Does YOUR System Have Value?

Addressing the question of whether "every martial art has value." Specifically, whether they have value in a fight.
Special thanks to Metrolina Martial Arts for letting me film in their gym. Any opinions are not necessarily shared or endorsed by Metrolina Martial Arts.
Metrolina Martial Arts' channel: / @metrolinamartialarts
Twitter: / armchairviolenc

[@kingartifex]

He isn't the martial arts youtuber we need, he's the one we deserve.

[@mathieucharette6511]

Yes. We are entitled to enlightenment 😂😂🤣

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

I think that you got it backwards. We need him, but we don't deserve him.

[@kingartifex]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 its from batman the dark knight...

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@kingartifex i know, but on this case you had to say it backwards! Would have fit more

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 The martial arts community needs someone that is kind and encouraging. But they deserve sarcasm and criticism. And, thus, I was sent down as the avatar of violence. To punish mankind for their martial sins.

[@GluttonforPunishment]

I was one of those dorks that argued in the Martial Arts section of Yahoo Answers and made a lot of the same points you do in many of your videos. Now that you’re here making the same points on KZbin I wish I had the same idea back then lol

[@deansander441]

Totally agree man, I did TKD and Karate for 14 years growing up. I tell people to avoid them and do kickboxing and wrestling instead. They’ll get all the good stuff Karate has to offer and more in a fraction of the time. Sure good TKD and Karate exist but it’s a needle in a haystack, where as it’s hard to find bad wrestling and kickboxing.

[@katokianimation]

If you learn 3 kicks from youtube and practice it live durring kick box sparring, your karate will be better then karate

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

It's easier to find a good Karate school than a good TKD school tho

[@Rex-golf_player810]

I think tkd and karate can be good for fighting if you cross train and focus more on the stuff that is actually applicable in fighting But also kickboxing and wrestling and mma classes essentially do that as well lol

[@nicholaskarras2759]

@@jaketheasianguy3307 most karate Gyms nowadays ARE taekwondo gyms unfortunately, they just count in japanese instead of korean and do katas not poomsae. They train the exact same regiments, and moves, with the same methodology, they even do TKD point sparring. The chances youll find a karate dojo is is about the same as actually finding a good TKD school, they just change the branding to appeal to different markets. Its probably true that easier to find a "good" (good meaning in terms of combat sports, not as in the value of other aspects like competiton tkd or karate which have merits just not fighting) karate school though, at least they will still brand themselves as karate and if you go in its a toss up whether its karate or not, good TKD schools will be run by a guy who probably did TKD sometime in the earlie 90s or earlier, trained real competitively, who brands his gym as kickboxing(probably dutch style) and he wont offer TKD classes you will just happen to organically find out he used to do TKD back when TKD was cool and you ask him to give you some private lessons. You may think this is anecdotal or just a one off story but this is basically the framewrok I hear every time I hear someone talk about finding a good TKD school.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

@@nicholaskarras2759 the different is there are multiple styles of Karate and there are styles that's better than the other. Like most Shotokan places are indeed daycare like TKD but it rarely happen in a Goju dojo, Kyokushin dojo, Kudo dojo....that's what i mean good karate place are easier to find. Just google Kyokushin dojo near where i live, done. That's not to say all Shotokan places are bad, like if i live near Machida brother dojo, i will join it right instant without thinking. TKD on the other hand, it's freakin hard because good TKD place = places where they teach power era stuffs, and finding those places among the tippy tappy foot fencing TKD places is like finding needle in the haystack.

[@redshurikenrlsh1951]

I got to start selling some Tactical Chi Eye-gouging Kata.

[@sirusd.mankey1838]

Every damn time I watch your vids I forget to stop them before the end and now I’ll be walking around work all week singing that end credit song 😡 ITS SO CATCHY.

[@wildys6]

I think the whole "it has value" comes from what you look for. Is it valuable for a fight? fck no. Is it fun to do tho? ab-so-lutely. I think they mix up what kind of value people are on about. Plus it's some good self-righteous lying to themselves "yeah i'm a bad-ass" doctrine that ends up being spouted during classes for bull-shi-do classes. As long as my teacher is honest about what he's teaching (eg thaiboxing, karate, something else,...) being just that, the sport, I think that's the value of it. (obligatory me no native english sorry for bad english)

[@marcusstoica]

The scary thing is that many legitimate schools can turn into mcdojos and you wouldn't even notice. Well, you would, but that's only when you are surrounded with black belts that continue to get weaker, slower, and more out of shape, and the new students are more of the same, and like to bicker about the effectiveness of one art over the other. I'm a big proponent of the idea that you are only as good as the people you train with.

[@samnaghavi9775]

I have a video suggestion: before signing up in martial art gym what to ask the instructor or what to look for to judge whether that gym is good or not.

[@thothtahuti5509]

glad to hear there's a full version, i get your outro stuck in my head all the time ::)

[@thefightknight5881]

So when is the full version of the outro song gonna drop?

[@TheMylittletony]

I practiced kung fu for about 2 years, from about 15 to 17. It wasn't much in the way of fighting, simply because we spent most of the time working on techniques with barely any live drilling or sparring and doing forms (what you would call kata in karate). BUT...those forms gave me flexibility, focus, work ethic, and most important of all: it taught me 'how to learn'. Taking one of those complicated kata apart step by step, learning and drilling each step one by one, correcting mistakes, etc really had its benefits. I switched to bjj and kickboxing after 2 years, and the kung fu training had its benefits. Would I have learned more/faster if I went to the kickboxing gym right away? Maybe, maybe not. But that wasn't an option in the first place. I lived pretty much in the middle of nowhere, and didn't have the opportunity to go to the kickboxing and bjj gym until I got my drivers license at 18. The kickboxing place wasn't the best, but we always got about 20-30 minutes of free training time. You could hit the bag, pads, spar, etc. I learned a lot of techniques from online instructionals (thank you Bas Rutten!), and I applied the way we practiced kata to learning kickboxing. And it worked. I still use the same principles today when teaching others.

[@katidaniel]

Loved the video. Thank you for the brutal honesty!

[@CombatSelfDefense]

This is another one I need to be constantly sharing with my audience

[@Swordsman_HEMMA]

If you're talking about JUST fighting, then you're 100% right. And you already more or less answered everything I'm going to say with your 'pretty black skirt aikido' comment. But, let's take a look at the definition of a "martial art": "Martial arts are codified systems and traditions of combat practiced for a number of reasons such as self-defense; military and law enforcement applications; competition; physical, mental, and spiritual development; entertainment; and the preservation of a nation's intangible cultural heritage" There's a lot of different applications there that have nothing to do with self-defense or fighting in a cage. For example, I take BJJ and Muay Thai for self-defense, but I also take HEMA because it teaches me a lot about history, has good competitions, and most importantly, it's just fun. Someone taking Aikido or Wing Chun might be useless in the UFC, but what if they want to learn moves that just look cool so they can get a career as a stunt choreographer? What if someone is taking Tai Chi because they have a cultural connection or want to stay limber in their older years? That said, there are a couple that are still worthless even with this in mind. Looking at you, Systema and Keysi.

