Does the NFL Have A QB Development Problem?

[@Doc_Cocked_Glock]

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[@Backseatsman1]

For those interested. Nick Saban went before a congressional panel and talked about how NIL and Transfer Portal has greatly affected the development of players. He went on to talk about how the introduction of NIL played a significant part in why he decided to retire from coaching.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Law of Unintended Consequences is one helluva thing

[@darter9000]

Basically Nick Saban told Congress that only coaches should be paid anything in college sports.

[@burns4246]

Saban retired cus now that the rest of the country can pay players, he lost the mass edge he had

[@Bilal_Aslam_]

Can’t make fun of Perna for being late because Drew Lynch waited until the very last seconds of the show to reply 😂

[@scottmiller7655]

College football has a quarterback development problem

[@EagleFly360]

I agree lmaooo just like college doesn’t help in the workforce whatsoever it’s just the same with college football

[@JJ-zr6fu]

Not true college football is able to take high schooler and turn them into good players. It’s the nil that has trouble doing the same

[@scottmiller7655]

@JJ-zr6fu they develop skill wise, but they don't learn the game. They hardly hudle anymore. Everyone just goes to the line and then looks to the sideline for the play call. Quarterback aren't learning to read defense or when or how to call audibles. It's just going through the motions. The other problem is that most of the best quarterbacks in college thrive on running the ball when the play breaks down, but that usually doesn't translate to the NFL for too long, because everyone on the field is just as fast.

[@K1ngchadwick]

College football doesn’t build programs anymore

[@scottmiller7655]

@@K1ngchadwick not with the stupid portal now and all the money.

[@mentalcow]

IMO is a biproduct of modern day, people do not have the patience or attention span to wait so people do not sit anymore Teams also do not draft qbs until they NEED them so they often get thrown to the wolves. QBs also are mostly all expected to have some level of duality to their game now so they play that way in college and look amazing then come to the NFL and look awful now that everyone is bigger stronger and faster. College doesnt test them enough anymore and since the way they play works well down there they have no reason to adapt or adjust since that could impact their wallet or draft chance. IMO a great example of what it should be is Purdy, and granted that was an accident and forced to happen but he was drafted and was basically just a pocket passer. He sat until he was forced to play and in the time since he has had to play he has developed with a bit more running in his arsenal, now he also has gotten a bit more reckless with the ball but the idea still stands, let them come in sit and learn and develop new skills at this level. Teams hunting for the next Lamar, Allen, or Mahomes and then throwing them in like life preservers to save the drowning team is killing these guys confidence and ruining them way before they should be ruined.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Mahomes sat at first, the Chiefs gave him a year to develop by watching and learning. Lamar was phased into a starting role. Josh Allen was seen as a long term project from the time he was drafted, which helped the Bills from losing faith. Teams just want the success without examining the process, they’re mindlessly trend-chasing.

[@bmdo6870]

everyone’s to blame. fans are less patient. owners are less patient. this isn’t a new issue. QBs like kyle boller, jason campbell, david carr were given years to determine if they were busts or not. coaches used to get 2-3 years to turn a team around. now most are given months-2 years.

[@jcore0981]

I'd say it's a qb scouting problem. There is no reason a guy like Anthony Richardson, who started 13 games in college and had a 53 percent completion rating, should have been taken number 4 overall. He was at best, okay in college. And yet the Colts thought they could instantly plug him in and win a ton of games. Ridiculous.

[@warlordofbritannia]

His skillset screams raw. I have no idea how anyone thought he would be ready to start Week 1.

[@RadishDoctor]

Seeing the stats behind Bryce Young gave me an aneurysm. Dude was completing at like 36%

[@theocjr.43]

This is the same nfl that went crazy for JaMarcus Russell's sugar bowl performance, but casually forgot about the plethora of tape from all his other games where he was hot garbage.

[@tkdmanbb185]

What? Where did you read or see that the Colts thought they could plug him in and win games instantly? Everyone knew coming out he was gonna be a project at best.

[@jcore0981]

@@tkdmanbb185 Where did I see that? Oh, idk the fact he was the instant starter in 2023 and 2024.

[@robnewsome2407]

Yes, there is a QB development problem. They used to let these QBs develop before starting them and now they are expected to develop under fire. Thats why i thought the Falcons drafting Penix was a smart move while everyone else thought it was a joke. Cousins has a year ir two before he drops off like AR is so get your future franchise QB ready. Its not like they are going to get another too 10 pick soon

[@RadishDoctor]

Exactly, I saw that draft as a Rodgers/Love situation and even Tom was upset about that way back when.

