Does the Rebel Alliance even make sense?

We take a look at the Rebel Alliance and their true plan to win the Galactic Civil War. That and more on today's Star Wars lore video!
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[@Fredlyy]

The background gameplay being Marvel Rivals due to the sheer lack of Star Wars games out right now is so real

[@DarkestKnightshade]

People don't realize the ones we have are still alive. We organize large 20v20 events for bf 2 often, Galactic Contention mod for Squad gets lots of players. Eck especially might like the 5mans community, I know he loves ships and squadrons and they play the game every week; a lot of them are working adults with family like eck

[@BierBart12]

@@DarkestKnightshade Made me check. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Empire at War still has thousands of daily players, but not so much that the OG 2005 Battlefront 2 peaks at around 300 players daily. I guess its community didn't hold up as well, but at least it's not completely dead

[@DarkestKnightshade]

@@BierBart12 I meant 2017. But bf 2005 does have some servers up, the star wars gaming order discord runs one

[@caesarspeaks]

Star Wars Outlaws came out in September

[@nickkohlmann]

​@@caesarspeaksFair, they forgot to add "good"

[@watcherzero5256]

My understanding was the Rebel Alliance endgame was to drain the Empire with guerrilla attacks forcing it to send more and more forces into the Outer Rim and then to stage a popular uprising on Coruscant as whoever controlled Coruscant controlled the galaxy. You can see that play out in the post ROTJ books with the Riots in Monument Plaza and their brutal suppression in 4 ABY leading to a year long popular uprising with the Rebels trying to enforce a blockade on Imperial reinforcements, the other Moffs gradually withdrew Imperial support (supplies and ground troop reinforcements) that ran the Rebel interdiction over the course of the year as they instead sought to reinforce their own personal holdings as they increasingly saw the planets fall as inevitable.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

Right, like the Afghan Mujahideen fighting The Soviet army. They did not really need to “win” just whittle down the resolve and resources of the Soviet leadership over a long period of time, until the Soviet Union had no choice but to stop fighting. I also think the Rebel Alliance had the aim of stirring up more discontent in the galaxy, which would grow the rebellion. “The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers” Princess Leia.

[@JAy-dx1xb]

If only we could have seen that in movies

[@grayflaneur4854]

Hmmm... maybe that's how the American Empire goes..

[@Darth_Xionn]

​@@grayflaneur4854That'll never happen right now

[@filipzietek5146]

Coruscant is useless and meaningless. Does Coruscant feed the galaxy? Are there major shipyards on Coruscant? Are there any natural resources left on Coruscant?

[@StarryDrukhari]

I'd imagine that the Rebel Alliance hoped to both bleed and starve the Empire into collapsing under its own weight. Each world that revolted would be one less contributing resources to the Empire's supply chain. Meanwhile, the rebels could launch strikes against vulnerable Imperial freighters to cause even more supply shortages and further hasten the Empire's collapse.

[@CitizenJWord]

Yes, an insurgency.

[@user-bl7em8sx6o]

And then the government or power they create will be no different than the empire. The only difference is that they'll just be weaker due to having start a new civilization. So it's just an endless loop

[@meganoob12]

yep, that was the plan. The destruction of the first death star was actually not part of the plan. They were forced to make a last stand by the empire, which led to this decisive battle that is contrary to the rebel‘s doctrine.

[@miniverse2002]

It'd be interesting to see the Empire lose this way instead of the decapitation that happened. It doesn't matter how much force power you have, two people does not make an empire. Palps and Vader either make a last stand or flee.

[@StarryDrukhari]

@@miniverse2002 I'd argue that they were already losing that way since the end of ANH. We just didn't get to see the war in the core between the Empire and all the wealthy and powerful worlds that revolted in the wake of the Death Star's destruction at Yavin. Without a second Death Star to stop the bleeding, the Empire was already doomed.

[@Meanlucario]

I feel like having a super weapon which only purpose is to destroy planets is a pretty good reason for systems to rebel, since you can't justify something like that.

[@StarryDrukhari]

Especially after that superweapon gets unexpectedly destroyed, leaving the Empire vulnerable against the worlds that they just tried to terrorize with it.

[@robotmonkeys]

Look. Alderaan was no angel. They shouldn't have rebelled, but rather worked within the system. Palpatine was tough but fair. #supportOurTroops #thinWhiteLine

[@ShadowdaleA]

Just more rebel propaganda that was a deep space mining station.

[@Juliusiezure]

Ok but in the original trilogy the Empire did nothing wrong besides Moff Tarkin destroying one rebel planet with a small population

[@leonardoespino9780]

Yes and no. The whole purpose of the Death Star was to basically hold the galaxy hostage. There wasn’t mass dissent to justify the destruction of Alderaan but enough to indeed build the station. The destruction of Alderaan was to serve as a message to the rest of the galaxy and to destroy indeed the seeds of the rebellion. The rebellion early on (and showed by andor) was mainly a rebellion made up from the political class who did not felt that their views were represented and by those somehow wronged by the empire. The Death Star simply served as the symbol of imperial tyranny but one that wasn’t built in a void… after the mess that occurred 30 years LATER, I still say I’m pro imperial than anti one as the new republic just didn’t learned and let another empire rise under their noses

[@lanceyoung9955]

I assume it was death by a thousand cuts strategy, while keeping a fleet in being for any big opportunities. From their perspective, the Emperor is already an old man, they have to figure they just need to wait him out a few more years, then take advantage of the chaos.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Historically speaking, successful guerrilla operations combine the classic irregular pattern with conventional forces-if the enemy concentrates against the guerrillas, then they will break up their forces in doing so and thus open themselves to defeat in detail by regulars. Conversely, if they concentrate on that conventional threat the guerrillas are given free rein.

[@raybarry4307]

That strategy works if you have a government responsible to the voters. With an evil space wizard that Literally could not care less if either millions of troopers die or what the hell the ppl think, well, not so much.

[@williamflowers9435]

I don’t think the galaxy knew Palps was a Sith. I don’t think they expected the Empire to crumble without him, assuming one of the Moffs would just take his place. I agree with your larger point though.

[@JoeNasr123]

What doesn't make sense is the Disney trilogy calling it "The Resistance." You aren't a resistance group if your team is in charge of the government, the First Order was the resistance!

