Does Tiger Drop ACTUALLY Negate All Damage?

[@SnowiestAngeman]

As you can see, it would seem I seemingly say see a lot throughout the video. I mean I'm not wrong you CAN see it

[@chickensurfer]

Hello Mr angry man snowing

[@SnowiestAngeman]

@@chickensurfer hello chickensurfer that is a cool name and profile picture

[@screamsinrussian5773]

@@SnowiestAngeman my bad i looked away for a sec can you do all that all over again

[@Shy_Abi]

Kratos has no chance of beating Heihachi Mishima. ...Wait, he's dead? Eh, my point still stands.

[@cheaperying5672]

I had a severe stroke trying to read this. How do I sue some random yakuza nerd on the internet?

[@umbrella1556]

i dont think kratos could beat kiryu in mahjong

[@toastervision8230]

Or the disco

[@umbrella1556]

@@toastervision8230 or shogi

[@NikiNorn]

Or karaoke

[@Yorigami32X]

he might just beat him in fishing though

[@TarezpNg-wn7zd]

@umbrella1556 Be patient with kratos, he doesn’t know what a cellphone is and has no idea what mortals do for “ fun” like plying mahjong (yokoyama if you are make mahjong completely optional to get the platinum /100% complete reward and I will unconditionally support you in life and the afterlife )

[@SonicKick]

Counter Kick negates all damage

[@commanderdemonno9819]

akiyama beats kratos, then

[@detect-henlo]

tiger drop negates all sex

[@nishikiyamareaction]

tiger drop negates 10 years in the joint

[@livenishikireaction]

​@@nishikiyamareactionimpossible

[@nishikiyamareaction]

@@livenishikireaction no way

[@Blue-vs6fj]

@@nishikiyamareaction real

[@neon_844]

HOW MANY FUCKING NISHIKIS ARE THERE

[@E-Man_B-Boy]

Tiger Drop negates all arguments

[@queuedjar4578]

It's the heat death of the universe. Black holes have long since absorbed all matter and light throughout all of space time. The only thing left is Kiryu Kazuma, tiger dropping the last black hole raging at the center of the dead universe, unable to consume his matter because tiger drop negates all damage. The black hole eventually is defeated, apologizes, and gives Kiryu a bronze plate.

[@gaming_theswag2634]

A nuke drops and Kiryu decides to Komaki Parry it

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

"Su-sumimasen!!!"

[@alejandropulidorodriguez9723]

as kiryu becomes the provoker of the next universe cycle, a little guitar riff can be heard as he looks up

[@queuedjar4578]

@@alejandropulidorodriguez9723 rolling eyes FAAAAAALLLLL

[@giornogiovanna4833]

Too many words, tiger drop negates all damage 🔥🔥🔥

[@Adrian_M.G]

A nuclear Bomb:

[@Vabdlc]

CATHY!!!!

[@1221-o7e]

​@@Adrian_M.GTiger Drop:

[@Adrian_M.G]

@@1221-o7e a literall AA12 withh 20 Drum on and birdshot

[@БруноБуччелати-н6б]

Come to me, Catherine! Tear me assunder, let me see your eyes as I expire.

[@n00bz4breakfa2t]

Komaki would somehow find his way into the god of war universe and teach Kratos the Tiger Drop.

[@BeyondTheZenith]

I hate the fact that an attack like "Tiger Drop" looks like an attack that would appear in God of War 3 Definitely not modern GOW tho

[@n00bz4breakfa2t]

@@BeyondTheZenith True

[@heksevillehero]

​@Fenrigalo Well, it could be an unarmed attack he could learn, or a special shield that let's him Tiger Drop but not allow him to block

[@fifofuko1864]

Things Kratos is better at: -Being angry (?) Things Kiryu is better at: -Karaoke -Pocket circuit racing -Erotic voice acting -Real estate -Cabaret club management -Pizza delivery -Being a mascot -Hairline …

[@mitiao1993shwake]

its crazy how kiryu's hairline gets BETTER as he ages

[@extremesubtlety]

Oh another one for kiryu: being a dad Kratos had his arc but kiryu got the hang of it a lot more quickly

[@DrunkGnu]

cherry picking type shit, I fear

[@Ilikebugs2464]

​@@DrunkGnu Tiger drop

[@Joan-jq5ho]

Not the Hairline counterpoint

[@flock657]

I cannot wait for the "Yagami's total annihilation of Kiryu EXPLAINED" and the montage of Yagami being thrown around in the Legend Gauntlet for most of the video

[@JoshGolus]

The craziest thing I found accidentally about Tiger Drop is that you can parry Mine's healing pelvis thrust in Yakuza 3. I was so dumbfounded when I did it that I forgot to record it, but may God strike me down if I'm lying.