[@perebonet5909]

Other HEMA practicioner here, and i was going to make the same comment. Do I practice a swordfight system because I think some day i'll need to defend myself with a sword? Absolutely no. It's all about to recreate and restore a lost knowledge from the past, to understand how it worked. And also it's fun as hell. It is a martial art? Yes, totally (by definition more than some of the actual sport combats) Do i get valuable knowledge from it? A big yes. Comprehension of a lost way of fighting. It works? It is tested? In the context of the competitions and sparring time, totally yes. It'll will make me a better fighter in the modern context, in real life. No, i don't think so. But, the thing is, I don't think the last point invalidate all the previous ones. I totally understand the point of view of your video, and it's reasonable. But sometimes it seems to me that you can be a little narrowminded about the objectives of practicing any kind of martial art, only thinking about combat value, and nothing else. And yes, is one of the bit reasons of learning MA, but maybe not the only one. I don't know you but, i've been living for 37 years without being assalted, and i expect to keep it like this, so... maybe i'm not so worried about knowing the most useful selfdefense training. Anyways, i like quite a lot your content. Keep the good work!

[@PaladinJackal]

"If you're talking about JUST fighting, then you're 100% right. " That's literally what he said

[@cargocultmartialarts]

+1 for the "fun"

[@Riot076]

I'd say HEMA as the "go-to martial art" is useless,but unlike aikido or wing chun it can actually give you some good foundations if you decided to pick up sth more practical later. 'Cause like most of other practical martial arts it puts huge emphasis on timing,footwork,distance management and also sparring. And sure all of those things look a bit different in other martial arts,but I think it's easier to adjust and tweak certain things than to learn them from the ground up as totally new skills. That being said,I've never done HEMA,but I always wanted to give it a go and that's just my general impression of it from the perspective of someone who's been doing boxing for a few months now

[@Riot076]

Also - if you're used to being hit and poked with a blunt/synthetic sword,even through a fencing mask and padding,I think you're tolerance to punches,even without padding would be far greater than someone's who's only been doing flow drills all the time

[@scottt7309]

Great video. Really wasn't sure where you were going with the video but glad I watched.

[@Noslack412]

Did Aikido for a year. It gave me an advantage in judo and bjj for the sole purpose of already experienced in taking falls, doing rolls, and having wrist lock knowledge during the ground game. But thats literally it after a year.

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

Did you enjoy doing it?

[@Noslack412]

@@leonardomarquesbellini Yes but not as much as Judo and BJJ. There's no sparring or resistance in Aikido. It is fun, but more of a hobby than anything else.

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

@Noslack412 not everything in life should be done expecting to get concrete benefits out of it. It's good to just do things that you find fun too.

[@Noslack412]

@@leonardomarquesbellini That's true, but Judo and BJJ are more fun to me because I get live resistance to test myself and push myself to the breaking point. Aikido is for someone with no desire to do that.

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

@Noslack412 oh yeah, different things for different people. I've only ever practiced things that are geared towards competition like boxing and BJJ, arts that are generally held to be "better", at least for fighting for real, and it's very common to see fellow practitioners going off against things like Karate, Aikido or Wing Chun because they're "play fighting" or how people that practice them are wimps and not "real fighters" or whatever. But in my experience of all the people I know that practice those kind of martial arts none of them live under the illusion that they're amazing fighters because of it, they just train what they train because they love it. I think that's honestly the most valid reason someone CAN have for picking up a martial art, unlike the guys I see at my boxing gym gloating about their super practical skills they can use in ring fights (that they'll never actually fight in) or in the streets (in scenarios they'll never be in). It's one thing to call out grifters that are trying to sell ineffective things to people that are looking for effective martial arts and just don't know better, but people overstate that into essentially bullying others for having hobbies different from their own.

[@rawjoe]

Years of training in WT taekwondo helped me once. I trained only for sports and tkd competitions but I guess all those years of practicing dodging and counter kicking helped my body to react. A guy rushed towards me and my body just reacted with a stomp kick to his chest. Managed to stop him for a second just enough to run away. To this day my brain is not sure what happened, my body just reacted. I think tkd sucks for self defence but again, it helped me one time I was attacked 🤷. I guess nothing works if you don't work. Having misconceptions about your martial art is dangerous, not for others but for yourself. Be realistic and honest with it.

[@MarcosAG90]

Well, but you successfully applied TKD for self defense lol I wouldn't say your training was worthless

[@rawjoe]

@@MarcosAG90 the thing is I never did stomp kicks, I never learned or practiced them. I guess my reaction was well timed which I practiced a lot in tkd. Anyway it saved my ass from beating or worse

[@Rex-golf_player810]

As a tkd guy i think tkd RELATIVELY isnt that good alone compared to some other MA's for self defense but maybe youve trained in such a way that helps you respond in fights In defense of tkd though spinning back kicks, side kicks, front kicks, and roundhouse kicks are still very good though and tkd at least provides those

[@rawjoe]

@@Rex-golf_player810 we trained heavily for competitions and this was before the electronic point system, so in order to score a point we had to kick hard. I think TKD is great as a sport on its own and by adding a bit of grappling and boxing anyone can make their TKD better for themselves. I even plan on returning to TKD in a couple of months

[@kermit1211]

I mean TKD does do a lot of sparring so your reactions should be on point. Alot of my TKD instincts actually worked really well in my first Kickboxing sparring although I still got dominated by some of the fighters since I didn't have a Boxing game

[@g8trg8tr30]

It is my belief that what happens is these martial arts are sold to people who have one way or another stopped believing in the possibility of they themselves being athletic. There’s simply no getting around the fact that you must be athletic to be competent at fighting. That’s why there’s all this emphasis on technique and how long it takes to “get good”. It’s all designed to assure the practitioner that it isn’t about visual-spatial intelligence, strength, or your energy systems. So in the end you become a martial artist that might have 1 or 2 powerful strikes in isolation and no ability to control the fight or even have proper timing to use those techniques you smash boards with or whatever.

[@katokianimation]

Even the most lazzy, stalling based gi bjj strategy for seniors even with the handles and leverage requires stamina and hip flexiblity and grip strength that count super fit for an old man.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

I wouldn´t necessarily say you have to be athletic. Being strong and having a high pain threshold will be enough in most situations, unless we are talking competition.

[@rexford6260]

I agree with everything said in this video, my expectations have been completely met and my day is now fantastic.

[@alexferrana3979]

Excellent video and good arguments.

[@sunte91]

Solid argument about better/worse returns on your investments of time, energy, money etc 👏🏻

[@quachb]

Lol just found this channel and I've binged almost all the videos, you really goin in on that guy. Hes been in like 5 videos. Love the videos/perspective.

[@ArmchairViolence]

I feel kind of bad for going in on that guy so hard, but that original video was really just a parade of fallacies lol

[@thullraven1]

I think MOST Martial Arts have SOME value depending on what you want to get out of it. One art I trained in was TKD when I was younger. TKD class workouts helped my athleticism aspect and gave me a good cardio workout. Yeah, most of the kicking techniques weren't going to work against an experienced fighter on the street, but because I WAS and AM an experienced fighter from the streets, I know what things work and which don't and adapted my strategy based on my opponent or opponents.

