terrybell8389]

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Acts 17:30 KJV

[@terrybell8389]

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13‭-‬14 KJV

[@MissMuttonmeat]

Okay but is polygamy a sin though?

[@klyetruman7285]

@@MissMuttonmeat polygyny is not a damn sin!! Polyamory is a sin because a woman is forbidden to have multiple husbands. If she leaves her husband and marries again she would be called an adultress because her husband must be dead before she can marry again.

[@jamescollier7360]

@@klyetruman7285 true but the husband can dismiss his wife and give her written permission to remarry.

[@klyetruman7285]

@@jamescollier7360 well of course, that's the law.

[@Zeku39]

What about Deuteronomy 1717 where it says don’t multiply wives

[@sambeezy007]

It also says that the flesh is never satisfied. They say polygany isn't a sin. But what leads to it is. Lust. Abraham and Jacob had unfortunate circumstances and it wasn't in their minds originally to do what was did.

[@jonathanwilliams887]

Just got recommended to watch this channel, in the beginning I think they were on the right track. I also think following the man’s point on everything preceding Genesis 3 (the fall of man) is what God saw and made as perfect, as is clearly told in Genesis 1:31 “And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good”. This was right after He says how he made man and woman in his image and that he created them.

[@Papasquatch73]

At 5:56 he talked about Jesus and the bride being one person as an example. No. It’s a bad argument. It’s mini individuals making up one family. That is a view of polygamy. She said descriptive versus prescriptive. God said to David I gave you these wives and if you would have asked I would have given you more. That’s not prescriptive or descriptive. That is God entering into polygamy. That’s not God tolerating polygamy that’s God actually giving into polygamy. How do you not see that?

[@MrButergame]

Can you make the conversations longer?

[@johnii6305]

Everyone can easily come up with an argument as to why you should only have one wife. But if someone actually made the effort there are many arguments as to why having one wife is acceptable if you were given the means to provide for them and the family you would create. Not to mention Jesus himself comes from a bloodline of polygeny

[@comal90]

Thank u brother the Bible was translated by biased monagamy writers. Only polygyny is accepted in the Bible tho

[@YoderIII]

Using the same reasoning: God's ideal, also, was for man to be naked. Therefore, should we all be naked?

[@comal90]

Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are spending years with only one woman, godless you

[@michaelfarmhand]

2 Samuel 12:18 says “I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more” The above is from God to David. I suppose we see things and infer things dependent on the culture we are from. I’m African, and growing up it was common to see men with multiple wives in church. My grandfather was a committed Baptist and a farmer. He had two wives. My uncle is also a committed church goer with three wives. With respect to Paul saying a Bishop or Elder should be the husband of one wife, could it be that there were those in church with more than one wife? If that is so why did Paul not directly condemn the practice. Personally I wouldn’t go down the route of polygamy, and I’ve been happily married for 33 years (yes, I’m an older guy😊) I think I’d agree with one of the panelist who suggests it’s a disputable matter.

[@juanitagartley937]

Descriptive not prescribed.

[@michaelfarmhand]

@@juanitagartley937 I don’t think the descriptive vs prescriptive dichotomy is relevant here. If it was a bad thing God will not allow it at all. Perhaps permissive along the lines of Matthew 19:8 might be a relevant consideration

[@justlistenandhearmeout7631]

JEREMIAH 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, JEREMIAH 10:25 Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for they have eaten up Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate. ECCLESIASTES 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. GENESIS 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GENESIS 22:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he

[@michaelfarmhand]

@@justlistenandhearmeout7631 Perhaps a Bible written in modern English will make things clearer.

[@justlistenandhearmeout7631]

@@michaelfarmhand NO THANK YOU, I RATHER KEEP IT AS CLOSE TO YAH'S TRUE WORDS. DO NOT NEED A NEW TRANSLATION WHERE THEY HAVE ALTERED WORDS TO FIT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. MY HEAVENLY FATHER DID NOT CONDONE A MAN HAVING MORE THAN ONE WIFE. BE BLESSED.

[@Trilltracks1]

The man by Biblical standards was allowed and still is allowed to have multiple wives. The man had to treat these wives equally. Solomon was punished not because he had multiple wives but because he began to worship his wives false gods. I noticed know one actually answered the question.

[@kcrock007]

The answered was given but maybe you didn't hear it?

[@Klack_family]

No one answered the question and it just assumed a marriage with one wife has no issues.

[@RealLifeWithYaGirl]

Perhaps we should look at how things were created in the beginning according to scripture.

[@Trilltracks1]

@@kcrock007 can you repeat it for me because I missed it.

[@vernonu7314]

Excellent comment

[@terria.mccurdy9190]

why wud we subject ourselves to th thinkng of patrarchal nslavrs/greek-roman mpyr/state religion?...

