Dolby Vision vs HDR10 | Which is Better? | Which One Do You Need?

Dolby Vision vs HDR10! In this HDR Showdown, I take you through what both have to offer. Click 'Show More' for details I did miss. Dolby Vision or HDR10? Who will win this HDR Showdown? Let's find out! Click "Show More" for missed information.
Some info I missed. Thank you Michelle Alexandria!
"What makes Dolby Vision inherently better, theoretically, is that Dolby Vision is an End to End solution. Films (all of the big budget ones) are now being shot in Dolby Vision and encoded with special meta data, that meta data is then translated into Dolby Vision HDR which is tied directly to your Hardware. So since you have an LG TV with Dolby Vision. The content will be optimized for your specific content. So you will get HDR tailored for your TV and Dolby Vision is applied at the Scene level as opposed to the entire picture like HDR10. The other nice thing about Dolby Vision is that since it is Hardware Based, Dolby Vision TVs have to meet stricter, higher end spec requirements to run it, so you know you are getting a top of the line HDR TV and your DV TV will most likely also have HDR10 (since that's software) so you'll have both. Unlike HDR10 which is Software based, therefore HDR10 TV will never be able to support Dolby Vision."
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[@mejlgaardbliddal]

Great to see the difference between the Dolby Vision version and the HDR version of Marco Polo. I do however have a problem with some of your explanations. Yes Dolby Vision is 12 bit, but it is down sampled to 10 bit on the tv. Dolby does claim that a down sample from 12 to 10 bit enables them to create a more precise color gradient in 10 bit, but neither that nor the 12 bit are the main reason behind the better quality on a properly mastered Dolby Vision source. HDR10 has a standard value that is used during the entire movie. Dolby vision is frame by frame based which means that the tv is optimized for each frame, and not just optimized for an average of the movie. That optimization does bring out more details, and that is the main reason behind the better picture quality of Dolby Vision compared to HDR10 at the moment.

[@bighands69]

Dolby now has netflix as a means of getting it to the masses as well. I think we are about to see what people like and do not like.

[@norwegianblue2017]

From what I have seen, I prefer HDR10 because it is much brighter. I think you need to have a a 1000 NITS+ OLED to fully appreciate Dolby Vision and the darkness not being a problem. I have a Sony x900H which looks amazing in HDR 10.

[@TechnoDad]

Thanks for sharing. I had the X900H for a while as well, great looking TV!

[@jeanp.5929]

Dolby Vision is actually brighter. HDR10 only goes up to 1000 nits while Dolby Vision goes up to 10000 Nits. I'm guessing that current bright movies are only operating at about 2000 nits. "Nits" is a measure the brightness of a light source.

[@lowstryder1022]

Solution: Get support for both if you can! My Denon AVR-4400H and my Vizio 65” 4K M65-E0 BOTH support HDR10 and Dolby Vision. 4K formats are still in a volatile state. TV is NO WHERE NEAR set to broadcast 4K content anytime soon. All we really have in terms of native content is Blu Ray discs and some select streaming. I know this post is a year old but the standard still isn’t rock solid yet. At this point, if I was looking for these kinds of products, I’d keep my options as open as I could. The reason I went with the Denon & Vizio is the price to performance ratio. The quality vs. the features. Luckily I can say I can support both for years to come without worrying it will be totally obsolete in a year or 2. Do your research before purchase folks! Dolby Vision is probably the better format overall visually but true 12 bit displays are few and far between and the format winner is usually determined on which is the easier to support at the time which is probably HDR10 right now.

[@Brandon-ll3ff]

12 bit doesn’t matter since 99.9% of tvs are 8-10 bit. Dolby also supports thousands more nits of brightness but nothing can reach that level

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[@ProjectDelta1]

Thank goodness I just bought a simple 4K HDR tv. I learned my lesson with DVDHD vs Blu Ray. I bet on the wrong horse, I'm going to wait this one out.

[@TechnoDad]

That's a good plan Juan! There's even more HDR now, HLG, Technicolor, and HDR10+ will be out soon enough.

[@rayoladi]

Thanks for your video. I have been working on mastering and distribution of HDR content for 4 years. There are several issue, first 12-bit and 10-bit are signal formats and does not directly translate to better viewing experience! The viewing experience depends on how well your viewing device is capable of showing you the quality of the signal, e.g. the quality of the TV panel (type, gamut, actual bit-depth, internal processing, tone-mapping etc... Also, the main difference between 12-bit and 10-bit HDR has to do with the PQ EOTF of the signal and encoding. The PQ or ST2084 is designed to have every code value correspond to a certain nit-level which causes steps in the signal. the extra 2-bits in the 12 bit will allow for better-preservation of the information between the steps. however, at the moment there are no encoders on the market that is optimized for PQ or HDR (they do have HDR settings, but internally they are still optimized for gamma signal). Which means until we get there those extra-bits wont translate to a perceptible difference! Also, your Marco Polo example is INCORRECT! that is not the difference between 10-bit and 12-bit. that is the difference between how the two versions were mastered! having worked with major studios, more than likely they did the DolbyVision HDR first and the HDR-10 was just an after thought and it was not mastered to the same creative quality of the DolbyVision version! ( it is not technical) REC2020 is is used as a container in both HDR10 and DolbyVisionHDR. both signals are mastered to D65-P3 and re-contained in rec2020 for mastering and distribution! If you need more info about HDR you can dm me.

[@txmoney]

I'm so glad I decided to wait until now (late 2017) to upgrade my entire home theater system, including the tv (LG 65" 4K), AV receiver (Denon S series), Xbox One X., and a UHD blue ray player. All devices support both HDR formats! Can't wait to test the different formats for blue ray viewing.

