Does the state fear the truth? - Slavoj Zizek on the scandalous treatment of Assange | SpectatorTV

[@GraceCanadaful]

British government should be deeply ashamed. Also, do not change the subject mister host. Britain must free Julian and stop covering crimes of CIA.

[@beammeup8458]

Political extradition is against the law in Britain : WHAT HAPPENED TO RESPECT FOR THE LAW AND JUSTICE ? One just, the other already bought and paid for $$

[@DRS659]

Hey are you from Canada? I'm with DiEM25 the political org Assange helped start. We've formalized in Canada recently and if you're interested in the movement please let me know.

[@robinsoncrusoe535]

The current British government is backed by the CIA.

[@bosewicht2389]

Not ashamed, locked up in prison

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

Going by the complete absence of any articles on him, a major Australian news site is more interested in Taylor Swift than Julian Assange.

[@janettodd1195]

That is so true and here in the West they are more interested in wrestling, I am ashamed 😢

[@amanarama]

It's the same today across nearly all the mainstream media.

[@bomcdowell-kim9194]

A disturbing sign of time. A tactic to dumb down the public so that they will be controlled more easily.

[@TheOzzibear]

As an Australian living in Germany, I'm absolutely disgusted by the fact that in Australia, there is hardly any coverage worth publishing of this highly important case. It doesn't make me proud to be Australian!

[@DaFinkingOrk]

​@@amanaramaThe state has taken over a lot of media behind the scenes somehow and can tell them to mention or ignore certain things. It's clear.

[@AC-yw2qs]

Assange didn't leak the documents. He posted them on WikiLeaks.

[@sue.F]

Zizek successfully argues many key points, the most pertinent is that Assange exposed the US government’s nefarious actions, not to hostile regimes, but to their own people.

[@1112viggo]

Yet he neglects the most important one. I mean here we are, as always discussing the punishment of a man who revealed war crimes, while no one is even giving the people who committed the freaking war crimes a thought. When is their trail due i wonder? Nobody ever talks about that anymore, especially not the media. The are oddly enough more concerned with the implications this case has for the freedom of the press...

[@waterkingdavid]

​@@1112viggo And ignoring murderers like Pompeo who celebrates every death in Gaza.

[@1112viggo]

Incredible, we have become like Uganda under Idi Amin: "There is freedom of speech, but i cannot guarantee freedom after speech."

[@nimrodlab1]

This is more abouth life after speech...This type of kill is much more human than in Russia,what a bs

[@HenriHattar]

Extradition to the USA is illegal by even USA standards, he is not a US citizen and has never committed a crime on US soil OR any where else.

[@MiguelHIGHrce1781Xy]

GLOBALIST STATERS' MODEL/ EXAMPLE TO 3rd WORLD GOVERMENTS Why? SECRECY SUDSIDIES

[@HenriHattar]

An extadition is to gather in some one who fled one country in which he committed a crime in order to get that person back. This is NOT the case.

[@josephfredbill]

He DIDNT leak thousands of documents, he didnt leak ANY, he PUBLISHED documents that others leaked. He commited no crime. The words used at the start are an example of framing the issue with poor biased language

[@farrider3339]

As I understood Zizek, he precisely referred to this point. Assange only published the documents stolen by others.

[@josephfredbill]

@@farrider3339 he may have done, I didnt listen all the way through - I am familiar with the details and follow the case closely and campaign on it - I was losing the will to live ;-) - but the interviewer clearly said at the start that he leaked thousands of documents. This is like a headline and typical of mainstream media - many people will have picked up JUST the headline statement and its important we correct statements like this, otherwise they act as propaganda.

[@farrider3339]

@@josephfredbill yes. Those nitpickish details. True, journalists usually are damn uncritical when choosing the terms. Zizek intervened and tried to make the difference clear. Albeit I must say, here we enter the field jurisdiction. A judge only has sufficient qualifications to say which is applicable here. Us observers, only can use common sense. And as the proverb goes: _Justice got noting to do with just_ (in the sense of fairness). Hope your will to live is well restored;) Assange is a direct beacon to weaknesses and the hypocrisy the entire system works with. Ideolgies nobody believes in.