[@ebozion32]

Wow, to say that King David raped Bathsheba is a little irresponsible. The Bible never states that he forced himself on her. The woman on this discussion panel took that verse way out of context. Because there's other examples of men raping women in the scriptures and being punished for the act. King David wasn't punished for raping Bathsheba, he was punished for killing her husband in order to take her as a wide. And with that said, I believe it's more acceptable for a man to have multiple wives than it is for a woman to teach.

[@WaleJosebolaji]

And the most important part of this question is that the number of wives or concubines they had didn't affect their relationship with God, and God didn't reject them because they have concubines, moreso we need to understand the user of the word concubine in the scriptural context "concubine those days does not mean exter-marital affairs but women they offered to them on marriage most of them are their wives slaves which they made those kings marry for reasons best known to them... Just like the days of Jacob.... From what I have observed being from Africa where we have this issue in higher rate... Some men are just destined to marry more than a woman and that the fact.

[@romariosmith422]

But does that make it right? Destined or they chose to?

[@WaleJosebolaji]

@@romariosmith422 bro anything that doesn't affect your relationship with God is not just right but perfect. I don't right destiny and I'm not with the files, but I really believe some are destined to have more than a wife. Either you had to divorce one and marry another (which actually isn't really as bad as the church try to make it seem, or you lose your wife and had to marry another... It's still tou getting more than a wife, what is important is that we continue to grow in our relationship with God, put Isaiah chapter 3 and 4 into consideration. Study the chapters and mirror it with how a lot of us don't accept what God has decided and it's a shame that even the church of God is battling this, read these chapters from message or GNB and understand what God was complaining about in there and look around if those things ain't in full manifestation in our midst and even glorified by the church yet we don't want the consequences. Yall having a laugh? 😳

[@KiRetteCouture]

No man is destined to marry more than one wife. They make that choice.

[@genericusername3029]

@@KiRetteCouture Isaiah 4:1 "In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, “We will eat our own bread and provide our own clothes. Just let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!” It seems to me like some men are destined to have more than one wife, according to the Bible and prophet Isaiah.

[@KiRetteCouture]

@@genericusername3029 lol. I know the context of that scripture. It's about God's judgment on Israel and the desperation it brings. Not the best one to defend polygamous with.

[@derekob7334]

The "two will become one flesh" in the new testament is a quote from Genesis. In Genesis the original Hebrew does not use the numerical "two"

[@philippakerindukwe8443]

That last part by Da'Truth.....whew!! Gold.

[@Polygyny]

Anybody who says that polygyny is a sin that God overlooked is saying that God sinned against himself when its clearly stated in Ezekiel 23 that he was the husband of two wives. Also saying that God sinned against himself when he encouraged King David to sin when he said that would have given him more wives if he asked for more (2 Samuel 12:8) Stop ignoring parts of the Bible one doesn't like or is inconvenient to propagate a point of view that isn't supported by scripture

[@comal90]

Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are not satisfied spending years with one woman godless you

[@derekob7334]

Its interesting not 1 time did God ever call anyone having more than 1 wife a adulterer. Neither did he call it a sin

[@PeopleoverInstitutions]

So explain 2 Samuel 12:8, aren't these YAHs words spoken through the Prophet to David🤷🏿

[@centurionguards3819]

Raped Bathsheba???? Which scripture mentions this?

[@FragologistDre]

These people have no idea how to rightly divide the word of God at all. At all.

[@k.h.a.l.i.l.]

would you like to specific about what your hearing and give a correction in love instead of being judgy?

[@derekob7334]

It's hard to debate the polygyny argument from the beginning because 1) it was a perfect world. 2) it was a 1:1 ratio of man and women. Today that is not the case.

[@Milo-wl6qn]

”For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.“ ‭‭1 John‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@Jor-Day-Nah]

Lest we forget who wrote the Bible and when it was canonized.... this topic isnt as simple as we make it. i think there should be a conversation with someone who is poly to discuss the many stereotypes imbedded in the conversation. Just food for thought.

[@faithhouse6111]

Who wrote the Bible??

[@Jor-Day-Nah]

@@faithhouse6111 male melanin deficient people years AFTER all the events occurred.

[@faithhouse6111]

@@Jor-Day-Nah what about the Old Testament writings that we discovered through archaeology that date back before Jesus' (Yeshua's) time. Those weren't written by melanin deficient ppl.

[@Jor-Day-Nah]

@@faithhouse6111 you said the Bible.. that's separate from the actual writings. We know the people in the Bible were brown skinned. However, once put into the hands of those who canonized it, it wasn't directly copied into the Bible. So, ultimately, who "wrote the Bible" is based on who had the power to decide what was in or eliminated. That's why there's a "slave Bible" and writings NOT included in the Bible folks read today.

[@faithhouse6111]

@@Jor-Day-Nah I'm not understanding why you feel that we are limited to the subsequent English translations If he have access to the original Hebrew and Greek renderings.