[@Kaboosu-q1o]

appently the reason is because the "New Republic" is pacifist and has no army

[@serteshsardrakal2272]

Would've made more sense if the first order somehow subverted the new republic. It wouldn't fix most of the problem's but it would make the resistance well a actual resistance. But no matter how you view it the original plotline was bad to begin with. You can polish a turd but it's still a turd

[@jerdasaurusrex557]

The Resistance was a rogue group. It's disavowed by the New Republic and it operates outside of New Republic territory. It's resistance within First Order territory, the unknown regions.

[@Interitus1]

@@jerdasaurusrex557 Not at all. you resist the government. The First Order was not a government. It makes no sense and literally the only reason for the name was to make it EVEN CLOSER to Episode 4. They could have been a private military group not affiliated at all with the New Republic. But the name implies they are against the established governemnt and has never made sense.

[@hungchoonghow5857]

Precisely. Disney can't write anything.

[@justcallmeSheriff]

Got here within 30 seconds of this being uploaded. It would be pretty cool if we got a series focused on the aftermath of Yavin and the chaos it caused in the Imperial Court. It could show the rise of Akbar to leadership of the Rebellion, Vader's Death Squadron bumbling the assault on Yavin, Thrawn's plan to terrorize the shadowports of the Western Reaches, and end with the scene of a Star Destroyer releasing probe droids into the Hoth System

[@finzard887]

That would be awesome but if I’m not mistaken, doesn’t the finale of rebels happen before episode 1 even begins and it would therefore be kinda impossible for thrawn to be doing stuff in the galaxy?

[@QueenMooSuko]

@finzard887 If we're being brutally honest, thrawn's inclusion in Rebels was the makers of Clone Wars just trying to get that fan favorite character out of the 'legacy' dumpster that disney setup upon acquiring the IP. Him being involved in hunting rebels or Jedi, or having any kind of notoriety beyond Palpatine's inner circle, was just completely out of place, and then they attached him to another fan favorite character as the villain for Ahsoka. This thrawn is just a cash grab ploy :( Disney will find a way to throw him into anything, whether it makes sense or not.

[@lordmarshall5239]

Standing in open fields in formation against red coats, sheer madness

[@SgtHawk45]

I see I wasn't the only one who thought that. Facing a professional disciplined and experienced military head on? The doctrine that worked was Native American tactics, ambush, hit them hard, fast, and flee. Killing just one enemy is a victory so long as you live. Shoot and flee. I think when Lexington and Concord happened, the militias did just that. They attacked the British as they pulled back to the coast. All along the way they were ambushed by militia. But then the US took them on head on, and in those confrontations, the British forces won almost all the time. Seldom did that work out. Best to take them on in guerilla tactics, which at the time wasn't exactly commonplace. But it's the smart way to fight a stronger adversary. In space, having fast moving hard hitting ships like torpedo boats would work out against enemy capital ships. The rebellion could have done this against the empire to great success. The empire was built for big ship to ship engagements, not small hit and run tactics. Torpedoes and missiles are the way to go. Just fire volleys and flee. Or using small elite starfighters to take out lone imperial warships, though, if someone like Thrawn is around, then a lone imperial warship may have one skeptical especially if it's fighters are not deployed. Granted incompetence exists, but it could be bait as Thrawn could use such to test the rebel commander. If they fall for the bait, a ship could jump in and lockdown the hyperdrives and then the rest of the imperial fleet drops in and that's the end of that. I may be putting too much thought into it. After all, the empire had mostly incompetent officers whom prized decisive battle and often didn't really fight properly. And were put into stunned shock when things don't go their way. Thrawn's another problem to tackle separately. The average Imperial fleet would be vulnerable to hit and run tactics.

[@warlordofbritannia]

That’s a common misconception. The most successful operations of the American Revolution-thinking mainly here of Greene in the Carolinas- *combined* regular and irregular forces, forcing the enemy to choose which to focus on. When they tried forcing a set piece battle, the irregulars were free to run havoc; when they dispersed their forces to deal with the irregulars, they exposed these detachments to defeat and capture by the regulars.

[@Deltarious]

The Rebel Alliance is one of the better writen concepts in all of Star Wars and it is not exactly surprising given the real life inspirations for them. Real life rebellions tend to follow sets of distinct phases that can vary somewhat based on ideologies, but there is almost always the phase where you are in cells, and then a big moment of transition where you are openly 'the rebels' now that you've turned a corner with sparking major civil unrest such that it turns into a full blown civil war. In real life *the vast majority* of civil wars end in military victories because if you do the 'game theory' on them that is basically the only option because it is not possible to put the processes in place for verifiable trust to exist without external help so there can be no negotiated lasting peace and there is 'no way down' from the violence as both sides have huge incentives to punish the others if they win. You could actually say that the battle of Yavin was *the* moment where the Rebellion 'turned the corner' and really *became* "The Rebel Alliance" as opposed to just a group of affiliated rebels, that's really what kicked off the 'open warfare' part of the civil war in truth, or at least logically it should have been. There always would have had to have been a military confrontation realistically speaking- for this type of conflict it's actually geninely the logical outcome. Having said that such a confontation *can* end in mass surrenders and disarmament resulting in a rapid nearly unopposed advance and a toppling, usually fleeing, leadership if they've played the 'hearts and minds' game well enough, and we saw such a case recently IRL too. That's one of the other reasons I like Star Wars so much- it's obvious the Rebels are the good guys objectively so we can really embrace their cause and feel no issues calling them 'rebels', it's rarely so cut and dry in reality and indeed making that difficult to tell is often part of the strategy for the ruling power too

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

Wdym? The terrorist alliance led by religious Jedi extremists attacked the peaceful and democratic Galactic empire.

[@simontmn]

@@allthenewsordeath5772 Peaceful & Monarchic.

[@meganoob12]

But one thing about real life insurgencies is that they only tend to work for a while. Most rebel groups follow the steps you outlined, but an one point they become too big and infighting starts because by nature these groups are nit homogenous. They are usually a „the enemy of my enemy us my friend“ type of alliance. In the real world the rebel alliance would likely break apart and start another civil war immediately after the battle of Endor.

[@simontmn]

@@meganoob12 Yes. They do win about 40% of the time though.