[@barbaradurr4170]

​@@josephfredbill das ist ja so wahr geworden, die letzten vier Jahre, haben wir nur Propaganda erfahren. Es gibt eine neue Zeitrechnung: vor der Pandemie und nach der Pandemie. Wir wurden vom Mainstream Journalismus zugemüllt mit Propaganda der übelsten Art. Ich habe es nicht vergessen. Saint Exupery lässt den kleinen Prinzen sagen dass wir nur mit dem Herzen gut sehen hören und verstehen können.

[@colinstewart1432]

He uses this phrase more than once. Sloppy journalism or deliberate reframing? It's hard to know.

[@presntnow]

Free Assange!

[@markmanc-zw3td]

The public dont want the truth, they want constant reassurance that what they believe is actually the truth.

[@aleks5022]

This is so true. Always has, always will be.

[@jackklugman107]

Yup I mean 80% repeatedly injected toxic useless garbage for the sniffles

[@MiguelHIGHrce1781Xy]

GLOBALIST STATERS' FEAR, HATE, BLIND EYE, ONLY ONE TRUTH( CENTRALIZE MEDIA), AND PUBLIC MANUPILATIONS MODEL

[@MiguelHIGHrce1781Xy]

GLOBALISTS STATERS' EXAMPLE/MODELING 3rd WORLD GOVERMENTS/ DICTATORS/IMPUNITIES/ POWERS

[@HenriHattar]

What makes me REALLY sad is that if a foreigner on foreign soil discloses a wrong doing of the US the US is allowed to exctradite them? I wish Anthony Blinky could be interviewed.

[@chrisbrown3278]

Regarding this title ,Of course it does the public are not stupid and ignorant of our government and other governments misdeeds .

[@1112viggo]

And yet in the end, what do we people do about it when "the truth" comes out? Nothing but yap online about how our freedoms are going down the drain AGAIN...

[@alexandermathie66]

The American taxpayer has a right to know exactly where their hard earned dollars are going. More people like jullian Assange are needed in this world exposing the corruption and policing a bunch of greedy immoral people who like to call themselves 'elite'

[@dy6682]

National governments everywhere are all powerful and unaccountable to their citizens. No freedom left just control and obedience. How did we get here ? Respect

[@gerhard7323]

Best summed up by, 'When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.’ - Edward Snowden

[@shahlaahy4372]

This case, no matter how brutally may end, has ended trust in "idea" of Western values! 😢

[@annehinde9302]

Bradly Manning I think she changed her name to Chelsea when she transitioned she spent 7 years in prison for leaking the info to Wikileaks .So why do they want life for Julian?

[@CalebAchsah]

@annehinde9302 - Because Julian, as founder and publisher of "Wikileaks," is a much more dangerous and powerful figure and a much greater threat. If Bradley/Chelsea Manning had not been able to transmit documents to Julian, that information probably could not have been discovered and made known.

[@carinarilk89]

THEY WANT WARNING GOOD JOURNALIST!

[@carinarilk89]

​@@CalebAchsahThat's the true, what the Imperialist has done. They killed a lot people. Weapon Industry earned blood money, Always the same. So they prepare the 3 WW. THANKS SO MUCH AMERIKA AND UN AND NATO

[@gerhard7323]

Only 7 of 35 original sentence. Subsequently commuted by Obama. Manning cut a deal, perhaps understandably and the state paid for their transition. Manning refuses to discuss Assange in any great depth now which does make me wonder if they'll play a role in his potential prosecution....

[@CalebAchsah]

@@gerhard7323 - Oh wow! Really? Never knew that. If the "transition" was Bradley/Chelsea's Judas-price, could that explain why prosecutors are now saying that Julian "manipulated" Bradley/Chelsea into releasing classified documents? But how could anyone be "manipulated" by a stranger on the other side of the ocean? Julian is smart but he's not Machiavelli.

[@neilsmith5762]

Does the state fear the truth….yes.

[@frankjaeger760]

But they are not afraid of Assange, for their is no truth in him.

[@karynh11]

​@@frankjaeger760Wikileaks has a record of 100% accuracy. All information is thoroughly vetted for accuracy.

[@gandhi9936]

If Assange is extradited just because Britain is an ally of America, then why go through the charade of a court case, and just admit Britain has no rule of law? After all, Britain has incarcerated him since 2019, in last few years in solitary confinement, without any charge or judicial process.

