Does the Cities Skylines 2 Decorations Patch Fix Homelessness?

[@CityPlannerPlays]

EDIT - temporary homeless fix can be found on the community tab. Hey everyone! Jumped on a quick stream on Twitch to test a few suggestions. If you want to check out the VOD, you can find it here: www.twitch.tv/videos/2242550524

[@ishaanthadani7100]

I’d suggest making this a community post so that people who’ve watched this video already, do t have to come here becuase most won’t come back to the video again. 👍

[@CityPlannerPlays]

@@ishaanthadani7100 will do

[@danesabo1278]

You hit the nail on the head that not being able to see the number of homeless people is very frustrating.

[@davidcampbell2143]

@@danesabo1278 I can see how this is frustrating, but as for realism, isn't it quite normal for city officials to only have estimates of the number of homeless people? I can see how since they would not be registered at an adress it would make any figures be based on estimates of social services, police and health agencies.

[@DudokX]

@@davidcampbell2143 Maybe there should be city office building that if properly staffed would get you pretty accurate stats.

[@davidcampbell2143]

@@DudokX that would be a cool feature, along with night shelters to improve the wellbeing and lower crime.

[@JFrenchman]

@@DudokX reminds me of Dwarf Fortress where you have to hire a record keeper to get accurate estimates of your stores and the quality depends on their abilities

[@YumiMirah]

@danesabo1278 @davidcampbell2143 @DudokX @JFrenchman Theres actually a mod that you can check to see how many homeless cims in your city. It is call Cims census

[@NotAverageAfro]

Didn't even realise that this patch had come out and then wondered what was happening to my economy. Unemplyement did drop from 40% down to 10% though so whatever they've done has worked for me

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Out of curiosity, did you have Bye Bye homeless prior to the patch?

[@Clewerly]

How's the crime rate? Still have thousands of criminals in your city?

[@NotAverageAfro]

@@CityPlannerPlays I didn't, i didn't realise it was a thing until this video

[@NotAverageAfro]

@@Clewerly yep, it was fine before. Now there's always crimes going on but it's slowly getting better with more police education and jobs

[@Clewerly]

@@NotAverageAfro My city before the bye bye homeless mod and update had 1000 population, but 4000 criminals and hundreds in jail. Hopefully that's gone now

[@ReneBrain]

Unemployment went from 32% to less than 5. Still going down. People are massiveley queueing at tge outside connections. It works

[@Carnagemode]

how did you play the patch?

[@gamesforgames1727]

Same here! My train stations had 5000 people waiting for a train for me!!

[@DokisKalin1]

@@ReneBrain good to hear this!

[@joshuasims5421]

Good, I had similar problems before, I'll try again!

[@ReneBrain]

@@Carnagemode i installed it today in the morning after i played the city. then after install i started it and the performance went down horribly because the patch started recalculating everything. Then the unemployment went from 32 to 25 to 20 to 16 and so on and after it went under 5% i saved the game since i had to do something else, i think it took like 10 minutes. while the unemployment went down i noticed that my transit started ramping up and now i have huge queues on all my public transport that can get the homeless out of the city so i assume i'll have to wait for an hour or so until i got them all out and then we'll see ^^ since i've had ca 146k people and an bloated unemployment rate of 32 % i think there are now somewhere between 40-50k homeless people leaving the town now LOL. i have like 10k people just waiting in one subway station :D

[@franki1651]

That elevated subway station bug drove me crazy, glad to see they fixed it

[@ashmoffat]

Long time listener, first time caller. Great video, I'm getting most of my CS2 info from you nowadays. I hope you're right this is just a start and more is to come.

[@jordandegraaff]

The homeless in the game ironically and sadly feels very realistic. The game is just missing services and shelters for them, but otherwise, I think not knowing what to do is a standard feeling in all cities. Or at least the city where I work. I always wish more could be done that can make a meaningful impact.

