Domain and Range of the Infinite Power Tower Function

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@EpicMathTime
@EpicMathTime 4 жыл бұрын
The range being from e raised to its additive inverse, to e raised to its multiplicative inverse, is really aesthetic.
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 жыл бұрын
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@dinohall2595
@dinohall2595 3 жыл бұрын
That blue pen is crying about not being in the channel name. It did so much work for no recognition. We salute you, blue pen.
@johnswingle7648
@johnswingle7648 3 жыл бұрын
I love how honest you were about not knowing the = sign part! That's great. You still had something to teach me and I appreciate it when people don't try to cover up parts they don't know. First video I've seen of yours and I just subscribed!
@nilss0nDav
@nilss0nDav 4 жыл бұрын
A question still remains, why did you not already factored pen in blackpenredpen ? sorry dont judge me ... love ya
@Arthur-qe8xc
@Arthur-qe8xc 4 жыл бұрын
blackpen + redpen = pen(black + red)
@tonaxysam
@tonaxysam 4 жыл бұрын
Tecnically, everything in blackpenredpen is multiplying, so it would be pen²blackred
@EpicMathTime
@EpicMathTime 4 жыл бұрын
@@tonaxysam You are assuming abelian though
@luminescentMothgirl
@luminescentMothgirl 4 жыл бұрын
Black * pen * red * pen = pen^2 * maroon
@mahatmaniggandhi2898
@mahatmaniggandhi2898 3 жыл бұрын
@@luminescentMothgirl lol
@VaradMahashabde
@VaradMahashabde 4 жыл бұрын
4:22 The equality is missing because think of g(x) = f(x) - x. f(x) is the recurrence function. If g(x_0) = 0 and dg/dx > 0, in physics it would be an unstable equilibrium as if you got away from x_0, the repeated application of the recursion will take you further from x_0, hence it is not a convergent value. If dg/dx < 0, in physics it would be an stable equilibrium because if you got away from x_0, the repeated application of the recursion will take you towards from x_0, hence it is a convergent value. But if dg/dx is Zero, it is only converging from one side, but diverging from the other Edit : 3b1b's video explaining ne it much better, obviously kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZe6aWdrgbOCmK8
@rajibsarmah6744
@rajibsarmah6744 4 жыл бұрын
Click here for video kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZnKn3atmMlrpaM
@rajibsarmah6744
@rajibsarmah6744 4 жыл бұрын
Click here for video kzbin.info/www/bejne/npPNZ3SGrrNmiNE
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 4 жыл бұрын
But the recurrence function is defined at d(g)/dx = 0 . Do we really have to require that the convergence be the same from left and right?
@VaradMahashabde
@VaradMahashabde 4 жыл бұрын
@@valeriobertoncello1809 it's only trying to give an analogy, I have edited in the post a video which explains it properly
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 4 жыл бұрын
@@VaradMahashabde What's the timestamp?
@a.a7mdoo368
@a.a7mdoo368 4 жыл бұрын
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@stefanocarini8117
@stefanocarini8117 4 жыл бұрын
You really are an amazing teacher! Thank you
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! And you found my secret video!
@siddharthsoni2101
@siddharthsoni2101 4 жыл бұрын
How the comment 2 months ago...even though video was uploaded 7 hrs ago
@puneetmishra4726
@puneetmishra4726 4 жыл бұрын
@@siddharthsoni2101 patreon, may be.
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How did you find the video?
@siddharthsoni2101
@siddharthsoni2101 4 жыл бұрын
@@puneetmishra4726 what's the meaning of patreon?
@landsgevaer
@landsgevaer 4 жыл бұрын
About what happens at the equalities: the upper limit does not generally belong to the domain (or at least it depends on your starting value), but the lower one does. Motivation: We can look at how the function y_n+1 = x ^ y_n behaves to justify that. We look at how a small perturbation eps around the solution behaves (with eps arbitrarily small): - First, for the upper limit where x = e^(1/e) and y = e. You may check that if y_n = e, then y_n+1 = (e^(1/e)) ^ e = e^1 = e as well, so it is indeed a fixed point, consistent with the video. Let's now look at a perturbed value y_n = e+eps. Then y_n+1 = (e^(1/e))^(e+eps) = (e^(1/e))^e * (e^(1/e))^eps = e * e^(eps/e) = e * (1 + eps/e + 1/2*(eps/e)^2 + ...) = e + eps + 1/2*eps^2/e + ... . So we see that a perturbed y_n by an amount eps is mapped onto a perturbed y_n+1 by an amount eps+1/2*eps^2/e (plus higher-order terms that are negligible for sufficiently small eps). That extra quadratic term in eps is strictly positive. Therefore, negative perturbations eps become less perturbed, but positive perturbations become more perturbed. Therefore the solution is stable from one side but unstable from the other. This is called semi-stable, but that *is not* generally speaking a stable fixed point. (Although it does converge for the case where it is specified that y_1 = x, like in the video, since that approaches from below, albeit slowly.) - Next, for the lower limit