[@honey4xi]

LG-UP970 ($280), Sony UBP-X800 ($300), Panasonic DMP-UB900 ($600) support Ultra Premium (HDR10) Oppo UDP-203 ($550) or Oppo UDP-205 ($1300) supports both Ultra Premium (HDR10) and Dolby Vision (HDR12) 4K.

[@RogueCylon]

You said Rec2020 from DV. Rec2020 is an International standard and nothing to do with Dolby. Rec2020 color space applies to both 10 bit and 12 bit color mapping, and is used in HDR10. It just happens that displays today are just barely able to cover the majority of DCI P3 (Cinema standard), and producing close to 70% of Rec2020. We may see Rec2020 capable displays as early as 2020 (nice marketing tie), but not today regardless of DV.

[@paulolameiras861]

Something i don't understand: if i can see the differences in my old TV, why are those extra details and colors not on the HDR 10 verion? Again, i'm watching the vid in an old 1080p screen and i can see those dolby vision extra colors :/

[@HenriHolstila]

I was thinking about the same thing.

[@Rationalific]

+Paulo Lameiras: Like +Henri Holstila, I was also thinking the same thing. Basically, whenever we watch stuff about technologies that we can't see, it's like a colorblind person trying to see how the colors of something have improved. We just can't get it with our screens, so we don't know what is actually seen. Certainly, HDR10 should be better than your current screen, but why do both HDR types not just appear as good as your screen can possibly handle? I think that generally, at least in advertisements if not here, the video is graded, with saturation and contrast boosted to give us an effect, but in real life, it all looks different and so we have to see it in person. Of course if they wanted to simply add a reddish color to the sky, any TV (that is not black-and-white) is capable of that. So yeah...why does it not appear to be there? +Andreas Tzimboukakis says that it may be due to incorrect tonemapping on one of the TVs (neither of which can actually play 12 bit content).

[@maxstrmus4252]

I guess it has more to do with the player and the TV able to decode those additional details in the picture.

[@sardasert]

well you dont see the colors hdr10 is missing. you are seeing "a version of those missing colors captured by a normal camera" used by the youtuber. when the camera sees those colors it matches them to the nearest defined color in its abilities. imagine you are sitting with a friend and you hear a strange sound but your friend doesn't. then when you two meet with a 3rd friend you are telling the story "we were sitting and i heard a sound like (tschchstschs), but my friend#2 didnt hear it." friend#3 turns into friend#2 and says: "are you deaf, how can you not hear it? even I can hear that sound".

[@Heliosvector]

You dont see them, because they dont exist. Those details were remastered with Dolby vision. Its not that they were edited in, its just that the creatorsof the content would normally compress data to 8bit colour and only kept in uncompressed for 12 bit when they had dolby vision. Sothe HDR10 file isnt getting the same access of information that a dolby vision stream is getting. So pretty much any HDR10 capable tv is able to display Dolby Vision 10bit, but some have not paid for the licencing.

[@ps5stuffguy]

You can make HDR10 look like DV with some equipment like the PS5. Adjust HDR settings for better blacks. Settings - 1. Make Sun disappear 2. Make Sun disappear 3. Sun at lowest level

[@5urg3x]

It’s 2019, 2 years later, lol...and we still don’t have 12 bit TVs...and probably won’t for a long time. To have that much color you need a really high quality panel that is super expensive to make.

[@hyper-viper]

This is inaccurate. How can you compare Dolby Vision (12 bit) versus HDR 10 (10 bit) on a TV that has a 10 bit panel? You can't. Your overview does not make sense in that regard. The same way as TVs with 8 bit panels cannot be proper HDR TVs if they cannot meet the wider colour gamut required to properly display HDR content. So the question is, how do you get 4,096 gradient levels on a 10 bit panel like the LG OLED E6? You won't be able to measure this until 12 bit panels become commercially available. As far as I know, there aren't any yet.

[@SOMEONE-ME]

Well- this video has many false or misleading statements. Your example is just one of them. As you said- even professional grading displays are not capable of reproducing 12bit. DolbyVision as technology is superior, but this is yet to be fully utilised in real world, specially at home environment. At the moment you can forget about 12bit v 10bit as most consumer TVs can't even reliably do 10bit (and those mentioned details have nothing to do with 12bit at all). Best thing about DolbyVision is that it carries metadata per scene (not per whole movie like HDR10), which can be reliably used as a reference to adjust each scene for each display capabilities. Even for no-techy people: www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-white-paper.pdf

[@hyper-viper]

Andrew Kolakowski Thanks. That white paper was very informative. Much appreciated!

[@matamatosa8898]

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[@elizabeths7700]

mata matosa What's that got to do with anythimg hmmm?

[@xicofir3737]

Big part of this videos comparing HDR to SDR and HDR10 to Dobly VISIO, are BS. How can I on a 6bit panel, emulating 8bit color depth, can se the diference too? The biggest differences between the two are caused by bad Remastering of the HDR10 content. Obviusly, if you are paying for Dobly vision you are expecting to get proper support from the developors.

[@starkshiva]

LG OlED with Dolby Vision , Dolby Atmos and HDR , all three, is the way to go .

[@zybch]

And after a year, you get some cool OLED burnin. So its really all 4 lol

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Wow this video is still up after 6 years. Impressive.

[@TechnoDad]

Hah! This is an old one for sure.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

I still watch all of your older videos Channa D. I learn something from all the ones I watch. Kudo's to you buddy.

[@TechnoDad]

This is an old one!!!

[@dante19890]

So a weird thing with LG oled is that they are not showing HDR10 correctly it cannot tone map HDR10 so the clipps the highlights way too much and the detail in the bright areas rolls off way to early. Dolby vision on LG oled works correctly with the tonemapping it provides.