[@brendonbuffaloe8830]

@@RadishDoctor the difference is that love fell to a spot in the draft where he should never have. His talent was too great for the Packers to pass on at that spot. Penix drafted in the top 10 when the team is gearing up for a Super Bowl run

[@chrissolar2543]

@@brendonbuffaloe8830actually the difference is that the Packers would have definitely won a superbowl if they had drafted Justin Jefferson or Patrick Queen. There was no player available the Falcons could have drafted to make them a true Super Bowl contender

[@brendonbuffaloe8830]

@@chrissolar2543 Jared Verse and Byron Murphy

[@brendonbuffaloe8830]

@@chrissolar2543 They would’ve won the Super Bowl that year anyway if the refs didn’t ensure Brady won the NFC Championship

[@LucareonVee]

29:10 I ran into a friend of mine over the weekend who I know from playing Pokemon Go. He’s in his 80’s. Perna, you’re never too old. 😎

[@twoswords5524]

31:22 is just comedy gold and broke Tom😂😂

[@blakejohnson4713]

Ive been listening to this 'cast for awhile now, probably over a year, and I JUST realized during this episode that you're NOT talking about the Craig T Nelson 80s/90s sitcom "Coach". I kept thinking to myself "Ive never heard anyone recommend that show, especically the 2nd season" and I live in Minnesota, where the show took place. Who the hell else watched it besides us when there was only 4 channels?

[@theocjr.43]

What was the one that was like Cheers, but at that airport. Was it Northen Lights? Northern exposure? I can't remember

[@nellgwenn]

@@theocjr.43 Northern Exposure was about a town in Alaska. Centered around a doctor and quirky characters. Wings took place at a small airport. Two brothers that owned a small charter airline.

[@zweisamkeit]

Love listening to these while I work. You guys are hilarious. My only suggestion is perhaps reading out the questions/comments that you are responding to. I have my phone in my pocket while listening so I don’t know what you’re replying to. I know it might make the flow awkward so I understand if you don’t. Just a suggestion!

[@Nick1994H]

Kurt Warner spoke on this. Its a problem with College Football, not the NFL. With the development and revolution of the qb position youre getting more and more younger, better, athletes as qb. Theyre trying to get the best athletes on the field as fast as possible which has led to a simplification of the College Game. Making it extremely hard for someone to make a smooth transition to the NFL

[@JJ-zr6fu]

College football adjusts its scheme to the players the nfl doesn’t

[@Nick1994H]

@JJ-zr6fu huh? The Ravens don't have a run heavy team with their personnel and scheme?

[@ChewsCarefully]

Then that would be colleges adapting to an NFL demand. I know what's wrong with it all though. It's a little harder to explain. If you built a car for an 8-year-old you wouldn't also have granted them the ability to not be overwhelmed by having to check the mirrors, for traffic, pedestrians, hover their foot over the brake before making a left turn etc. When a mind is overwhelmed, it doesn't adjust: it shuts down. You want to curl up into the fetal position & just weep. But when pressured to say they're ready, a person will say it. Peyton Manning is probably the best example of this. Around week 11 of his rookie year he stops playing like Zach Wilson did. The switch in his mind flipped & he became able to shut out the Fight or Flight urge to fling the ball away to avoid a sack long enough to complete passes. The thing is he didn't "think himself out" of this habit. That ability to ignore the overwhelming urge to avoid the immediate danger comes in when it comes in. & until it does, you don't know what that is. I think that getting hurt made it That Much Harder for AR5 to ignore his & now it looks like he's at that point where he's almost there, has overcome this urge before, but now the urge is stronger, so when he tries, his mind resists harder. The Problem May Be that NFL coaches _expect_ QBs to come out of college prepackaged fully equipped but more in a sense of that they expect them to be Fully Programmed. KOC spoke about this. I don't think he _fully_ gets it but only realizes that some of what they're taught in college doesn't apply to the NFL & the QBs need to be made aware of this & most coaches don't ease them into it. Caleb isn't being eased into it, but neither does it seem like Daniels is. So everything I said here is 'General' & one needs to look out for the specifics with anyone. A bad tendency of humans is to try & make everyone fit the same mold to make it easier on our own brains. Life don't work that way.

[@Nick1994H]

@ChewsCarefully I'm not reading all that but I'm happy for ya or sorry that happened

[@theocjr.43]

​@@Nick1994Hnot trying to single you out or anything but too long didn't read is kind of the same parallel when it comes to teams and instant gratification. Instead of taking the time to learn, apply, take a test, adjust and improve, it's all about the right here and right now. Not trying to attack you, just showing the similarities in behavior

[@gageedmondson9017]

0:00 ik he was singing to Perna for yesterday but it being my actual birthday today made my day

[@nickmoore9226]

The number of times Tom re-enacted was priceless.