[@sheep4483]

this is what I was thinking when he was talking about not knowing the number of people without homes and complete lack of services and policies to help them and them being seen as just an annoyance lol

[@Dolthra]

I always think about this when people used to say that the easiest way to fix the homeless population before the patch (and without the Bye Bye Homeless mod) was to just make you intercity buses free. Because, y'know, "let's just displace the homeless to another city" is a real thing some city governments do to "fix" their homeless problem.

[@JelliinaCup]

I believe there is a Welfare office unlock, outside that yeah we need more ways to help, cause outside the welfare office you just have to provide more than you think you need of low income housing

[@beastgamingpie792]

8:00 😭😭so nice of you to mention us, we the gfn community of cs2 really are limited to vanilla, it is horrible.

[@subjectc7505]

It is annoying lol

[@anthonyortali3260]

There is a small mod called "Cim Census" that will tell you how many homeless people are in your city. It also tells you some interesting things like how many tourists and vehicles are in your city.

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Thank you! Will pick that up

[@toddsothen]

I have Cim Census as well, and I noticed my homeless population went from 1200 to 9000 in 1 month game time.

[@YumiMirah]

@@toddsothen pfff.. you definitely miss something or doing something wrong..

[@kopshi]

I mean from your demand bars, maybe you do just genuinely have a homelessness problem! You're city's about as desirable as SLO with the housing to jobs mismatch to boot. You could try spam building low rent housing in a throwaway save to see if that brings things back around.

[@fluxk7506]

I was going to say MC does have a lot of demand and while it is a quaint build where towering skyscrapers don't make sense, his expressions are tiny compared to demand.

[@davidcampbell2143]

@@fluxk7506 yeah, this game really misses low rent row homes and low rent small apartment buildings as an option. This seems to American.

[@fluxk7506]

@davidcampbell2143 might also be because he's building a county. But imo the game is complex enough to handle that, it just doesn't have the assets to do so

[@davidcampbell2143]

@@fluxk7506 agreed. I don'th think the simulation wouldn't be able to deal with it, but if I'm correct the only low rent housing assets are highrise appartements. So that is the only thing that will grow.

[@CityPlannerPlays]

You can see it around 1:52, but I spammed low rent to now avail. I’ll have to keep playing around and see if I just, indeed, need more density. Feeling hopeful seeing how many folks had quick resolutions.

[@viaz.design]

On my vanilla city the patch completely fixed it, including other problems that I had no idea why I was the only one to have

[@fateunleashed9680]

I saw a comment on Biffa's video about a similar function to Satisfactory using soft and hard collisions. Some items soft collide, but can still be placed as long as it doesn't hard collide.

[@_ikasaki_]

yeah but in satisfactory there are not that much asset you can place to begin with. so, to build second collision model is still achieveable thing to do. With amount of CS2 asset, it's only considerable either to force collision or not all together. but I can still see that they kinda did this if only to services building only

[@truculenttabasco]

Love your work Phil, thanks for your continued efforts and love for this series!

[@markridgway249]

These videos really help me keep up with the game when I take breaks. Thanks for the great commentary

[@Emguilla]

4:28 "So something is improving..." dude walks through a table 😂 More seriously, I agree with you on the lack of utility of the props, would be great if each of them had a fractional value of interest of different types (sit, play, sight, ...) to the agents :)

[@justinboggin9086]

I suspect interactive props that aren't part of a set piece is really really hard. Plus at the raw number of agents I also suspect it wouldn't be economical from a performance perspective. Which is still a real problem.

[@danilooliveira6580]

if I'm not mistaken all the game does is set up a zone that is basically "interact with props here".

[@0pyrophosphate0]

@@danilooliveira6580 Then it sounds like they have 90% of the park life functionality already done.