[@TechnoDad]

Really? Hmmm...I'll have to check out the same scene on my LG LED 4K TV and see if this is true. Thanks for the heads up!

[@mikejohnson8391]

Andreas Tzimboukakis maybe but Sony new OLED with self illuminating pixels with x1 extreme 8 core processor tech. Which has based on intel XEON 8 core processor tech. With LCD 4K tv panel to max brightness and contrast with light sensor adjusting sensor where each pixel will adjust to max images detail and know how bright it should make bright images and dark images based on amount light in room or dark room is. Tv feature android and every type HDR there is as well Dolby Vision and Dolby Vision with HDR.

[@dante19890]

no doubt that sonys oled would wipe the floor with LGs cause of the superior image processing. Sony still consider their z9 their flagship HDR tv for 2017.

[@mikejohnson8391]

Andreas Tzimboukakis there be no z9 what think A1E is the z9 replacement using it processor and totally new type LCD screen from what I saw and much more check out CES channel to learn more.

[@dante19890]

No the oled doesnt replace z9. Z9 is better for HDR thats why it still regarded as the flagship. The oled is just a alternative.

[@xtremegaming1439]

I am getting the Lg NANO CELL 2019 TV AND IT HAS HDR 10 AND DOLBY VISON

[@TechnoDad]

Nice!!

[@feuerfaustace3199]

Have the philips the one he has also both its nice

[@grim86]

Wrong it supports hdr10 not hdr10+

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

@@grim86 who cares, HDR10+ is dying out completely only Samsung backs it

[@JRBowling1997]

@@Dr.WhetFarts so dolby vision will have better picture quality on disney plus compared to hdr10?

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Hey Channa. I like HDR10 and 10plus and don't get hung up about Dolby Vision. Yes DV is nice but I don't think it's truly a big deal. Samsung doesn't have DV but still sell the most TVS.

[@PapaWheelie1]

Thanks for tilting up enough so I can see that you have a fire alarm above the door! I often wonder if KZbin creators have proper fire detectors... and yes 12 bit is plenty of the compression is good

[@rodschermerhorn6996]

Thanks, dolby looks more real to life.i might be getting both,for different rooms.

[@yamafanboy]

So the ground is cleaner in HDR10? Where do I signup man? I hate dirty floors 😂😂😂

[@TechnoDad]

Lolololol!!!

[@Lucifer-wg8rb]

I hate dirty floors too lmao😂😂😂🤘

[@aleksandradimkovic2805]

@@TechnoDad I'm wondering which of these TVs best shows the first five minutes of Marvel's Black Panther: Philips 43pus7354 / 12, sony kd43xg8196, sony kd8396, samsung QE43Q60rat, or some panasonic, LG or Hisense in that category?

[@adrianozzz]

The issue I'm having with my TV is the HDR being washed out in the Netflix app. The HDR on KZbin looks perfect, vibrant, with deep black levels. I wish I could disable the HDR on Netlifx, but it's not possible - no freaking idea why, Netflix... There are lots of people (in forums) complaining about this, but Netflix doesn't seem to care.

[@PrezidentHughes]

I bought a 2021 model Panasonic LCD last year and it's basically an 8bit that fakes being 10bit through some IPS panel trickery. So we're not further on from back then unless you're spending more than a grand. So unless you know what you're missing, then you're not missing anything.

[@k2thedevil]

correction : SuperUHD LG tvs support both dolby vision and hdr10.

[@PositiveInvesting]

k2thedevil Yea the high end LG support Dolby!

[@mikejohnson8391]

Nicholas J. Paris yes so will Sony once higher end models start coming out as well every type of HDR as well.

[@PositiveInvesting]

Mike Johnson true. For some reason I don't see many Sony anymore.. Usually LG vs samsung

[@marshallgiles631]

Unless you attached the wrong label to the pictures the HDR10 looked better but being that you only have a 10 bit tv anyway you wouldn't see the benefit of Dolby Vision. The difference between 8 and 10 bit is huge so the extra 2 bit from 10 to 12 will surely have a similar effect no?

[@zybch]

And certainly a youtube video with the intense crunching youtube does, you just can't see ANY actual difference.

[@Alexwhatisit]

For me it’s comes down to, is Dolby vision available? Yes? Sweet, I use it, my tv supports it, cool. If the movie only has hdr10, cool, my tv supports hdr10 also. Dolby is great, but if it’s not available, I don’t feel like you’re missing much. But if Dolby vision is available, I always prefer it over the standard.

[@JessieR2023]

Dolby Vision is way better, but not a lot of tv can support it. I think HDR10 will be the most available and most used, but Dolby Vision is far way better.

[@TechnoDad]

I like it!! More TV companies are supporting DV, including budget brands like TCL and Vizio.

[@jasonvoorhees4590]

I think HDR 10 IS perfect

[@Atharun18999]

the Vizio P65 is the best bang for your buck that supports both formats right now.

[@ipodguy974023]

i thought all sets that support dolby support hdr10

[@RemixerUltimate]

TCL P-series is also damn good.

[@chestercampbell9409]

Rocky lg 8500 versus 8000

[@lowstryder1022]

Agreed! If I could have afforded a several extra hundreds of dollars, that’s what I ideally would have gone with.

[@Jeff82556]

at 5:04 you ask "should I get an LG Super UHD TV that only has HDR10?". This is an inaccurate statement. My LG 65UH7700 (2016) specs: "HDR10 Super w/ Dolby Vision™" (www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65UH7700-4k-uhd-tv)

[@TechnoDad]

Thanks!

[@johnnyice428]

You didn't mention one other advantage that Dolby Vision has over HDR-10. That is, with DolbyVision you'll get rendering frame by frame where as you will only get static rendering with HDR-10. That makes DolbyVision better in my humble opinion.