[@screamsinrussian5773]

"Mine's healing pelvis thrust" was not a sentence I was prepared to hear bruh

[@Zoomii5]

Yea people do that in no damage videos all the time

[@fabioribeiro4627]

Isn't it the Komaki Parry?

[@alternatejamey4050]

Well, I think just counts that thrust as an attack, thus both counters work on the startup

[@azzypics]

Why didn't Mine use that on Daigo

[@yinakiyama]

Kiryu and Kratos having a dad moment together would be cool. Just 2 dads hanging out.

[@H2ORaccoon]

Just watching their kids while standing next to each other having some brewskis

[@yinakiyama]

@@H2ORaccoon Kratos would drink wine like in that scene with him and Atreus while Kiryu would probably drink some Whiskey with an ice ball in his glass.

[@SillyGnome]

Friendship with “Tiger drop negates all damage” has ended. Now “Komaki parry negates all damage” is my friend

[@Tybell702]

You know, of all the video topics to do on Yakuza, I did not expect an in depth analysis of the tiger drop and if it actualy does negate all damage

[@SnowiestAngeman]

I must educate the people (but in reality I actually wanted to investigate myself so I thought I would make a video on it)

[@Tybell702]

@@SnowiestAngeman he must spread the word of the tiger drop

[@apurpledragon]

The Tiger Drop does exist in the first 2 games and works like how it does in 5, 0, and Kiwami.

[@Powerstrike368]

The funny thing about yakuza game logic is that its so fuckass insane that the more you look into it, the more kiryu could genuinely fell gods by just applying any of the logic behind his strength. Mfer could just watch a god do something go “holy shit” then just do it himself

[@alonso1075]

Kiryu coping Kratos fighting style(s) would be hilarious lmaoo

[@thegreatTBA]

That's rad!

[@drool3616]

Yakuza 5 wasn't the first game to have I-frames on Tigerdrop, Yakuza 1/2 was. I believe the Kenzan counter also gave I-frames. Honestly, I think in Yakuza 3/4 they maybe wanted to nerf it a bit? Or maybe they just forgot about it having I-frames entirely.

[@VicerimusMortem]

Yeah I think it might've been 3/4 for some reason having no i-frames for the counters

[@muhammeterdemakbulut]

in yakuza 3, they tried to nerf Kiryu combat and buff enemy combat and you know how that turned out, yakuza 4 was completely based on yakuza 3 it's just they removed the enemy block bs, other than those games all yakuza games kiryu in, his tiger drop negates all damage as intended

[@coolman6139]

​@@muhammeterdemakbulutenemy block bs is in yakuza 3 remastered not original version of game on ps3.

[@Hamzaxx369]

Yeah in Yakuza 1 and 2 you have alot of i-frames, and no attack can ever hit you when you tiger drop

[@drool3616]

​@@coolman6139not true at all, Yakuza 3 has blocking issues on the original as well.

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

Okay. But can the Tiger Drop negate the Infinite Cancer damage? I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!

[@ogPunkcln]

Kiryu just didn't try Tiger-Dropping the cancer cells in his body. Maybe he should've asked Komaki about such technique.

[@DragoonCenten]

Technically, since the Tiger Drop works when receiving damage, and cancer is constant damage, Kiryu gets to Tiger Drop whenever he wants.

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

@@DragoonCenten that would be the perfect excuse for they to add the Tiger Drop as a Skill for Dragon of Dojima in LAD 8.

