Don't buy a CL1B

[@gffg387]

Now Im going to buy the Cl1b. Just because nobody tells me what to do.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@gffg387 😂😂😂

[@rnbyido]

🤣😂😭

[@RealHomeRecording]

After I bought my CL1b, I immediately got phone calls from Taylor Swift, Drake, Ariana Grande, Lady Gaga AND Bruno Mars wanting to record with me! The following day, iHeart Radio and TMZ texted me to schedule interviews about my gear acquisition. So, this video is nothing but LIES! 😀

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

😂😂😂

[@rusj5273]

LOL

[@jmclane27]

Prince visited me from the great beyond to do a session after I got my cl1b💜

[@RealHomeRecording]

@@jmclane27 sweeeeeet!

[@TheRealTMajor]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@FabvL]

Amen, love the 1176 vouch too But let’s not sleep on the Distressor 😍

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

I'm so glad to see comments about the Distressor! Totally wish I thought of it before making this video, another compressor I completely stand behind

[@siriusfun]

Absolutely! Talk about a swiss army knife!

[@shineliketeeko]

Completely agree man. CL1B is great on vocals for sure. But man the 1176 is so versatile and honestly has been my go to for vocals anyway. So saving up for one now. Great vid as always! 🙌🏼

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@shineliketeeko thank you very much 🙏

[@LashonEvans216]

I'll be honest my first legit chain for vocals included the Distressor and Warm Audio WA-2A. I promise you I've been searching for the problem since. Nothing was exactly wrong but I was looking for the character. Because I swapped so many pieces so fast I never really realized switching those two compressors for the Clean sounding CL1B took away from "THE Sound" i had and loved. Yesterday I got an LA-2A for a steal and I don't think I'll ever look back. I'll be holding on to my tubetech but I don't necessarily find it to be a MUST HAVE.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@LashonEvans216 yes, I’m glad you finally got that X-factor magic back into your studio! That extra saturation can be everything to a chain and mix! Try the CL1B on the main chain and parralel compressing the vocals with a different outboard compressor and see how that treats you as well!

[@jason.martin]

Bang on review! love these honest takes

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@jason.martin thank you 🙏

[@vincevega8127]

This compressor is for vocals and maybe bass! That is why people love it! They know why they will buy it! So don’t think you need to worry about it! Love the video

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@vincevega8127 every month when the bills come out the account, best believe I worry about it 😂 thank you brother!

[@iamcrisis187]

I went with an ELOP+… Run one side in to the other for recording vocals… 1 side set to Limiter (10:1), the other set to compression (3:1). It’s Dual mono for stereo sources or 2 separate mono sources. One of the best vocal compressors and it’s a lot more versatile than the CL1B. Very nice on the 2 Bus too.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@iamcrisis187 the ELOP is definitely slept on! I think being a stereo opto comp might frighten some people because you generally want some more detailed control over your mix bus compressor but I definitely think it’s a solid piece of gear and certainly cheaper than a CL1B!

[@iamcrisis187]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I use it for mostly recording vocals with the "Michael James trick" I mentioned above. When I use it on the 2 bus, which I've been doing a lot more lately, I mix thru it and use it with no compression before my actual Bus compressor. Them iron transformers and tubes just add something nice and allows you to push the high end a little more without getting harsh or coloring your mix.

[@neweratraxx2768]

you have a point, except you can always add character after you have a clean recording but you cant remove character if you have too much, and also the plugin version is amazing so amazing that i actually sold my cl1b and you can also use the plugin version as stereo ;)

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

That's a fair point, but keep in mind, you can't always emulate the magic of tube character with plugins - but it's definitely worth trying to see if it works for you!

[@Suburbstudio]

my opinion is, that I have tried tons of compressors for my vocal chain, and nothing could beat the cl1b. yes its mono, but vocals are as well (as long as you don't want them to be). I was lucky enough to get me one before pries went crazy....I never want to miss it again

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

It’s true, it’s really really good at transparent tube compression for vocals! If you got the cash for it and it’s a good investment - it’s a great compressor for sure and though I say to not buy one, I certainly wouldn’t recommend anyone sell it without thinking on it because it’s a really great investment and will continue to appreciate over time!

[@HeavenWilliams]

At 5:26 you mentioned you can get like an ART device or a piece of outboard gear with some good tubes in it and than running that thru a digital plugin compressor for some good results... what are some pieces of outboard gear with some good tubes would you recommend?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

ART Pro MPA with some different nicer tubes would be dope for really cheap. The stock tubes aren’t it but some telefunken tubes and you’re set 👌

[@papertiger9845]

Good video. I just got a used 1176LN to replace my BLA Bluey bc its just too hot, n Ive been eyeing the CL1B as everyone does, i think ill be good w my 1176/LA2a combo for damn near forever

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@papertiger9845 thank you! You absolutely will be all set with those two wonderful compressors (especially as far as vocals go!)