[@samuelmorgan9691]

This was a very helpful conversation. I hate it when people simply dismiss this question.

[@derekob7334]

Why?? The same reason why you get married period. I could say the same thing why get married at all? Jesus didn't get married. So why should you have 1? What's wrong with 1, 2, 3 etc..?

[@mrmonay]

We don’t live in the ideal though, what are the women who are left without husbands do merely by virtue of population differences and a smaller pool of men who even want to be husbands? It’s easy to make the arguments made here which are surface level and certainly not definitive, but when you start asking deeper questions it gets more complicated quickly, and society has branded it as inherently bad, but does the Bible at any point state it is a sin?

[@nathanieljohn-baptiste8513]

2 Chronicles 24:1-3 & Deuteronomy 21:15 confirms it is okay to have more than one wife. No where in the bible does it say that it is a sin, in fact God stated to David that he gave him his masters wives and would have given him more if he did not send Uriah into war to be killed, so he could take his wife. 2 Samuel 12:8-9

[@comal90]

Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are spending years with only one woman, godless you

[@ovigada]

It's not a sin. Doesn't mean yall can handle it today. My wives are special, and I'm blessed to have them.

[@comal90]

Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are not satisfied spending years with one woman, godless you

[@Jesusbloodissufficient9434]

Bruh I was aboutta double tap the screen, I've been on tiktok for too long 😭😭

[@terria.mccurdy9190]

so man to woman partnrsips shud not b emulating cuz th 1st couple didnt get along?...issac & rebecca did not agree wth child rearng...sarah was upset b4 she gv hagar to abraham... wht couple is perfect?...we were creatd & formd finite-not perfect/a lttl lowr than th angels as "a newborn" relatvly speakng...we were creatd & formd for G.O.D.'S glory-always & n th beginnng-G.O.D. is not ppl/man tht G.O.D. shud lie... if there strife btwn egg producers & sperm producers; why wudnt there b strife btwn 2 egg producers or 2 sperm producers-is tht not our nature?... was there not strife btwn jacob & esau, joseph & his brothrs, absolom & his brothr, abraham's herders & lot's herder?... our ndvdl nterpretatns/opinions carry no authority/no powr...wht does The Holy Spirit teach us-is G.O.D. not logical & we illogical-isaiah 44?... let us not b/think as th pharasies & sadducees...

[@bringinglighttothescriptures]

Always remember the Torah from God was, let a man leave father and mother and cleave to his wife and the TWO become ONE flesh. Genesis 2:24

[@displayofgodssplendor2687]

Amazing reply❤️

[@Trilltracks1]

Totally agree the man would become one flesh with his wife and if he chose to have another he would become one flesh with her as well. This scripture does not forbid a man from taking more than one wife. Concubine as well, as long as she was not married.

[@alexismoore8406]

Amen

[@NaijaCINE]

@@Trilltracks1 Is the Father's design for people to be one flesh with multiple living people at the same time?

[@Trilltracks1]

@@NaijaCINE husband and wife are to be one flesh. people are getting this confused due to the feminism that is so heavily promoted in todays society. It was an very high honor for a woman to be married to a man and a even higher honor for them to be in a polygamist marriage. The men who had more than one wife were considered the upperclass of men.

[@DuaneXplain]

One wife was enough for Adam and it’ll be enough for us also. This scripture says a man have his own wife (singular) not wives (plural) “Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭7:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@CeCe-os3ul]

Even Christian men can’t accept this. It’s sad that they do badly want to hold on to having more than one women

[@massamakossikatabale1610]

@@CeCe-os3ul Read Genesis 3:16

[@CeCe-os3ul]

@@massamakossikatabale1610 stop perverting the word of God for your carnal fleshly desires

[@massamakossikatabale1610]

@@CeCe-os3ul You are the one who is carnal

[@comal90]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@CeCe-os3ul​​⁠​⁠​⁠no monagamy is a lie spread by the Roman Catholic Church as well as vows as well as Christmas and much more polygyny is the only poly allowed the original Hebrew Scriptures where rewritten to other languages with biased monagamy writers. Sex=marriage not the celebration or the adding of catholic weddings or the vows with the priest. You can celebrate or give vows all you want but if there is no sex is it really a loving relationship no. That is why they become a flesh not one flesh how the English written Bible says it. In Hebrew the translations says a flesh not one flesh meaning sexual intercourse

[@mepeverett]

Biblically, no. Is it for every man/woman? no. Is it permissible? yes. And there are biblical restrictions.

[@tracysmith9900]

Go ahead a laugh it up but it's not funny at all what is the definition of sin??? The law commandments. No it doesn't say it's a sin this was from Roman law....All of us is brain washed by Babylon

[@sheritaj199]

This is great!!! Wonderful question, enlightening and transparent responses. Thank you all for sharing this, Jude 3 Project !!!!