[@nephritedreams]

Unrelated, that tarp texture is kinda great

[@amwarrior1993]

Apparently to fix it, you either need to provide connections to outside world, or high density as its cheaper for people. But need to ensure that there is availability after people moving into the city. Essentially, need to drop the demand to create vacancies for them to move into

[@bellarosethorne]

Yesterday's stream attempts at solving the problem involved placing a lot of low-rent housing all over the place, including in undesirable areas (to you know.. focus the demand to those who just needed to not be homeless) and the homeless count was still slowly rising. There would still be new, rich people moving into the buildings and the homeless would still be comfortably homeless. We saw one person choose to leave. I wonder if it's a case of these attempts to change status are still happening *way* too slowly. perhaps it could be fixed with a new policy of "priotise housing the homeless" which would just.. check the homeless list first when populating a new lot.

[@tobiasalexander4491]

I can't help but feel as though "missed (an) opportunity" is code for something else in this video... :) Thanks for your insight as always, Phil!

[@benmann16]

The homelessness issues should be linked with the Welfare Office with policies or, as you said, some kind of homeless shelter options.

[@albertorbinati5511]

I'm currently playing your latest Magnolia County map. Really excellent job, thank you. I especially appreciate your attention to detail!

[@Kirk-LS]

I expect this will be an unpopular comment for many, but... it seems to me that City Skylines is first and foremost a simulation. I understand how enjoyable it can be for the detailers in our community. But I wish CO would concentrate first on getting the simulation fixed before spending their time on props, decals, decorations and such. Just my humble .02 cents.

[@climbout]

@@Kirk-LS but it's not really. It only recently had the simulation update to somewhat fix the obviously non existent simulation mechanics. This game as whole is entirely a "city painter". Far from a thorough simulation.

[@thephantomchannel5368]

The idea of Cities Skylines being a simulation is a farce. This applies to both version 1 and the sequel. I say this because of an interview given by the CEO of Colossal Order where she tells a story about how she was approached by a city planning group that asked if they could use the game as a training tool and after they looked into it found that the simulation was a facade they asked her if her team could program an actual simulation into the game and without hesitation she said no and laughed when she answered the question. The planning team still used the game but only as a generic tool for road layouts. I went down the rabbit hole looking up old interviews and lectures given by the CEO, she is woefully inadequate for the position that she was given and still holds. The game is a glorified city painter disguised and advertised as a "simulation".

[@h.f6364]

obviously its a simulation game thats the selling point 🤷 they're not spending any extra time on props, they spent their time coding in a menu for them

[@Distress.]

The thing is i Think most of this is the art teams work, they don't have much to do except QoL stuff while the rest of the programmers work on asset modding, and bug fixes.

[@Bris01]

I love detailing but I absolutely agree. First you fix the game so it actually works right and then you dress it up. Doing it the other way around is not just unhelpful but creates a feeling of being cheated.

[@RenegadeVile]

I also get the feeling the prop part of the patch is something that's still actively being worked on. It's in a functional state, so they figured they would push this version out already, since it IS usable. And then they'll add more down the line.

[@avail6797]

Changing some industry to use water vapor for exhaust rather than smoke sounds like Colossal Orders is planning to add industry districting.

[@andyblondyn1898]

Hey Phil! Love your new UBG series, hope to see it more often. Have a great day!

[@coach.pattie]

The roast in this video is so real. It's kind of crazy that they haven't added a search function, line tool, and undo tool. I'm glad they're fixing things, but those are also pretty basic tools that I feel like should've been added by now ~_~. But the continued support is good and we ARE getting closer, just baby steps haha

[@SxSxG666]

Homelessness has so much potential as a game feature but in SK2 it is a mere annoyance. The game engine lacks a social layer that we will most likely never get to implement the feature properly.

[@qers]

Maybe we'll get a Homeless Shelter public service building that'll only work optimally if within a certain radius of the Wellfare Office.

[@SxSxG666]

@@qers It would be a start but without real consequences and impacts on districts it's nothing more than a service you have to cover. I think the developers should stick to what they have and focus on traffic management and a simulated economy. There is enough work to do to bring their game even close to the best simulation games out there.

[@combine_soldier6897]

can't wait for the homelessness dlc!