where x = e^(-e) and y = 1/e. You may check that if y_n = 1/e, then y_n+1 = (e^(-e)) ^ (1/e) = e^(-1) = 1/e as well, so it is again a fixed point, as derived in the video. For the perturbed value y_n = 1/e+eps however, y_n+1 = (e^(-e))^(1/e+eps) = (e^(-e))^(1/e) * (e^(-e))^eps = 1/e * e^(-eps*e) = 1/e * (1 - eps*e + 1/2*(eps*e)^2 + ...) = 1/e - eps + 1/2*eps^2*e + ... . So we see that a perturbed y_n by an amount eps is mapped onto a perturbed y_n+1 by an amount -eps+1/2*eps^2*e (plus higher-order terms). At first sight, this seems similar to the previous case. However, interestingly, the sign of the perturbation flips, from eps towards -eps. So also the perturbations flip back and forth between the stable and unstable side and become alternately smaller and larger in magnitude! To resolve the total effect of that, we look at an additional term of the power series to find that y_n = 1/e+eps is mapped onto y_n+1 = 1/e - eps + 1/2*eps^2*e - 1/6*eps^3/e^2 + ... , and repeating the same idea for another iteration this is mapped onto y_n+2 = (e^(-e))^(1/e - eps + 1/2*eps^2*e - 1/6*eps^3*e^2 + ...) = (e^(-e))^(1/e) * (e^(-e))^(-eps) * (e^(-e))^(1/2*eps^2*e) * (e^(-e))^(-1/6*eps^3*e^2) * ... . Keeping only up to third-order terms in eps, this amounts to 1/e * (e^(eps*e)) * (e^(-1/2*eps^2*e^2)) * (e^(1/6*eps^3*e^3)) = 1/e * (1+eps*e+1/2*eps^2*e^2+1/6*eps^3*e^3) * (1-1/2*eps^2*e^2) * (1+1/6*eps^3*e^3) = 1/e + eps - 1/6*eps^3*e^2. Note that the quadratic terms cancel, but when including third-order terms a positive perturbation is mapped onto a slightly smaller perturbation, and a negative one to a slightly bigger one (since the third-order term -1/6*eps^3*e^2 always has the opposite sign compared to eps). So on both sides the perturbation tends towards zero now. Therefore, this *is* a stable fixed point. Together, the lower limit of the domain converges, but the upper limit only "semi-converges" (which is therefore not generally convergent, and depends on the starting value for y_1). The domain includes the lower limit but not necessarily the upper. #QED Just to be sure, I checked this with some numeric computations, and it seems to work out as derived. Might be a nice followup video in itself? With apologies for the cumbersome plain text notation... ;-)
@VaradMahashabde
@VaradMahashabde 4 жыл бұрын
Man this is too thorough...
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
It holds at the upper bound too, though.
@landsgevaer
@landsgevaer 4 жыл бұрын
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Not if you start the iteration y_n+1 = x ^ y_n from a value y_0 > e. So the upper boundaries convergence depends on your starting point. Try it. That is called semi-convergent.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
Dave Langers I don't think that matters at all. Mathematically speaking, we still say it converges at the upper bound, and this is precisely what you will find everywhere in the literature in the subject
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 4 жыл бұрын
I think that in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/m520h42Cgc6impY 3b1b does a really nice job explaining a nice (visual) solution to the puzzle (especially around 19:55). If you watch it, you immidiately understand why the equalities hold, and not only the inequalities. His approach is based on cobweb diagrams: the infinite power tower converges whenever the cobweb diagram between the functions y=a^x and y=x, starting from the input value x, converges to an intersection point of the two functions. The upper bound of this interval of convergence is found when and where y=a^x is tangent to y=x, i.e. there's only one point of intersection between the two functions in which both have slope 1.
@jayantasarker197
@jayantasarker197 4 жыл бұрын
Steve sir(blackpenredpen) pls reply to this Thank u sir for such tricky questions I am in 8th standard U made my interest in calculus I learnt calculus because of u I am from india Keep challenging us with such questions My name is prittish
@ganitagya-suryanshkhatri6231
@ganitagya-suryanshkhatri6231 4 жыл бұрын
Yes he indeed taught calculus very nicely, he's been of great help to me as well
@krrishmaheshwari4860
@krrishmaheshwari4860 4 жыл бұрын
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@carlosrosales1712
@carlosrosales1712 4 жыл бұрын
There is a very interesting research paper called “exponential reiterated” that answers your questions among others.
@peterdecupis8296
@peterdecupis8296 2 жыл бұрын
the application of the fixed point theorem is clear for the case z>1; in this case, for zz>e^(-e), and for the bipolar oscillation for z
@EKbnc
@EKbnc 4 жыл бұрын
I really do appreciate the fact that you are willing to say that you don't know how to get the the equalities So many people just pretend they know, and in my opinion that's just bad teaching
@sampson4844
@sampson4844 4 жыл бұрын
I am not sure but I remember 3b1b asked a question about this as a homework in his lockdown math series, so this video answered the question,great!!