[@lark8356]

The answer is Yes. Jesus himself implied this when he said that one who divorces and then marries another commits adultery. If polygyny was permitted, then marrying someone else after making a failed attempt at divorce wouldn't be adultery. It wouldn't be a violation of the marital covenant.

[@kadmielvalcin]

Amen. Christ's points Matthew 19 referred back to The Father's foundation in Genesis 2.

[@derrickcarson]

@@ArchAGabriel Who said God didn't have a problem with it in the Old Testament?

[@kimallnaturelle]

@@ArchAGabriel the Bible never told anyone to take multiple wives. The Bible described said men's status only. If anyone say that God "okay'd" a human's actions/decisions by His "using them despite said actions/decisions" clearly has a lack of understanding of God's love and perfect will vs man's free will.

[@klyetruman7285]

@@derrickcarson he didnt because he regulated it himself you fool. Exodus 21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

[@derrickcarson]

@@klyetruman7285 So is your position that if God regulates something that he is OK with that activity?

[@Faithdude95]

The Bible never speaks of polygamy in any positive way, but specifically and purposely paints it in a negative light at every point, although it was culturally normative in many respects for the wealthy. Going back to Gen 4:23 Lamech a descendant of Cain arrogance as a polygamist is striking. We are introduced to another Lamech in the line of Seth in Gen 5:29 who has a son who is presented in the text as righteous and not coincidental, Noah is a monogamist along with his 3 sons(Shem, Ham, Jay). In the middle of these two intros is the infamous Gen 6 which i jokingly call "Earth Girls are Easy" . Much debate on the identity of the Sons of God and nephilim(Giants/Fallen). The text clearly states the direction of YHWH ire in the matter is only with man! Not angels, but man, not demigods or titians, man. Only mankind is the issue! Unlike Gen 3 where the serpent(the shining one) and man(Adam/Eve) ALL GET THAT WORK! If the Sons of God are angles why is the text absent angelic punishment in Gen 6? Therefore the "sons of God" are simply men, perhaps kingly men or godly king men who were more interested in being the Cheieftans of "pound town" than the priestly reps of God on Earth. The story therefore is a polemic against "polygamy" and how society further devolves into sin via this lustful and arrogant practice. These accounts makes the reader ponder the juxtaposition of polygamy and monogamy and its affect on society. Specific examples will be unfolded later in Genesis w/ the tryst of Abraham, Sarah, Hagar and Jacob, Leah, Rachel and on and on. The polemics continue with David and Solomon both, godly king reps. At some point it becomes about laying hands on the Thicc and not the sick. My $.02

[@kinghearted8826]

Deuteronomy Chapter 21 15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: 16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: 17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

[@Faithdude95]

@@kinghearted8826 do you belive this is a positive scripture on the matter?

[@kinghearted8826]

@@Faithdude95 yes, not only do I believe but I know it's a positive scripture on the matter.

[@Faithdude95]

@@kinghearted8826 please enlighten us.

[@kinghearted8826]

@@Faithdude95 read it without a biased mindset and you will enlighten yourself.

[@johnkinyanjui2385]

They did not support NO with any verse from the bible, they don’t believe in biblical too

[@lamargrisby8376]

The bible clearly says thou shall not commit adultery, which is sex outside ones spouse. So if your married, and you sleep with another person, you're in adultery. In fact, adultery was punished by death via stoning. Why would God give that command if polygamy was ok to him🤔?

[@massamakossikatabale1610]

If marrying several wives was considered adultery then why was David or Solomon not stoned to death? Even Moses himself would have been stoned to death too.

[@lamargrisby8376]

@@massamakossikatabale1610 again, like the brotha said in the video- just because something is recorded in the bible does not mean it was cosigned or endorsed by God. And Israel clearly did not carry out every command or regulation in the given law. Hence, their downfall. God made it clear in scripture that adultery is sin, a man and woman become 1 flesh in marriage, and that a king is not to have multiple wives becuz his heart will be led astray from God. That's exactly what happened to Solomon. His heart left God and it led to his downfall as Israel's king. David's affair with Bathsheba had deadly consequences, and he had consequences of having multiple children with different wives. One son attempted to kill him and take his throne. Plus, there was turmoil among his other children where one son raped his half sister. That led to murder. Some of Israel's fiercest enemies were descendants of illegitimate children with other women some men had actually. So biblically, the consequences of such behavior is all over scripture. From a societal/cultural standpoint in those times, it was custom for any king to be permitted to have multiple wives. Kings of surrounding pagan nations practiced polygamy and Israel copied that practice, along with other forbidden things. But, God didn't approve of it.