[@qers]

@@SxSxG666Since the homeless end up in parks in CS2, maybe it could gradually reduce the happiness boost those give to your citizens. If there's too many homeless in a park, it'll eventually become a negative impact on your citizens happiness.

[@saladuit]

Perhaps they should add homeless shelters?

[@NoDecaf7]

I'm so wildly excited for this patch. I'll eventually get around to launching the game again, I've got a wedding I'm focusing my energy on now, and when I do, it's going to be fabulous! Thank you for covering these patches and providing some tips to help adjust our cities to each patch and what to expect as they stabilize ❤

[@99Pierogies]

I'm incredibly jealous of your fiancee 😅 gl with the wedding!

[@Zeph_42]

Thanks so much for videos like these Phil, I really look forward to the day that CS2 fulfills its core promise, but until then I'm content to play other city builders and watch you (and others) play the game as it is right now

[@justanotheraccounthere2014]

If you already had full residential demand at the start of the hour long test, which seems to be the case at 2:17, number of homeless people should not go down by much, since there were minimal existing empty homes to move into and reduced number of citizens moving out, unless you zoned a bunch of new residential.

[@Distress.]

That's what I was thinking, its not enough to leave it running. Now that the population is stable, the homeless need new job zones and residential zones.

[@ramio1983]

I really hope to see citizens enjoying the city more OUTSIDE of parks. I am talking sports grounds, beaches, stadiums and more realistic animations with things like hearses and firetrucks.

[@huskerpower02]

Thanks as always for an honest review. Seems like there's been several painfully obvious oversights and missed opportunities with every update. At this point, there needs to be some kind of restructuring at Paradox and/Colossal Order.

[@dracula3811]

As a console player, I seriously doubt I'll ever be able to get cs2. If they actually do release it, the restrictions on modding means I'll eventually encounter a situation that kills my build. That isn't good.

[@ButtercheeseYay]

The homelessness issues in the game seem quite metaphorical for real live.

[@bachouttapocket]

Having homeless shelters and unhoused resources in the game would be so cool. You'd be able to make a "poorer" neighborhood or town and have those citywide resources centralized in that part. CO should make an expansion pack for this lol

[@Hunters61]

Thanks for mentioning GFORCE Now! It's almost pointless to play CS2 without mods :(

[@Hunters61]

Hopefully NVIDIA and CS2 fixes this

[@brandonunity]

Thank you for mentioning GeForce Players! I was looking forward to a better playing/modding experience when using Paradox Mods. The unfortunate thing is that if it doesn’t work well with GeForce players, it won't work with the console. I also feel like it defeats the purpose for having the game on multi platforms. Anyway, thank you for sharing your honest opinions of the patch while also being rational and understanding the hard work CO has been doing to try to get the game right. Always a pleasure!

[@christophermcguffey2514]

:) Thanks Phil, I always love your perspective and wording.

[@jamieknight326]

Really excited for props :)

[@DoctorSno]

This patch actually saved my city. I was at ~52,000 pop and I had no residential demand, but commercial and office were through the roof for no good reason, especially since unemployment was below 0.1%. When I loaded back in today, some of these commercial buildings were unoccupied, but I finally had residential demand back, and that saved my city

[@CrackedAmoeba24]

I 100% agree with everything u said CO needs to do. Personally, im holding out for Bridges and Piers. I hope we get images or a teaser soon, if it bombs, i think ill be moving on from this game unfortunately.

[@gabrielpontes7595]

Something I wish CS2 had is the visual impact of poor garbage collection and poor road maintenance. We used to have that kind of thing in older games like SimCity 3000. I remember when I lowered the budget for a specific service, people would start a protest in front of the mayor's house. I miss these little things that make the city feel alive.

[@ryanhilderbrand661]

100% on board with this review. Thanks for doing it! Also, a new drinking game could be to drink every time you say "a huge missed opportunity."

[@LittleRedLemon04]

That will set off a few check liver lights 😂

[@Wozzup1223]

The tunnel issue was actually SO bad! I had a small section of a highway tunnel going under some residential and before the patch no matter how deep I put the tunnel, they would complain about noise. Since the patch, that's fixed, so that's at least one good thing they've doen!