@user-yg97f5hfvh
@user-yg97f5hfvh 4 жыл бұрын
Why there are comments 2 months ago even the video is 5 hours ago
@utsah470
@utsah470 4 жыл бұрын
Yes right...why is that ? EDIT : now I know, he replied to one of the comments saying that this video was unlisted and he has published it now...👍
@joeljose182
@joeljose182 4 жыл бұрын
@@utsah470 exactly
@vgarzareyna
@vgarzareyna 4 жыл бұрын
The video was unlisted and somebody found the link
@steve2817
@steve2817 4 жыл бұрын
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@user-yg97f5hfvh
@user-yg97f5hfvh 4 жыл бұрын
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@zanti4132
@zanti4132 4 жыл бұрын
So basically this problem involves solving x^y = y for the domain and range where this equation is defined. If you are given y, you can the value for x, that being x = y^(1/y). What if you are given x? Can you find the value for y?
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can also use the lambert W function for it.
@federicopagano6590
@federicopagano6590 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's better to think backwards if f (x) is defined over [a,b] it's derivative it's defined over (a,b) it loses ending points
@sushamakokate7752
@sushamakokate7752 4 жыл бұрын
By looking at thumbnail I was like..I know this😀..after watching full video I realised I knew only 40% of this..Thank You!🙏🏻👍🏻
@helo3827
@helo3827 4 жыл бұрын
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@dbmalesani
@dbmalesani 4 жыл бұрын
My attempt to show that the infinite exponentiation tower converges for x = exp(1/e). It is based on showing that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded, hence it converges. This argument does not work for x = exp(-e), because the sequence is not monotonic. I tend to be verbose (maybe tedious!) so this comment is quite long! Let define recursively the tetration sequence as: y(1) = x, y(n) = x^[y(n-1)] for n > 1. Note that it's a parametric family of sequences, and we limit to the case 1 ≤ x ≤ e^(1/e). 1a) Let's first show that the sequence y(n) is monotonically increasing, that is y(n+1) ≥ y(n). For the base case (n = 1) we need to prove that y(2) ≥ y(1), which reduces to x^x ≥ x, or x^x - x ≥ 0. This is a calculus exercise, and one can relatively easily show that a) x^x - x = 0 for x = 1 (by direct substitution) and that b) the derivative of x^x - x is given by x^x·[ln(x)+1] - 1 ≥ ln(x) + 1 - 1 ≥ 0 for x ≥ 1 (since x^x ≥ 1 and ln(x) ≥ 0 for x ≥ 1). This implies that x^x - x is non-negative for x ≥ 1, that is x^x ≥ x, which proves the induction base case. One can also double-check graphically using any plotting tool. 1b) Moving on to the general induction step, let's assume that y(n) ≥ y(n-1), and prove that y(n+1) ≥ y(n). We have y(n+1) = x^y(n) ≥ x^y(n-1) = y(n), which is what we want. I have used the induction hypothesis and the fact that the function x^t is monotonically increasing (as a function of t) for a fixed x ≥ 1. 2) Let's now prove that y(n) is bounded; remember that 1 ≤ x ≤ e^(1/e) ≈ 1.445. First, y(n) is obviously always positive, that is bounded from below. We now show, again by induction, that y(n) ≤ e. The base case is trivial, as y(1) = x ≤ e^(1/e) < e. For the general induction step, let's assume that y(n) ≤ e, and prove that y(n+1) ≤ e. We have y(n+1) = x^y(n) ≤ x^e ≤ [e^(1/e)]^e = e^(e/e) = e. This last inequality sheds some light on why the upper bound of the x convergence range is e^(1/e): it is the largest value of x such that x^e ≤ e. Points 1) and 2) show that y(n) is a bounded, monotonically increasing sequence. Since ℝ is a complete metric space, y(n) converges to a limit L, which concludes the proof. Furthermore, if L = lim y(n) for n → +∞ , by taking the limits for n → +∞ of both sides of the recursive definition of y(n), we have L = lim[y(n)] = lim[x^y(n-1)] = x^lim[y(n-1)] = x^L, which shows that L is the solution to the equation L = x^L. Consistently, this equation has solutions only if x ≤ e^(1/e). PS: step 1a) would become simpler by defining y(0) = 1 (carrying exponentiation "0 times" yields 1) and y(n) = x^[y(n)] for n > 0. This still recovers y(1) = x as it should be. But the base induction step becomes y(1) ≥ y(0), that is x ≥ 1, which is trivially true. The general induction step does not change because it still holds y(n) = x^[y(n-1)] for n ≥ 1. In point 2), the base induction step is similarly trivial: y(0) = 1 < e^(1/e) < e.
@rithikr6380
@rithikr6380 4 жыл бұрын
5:09 I thought this formula was only applicable if the base were a constant. Can someone explain how he used it for (x^y), even though x is dependent on y?
@markstavros7505
@markstavros7505 10 ай бұрын
You're right. I realized that too when I watched it. I've been working on this function on my own for a while before seeing this video. I had different results
@DANGJOS
@DANGJOS 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to try this out on my calculator! Thanks for the Interesting video.
@azhakabad4229
@azhakabad4229 4 жыл бұрын
Another mind boggling video!