[@massamakossikatabale1610]

@@lamargrisby8376 God punished David for taking Uriah's wife and killing him but didn't rebuke him for the other several wives he took for himself. Solomon took many foreign wives who turned his heart from God. God gave a law against taking foreign wives but regarding taking another woman as a wife He gave the command that the husband shouldn't subtract from the first wife her rights to food or clothing. If God who is the one who instituted marriage never gave the command not to take a second wife who are we to say it's a sin? Even Pharisees condemned Jesus because He healed on the Sabbath day but they didn't know that Jesus is Lord over the Sabbath. Let it be clear to you that polygamy is not adultery or Moses would have been stoned to death because he married more than one wife, David would have been stoned, Solomon would have been stoned to death. The Bible is clear regarding sin and what is the punishment for sins like adultery, homosexuality, bestiality and so on. If adultery was prohibited by the Law we would hear at least one instance in the Bible where God rebukes a man for taking a second wife or a man is being stoned to death for marrying a second wife. But God never rebuked any man for marrying more than one wife

[@lamargrisby8376]

@@massamakossikatabale1610 Incorrect. The bible records that John the Baptist rebuked Herod for taking his brothers wife, Herodias, which was adultery. And I believe 1 of Davids wives passed away. Stoning the parties involved in ADULTERY was to be carried out as part of Jewish civil law. But the jews failed to COMPLETELY KEEP THE LAW CIVILY, CEREMONIALLY, AND MORALLY . This was all part of what led to their downfall. Death of a spouse permits remarriage biblically. John rebuking Herod led to John's death. Jesus himself said that if ANY man divorces or puts away his wife and marries another is guilty of Adultery. Like I said, in eastern culture or society, KINGS were allowed by the PEOPLE to take more than 1 wife at a time. But God never APPROVED it for the jews. And sure, scripture does not record every punishment or instance when one was dealt with for sin. YESHUA makes it very clear. Gods intention for marriage was for 1 man and 1 woman to become 1 flesh. Jesus referenced that in the gospels. You are in sin if you divorce and marry another woman. Adultery is sin outside your marriage covenant. Israel failed to keep the law completely as I stated before HENCE the exceptions and seemingly contradictions. But I always go back to God's standard stated out the gate and that's what we are to measure these things by. Not cultural or societal norms. God forbade polytheism in scripture but yet Israel practiced it countless times. But they were punished. We must rightly divide the word.

[@massamakossikatabale1610]

@@lamargrisby8376 Marrying another man's wife is clearly adultery. Divorce which is sending your wife away is prohibited by God . But Apostle Paul said that the one who marries the virgin has not sinned. And also marrying more than one wife is not equivalent to divorcing the first wife.

[@derekob7334]

Polygyny caused problems?? Look at all the issues in monogamous relationships. It doesn't matter monogamous or Polygyny, thats just relationships issues.

[@bcdmovement6856]

Yes description 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@kadmielvalcin]

This was great. Wish it was longer.

[@UnKoolKevClay]

love that line. "just because its recorded in the bible doesnt mean we should blindly endorse or condone it". I use this all the time in conversation with my fellow christians. #BLM #PLM

[@pinkahboo925]

Exactly, monogamy is also in the bible because of the pagan romans and greeks who invented it. Shouldn't practice that either.

[@marcusmuse4787]

@@pinkahboo925 1 Corinthians 7:2 ESV But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

[@marcusmuse4787]

@@pinkahboo925 Titus 1:6 ESV If anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. (just because it's in the bible doesn't mean its accepted by God, it's just telling us what's happening its describing how things were)

[@Polygyny]

​@@marcusmuse4787a command for elders is not a command for everyone

[@comal90]

@@pinkahboo925dude thank monagomy was forced, I finally see polygyny finally fighting its way back to society slowly, it was forced by the Roman’s

[@jadonguzman]

Deuteronomy 17 17 He must not acquire many wives for himself so that his heart won’t go astray. He must not acquire very large amounts of silver and gold for himself.

[@PastorDowell]

I can tell you right now these people do not know the Scriptures! Tell them I’ll debate them my name is pastor Dowell

[@michaelangelo9119]

There are also indirect statements. Multiple wives stories all went bad. Heartache between the wives, heartache between the children even ending with toxic dad favoritism and jealous brothers selling their broJoe for cash to their cousin Ishmaelites. God used the mess to save them all!!! Directly? Yes marriage is for oneness. The two shall become one less. It doesn't say the many shall become one flesh. Jesus referred to marriage originally for oneness and interestingly used a narration portion of Genesis even calling the narration 'God said"

[@Indigolily80]

If we use your argument then it is wrong to have more than one child. Siblings murdered each other in the bible, too.

[@Faithdude95]

@@Indigolily80 Substituting a person's actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of their position is a classic logically fallacy called STRAWMAN!

[@KiRetteCouture]

Thank you. It really is that simple. The premise of polygamy is often lust for sex, wealth or power. The rest are excuses. The trajectory of polygamous marriages in the Bible are cautionary tales. Not reasons to justify a system that often ends in tragedy.

[@SherrickDuncan]

The Man who said (I don't even know what a concubine is. Is that a side piece?) is not qualified to answer this question Biblically. Nor where any of these people the question was asked of.