[@KatonRyu]

Krav was very useful to me in determining that to learn how to properly fight I had to get into kickboxing and boxing, which I did because our club also offers those. If it hadn't been for krav, I'd never have taken up the other sports either because I'd never have realized how much I suck at fighting.

[@lucaspanto9650]

Loved the outro

[@jomess7879]

This outro song is fire, someone should request a full version. Do you think he's aware we want one?

[@radicalmma]

Awesome. Love this kid!

[@chabi.senpai]

I do full contact karate being fully aware that the amount of fellow practitioners is tiny, so it's not very competitive, and therefore there's a huge disadvantage against highly competitive combat sports. But I enjoy the history and culture behind it, I enjoy every once in a while drilling obsolete techniques because I have no illusions about them, they're just there for tradition and not utility. Also, to compensate I just add moves from combat sports during sparring even if I won't get the same challenge that would elevate my level sparring against better partners. I also enjoy promoting sparring and talking about how drilling is not a replacement for a fight, while also debunking common myths in martial arts. I believe that's a legitimate value, because not everyone looks for efficacy, I just want to show that karate can be practical when it's free from mystical stuff and pure drilling, and that it just needs to evolve and be more competitive(and maybe someday karatecas won't have to migrate to kickboxing to further their career). So I guess I'd say that very LEGITIMATE system has a value according to each individual's goals as long as these goals are realistic and based on true information. I really enjoy your content but I feel like you put every TMA person in the same bag, and some of us are really trying to keep our training legit fully aware of it's implications.

[@McFlubberpants]

Uh if my system doesn’t have value then why do I spend thousands on it every month? If there was no value then it would be free!

[@danielschulter7182]

Thousands? What the fuck. Who teaches you, Keanu Reeves?

[@McFlubberpants]

@@danielschulter7182 only the most ancient of wise senseis.

[@user-rc8br5sw6j]

@@danielschulter7182 Its thousands in rupees maybe he don't live in the USA

[@64Northern1]

The core component here is that the notion of value is within the assumed context of a fight and/or combat sport. I will hold my hand up as someone who has a sunk cost bias, and can recognize an opportunity cost. I agree that within this context that not every art has significant or sufficient value. When I say that "every art has value" it is in response to the comment "[style] is worthless/doesn't work" without the context, the scope of value is significantly widened to the point that yes, even blatantly fraudulent and cultish schools have value. If you're looking for a welcoming and supporting environment where you can boost your self esteem then Arnold's no-touch Woo Woo School for Young Adults is going to have significant value. Just saying everything has value is as innane as saying something is worthless, there needs to be an agreed upon lens for the discussion before you can move forward

[@ArmchairViolence]

That is very true. That's why I had to start off by saying "in a fight." And I think most of the people that take martial arts haven't even conceptualized what kind of "value" they're looking for, and often take martial arts that don't really match their goals.

[@loganbrown6184]

At the end of the day, people are gonna practice what they want to practice, as they say ignorance is bliss. Which for most people, is correct, a lot of people have never had the experience of getting into a fight, so for a lot of people when they get interested in learning a martial art for some some arts look cool to do and seem easy to learn so they wanna do that, others like a challenge and want that grind, and some just want to learn how to defend themselves. So yes, not Every martial art has value in a fight, but as you stated, if there's value in it for the person more or less they're going to keep doing it. I remember the first day I was training, I was 5 years old, came home with a blackeye from being bullied at school. My uncle took one look at me and started to teach me some boxing, got a little older like around 8-9 learned some Mauy Thai, then around 12-14 I wrestled in school and a tad bit of BJJ from my uncle. There was a point where I took an interest in arts like Kali, Silat, and Wing Chun mainly because it looked cool and two of the arts had some decent weapons skills I could use, now in my honest opinion Kali has a lot of circular movements and through a lot of sparring I can honestly say that not a lot of the moves worked, Wing Chun the only real thing I apply from it is the center line concept at times, and the occasional trap. But do I think Wing Chun and Kali is something I can solely use in a fight? FUCK NO! Lol I still practice those cause they're fun, but I know what works and what doesn't.

[@kyvmanx]

Just for info - Ford model t's were made before they started adding lead to fuel so they run fine on unleaded. That said, as an analogy, I drive a modern car and I have also been lucky enough to have driven a model t. The model t uses a pre standardised control set which was quite dauting to use in the beginning. Once learnt it was absolutely great fun to drive and after a while I could see how some elements of how you have to drive a model t are actually more practical and have value to modern driving so I added those things to my current driving skill set. It'd take a lot longer to master driving the model t and I don't need to do that as I have a modern car. It's also nice to see the evolution first hand (although that's probably a larger subject).

[@rkumar570]

Very informative video. Seen some of your sparring too. But I'm just wondering with the skills you show and the information that you give out on martial arts, self defence and mma, can you take out Marcus Kowal in a fight???

[@ArmchairViolence]

Probably not lol. I'm younger, but I do not have the skills of a pro fighter

[@tsaxondale2499]

@@ArmchairViolence or even an amateur one

[@alLEDP]

I agree with you but the time and cost thing is such an American thing to say 🤷🏻‍♂️ if I like to enjoy my time dressing like an medieval samurai pretending to chop people up with my magical powers it has value to me. And that's what count doesn't it 🤷🏻‍♂️ you should care about your goals and not about the opinions of others. The one thing I always tell people is that they should be HONEST with their goals. But yeah maybe I am to unfunny to understand your point lols

[@nicholasbarros6456]

I practice Kung Fu since 7 years old. My father teaches Kung Fu for 40 years. Nothing, absolute nothing, makes me more angry than bad kung fu (that dont fight or sparr) or Artistic Kung Fu. We here use the acrobatic part of Kung Fu for conditioning and flexibity to fight. We train the tradicional Kung Fu Hung Gar and Sanda / Sanchou and one complement the other. Just a little outburst. I see many fake Kung Fu and that is very sad.

[@frogman4700]

You dissing Kung fu a lot in this video but it can be very practical, look up Shuai Jiao Wrestling (basically short sleeved Judo) or Sanda (a lot like kickboxing but with throws, take downs, and chokes), as well as Stances being a very good tool to teach footwork in particular, and certain lineages like Choy Li Fut having very interesting combat philosophy and theory.

[@justin8865]

Lol that's not kung fu, that's shuai jio wrestling, and sanda.

[@johngr1747]

He did say in 2:05 that he's talking about specific styles

[@frogman4700]

@@justin8865 both are styles of kung fu, which is an umbrella term for Chinese martial arts

[@ArmchairViolence]

When I say kung fu, I typically mean things that advertise themselves as kung fu. Even in the US, Shuai Jiao and Sanda wouldn't advertise themselves as "Kung Fu." Plus, I did specify the worst kinds of kung fu. Mainly so I wouldn't pick on any specific martial art.

[@lihchong2267]

I feel that form-based kung fu systems have value in stuff like footwork and unique moves, but the practice lacks intention for real fights. If it had intention for fighting, it would look like a cross between sanda and hema.