[@SamIntharaphithakOFFICIAL]

I have one and I agree that it's not fast enough to clamp down on those pesky peaks on vocals. I much prefer the 1176, specifically the UA reissue. Very fast and clean, just the right amount of saturation.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@SamIntharaphithakOFFICIAL 1176 is amazing bro, great character every time! The 1176 is definitely a very very fast compressor as well, great control for so many use cases! Thanks for tuning in 🙏

[@thevisualizer305]

VariMu compressors or Hazelrigg > CL1B. For the same amount of money I opted for a vintage varimu. When I did use a CL1B it was in conjunction with a VCA 1176 style (not color) compressor to catch the peaks first. CL1B’s are just to bring in clients who prefer it tbh.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@thevisualizer305 that’s is a super dope compressor to have bro! Love the VariMu especially, i agree! Thanks for tuning in 🙏

[@gregoryisom8333]

I have never really used the CL1b by itself; I get a beautiful vocal mix using the Summit Audio TLA-100A Compressor right under the CL1b 98% of the time. Those two units go so well together!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@gregoryisom8333 this is always the best case scenario with the Cl1b, serial compression is where it shines most - but that can also become very expensive! I’m personally a big fan of CL1B with 1176 LN in succession. A heavier handed, very confident and bold pop and hip hop vocal handler. That said, I could still replicate this chain to similar effect without the CL1B in it otherwise! Summit Audio is a dope brand though, congrats on the grab there 🔥

[@rusj5273]

Love Your Video. I'm starting to get into outboard gear as my experience grows. I could not afford that for a while but like you said a versatile compressor for different applications would be a better option. Guess I'll start with a 1176 then go from there. Thanks for your take on the CL1B. Those PMC's are Sick.

[@jmclane27]

I have a distressor. Which has a lot of flexibility for different applications. I’m not saying it’s better,as I haven’t done my own comparisons . But it is very capable of emulating different types of compression styles(including 1176) just offering another option that you may want to consider

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@jmclane27 I support getting a didtressor or an 1176, they both can do a lot of stuff but I would consider what genre you mix predominantly. For rock and pop id lean toward the 1176 for sure, for anything else they both could work! (Just my opinion and anything could work for anything). That said, I’m also a believer in mix bus processing and also light top down mixing too over having monophonic mixing pieces. But if you record a lot of mono instruments like vocals, bass DI, or something else that would shift the focus a bit. Hope this helps!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@rusj5273 oh yes and thank you very much!🙏 the PMCs were definitely worth the stress buying them

[@rusj5273]

@@jmclane27 Hell Yeah! I might just go with that. I know quite a few people saying the same thing. Thank for the comment.

[@rusj5273]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I would Love to get a 1176, but I'm leaning now more on the Distressor. I also start with some effects on the mix bus and a stereo hardware pieces is what would be next in line for the final process. Thanks for the eye opener on the stereo aspect.

[@ChromaV33]

A couple of things. Most people buy a CL1B as a dedicated vocal tracking comp. Any professional studio worth their salt likely has one for many different reasons. It's an expensive lesson to learn to buy high-end gear just because your favorite artists uses it or your friends like it. Yes, It's a mono compressor. That's not a limitation. An 1176 is a mono compressor.. It sounds like you didn't have realistic expectations of what to expect before buying a CL1b. If you wanted to run vocal stacks or stereo instruments through it, you probably should've considered an LCA 2 (if going for the TT sound). I have many hardware compressors including a CL1B and have never once used it for anything other than vocals. Of course, there are better compressors/ outboard that cover a wider range of applications. If you can afford a CL1B and know what to expect, go for it. I think the bottom line is that you should not buy expensive gear unless you have clear expectations of how you're going to utilize it and how that investment will benefit you in the long run.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@ChromaV33 I was lucky to have the income and work to be able to use my CL1B (along with the stack of other gear I’ve been fortunate to own) often - doesn’t mean just anyone should be trying to buy one as an investment. A lot of new producers aspire to buying one and this video is intended to help newer engineers set their sites on better pieces to invest in first before getting to the TubeTech stuff. At the end of the day, my CL1B still sits in my right side gear rack where it will probably stay as long as the phone keeps ringing. Using the CL1B for 5 years before buying it definitely helped me make the decision of buying it when I did. Moreover, just cause someone knows how to use something and what it does doesn’t always make it a good business move for everyone. That said, experience has also taught me other ways to get great quality from many other means and combinations. All of the above I felt was important to share. The world of tubes, quality and versatility is definitely more accessible than a CL1B and thats the bottom line. Thanks for taking the time to comment and I appreciate your perspective!

[@ChromaV33]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, but it seems a bit contradictory. On one hand, you emphasize that not everyone should be investing in high-end gear like the CL1B, yet you mention how it sits in your rack after years of use and after you had the income and experience to purchase it. I get the point you're trying to make-focusing on accessibility and versatility for newer engineers buying gear is a smart idea-but you didn’t exactly make it clear "who" the target audience was. I would understand more had you titled the video “New Producers-Don't buy a CL1B.” It sounds like you’ve made it clear though that your focus is helping new producers based on your own experience (which is admirable). I think for a lot of bedroom producers, it’s a right of passage (or expensive lesson to learn) that buying expensive gear won’t make your music better. If there’s anything that I’ve learned, it’s that experience and creativity are worth more than any piece of gear. Some of the most successful records that I’ve made to date were tracked through an Apollo twin interface using a unison mic pre emulation and a basic mic.. At the end of the day, gear isn’t a one-size-fits-all. What works for you may not work for everyone, and vice versa. Some people just have to find out on their own (no matter how much good advice is given). Anyways, thanks for the conversation!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@ChromaV33 I appreciate you taking the time to share your perspective. I think you’re right about experience playing a huge role in understanding what gear works best for you. The reason I made the video was specifically to help newer producers avoid getting caught up in the hype of buying expensive gear too early, before they’ve had the chance to learn the fundamentals and really understand how each piece of gear fits into their workflow. The goal wasn’t to say that the CL1B is bad or that it doesn't have its place - it's a great compressor for specific tasks, especially if you're working with vocals - but for a lot of new producers, investing in something like that can be a costly mistake if they haven't already figured out their core needs, workflow, and gear preferences. And yes, experience with a CL1B (or any other high-end gear) comes over time and often after years of working with other pieces of equipment. For those just starting out, it’s about focusing on tools that offer a broader range of use and flexibility, so they’re not pigeonholed into using a mono compressor that may only serve a narrow purpose in their setup. Ultimately, you're right-every engineer’s journey is different. But for most people starting out, the focus should be on building a solid foundation with versatile, cost-effective gear that can handle a variety of tasks. Gear doesn’t make the music, experience and creativity do. But I also agree that if you’ve put in the time and know what you're getting into, then investing in something like a CL1B is a personal choice that can absolutely pay off. Thanks again for the thoughtful discussion!