[@charlesbeatty888]

Te scripture didn't say Solomon raped Bathsheba. Nor was it insinuated. This panel did not scripturally answer the question

[@messiahboss6903]

Simple, he who is bound to a wife seek not to be loose. Let every man have his own wife, wives submit to your own husbands. One wife til death & then you're free from that marriage to marry another.

[@ikechukwu95]

Says who? You?

[@messiahboss6903]

@@ikechukwu95 folks gone do as they please in their marriages, but according to scripture that's what it is.

[@ikechukwu95]

@@messiahboss6903 Feel free to share the scripture.

[@faithhouse6111]

@@ikechukwu95 1 Cor. 7:2 / 1 Peter 3:1

[@jamescollier7360]

@@faithhouse6111 I’ve never read the Greek scriptures but it has been said that it actually says wives and the back drop to this if I’m not mistaken is those followers in Christ her were still participating in sex magic in pagan temples this was something repetitive throughout scripture.

[@PatriarchalPatrick]

Sin came through the world first through Eve, a monogamous relationship. So one can conclude that having a woman in your life in general will bring you trouble.

[@beatallmighty58]

NAILED!!!!!!!!!!

[@olabisidurojaiye]

God create man in his image, male and female plus God as the third cord . This is to display his image and glory. A three cord cannot be easily broken. God created marriage for his glory . Prescriptive is the key , let’s look at Gods perspective not man . He created them male and female from the beginning . Two

[@BGROBO99]

Let's emphasize first the answer to the question: NO it's not a sin and never described as sin and God gave a man multiple wives AND God has two wives AND Jesus has a relationship with each individual person and SAVES us each. Western Greco-Roman culture teaches monogamy and Western Christianity ascribes this to Christ but Christ never prescribed marriage. Let no man tear asunder is actually a divorce teaching NOT a marriage teaching.

[@Activation1111]

It should be obvious to even the most amateur observer,, that monogamy does not come natural to the human species (although there are a few animals species on this planet, where monogamy does come naturally. But human beings aren’t one of them). Although Long-term pair bonding does occur within the human species. it doesn’t necessarily mean,, monogamy. Down through human history, diverse cultures throughout the world practiced different relationship styles. Including polygyny, polyandry, polygamy, polyamory/ethical non-monogamy. Where there is consent there is no cheating. Legal government/state controlled or religious controlled or mandated Marriage,, is a made-up concept. It does not exist in nature. But as I mentioned,, pair bonding does comes natural to the human species

[@apollosapologist9237]

@Lisa Fields. First of all David did not rape Bathsheba. Not sure where you learned that. As for the multiple wives there is a law in Exodus 21 that allowed the Israelites to have multiple wives only upon certain conditions. As for these modern times, multiple wives is a sin. 1Cor 7, 1Tim 3, Matt 19, etc. But in Heaven there will be multiple wives again.......

[@kathleensenessie9670]

Leave and cleave, God said in Genesis just after he created the male an the female. The confusion that comes from multiple husbands or wives does not allow a peaceful leaving and cleaving

[@trobace]

In the Old Covenant polygamy was tolerated by God. The New Covenant is a covenant of strictly love. Love is a product of faithfulness to one as Christ is faithful to his one bride church.

[@psmith5830]

Maybe some christians are unaware of the strong proclamations of Christian beliefs and Foundation and that will explain them not understanding why when people read the Bible they're taking it literally as it spoke rather than look for eclectic and Mystic ways to understand what they're reading such as the way preachers say which is bending towards God way of thinking and not your own..... do they understand how they made a statement without giving any explanation or understanding of what is possible about there advice or what is coherent? Especially since most people who read the Bible are already Believers and already have the understanding that as they read God is already present leading them so preachers sound like there correcting them with information that believers already using but getting different results than what the preacher desire. Next it seems like there dismissing the skill and ability that humans were given from God which is to think and comprehend. I know there are very confusing indoctrination and sermons that Pastor gives that contradict each other as well as go against the possible practical way we do things and make people feel insufficient with the skills that are really human ability by giving a standard of extra spiritualism Always setting the bar high so you never really questioned God but you question your own ability it's a trick.... SO IS HAVING MULTIPLE MARRIAGES SIMULTANEOUSLY A SIN YES OR NO....IS THIS ANSWER STATED CLEARLY IN BIBLE WITHOUT ANY INTERPRETATION???? Yes this direct answer does matter no we are not wrong or misunderstanding or off focus because we ask this question and for demanding a unified undeniable evidently answer...for the sake of knowing god stands on this in every culture in every position in time. Of the world since the proclamation is the Bible is useful and purposeful in our lives as well as the standard for what we are to do and always has been... most Christians response to difficult question is them feeling as if they have to show us teach us and explains us how our focus and how our thinking is off... it's a trick cuz they know most Christians already go by the principle and understanding that God is in Authority always perfect we're imperfect (made to always think humble and less of them selfs especially compared to bible) we have to catch up so anytime there's a misunderstanding or something or something is seen as wrong and morally evil in the Bible or a lack of proper guidance from the Bible, that person indoctrinated and manipulated to see themself at fault it is a trick!