[@acem82]

This guy knows more about Economics than most PhDs.

[@eclipsewrecker]

It’s called ‘the efficiency of training.’

[@BiggityBoggity8095]

@ArmchairViolence Hey man I figured some stuff out. So first of all, whether I was bare knuckle or not only made a small difference. Being bare knuckle felt better because I was used to it more so than the gloves. But it wasn’t a big enough difference to matter. My right hand was still giving me issues. I made sure I was swinging with everything I had in both hands on a variety of punches. No subconsciously holding back. I found that my left hand could withstand all the impact I gave it, it was my right hand that fell short. Specifically on the overhand right. Sometimes on the hook to the body, but primarily on the overhand. At that point I could say with confidence that my right hand was the problem. Why? I had a few ideas. 1, I have Dan-Henderson syndrome. My overhand right is powerful that I’m doomed to hurt my wrist every time I throw it. Clearly that’s not the case although it would heal my fragile ego. 2, my right wrist is weak and I need to do more knuckle ups and pull ups. Better conditioning never hurts but I can’t sign off on this being the issue because it’s exclusive to one hand and one punch. It’s hyper specific. 3, I think I have some kind of injury in my hand. Idk what it is but my body is trying to tell me that my hand is hurt and I haven’t been listening. So I’m irritating the shit out of my hand whenever I throw it in that way. The good news is that I’ve found a new way to throw the overhand that doesn’t hurt my hand. I can throw it full power with no reservations and my hand doesn’t hurt nearly as bad as when I throw the other variations.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Good job! #3 sounds likely. You could try training with a compression sleeve on your wrist. That might stop you from re-injuring it so much, and give it time to heal

[@aronnemcsik]

the uncooked hotdog could be good if you are hungry enough tho...

[@wanabisufi8843]

Here is the thing though: People used to say karate doesn't work, and now it pops up surprisingly often in the UFC as heavily influencing peoples striking style, especially the closing intercepting strikes and non-telegraphic punching. (Some people still say karate still doesn't have anything useful) So are these systems useless or has the context not presented itself yet? Bas Rutten used to say jabs arn't useful to MMA, now jabs are everywhere. People used to think wheel kicks were flashy and useless. Now they are used to control movement against the cage.

[@tjsho417]

It’s a shame what happened to Chinese Martial Arts in the last 100+ years. Before the communist revolution, CMAs used to have full contact sparring involving striking, takedowns and ground game. All that went away with communist government reform.

[@blockmasterscott]

Yeah, that really hurt us big time.

[@johngr1747]

Also coms took out many masters

[@tjsho417]

@@johngr1747 crap.. I hope the same thing doesn’t happen in Russia with Putin and the Dagestani coaches and fighters!!

[@Rex-golf_player810]

Seems like sanda is probably the closest thing to that right now

[@tjsho417]

@@Rex-golf_player810 Sanda is legit. On par with Muay Thai easily. But it’s not really a “CMA”. In fact most of it is borrowed from Muay Thai, Boxing, and Wrestling, and maybe a little TKD. So hardly any “kung fu” really.

[@mohamed-cg9pe]

Now I can tell you you godamn right It's not good to take them it's good to look at them

[@althill7407]

The end card was top tier

[@Arcana437]

Well i dabbled on many martial arts thatvare considered useless ina fight like aikido, taichi etc. I don't train them as much, nor do i train them to be use for fighting, i only practice it to expereince the culture and siscuss some ideas to other practioners

[@rcarfang2]

I get dizzy from using heavy bags attached to the ceiling so I can't do boxing or Muay Thai. I practice Taichi Quan Yang (Hard style) and Krav Maga Kickboxing. Martial arts can have value if it increases your stamina or your core strength.

[@4X1S0F3V1L]

The Ford model T can absolutely run on unleaded gasoline. It's the ethanol that is the issue.

[@253MC]

I love your bluntness and authenticity, you always just say it as it is! We need more people like you. As for which martial arts are “useful”, in general, if you haven’t seen it used consistently in the UFC, it’s probably not worth spending your time and money on. I’m sure there are a few marginal exceptions, but it’s the best rule of thumb imo.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

I would say if you haven´t seen it in the "original" UFC, back before the rule expansions. In the contemporary one, many useful and effective techniques are banned. For instance, stomping or kicking the head of a downed opponent is very effective, as are strikes to the back of the head and neck, but you can´t actually do either of those in the UFC anymore. There bans mostly make sense, but there are far more stupid examples, like 12-6 elbows, or holding your opponent´s clothing (but being able to grab your own). The current UFC is a sport with a lot of silly rules, and should be treated that way.

[@253MC]

@@jirkazalabak1514 Sure, but just because MMA has rules, doesn’t mean that the fighting styles used aren’t useful. You’re much better off learning to wrestle and kick box, than to learn a non-sport oriented martial art that includes stomps and eye gouges etc. etc. It’s easy to teach these techniques to an experienced mixed martial artist, but it’s not easy to teach someone with no competition experience how to fight.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@253MC I am not even talking about eye-gouging or anything extreme like that. The simple fact is that as soon as you introduce a rule, the fighters are going to try and abuse that rule for their own benefit, which will change the way they fight. As an example, if kicking a downed opponent to the head was legal, it would make going for takedowns way more risky. And that´s not even mentioning strikes in the back of the head. Irl, if you push a guy against a wall for a few seconds, trying to take him down, you are almost guaranteed to get hit in the back of your head or neck. Does that mean wrestling doesn´t work? No. but you still need to put it into proper context.

[@253MC]

@@jirkazalabak1514 Yes, I agree. But that doesn’t mean that combat sports aren’t the most useful martial arts. What i was trying to say was that it’s better to make small adjustments to your wrestling/kickboxing etc. for the street, than to spend your time learning a non-combat sport based “street” martial art.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

@@253MC I would say that combat sports make for a solid base of athleticism and skill. In real life though, I would say things like situational awareness, weapons (and improvized weapons) proficiency, de-escalation skills etc. are more important, because these things either prevent you from getting into the fight at all, or give you a huge advantage without much effort. As any good security, police or bodyguard will tell you, the biggest part of the job is keeping your eyes open, and trying to defuse or avoid threats and conflicts before they happen.

[@malkomalkavian]

wait, people say things they don't mean and make up reasons for why they do irrational stuff? oh.

[@YamamotoKazuo]

It does have value just some have more and some have less.

[@Liam1991]

Alongside sparring, which seems to be what you judge a system on, it should also include, •Defense against multiple attackers •Defending against weapons •If legal in your country, learn how to use weapons •Scenario training •De-escalation skills •Awareness training •The pre and post fight •Have some understanding about your country's self defense law, just incase you have to justify your actions in court

[@katokianimation]

If you want to learn how to defend against multiple opponent or weapons you should train with gun instead of doing combat sports. No hand 2 hand system ever proven to be reliable against it. And why would you want legal advice from a fitness instructor? If we want everything from one person we will just get scam artists who claim to know everything. And they are safe to claim everything bc statistically speaking it is very unlikely their students will be ambushed. Even if, they wont report. Waste of time, if your martial art includes larping with fake weapons, you suck at fighting.