@chessematics
@chessematics 4 жыл бұрын
Want daily doses like michael penn
@MOHNAKHAN
@MOHNAKHAN 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, you are wonderful. One question from myside plz. One person forgot his 4 Digit ATM pin but he remembers 4 things about his ATM pin... 1) First Digit is half of Third digit 2) sum of second and third digit is 8 3) Fourth digit is multiple of first & second digit 4) All four digits sum is 12. So, Generate the formula to build the ATM PIN
@kevomtb6882
@kevomtb6882 4 жыл бұрын
Let abcd be a four digit number, where a,b,c,d are elements of the set of natural numbers + {0} (since no ATM pin is negative or has decimal expansion). Also: first digit is half of the third digit (2a=c); sum of second and third digit is 8 (b+c=8); fourth digit is multiple of first and second digit (d=ab); sum of a,b,c,d is 12 (a+b+c+d=12). We already have the value of c in terms of a (2a=c), so we can replace c in the second formula (b+2a=8). Solving for b we get b=8-2a. Then, we replace b in the formula for d to get d=a(8-2a). By expanding the expression we get d=-2a^2+8a. Next, the sum of all the digits is 12, namely (a)+(8-2a)+(2a)+(-2a^2+8a)=12. By arranging and cancelling terms, we get the quadratic expression -2a^2+9a-4=0 By solving for the values of a you get that a:{1/2, 4}. Since a is a natural number, the only value for a is 4. Finally, we just plug in a for every digit formula. 2a=c -> 8=c; b+c=8 -> b=0; d=ab -> d=0. In the end, the ATM pin is 4080
@MOHNAKHAN
@MOHNAKHAN 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevomtb6882 thanks
@helo3827
@helo3827 4 жыл бұрын
You are my favorite youtuber
@yushenli2165
@yushenli2165 4 жыл бұрын
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@niejocelyn1635
@niejocelyn1635 4 жыл бұрын
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@oferzilberman5049
@oferzilberman5049 4 жыл бұрын
You can have a limit of lim a→∞ (x↑↑a) maybe?
@tonaxysam
@tonaxysam 3 жыл бұрын
infinity I mean, if x > 1, (x↑↑a) > x^a, and the limit when a -> ∞ of x^a is ∞, so lim a→∞ (x↑↑a) = ∞ if x > 1. If x
@איתןגרינזייד
@איתןגרינזייד 4 жыл бұрын
Hello blackpenredpen, I looked at math on the internet (cuz it's fun) and I found a video that showed an amazing way to prove Euler's formula, plz put it in a video Let f(X)=e^(-ix)*(cos(X)+i*sin(X)) We'll take the derivative and after simplification (I won't write it because it will be so annoying to write in a comment) we will get that the derivative is 0 meaning that our original function is a constant c and after plugging into the function X=0 we will get c=1 meaning that: e^(-ix)*(cos(X)+i*sin(X))=1 Meaning that: e^ix = cos(X)+i*sin(X) And that's it, I think that this is so amazing and I hope you put this in a video (plz)
@gobbleguk
@gobbleguk 4 жыл бұрын
Nice chain chomp
@jaysonbunnell8097
@jaysonbunnell8097 3 жыл бұрын
looks like i finally have a new favorite maths equation
@thememer9031
@thememer9031 4 жыл бұрын
blackredpen Did you know you don't need the chain rule to calculate d/dx(log(9x)? You can just rewrite it as a sum as d/dx(log(9)+ log(x) because of the log property log(ab) = log(a)+ log(b). Log(9) becomes 0 because its a constant but log(x) becomes 1/ln(10)x. Other than that case and a couple of other cases, I recommend using the chain rule but that is also an optimized strategy.
@Ironmonk036
@Ironmonk036 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Mario Chomper Mic!
@kapoioBCS
@kapoioBCS 4 жыл бұрын
Very intersting arxiv paper , simple enough for first year university students 👍
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How did you find this video?
@NikitaNair
@NikitaNair 4 жыл бұрын
@@pbj4184 Time travel??!!!
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
@@NikitaNair Someone I asked said they found a link to this video in the description of some other video. Watching videos before they're released is really cool!
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 жыл бұрын
IN ORDER TO get the inequalites, for the domain, just plug a number bigger than the bigger number.
@peakpersona-yash
@peakpersona-yash 4 жыл бұрын
Blackpenredpen this is a challenge for you Find the value of x when x⁹⁹=99to the power x Note that x is not equal to 99
@joonasgreis2781
@joonasgreis2781 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see this solved in few different ways. And at least with Lambert W function. There are few solutions on the internet, but I can't wrap my head around them for some reason. Like this one: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1292773/solving-xy-yx-analytically-in-terms-of-the-lambert-w-function. How does −ln(y) equals −y*ln(x)/x in second last step? What am I missing here?