[@currawong2011]

Please, do not refer to the questionable British legal system as a justice system.

[@MiguelHIGHrce1781Xy]

To GLOBALISTS STATERS' all of it to model/example/d/endoctrinate/d, fabricate in Secrecy 3rd world goverments/dictators/impunities/powers as ALL FUTURE

[@mystrength5640]

The Man is close to death, free Him! He’s NOT going to see his Children and wife.. into their Future! No matter what he did, how about having some Compassion!

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

Not no matter what he did. Whatever they did that they didn't want revealed. They should release him.

[@oneoflokis]

All he is guilty of, is Journalism and Publishing. The last time in English-speaking countries that they imprisoned people for any of those, was in the 18th Century. 😏

[@janettodd1195]

Yes let him come and live out his days with his wonderful father and brother and family in Australia, where he belongs but sad to say the Australian Government are puppets for the US, they only want to use us to sell us their war ships etc!😢

[@lorineanitabrice6768]

Julian Assange published, Julian didn't leak.

[@wofi]

Ja, das ist richtig. Aber für die Gerechtigkeit wäre es völlig egal auf welche Weise ein Verbrechen an die Öffentlichkeit gelangt, es bleibt ein Verbrechen - und ist zu ahnden! Das passiert hier nicht, sondern wird komplett verdrängt durch die Behauptung die Informationen seien auf illegale Weise beschafft worden. Das ist falsch!! Investigativer Journalismus ist Pflicht für jeden Journalisten! Länder, die dies zu verhindern suchen werden von Verbrechern regiert, egal ob sie schon welche begangen haben oder nicht. Allein die Absicht die Informationen über staatliche Verbrechen zu unterdrücken, macht sie zu Verbrechern!

[@MsHumble4]

I doubt they fear anyone at all ! After what has been happening… you can tell how sure they are about their strength. And indeed they are !

[@standalby6949]

There’s to many chiefs & not enough Indians

[@katakalyptica]

Every system of power fears the truth - just a rhetorical question

[@MiguelHIGHrce1781Xy]

GLOBALIST STATERS MANUPILATION FEARS TO MODEL/EXAMPLES ENDOCTRINATION 3rd WORLD GOVERMENTS JULIAN ASSANGE DEFENDING TRUTHERS AT JOURNALISM

[@kensachter2869]

Well done Speccie!

[@MrSillenomis]

He exposed war crimes, get to the point

[@lorineanitabrice6768]

Assange published didn't leak

[@NoelleChanHin]

I would help Assange for his outstanding journalism and his courage. He embarassed American. The USA are afraid of sincere people. Their government is a neocon.

[@sueellerman7984]

Australian mainstream media has been appalling in covering this critical social justice/ freedom of Press issue, including for the most part, the ABC. But should we be surprised? Well not really. Fortunately some independent media like Michael West Media have given some good coverage to this critical story. The Australian mainstream media just copy n paste stories with barely any investigative journalism.

[@beammeup8458]

The truth is poison to liars ….

[@kathryns560]

Good point - get him back to Australia!

[@IanPerdrisat]

Assange is a jounalist, he was the publisher not the 'spy'.He was publishing not spying.

[@kc8181]

I don’t know why, because I don’t know him, but I respect everything Zizek says. He seems to put everything in context.

[@GraceCanadaful]

I think Snowden is happy in Russia. He already got a citizenship, has a family and comfortable life. To be honest, these days, I would rather live in Russia than America. Free Julian, Britain - you know that he must be freed. s

[@Niagara612]

Yes, and Snowden has freedom! ✌️

[@JONNOG88]

He *wont* be when Russia forcibly conscripts him. To fight in their war against Ukraine, though 🤔 😉

[@susanmercurio1060]

Me too

[@fraserbailey6347]

'Does the state fear the truth?' A somewhat absurd question. The state fears, to some extent, the people knowing the truth. On the other hand, as Slavoj says, most people don't want to know the truth.

[@fraserbailey6347]

Freddy is wrong to say that Assange 'leaked' the documents. It was Chelsea Manning who leaked the documents. Assange published them. If Freddy doesn't know this, he shouldn't be writing for The Spectator or any other publication.