[@ChromaV33]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR All valid points. Thanks for sharing your experience-Cheers

[@spanishzoetv]

I agree with you 100 percent! I think people should watch gear shootout videos first and read what people have to say on forums before buying anything. Personally, I knew exactly what I was gonna get when I bought my cl1b and was not disappointed. When I was reading forums a lotta buyers were complaining that it didn't have enough color. Their expectation was a sound similar to an 1176 or LA2A. Ray mentioned what he mostly uses it for which can help people have an idea of what it is most useful for. If someone is only going to track vocals and has the budget I would say buy it. I never was a fan of buying cheap stuff first and than working your way up. I always get the best right away so I don't have to waste money on other things while fantasizing about what I want.

[@marvinbell7007]

Thanks for your honesty.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@marvinbell7007 🙏 thank you

[@sanjulianx]

Cl1b vs distressor?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@sanjulianx hmm, for vocals I’m more partial to the CL1B but I also don’t LOVE the distressor on pop vocals or rap vocals. On rock and even folk harmonies, the distressor is very special and the distressor works well on a great variety of instruments and sounds of course! That said, if you’re looking for just a vocal compressor, I’d actually probably say neither unless you had money to burn and don’t have other investments and upgrades to make (depending on the genre!) hope this helps!

[@sanjulianx]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR so maybe better a 1176 style compressor for just tracking i guess?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@ if you want a really good budget option for specifically vocals to demo, try the WA 2A warm compressor on for size! Otherwise I’d say the 1176 is just a better deal than the CL1B and has really great character!

[@PharaohLawLess1]

The Softube Blue Tone really does that CL1b thing. But I run my vocals through my Avalon vt737sp then through a 1176 then a Maag EQ2 for that top air

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@PharaohLawLess1 I love that vocal chain you’re running bro! In full support, the Maag is a great vocal chain addition

[@MakePopMusic]

It's definitely an amazing compressor but it definitely is more of a "leave it on a vocal chain" compressor and for $4200 that's hard to swallow. If you want that Opto compression with slower response, but want more character, just grab a LA2A, or even the Audioscape Opto Comp if you're on a budget. It does the leveling compression with a little more pizzazz. If you want a compressor that is a little more transparent but still has a super specific vibe, try the Hazelrigg VNE. It's a PWM compressor and it's insane. You can do 18db of gain reduction and it still sounds incredible. it's around the same price as the CL1b but I think it's more versatile, more unique, made with high quality components, and it's super reliable. Cl1b can be replaced by Fabfilter Pro C2 and a little bit of low mid harmonic saturation.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@MakePopMusic this is some fantastic advice and I definitely agree! I’ve been learning from you for years watching your Cubase tutorials before I even knew what a compressor was! I appreciate all the work and knowledge you’ve provided to me and the community and I attribute where I am in part to your work. I just realized after all these years of watching your videos I hadn’t subbed man and I don’t know how I missed that so I’m happy to finally officially be a part of your channel. Thanks for sharing your advice here 🙏

[@bradleypower4803]

I bought a few cheaper mono pieces of outboard but realized I’m fine with the plugins for mono but would love to have a Neve MBT for mixbus

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

I'm a big believer in mix bus pieces, especially without access to a console for that magic and the neve master bus would be such a dope piece to own for sure, great choice

[@mixwithjerry]

Love the video bro! Hope to see your channel continue growing. Just subbed!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@mixwithjerry thank you so much Jerry, just subbed you back - your channel is awesome, this means a lot coming from you 🙏

[@efrainquin6903]

My budget vocal chain is Shure KSM32, Focusrite ISA ONE PREAMP, Golden Age Comp2A, Klark Teknik EQP-1A Equalizer and Audient id22. I get pretty good results.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@efrainquin6903 ISA, a huge secret weapon for vocals when paired with Shure mics in general, even the 7B is dope with it too! Great list of gear here, happy you found a dope work flow 🙏

[@azzo89]

is there a difference from the golden age Comp2A to a plugin?

[@efrainquin6903]

@azzo89 I think it does give the recording a certain sound that you can't quite pull off in the box. I use it for tracking vocals and it makes it easier for me to mix the vocals later on once all the vocals are done but remember this is all subjective. At the end of the day, the average listener won't care what you used as long as the music is good. But for people like us, it's our passion.