@joonasgreis2781
@joonasgreis2781 4 жыл бұрын
Found it! here is a good explanantion about the whole solution: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIfRiGmNdrKSedE
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
Are you looking for all complex solutions, or only one real solution? Because if x is not an integer, then 99^x := exp[ln(99)·(x + 2nπi)] for any integer n. If x^99 = exp[ln(99)·(x + 2nπi)], then x = exp[ln(99)/99·(x + 2nπi)], and x = exp[ln(x) + 2mπi] for any integer m. Therefore, ln(x) + 2mπi = ln(99)/99·(x + 2nπi), 99·ln(x) + 198mπi = ln(99)·x + 2·ln(99)·nπi, implying ln(99)·x - 99·ln(x) = [198m - ln(198)·n]·πi.
@jibiteshsaha4392
@jibiteshsaha4392 4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone explain how did the inequality at 4:15 come from Any proof?? I really tried a lot to find it Please someone help How can we prove the criteria for convergence of fixed point?? 🙏🙏🙏 It's bugging me for days
@Bambani-tr7jw
@Bambani-tr7jw 4 жыл бұрын
Description
@jibiteshsaha4392
@jibiteshsaha4392 4 жыл бұрын
@@Bambani-tr7jw I don't get it brother It is just showing the criteria "Absolute value of first derivative of function of y should be less than 1"
@jibiteshsaha4392
@jibiteshsaha4392 4 жыл бұрын
@@Bambani-tr7jw how does this conclusion come from I don't get it
@hetsmiecht1029
@hetsmiecht1029 4 жыл бұрын
@@jibiteshsaha4392 check the description of the video. He put a reference to an article which should explain it. Edit: it can be nicely visualised with a 'cobweb' construction (see the second reference in the video description).
@jibiteshsaha4392
@jibiteshsaha4392 4 жыл бұрын
@@hetsmiecht1029 I looked into it and I didn't get how the fixed point convergence criteria comes I just don't want to memorize it and consider it is true Or else I would be interested in chemistry I tried but didn't get the specific part of reference in which that proof is given
@peterdecupis8296
@peterdecupis8296 2 жыл бұрын
If you are oriented to a rigorous theoretical approach to the convergence behaviour, that uses no graphic/computational hints (e.g. coboweb...), a complete work is "Reiterated exponentials" by Knoebel, 1981 (free on web); divergence, convergence and alternate oscillation are rigorously explained using classic real analysis theoretical tools. An accurate, deep study of the complete proof presented in this article provides all the necessary background if you are interested in a rigorous approach to further generalization of this problem, (e.g. infinite power tower with variable exponents) as is treated by more recent literature(*) (* see e.g.: F.J. Toledo "On the convergence of infinite towers of powers and logarithms for general initial data: applications to Lambert W function sequences")
@Tempo_Topos
@Tempo_Topos 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to use analytic continuation or other techniques to extend the infinite power tower function?
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
The analytic continuation is given by -W[-log(z)]/log(z)
@blazedinfernape886
@blazedinfernape886 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't this video posted earlier?
@venomousmath7661
@venomousmath7661 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm not understand that how you tell about the fixed point, for x^y =y , you are considering the input as y ,the output is y too, then for the coordinates you just got (x,5) let say y=5 ,but x isn't fixed isn't it ? How come the point fixed ? For one more ,the x should be the input the y would be the output isn't it ? Is the y in the x^y is the input ,while the y on the right hand is output , the whats x suppose to be ?
@trapkat8213
@trapkat8213 Жыл бұрын
Very good presentation!
@mahatmaniggandhi2898
@mahatmaniggandhi2898 3 жыл бұрын
but y=x/2 has a slope smaller than 1 and it still doesnt converge. shouldnt the slope be zero at infinity for it to converge in infinity? but y is not infinity so at the border of our domain our range and our slope will be infinity or rather undefined
@chonghow1804
@chonghow1804 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't understand anything but I still clicked the like button, because it's black pen red pen hence it must be good
@adityjha7240
@adityjha7240 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! Can you please make a video about the Zeta function at irrational number Such as 'e' Or pi'' Please try it Hey blackpenredpen please reply👍👍 or any body can
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
Do you mean the Riemann Zeta function ζ(s)? If so, there is nothing interesting about the function evaluated at e or π. In fact, there is nothing to be said about the function evaluated at those values, because no closed form for the function at those values exists.
@adityjha7240
@adityjha7240 4 жыл бұрын
A very thank you To you
@Informative229
@Informative229 4 жыл бұрын
I am from India. Your videos are excellent
@andreivlasenko527
@andreivlasenko527 4 жыл бұрын
but can you integrate this or find length of the curve
@siddharthsoni2101
@siddharthsoni2101 4 жыл бұрын
Given an acute non-isosceles triangle ABC with circumcircle Γ. M is the midpoint of segment BC and N is the midpoint of arc BC of Γ (the one that doesn't contains A). X and Y are points on Γ such that BX || CY || AM. Assume there exists point Z on segment BC such that circumcircle of triangle XYZ is tangent to BC. Let ω be the circumcircle of triangle ZMN. Line AM meets ω for the second time at P. Let K be a point on w such that KN || AM, ωb be a circle that passes through B, X and tangents to BC and be a circle that passes through B, X and tangents to BC and ωc be a circle that passes through C, Y and tangents to BC. Prove that circle with center K and radius KP is tangent to 3 circles ωb, ωc & Γ. Can you solve this question plz...