[@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312]

I mean. I think Date said “if anyone can beat cancer it’s the dragon of Dojima” Then he started getting stronger and recovering from his cancer, AND you unlock Komaki knock back which is weaker Tiger drop. So you could argue that he CAN recover with Tiger drop

[@gaming_theswag2634]

Kiryu forgot to Komaki Parry

[@joshuamccowat8461]

I come from the future, a whole 35 minutes in the future. No Judgement 3 yet sadly ☹

[@KaleBennett]

Yakuza Mythbusters

[@SnowiestAngeman]

Kale how does it feel to have a badge Kale doesn’t it feel good ooooo you want to give me more money ooOoOOOoo

[@KaleBennett]

@@SnowiestAngeman

[@Laserfilth]

I recently started playing the franchise (though I've been a fan from the sidelines for longer) and just beat Kiwami 1, I'm loving going through your variety of RGG vids (i have a feeling like your research and notes regarding certain abilities/etc are gonna save me from a loooot of headaches). thanks for your hard work putting these together!!

[@tomasgill935]

Fuck (Character) Beats (Character), all my homies love characters bonding over shared experiences

[@BeyondTheZenith]

"Hello Viper from Titanfall 2" "Hello Kai Leng from Mass Effect 2" *shaking hands in edgy redditor*

[@derp3044]

Batman v Superman

[@CrabGonePsycho]

I love videos that are comparative across multiple games. It creates a really interesting discussion about series-long traditions to see what exactly changes across the games.

[@JaylenKiwami]

In yakuza 1 you get the tiger drop by doing komaki's training I figured it was common knowledge considering its... The Same in Kiwami

[@SnowiestAngeman]

Yeah but it's in Japanese and I can't even read English so cut me some slack 🗣️

[@JaylenKiwami]

@@SnowiestAngeman kind of real ngl

[@VicerimusMortem]

​@@SnowiestAngeman use yakuza 1 restored :OOO

[@matek1704]

​@@SnowiestAngeman10 years denier smh

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

I think the reason Kratos v Kiryu sticks around so much is because they're perfect opposites in ludonarrative dissonance. Kratos is exceptionally hyped up and borderline unstoppable in lore, but can feel like a normal person in non scripted gameplay, especially in the modern games that have him constrained by the terrain very often. Kiryu is just a guy, and mostly acts like one in cutscenes, but is very powerful in gameplay, and that power has steadily bled into his narrative treatment and overall reputation. _(my favourite example of this is the Yakuza stageplay, which has Kiryu pause the performance to heal in the middle of a fight)_ A god with the reputation of a man, and a man with the reputation of a god. Kratos sadly doesn't stand a chance against Judgement Kazzy, but it is fun to pretend that the matchup could be fair

[@bobby_browntown]

hello yakzua youtuber

[@SnowiestAngeman]

Hello Yakuza KZbin watcher

[@chonkplatinum69]

Hello Yakuza youtuber and a fellow Yakuza youtuber watcher

[@memerboi7128]

I bet you’re from the Shimano family. You yakooza!

[@gvgkid]

I can confirm that Tiger Drop can still whiff completely in Dragon Engine-games. Specifically, Kaito's Drop Kick flies right over it and even punishes it. Good on you, Kaito, for mastering the Tiger Drop Dropping Drop Kick.

[@ethan82714]

Yakuza 3: hyper armor frame 0 to 22. Yakuza 4: hyper armor frame 0 to 22. Yakuza 5: invincibility frame 0 to 22. Yakuza 0 (brawler counter hook): invincibility frame 0 to 35. Yakuza 0 (legend iron fist counter): invincibility frame 0 to 24. Yakuza Kiwami: invincibility frame 0 to 22. Yakuza 6: The Song of Life Yakuza Kiwami 2: hyper armor frame 3 to 5, invincible frame 0 to 5. Judgement: invincible frame 0 to 5. Lost Judgement (Crane): invincible frame 0 to 5. Lost Judgement (Tiger): hyper armor frame 6 to 17, invincibility frame 0 to 6. Yakuza 6 is the same as Kiwami 2

[@travoiscool]

im not gonna sugarcoat it 🔥🔥

[@Alinanonymous]

just for your peace of mind, super/hyper armor is a pretty fighting-game wide term, but is usually shortened to just armor. in tekken they call it a power crush for some reason.

[@Sophie_the_Sapphic]

I just want to say yes tiger drop is in 1&2 but not in kenzan. Though there is a sword counter in that game you could have tested

[@danielnguyen2873]

1:27 It's called "Komaki School Counter" in the ps2 games btw. It's unlocked the same way in 1 as Kiwami(komaki ofc) and I think for 2 it's the acupuncture clinic in Shinseicho.