[@gavinsmith9871]

@@meganoob12 The Entropy of Victory is a bitch, isn't it.

[@jhon6378]

What if instead of making sense, the Rebel Alliance entrusted a random farmer boy from Tatooine to fly an X Wing and destroy the Death Star, one of the greatest superweapons in the galaxy EDIT: for the last time - THIS IS A GOD DAMN JOKE. LAUGH AND MOVE ON. I DON'T NEED A LORE LECTURE.

[@Nightwizard63]

Nah that wouldn't ever happen

[@Black-White-BW1]

?

[@jhon6378]

@@Black-White-BW1 it's a joke

[@MrNobody425]

Only if he used to tag womp rats in Begger’s Canyon and was guided by a ghost, but that doesn’t seem statistically likely.

[@jtjames79]

I've studied American history. Every time someone touches our boats, some farm boy becomes a main character. 🤷‍♂️ The lesson is; don't touch our boats!

[@vibeyveltal]

#AskEck How do security cameras work in Star Wars? We’ve seen plenty of instances when they’ve been used in both canon and legends, yet heroes are often in situations like imperial bases (even the Death Star) where they lack any detection when cameras would be a logical necessary security measure.

[@dennisthefivestarman8177]

A saying is that there’s just so many that they ignore them, alternatively plot armor

[@shcdemolisher]

If anything we need a show that does show what stuff would have gone if realism was applied to the fantasy of Star Wars. Smarter tactics, actual security reactions, proper enemy armor and other things. It may sound boring but I feel it would be a cathartic experience. Especially when you have that usual ‘billion-to-one shot’ trope finally get mocked for how bullshit it can get at times.

[@captain_hammer]

​@@shcdemolisherAndor?

[@error5202]

*cuts to the snoring stormtrooper in the security room*

[@cass7448]

@@shcdemolisher Andor exists.

[@roguerifter9724]

The Rebel Alliance sourcebook makes it clear that luring Palpatine out so he could be eliminated was the primary objective of the Alliance's war efforts. They were aiming to create problems bad enough that Palpatine would have to leave Coruscant to deal with the crisis personally at which point the rebels would throw everything they had at him. And while the main fleet wasn't engaging the Empire directly they were always sending out small task forces to hit vulnerable targets and gain combat experience. Basically the strategy the New Republic used against the Vong in Destiny's Way was Ackbar reinstating the fleet doctrine of the Rebel Alliance. Avoid major battles but keep launching constant smaller battles and raids to weaken the enemy and get the fleet's crews the experience needed for when the big battles came.

[@sweetblue44]

I loved the lore in the DOS game X-Wing strategy guide “The Farlander Papers” which continued the story of the player character. It spoke of Mon Mothma going to planets sowing the seeds of rebellion and showing the locals they can win. Fantastic memories.

[@Okada_Caelun]

I will argue one counterpoint, that being if the second Death Star had been completed the the Rebellion would have been crushed. The first Death Star was only destroyed by a one-in-million strategy which the Empire discovered and would have solved (an Imperial officer even tells Tarkin that he figured out the Rebel's strategy and asks if they should start an evacuation). The second Death Star was only really destroyed because it was still under construction (and I imagine the hole the rebels flew through was deliberately left there by Palpatine to further bait the trap, since it would have been inaccessible with the shields up.) The Death Star would have been unassailable. Destroying it would require a fleet so massive, and incur such devastating casualties, that such an attempt would be logistically impossible... and that's not even accounting for any Star Destroyers that might be escorting the battle station. The entire galaxy would thus be forced to accept a reality that stepping out of Imperial line might bring forth the Emperor's Judgement. The Rebellion would lose significant support, being forced to rely on corrupt black-market dealers to resupply at all. This isn't even considering how Endor itself would have obliterated the Rebellion's fighting strength. With the fear of an operational Death Star patrolling the galaxy combined with the reward of assassinating the Emperor in the same motion, there is no way the Rebels wouldn't over-commit to the assault. However, if not for the assistance of the Ewoks (a variable so unlikely as to have not been worth considering, since it required bringing a Gold-plated protocol droid on a tactical-sabotage mission) the trap would have been sprung flawlessly. The Rebel fleet would have been torn to shreds, it's best pilots, soldiers, and leadership killed or captured, and the few ships that managed to escape would only serve to emphasize how utterly defeated the Rebellion was as they limped away to safety.

[@anvos658]

The proper way to deal with either Death Stars isn't it treat it like a super dreadnaught or space station, to destroy in a space battle, but to treat it like a hybrid of a planetary invasion/boarding action, where you win the orbital battle around it, and then start besieging/boarding it. The thing's primary weapon may be capable of glassing capital ships and planets but the thing is still so big that unless the enemy can surround you in all directions you can just keep moving your fleet to the areas of the Death Stars outside their firing arc. Sure the thing can theoretically jump to hyperspace, but doing that amidst a fleet risks crippling the Death Star to escape.

[@samueldimmock694]

@@anvos658 Either that or get a rebel cell on the Death Star and sabotage some crucial system so it goes boom.

[@manticorephoenix]

I still want more ground battles for the Galactic Civil War in games, I seriously can’t be the only one that wants that

[@sennescholten7278]

There was the mobile game star wars commander but the game server was shut down back in 2015. The game had a story that you could join either the rebels or the empire. This game was what brought the phase 2 dark trooper to canon.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Trust me, I’ve been waiting for one. I’m kinda hoping Andor leads to the inspiration of a game where you’re controlling a rebel cell that can launch guerrilla strikes against imperial targets: officers, depots, convoys, radar stations. That would be my ideal game.

[@Lilx10do]

7:33 I feel like if the weapon existed and the galaxy knew of it, planets would be shy to rebel outright. They may silently contribute way more to the rebellion though. As long as the empire has the power to instantly end your civilization idk lol.

[@williampomplun5618]

The empire had the power to do that without the deathstar. There is a fleet maneuver in universe, called Base Delta Zero by the imperials but it's been a thing since the old republic, where one or more capital class ships park themselves in orbit over a planet and then just absolutely hammer it with their turbolasers. The planet rotates below them as they do this, so that after one of whatever that planet's day cycle is, the whole surface is glass. They never needed the deathstar, it was always an overpriced, overblown wonder-weapon. It's only useful functions were stroking Palpatine's ego, making naval construction contractors stupid rich, and being a big, scary super weapon that'll frighten anyone who doesn't understand it doesn't actually do anything useful at all. Granted, a lot of the galactic population may not be very tech/naval history savvy, so it might work well as a weapon of terror, but I somehow doubt that justifies the expense. They could have spent the money and resources on a hundred new star destroyers, and it would have been a better investment in every way except making Palp's peen hard.