@siddharthsoni2101
@siddharthsoni2101 4 жыл бұрын
@Leonhard Euler nope its an igo question (iranian geometry olympiad)
@vj51
@vj51 4 жыл бұрын
5:25 i thought this formula works only if b is constant
@maxmuller445
@maxmuller445 4 жыл бұрын
It is in this case, since we are diffing y and x does not contain y (which is our power tower) :)
@DANGJOS
@DANGJOS 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxmuller445 What do these power towers converge to?? I'm putting it in my calculator, and the numbers keep getting exponentially larger!
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
DANG JOS They only converge for certain bases.
@DANGJOS
@DANGJOS 4 жыл бұрын
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Yeah I was doing the calculation wrong
@theimmux3034
@theimmux3034 4 жыл бұрын
3b1b has a Lockdown math video about this infinite power tower
@sciencifier3232
@sciencifier3232 4 жыл бұрын
Did you bought the wireless mic???😂😂😂
@utsah470
@utsah470 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@taekwondotime
@taekwondotime 4 жыл бұрын
It's *Chain Chomp* from Super Mario Brothers! Love it! :D
@siah2930
@siah2930 4 жыл бұрын
It's been a while since I've taken calculus, can someone remind me why we know the function converges if the absolute value of the function's derivative is less than one?
@landsgevaer
@landsgevaer 4 жыл бұрын
The magnitude of the deviation from the solution is multiplied by that derivative with each iteration. So if its magnitude is smaller than 1, it means that the deviation decreases and the solution converges (at least when sufficiently near). Similarly, if the derivative is positive, you converge from one side, and if the derivative is negative you hop around from left to right around the solution.
@TheLarsChannel
@TheLarsChannel 4 жыл бұрын
You are an amazing inspiration. How about doing some multivariate analysis?
@espeed10
@espeed10 4 жыл бұрын
Given other requirement we need as viewers, it's quite bizarre that you explained fixpoints to us. interesting video tho
@chessematics
@chessematics 4 жыл бұрын
Lagrange resolvent...Please explain that
@akuljaiswal6755
@akuljaiswal6755 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is really genius in maths
@LShadow77
@LShadow77 4 жыл бұрын
Can I suggest the idea for your some future video? This idea was came to my mind at old school years. It is to find the function f(x,t) satisfied following conditions: f(1,t) = cos(t); f(2,t) = cos(cos(t)); f(3,t) = cos(cos(cos(t))); and so on.. an x of course is the real number in common case, not an integer! So, what about this ffffunction?:)
@ganitagya-suryanshkhatri6231
@ganitagya-suryanshkhatri6231 4 жыл бұрын
I have one question, why don't you use a simple microphone which you don't need to carry in your hand? Doesn't this become a bit uncomfortable? Btw, awesome video as always!
@krrishmaheshwari4860
@krrishmaheshwari4860 4 жыл бұрын
Hi sir how can we suggest you or ask you intresting question's? Please tell
@jayantanayak4981
@jayantanayak4981 3 жыл бұрын
0:52 that's what she said🥺😞😭😭😭
@Jesin00
@Jesin00 3 жыл бұрын
Is this function analytic in this range? If so, can we use analytic continuation to extend it further?
@shinyeontae
@shinyeontae 4 жыл бұрын
Your mic is the best
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How did you find this video?
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
@@shinyeontae When he published it
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
@@shinyeontae Oh I see. That's nice
@abhishekanand5112
@abhishekanand5112 4 жыл бұрын
Sir actually d/dx(a^x)=a^xlna only if a is constant.. but if we have both base and exponent variable like in the case of video ( 6:00 ) as X^Y we have to first write it as e^(YlnX) and then differentiate it.... I think you done that in a wrong way.... Love from INDIA
@cyrusyeung8096
@cyrusyeung8096 4 жыл бұрын
This is actually partial derivative. In this case, since we are doing d/dy, the other variable ( x ) is treated as a constant. Therefore, d/dy(x^y) = d/dy(constant^y)
@Bayerwaldler
@Bayerwaldler 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, he is looking at the function f(y) = x^y for a /given/ x. If this function has a fixed point y* satisfying -1 < f'(y*) < 1 then the sequence y0, y1=f(y0), y2=f(y1) ... will converge towards y*, provided that y0 is close enough to y*. That leads us to the intervals for y and x as bprp did. Everything OK with that. The tricky point is: What happens if you don't start with a y0 close enough to y* but with the given x itself - is it close enough? That's the case for the infinite power x, x^x, x^(x^x)... The analysis only works for the tower y0, x^y0, x^(x^y0) ... with y0 close enough to y*. One really should show that this also works for y0 = x provided that x is in the given interval e^-e < x < e^(1/e)
@abhishekanand5112
@abhishekanand5112 4 жыл бұрын
@@Bayerwaldler got it dude!
@IanMiller-r9c
@IanMiller-r9c 2 ай бұрын
HI All - I'd like to write in a simple format an infinite number of Power Towers for a base number example 3 ^3 ^ 3 ^ 3 ^ 3 - I'd like to have an infinite number of power towers nested acting on this power tower but I don't know how to write it.