[@TechnoDad]

+johnnyice428 Yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks for reiterating it! The Dynamic nature of DV is why it's superior to HdR10

[@Cheshire090]

Ahhhhh......this is what I needed :)

[@TechnoDad]

I'm glad it helped!

[@officialpartychannel]

HDR10+ is the future.

[@TechnoDad]

+officialpartychannel I guess we will have to see. Vudu has partnered with Dolby, and is streaming 4K content with Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. It's going to be an interesting ride!

[@vGREENARROWv]

Techno Dad but steaming.......

[@Microwave414]

I agree with officialpartychannel, dolby has an advantage now but at the end of the day people and manufactures prefer to not spend money when possible so someone will bump up hdr10 to 12 bit eventually which... may I be honest? I have a 10 bit panel... like a real 10 bit 1440p monitor that doesn't need to do stupid HDR trickery to achieve what HDR is trying to do and when compared to my other 8 bit 1440p screen, I've never noticed a difference between the two until someone whips out a still image for me to look at and really take the time to look at it to see those differences and let me point this out, 10 bit removes all banding effects that might exist in a picture already. HDR might not be a gimmick (It is doing other things) but the extra bit of colors, those 12 bit over 10 (or even 8) is a gimmick, just one that is not going away anytime soon.

[@Microwave414]

Come to think about it as I really do sit down and think of it, this is basically prologic all over again, the video itself is not in 10 or 12 bit, its in 8bit and a codec is sent to the TV along with it, dolby's software picks it up and decodes the signal. Its not at all a true 12 bits of color its just TRYING to convince you that it is 12 bits, just like prologic was not real surround sound. It was just trying to convince you it was.

[@AsreiMurasame]

It's highly dependent on the individual. I have sensitive eyes and can notice differences between monitors and panels immediately. (it's also not that hard to tell when a monitor is using dithering.) from a 6, 8, 10, or 12 bit panel it becomes much harder after 12~14 because of how smooth the gradients become. I have a large number of individuals who claim they cannot see a difference between 60 and 120~144 Hz. I can as well as some friends and family I know. I had at one time been called by my parents and asked why their PC on their 144 Hz monitor had become "slow" like everything had slowed down. They had been doing adjustments and accidentally reduced the refresh rate to 60. While they did not know it was the refresh rate that was impacted they could immediately tell that the rendering had slowed significantly just by minimizing a window. On a side note I have been calibrating monitors and TV's for years. Which may attribute to why I am so used to seeing the differences.

[@charlesm.9858]

I think I will be ok with HDR10 until I get a new tv that has both! Thank you T.D!!

[@TechnoDad]

You’re welcome Chaz!

[@macinman]

Hey Techno Dad, Your quote from Dolby was pretty much my mindset going into 4k to begin with. I wanted stuff good enough to see what kind of differences I would see with the new tech, and then decide after a few years, what the direction was to go. Right now, I'm still content with 1080p as my main source of content, but HDR 10 makes enough difference for me that has kept me interested in 4k content in it's current state Because of the visual impairment I deal with, while I am able to appreciate good quality video, audio (music, and movie soundtracks ) hold more interest in audio. I was more excited over the 5.1 soundbar from Vizio i put in the bedroom over the 4K tv I got last year. Actually, I find it more exciting to hear and evaluate a surround mix, that previously I've only heard in 2 channel Great video, have a great day!

[@donniecollins3733]

my lg has both

[@TechnoDad]

+donnie collins Nice! You're all set for the future!

[@mikejohnson8391]

donnie collins maybe but you been better off waiting for Sony OLED model A1E comes in 55 65 and 77 and pretty nice. Only two LG tv which handle HDR tech nicely but won't have Sony app selection do to fact Sony runs google latest android tv system. Those to LG are W7 and G7 unless want something more on level of 3 in half stars out five quality feature Dolby vision support and HDR picture which won't exceed HDR10 quality then E7 for you.

[@soulvapour]

donnie collins same here, hate the edge lit banding though 😖

[@brradv3552]

Mike Johnson the lg w7 oled has all the hdr formats as well.

[@mikejohnson8391]

Brandon Westover Note I stated they put w series panel into their A1 series OLED when it comes to Sony. Yet there no need for it or any panel I think. Since it uses no LED lighting of any kind. Instead it using totally independent self lighting pixels.

[@RhonnelKForde]

Great in-depth video.

[@TechnoDad]

+Rhonnel K. Forde Thank you!

[@enriquezambrano1]

I always say, to compare anything we have to use a reference point which is the original sample. In this way we will be able to see which of those two pictures resemble the original one...EZ.

[@DavidSaintloth]

I see vertical lines across all three but as theory would suggest the 12 bit is the smoothest....though it is not that much better than the 10. Consider it is a lot easier for us to discern grey scale variation in tones than if these were in color because our eyes have far more luminance sensitive receptors (rods) when compared to color sensitive ones (cones). Thus it would be even harder to discern variation between any two adjacent gradations in a color based gradation pattern. (some colors like blue and red are less chromatically acute than others...green which dominates the cones).

[@Alovatololo]

Bruh, the lighting of your door is so distracting.

[@TechnoDad]

Yeah, that sucks

[@Heimkineast]

You can't compare HDR10 and Dolby Vision on a LG OLED as HDR10 will just look inferior due to technical limitations. If you watch HDR10 content on a flagship Samsung TV then it's clear that 1.) HDR10 can look as detailed as Dolby Vision and 2.) current OLED TVs can't keep up in terms of brightness. Also there are currenty no mass market TVs available which feature a 12 Bit panel, so Dolby Vision will have to wait a few years longer to make best use of this format.