[@Lilx10do]

@ @williampomplun5618 1) lol at the end comment 2) Death Star shouldn’t have been able to been defeated fr that was plot armor 3) But I think the problem is that mon calamari somehow has some shipyards (have yet to see in film or shows) and thus likely a substantial fleet. Not to say Thrawn couldn’t have just doody’d on all of that instead of whatever we watched go down at lothal. Disgusting stuff compared to the character he was in the books. My opinion though, is that he should’ve been the big bad in the new trilogy instead of palpatine. Whatever though. Back topic, fleet = defense and Death Star could’ve been in and out before they even responded theoretically. An orbital bombardment would take ages, I would compare it to glassing in halo because from my understanding turbo lasers are basically crap compared to using large scale weapons like of our world.

[@AAhmou]

​@@Lilx10do Turbolasers power fluctuates depend on the writers. But in their canon depiction they're usually quite weak. (Even though we saw them easily obliterate asteroids in ESB)

[@Ashguy733]

The logistics alone to control entire systems and even planetary bases and the troops necessary would undoubtedly make it fairly easy for Rebel Cells to do fast attack strikes that would result in an increase in imperial presence, but also be a waste of resources depending on the location. You would need sensor outposts, refueling/refit stations, docking stations, orbital defences along with the sizable amount of ships to adequately defend the system. In reality this would be extremely costly to maintain and retain even with the use of slave labour. Meanwhile the Rebels just need to know what targets to hit, where they can blend in and have a mobile attack force and proper knowledge and reconnaissance of said systems to adequately perform with minimal loss, as long as their logistics in their strike forces are organized and crewed well, planet harassment and ambushes along trade routes would sufficiently put a dent in the Imperials ability within certain sectors.

[@jdotoz]

"The tighter your grip, the more systems will fall through your fingers." The core Rebellion strategy has two parts at the beginning: 1) Keep your force alive as a credible threat to Imperial operations. 2) Provoke Imperial crackdowns on the general population. The worse the Empire gets, the more effective Rebel propaganda gets. If you stay alive long enough, you can then transition to more conventional conflict as you get more support and can build a force. You also have to manage internal conflict between different factions; we get a hint of this in Andor and Rogue One.

[@leotavira7854]

This. The Empire was a centralised bureaucratic state in a galaxy that was used to a much higher level of planetary independence and where fast inter-system communication didn't exist (at least in Episode IV). It was presumable able to find support in the early period after the end of the Clone Wars because people were willing to try something new to avoid such a devastating war happening again. But as time passed, the natural centrifugal tendencies present in all empires would emerge, corruption would weaken the centralised state from within, and Imperial atrocities would destroy their social licence.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

Honestly one of the few plans for defeating the Empire that I saw actually standing a chance was campaigns like Operation Ring Breaker in the Twilight Company novel. Basically start knocking over logistically important soft targets and work your way up with each victory weakening the final target. When they stopped after Sullust Twilight only had to hit Malestare next before it could go after the final target, that being Kuat and its ISD shipyards

[@rochedl]

The Star Wars board game Rebellion sums up everything you just said in this video, the rebels win if they can last enough turns to win the hearts of the galaxy.

[@enteisb1]

Bruh, I love your kamen rider fourze music at the end. Brings me back to 2012

[@emperor6878]

#askeck Did the Emperor want to move his capital to the Death Star (1 or 2) and away from Coruscant? The Death Star would be his moving capital and would get him away from the Coruscant public and Bureaucracy.

[@jhon6378]

@emperor6878 well didn't Palpatine dissolve the Senate? What's the need? Unless he wanted to dedicate himself to the military for a period of time which could necessitate a moving capital. But even that becomes null considering the Vizier could run the Empire while Palpatine helped Vader in the campaign. The capital could have remained as Coruscant

[@mirrorslash028]

Again asking this lol

[@Interitus1]

Star Wars Rebellion had a really cool mechanic which I thought worked well. When you initially usedthe death star you gain loyalty. This makes sense, people are scared of you and your power. But if you use it too much people started to oppose you. Essentially the Empire going too murder hobo as a show of power backfires.

[@MagestormAllgoode]

Honestly, it felt like the Rebels didn't have an end game yet. They were still in the gaining enough supporters to form an endgame. Shoot, even with the Endor Decap, the Empire held territory for decades.

[@samueldimmock694]

In legends, the Empire outlasted the New Republic.

[@LeonardAndHisBiscuit]

The biggest thing that doesn't make sense with the rebels comes from the sequel trilogy: After winning the core worlds and reestablishing the republic, they demilitarized their forces and decommissioned all their warships *while* Imperial remnants were actively harassing others and building an even bigger superweapon.

[@cd5sircoupe]

7:58 There's a small channel that goes by Wookies Rebels & More, he's done some pretty impressive fan additions to various scenes in the original movies. My favorite is adding the Ghost to the Battle of Endor scenes personally. I just wanted to bring some attention to his work cause he deserves some recognition. Dunno what the extents of their talents are compared to EC Henry though.

[@transformersrevenge9]

The main problem with the rebellion was that they didn't know that they could never ever touch the top 2 most important people in the empire. Those being Vader and Sidious. No matter how much they would hurt the empire as an institution, Vader would still be sent out to deal with them, while Palpatine would be impossible to assassinate. He can't be brought to justice, he can't be fought, and even if they built their own super weapon and blew up a planet he was on, well Palpatine can somewhat forsee the future, so he wouldn't be 100% caught off guard. This is mainly the reason why the remaining Jedi didn't join the rebel alliance, but rather put hard work into making Luke ready for the coming battle. They knew that the head of the snake would be impossible for regular people to cut off. That's why they prepared their own man for the job. And in return of the Jedi we see a two way victory. People like Leia, Han, Lando and etc. We in the military battle and blow up the death star. While Luke and Palpatine have a duel over Vader's fate. It's Luke standing tall and choosing death over corruption, that made Vader come back to the light, and end Palpatine's life. Had Palpatine killed Luke a couple of minutes earlier, his tower could have detached and launched him away from the exploding death star, and while the super weapon would have been defeated, he would have still returned to his fleet and everything would have began again. So defeating the emperor, Vader and the death star in the span of a few minutes, was the best case scenario.