[@hottrakz]

Contrary to your beliefs CL1B is one of the most used compressors in the industry today OK that counts for something. As you said it was transparent and you can also add a lot of depression without even it being noticed, it shines on vocals which is mostly why I use it . The compressor is highly sought after most people who can't afford it will have their reservations it's a tool no tool is the best solution for every job.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@hottrakz did you watch this video?

[@jeremyontheconsole]

I was about to storm In here and fanboy over the CL1B 😂 but I couldn’t agree more with what you’re saying. If you gotta have one definitely a distressor or 1176.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

😂yes! great note with the distressor - wish I had thought of it!

[@yungmagickidd]

Tbh the CL1B has been on my list for years, but I found it does sound good plugin wise. I've heard different examples of the hardware, but I'm still not a fan. Currently, the 1176 99% of the time sounds magical on my vocals. I track through a 500 series BLA 76. Nice video 🫡🫡🫡

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@yungmagickidd it’s so hard to get away from the 1176! Plug-in or hardware formats! Very musical saturation and great comp approach and thank you very much 🙏

[@indigo8194]

1176 and LA2A for me! I enjoy the CL1B but find myself in the same boat of just enjoying the 1176 or a 2A more.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Great combo, can't go wrong with two incredible compressors. Even the 2A clones are dope! Enjoy the dope outboard!

[@FTMuisikTV]

Hey Rayne, thanks for the valuable info. If you could pick only 1 piece of gear from your studio in each category (Microphone, preamp, speakers, speaker controller) to get pro results, what would you pick? Thanks

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

This is actually a great question and idea for a follow up video! I’ll put that together for early next week 🙏 keep an eye out!

[@bogackvrak2073]

I hope I can jump into the conversation. I just ordered a new studio setup. Apollo x8 gen 2 - u87 - neve 1073dpx - UA 1176 - UA LA2A - Focal Clear MG and alpha twins - ssl uf8 and uc1 as controllers. as far as my knowledge. that was the best list. I'd love to hear what you have in mind about your setup too

[@FTMuisikTV]

@@bogackvrak2073 Top setup you've got there man. Only thing is i'm looking for a tube mic instead of a u87. I've heard from a lot of people that it can sound 'honky' especially on Male vocals and would need more work in post.

[@bogackvrak2073]

@@FTMuisikTV yes , some people are not into u87 but i run a production company in turkey and for our culture and industrial needs u87 is best possible choice. In turkey every top producer and singer uses u87 and costumers prefer it over even 251 or c800. They are in love with the sound of it

[@bobbyarthur-yf3yf]

@@bogackvrak2073all great pieces on this list !! I’d say go with all 3 ssl controllers and an extra monitor for the 360 software … super nice flow !!

[@gtk_NO]

Never tried a CL1B. But I picked up a Gainlab Governor. For stereo and also being able to go into more aggressive territory. I dont know how they compare. I like a fresh take. Also the metering look sick.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@gtk_NO definitely curious to hear what the Gainlab stuff can do! Haven’t gotten into it myself yet 🙏

[@awedee.0]

the magic is the chain that includes the cl1b

[@berdeauxlaveau6515]

so lets say i dont want to get a cl1b what is another great compressor for tracking vocals to combine w a bae 1073?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

I would definitely recommend for budget options the WA2A or the Audioscape Opto Comp (2A clone), for more expensive but potentially better options, I'm a fan of the 1176 LN from UA or pretty much anything Manley would be a swiss army knife as well that would also be a great multipurpose compressor. That said, even the ART Solo VLA Opto comp with a tube upgrade would sound really great and be a crazy good deal. I would probably go with Telefunken tubes in it considering you're using a BAE 1073 but some people love that classic heavier quality of the Mullard tubes. That said, it is essential to demo any of the above to be sure about your purchase and this is just a guideline based on my personal experience! hope this helps 🙏

[@berdeauxlaveau6515]

@ yea it helps. I was under the impression that the 1176 was too quick of an attack time for tracking. Even tho I have seen it in vocal chains at a studio near me.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

​@@berdeauxlaveau6515 its definitely a grabbier compressor but the attack can definitely be slowed down to 800 microseconds while the CL1B can only go to 300 microseconds. The CL1B can also be significantly faster than the 1176 at top attack speeds - I'd definitely recommend demoing it to feel out how it changes audio and see if it feels right for you!

[@jacobknowsitall2098]

Can you link the newmu from manly compressor u were talking about?

[@jacobknowsitall2098]

And maybe do a comparison of them 2 together?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@jacobknowsitall2098 www.manley.com/pro/mnumu

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

​@@jacobknowsitall2098 I will definitely consider a review specifically comparing the two!

[@jacobknowsitall2098]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR thank you! Sounds good.

[@Mixedbyquadeyg]

My 1176 has a lil static when I turn up the input I was thinking about selling it but I love it for mixing vocals and making it cut thru the mix but I Love my cl1b and La2a I’m not never getting rid of those

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Mixedbyquadeyg yeah as much as I wouldn’t recommend it as an early investment for most, it’s great to have when you got other cool stuff to work along side it!

[@MiguelNoyola1]

Something you should look into is if your spending 4k on a compressor get the conversion to go with it.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@MiguelNoyola1 I agree, I should be talk about converter quality in almost every video I make!