[@Rex-golf_player810]

Generally speaking every martial art "technically" has value because everything exists for SOME reason regardless of how important that reason may be But if the value in question is about "value in fighting" then the situation changes drastically lol

[@Rex-golf_player810]

People should specify what kind of value they are talking about before talking about how epic their martial art is

[@mohamed-cg9pe]

Be for e I watch the video comment The value that every martial arts is in créativité if we ignore EVERY thing that doesn't work constantly YET we will never improve So it depends if we take what works and discard what doesn't saves more time and more effectient Do that But if exploring and trying wakey (not proven yet) moves is more effectient for You then do that Now I'll watch the video

[@overtyrantfear]

Bruh I am making a sick T shirt design inspired by count dantes comic image. It has some value that image is cool as hell(but fuck count dante tho)

[@ArmchairViolence]

I should absolutely get a Count Dante shirt and wear it in videos

[@ajarciaga8864]

SOME styles have value, others don't Many kung fu styles teach you useful, efficient Techniques within the first form that can already be used. Styles like Xingyiquan, Bajiquan and Wing Chun are perfect examples of this because they're linear, very straightforward, explosive, to the point and can train someone to be a competent fighter in a short amount of time. The 5 Elements Fists of Xingyiquan and the first form of Bajiquan are more than enough to fight with. All other more advanced techniques are derived from the basics. Both styles have been used by military and even Bodyguards from as early as the Qing Dynasty up till this day.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

It's all about how you train, the contents inside the style is secondary. Imagine boxing in a hundred years more ended like Taichi for old people, peopl do nothing but lining up and throw basic combo, head movements and footwork, but never ever step foot inside the ring to train under pressure. Chinese kung fu is just like that, it has good stuffs ? Yea. But the way most people teach it now days turned those styles in to garbage

[@ajarciaga8864]

@@jaketheasianguy3307 I agree

[@cringeyidiotterry]

i lost it at 1:57 😂😂😂

[@corychartier7961]

As I believe you also served in the military. I learned a lot about leadership from the worst unit I was ever assigned to as I seen first hand what not to do.🤣🤣

[@user-lw1wq4eb3h]

💯

[@user-lw1wq4eb3h]

Wow… impressive…

[@scottjohnson926]

My answer is not far off from yours. Me being a TKD practitioner I’m aware that strict WT taekwondo is not exactly perfect for a fight IF you only train the “foot fencing” crap you see nowadays. I believe TKD can be just as effective as other stricter range martial arts such as boxing or wrestling; martial arts that focus on a small portion of a fight. For example I obviously kick more than I punch, but I still practice them, traditional Korean and American techniques equally. I’m still getting value from my otherwise “somewhat inapplicable” martial art. I’m confident in a real fist fight I can set up and land a body or low kick and depending on stakes, location, and opportunity. Possibly, head kicks. That or scare off a potential opponent with fast low risk painful kicks.

[@allenbutrum3724]

i would say ALMOST every style has a few effective moves. by that i mean martial arts not bullshido your points are very valid tho

[@MarcosAG90]

Well this time I agree with you, but just partially my bro. I do agree that not all martial arts have value, but most of them contain useful information (no that no touch crap). That was Bruce Lee's philosophy when developing JKD after all, and he was no fool (unlike the guys who think that what Bruce Lee did in the 70's would work today). Take Aikido as an example. It does indeed teach you A LOT about angles, forces, and joint manipulation. That in itself is very useful and transferrable to other martial arts. Now, what is a waste of time is to blindly adhere to an Aikido cult and reject everything else, like Rokas painfully discovered.

[@katokianimation]

Spend 1 month in a judo class you will learn more than 15 years of Aikido

[@MarcosAG90]

@@katokianimation probably. Then take Aikido for a year and you will be amazed at the stuff that you can learn from it. Reading physiology books won't teach you how to fight, but your increased knowledge about the human body will definitely make you a better martial artist after you know how to fight. Idk if I'm making myself clear

[@institches2750]

I think the point is that everything you could learn from aikido about angles, force, and joint manipulation, you could learn from equally well or better/faster from something like judo or bjj.

[@MarcosAG90]

@@institches2750 no. Their origins and focus are different. At least if we are talking about Olympic judo. Traditional judo may contain some more similarities, but still, they come from a different ground. Unless you plan on grasp the principles of Aiki Jutsu by learning only Ju Jutsu...

[@mathieucharette6511]

Lol I liked the hotdog analogy. Way to flail your weiner on camera.

[@ives3572]

"Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is specifically your own." - Bruce Lee

[@whitebeltexplainsjujitsu]

It would have been funny if you just kept the hotdog the rest of the video

[@pantopia3518]

I agree with everything but if this is true why are you advocating anything other than MMA(except to people to whom it poses a greater injury risk than just grappling or just striking or people who are lacking in one aspect of fighting)?

[@ArmchairViolence]

MMA is the best, and I would almost always recommend that at the top. However, some people might really only have interest pursuing either just grappling or just striking, which is fine. In this video, I'm more targeting the idea that "if your goal is to learn throws, Aikido has no value because Judo exists." Plus, not EVERY martial art can be put on a linear scale of effectiveness. Wrestling and BJJ are both highly effective grappling arts in different way. If someone just wanted to learn grappling, either of those would be a great choice. And, even if you are interested in MMA, taking boxing is completely justifiable if you are trying to work on your punches, specifically. So there are a good number of arts that I think DO have value, and there are perfectly legitimate reasons to take them, even if you only care about effectiveness. Because there are many different areas of combat that you can be effective at. Does that make sense?

[@sunte91]

This is not a comment for the algorithm… okay, actually it is 😛

[@300Ctildeath]

I'm gonna say it on every video I see of yours until you become too big to respond to comments, but who hurt you?

[@ArmchairViolence]

My mother's a conspiracy theorist, so I am deeply triggered by fallacious logic

[@TheSeremen]

If it's not effective for war can it even be called a martial art.... shouldn't every martial art have value because it's a martial art, isn't that the defining difference is the "martial" part.... just my thought, maybe a good conversation starter who knows. 🤷‍♂️

[@kevinburkett9018]

In that case, no hand to hand combat system can be called a martial art because fighting without weapons is literally the least effective thing you can do in a war.

[@dimavlasiuk4220]

You mean in a fight? Cuz no martial art is effective in a war, you can’t beat a marksman with your fists

[@gingercore69]

Wait... Kungfu is bad? But almost every kung fu school ive been to compete in sanda, and those who dont compete in open style tournaments against any other martial art 🤔 maybe in other countries it sucks, but where i live its basically kickboxing+wrestling+fancy dancing and acrobatics that rarely if ever are used when competing... And yeah, maybe doing kick boxing and wrestling would be morr efective, but having a bit of both in a single class is cost effective... Wich is very important for people who dont have money to pay 2 classes...

[@bajanmaster2958]

The idea that EVERY martial art has value is silly. That being said some of the "ineffective" martial arts do actually have value if you already are practicing combat sports. Take capoeira, everyone loves to dog on it but the balance, flexibility, flow, rhythm, etc that you will get from training in that art will greatly complement and enhance your kick boxing.