[@MiguelHIGHrce1781Xy]

GLOBALIST STATERS' LAWS LYING AT PUBLIC FOR SECRECY MODEL/EXAMOLES TO 3rd WORLD GOVERMENTS/DICTATORS

[@Turquoisebuddha1]

Silence is a form of complicity. Navalny was not a fool to return to Russia, he knew well what his fate would be. The difference is that we are talking about him, the world knows of him. Many have heard his message and he will be remembered. Other Russian dissidents are unknown to us, they are effectively silenced, they live but remain in the shadows.

[@funbarsolaris2822]

Navalny had near fascists like political views, its a complete fabrication that he's a "noble Saint of democracy" as is the elites propoganda line. He wasn't even the 2nd most popular political option in Russia! After Putins party the 2nd most popular is the communist party (by far). Navalny's party was a distant 3rd and does have massive ties to NATO and US military and intelligence agencies. They were never gonna allow a sleeper agent to run their country. It's just delusional to expect otherwise. There is a ludicrous naivety about the west being lovely wide-eyed lambs only wanting to spread peace and love, sheepingshly twiddling their fingers and playing with their pigtails.. reality is very, very different

[@carinarilk89]

Wach the Video with Nowalny! He was a HATER and a rassist.

[@susanmercurio1060]

I think that the furor over Navalny in the West is to distract from what they are doing to Julian Assange.

[@StephenBrennanGuitar]

Zizek: "please mention Navalny, don't only speak about Assange or it will get too one sided". That's the kind of genius he is.

[@kathryns560]

Good points!

[@darrenpick8919]

Criminal governments freedom of speech 🎤 🙏🏼❤️🔥XOXOXO

[@J00Ls]

They fear the truth getting out.

[@claracampos6438]

#JulianAssange did not leak any documentation. The Spectator please correct the record.

[@veronicamorrison6056]

ALL LIARS FEAR THE TRUTH. The truth (not necessarily all of the truth all of the time) is its own reward.

[@annehinde9302]

Is there any evidence that others were harmed by Julian’s publishing?

[@dethkon]

That drum solo in the beginning was SICK

[@annehinde9302]

I always thought A journalist job was to hold power to account?

[@Dan-mm1yl]

British government should let him go no doubt the CIA will look for him but he has dealt with over a decade of hassle over something that he reported on. The info was leaked by other people

[@mariaisabelcruz4943]

SHAME ON YOU YOU USA SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME. FREE SPEECH !!!!

[@patrickgoovaerts2604]

Ooh yeah.....for sure......THEY ARE SCARE !!!!!

[@bvy2970]

today they came for Assange, tomorrow they'll come for you

[@dy6682]

We all assume that national governments are required to run the affairs of a nation. However , how do we hold our governments accountable to the citizens when government policy clearly violate our freedoms and right to life and the pursuit of happiness? How did governments become so powerful and unaccountable?

[@MariaPaire]

Freedom for Julian Assange! Now!

[@souria1671]

Nous sommes tous des Julian ASSANGE ❤😢💪💪 Nous sommes tous des Gazaouis ❤😢💪💪 Libération de Mr Julian ASSANGE Libération de Gaza Mr ASSANGE vous êtes un HÉROS de l’humanité ❤❤ Grace à votre courage une grande partie de la société occidentale commence à comprendre la réalité 😢😢 Nous avons besoin des journalistes libres comme vous. Merci 🙏 ❤❤ 😢😢😢😢

[@scotthullinger4684]

The state knows the truth ... and yet the state denies the truth.

[@carefulcarpenter]

Censorship is a clue. Rampant censorship on YT lately. Truth is not simple.

[@davidrathbone4029]

Almost everything I've said has been deleted. Will they delete this one too?

[@danielc6106]

There must be alternatives to KZbin?

[@carefulcarpenter]

@@danielc6106 Example: You go downtown on Friday night. You hope to run into some interesting people from all walks of life. Then someone from Jersey says: "New York Pizza is the best. Why don't you fly to New York?"

[@julie8490]

Free Julian Assange

[@JesusGodHolySpirit3]

UK is going to consult the USA about Assange's extradition before they make a ruling. They better make a correct decision.