[@yaruuzumaki]

Is uad Arrow good conversion

[@MiguelNoyola1]

@@yaruuzumaki Pt would be the standard but aim also for Apogee and Burl. Price points go up but how it converts to the Daw is important.

[@garyshirinian]

Thx for sharing. What do you suggest as a 500 series mic preamp for the price point IYHO. I do habit NEVE 511 and JDK compressor. Thx.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

AMS 1073 LB is the only one I've used and liked, but theres a lot more out there to try!

[@garyshirinian]

@RAYNETHESAVIOUR thx for replying. Some people suggest Cranborne preamp. Do you have any experience with them. Also, I'm looking in to Golden age premier 73. Thx again

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@ cranborn stuff is pretty good but maybe consider the Shadow Hills Mono gamma, considering that you might be using this preamp for everything - this would be the only one that is as versatile as the best of them while also being able to capture some tone and punch from the 1073 and 512 respectively! The golden age 73 is good on electric guitar and pretty good on acoustic, but I’m not a fan of it for vocals. Hope this helps

[@MajikMuzq]

Is the plug-in close enough to skip the hardware?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@MajikMuzq naw it’s very hard to get analog tube saturation in the box but the compression part you can get with plugins and combine with cheaper tube circuits or just get a cheaper tube compressor

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@MajikMuzq and by very hard, in my opinion it’s not possible but also not exactly necessary

[@marksmusicplace3627]

tube tech cl1b goes for about 4200 dollars. think about that. the plug in or even a clone unit may be a cheaper route to go. plus CLA uses the blue stripe 1176 for his vocal compressor chain. Everyone has favorite gear they like to use. I have zero issues with my avalon vt737 preamp. for my vocals. results are always amazing.

[@Allious131]

So glad to see you on here mark can't wait for your next video aswell

[@marksmusicplace3627]

@@Allious131 LOL. I troll a lot of videos LOL. from different youtubers

[@ignacedhont9816]

Sold my 737. Pre is ok, eq is good, compressor of that thing is horrible.

[@brucehathcockmusic]

That’s my go to. I live my Avalon.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

It’s all about results - if it sounds good for you, that’s all that matters!

[@JavierSanchez-oj3ds]

Mmm I have a CL1B and bunch of analog gear but honestly for some reason is not my cup of tea , I prefer my Fearn VT7 or Retro 176, Stalevel , In vocals Much better in my taste

[@willmcelroy6376]

Does your new CL1B sound the exact same as the old one you used in studio? I’m concerned if their tech has changed in newer editions.

[@willmcelroy6376]

your complaints seem a little unfair. It’s almost like you complaining because the Cl1b can’t be ALL you want it to be, or all you were told it was. When NO hardware piece is that to everyone. I know people who HATE the 1073 sound. I’ve heard people complain about the Sony C800g. All I’ve ever heard about the CL1B is: it shines on vocals and bass, so I wouldn’t even bother to use it for anything else. Your suggestions are “obvious”, so I won’t comment on them. All I know is, to this day, the best vocals I’ve ever heard in my life were don’t thru a CL1b. And the guy I know who’s using it, has made a name for himself in Nashville. It just brings his voice to life. And Big name artists send completed pro tools projects done in million dollar studios to him, where he adds the most beautiful sounding background vocals you’ve ever heard, right there in his living room. they send it to him because he’s able to squeeze some kind of magic out of the combination of his voice, telefunken mic, 1073, and CL1B, that they just can’t duplicate. He’s mastered, not just the CL1b, but how it’s sound interacts with other sounds sources. That’s what a lot of people don’t get. Sure, the CL1b is easy to use, but have you TRULY mastered its USE by mastering its “sound”? Because those are two different things. Like how anybody can master cooking a Steak, but have you mastered how the flavors of the steak, interact with specific spices, and very specific side dishes? Because there is where a steak truly shines. A well cooked steak will taste good with anything. But there are certain “flavors”/spices, and just a few side items, that used in combination, will cause the steak to truly shine beyond its natural limits.. You don’t even have to be a great cook, but if you can master that signal chains. MAGIC! Cheers.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

This was not about if the comp is good or not man, it obviously is. This video it’s about the bigger picture of gear investment and experience that should factor in to people’s business decisions.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Oh and it sounds the same as the three others I’ve used with stock tubes.

[@konumusic]

Lol I’ve only known my peers to use it for vocals. I’ve only used it for vocals. Yes it’s expensive but everyone knows this going in. Do buy it if you have the money and appreciate the subtle sexy 🙏🏽🤙🏽

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@konumusic definitely an “if you have the money” situation, but even if you have the money - there’s a big world of quality audio pieces out there! Experience generally trumps all! Explore options before committing to CL1B too soon and considering where your businesses need are and why first

[@siriusfun]

Meh. The RETRO 176 brings a LOT more and on multiple sources. No brainer.