[@TechnoDad]

Samsung TVs don't do Dolby Vision, so you can't do this comparison on aSamsung. I'm still wondering why Samsung fanboys still bring up the brightness issue. The OLED can create a perfect black level, and therefore doesn't need to be as bright. Samsung has to have above 1500 nits to make anything that comes close. And if you watched the video, I stated twice that TVs now will not take full advantage of Dolby Vision.

[@mikejohnson8391]

Techno Dad agree with Sony new android update and new OLED you get both and lot more even if you have z9D

[@mouwa7793]

Techno Dad enough brightness is needed for hdr bro, this is not about fanboys.

[@mikejohnson8391]

young mille you can get everything nits needed and black levels and image quality using Sony OLED which uses X1 extreme imaging 8 core processor. With separate X1 extreme processor for android operating system tv runs. So you get amazing picture in every way and apps would load super fast as well. As well get all needed HDR formats needed and Dolby Vision support needed.

[@mouwa7793]

Mike Johnson it's just that will be too expensive, I own the ks8000 and I don't have any problem so far, it's a great tv.

[@eazy1437]

its like comparing 480p with 1080p, I mean hdr10 is only a part of dolby visions spectrum, no need to say that dolby vision is far superior than hdr10, I just hope dolby vision becomes the only standard in the 4k industry very soon and we get lots of blurays in this format...

[@TechnoDad]

Ömer Yilmaz Well, Vudu has partnered with Dolby, so all the HDR content on Vudu is Dolby Vision.

[@Mar8308]

The UBK90 has both and is the best, excellent 4K player from LG great for movies.

[@agostonberko]

10 more years and the display technologies will reach the quality of Panasonic/Pioneer PLASMA from 5 years ago.

[@TechnoDad]

+Ágoston Berkó haha! I had one of Panasonic's Kuro killer plasmas. It was awesome!!

[@cheddar07]

But they were so heavy, and sensitive, Also the burn in was a real issue, especially if you used it to game or watched a lot of content with static images.

[@cheddar07]

Also OLED will be much better.

[@marshallgiles631]

cheddar07 that burn in was such a pain in the arse. I paid a shit load for my Pioneer plasma and it got screen burn after the first time I played a game on it. SO pissed off after that, having the hid from Mass effect on everything I watched 😠

[@szman167]

Best is the Sony Z9D

[@TechnoDad]

Sony's X1 Extreme chip i the Z9D is awesome, and I can't wait to see that in the A1 OLED coming out later this spring. That may be one of the best PQ TVs in 2017. They are also supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10 with the new A1.

[@mikejohnson8391]

Techno Dad correct get this it thanks to z9 there going be A1 OLED later in year they took Z9 tech to next level but unlike z9 which is for personal use A1 is for family use like my home where there 3 other people living in House. and there standard picture black levels and so on must be meet or be yelled at is why I pick Sony OLED because I get needed nits color brightness level black levels frame rate for my brother video games and my and dad get needed black levels for his sci-fi films and color and brightness needed for films like into heart of sea which mom likes. And I get Dolby Vision and hdr support needed for Netflix progress like crown and Dolby Vision with HDR10 for Netflix program Daredevil.

[@mikejohnson8391]

agree and they also use legendary imaging mapping tech. only normally projectors uses they been making for past ten year or more which they call bit-mapping how it perk I don't know. they say it supposed allow each pixel allow tv help to make more true to life images. instead on how much brightness and black levels the A1E OLED they are concentrating on how true to life images tv will show. note it have 3 years parts and labor and 24/7 tech support and troubleshooting help. so they say we will see once it hits market if all this is true.

[@mikejohnson8391]

LED tv wise it is Z9D

[@SabtainAz]

Mike Johnson Sony is using LG display oled panels. The g6 oled by LG for example far surpasses the uhd alliance requirements showing 99% of p3 colour; in terms of oled patents LG owns more than any of the other major tv companies the TVs come with 5 year warranty and 24/7 tech support with parts available for at least 5-7 years. The banding issues etc have been addressed with the 2016/17 oled's by LG the only downside is motion processing however it's barely noticeable. Sound wise harman kardon speakers are with LG's TVs which give surprisingly good sound and format wise they support both hdr standards with a update coming soon for HLG etc. Don't get me wrong Sony make good tv's but specs are one thing real world performance another and LG is known for higher customer satisfaction and longer support for products.

[@cumonjugs]

And how am I able to see those differences between DV & HDR 10 on my 1080p 7 years old display?!

[@devinthierault]

Muhammad Haroon because it's processing and it's taking place on the tv that is being filmed

[@mikejohnson8391]

Answer that is easy are going be doing disc or digital? If answered 4K disc then you need tv with full HDR support with ability to support HDR10. If you answered digital like VUDU which uses Dolby Vision with HDR support.

[@lblunt3705]

This is all a gimmick only the experts can see a difference don't fall for the BS people

[@bighands69]

I have seen OLED's running HDR and it looks amazing for movies. Blacks look jet black and colors look look really bright but it all looks life like and realistic.

[@simonfil2]

How are you viewing 12bit on a 10bit screen? Should that be downscaled to 10bit anyway? And those gradient examples are the same. The reason why you dont see any breaks in the gradient in the "12bit" version is because of dithering.

[@zerokiryu6330]

100% of Dolby Vision devices are also HDR10 compatible. You dont ask which someone ahould get. The question is do you just want hdr10 or something that does that and goes much further as well. These arent meant to be compared as though they are different animals. Its like saying do you want a 1080 resolution or a 720 resolution? 1080 can handle 720 sources fine as we'll as 1080. Why would anyone anywhere choose HDR10 over Dolby Vision when yhere is quite literally not one single advantage. Its just an inferior version of the same thing. 100% of Dolby Vision tv's handle both Dolby Vision and HDR10. Sheesh.