[@j8n305]

Definitely relate to Perna not feeling like a grown ass adult yet - I’m the same age as Travis Kelce and Gronk - and yet I feel like I stopped aging during the pandemic 😅

[@sokar813]

NFL has a coach firing problem. Saints fan looking at the saints. Hmm haven't seen it yet. But yes, there is a problem sometimes of judging a QB without them having resources. Not near the calibur as some of the ones talking, but no one should judge Spencer Rattler on his first few starts with the Saints. He had virtually nothing to work with. He is no Carr yet, or anything like some of these other QBs, but its not fair to judge in a scenario like that.

[@StuartSwartz]

A problem that Green Bay seems immune to. A credit to the philosophy and skill of the goat Tom Clements. Go Pack Go!

[@flybirdsfly2091]

Another great stream tom💥🔥🏈🔥💥👏👍

[@brianhukee9978]

Lions birthday song. Love it.

[@Yosser70]

Could it be more of a scouting problem? I mean, Purdy went last but is well on the way to being elite, so why was he missed, are they looking for the wrong things 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Adam-er5mk]

Purdy wasn't on a particularly good team in college and didn't wow with his stats or highlights. There's tons of college qbs like him, that's why he went last.

[@Adam-er5mk]

Of course I don't think many of all of those other qbs could play at Purdys level in the NFL, which is the other reason he went late, he looked like all those other guys who wouldn't be able to play.

[@JJ-zr6fu]

@Adam-er5mk that laughable because the 49ers took Trey Lance who had the same issues

[@Yosser70]

@ Yeah, I get that. Doesn’t that mean the scouts are concentrating on the wrong figures? I’m thinking along the lines of Money Ball, baseball scouts were doing it wrong for decades. Now I know BBall is more stat driven than football, so probably harder to do but there must be a way to dig deeper. Drafting QB’s seems to be a crap shoot but it often seems to be the later picks that turn out better.

[@Adam-er5mk]

@Yosser70 yeah it's much easier to use numbers to isolate process and results in baseball. The reason it's so hard to scout is that you'll never know how someone will play in the NFL until you see them play there.

[@michaeltriola3978]

Diontae Johnson would be a great WR if he ran forward instead of sideways on routes. On the Pat Mcafee show, they really gave Pat a multiple choice, asking who said "I'm not gonna lie I was tired." A.) Pheidippides B.) Marcus Lutrell C.) Mike McCarthy D.) Anthony Richardson

[@masterofmagic99]

To me this just reaffirms the NFLs need for a developmental league.

[@Remagnikufesin]

My birthday was yesterday so this was great.

[@frippertonics6421]

QBs who are draft-worthy are usually only at a college for a season or two. They essentially become system quarterbacks; while they look great within that system, that system doesn’t always translate to the pro game. It seems like back in the day, a QB had four years to “mature” into what might be considered a well-rounded NFL-ready player. Drafting a QB seems like it’s more of a crapshoot these days. QBs whose college skills who can successfully transition to the NFL are harder to find.

[@chaosgreyblood]

I feel that the development of NFL QBs can be a crapshoot nowadays. You look at how some QBs were able to grow into All-Pros (Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, Herbert, for example), guys that got a 2nd lease on their career (Mayfield, Geno, Darnold, Goff), up-and-comers with great potential (Love and Stroud) and the young guns that are already showing good flashes of skill (Williams and Daniels). It all comes down to the organization and the coaching staff to make sure everything goes right with the development of their QBs and build up the teams around then.

[@alekismith5291]

Perna and I have the same birthday, happy birthday 🎉

[@darter9000]

Bad teams are given a top pick and they show why they’re bad and remain bad by how they handle their picks. It just seems like bad teams have a QB development problem (at least worse than other teams at least).

[@karlvanbeckum9029]

That Aaron Rodgers joke. *chef's kiss

[@Ercomann]

Richardson can’t play like an NFL quarterback, and he’s not particularly close. I think watching Flacco from the sideline some more will be good for him.

[@alexppape]

Ravens fan reaction to Diontae trade-that‘s great, can he play defense?!?!?! Oh God, I miss Mike McDonald.

[@JClaus1221]

They have an overdrafting prospects problem. Most times a reach or a late comer is going to be bad. Too many examples to choose from.

[@MeditativeHandle]

"it was yesterday" being whispered reminds me of those lyrics "they're trying to build a prison"

[@JJ-zr6fu]

The nfl has a qb evaluation problem. Idk how you can look at Richardson and say he’s a top 5 pick. Trey Lance played one season of d3 football and his take was him out running d3 athletes and throwing to wide open guys. Josh Rosen absolutely sucked his last year of college.