[@konumusic]

@ is nobody understanding VOCAL compressor? lol

[@Allious131]

Agreed on everything besides the end the plugin version this was cap and yes you can get the same result with the plugin

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Allious131 I guess it’s time to make a video to prove the difference between plug-in and analog, coming soon! (But I can also link you to a couple videos that demonstrate this clearly that are already out on KZbin)

[@russchell6490]

Idk man from what I can tell you do understand the role of the CL1B but are choosing put it in categories where it doesn't shine, specifically bus compression. Imo it's a bit disingenuous to conflate something being a "luxury" when it's actually a purpose built piece of gear. I guess my view is that specialized pieces should be celebrated in a world where theres so much gear that can "do everything"

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@russchell6490 that’s totally fair, but being disingenuous would mean I’m making claims I can’t back up. If you want tube saturation/magic and transparent compression, I can give you that without a CL1B and in a very similar fashion, or perhaps a better fashion? All about experience and knowing what to invest in and then where to put it all. Just cause everyone knows where a compressor falters doesn’t mean we shouldn’t all question its price and place in our business plans and professional development - as we would any other piece of gear. A VT fern is more expensive than a CL1B but I’d probably buy that first before a CL1B because of what it can do with it. That’s just one example too man, I was definitely being as genuine and candid about this matter as possible but I do understand it’s not necessarily going to land for everyone. I do appreciate you taking the time to come through and comment

[@russchell6490]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Being disingenuous means "pretending to know less about something than you really do" which is how it came off trying to put the CL1B in a bus comp category and complaining that the compressor isn't stereo. Then going on to talk about how versatile the 1176 is (which I fully agree with) but now you're comparing a tube opto compressor (not solid state, it has an all tube audio path) to a FET compressor with attack times that will smoke any opto. Obviously those 2 things will sound immensely different / the 1176 has a ton of color because that is the nature of a FET style comp. This is not me saying you shouldn't push gear into new territories or really asses how it fits into your workflow, but the argument you're making could easily be applied to any piece of outboard gear (E.G. The 1176 isn't worth it because it will color pretty much every signal you put through it and that might not be good.) I own multiple, opto, fet and vari mu style compressors, I have no allegiance any one of them in particular, some are versatile, some aren't but at the end of the day to argue something isn't worth it because it doesn't add enough audible "tube magic" or doesn't do everything is a bit ridiculous. The real reason none of this stuff is actually worth it is because you can achieve pretty much identical results ITB, outboard is fun and it makes mixing easier, thats really the only reason to buy hardware.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@russchell6490 I get that you're passionate about gear, but I think you might be reading a bit too much into it. The point I was making with the CL1B was never about “luxury” vs. “purpose-built.” It’s more about knowing when a piece of gear really makes sense in your workflow - and where it might not be worth the investment. Comparing the CL1B to an 1176 wasn’t about them being the same thing; it was about showing that you can get similar results with different tools that make more sense in certain situations. I didn’t say the CL1B isn’t useful or that tube saturation and compression aren’t valuable - I’m just questioning whether it’s worth the price when you can achieve the same (or better) results with something else. Just because something’s specialized doesn’t mean it’s always the right fit for everyone. As for your comment about me being 'disingenuous,' I think you might’ve misinterpreted my tone. I wasn’t 'pretending' to know less, I was just offering a genuine take on how gear like this fits into the bigger picture. There’s no harm in questioning whether any piece of gear is worth it, no matter how 'purpose-built' it is. Gear is subjective, and just because something has a high price tag doesn’t mean it’s automatically worth it. Anyway, I appreciate the input, but I think we’re on different pages here. Hopefully that clears things up, but I’ll leave it at that.

[@bendigiave]

I picked up an old aphex expressor that was modded by Jim Williams, that thing is crazy transparent. I might be cool on the Cl1b after using it awhile.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@bendigiave xpressor is a great piece! I haven’t ever recorded vocals into it but it sounded good in drums for sure, I’m sure the mod is dope!!

[@TheRealNewBlackMusic]

The DBX Blue or the dbx purple is the way to go you will get everything that you want and need with those compressors Plus they are two channel units but it seems like no one on KZbin ever talks about them

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@TheRealNewBlackMusic the DBX comps were a Dr. Dre Staple, definitely under rated units! Very affordable as well! I typically prefer them on drums and in parallel but when I’m in my hip hop bag, they can do a lot more than that!

[@RainAstonIV]

Funny enough, if we’re to hold the Cl1b to the fire then we kinda have to do the same to the La2a lol I love them both btw.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@RainAstonIV dude that actually sounds true 😂 might have to drop some tough love on the ol’ 2A

[@officialdiomer]

True, but there aren’t any notable CL1B clones that get high praise yet. I’ve heard most companies haven’t made one yet because it’s technically still in production by TubeTech. But I agree with the essence of what you’re saying lol. I have an LA2A clone by Audioscape and I love it.

[@RainAstonIV]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOURalso when you mention the Cl1b and it’s character and vibe... you have to bring up the tubes, because you can switch them for different characters.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@RainAstonIV I would add that too but it’s expensive to buy Telefunken tubes or Mullard tubes (adding to the point of the CL1B being expensive) and I also would instead make a separate video on wether or not stock tubes are good (and in which pieces of gear), when to change tubes out in gear, what to look for in expired tubes, and which ones actually affect the sound cause the stock tubes don’t really sound too different from the Telefunken tubes we tested on my friends CL1B, I’ll put a video on that together hopefully for later next week

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@officialdiomer Audioscape and Warm audio both make some dope clones of the LA2A I sold me Audioscape clone but regretted it for sure 😪

[@wyrlismike]

Vocals is all I use my hardware on, and guess what it's the best for that. Can't get that same sound with anything else and I've got lots of hardware

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@wyrlismike There’s no question that the CL1B is a great compressor - especially if you already have loads of hardware like yourself! Contextually dependent recommendation to not buy one