@muralik3065
@muralik3065 4 жыл бұрын
I have a doubt related to integral of √tanx. For the integration of dx/x²-a², we can also use 1/2a ln|x-a/x+a| instead of hyperbolic tangent right. Edit: please clear my doubt. I hv an exam in my skl tomorrow
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
Technically speaking, the usage of ln|(x - a)/(x + a)|/(2a) is correct.
@lorenzovannini82
@lorenzovannini82 4 жыл бұрын
What is the marker's brand?
@konstantinsarychev9305
@konstantinsarychev9305 4 жыл бұрын
And why not to put y = x^y in the d/dy(x^y)? Technically, it’s the same what you did later. Then we will get d/dy(y). It will give a constant, no? And what’s next? So, are you sure that this substution is correct and it’s not a try to fit the prove to the solution?
@NannanAV
@NannanAV 4 жыл бұрын
@blackpenredpen Can you explain how the convergence of fixed point rule was derived?
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How did you find this video?
@horndude77
@horndude77 4 жыл бұрын
We should get you a bigger white board. Great stuff.
@twistedsector
@twistedsector 4 жыл бұрын
Only 420 people found this secret video?
@utsah470
@utsah470 4 жыл бұрын
Ahh, he commented in one of the comments that this video was unlisted and he published it now.
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How did you find this video?
@safinahammed4391
@safinahammed4391 4 жыл бұрын
You are just amazing 💖❤️, boss of Math
@rajibsarmah6744
@rajibsarmah6744 4 жыл бұрын
Please🙏
@rajibsarmah6744
@rajibsarmah6744 4 жыл бұрын
Click here for mathematics video kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZnKn3atmMlrpaM
@rajibsarmah6744
@rajibsarmah6744 4 жыл бұрын
Click here for proof of Green's theorem kzbin.info/www/bejne/npPNZ3SGrrNmiNE
@mokouf3
@mokouf3 4 жыл бұрын
Can I ask a question? I wanted to solve an ODE: y'' + xy' + ky = 0, where k is constant.
@2appleboy
@2appleboy 4 жыл бұрын
My gut says to use Laplace or Fourier Transform method
@mokouf3
@mokouf3 4 жыл бұрын
@@2appleboy Thanks. This brings me nearer to the solution. this is the key to solve 2D wave equation.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
You use infinite series too.
@mokouf3
@mokouf3 4 жыл бұрын
Actually I did find that I got the wrong 2D wave equation solution. The r part should look like xy'' + y' + kxy = 0 instead. I found that both Laplace/Fourier Transform don't help me get to the solution I saw in WolframAlpha. I have to learn more functions before trying.
@mokouf3
@mokouf3 4 жыл бұрын
Moreover, those solutions are non-elementary...3D wave equation is much easier.
@NageshNagesh-wo1ox
@NageshNagesh-wo1ox 4 жыл бұрын
Can you name a best book of calculus (differentiation,calculus, area related to calclus ,and more .) Which can make me to zero to best? Please any one @ *blackpenredpen*
@XanderGouws
@XanderGouws 4 жыл бұрын
I recommend searching for "Paul's Online Notes". It's a great resource that covers everything from Algebra to Differential equations clearly (and for free). Best of luck!
@ИванПавлов-щ5т
@ИванПавлов-щ5т 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't d/dy(x^y) equals d/dy(y) which is 1, so the point is not convergent?
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
Иван Павлов No, because y is not a variable, y is an unknown.
@mightybatillo
@mightybatillo 4 жыл бұрын
But why do you have a chain chomp?
@deepanshupandey6208
@deepanshupandey6208 4 жыл бұрын
Bprp what is the factorial of π
@sansarsah2966
@sansarsah2966 4 жыл бұрын
Are you japanese or Russian?
@silver4905
@silver4905 4 жыл бұрын
Since when did he have a blue pen
@dzakytamir3048
@dzakytamir3048 4 жыл бұрын
I really missing the marathon series, Lets do it again plzz
@OtherTheDave
@OtherTheDave 4 жыл бұрын
5:48 Wait a minute... THAT’S NOT A MICROPHONE!!!
@Dat2Phit
@Dat2Phit 4 жыл бұрын
It took you 5 minutes to realise it xD
@OtherTheDave
@OtherTheDave 4 жыл бұрын
Royallxd Yep! It’s a good thing I’m not a detective or something 🤣
@StevenPhD4
@StevenPhD4 4 жыл бұрын
Why is it unlisted??
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How do you find unlisted videos?
@bhumikapatel245
@bhumikapatel245 4 жыл бұрын
Why you don't public this video
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How to watch unlisted videos?
@takureido3122
@takureido3122 4 жыл бұрын
@@pbj4184 you need the link
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
@@takureido3122 How did you guys get it?
@DeadJDona
@DeadJDona 4 жыл бұрын
What about complex numbers? Real part could be > 3
@petergregory7199
@petergregory7199 4 жыл бұрын
I like watching your videos because I can’t keep up. Does that make sense?
@LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue
@LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't it converge for x=0?