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

I don’t think the tower was a detachable starship, even the chair was bolted to the floor and right underneath an air vent.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

They knew that Vader was an extremely hard target and were actively working on being prepared to deal with him as foolish and suicidal as that is. Even if somehow they actually got Vader, there would be no preparation for what Sidious could do.

[@ThePokemonMaster]

I fell off when all your videos were about the latest episodes of the Disney shows, but this popping up on my feed has reminded me what I love about you, and Star Wars 😊

[@beemy.6923]

You’re so right Mr.Eck, now send 3 quadrillion credits to the Imperial Department of Defense

[@RedKansas]

#AskEck if you were put in charge of Star Wars today, what would be your plan for the next films and shows? Would you restore legends?

[@simontmn]

afaics Lucas based them pretty closely on the Viet Cong. I guess RoTJ's Mon Calamari would be North Vietnam & the NVA. Asymmetrical warfare does of course often work, the recent conquest of Syria by rebel forces is an example of how apparently military superior regimes can collapse in the face of insurgent forces. Another example would be Mao's conquest of China and defeat of the Kuomintang, or Castro's conquest of Cuba.

[@maximomartin2529]

The Rebel Alliance, formed by Senator Organa and Senator Mon Mothma, kind of makes sense, as they had a purpose to retake Corcusant, and establish a new, democratic government. The Rebel Alliance and the CIS were almost the same thing.

[@Charlie94781]

The rebel alliance was led by a group of spoiled douchebag politicians who only wanted to destroy the Galactic Empire

[@richardarriaga6271]

CIS were puppets to Palpatine

[@maximomartin2529]

@richardarriaga6271 Yep that's true, but their ideologies are very identical... A true democracy.

[@garrym5682]

My question is - why does Luke “hate the Empire” as he tells Obi-Wan? He lives on a near lawless gangster run planet which appears to be largely unaffected by the Galactic civil war. As far as Luke is concerned, the imperial navy is something you join to have an adventure and leave backwater planets?

[@matthewjay660]

In the early Alliance days, all they wanted was to survive and perform chevauchées. Get in, hit hard, get out fast.

[@Viperspider1]

5:30 I have never noticed those TIE fighters in the rear appearing out of thin air before.

[@Rrrafael.00]

That slip in of marvel rivals was sneaky. But i guess its fine. Lol

[@paulsteinhauser434]

It does and honestly any rebellion that is just succeeds.

[@Black-White-BW1]

Yes

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

It depends on what you mean by “succeeds.” Even if a rebellion has gotten past imperial sabotage, none (IRL) have remained uncorrupted.

[@AAhmou]

​​@@Iden_in_the_Rain irl sometimes they just turn on each other and continue fighting.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

It doesn't and honestly any rebellion that is just fails

[@kobold7466]

i like how there were realistic in depicting the rebels not starting from a populist group but actually a very wealth governor being the one bank rolling and starting the rebellion in the begining

[@gooddog2001]

Principals of irregular warfare, 1-Must take place in the interior of the country and partisan forces must be spread out over a large area. Setting up rebel bases in difficult and isolated terrain or have partisans blend in with the local population. 2-Must have popular support amongst the people. 3-Engage in hit and run attacks and sabotage. 4-Attempt to recruit enemy soldiers to switch sides (Moa China civil war). 5-Must not hinge (early stage) on one battle. 6-Gradually wear down the enemy until you can engage the enemy in open battle to achieve victory. The rebels had to just hang on and keep up the pressure long enough until the empire went bankrupt, which it was quickly heading towards. But the death star was a wild card in that strategy.

[@ZontarDow]

I think the original ending of Return of the Jedi having Leia crowned Empress is an element that should have been kept. Having it be basically a rebellion to overthrow the current corrupt head of state rather then upending the entire system would have made a long term plan and wouldn't have the inherent issues that resorting the Republic (which they where never called or said to be trying to do in the OT movies) that cropped up with the illogical situation of them trying to create a new version of a system that created the Empire in the first place.

[@bakured]

8:34 I just got jumpscared by the Fourze theme Based music choice, thank you

[@Grizabeebles]

Palpatine secretly having precognition through the Force complicates a Rebellion immensely. The path to victory would lie in playing the man amd his unique blind spots rather than depleting his armies. And given that Palpatine's sum total of screen time was 1 minute and 4 seconds prior to Return of the Jedi, there's no way to know what those blind spots are.

[@Euro-thunder]

I love your vids man

[@jaredt2590]

Yes it does, they’re fighting centralization to the extreme with very advanced technology allowing the scaling of interplanetary distances with ease.

[@baronvonbeagle9787]

would love some imp on imp content

[@christopherwilliams7845]

Only problem I have with the Rebels is that if you take the Prequels into consideration, at least half the galaxy should be against creating a New Republic when the Old one voluntarily created the Empire. There should have been lots of rebel movements that fought for independence or were just anti-Empire.

[@albertocruzado2899]

Lots of neo-sepatatist initiatives and new non-human anti-republic racist movements as a response to the heavily humancentric empire.

[@DavidbarZeus1]

Well, that’s probably why they’re called the Rebel ALLIANCE, they agree that the Empire needs taken down, but not what comes after

[@christopherwilliams7845]

@@DavidbarZeus1 Its formal name is the "Alliance to restore the Republic". They only have one endgoal, and that's to restart the Galactic Republic.

[@Karma.3636]

I mean Groups of people often unite to fight against a common enemy even if the goal is something different for example the Chinese United Front during the Second Sino-Chinese war or the Whites during the russian civil war both alliances being made up of people with vastly different believes and ideas for the Future united by the hatred against an enemy.