[@zzajizz]

Hell yes my ineffective MA has value for me, otherwise why would I bother spending time and money on it.

[@billysoto3163]

I once heard a guy said he has spent about $50,000 On his bjj black belt, he said between classes, privates, traveling like gas,hotel, food, competition in other countries etc lol

[@ArmchairViolence]

Holy crap! I hope he REALLY enjoys BJJ lessons lol

[@Jay-ho9io]

I mean is that really so much? Assuming the decade or so that generally takes, that's 5,000 or less a year. Giving the return value on consistent exercise, stress relief, social network building..... Homeboy probably did better than most do with their investments.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@Jay-ho9io I'm on track to spend like $1700 a year on my training, and that feels like a lot.

[@Jay-ho9io]

@@ArmchairViolence it's saving you money on physical and mental healthcare. Almost certainly not at a break even point monthly, but over the course of a lifetime? It's like compound interest. Your net quality of life is probably significantly better than someone that didn't make the same investment in exercise and the assorted other benefits that come with fighting sports. I mean you could get a concussion, end up busted or something else bad from it too. I'm just saying what you factory in all the externalities, it's not a matter of just the amount of money you're paying for it, it's the benefits that require a bit of digging to put a price tag on, That have to be included and factored in, too.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@Jay-ho9io But exercise is free! I can just do pushups and stuff. A decent resistance band set is like $30. I don't think my martial arts lessons are ever going to net me a financial return (unless my KZbin channel *really* takes off), but I like doing it anyway. But I don't like it enough to spend $5k a year on it! lol

[@YamamotoKazuo]

Death touch is not considered a system

[@ThatJamesGuy88]

Goggle it? 🤣

[@DaitoryuBlog]

Aww, and here I was, doing Daito-ryu and wearing a pretty black skirt for your pretty eyes, cutie! Joking aside, there are principles and mechanisms that while valuable, just take that much more time to learn and internalize. And not all practices teach every principle ever, nor do every principle finds use in any situation. So what you decide to put into your training regimen needs to be informed by what you wish to gain, and what you project needing. More pointedly, just because you don't see value in a practice because you watched a 40 second clip of it on KZbin doesn't mean others who have traveled the world to go and experience the practice haven't found some, if not great, value. Is there tons of BS out there? Certainly. People clinging to their practice due to the sunk cost? Absolutely. Fools who believe in no-touch crap? Everywhere. But I don't think putting all traditional practices in one basket, as you seem to be doing here, is an adequate, let alone correct, stance to take as a student and practitioner. There's a reason why people still read Sun Zu and Von Clausewitz. Same reason applies to the study of traditional martial arts.

[@pst5345]

Every competitive MA is only as useful as trained by you and/or taught by your teacher. p.s.: No touch bs does not count, obviously. As long as we are on planet earth nature's laws apply to us and "mind over matter" is not a valid goal or technique.

[@dravidamonkey4253]

But Kuo-Shou Kung-Fu is even better than Kickboxing because it has Wrestling takedowns and they fight in MMA sparring gloves. But it is difficult to find and pretty rare

[@ArmchairViolence]

That's why I said the WORST versions of Kung Fu! Lol Sanda is *technically* kung fu too, but I was hardly talking about that lol

[@dravidamonkey4253]

@@ArmchairViolence Wow, thanks for replying. I really like your logic in all your videos. Greetings from Sri Lanka. What is your opinion on KuoShou ? I am actually not a practitioner of it and would love to engage in it as it seems each fight is shorter and it's difficult to get a lot of CTE from it.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@dravidamonkey4253 From what very little I've seen of it, the competitions look good. Superficially similar to Sanda but with different gear. The demos, however, look awful lol. Of course, it's also hard to get a good read on quality because the art seems pretty small in the west. The main reference that comes up on Google is that it was used by a Mortal Kombat character lol

[@dravidamonkey4253]

@@ArmchairViolence Would you say someone who has 10 fights in KuoShu would be skilled enough to defend himself in street unarmed combat ?

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@dravidamonkey4253 It's impossible to say at what level you are "prepared" for a street fight, because it depends who you're fighting under what conditions

[@pyronicdesign]

Wow, you really have a problem with Kung Fu. Two minutes in and I'm eye rolling so hard iIcan't enjoy the hotdog joke. I'm 100% biased here, so I'm not going to argue with you about what I feel has value. Kung Fu performance art does NOT have combat value. Sadly, most modern Kung Fu, including Shaolin is derived from Wushu Performance Art. So it's pretty difficult for me to argue with you on that point anyway. All I can say is that I did not learn anything derived from wushu. Still agree with you though.

[@MeerkatMotorBoards]

If you extracted from all martial arts, 100 of the most proven effective techniques/concepts, taught those to 100 random people and after 100 days had them fight, who would win? My guess is, the biggest, strongest, most athletic...that's why guns.

[@BushCheney04]

Floor hot dog isn't good? Clearly you haven't eaten one before

[@captainbeaver_man903]

You make one common mistake in this video. You assume people only train to learn how to fight. Some learn because they want to preserve an aspect of a specific culture. Such is the case with HEMA weapon martial arts.

[@rexford6260]

People who train train HEMA can still fight within the context of HEMA and given how much crazy contact that involves (sometimes) I'd bet good money they're getting a lot more out of it besides preservation of history and culture.

[@captainbeaver_man903]

@@rexford6260 by that logic people who train Aikido can fight within the context of Aikido, doesnt mean they can fight. Doesn't mean they want to fight.

[@rexford6260]

@@captainbeaver_man903 That doesn't follow my logic, Aikido don't pressure test their own system.I didn't claim HEMA users can "fight" broadly either.

[@captainbeaver_man903]

@@rexford6260 Aikido does pressure purely within the realm of Aikido. The same as HEMA. Some Aikido organizations even have tournaments (kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3SWo2Vql7yYpck) Regardless, not everyone trains to be able to fight. Assuming everyone is training because they think they are gonna become Billy Badass is ridiculous. Most people who train in any martial art do it because its fun to them and for no other reason. They dont care if they learn how to fight they just want to have a good time and to them that is very valuable. Its the same reason people do any other recreational activity. To say that a martial art has (objectively) no value just because you can't fight with it is asinine. If the only value in a martial art was to be able to fight or defend yourself then the only valuable martial art is tactical firearms training and the rest are pointless.

[@rexford6260]

@@captainbeaver_man903 I think you're missing the forest for the trees. The parts of Aikido that pressure test is far and away the minority of the art and all that beside the video wasn't trying to call out any one specific art. Beyond that your statement is pretty easily disproven when you look at the friction between MMA and TMA Masters and the outcomes. If you think the video's logic is asinine...well I certainly won't change your mind it seems, if one wants to practice Tai Chi for their health go for it but if one thinks Tai Chi can contribute something in a fight they're simply incorrect.