@satyamverma101
@satyamverma101 4 жыл бұрын
wait didnt you already post this video a few months ago?
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 жыл бұрын
It was unlisted and I just published it now
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen How to watch unlisted videos? I've asked others but I thought it would be best if I asked you 😁
@janjansen4711
@janjansen4711 4 жыл бұрын
What about -1 ?
@anshulagrawal3931
@anshulagrawal3931 4 жыл бұрын
this was already done by 3blue1brown
@宋孟樺-y8n
@宋孟樺-y8n 4 жыл бұрын
超可愛的麥克風
@sunitasharma2536
@sunitasharma2536 4 жыл бұрын
You are amazing 💙 sir😍😍😍👍👍❤️❤️
@mohamedemad3854
@mohamedemad3854 4 жыл бұрын
if sqrt a +b =11 sqrt b +a =7 what's a, b?
@yurenchu
@yurenchu Жыл бұрын
(a=4, b=9) is one solution. I don't know for certain if it's the only (real) solution; but I think it is. √a + b = 11 a + √b = 7 a=0 or b=0 doesn't lead to solutions. Furthermore, since √a and √b must be real, a>0 and b>0 . We can iteratively determine the lower bound and upper bound for each variable, based on the bounds of the other variable. b = 11 - √a ⇒ 0 < b < 11 a = 7 - √b ⇒ (7 - √11) < a < 7 b = 11 - √a ⇒ (11 - √7) < b < (11 - √(7 - √11)) a = 7 - √b ⇒ (7 - √(11 - √(7 - √11))) < a < (7 - √(11 - √7)) b = 11 - √a ⇒ (11 - √(7 - √(11 - √7))) < b < (11 - √(7 - √(11 - √(7 - √11)))) ... and so forth. The bounds on a and b become increasingly narrower. The value of a goes to (7 - √(11 - √(7 - √(11 - √(...))))) , which quickly approaches 4 . The value of b goes to (11 - √(7 - √(11 - √(7 - √(...))))) , which quickly approaches 9 .
@muradbashirov6435
@muradbashirov6435 4 жыл бұрын
Check the 3b1b's "Power tower puzzle" video
@eduphymath6581
@eduphymath6581 4 жыл бұрын
Hi sir i'm your student (sri lanka)
@shailesh_rajpurohit
@shailesh_rajpurohit 4 жыл бұрын
In which University does he teaches??
@vekjeetchamp7715
@vekjeetchamp7715 4 жыл бұрын
Why does x^x^x^x... = 2019 still results to 2019th root of 2019 even thought it is way beyond the domain?
@roberthrusecky9439
@roberthrusecky9439 4 жыл бұрын
When you substitute x^x^x^...=x^2019 you are assuming that there is some x value such that x^x^x^...=2019. However, because 2019 is outside the interval, there is no x value that satisfies the equation (it does not converge). Because you've assumed something that is false, you can derive falsehoods from that assumption such as x=2019^(1/2019)
@keepitplainsimple1466
@keepitplainsimple1466 4 жыл бұрын
Vekjeet Champ It still results because it does so..😂😂
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
How did you guys find this video?
@keepitplainsimple1466
@keepitplainsimple1466 4 жыл бұрын
@@pbj4184 We found this video Because this was unlisted and BPRP Had sent the link in the description of his last Video 😂😉😄
@yurenchu
@yurenchu Жыл бұрын
In your particular case, x = 2019^(1/2019) = 1.0037764828... sits well within the boundaries for x (namely, e^(-e) < x < e^(1/e) , or 0.066 < x < 1.445 ), so the exponentiation tower f(x) = x^x^x^x^... _does_ converge for that value of x ; but it just doesn't converge to y = 2019. Instead, it converges to another (smaller) number, namely to around y = 1.003790826 . Notice that x = 1.003790826^(1/1.003790826) is equal to x = 2019^(1/2019) ; they are both 1.0037764828... .
@VJ-dv4ub
@VJ-dv4ub 4 жыл бұрын
this was once a secret video those wondering of 2 month old comments
@stunzeed9552
@stunzeed9552 4 жыл бұрын
I have a challenge for you. Find the deriative of sin^x(x) (the sin(x) raised to the xth power).
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
sin(x)^x := exp(x·ln[sin(x)]). The derivative of x·ln[sin(x)] is ln[sin(x)] + x·cos(x)/sin(x), and the derivative of exp(x) is exp(x). Therefore, the derivative of exp(x·ln[sin(x)]) is exp(x·ln[sin(x)])·{ln[sin(x)] + x·cos(x)/sin(x)}.
@aryanbhargav9705
@aryanbhargav9705 4 жыл бұрын
Am I from future
@pbj4184
@pbj4184 4 жыл бұрын
I am from the past
@hnnagarathna7286
@hnnagarathna7286 4 жыл бұрын
Blackpenredpen 😎😎😎 cool
@AbdoulBmuxx
@AbdoulBmuxx 4 жыл бұрын
*You are really my true teacher,I am doing Mathmatics at in India,first year*
@AdityaChaudhary-oo7pr
@AdityaChaudhary-oo7pr 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing
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