[@wyrlismike]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR yeah well i do agree with you, and an 1176 would be better for most people. id take an 1176 first but cl1b just does that modern pop thing the best. first time i tried hardware on vocal i knew that sound

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@wyrlismike you know what, I have to agree with you, it does have a pop thing it does that I do really like. I do really like the compressor but my engineer brain and business brain were at odds when I bought it

[@Rhuggins]

I find the 1b is great for transparent leveling. it tends to push forward the upper midrange in a nice way as well. It is definitely overpriced for what it is though. For transparent vocal leveling, an atomic squeezebox , GML compressor, or even perhaps a Hazelrigg VNE would probably provide more invisible compression. If it hadnt been stupidly over inflated in price though - it would be a great 2000 dollar vocal comp

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Rhuggins completely agree, the GML paired with even an 1176 plug-in in parallel is a killer combo! 2000-2500 bucks is a much better price point for the CL1B

[@AironExTv]

First time I heard the CL1B was in 2000 iirc at a studio a friend of mine was engineering at. Pretty sweet, but I wouldn't ever buy one, and it's 4000 Euros here atm. I mostly mix dialogue and picked up the plugin Kiive Audio Tube KC1. It's close in many aspects, but way more versatile. Have to concur on the 1176. My mojo options are so incredible these days, I'm not sure I'd pick up a CL1B over a decent 1176 clone for recording these days. Plus, the inbox stuff is often just too good to ignore now. As great as analog boxes can be, you can go a very long way with inbox stuff now for the mojo. The only reasons I ever used compression for recording vocals was fitting the performance on to the damn tape(soul ladies in particular), avoiding hiss and of course tone. Only tone is left now, and I don't need a lot of gear to get that any longer. Luxury. Yeah.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@AironExTv Kive has been on a roll with some of their plugins for real, I have to give that one a try for sure! Plug-in dev has really come a long way regardless and with some small and important outboard, anything is possible 🙏

[@FRANKRICECOLD209]

I Did The Same Thing By Buying a UA 6176 not Wreath It I Got a Warm Audio WA 8000 AND THE WA 73 And The WA 1B and love The Sound But That Is Just Me The UA 6176 Is Too Noisy To Me

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@FRANKRICECOLD209 noise is definitely a common complaint with the 610 pre and sometimes the 1176 too, even in this comment section, but glad you found something that works for you with the Warm audio stuff! 🙏

[@hywearsprada]

not gonna lie, i tried a real CL1B on some vocals and compared it to some vocals i ran through a dbx 560 and i preferred the sound on the 560

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@hywearsprada that’s likely because the dbx has a sound that’s much more obvious and it’s a nice character! Thanks for tuning in 🙏

[@JRClark]

great video bro.......I have both 1176ln and tube tech and I agree....the tube tech is not worth the price tag it does not give me the wow factor.....I used it on my recent album and for some reason I like the 1176ln better......my vocal Chai is a ref c - bae 1073 - tube tech prism sound lyra......I am in the process on auditioning the lynx hilo 2 as of now

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@JRClark thank you bro! And wow what a vocal chain you got there, love it! If you are open to experimenting, try throwing the 1176 after the CL1B and adjust the levels and compression across both units accordingly, the Hilo is really great and I’m doing a full review on it in two weeks

[@JRClark]

@ I have tried before and after the tube tech…but the wow factor wasn’t there…the tube tech is just a studio conversation piece really and a plus to anyone setup….but I tell a lot of independent artist to focus on spending money on a good mic, good pre amp, and good converters…having a compressor is the 5% lol

[@MultiKulti]

"Manley Nu mo" is a Vari Mu compressor. Not an Opto. Total different tier

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

My mistake, meant to say its also a tube amp solid state circuit, similar to the CL1B sonically and technically, but indeed does respond different to transients/is NOT an OPTO comp, hopefully everyone sees this before they quote me on it lol, thanks for the comment

[@johngotti9268]

Lil Uzi Engineer Record Him On A Apollo Twin and Neumann 103 In A Hotel Outboard Gear Really Isn’t Needed Update : It Was Also Said He Prefers It Over The U87

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@johngotti9268 the dude who mixed lil Uzi’s most streamed song used analog gear to do it, and that doesn’t include the analog used in the mastering stage. Analog can be a great too in a hybrid workflow but investing the right pieces when you do is what makes the biggest difference! Thanks for watching 🙏

[@nicefish10]

Nobody cares about rappers anymore

[@johngotti9268]

@@nicefish10 That’s An Opinion Not A Fact Not Everyone Dislike Hip Hop

[@hockeytalk6084]

I think some people are missing the point. It’s just too damn expensive to be cost-effective in most cases. That’s really it. For the price of one of these, you could do some stupid damage elsewhere in the analog realm. And for two, you could buy a damn car lol. Unless you are opening up a commercial studio and expect to use it as a marketing point, it is probably not the wisest way to spend $5000 in your studio. Nobody is saying it isn’t a flagship industry vocal compressor. But just for an example for a fraction of the price you could get a Distressor and spend the rest of that money on nice mic pres, microphones, sound treatment, other pieces of gear, anything. When you consider that it really doesn’t work THAT well on anything other than vocals without heavy massaging/tweaking (I’ve used one), there are way more cost-effective solutions, and even if you just want a dedicated vocal compressor, there are in my opinion, better options for a fraction of the price. If money was no object I’d get one, but it’s kind of just in that price tier where it’s too expensive to justify not either using a less expensive piece of outboard gear or a plug-in emulation. You’re at the point there were simply not a $4000 difference. It never is, but if you’re into outboard you know what I’m talking about. Sometimes it’s just worth it anyway. And 99% of the time we know the difference in price is not totally justified but we get it anyway because we love analog gear. However, for MOST people, this would not be a very cost effective purchase. Straight up. Again, if I could pull one out of a hat, it’s on my shortlist 😂