[@Aiid4n]

It fixed so much for my city 😊unemployment rate went from 28% wow, to 3% straight away. Definitely would like info on the homelessness and as a okay mechanic it would be great to be expanded upon. PS I explicitly play on GeForceNOW so yes added detailing is huge for me 🎉

[@josephaltman460]

Most of my office towers only have 5 employees! Hope they fixed that bug too!

[@nealjroberts4050]

Did you rebuild them following the Economy update? Office zoning from before has to be reset or it doesn't factor in the background economy calc and processes.

[@oufukubinta]

I stopped playing the game after a month of release because there are no asset mods, and I went back to playing CS1

[@unclemikeyplays]

I guess I'm not TOO disappointed. This is a small, quick "appetizer" patch right after they got back from summer vacation. I feel like it's groundwork that'll take them further. I definitely like that city population churn -- which was absurd before because of the homelessness bug -- is under control now. I haven't had a chance to play yet, but I think this is a step in the right direction, just as the last two patches have been. That said, you're definitely right, there's more to do here!

[@BeachLookingGuy]

This comment sounds so similar to someone talking about a stock they are bag holding and the company is constantly under delivering but they keep coping about everything being so great anyways.

[@Praetorian-Guard]

Can we please habe a modlist from the mods you are using

[@CityPlannerPlays]

I'll get this out today

[@trevsguitarstash4967]

BTW,GREAT new Tool mod, Bucket Surface tool, lets you bucket surfaces into empty spaces, its not perfect, but DAMN its nice to get surfaces going

[@jonatanborowicz]

Yeah no, Ive let the simulation run for hours and I still have no residential demand, tons of homeless people, no empty zoned areas to keep the demand down, no high taxes, and still. I also have several public transport connections to the outside but it still doesnt work. Most of my homeless people dont even try to find any park, they just stand outside their old bulldozed building with no new building to replace it because of no demand. Update!!! _____________ So I deleted all my parks and most of my homeless have begun to wander away to travel out of the city.Finally my residential demand has returned! :)

[@thatmajestictoad]

Another big issue that ghe homeless bug was causing was that since all the homeless would just essentially roam your city it'd completely bog down simulation speed. I had a pop of 70k and the game would not run at all. Installed the BBH mod and now I'm at 150k with no simulation speed issues.

[@sweetplants]

My smallish city have never had many issues with the homeless. But I approve of having decorations in. I play exclusively vanilla and prefer to avoid being dependant on mods. Never know if they suddenly become permanently useless. So that decorations are there in some capacity is a huge improvement.

[@mtlmn1971]

I haven't tested the patch out yet, but I think you hit on something that could be very beneficial to adding to the gameplay, homeless shelters and services. If we could actually see stats for current homelessness in our cities, this would make balancing even more involved for gameplay and running a successful city and regional area. I think CO should reexamine this. I'm going to deep dive into the game this weekend. Take care.

[@jameswakim5863]

Haven't had a chance to look at the patch, didn't even know it came out. Hope it works well. Thanks for covering this topic! Doubt I'll be able to try it in any case since I literally haven't been able to play the game in over 2 month due to random crashes anywhere from starting the game, to loading, to after playing a few minutes (never more than 5). I've tried all the recommendations from validating files, reinstalling, cloning mod playlists, uninstalling all mods, and even viewing game DLL files (not even sure I'm doing that correctly). Only thing I saw in the DLL read was a Unity error for Window 10, while I'm playing on W11, but when I delete my file and validate it downloads the same file. Not sure what else I can do...