[@AlisonHersey-bi2bg]

They should NOT consult America regarding Assanges extradition, America plotted to kill him!

[@AlessandroZir]

thank you! that was a keen duscussion;

[@fraserbailey6347]

Not really. It was primarily a statement of the obvious, with no new information or insights.

[@AlessandroZir]

@@fraserbailey6347 when the obvious is true, it is the most difficult think to get at; and you probably are still at a loss exactly because of that!

[@MarcusCorbett]

'Surplus of sadistic enjoyment'..a good phrase.

[@janettodd1195]

Definitely!😢

[@brankajosilo-perry8889]

Extradition works only one way, from the U.K. to the USA. When Americans whom America wants extradited suddenly get diplomatic immunity!

[@brankajosilo-perry8889]

Sorry, the persons wanted by the U.K. from the US suddenly have diplomatic immunity.

[@rosemarykajioka5126]

Good interview

[@zahramq2544]

Am absolutely in shock that an Australian who only told the truth is getting treated like this 😢😢

[@nimrodlab1]

So great that Žižek have a Russia as regular scapegoat but his view on US as democracy makes me think of Guantanamo as tourist destination.

[@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602]

This is not a case in which the issue discussed is freedom of speech, freedom of the press or criminalization of journalism. The most fundamental question in the case is whether Julian Assange is a human being who can hold rights (including the right to practice as a journalist and not be extradited to a country that treats him as a political enemy) or an "inanimate thing " which England can freely use to expand and reinforce its privileged diplomatic relationship with the USA. Not framing the case correctly is a way of allowing the English Supreme Court to dehumanize Julian Assange, I think. Thank God Zizek isn't a lawyer. He would likely undermine Assange's defense.

[@AlisonHersey-bi2bg]

My comment was: we should not be consulting U$ before making a judgement on the case

[@averayugen7802]

Yes the State fears the truth. Its always been the huge screaming-wounded elephant in the room, begging for relief.

[@thomaskeeler912]

No answer to "keep him alive but in the worst conditions possibile"... Bravo Zizek: slimey journalist decides to end the interview at the most convenient point for him, Zizek cuts him off - "listen! I go now!"

[@HarveyMillstone]

I appreciate his insight. It's just his slurring and excessive spittle that are so terribly distracting. Most unfortunate.

[@camir2747]

Freeeee Assange!!

[@adrianalexandrov7730]

Talking about government more afraid of exposing misdeeds to the people then to the enemy, what Zizek doesn't get as a socialist is that for government the most dangerous enemy is the people, not another county's "nomenklatura".

[@jimrule8652]

Should Australia join BRICS and we would be look after a lot better

[@carolinearmitage1815]

Let's stop talking left and right and start talking truth!

[@dion1949]

It was a pleasure. Zizek really enjoys himself.

[@dion1949]

This is not a criticism, just an observation.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Zizek uses an example of a failed colour revolution attempted coup of an Arab country, not to support these softer methods of Imperialism, but to support the sort of hidd3n war crimes that Julian exposed as zizeks preferred method of American imperialism. Perhaps that's why he's so well promoted

[@theservantsofthesoul1606]

Aren't War Crimes considered to be one of the worst crimes around and one that a government who committed them supposed to be deeply ashamed of? It doesn't even seem like this is the issue at all. Obviously, this seems like just a way for our government and military to turn the tables on Assange in order to ignore these crimes and turn him into the real criminal. This all doesn't make any sense? We posted a Folk Song on our channel called "Please Set Julian Assange Free", that it is getting hardly any traction. I would love it if people would listen, because in the lyrics we try to state his case for freedom.

[@ОльгаБорисовна-щ3д]

Суд над свободой людей знать правду о преступлениях правительства Свободу Ассанджу!

[@mariaisabelcruz4943]

FREE ASSANGE HE IS INOCENT DEMOCRACY IS IN DANGER.

[@tchoukiminer2620]

Talking about jonathon pollard

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

The Aussies don't have as much blackmail leverage as Pollard's backers did/do.

[@oneoflokis]

Yes it bloody well does, Slavoj!! 👍

[@fraserbailey6347]

Freddy finally wakes up to the fact that the UK/US/Collective West is becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. Why are all these journalists to late to the party? As for Slavoj, the worst of his stuttering and slobbering seems to have been cured. This makes him much easier to understand and consume.