[@DavidbarZeus1]

@@christopherwilliams7845 Formally, probably due to the majority of the groups seeking that, or the most powerful ones, like Mon and Ackbar’s groups. The others probably negotiated concessions before joining, such as more rights for the Outer Rim

[@Wolf3685]

Ngl, I miss the og outro music, but understand why you no longer use it Great video as always

[@robertedwardhughes9172]

A fun question for you! #askeck The tabletop game Star Wars Legion currently has 4ish factions (imperials, rebels, separatists, and republic, with the ish ish being maul’s shadow collective of pykes, black suns, and mandalorians). My question is, if you were put in charge of Star Wars Legion, what factions would you add, and what are some troop, hero, and vehicle/heavy support options for each of your choices. To start you off, I’d want to see Hutts, with gamoroan guards and mercenaries as troops, hutts and bounty hunters as leaders, and skiffs and rancors as heavy suppoet. Maybe also you could think of some unique flavour for different clone legions, in the form of unique units or playstyles based on the lore

[@gooddog2001]

A hit and run strategy, combined with mines and suicide drones over time would have worked if they could keep super weapons like the death star from being used. Sabotage, camouflage, sneak attack, hit and run over time would have gotten the job done. During the Boar war England was losing to commando tactics (round one). But they had the resources to draw more manpower, weapons, equipment, money from all over the empire to eventually defeat the rebels (round two).

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Honestly if you ask me the rebel alliance seemed if anything too united in general, yes at the start they where divided slightly, but honestly the Rebels always seemed too much united unlike in real life where Rebel alliances or groups often are barely working together and as soon as the bigger threat is dealt with often do infight between each other. Also I just struggle to accept the Rebels easily overtaking the Empire once Vader, Palpatine and the second Death Star are destroyed, it makes little sense such a well equipped and organised military the Empire's would crumble so quickly to the rebels. legends covered this collapse much better than Disney did.

[@imperialhighcommand8535]

Agreed there. I remember reading the summary of the GCW, and looking at the date it ended with so much confusion. In legends, the New Republic was still consolidating by 5 ABY, I think. They only were in a position to take the core by 7 ABY.

[@Elangelexterminador666]

My boy; It happened in 'Nam, it happened to Christ himself in Judea, for not mentioning Afghanistan or even Stalingrad... The empire just experienced everything combined against in perfect order... Equally reasonable as one man making the entire galaxy to go into war, exterminating the jedi order and proclam himself emperor of the first galactic empire, which is kinda inspired in Rome... "All this talk of the empire and they lasted 30 years..." -The armorer, The mandalorian.

[@BrettCaton]

I think that the Mandalorian showed one of the advantages of the rebels was that the Empire was willing to commit atrocities against its own troops to achieve goals. The dead won't worry but the survivors will often hate you, and now you have highly trained internal dissenters. Also, xenophobia gave the empire strength with humans but made them many enemies. The Hutts might have been happy to play both sides, but they must have known a rebel victory would not hurt them much, but Empire victory means annihilation. No matter how evil an alien you are, you are probably going to try to help the Rebels. Ironically, that would include dark siders, because Palpatine suffers no rivals.

[@neofulcrum5013]

All the more reason why setting up in the unknown regions might’ve played out better for them.

[@eRobb4]

As someone who likes to fall asleep to a KZbin queue, the outro music went craaazy 🤣

[@BierBart12]

2:50 Where is this artwork from? Good to see that trooper using an Imperial standard issue *wooden club*

[@catdogman23]

Congrats on 1 million !

[@imperialfriend]

Way I’ve always seen it the Alliance was fighting the Imperial propaganda machine rather than directly engaging the full military might of the Empire. They wanted to rally support across the galaxy with a series morale crushing victories over the Empire.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

Yeah but that’s a massive as hell gamble and realistically any commander who isn’t a true believer is gonna realize that. Not saying hearts and minds isn’t a solid goal, but on worlds like Coruscant and in the deep core full of fanatical imperial loyalists those hearts and minds are simply targets for your blaster.

[@imperialfriend]

@ i agree if the Force wasn’t with the Alliance they definitely wouldn’t have won because the Empire had numbers, technology and military experience to win even without the Death Star 1 & 2

[@gartankthesecond3726]

So how did the Rebel Alliance recruit new members? Did they have recruiters trying to convince people to join the cause? If someone on the outside wanted to join, was there a way for them to enlist? #AskEck

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

The ticked off star systems turned against the Empire & Sheev P. This is the point Leia makes.

[@neofulcrum5013]

There were recruiters on some planets, locals like bartenders or even singers that act as intermediaries, and of course the fulcrum informant network. They probably asked around regarding anti-imperial sentiment or were watched by one of the three I mentioned to see if they were interested.

[@misterbrady100]

Since the Empire had almost all the resources, I feel it was the Empire's war to lose. Because they wanted to beat the rebellion in 'one fell swoop' they made certain moves that in hindsight gave them their biggest losses. The battle of Yavin 4 is a great example of not being properly prepared for a starfighter offensive, for example.

[@anvos658]

Thing is they were Tarkin was just so confident he didn't deploy anywhere near his full garrison of fighters that could've squashed the rebel fighters.

[@egyptian316]

I think the biggest problem with the Rebel plan was that there was no contingency for actually winning. Yes, they were fighting to win, and trying to liberate as many planets as possible. I think though that they expected to reduce Imperial influence, break the back of it's logistics, and eventually force a settlement either with increased rights (and a restoration of the Senate) or a two-state galaxy with a Republic power base to check Imperial expansion. I don't think anybody on the Alliance side was expecting the Emperor to die, Death Squadron to be scattered and the Imperial economy to completely implode in the span of a week. The power vacuum had no side strong enough to fill it, and that is where all the problem we see in The Mandalorian started.

[@violetlight1548]

That's why Legends made far more sense. It took a few years for the Rebels to take Coruscant, and they were still in the provisional stages of the New Republic by 9 ABY, when Thrawn began his campaign. The war wouldn't end until 15 years after that, with the signing of a peace treaty that the *Empire* proposed. Though apparently a realistic, drawn-out war after Endor and the Imperial Remnant asking for peace wasn't dramatic enough for Disney.

[@sennescholten7278]

Well nobody thought that Palpatine would move to the 2e death star in person. I think when the rebel spies found out that Palpatine was going to be on the 2e death star that rebel command tought that wasn't real.

[@Vince005aran]

Kamen Rider Fourze for the outro? Hell yeah!