[@collintracy7699]

I think it’s really important to realize that when playing this game, it’s still in development. It honestly should still be in early access, and it was definitely released too early. Improvements are bound to be made, and as Phil said, we all need to give suggestions and feedback to the devs. The more voices out there shouting out suggestions, the more likely they are to listen and give us what we want from this game

[@nitwitnik]

with props from the dev menu, you can make them adjust to the landscape by using the smooth terrain tool obv use it at min strength

[@mollieherlocker5918]

I’m a Mac user so I can’t play but I would absolutely love to see them further develop the mechanics for dealing with homelessness. I think it would be a really interesting mechanic, even if it was just like shelters, policies, and statistics views like you said. Basically this government employee wants a government services dlc 🤣

[@corntaco]

sentiment in this video is spot on. cs2 is so cool but just not that fun without some of these critical mod features.

[@CBGBBB]

I still haven’t purchased the game yet. I just waiting for the game standards to be decent enough to make the game worth it.

[@davidwhite3337]

Now I like what CS 2 is doing great with these new mods & assets

[@hexelcolorado6275]

Maybe not directly showing the total homeless population count is intentional because that's a realistic challenge. Cities can only estimate the total number of homeless people in their city, but we don't actually have a way of knowing for sure. Our most direct means of counting homeless population is the annual Point-in-Time (PIT) Count mandated federally by HUD, which, in addition to receiving counts from homeless service providers, such as shelters and hospitals, involves one night of volunteers going out and walking their streets, sidewalks, parks, and alleyways looking for and counting unhoused persons in public. Thus, visual signs of unhoused people in parks and sidewalks really are our only way to know that homelessness exists in our city, and to what degree. All that said, it would be interesting to see a true "homelessness patch" that adds mechanics like shelters, charity from religious institution, rapid re-housing / transitional housing, and food banks. It would also be interesting to impact of homelessness on more than visual appearance on parks, but also on public transit usage, emergency room visits, and police calls.

[@tylerphuoc2653]

One of the few things that open-source AI could actually help with in an ethical fashion, if we had the infrastructure for it. Still, having a friendly human face committed to harm reduction would be integral to the process

[@tylerphuoc2653]

The "charity from religious organization" pillar of society is also so fascinating as a cultural difference between the United States and many countries south of Mexico, where their governments are not nearly as stable or wide-reaching

[@YumiMirah]

there is a mod call cim census that shows homeless pretty accurately imo. you should check it out.

[@infinite562]

Tourism bug was acknowledge but not fixed. So still no tourists, no motels or hotels.

[@FanofHdR]

"Missed opportunities" is the name of the game

[@mvilla9754]

I never KNEW there was a homeless issue.. I guess me having lots of outside connections already built to my 121k city was fixing the issue for me. My unemployment was also at 4.5%. I got two main "cities" (with tall buildings) and 4 smaller satellite villages/small towns. All connected via train and Subways, and two stations connected to outside connections. I did look at my parks, and I only saw two tents in total. Maybe there were more before.. but, not enough for me to notice I guess. I remember some KZbinrs saying to use the demand indicator only as a guide. But, when I began to ignore the demands, my unemployment began to play up. So, I decided to do as the demand indicator told me to do. Just in different settlements/towns. It not only helped, but having multiple population centres help with the traffic.

[@ex3boy91]

Hey, we are back from vacation. Here you have access to props, but you need mods for them anyway. Have fun - that's how I see this patch.

[@PlagueXKill3R]

Thanks for the update!

[@profhobo8681]

The worst part of CS2 is that SO much time after that terrible launch, we are still getting SMALL patches. What the hell, devs?

[@mysterymayhem7020]

Definitely not pulling any punches here and I really appreciate that.

[@miserychickadee]

You're definitely not wrong about prop placement collision, especially since they're not even functional objects for cims to interact with They came up with a neat idea, then immediately implemented it in such a way that prevents the best, most obvious uses of that idea

[@Liyah357]

I stopped playing for a while because of the homelessness patch, but I think I’ll give it a try now that the patch is out just to see what difference it makes.