[@hamshake4946]

2:30 i think i enter wrong universe here, anyways im glad kiryu got added in tekken

[@derp3044]

Smash bros

[@littletroggo3779]

You're definitely onto something with how tiger drop works in dragon engine. I've had a lot of times where I landed tiger drop and got hit during recovery. Learned the hard way that tiger drop doesn't negate all damage when the mole's wall jump attack smacked yagami in the head

[@satyamSaha]

The Tiger Drop originated in Yakuza 1

[@yetravellingsonc8372]

"Tiger drop negates all damage" is basically the action game equivalent of "but a billion is a lot of lions"

[@aYtto]

Kiryu and Kratos would have a cookout

[@hiagustres]

No Saejima Tiger Dragon Drop? 😢

[@totalhydration5240]

I had the same exact Kratos argument last night. I said that these kinds of arguments are stupid if you just talk about how OP a character's counter attack is. If all of them rely on counter attack, why would any of them even attack first? Why would they even fight?

[@SnowiestAngeman]

True actually. Kratos could just sit there and not attack and Kiryu would eventually die of old age or something. Easy win

[@LeafGob]

@@SnowiestAngeman Kiryu would taunt inflicting Kratos with rage, forcing him to attack. Easy win.

[@FusionDjango]

@@LeafGob Yakuza bosses most of the time can't be inflicted with rage like regular street enemies so I imagine the same would apply to Kratos

[@vinniekiro]

@@LeafGob but do you really wanna inflict Kratos with *rage* though?

[@thewaytodrown8473]

​@@vinniekiroyour right

[@BnanaDuk]

You are consistently the highest quality Yakuza content creator out there. This video is so in-depth!

[@Hi-Yanto]

Tbh, here I'm thinking it's because RGG put I frames at some games for counters like this

[@amberhernandez]

The bit about Yagami destroying Kiryu in a fight makes me smile, because I recall a modded vs. in the LJ Gauntlet where the Yagami player had to essentially no-hit Kiryu. The person playing was absolutely phenomenal, and while they died a bunch, they eventually won in super stylish fashion. Their showing helped me realise how satisfying a well-played Yagami is to watch, and gave me a goal to work towards. A flawless Yagami rocking Kiryu's shit just makes me absurdly happy lol

[@tempo6793]

Kratos v Kiryu is just like the Superman v Goku argument. They're both so similar that theyd be friends.

[@revolt_4588]

they arent similar tf

[@think8736]

@@revolt_4588 yeah kiryu would win

[@memerboi7128]

@@think8736Kratos watching Kiryu eat a three course meal and some alcohol during a fight:

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

​@@memerboi7128 Kiryu watching Kratos being the main reason for the deaths of all of his loved ones (suddenly he realises he's not the only idiot to do that)

[@malacara1335]

Supes wins easy tho.

[@chi6423]

thank u im arguing that kiryu could beat godzilla and that point about countering amons flame attack just saved me 😭🙏

[@hidden4196]

as someone who moveset mods for dragon engine from time to time i can confirm the tiger drop (and all equivalent versions) make the player unhittable for a few frames during the moves. however after the attack lands the unhittable status isnt active and thats why you can get knocked out of the move after landing it i cant comment on the other engine games since im not familiar with them however

[@DarshanBhambhani]

I hate it so fucking much that after googling vincible is indeed a word people use

[@Mr.ANDERSONYOURASCAL]

To be fair, in kiwami you could tiger drop an enemy wiping their ass in osaka, my point being that the trigger range was a thing of beauty in on itself

[@janreiafrica]

2:33 For Smash, there's two types of armor: Super armor and Hyper armor. Super armor has a limit on the amount of damage received, but Hyper armor does not. However, both still receives damage.

[@toysipo2579]

The flashbangs aren't allowed to interact with you again until the cooldown on the blind debuff comes back. You know how you can only stun enemies sometimes in YK2? There's a cooldown until you can stun them again. This applies to all kinds of statuses actually, and also to Kiryu.