[@rudycuyno171]

Sooo u open up wit aikido well aikido is jst daitou-ryu-aikijujutsu coupled wit ueishiba religious beliefs. U also mention kungfu? Which kungfu isn't a Chinese word its goungfu furthermore goungfu is a term used to explain things like dancing.cooking.swiming.singing ect goungfu means skill obtained through hard work and dedication. Cma r referred to as wushu which wushu means military method this can imply anything from training with traditional weapons to modern firearms. Also wushu shudnt get confused wit guoshuwushu which means nation nationalistic ma & is the flashy jumpy twirling weapon stuff. Also on this note . In cma we have ti.da.shuai.na. ti=kick.knee. da=punch.palm ridge hand.elbow. shuai=throw.na.lock.grab. it can even mean submissionsubmission Hold. Also if u take away the b.s & focus on practicality then in the end a punch is punch 👊. Kick is a kick 🦵🦿. A throw is a throw.& a submission is a submission^^. The only ma that can't b used in a combative context is the no touch k.o stuff & the blatantly fraudulent b.s.^^

[@joshuascott3428]

i would argue that in my fantasy world magic based martial arts are valuable ,in fact more valuable than mma in my fantasy world if a mma fighter fought a kung fu sorcerer he would get raped .So i do think it is valuable for creative writers and in movies and stuff ,but in real fighting no its not valuable.This is why traditional martial artists like Jet Li or movies like Hero look better cinematically than reality based martial arts which quite frannkly are not physically nor emotionally good vehicles for storytelling.

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

they have valùe just not to you

[@nmr20067]

lol You should have Shane on your channel and/or meet up with him. You have the indirectly attacked some of his “old” videos multiple times, lol. Shane’s been on Icy Mike’s channel.. I’m sure he’d come on channel. Shane is a combat sports guy too since those are the only people that have credibility to you. Shane has competed in boxing and Muy Thai.

[@darrinkemp1755]

This kind of smacks of its not what I do so it has no value. Only what I do has value.

[@YamamotoKazuo]

Savate is good , Bruce Lee learned it

[@hayate503]

nobody cares about an actor

[@YamamotoKazuo]

@@hayate503 Bruce Lee is not just an actor,. Martial artist all over the world look up up to him.

[@hayate503]

@@YamamotoKazuo but why? That doesn't say anything about him

[@heresjonny666]

Just for the record - the aikido ‘skirt’ is actually just a set of very wide trousers, not a skirt. Blew my mind the first time I realised this.

[@pangopod2969]

Just sad that some good techniques are stuck in inefficient martial arts..

[@BlacK40k]

Please, don't do a full version of the outro song

[@nathanieltillman2355]

And contemporary Wushu is even worse than Kung fu. Years of training in Hung Keun Kung fu in the same lineage as Chiu Chi Ling had some good techniques but as you say it will take years to make them effective where as every Muay Thai trained effective techniques every class. Luckily we sparred a lot in Hung Keun, but it was just bad kickboxing. Traveled to China and got to train with the Beijing Olympic Wushu team back in the early 2000s.... incredible talented people, wonderful kick tricks, ridiculous body control ask any of them about fighting and they'd point you towards Sanda class....Sanshou is not the same as Kung Fu and neither is Sanda and yes they are different. Sanda is effective, but its similarities to Muay Thai are very obvious. Anyone who does Traditional Kung Fu for health or because they like it good for you, but your not going to 'Tiger claw" anyone, and you can miss me with Chi Na as that is as bad as Aikido. As for any Contemporary Wushu guys again you might get something to work, if you are lucky. Although, mostly you will just end up on your ass wondering what happened. I was hardcore Kung Fu guy growing until I had my eyes opened. Someone people will say "oh you didn't get the right teachers" I travelled all over China and HongKong, trained in legendary gyms with got accepted into in the inner circles of a few and even taught for bit back in the UK. So again you can miss me with that "not the right teachers" BS. If you want to be able to really defend yourself then find a style that has active full contact sparring in what you are actually being taught. Simple as that. As a side note many of TMA seem to spend way too much time arguing about who's lineage is the correct one. Never heard a BJJ, Wrestler MMA, Boxer, or Muay Thai fighter care about any of that, as they'll know what you got as soon as you spar.

[@nathanieltillman2355]

@@Wingzero90939 Agreed, transitioning would work. As long they leave the jump spinning land on your side whilst giving the crowd your best "Kill Face" out of it. However, I must say that although I dislike Wushu for fighting, anything is better than doing nothing but watching TV.

[@Wingzero90939]

@@nathanieltillman2355 Yeah and I think a huge part of that, the formation of contemporary wushu had to do with the communist party. I mean North Korea has the same thing with their taekwondo team those guys breaking bricks or bending metal… It’s a soft power thing. That being said being a really good athlete will help you transition to anything else. I have a friend who was on the Philippines wushu team and they got the train in China, while their apparently they let you take any extra martial art classes you wanted, my friend chose Sanda. So I wouldn’t be surprised if any of those already gifted athletes picked up something else on the side that may interest them. Boxing, chinese folk wrestling etc. I mean they are at a sport university so they definitely have access to all the best coaches. Personally if I had the money to burn even though it would be pointless, I know the Shanghai University of sport offers a doctorate in ping-pong I would love to get that and have the diploma on my wall just to see people’s reactions. Haha

[@nathanieltillman2355]

@@Wingzero90939 Yes the CCP were a big influence to the situation on Chinese TMA. So many styles were lost, but more importantly so many training techniques and sparing partners that back could use what they knew to actually fight. I attended the Beijing sports University from 2004 to 2006 where I majored in Contemporary Wushu and Tai Ji Quan, whilst there I was attending all the extra classes. So I got to train Sanda, Shuai Jiao, and Qin Na. I must admit that the Sanda was good but focused to much on points, But the Shuai Jiao was great, some of it I still use in me takedowns for BJJ. I do think there are still some hidden gems in Chinese martial arts, and I really hope that one day Gung Fu will be effective again. For now I keep up training whilst trying to see where the cross overs are. I do this for fun, If someone wants to fight in MMA then I wouldn't suggest Gung fu as useful style to use, unless they were already an athlete in Wushu competitions, then I think they could make the change based on their athleticism. I don't think Wushu is useless, but it has long way to go before it could be considered as either a system of self defense or a combat art. Yet, their are bound to be people out there who can make it combat effective.

[@Wingzero90939]

@@nathanieltillman2355 That’s interesting my first martial art was Taekwondo and my coach for what it was worth he knew the game and could tell you how to win fights/ matches but he was an absolutely horrible teacher and he didn’t put that much focus into athleticism. He was the kind of old school coach that just expected you to do it after he showed it to you once... He couldn’t take someone from zero to competent, he worked better with advanced people... His kids were of course really good, they went to the Taekwondo world championships etc.... Ironically I think I became a much better athlete and martial artist after I started doing Wushu since my coach for that was a multi time gold medalist at the Asian games. Interestingly enough for her we didn’t even touch forms or any of the normal wushu curriculum for over a year. Her main priority, she said if you want to do this and you want to do it well, you have to be an athlete first. So we did stuff like getting your middle and front splits, squats with weights, Learning how to jump and do plyometrics. In university she also ran track that was how she got a scholarship so she made me learn how to do that. So in total I think I’m a much better martial artist now because of Wushu. I think other sports can teach you how to fight really well but if you’re a shitty athlete to begin with which I was, then taking any other martial art class will only lead to injury since your body isn’t up to it. So I think more people should cross train in Wushu just for the athleticism since it basically makes you an acrobat sort of.