[@Inspectre_K]

#AskEck How were the Death Star plans stolen in Legends? I know there were a lot of separate missions but how did they all interconnect?

[@Birdyflys-tt9gm]

#AskEcks What was the general public’s knowledge on either Vader or Palpatine being, Sith Lords? And how accepting were they of Vader who definitely looked like a sith, basically enforcing the emperors rule?

[@juanpablovinasco1685]

No, at those points, the common people still thinks that the Sith we're wiped out in 1000 BBY, and the Jedi are just legends or traitors.

[@juanpablovinasco1685]

When Vader came to a world, that world disconnets from the holonet and no civilian out of the planet hears of the planet

[@Macken-n9l]

It’s so sad that we couldn’t have the end of the empire after the battle of Jakku. I mean I think most people who were die hard fans of Star Wars knew that the Battle of Endor was not the end of the Empire, but it definitely marked the beginning of its fall. And then at the battle of Jakku, all or most of the rest of the Empire’s fleet was supposed to be there. But now it’s just not gone?? So basically nothing the Rebels did even mattered.

[@TheChosenOneFEF]

Funny how that Battle of the Dreadnoughts animation now has 6 Million views only like a day after the comment was made (or so I believe) Lovely work Eck

[@HistorysRaven]

I really have two major problems with the set up of the Rebel Alliance. The first is how Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, until his death, practically ran every Rebel agency themselves. The second is the small size of the individual rebel cells. Even if you have a limited supply of everything, a rebel cell on a planet or in a system should still not look like a rebel cell for something the size of a mid-size city. The New Republic military during the Battle of Jakku should have been much larger than 12 million (estimate based on the size of the given Imperial military size).

[@Rio_SSB]

Didn’t expect you to be a Kamen Rider fan. I love Kamen Rider Fourze

[@BenjaminRoethig]

I think Andor/ Rogue put things into perspective, you had a bunch of different groups with different preferred come together against a single foe. This gave the Rebels a more powerful fighting force, but also doomed the New Republic. They wanted the same things militarily, but not politically and that part was basically hijacked by Mon Mothma who wanted something that just didn't work for the non-core worlds.

[@3Rayfire]

Hell EC Henry has been making ships for Star Trek Online, which is bleedin awesome.

[@manticorephoenix]

The Rebel Alliance has so much room for customization it’s honestly weird no one has played up on that yet, I paint my Legion models in different colors than we’ve seen in movies and games cause canonically, they don’t have the resources for standardized ground combat training, so why would they not spend funds on that and instead use it for uniforms. I realize in games the devs are always so terrified or outright told not to have creativity in designs but it’s just so frustrating that the most under utilized era of the Star Wars story is it’s original just because it’s not what the latest generation grew up on

[@oldomen3788]

Things like the death star and over stretched military significantly helped the rebels win.

[@ratchet2505]

I miss the old outro but don't mind these tunes

[@Official_Kayde_Games]

I never actually stopped and thought about it until now-

[@FlyingNinjaish]

Honestly Star Wars makes much more sense if you assume it takes place in a third world country. The Government (Empire) has limited power outside the capital and so can't do anything about religious fundamentalists who control towns in the countryside (Mon Cal), the stormtroopers are ineffective because military is mostly irregulars drawn from paramilitary groups (Lord Vader's Resistance Army), TIE Fighters and Star Destroyers are easily destroyed because they're just Space Technicals, and guided missiles are rare or nonexistent because no one can afford to pay Northrop Gungan prices.

[@zombieshoot4318]

So basically the most recent example is Syria. LMAO! It all makes sense now.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

This makes more sense lmao. 😂

[@dragnarok4286]

First movie was the last movie it ended with an imperial officer fearing vader choking him to death. First the death star sends 1000 tie fighters to intercept the incoming uknown enemy force then the said officer panics and sends another 9000 out of the 40000 AVAILABLE TIE FIGHTERS ON THE DEATH STAR so there is no way there was any other ending to that story. What we see is just a children story told hundreds of years after to inspire hope in people living under stable and unbroken imperial rule.

[@andrewmarines6391]

Answering the question from the title: as a guy from Poland, my country's history showed me that rebelion is mostly a need of heart, Warsaw's uprising was an act of pure opposition to german forces (it was futile from the start - nevertheless it happened) occupying the Poland's territory, there's not always a clear plan what will happen after, You just want to oppose, to channel all your anger, fear and sorrow against a foe. Ask all the brave French rebel - they'll all say the same thing. Some peps in power has their onw agendas to rule in the void that will appear after but always the rebellion and the rebels starts and fights with their hearts

[@BlackMasterRoshi]

I mean without a counter-elite there is no successful rebellion

[@meganoob12]

the efforts if the brave people of Warsaw wasn‘t futile from the start… It was made futile by the evil soviets who denied the british to use their air bases to send supply to the polish resistence and who purpousfully halted the Red Army to make Germans and Poles kill each other so that the Russians can easily capture and enslave the city. The people thought their liberators were closing in from the east. In reality it was the same shit with a differently coloured paint.

[@andrewmarines6391]

@@BlackMasterRoshi no, why? during Polish partitions, the rebels were the upper class and the intelligence - poets, writers and scientists as well as the common folk - the idea is superior to the class

[@BrexitToTheExit-kh1bk]

Short answer: no Long Answer: no, but we got a couple good movies out of it

[@nicholasdelaney1407]

That thumbnail gave be 1984 vibes 😱...

[@DarkApostleNoek]

In Rebels at least they had talked about challenging the Empire directly, but after how bad the Battle of Atollon went/was going they saw they were far from that. But ya open warfare was always going to be a thing, where others could safer in rising up. #askeck How would you design a the faction? It is created after the battle of Exegol and is 10 systems large. How is the political power divided between central and systems? What is your military organization, and is their a focus on any land &/or space vehicles? Is there a law/training on Force users? Droid rights? What type of Government is it?

[@Headshot1st]

I’ve always been wondering something. Since Thrawn was only in the empire as to form an ally for his people, would he be guilty or guilty by association to any imperial war crimes? I’m pretty sure he didn’t commit any crimes and neither did any of his men, but say he surrenders when the new republic takes power. would he be chalked or would he be sort of discharged or even recruited by the republic maybe

[@darthbane3937]

The empire should never have let the name rebels appear. In Hunger Games President Snow suppressed the name rebels because it would give them legitimacy.