[@adoptedmoth]

I once Tiger Dropped Someya’s counterattack but despite landing the Tiger Drop and doing damage Someya didn’t get interrupted and hit Kiryu, who got staggered in the middle of the animation

[@Antonhannel]

As far as I am aware every Amon in 5 ignore your invincibility during counter and actually damage you. I think I saw it in some No Damage video but I can't recall in what exactly

[@boinkboinky2074]

but in the end i feel like this video itself is kinda pointless because yeah if youre tiger dropping someone and someone else hits you then you take damage but the person you tiger dropped doesnt hit you then its all good, and since he would be 1v1 anyways then thats fine besides kiwami tiger drop is the only tiger drop

[@idiooh66]

Yakuza Kiwami's counter hook for the brawler doesn't have the invincible effect like in Y0 but given to the Tiger Drop instead so, you take damage whatever they hit you just to stun your opponent.

[@Hataliano]

13:56 Every gangsta 'til Makoto gets in danger.

[@hilario2556]

kratos with tyger drop would be pretty funny

[@DarkkirbyKRPG]

A bit to mention is that in Kiwami 1, because the Tiger Drop is back, they made Counter Hook (retooled into Lightning Fist) have super armor but take damage, which is how the Tiger Drops in Y3 and 4. A nerf overall but understandable because otherwise Lightning Fist would objectively be better than Tiger Drop since it also electrocutes the enemy. Anyway Kiryu, Yagami and Akiyama can solo Kratos confirmed.

[@hapi4714]

For Yakuza 3 and 4 specifically, im pretty sure a lot of no damagers don't bother with Tiger Drop, or if they do, its only for specific attacks or timing their counter on specific frames to ensure they don't take damage part way through lmao (Ibrahimovich No Damage runs are a good showcase of this)

[@Calhasnopals]

Big fan of Mythbusters: Yakuza Edition. Would love to see more experiments like this

[@pepexp2]

That's a really deep Konrami wishful orcasm

[@ClintOrlando]

For Ishin, you do take damage if you Tiger Drop. I can vouch for it by the number of times I landed it and still took damage

[@sushiifoxx]

this is why I'm on youtube; thank you for you service.

[@tigerdropfilms]

Mr. Tiger Drop here, you could've asked me if the tiger drop negates all damage!!! But seriously, great video man!!

[@1chibanKasuga]

4 days into the future no news of judgment 3 judges

[@SnowiestAngeman]

This is upsetting news

[@jonandewey5367]

In Y6 and K2 I’ve tiger dropped fat enemies who are doing the “Jump in the air and come down with both fists” move, and all though the TD connected, I still got hit and staggered

[@theultimatebusta]

By the way, nice job counter kicking the knockdown reversal. That has barely a window to land it

[@sparkfuse1379]

Hear me out then Can he beat goku vs Tiger drop negate any dmg Unstoppable force vs immovable wall

[@Whodjathink]

This just proves why Akiyama is THE best character

[@DonVecta]

Which proves us that Akiyama's leg counter is heavily underrated and extremely powerful (the window for the counter move is too small, tho, so the timing has to be perfect). With that said, shall we consider that Saejima's headbutt counter is also fully invincible as well?

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Bro gave 0 love to Dragon Drop:(

[@TheAvgCrusader]

I think you've glossed over one very important point that completely (probably not) shatters your entire video Doing a SECOND Tiger Drop

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Lmao, forget that Twist Counter and Komaki Parry all the way Bro better hope Kiryu doesn't use "step back + evade attack" to stun him and slap his bald ah back to PS2 era

[@chewiedog1]

This video feels targeted lol

[@chewiedog1]

love it btw

[@vinegar4556]

Kiryu Vs. OG trilogy Kratos is what I really want to see.

[@dissobiscuit]

R1 + /\ negates all damage and R1 + O Beast style will hug kratos and kill him Not sugarcoating it + skill issue + ratio + lack of real estate revenue

[@Zetsuboulurkswithin]

Kiwami 1 had the most frustrating Tiger drop to use I swear.. especially when it came to Mad dog style Majima as well as Jo Amon.. and unfortunately the Komaki parry didn't really have any good follow up because of how short that stun duration was.. Honestly the whole Dragon style in Kiwami 1 just did not live up to the hype unlike the previous games..

[@coolpizzacook]

Kiwami 1 tiger drop was one of the easiest to proc in my experience. I never dropped as many tigers in the other games as I did in that one.