[@WimsicleStranger]

I’m in a similar boat to you; I used the Bye Bye Homeless mod prior to the patch and the only thing that seemed to have changed was less people moving in, at least at first. My unemployment was already “low” at around 10%, and only dropped a little more down to 6-7%. The thing is- now I have homeless camps in my parks, with the mod enabled I guess we thanos snap them from existence…I’d rather keep it that way as bad as it sounds 😅

[@YumiMirah]

the mod should been auto- disabled though since the patch released...the modder added the function before the patch released.

[@gjj1]

Taxis! When are we going to get a fix for taxis? It feels there are more taxis than people. Same goes for pets.

[@guppo26]

A weird bug I've ran into in my modded city is that I've got clusters of people waiting outside the entrances of multiple residential buildings (mostly high density) that just stand there day and night. Some of them are homeless, so it might have resulted from me demolishing the building before rebuilding. But it's driving me nuts and I'm pretty sure it's tanking my performance. Also, this props feature seems incredibly half-assed. What's the point of the vast majority of props and decals if they cannot be put on existing structures. And like you said, having parking spots, benches etc count as the same interactable props would add practical value to them.

[@larsgustavsson4891]

Hi. I played ~3 hours last night on a city with ~11,000 pop and no mods appart from linetool and better remove tool. After approx 30 min there was a mass exodus of homeless via the no-fee bus to the edge of map. That busline was hardly used before, so it's a plus. But the parks became full of homeless again fairly quick, even though I added some low cost housing. It seems to me that homeless people ONLY move into low cost housing, even if they are wealthy - and that would be a problem.

[@ash36230]

I would've liked the mechanic altered better. That is, low rent housing acts as social housing. Homeless citizens don't just move in to where they go but they'll move into low rent housing first (based on their wealth).

[@adambejarano1592]

I really hope they add homeless shelters in future updates

[@Pandacorps]

nah but tbh, i think its pretty cool in the thumbnail that the graphics are good enough, to how the tent looks like IRL

[@ComCommie]

I think it's pretty funny that you talked about the "homelessness bug" in such a way that I was thinking "yeah, that's how people get to become homeless"

[@markridgway249]

It seems CO really does expect anyone getting this detailed to install mods. If that's the case they should have a list of recommended mods or publish play-sets for specific types of players. With mods integrated into the game it would be easy to do this.

[@EricMesa]

That's a real bummer. I was hoping that the addition of props menu meant the game was becoming less dependent on mods.

[@TheGrimHHH]

It is a bit baffling to me that they added a homelessness feature in the game but there's very little you can do to solve it. Homeless shelters and policies to help those in need sound like a pretty good idea honestly, I hope it's something they take into consideration in the near future.

[@MarcPi]

I really hope CO change their mind with collisions and anarchy and allows a bit of flexibility. Right now I'm a bit confused if I like the detailing patch or not. Homeless patch is ok.

[@almightyIrie]

"it can't be just content creators [speaking up]" - oh it never was only content creators, we always spoke up.. hence some of us went a little cookoo when only content creators been invited for that feedback thing a while ago. We kinda felt like "content creator's feedback must be a lot more important than our feedback".. still speaking up: Gib animations, pls.

[@AaronReed-k7n]

Cities Skylines 2 still has a very long way to go to make the Vanilla game great. Modding is still the best way to play this game.

[@flyguy1237]

It's a bummer that there are still so many issues. I love watching you stream the game but I feel like I won't have fun on my own with all the issues you face. I hope to hear from you one day that unmodded CS2 is worth playing.

[@ElRamaxx]

How can I add the money and population change tooltip to the UI? Please I've been asking for several videos

[@mateuszkunda9400]

At the moment I'm just waiting until (if?) assets can finally be created and some new mods perhaps added to the game. Then, with full variety of custom assets and mods improving general experience, I'll be able to consider buying Cities Skylines 2. For now, I'm staying with CS1.

[@beckyrowe8887]

Ooh, thanks for the update. I'm curious how gameplay will be after this. I'm sure it's a skill issue to some degree, but I haven't been able to build a successful city ever since economy 2.0 came out. It feels like no matter how much I experiment, my cities can't reach consistent profitability.