[@rmzzz76]

A few thoughts: 1.) Most display monitors are SDR (8-bit color depth at 1080p or higher resolution) so those viewing this video on a standard monitor should disregard any photos shown comparing Dolby Vision to HDR10 as their display isn't capable of showcasing either. Also HDR10 equipped monitors/tvs are incapable of displaying the 12-bit spectrum of Dolby Vision, so Dolby Vision content can't be compared to HDR10 unless the set supports Dolby Vision and HDR10. As a result, looking at HDR content of any sort of an normal SDR monitor is going to produce a washed out effect and is not an accurate depiction of the differences.... So you have thousands of images on the Internet comparing HDR to SDR or HDR to Dolby Vision that are telling lies to your eyes. If you want to truly compare HDR10 to Dolby Vision, you need a 1. Two nearly identical 4k sets of the same screen size. One with Dolby Vision support and one with HDR10 support. 2. Source material mastered for both Dolby Vision and for HDR10. A high-end theater store could arrange this, but your local Best Buy, Walmart, Frys, etc... probably won't. At CES 2017 you could see these sort of demos and the bottom line is once you cross from 8-bit SDR to 10-bit HDR you see a big difference. The jump to 12-bit Dolby Vision or some proprietary similar standard like HDR10+, whatever Samsung calls theirs, etc... Is not going to be a huge leap for the human eye... I see HDR10 as the baseline standard content creators should aim for.

[@Rekreated1]

I clearly see highlights on HDR10, not quite as popping as Dolby, but it is there. But then again, i grew up in the B&W era, color was available, but the cost of a set was not justifiable to a lot of the working class.

[@cmarunde]

But KZbin does not accept Dolby. They convert your Dolby video to HRD10. Right?

HDR 10 and Dolby Vision are both excellent. Especially if you have a tv that supports both like I do. I have the LG 65C6 OLED and both look superior on it.

[@Thedevinexperience]

Get a VIZIO TV, the M series and the P series support both HDR10 and DolbyVision. Content with both HDR formats look amazing on the VIZIO TV's.

[@TechnoDad]

Awesome! Which model do you have?

[@Thedevinexperience]

Techno Dad, I have both the VIZIO M80-D3 and the VIZIO P75-C1. For 4K UHD Blu-ray movies with HDR I prefer the 80 inch, for games and computer usage I prefer the 75 inch. Both have amazing HDR reproduction, I recommend both TV's.

[@TechnoDad]

Wow! That's awesome! Thanks for chiming in! I actually like my smaller 49" 4K TV for gaming. The 65" OLED is nice, but just a bit too big. Gaming doesn't work well when you have to move your head left to right to see the screen, hahahaha! What are you using for 4K UHD Blu-Ray player?

[@Thedevinexperience]

Techno Dad OLED is the best and if I could afford $20,000 for the 77" I'd be all over it, but since I cannot afford that and because my couch is 10 feet from my TV the 75" is perfect and I don't have to move my head at all.

[@TechnoDad]

Nice! Yeah, I got my E6 for almost $1K off the sale price, so I was pretty stoked!

[@keegbots]

I don't know why this doesn't have more views. great explanation and content. just subbed.

[@TechnoDad]

+Keegbot Plays Thank you so much!! I'm glad you found it informative!

[@TLEE1977]

I'm watching this almost 3 years later because I need a new TV. So as a gamer, I am still not interested in investing thousands into a set that doesn't do both formats. It seems that HDR 10+ is the upgrade that still falls short or evens Dolby Vision?

[@docjohnson3980]

You're awesome! Love all your videos, I always learn something new. Thanks for taking the time to make these great videos. 👍

[@TechnoDad]

You're welcome Doc, glad you like them!

[@cosmicheretic8129]

A couple things here. Don't use a compressed crap stream to compare anything. Use a 4K UHD disk mastered in 4K HDR. Second, we are not able to see this difference properly on our screens.

[@rotaalessandro8411]

HDR10+ nice detail ✌👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐.

[@Gambit2483]

Lol..90% of the public has no idea wtf hdr is or why it matters...i think they are just now realizing what 4k is and even then they don't really know...bruh we are WAY ahead of the curve

[@wjadragon6782]

Biggest difference other then the 10-12 bit it the metadata for the picture information. HDR10 is done as an average for the whole movie, Dolby is done on a per frame basis, that;s night and day for being able to reproduce the best looking picture even if the display is only 10 bit. .

[@TechnoDad]

You are completely correct! I made a correction in the video months ago. Thanks for watching!

[@AndreaBogazzi]

I think it all boils down to what format will be supported by movies. I buy blurays, i will buy 4k blurays and they will come out with one support, i do not think we will get a movie for both.

[@Blu6088]

People who say Samsung TVs are anything other than amazing probably own a Vizio.

[@PositiveInvesting]

Bottom line is that Dolby is the better standard, when comparing specs. However, due to availability, they are more or less comparable... maybe in a year or two as the big players have more TV's that can display 10000 nits, Dolby will take the lead. BUT - by then, HDR10 is expected to support 10000 nits as well.

[@mikejohnson8391]

Nicholas J. Paris I rather have excess to my android games use PS4 remote play my ps now games two with my android tv 4k ability as well HDR pro imaging panel with full Dolby Vision imaging and Dolby Vision with multiple HDR formats for best imaging. Possible no matter what I do watch or need. Is Beauty of select 2017 Sony tv's.