[@HollowGolem]

​@@coolpizzacookI think it's because enemy attack animations went on for longer, and so you could just flee in the middle of mojima spinning like a top or whatever and get a free tiger drop

[@commanderdemonno9819]

you know what, here's a better argument now that it's mentioned in like the first minute of the video how good of friends would kratos and kiryu be?

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

The Tiger Drop doesn't negate all damage in my hands, since I mistime it 3/4ths of the time lol.

[@friedteto]

Come to thunk about it why kiyru didn't Tiger Drop his cancer?, is he stupid?

[@gamingmonkey821]

Kiryu watching Kratos starting throwing hes axe : 😭

[@VascoHiro]

Kiryus r1 + circle move is better than tigerdrop, way too easy to land, and you get s

[@Ticketman99]

All you have to do in PS2 Yakuza 1 is do all Komaki training, while in 2, after fighting the tigers, you go to the massage parlor in Shinseicho and choose I think the most expensive course. But...I think you should put Kratos vs Sosuke "I Tiger Drop random gusts of wind for fun" Komaki lmao

[@Nox83394]

In Kiwami 1, you can Tiger drop Amon’s grenade throw. I don’t know how I did it. I don’t know how it was possible

[@stale_cheeto]

For the record, OG1 and OG2's tiger drops negate damage, and they were actually the first ones to have invulnerability.

[@DiginauterZockt]

Just finished Kiwami 1 Legend and you can 10000% get hit by the same attack youre countering

[@54nbb35]

kaito's counter hook is just like k1that gives you super armor and defend but no i frame

[@vsacsa5700]

Twist Counter , Komaki Parry rn : 💀💀💀

[@ItsDanbo]

Kratos is not invulnerable to heat action animations

[@ono-micho]

8:09 very late but uh you can fight saigo (the training guy in y4) and sodachi (that one guy also from four you met after saejima gets out of purgatory)

[@YBluSorcery]

Twist Counter negates all damage

[@Hezzadude12]

Tiger damage negates all drop

[@skrillex1498]

Twist counter doesn't care about I-frames

[@MarioTainaka]

Well, I learned something new today. You're too good at this stuff. It's like you were an accountant in a past life or something 😂

[@camocamel8217]

Counter hook in Kiwami actually lacks I-frames

[@unoriginalnamehere0893]

The tiger drop (at least in kiwami 2 I never tried in yakuza 6) does not have I frames throughout ALL the animation seeing as how tiger dropping a rocket launcher will still hurt you no matter how you time it oh and in gaiden tiger dropping a shotgun also doesn’t get negated and in fact beats tiger drop

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Tatsuya with Ancient Martial Arts/Extreme Fortitude using the reversal mechanic would beat both

[@bvdf84]

from a SERIOUS standpoint, the tiger drop, payback strike, shoryuken and similar moves only make you invincible or makes you reflect damage for gameplay purposes that doesn't work the same way in the canon so if we are to take into account the gameplay part of the characters, kiryu can 100% destroy kratos

[@kingkaizoku85]

Kratos dodge roll has i-frames, etc. etc. There are a bunch of moves where any character is invincible in most games usually. Aside from that, a tiger drop only works in close range. Kratos could just stay at a distance like he does 90% of the time anyway.

[@boke3307]

Might be misremembering this but I think counter hook in kiwami didn't have i-frames? Unsure tbh

[@bebrasmachnayq5691]

Kaito bomb punch deals lot of damage but u just have super armour during it, you know if u played the DLC

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

I need my judgement 3 bros, i can't help but see Yagami as more of a successor to kiryu than ichiban

[@getjelly8768]

Hello Mr Angyman

[@SnowiestAngeman]

Hello getjelly8768 I hope by jelly you mean american jam because I enjoy jam

[@galinmeric2149]

the kaito rocket deals true damage.

[@Soroosh.S83]

You are wrong the earliest game that had tiger drop was Yakuza 2 ps2, thry never mentioned how to unlock it and I used cheatcode at the end of the game to unlock it. (I think there was some sort of magazine that you gotta find and read or maybe there is that sega mini game that was first person call y06 or smthing (I'm not sure about 1 but I'm sure 2 had it)