[@Wingzero90939]

I always did want to try Sanda I liked when they used the Lei Tai and throws. I always thought the concept of having to worry about falling off the edge made it more interesting compared to a normal kick boxing match where you couldn’t throw people.

[@Canal_Marte]

Carry a gun! it's better than any martial art

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

Bro, you know nothing of kung fu. What kind of Amerido Te kung fu are you talking about.

[@thejanitorssweeps5883]

I can tell you live somewhere crappy your aluminum cans are only worth 1 6th of a penny.

[@danielschulter7182]

I'm getting the feeling that your whole channel is full of negative content. Why don't you have videos about what you believe will work in self defense, is good for fitness and mental health, etc? You and Icy Mike both seem to do this a lot, and while I understand how it's good for views, as someone who has placed a lot of focus and respect into the martial arts, I simply can't understand what seems to be your overall perspective on...most martial arts.

[@holywaterbottle3175]

Dude. Literally the video before this one was about game theory for winning competitive matches. That's pretty positive to me. If you actually watched armchair violence or hard to hurt you would know that they both talk about what DO work. That being techniques and systems that have gone through substantial pressure testing on the higher competitive levels. Things that you can practice. Things that you can pull off. And things that work against full resistance

[@tjsho417]

They do explain it clearly, you just choose to ignore. For FIGHT purposes, if a MA has full contact sparring then it’s good. Otherwise it isn’t.

[@danielschulter7182]

@@holywaterbottle3175 I don't literally mean that there are no videos that shed a more positive view of martial arts, or that no videos exist which discuss effective techniques, and I thought that was obvious. I mean, the overall tone of the channel seems to be a negative viewpoint of less than effect MA, rather than a positive viewpoint on particular effective ones. In other words, when I watch him or Icey Mike, and I do at least as much as everyone else here including you, I get all of these click baity videos explaining why this or that would never work. While I understand why that might be the angle taken, I also question if that is appropriate for a martial arts channel in general. We all have people in our gyms who are...well, not the zen type, lol, but those are usually the people no one wants to roll with, spar with, or whatever, because for those of us who take what we do seriously and have respect for the gym and the art, we don't usually have that attitude. I won't go too deep into that, because anyone could point out examples where this isn't the case, but I guess my point is, while I enjoy the channel and his insight into things I just don't know, the tone he takes and the attitude he seems to have reflects one of THOSE guys. That guy who's just always complaining and second guessing the instructor. The guy after class in the locker room commenting on how his opponent sucked, or how the instructor doesn't know what he's talking about. I hope I'm wrong, and out of respect, I AM giving him the benefit of the doubt. But I do FEEL Like it might be the case. I hope in my rambling that made sense. If I didn't care about his opinion I wouldn't watch the videos and be here typing, but I also fear that maybe the popular thing to do on KZbin is focus more on the negative. And if there's a percentage of viewers that don't actually practice martial arts here, they more than likely would jump on any bandwagon that might validate their choice to stay on their couch eating donuts while judging others.

[@danielschulter7182]

@@tjsho417 I'm not going to argue with you as if I want that sort of back and forth, but I can confirm for you that I am not choosing to ignore anything, I simply don't see it as much as I feel I should. Am I suggesting that he should change his channel? No. Why would I? Why would he? But I'm suggesting that maybe what's popular in getting and keeping viewers these days is speaking negatively of ineffective MA, rather than positively of effective ones. They pretty much all do it, but I've noticed that Hard to Hurt and Armchair Violence do it the most. I practice two MA, one which is pretty solid in quite a few situations, and the other that's frankly more for fitness, I have friends who have all kinds of separate experience, and I'd like to think that I at least know as much about MA as you, and am more than happy to accept that Armchair Violence knows more than me, and of course that's a huge part of why I watch his channel. But at the same time, I just wonder if his motivation more often than not is to shut someone down rather than pick them up.

[@tsaxondale2499]

Because this type of approach is where the KZbin dollars are these days. Why break a sweat and show things , or even more dangerous go testing, when you can edit a few clips and diss others?

[@blockmasterscott]

I’ve taken Kung Fu for a good three decades now so I just wanted to put in my two cents. It can take a good decade of training to use the techniques, but people take it because they enjoy the process of that decade. So to use your argument, it works very well, it’s scientific and practical, the end result is worth the time. But it’s not for people that want instant results. As for what you said about Aikido, you do know that police all over the world use Aikido in subduing bad guys right? Don’t confuse combat Aikido to the demonstrators.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Police are very famously bad at hand-to-hand fighting (on average). I don't know if that's the flex you think it is. Also, Aikido is very famously ineffective. That's pretty much the main thing Aikido is known for

[@blockmasterscott]

@@ArmchairViolence Riiiiiight, so you know more about how effective it is than the actual people that use it on REAL people on a day to day basis.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@blockmasterscott Icy Mike was a cop for years. Go ask him and he'll tell you the same thing.

[@BornAgainDude]

it is so annoying to see how people will never understand the difference between art and sport, art is not about functionality btw kickboxing is not a martial art

[@ajmaloleary3553]

Hmmm.... No

[@BornAgainDude]

@@ajmaloleary3553 no like yes it is a martial art or no to what? 😆 I didn't write a question 🙂

[@ajmaloleary3553]

@@BornAgainDude it was "no" to your statement. The word "martial" refers to fighting, war, military. The word "art" refers to skill, study. The term "martial art" refers to studying or achieving skill in fighting or war. Therefore kickboxing IS a martial art, as is boxing and mma. The fact that these are also sports doesn't come into it.

[@BornAgainDude]

@@ajmaloleary3553 seems like the two of us have very different interpretations of those terms when it comes to semantics 🙂 i truly respect yours still i'd like to tell you mine There is more to art than skill, otherwise any wanker who "mastered" the "art" of fapping all day would be an artist 😃 but he's not Creativity and imagination give it it's artistic value, you can see that in the way shaolins move their body like different animals, aikidoka come up with choreographies where they toss each other around and teakwondo guys who come up with these theatrical shows where they jump and smash boards, why else are the most common examples for art painting poetry and music? The problem with sports is that they are about competition - the destroyer of artistic value and kickboxing is a good example, Kickboxing used to be "full contact Karate" which got changed over the years till people said: we're gonna use the punches of boxing and the most effective kicks from various styles, but why only those? Because only those make you win but thats like a painter who only uses the 3 flashiest colors he knows and why there is no artistic value in the ring, When it comes to martial arts the emphasis lies on art which is not about functionality or winning while martial only describes the kind of movement Combat sports and martial arts are like apples and oranges to me A sport can never be an art as well as the other way around so they must be seperated and not compared Hope i could give some inspiration 😀 let me know what you think

[@ajmaloleary3553]

@@BornAgainDude great explanation. Now give me your interpretation of the terms "Art of War", "Court Martial" and "Martial Law"