[@theaussiebrobladers6777]

Good to see another good quality video

[@JapanCloneTrooper]

#AskEck Could you do a video outlining the differences between Canon and Legends Clone Troopers like why the former became tight with the Jedi while the latter were closer with their Mandalorian trainers? And why Canon Clones got screwed over by the Empire while Legends Clones were fine until the Kaminoan Rebellion? And why Canon Clones embraced their individuality more than Legends Clones did? We all know the out of universe reason is because Legends Clones were written to be like a Star Wars version of Star Trek’s Jem Hadar since they were always going to become the Galactic Empire’s first stormtroopers while Canon Clones were written to be characters fans would love and thus morphing them into being as heroic as their Jedi leaders and the Rebels that would fight their Imperial successors, but what would be an in-universe reason? Differences in Kaminoan cloning between universes? Differences in Jedi doctrine between universes? What?

[@ben501st]

#AskEck could the magnetic sealing of the trash compactor be used a defensive armor like on a starship or fortification? Seems like deflecting blasters and lasers rather than absorbing them could be useful.

[@NerdWorldEmpire]

#askeck I’d like to see an animation of a competent imperil fleet deployed properly with stardestroyers, corvettes and cruisers and carriers plus decent fighters like the defender or interceptor. Basically how the navy was designed to be deployed if you forget the Tarken doctrine

[@randalcook325]

The most frustrating thing about all of this is the fact that the rebels kept getting these mon Cal capital ships. They had the major ship building shipyards around the planet. It is well known that the Imperial Fleet around the time of Empire Strikes Back, numbered around 25,000 ISD's. In the Imperial Source Book it states that just one ISD could sit above a planet and turn its surface to slag. It makes NO freaking sense that the Grand Admirals did not order an attack on that traitorous fish faced planet and wipe out the population of traitors and destroy those space docks. The other thing is with as many spies and others willing to make a fast credit, it makes no sense whatsoever that the Empire could not find the production planets of thise cursed X wing fighters. As big as the Empire was, across the entire galaxy, the movies make no sense that a rag tag group of punk mule dogs could defeat the might of the Empire. One example---- the Emperor himself tells Luke that an entire Legion of his best troops await his friends on the moon below. If anyone that truly knows Star Wars, a Legion compromises 14,000 Imperial soldiers and officers. All of these soldiers were there for one reason. To protect the shield generator and kill the rebels. There is simply no way Han could have bluffed his way into the bunker. All of those scum would have been killed, the rebel fleet would have been wiped out.

[@otakufreak2617]

If Palpatine decided to stay on coruscant during the endor trap then the rebels would've lost the war.

[@sirilluminarthevaliant2895]

The rebel alliance grows into a proper military over time especially in legends as they have more access to resources. They have never had any shortage of money. The x wing unrestricted u boat style warfare I think did a lot of work

[@l.s3340]

Rebels were losing until Endor, which begs the question why didn't they just try to kill Palpatine from the beginning considering all the chaos that happened afterwards and NO i'm not referring to that operation cinder crap (STUPID HACK WRITERS), overnight the whole Empire just fragments because of the power struggle thats the only reason the Rebels won. In fact why didn't even Saw Gerrera try to kill Palpatine??? that guy was a total Looney.

[@sennescholten7278]

Because nobody would be able to get close enough to Palpatine.

[@richardarriaga6271]

A Sith Lord can't be killed by a regular guerilla force.

[@mobilemechanics6565]

After the VONG attack NO!

[@williamflowers9435]

Keep in mind, the Vietnam War was very fresh in Lucas’ mind, along with many anti-colonial movements post WW2.

[@alecdeter1999]

Frankly Rogue one really showed how they bumblefucked into victory like I am on the side of the Rebellion for the most part but had the Emperor not been cartoonishly evil the Empire woulda won hands down and rightfully so

[@isaacburrows8405]

These films are not giving a glimpse into something existing outside the minds of the creators. Just write fanfiction instead of speculating about hypothetical non events

[@kevenuzamaki4243]

#AskEckh, if you were to make a fleet from not only cross factionly but also cross universe, what ships would you have? And why?

[@Strideo1]

I wondered how the Rebel Alliance could hold Mon Calamari. How was it not just crushed by the Empire.

[@nightmare4976]

To put it this way many of the people who are adults say in their 50s or 60s where alive during the clone wars....people in their twenties and lower where born IN the clone wars or afterwards....who would you rather side with the empire who you see everywhere and know they defend your planet and give jobs or....the rebels who randomly attacked your back word towns garrison force without a reason you dont know of

[@user-bl7em8sx6o]

And want to restart everything with drastic changes that is basically rolling the dice

[@spikedpsycho2383]

If capacity to raise capital to finance a small army isn't difficult in an era of massive technocracy laden galaxy. - Confederates left behind 10,000 warships/support craft. - ship builders in non-aligned worlds would build for others. - The insurgents militias of Taliban, ISIS and Iraq prove you don't need HUGE military powers to fight against larger ones.

[@LummidGames]

#AskEck One of my favorite starfighters in the N1 from episode 1, my question is how powerful was the secondary weapon Anakin used to blow up the droid control ship of Naboo? Secondly it seems powerful enough to be in violation of the Russan Reformations? Are they torpedoes? Tubo Lasers? Love the channel

[@DavidbarZeus1]

I think the official explanation is that Anakin fired torpedoes into a reactor of the droid control ship, resulting in something similar to the Death Star’s destruction

[@CplBurdenR]

2:44 those TIE Bombers are upside down

[@liltimmah]

Whay are your thoughts and opinions on the pre republic era. I really love it myself and wish there was more on it. Also, how ling have i been subscribed?. I feel like its been since near the start of the channel. Keep up the awesome content

[@Molfra]

#AskEck Why do you think the pirates kept grogu, there was quite obviously a bounty on him considering all the hunters with tracking fobes and I doubt they wouldn't have known about it, so we're actually protecting him. My theory is that after he was saved after the purge, so senator or rebel group hired these pirates to protect him, but was eventually captured by the empire or forgot about grogu, (why he was never given to the new republic after the war), and the pirates not knowing he was a jedi just kept and raised him till mando showed up, killed them and stole their kid.