[@TcvMedia]

Reality is they never answered the question. Is it a sin? Did God forbid it? Is it against Gods law?….the answer is NO..period.

[@comal90]

Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are not satisfied spending years with one woman godless you

[@civilmusicconnect9969]

The greatest example we should follow is the one God gives us in Genesis when He create A man and gives him A wife as a suitable helper. One of the biggest mistakes we can make is to base our theological views and lives off of the example given by other fallible men and women in the Bible. We must remember that everyone in the Bible with the exception of Jesus are sinful and imperfect people. Jesus is the standard for holiness. Even when Paul is instructing those who were married he commanded the man to love his wife in the same way Christ loved the church who died for the church. Referring to 1 single wife not many. Also in the NT the apostle Paul gives requirements for leadership roles and one of the requirements were a husband of one wife. Not only highlighting the leadership role of a man in the relationship, but also highlighting the healthy construct of marriage which is between 1 man and 1 women.

[@pinkahboo925]

Paul is speaking to Roman amd Greek cultures, unless you can find an example to jews.

[@civilmusicconnect9969]

@@pinkahboo925 Paul isn't exclusively addressing Roman and Greek cultures in all of his writings. A good example is 1 Corinthians 14:37 where Paul is addressing the operation of Spiritual gifts in the church. He states "If anyone" which extends the gravity of his commands beyond the church in Corinth to the church in general.

[@pinkahboo925]

@@civilmusicconnect9969 yes, and he addressed them according to cultural norms.

[@Robbyjhay88]

All y’all got it wrong. Why would you guys discuss something you clearly haven’t put much thought into it???

[@rrickarr]

If the Bible records it, it does not endorse it!!!! So, then how do you decide what is a to be followed and what isn´t. So when Leviticus says all the things you should not do, is that just a description of what someone wrote. Are the Letters of Paul simply what someone wrote but we don´t need to endorse them???? And you have not demonstrated that polygamy or polygyny is a sin!!!!!!! ou have to be much more precise than this or admit there is room for interpretation.

[@THELIGHTBRINGER144THOUSAND]

Divorce is adultery Jesus even says that. If you add on a wife that is not adultery

[@ServTheKing]

Teachers will be held to a higher standard. The responses seemed like they came from a place of a willing spirit, but are disturbingly ignorant.

[@1CSPerry]

I’d love to hear your response to the question. Enlightenment please, because that’s a rather strong statement you made. I’m assuming you have a more logical response. So once again, love hear it.

[@ServTheKing]

@@1CSPerry we don't always get what we want in life. Not all of us are entitled and incapable of reason.

[@1CSPerry]

@@ServTheKing my wife often tells to stop hoping, “What they did is what they do.” I thought you had more than a complaint to offer, but I guess I was wrong. Nonetheless, enjoy the rest of your evening.

[@ServTheKing]

@@1CSPerry do your own research

[@itserica-erica2618]

Solomon went crazy too!

[@livinlovinleo9496]

Thank you for bringing in scripture from Matthew 19! That’s how you answer questions about scripture. You go back to specific scripture or scriptures and see what our Father says about it. ✝️🙌🏾 Everything else adds to and builds upon and brings clarity.

[@Pressingon1966]

If marriage represents Christ’s relationship with the church, don’t you think we should know what the biblical definition of marriage is? Most of us obviously know that marriage is between a man and a woman, but did you know that marriage to a divorced woman is adultery? Nothing can turn a relationship that a divorced woman gets into while her husband is living; into a true, God defined marriage. She remains in adultery as long as she remains in a sexual/emotional relationship with another man besides her living, covenant husband.  On the other hand, a man who is divorced because of his wife’s persistent sexual immorality is free to marry another woman. Do you know why this is? It’s because a God defined marriage can be a man who has one wife or multiple wives. If a man who is divorced because of his wife’s sexual immorality marries another woman, that doesn’t mean he is not still married to his first wife; that does not mean that the first wife cannot return to him if she comes to repentance. A man taking another wife after he is divorced for legitimate reasons, does not close the door to reconciliation with his first wife. If you believe differently, I ask you, for the sake of the glory of God, to present evidence from the Bible to support your claim.  And if you do agree, please share what you are doing about it.

[@Spiritman371]

Was ask this question by someone some years ago and I did not do a good job In providing the answers the person needed. I think Flame and Truth did a good job In representing it. If we search the scriptures through the mind of the Spirit we will find the answers to most of our questions. The problem is when we read the scriptures and hope the interpretation goes in our favor.