[@arashjahn]

LG’s 2017 65uj7700 offers Dolby Vision in a side-lit local dimming LED IPS. I know it is not ideal, however it is thousands less than the upper echelon 65” oleds that offer Dolby vision support. The question is this, while watching Okja on Netflix, the Dolby vision image setting automatically activated. However, there is no way to know what are the more advanced D65 (6500K white balance) settings to manipulate on this specific image setting for the most accurate color? Knowing that Rtings.com’s settings recommendation was for SDR and UHD, what is there by way of calibration files to use when Dolby Vision settings of any supported TV are toggled (something along the lines of a Spears & Musil type media file encoded in Dolby Vision with gradients and color swatches to manipulate contrast, brightness, color settings and the like for your viewing room to get as close to D65 on Dolby Vision content)?

[@MichelleAlexandria-EM]

thanks for putting this together but you missed some key points. HDR10 applies to the entire film/program. What makes Dolby Vision inherently better, theoretically, is that Dolby Vision is an End to End solution. Films (all of the big budget ones) are now being shot in Dolby Vision and encoded with special meta data, that meta data is then translated into Dolby Vision HDR which is tied directly to your Hardware. So since you have an LG TV with Dolby Vision. The content will be optimized for your specific content. So you will get HDR tailored for your TV and Dolby Vision is applied at the Scene level as opposed to the entire picture like HDR10. The other nice thing about Dolby Vision is that since it is Hardware Based, Dolby Vision TVs have to meet stricter, higher end spec requirements to run it, so you know you are getting a top of the line HDR TV and your DV TV will most likely also have HDR10 (since that's software) so you'll have both. Unlike HDR10 which is Software based, therefore HDR10 TV will never be able to support Dolby Vision.

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching! I actually had a segment where I spoke about this, but I forgot to plug in the mic, so there was no sound :( Anyway, I added your comment to the video description. Thanks again!

[@wilsonlee63]

In my opinion more is always better, Dolby Vision is future proof. Although HDR10 is better than nothing, personally I would pay for more pleasurable viewing. My Sony Xperia XZ Premium has HDR10 vs LG G6 Dolby Vision, but I could except the disadvantages 10 bit has on a tiny screen on a smartphone maybe not on a 65" OLED TV display though.

[@x3merx3mer]

The very fact that this difference can be captured and displayed on any cheap monitor means that it is just a processing gimmick, right? At least the differences you're pointing out. You shouldn't even be able to see the difference on a regular monitor, otherwise why would you even need hdr display!?

[@DManOfficial]

@ 6:43 The darker images are looking much more detailed on HDR10. Look at the columns and the crowd there in the left side.

[@TechnoDad]

+D Man I see that! Hanks for pointing it out! I'll have another comparison soon!

[@marcfavell]

If it has dolby vision it has both hdr10 and Dolby vision so if your on a budget get a Hisense or a Vizio P-Series it has hdr10 and Dolby vision as well as well as 10 bit panels

[@BankruptGreek]

tip for you, this video is watchable at 1.2-1.3 speed meaning you should try to talk a bit faster

[@TechnoDad]

+Different Hi! Thanks for the tip! I'm working on it!

[@dontmesswiththelopez]

Excellent video man, answered many of my questions. Good job, keep it up!

[@TechnoDad]

+Roberto Lopez Thanks for watching!!

[@PM70NL]

I don't agree that one is better then the other from these images. They are just graded differently. I do agree with your remark about the details on the floor, but if you look at the right where the light shines through the windows I see much more contrast on the HDR10 side. Right there in the reflections that the light produces on the recessed window sides. So they are different, but not that one is better. Also the gate or stained glass in the back is flavoured differently. Dolby side is more colourful (bluish) while HDR10 side chooses to fill the limited colour space with more brightness leaving less room for colourfulness. It is a matter of artistic choice and flavour if you'd ask me.

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! Thanks for watching! I believe you're right. They are just different. It would be hard to tell which is better in photos than from actually watching.

[@kev3226]

DV is overrated. Hard to tell the difference between DV and hdr10 in today’s TVs. Wish everyone embrace hdr10+ instead because it is royalty free.

[@Sherudons]

Jesus, cut cut cut cut cut cut, it's like a resident evil movie.

[@user-or7nv3uq4f]

so colour on dolby is better but it looks like hdr10 details are better in shadows.

[@faceoff3315]

6:07-6:11 that Sony Vegas Pro?

[@akaredcrossbow]

The only reason Dolby Vision is needed is, to make these dark and dingy Oled screens look bright and give you the depth of color like a led tv would. I have a lg g7 and it is way to dark, no matter what I do, it's terrible. I watched Despicable Me 2 with Dolby Vision on my g7 with Oppo 203 and it wasn't good at all. Made everything eased looking and characters had this weird glow to them. For being a animated how did they mess this up. Put the same movie in Xbox one s with HDR10 and looked better, and if it was a led tv it probably would have looked amazing. I will return the O L E D ( meaning 0 zero L Light E Enable D Dark) for a Sony Z9D or get the Samsung Q9 again. The Samsung Q9 had the best picture that I have ever seen in any other tv, but was plagued with vertical banding. I can deal with banding and light bleed, but can't deal with OLED a technology that won't be good for another 5 years from now.

[@bighands69]

LCD's are toys that do well with gaming and animation. But with real world film they do not look as good because they do not have a good black level which actually makes contrast look childish at best.

[@EliasEH89]

Dolby Vision is the highest standard for audio video

[@TechnoDad]

Dolby Vision is awesome!

[@celticmad66]

Unfortunately my lg 4k tv has Dolby vision but isn't compatible with x box one x can't think why

[@Thee.Mighty]

may be you should learn how to turn off AUTOBRIGHTNESS?

[@daisame]

Seems to me that these subtle differences could have been mastered differently to provide a closer match to each other. I would guess if you mastered the video in one format and then just trans-coded it to the other, you would see differences, especially if you went with a 12 bit color space and moved to 10bit. But if you mastered them both independently, you could overcome those differences.