[@erikolsen6269]

America should have been embarassed loooongggggg before the leaks from mr. Assange

[@atwarwithdust]

18:29 "Merge Left: Fusing Race and Class, Winning Elections, and Saving America" by Ian Haney López on the shelf! Good book.

[@RussMcP]

Why the hell is The Spectator giving this more attention than the BBC?

[@JONNOG88]

You've got to give The Spectator it's dues. It gives *everyone* a platform at some point or other. Something thats its more left leaning competitors are missing. I do hope the planned acquisition of it by the 🇦🇪 consortium.*Doesn't* go ahead though.

[@susanmercurio1060]

Has the Spectator given Assange a platform?

[@_BMS_]

Assange has been indicted. He therefore has to stand trial. Simple really.

[@davidrathbone4029]

Assange is not a US citizen, so he cannot be indicted to stand trial by the US.

[@_BMS_]

@@davidrathbone4029 Non-citizens can commit crimes and can stand trial, just like any citizen. The law would be rather ineffective against outside threats if foreigners can engage in criminal behavior without fear of persecution.

[@davidrathbone4029]

Only if the crime was committed in that country. Julian Assange has never even been to the USA.

[@_BMS_]

@@davidrathbone4029 «Universal jurisdiction is a legal principle that allows states or international organizations to claim criminal jurisdiction over an accused person regardless of where the alleged crime was committed, and regardless of the accused's nationality, country of residence, or any other relation to the prosecuting entity.»

[@davidrathbone4029]

@@_BMS_ no doubt it's true, but it's just not right: the person who exposes the war crimes is prosecuted, while the people who committed the war crimes get off Scott free. International law works very well when the powerful want to protect their right to kill at will. But not so much when it comes to being held accountable for massacring innocent civilians. It's the combination of sanctimony and hypocrisy that's so overwhelming.

[@Crwydryn-x3r]

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, in which incidents exposed by Wikileaks took place, have already been forgotten by the American public. It's ironic that Assange may end up imprisoned for life because of matters that few people care about anymore in the country that wants him punished. Julian Assange is not a citizen of the US and was not residing on US territory when he carried out the activities that have upset US authorities. Any legal action against him should be taken in the courts of the country where he was residing when he did what he did. It is an important principle, and one that is widely exploited by shady entrepreneurs who set up their businesses in countries where they can't be prosecuted for anything. International law is not so kind to whistleblowers. If the US can exercise legal terror against anyone anywhere in the world for any reason, other countries will follow suit. Vladimir Putin has issued arrest warrants for foreign nationals he doesn't like. He is only following the example set by The United States.

[@willapanews9761]

Did USA make nuclear submarine deal with UK and Australia for Julian Assange?

[@muomu]

没有国家愿意公布自己的犯罪行为，阿桑奇只是拿美国开刀，他是非常勇敢的人，现实中法律就是保护政府不受阿桑奇这样的人挑战的

[@flappyturtlesnatch]

So according to Zizek on his interview with Aaron Bastani a few months ago, he is a Stalinist by his own admission. I'm curious what his insights are on imprisoning political opposition. This should be interesting Edit: I may have spelled Aaron's last name wrong. I'm not compelled to check

[@Dr.FahMofid]

#freeassange

[@MarcusCorbett]

Manning was banged up again for refusing to testify against Assange only this time indefinitely. Yes this is the fabled land of the free. He/she was turfed out of prison after suicide attempts with a humungous fine gaining compound interest by the second. A campaign to pay it off by donation succeded in days. This is what 'the people' think. Faith and confidence in our world is the desperate price that will be paid if Assange is extradited. All authority will be laughed at.

[@mieliav]

would like to hear zizek's thoughts on scandalous treatment of bernie sanders too.

[@elainefell7943]

Does anyone know what happened to the people in the Apache helicopters who shot unarmed civilians?

[@davidrathbone4029]

Short answer: no. Long answer: The two names mentioned were Bushmaster7 and Crazyhorse15. "Bushmaster 7" was the callsign of AH-64 Apache crew. "Crazyhorse"was the Joint Terminal Attack Contriller at Tactical Operations Command post. JTAC picks targets and prioritizes them, giving clearance to "engage" to crews. No one will ever know the names, identities , and locations of service members. Army Inspector General investigated this action and found no wrong doing, so no further records exist.