[@DrKarmicKnight]

Betteridge's law of headlines applies to this video title.

[@runawaymakefriendswiththem8905]

if it makes you feel any better Perna, you’re my father figure 🙂

[@baconmumblesbaconcrunched181]

Whats with the no clickbait? Maybe we could get a night cap on sundays instead? Thanks for the endless entertainment lads

[@kos7731]

Richardson looks like he can't play. Like, at all.

[@drystofiscalio7545]

The crazy part is that I know some guys who treat AR the same way most Bears fans treated Fields pre-Williams claiming he still needs more playing time, but he's just making the rest of the locker room upset.

[@JJ-zr6fu]

The crazy thing is he looked like that in college and the nfl ate it up

[@ChewsCarefully]

@@drystofiscalio7545 I can't think of a single narrative about Fields that isn't 100% false. even now on the Steelers, people are creating a (false) narrative around Russ' limited success. "He brings the deep ball to the Steelers." How/why? "He threw a few deep balls even ones called back for penalties." Oh? Didn't Fields do that before Arthur Smith reduced the amount of snaps Pickens played & then sent him on routes he told Fields not to target Pickens on? Weeks 2-3 Fields threw *_several_* highlight reel passes to Pickens (that got cancelled by penalties) then Smith decided he didn't want Fields throwing long, ever. So he's getting blamed (again) for decisions made by his play-callers. Smith put Pickens on *all* the snaps & allowed Russ to throw to him. He under-threw passes that went for catches & people got excited. & while it doesn't mean Russ stinks (he needed to shake off the cobwebs) why does the narrative not include pertinent facts? Why does it need to suggest Fields lacks something?

[@drystofiscalio7545]

@@ChewsCarefully I'm not even a Steelers fan, I wasn't even talking about him currently, I meant when Fields was on the Bears and how people talked about him. I'm only interested in the Colts and AR because I'm from Indiana. I just have friends who are big Colts fans who adore AR and I don't see it, I just know I heard a lot of people talk the hell outta Justin until they dumped him for a new shiny toy.

[@drystofiscalio7545]

@@ChewsCarefully I actually am rooting for Fields's success in Pittsburgh myself, I never said anything bad, just that there is a ton of hype in a situation there shouldn't be, Justin didn't have the help in Chicago and does now, and I'm happy for him.

[@brocksells197]

I honestly think it's because of college. Super easy to take off when the play breaks down and do random crap. Think guys like Manziel. That doesn't work nearly as well in the NFL unless you're either fast as shit (Lamar) or a tank (Allen). More and more college QBs are like this, and it doesn't work for them when everyone is fast

[@utmastuh]

Everyone knew in the draft that AR was not intended to be a day 1 starter. He was athletic and had good tools but wasn't QB starter ready yet. Colts are fools for forcing him into the league so early. QB's like that need to sit a 2-3 years and learn the league and position

[@JimBates-bt5se]

Watching these front offices just absolutely ruin young qb's has got to be the most interesting thing in football right now. IDC what anyone says, they are constantly using Richardson for power runs, then get confused when he is hurt? Then get confused when he is out of breath, after an OBLIQUE injury. There is no shot these people are real lol...

[@kcnoise]

It’s just the Donks that have this problem.

[@1Pride2025]

Not if you’re the Lions we’re usually done after 3 quarters so Hooker gets live game reps jk…kinda😂😂 OnePride baby !!

[@Rickristian]

Jets could hire this qb....

[@chrissimmons9743]

5:02 Perna: Sid: This whole Ice Age thing is getting old, you know what i could go for :::Million Dollar Idea hand motion::: Global Warming.

[@AlexGrossmeier]

Why are all good QBs in the AFC

[@RadishDoctor]

The NFL has a budgeting problem; the QB non-Development is purely a victim of it

[@jamesp57867]

Happy birthday BP! Welcome to always sitting down to pee, just in case.

[@baconmumblesbaconcrunched181]

Remember big ben fell off a cliff. Arm strength was lost when he stopped boppin

[@kurtwicklund8901]

The NFL has a quarterback development problem only if you believe anyone can be taken off the street and made to play quarterback just with a little bit of training. Otherwise one must conclude is one concluded every other year in the NFL existed, that some people just can't play quarterback at the NFL level and will fail eventually should they try. But it's Sports so everything has to be made bigger worse etc etc etc exaggerated Beyond any sense of reality.

[@BlueOpinion]

Need to quit offering guaranteed money until they guarantee to play with heart and a fire under their Ass or they can be replaced by a Walmart stock boy.