[@jur6587]

I'll just add a bit of appreciation for them pushing out this patch pretty quick after the summer holidays. The devs are probably less then a month back at work and seem to have really prioritized getting these highly demanded fixes out asap, even though it's not as comprehensive of a patch as the previous ones. I, for one, highly appreciate the balance CO strikes between continuously servicing their product for the fans and letting their employees have holidays and a life in general (not that I can judge that from afar, but it seems a refreshing break from all the horror stories we've heard from the industry recently)

[@Maxamillios]

I like your suggestion of homeless shelters, or homeless city policies. The game devs should adapt to this and add assets that can help with homelessness.

[@Rogue0DK]

Still very interested in this game. Still watch Let's Plays of it (Thx City Planner) still holding off buying it.

[@777gpower]

The noise pollution above tunnels makes sense, for shallow tunnels.

[@Zeakthecat]

Technically a lot of north American cities don't really do enough for homeless people, but they will absolutely move them out. There is exceptions to the rule but it's just one of those things that north American cities do that I often find frustrating. In Europe I hear it's vastly different.

[@davidyakubovich2388]

loaded a prepatch save of 400k pop and only having 110 homeless, let it run untouched for 9 hours while at work and came home to 350k pop with 62k homeless, tons of empty household spots and 30k open jobs and no residential demand. reloaded the save i started with and actually sat and watched it at 3x speed and immediately the homeless number just kept growing and growing. for me post patch it was if it was actively creating homelessness vs solving it as it arose.

[@YumiMirah]

it is really weird ,cause I heard many Including myself (seeing it before my eyes unemployment, crimes dropping.. population growing..) that this patch is working for homeless bug. maybe you are missing some things or have to lower some things..

[@davidyakubovich2388]

@@YumiMirah I have open jobs, housing, and free transportation out of the city. Homeless people should look to resolve their issues based on those factors according to the patch, after 9 hours of letting the game run they just accumulated instead. I would expect a number of homeless in the low thousands and would call that a success with the patch but it balloon over 60k which in no way can be intended.

[@IndianaBones24]

I really hope they don't remove the homeless feature. They need to figure it out. Also, stop letting citizens cross the street when I ban a crosswalk. Infuriating

[@lwood9210]

I really do enjoy the game. Mostly because of the mods. If not for them I probably wouldn't be able to play the game. This patch though, it is just more of what seems to be the same. They act like they are trying to make things good but they only go part way on EVERYTHING. Some modder has to finish every bit of the developers work.

[@WaffleExplainsItAll]

I was pretty vocal on your discord about how bad I think this patch is. I'm actually really happy to see that you have basically the same complaints. All the positivity surrounding this patch is baffling to me. The fix for homelessness is a weird adjustment to how the entire system works instead of simply fixing the bug. It doesn't sound like it makes any sense at all. They didn't really overhaul it, either- it's a complete half-measure. If they want to overhaul this system, fine! It's a bad system! The welfare office isn't even tied to it, makes no sense! But overhaul it. Don't half-ass a half-measure when we've been waiting TWO MONTHS for this to be fixed. The decorator patch itself is, I think, completely insulting. It is content we ALREADY HAVE, that almost every player ALREADY USES, except they did it worse. It has no search bar, it limits the amount of available assets (and by the hundreds, there aer more signs in the game than there are props in the deco patch), and it forces the assets to have the stupid circle around them like trees. It is objectively worse than BOTH existing methods of using props (dev mode and find it). It was a waste of development time. It shouldnt have even been a blip on their radar at this point with how broken and unfinished the entire rest of the game is. They give us nothing for two months and come back with a worse version of content we already had, it makes no sense, and I'm so mad the wait for this fix didn't mean they were actually doing something meaningful. What is the point of making props vanilla if you still require mods to use them with any fidelity?

[@Dar1usz]

Because they can.

[@SuperExtremeTNT]

Please make video if/when a procedural objects comes out, you kind of really need it for a full custom city