[@elainefell7943]

@@davidrathbone4029 Thanks very much for your answer. I don't see how people can keep faith in international law when the ICC has no real power in this situation & there are no consequences for people who break it. Although I imagine the people in the helicopter (or their lawyers) will say it was 'illegally obtained evidence.'

[@davidrathbone4029]

@@elainefell7943 And yet international law seems to work very well when it comes to extraditing those who the US want to silence i.e. Julian Assange. Such an overwhelming combination of sanctimony & hypocrisy that it's difficult not to descend into sheer cynicism. But I still have faith that the pen is mightier than the sword.

[@StevenDykstra-u3b]

Modern ontology goes back to Thyrasymus musings, which if memory serves, it means power justifies itself. Power defines right and wrong, so this is true for those that successfully wield (peddle and enforce) truth--until that truth falls. I think Hegel is at some juncture interjects himself and great men in this world historic conversation. 😮

[@susanmercurio1060]

7:15 Russia is only opposed to America because the US is annoying them all the time.

[@JohnCleary-d4i]

In the Age of Abundance our requirements for Govern Ments is dramatically reduced

[@Dr.FahMofid]

#freejulianassange

[@tom-kz9pb]

Julian Assange needs to be judged on the distinction between a "civil disobedience action" vs a "whistleblower". If you break law as a civil disobedience action, you do not expect to be exempt from legal penalties, simply because you did a "good" thing in your own estimation. You expect to voluntarily accept the penalties as a sacrifice that you make. It is not automatic exoneration because you claim to tell "the truth" and feel that the public has a "right to know". As a consequence of your actions, intelligence sources might be compromised, leading to their death, or to loss of other, vital intelligence information that affects national security. If you are revealing information about illegal activities that are a violation of the Constitution, then you are a more bona fide "whistle-blower", who should be covered under whistle-blower protections. Julian Assange seems more problematic in this regard than, say, Edward Snowden. Not to mention that Assange has a whiff of suspicious odor as a possible Putin stooge, whose "martyrdom" is promoted by Russian trolls, with the Left being "played" by forces beyond their depth.

[@ΚωνσταντίνοςΤαμπάκης-ζ2π]

Navalny of the West

[@echtaussehenderfischkopf762]

4:15 Zizek's remark on a 'deal' with big U.S. newspapers (which should redact and black sensitive information before the releases of leaks) is misleading. WL started 2006/07 as a platform for 'an uncensorable system for untraceable mass document leaking' (self-description from 2010). That meant: many of the leaks were published firstly on Wikileaks' websites, and not always in cooperation with newspapers, so the documents included not just informants' names, but also other sensitive personal information like social security numbers, medical information, credit card numbers, and even details of suicide attempts - they were NOT ALWAYS carefully redacted / blacked before release (as Zizek suggests) - which is probably justifiable for the good and necessary thing of transparency and clarification of war crimes etc. It's horrible we live in a world where the US government constructs a 175-year-case out of this. But concerning journalistic standards Wikileaks had an inconsistent editorial policy, management was too much relying on Assange himself, its advisory board was purely informal and didn't even meet regularly (which comittee is Zizek speaking about?). I'm not creating myths, read what Daniel Domscheidt-Berg and many others from WL team have written on such cases of criticism. Sadly, this important criticism is completely overshadowed on the scandalous treatment of Assange in the last few yrs...

[@muomu]

如果阿桑奇不是去挑战美国，那么美国会保护他，现实就是这样，充满着双重标准

[@carinarilk89]

Die USA? Die Imperialisten? Die wollen immer nur Kriege. Das Land gehört den Indianer, die leben aber in Reservate. Sie provozieren, erfinden falsche Tatsachen um zu ATTACKIEREN. Immer der gleiche Ablauf, immer TÖTEN. Demnächst Russland, dann China, so gehen die vor. Die Waffenindustrie macht 300% Gewinne. Das Land ist aber am Arsch, Menschen müssen in Zelten leben. Super oder? Assange hat uns gezeigt, was die NATO - ANERICA tut. Denk darüber nach