[@hockeytalk6084]

FYI, we both know in 5-10 years I’ll have eventually forked it over for one 😂

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Well said and I totally agree 🙏

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

I mean it’s not a bad compressor by any means, but it’s still just an 1176 clone with a slightly different flavor and a couple of extra features (fixed attack release kinda stuff). My favorite compressor for vocals is a distressor or an 1176 into an la2a. Still i don’t get the hype around the tube tech stuff.

[@ChromaV33]

A CL1B is NOT an 1176 clone..

[@RainAstonIV]

It’ll be more of an la2a clone rather than 1176 if anything.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@CreativeMindsAudio the CL1B was indeed inspired by the LA 2A and crafted by a group of engineers, some of which came from the telefunken dev team. The goal was to bring tube texture and opto speed/comp curve to the classic 2A smoothness. It was intended to be a versatile piece of gear but ended up becoming a vocal staple for a number of reasons but since then - the price has gone up a tad bit. It started at around 2500 USD in the 90s

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

Oh interesting I stand corrected then. I always felt it had a vibe of a mix of both of them. But I guess it’s more of an LA2A with attack release parameters then. Doesn’t seem particularly useful imo for the hype. I do see why back in the day people would flock to it though. For some reason I thought it was more of an 1176 with la2a style options. Thanks for the input. I’ve never properly used the hardware. Only heard it being used by other people and used the plug-in a couple of times and not liking it that much 😂.

[@RainAstonIV]

@@CreativeMindsAudio you may be thinking of the La3a. That’s a mix of a 2a and 1176.

[@Furybeatsgme]

People could get the wa 1b it'll do that same 'set it and forget it" type approach. I have the tubesessor it's a little more colored imo than the cl1b if I could though id go back and replace it with the wa1b or a good 1176 variant.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Furybeatsgme I would honestly get a Distressor over the the CL1B clones personally, in that price range it’s a good option. Though I’m not a fan of the WA1B, I do believe they did a stellar job on their WA-2A clone!

[@corianjackson]

not sure how the cl1b is 'set it and forget' it in any way shape or form.

[@Furybeatsgme]

@@corianjackson what I mean by that is it's hard to mess it up, if u use modest settings you pretty much won't hear the difference in -3 or -7db of gain reduction, so unless someone is belting or very dynamic you can set it and not really worry about it sounding over compressed

[@aeiplanner]

you hurt my feelings. my feelings are devastated.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@aeiplanner I conduct support groups on Thursdays at 4:30

[@Studio-Xhoni]

I will buy cl1b no matter what i want that punchy vocal without color i every time mess on my vocals with that mo vocals to good when i put compressor on with plugin is like shit transient los from words and colors the sound (and if you do fast atack and release you dead distortion is active) i want that transparent on vocals

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Definitely do what you feel is best! At least try one before you buy it though. If you try it and you’re certain it’s the best investment based on your business and situation and at this time - go for it!

[@kingech_B15]

The LA2A is the world’s best compressor ever.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@kingech_B15 perhaps one of the worlds best vocal and bass compressors ever indeed!

[@waynepayne864]

0:47 get my what in knot

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@waynepayne864 I’m pretty sure I said “Before you get your blinkers in a rot, babies in a caught, grannies at the spot, shorty’s on the block, missy finna drop” … sussed it out, might be wrong tho

[@luvitluvitbaby]

I have the Acustica Titanium 1b

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Love acustica audio plugins 💯

[@BlackGritsDoesIt]

I am selling mine soon.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@BlackGritsDoesIt maybe hold onto it a while, I see a pretty solid price increase for it in the near future

[@siriusfun]

RETRO 176 all day long.

[@Jafithagreat]

My guy has one of those I love them too but I own a cl1b

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Retro instruments is a winner for sure 🔥

[@byus6928]

Naw. Love my Cl1B

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Love is always welcome on my channel bro 😌

[@1loveMusic2003]

Distressor all the way!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

💯!

[@LARGERTHANLIFE21]

I like 6176 and voxbox much better.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@LARGERTHANLIFE21 both do also have preamps in them, but Voxbox is definitely one of the greatest vocal channels ever made in my opinion

[@ShadikTV]

Some people don’t have there ear.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

I’m not following, elaborate?

[@JesusRodeADino]

Don't buy the CL-1B. I have one and I'm not going to sell it, but don't buy one yourself. Hmmmm...

[@apeclegendary6005]

1176 is way better and more transparent.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@apeclegendary6005 I wouldn’t say it’s more transparent! But for certain is better value 🙏 thanks for tuning in’

[@MrKalimag]

not overrated, but over priced!!!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@MrKalimag agreed!

[@rothzn]

It’s all hype.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

There is definitely a lot of hype in the audio space

[@JuanNungaray]

🤦🏻‍♂🤣🤣🤣

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

😂😂😂