[@attila1746]

Good information! however, I'm not buying the "you won't miss anything you can't see" argument. That's like saying it's OK to buy an HD TV because you won't miss seeing any 4k content. If at all possible, you should get a set that supports both (if you have or will have all the other equipment required to play both).

[@TechnoDad]

+Anthony Amaturo Yeah, what I was trying to say is if you had only HDR10, and you're not watching anything in DV, you won't necessarily miss something...I am lucky that my OLED has both. However, the budget 4K HDR TV in my bedroom is only HDR10. There are more options now for HDR. Vudu has partnered with Dolby and uses Dolby Vision with all their 4K UHD movies. I own the 4K UHD disc of Oblivion, which will display in HDR10, but when I add that to Vudu, it comes through as Dolby Vision. Kinda strange. Anyway, that will be the next comparison, and I think I won't do the side by side thing. Thanks for your input and thanks for watching!!

[@attila1746]

OK, I can buy that. When it comes right down to it, I doubt you'll be able to see much difference between DV and HDR10. However, HLG and Technicolor now have standards that can bring HDR to HD SDR. Can't wait to see that. BTW, just ordered the new LG "Wallpaper" OLED, which has DV, HDR10, and HLG. Can't wait.....

[@TechnoDad]

+Anthony Amaturo Sweet!! That's a damn nice TV! You should check out Vudu, it streams Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos! Since you have that Atmos enabled sound bar, it should be a cool experience!! I believe that you will also have Technicolor. I've heard that LG will add HLG and Technicolor to its 2016 line of OLED TVs...fingers crossed!!

[@attila1746]

Techno Dad Can't say I'm too excited about the soundbar, since I already have a surround system. But, we'll see.....

[@daniels.k1911]

Hello .!! Witch TV would you choose for 3000 euros? SONY KD55A1BAEP OLED , LOEWE bild 4.55 OLED , PANASONIC TX-55EZW954 OLED , LG 65B7D OLED , PHILIPS 55POS9002 ?? It will be used for Home Theater

[@gt0703]

I don't understand why the difference in the two images is clear on my dirt cheap laptop display...

[@ArnabBose]

The bars for 8 bit shown at 2:05 are definitely not 256 in number.

[@mdwhite85]

I want a tv that supports Dolby vision, but what if I happen to watch content that is only supported in hdr10 ?

[@choonwahyee9101]

Dolby are top levels in ,both of sound speaker's and vision quality! Lone times ago, dolby are top name in cassette tapes,reel to reel player,! Now , cd,dvd,and ..... Led ,oled,qled !

[@cameronstrickland5340]

The dirt was not shown better. That frame was just darker. The rest Dolby was better but the first one HDR10 was better.

[@marcfavell]

And if you really want to see a difference between Dolby vision and hdr10, Dolby vision is shot at 12 bit and down converted to 10 bit and uses Dynamic metadata so can change scene by scene plus it's tailored to each TV differently where hdr10 is static metadata and is the same throughout the whole movie from beginning to end and on each and every TV . Personally I think Dolby Vision looks way better than hd10 you click on it and I guess we'll have to wait till the first Dolby vision 4k Blu-ray comes out what will be the Last Jedi of your wondering.

[@falex1880]

Might not be that relevant. But if you have 4K service from Netflix and have an Iphone X you’ll notice that you can see Dolby Vision content. Like Marco Polo series.of course a 5.8” screen not as immersive as a 55 or 65’ TV but at least you’ll get an idea.

[@tonyrobles9070]

Thanks for all the info! It's really helpful!

[@TechnoDad]

You are welcome! I will have more comparisons coming up!

[@joshzwies3601]

Wait a minute, If I recall desktop computers have been able to output 16bit & 32bit color since before I can remember, has it really taken 20+ years to get a display that can take advantage of it?

[@litot.3892]

All current displays clip to a point in HDR10 so IMO Dolby wins because there is not clip at all. HDR10 is currently in static metadata while Dolby have a Dynamic metadata.

[@TechnoDad]

Agreed! The dynamic nature of Dolby Vision really does set it apart from HDR10.

[@BAMozzy69]

Samsung TV's do not clip with HDR10 and Dynamic Metadata is coming to HDR10 too so the ONLY difference between the two is that DV is 12bit - not that any TV can offer 12bit panels yet. All the TVs adding DV suffered clipping! DV could become the Betamax of HDR - more expensive both to manufacturers and makers of content and under supported. All HDR content will be HDR10 with 'some' content also adding DV support on top.

[@mikejohnson8391]

BAMozzy I know all this and lot more.

[@thebossman80s]

All these numbers and figures, it’s starting to get a bit much when you need this kind of information before choosing a tv

[@greenchef6]

Dolby Vision is mastered in 10 bits for streaming. 12 bits is only for theaters.

[@TechnoDad]

+Jesusarus Rex Thanks for the tip, I didn't know that. Do they master DV in 12bit for 4K UHD discs??

[@TechnoDad]

+Jesusarus Rex hi! Do they master DV in 12 nits for UHD discs?

[@WilliamDeanPlumbing]

haha, I could see the vertical lines on the 12bit , but of course that was youtube compression kicking in there with a lower bit.

[@TechnoDad]

+William Dean Hi! Yeah, YT compression is not the best, but oh well. I thought it would be a cool idea.

[@AnthonySimmons0226]

LG OLED does not support HDR10 properly. If you're going to do a comparison of both formats then pick devices that are best at displaying them, and also not using a external device like a Xbox One S to do it.

[@TechnoDad]

+Anthony Simmons The point is to keep everything the same, so I'm comparing the two different HDR technologies on the one screen. That's the proper way to compare. Keeping variables to a minimum. If Samsung ever supported both, then we can compare HDR on a Samsung, but they are too cool for school and, according to their marketing, they will never adopt DV. So this is the closest comparison you can get.