[@vernonu7314]

What does it mean to search the Scriptures through the mind of the Spirit? The question was does the Bible characterize polygyny as a sin. The plane answer is no, the Bible does not condemn polygyny as a sin. Why can’t you guys just answer the question?

[@Spiritman371]

@@vernonu7314 surely you did not come here looking for an answer. It seems to me you had it all along.

[@vernonu7314]

@@Spiritman371 I came to see how people would answer the young man's question. Does your response mean you don't intend to tell me what "search the Scriptures through the mind to the Spirit" means?

[@Spiritman371]

@@vernonu7314 probably I used the wrong phrase. That phrase was meant to say that once you search the scriptures through prayer, humility and the desire to know what God is saying in his word you will get the answers...thats all my friend.

[@1CSPerry]

@@vernonu7314 I think we all tend to complicate things that are simple. Nonetheless, what’s your understanding of the difference between polygamy vs polygyny? I’m trying to understand your premise for stating that the Bible does not condemn it. Maybe from your perspective it may make more sense, but I’d have to see that angle or view point seems logical. Cause I personally, have see that the scriptures speak against such actions in the old and new testaments. I’ll elaborate after you reply though. Maybe I’m missing something...👀

[@selenasimmons6653]

Why would a man take on more than 1 wife when all the examples show it was trouble tht followed when having multiple wives??!?! That is what the panel is saying!! Solomon had ways and means to support 700 wives & 300 side pieces...BUT YET still kept asking what else is there?? Read the book of Ecclesiastes...it was written by King Solomon...

[@itserica-erica2618]

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 33 helpful votes Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. Corinthians 7:2 ESV / 25 helpful votes But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

[@ericwashington7815]

When God brought Eve to Adam, they were united in marriage: the “woman” in Genesis 2:22 is called Adam’s “wife” in verse 24. The pattern for marriage, the first social institution, was thus established by God in Eden. The manner of Eve’s creation is “why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.” The unity of a married couple and the “one flesh” principle are based on the fact that God used one of Adam’s ribs to make the woman. God’s use of one of Adam’s ribs to make Eve is a reminder that woman was created to be “beside” man. Together, the man and woman complement one another in marriage, and in Christ they are “heirs together of the grace of life” (1 Peter 3:7, NKJV).

[@vernonu7314]

You typed a lot of words, but I did not see an answer to the question that is presented in the title. In your study of the scriptures, does the bible say that polygamy is a sin?

[@ericwashington7815]

@@vernonu7314 Yes, it is a sin......What is adultery?

[@ericwashington7815]

@@vernonu7314 Don't be wise in your own eyes!!

[@vernonu7314]

@@ericwashington7815 Adultery is having intimate relations with another man's wife.

[@vernonu7314]

@@ericwashington7815 I have no idea why you wrote this comment to me. Why do you think I needed you to write this to me?

[@MakotlaTau]

Polygamy is not the problem, the problem is the culture, what has been the results of areas the adopted the western idea of monogomy, have marriage become better or worse. In my country its worse, it was much better during the days of polygamy, jealousy is no excuse even siblings have rivalry due to jealousy, so its more about culture.

[@marcusmuse4787]

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

[@comal90]

Read the original translations because it has a different meaning the Bible has been rewritten by biased monagamy writers from the Roman Catholics

[@tonyebiere551]

This woman is just misquoting the Bible, there was no place in the book that says Bathsheba was raped by King David, she agreed because King David was a King. If he raped her the Bible would have added that to his list of sins

[@crystalb1845]

The female host made a great point. Very cool videos with actual real topics/questions. Love it!

[@victorcaraveo4997]

No women today is going to accept competition in the matrimony, she will tell you Do you want another women then good by I will find somebody that just wants me.

[@iamlaurengill]

This is a VALID question because marriage is not how we perceive it to be current day. Women were property and marriage was a business transaction between men. It was not built on love and companionship

[@romariosmith422]

Not all.

[@KiRetteCouture]

That was man's version. God's idea behind marriage is clear in Genesis. Men and women were supposed to work together to have dominion over the earth.

[@Zeku39]

Yell don’t know the Bible

[@justlistenandhearmeout7631]

JEREMIAH 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, JEREMIAH 10:25 Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for they have eaten up Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate. ECCLESIASTES 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. GENESIS 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GENESIS 22:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he

[@jamesengland7461]

I mean, it's obviously adultery....

[@vernonu7314]

The only thing that is obvious is that you are wrong.

[@comal90]

@@vernonu7314 Ty brother for spreading the truth monagamy has been forced by the Roman’s and then by society ever since, it’s a big reason why so many men are masturbating endlessly on pornhub because they are spending years with only one woman, godless you

[@jimmylynn661]

Jesus didn't appeal to God he is God God allowed these things to happen because man had no capacity to love just one wife without the power of God not even the father of faith abraham could just be with one woman coz he heeded to the voice of his wife jesus said that it is because of the hardness of men's hearts that the reason why men did what they did the holy spirit was not yet given