You’re Wasting Money… Buy this FIRST!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Don’t forget to treat your room too gang! Room treatment is a given but for those who don’t know, even a little goes a long way! 🙏

[@Prince.Mykal.Vision]

This.

[@MadelnMachines]

How little? What's a good starting point?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@MadelnMachines it’s really hard to say without seeing your space. I’d say that if you don’t have good startup capital, put 50% of what do you have into your room treatment. Otherwise, utilize thick blankets, mattresses, pillows, and anything else you can find and use at home to start DIY treating your space! Treat your space as best you can until what’s coming out of your speakers sounds more focused and until the reverb and reflection points in your space are almost muted. Then focus on the corners of your room if you find the low end to be a bit muddy still. The answer to your question is nuanced for sure but hope this is helps!

[@TeezoTarantino]

Your Channel is really underrated 🔥

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@TeezoTarantino thank you bro I appreciate this 🙏

[@Khalidberrytv]

Good info. People need to watch mor of your videos

[@HeavenWilliams]

Hey Rayne i think a video about acoustic treatment is due, because alot of ppl dealing with little to no acoustic treatment in there home studios, I think great to decent monitors in an untreated room is just as counterproductive.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

I totally take treatment for granted now because of how second nature it is to me when moving spaces and switching monitors or desks! I will definitely think on how to give some good value there, thank you for chiming in on this! 🙏

[@danielrussell6477]

Don’t spend money on better speakers if your room isn’t treated.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Definitely be sure to treat your room as a baseline for any audio gear investments! I thought this was a given but I pinned a comment about this at the top of the comment section for those who don’t know! Thanks 🙏

[@kniferideaudio]

Took me 20 years to figure this out. I struggled with mid grade speakers for ever before finally getting something actually good and it changed everything. I wasted a ton of time and money chasing ghosts. Buy good speakers, learn how to treat a room. That's all you need.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@kniferideaudio couldn’t have said it better myself 🙏 happy you were able to figure everything out bro!

[@ronaldsamuels8417]

You’re absolutely correct my friend.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

I’m not always right, but I try to be! Thank you 🙏

[@lacollastudio2166]

I’ve had the SAME experience. When I moved to my atcs I started using a lot less outboard, and very selected and very specific. I could get away with whatever plugin basically, now that I can hear

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@lacollastudio2166 I’m really glad to hear your monitor upgrade is providing you with the detail you need to make confidence decisions! Plug-ins are more powerful than they seem until we can hear what they do!

[@djjohnnybravo]

Most important is room acoustic and then monitors. Period. If Your acoustics sucks your monitors won't help. If your acoustic is great, you can mix on cheapest PMC and get great results.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

Definitely be sure to treat your room as a baseline for any audio gear investments! I thought this was a given but I pinned a comment about this at the top of the comment section for those who don’t know! The cheapest new PMC speaker is still a fanatic speaker as is not necessarily cheap either, but I agree grabbing a smaller PMC monitor will serve any serious engineers very well. Thats why I got my small PMC 6-2s! Thanks for tuning in 🙏

[@Iaintthesharpesttoolintheshed]

Honestly when I saw the preview I was 100% sure you would talk about acoustic treatment😮 THE ROOM🗣️🔊

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Iaintthesharpesttoolintheshed I completely overlooked it and something second nature to me now 😂 but I pinned a comment just to cover all bases! 🙏

[@CliffMoir]

Soooo true, I started with room acoustics, then onto monitoring., and finally broke down and brought a vocal booth last year. Once you get those things squared away, it’s amazing how much faster you get things done, although I’m still learning, so still not fast enough.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@CliffMoir that’s incredible bro it sounds like your on a great path and have a wonderful space to craft your sound! 🙏

[@CliffMoir]

@ Appreciate that, thanks!

[@anythingsimple1125]

I’d also add that imo the most important thing to invest in is yourself. If that means buying courses or studying or just trail and error, it will be worth it. The gear doesn’t matter as much if you or the source can’t make use of it. An example would be me ig, I heard over and over again that hardware synths were better than software and while I had used hardware before, I wasn’t satisfied so I decided to get a new hardware synth just to realise that it was definitely fun but my skill level wasn’t there and I just got better results with software. And I as a person had different needs than others. Because while people were saying software was too much and distracting, I found the opposite to be true for me. Long story short invest time and potentially money into yourself and your skills and experiences before making any big purchases In my experience

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@anythingsimple1125 I totally agree with this comment and I appreciate you sharing your story here as well, it’s a great one that teaches the important of learning and patience in this insane process of achieving something special in audio 🙏 thanks for taking the time to share this

[@spencerdadd9924]

Thank you so much for making such an informative video that breaks down this information for me. As a young, up-and-coming artist, it really helps me out!🙏

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@spencerdadd9924 🙏🙏🙏

[@riktascale4]

Excellent advice but with the same emphasis on acoustic room treatment!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@riktascale4 totally agree! Thank you 🙏

[@LipazMusic]

Almost agree. A pro studio is built around the speaker (its physics, precisely); so buy the speaker that you like in test listening anywhere, and double its price to have the real total starting budget incl. room treatment. Yes, speaker + room treatment. DSP room correction is the final ~20 % touch.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@LipazMusic I agree! I realized should’ve covered room treatment after I posted this video but speakers + room + playback measurements are huge! Thanks for tuning in! 🙏

[@rusj5273]

it's funny you mentioned that because I was mixing on some Yamaha HS80m's and while mixing a harsh sounding vocal and come to the conclusion that is was the sound of the Tweeter that I was fighting, not the vocal itself. I love my Yamaha HS80m's monitors. I got lucky and got some free Event 2020 BAS. Hearing the difference and realized the cheaper but still great HS80m's was the reason my vocals didn't sound good with them. The distortion on the HSm's was too aggressive for the job. But to each their own, still gonna set them up when I have more room for them.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@rusj5273 honestly, it’s so hard to part with monitors that you know so well and have served you in many ways. I had a similar experience with Focal Alphas and even still, I find myself wanting to find room for the pair because they still did a lot of good for me when I had them. Thanks for sharing your experience with us bro! 🙏

[@rusj5273]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR For Sure I Love Them and will continue to use them. Space is always the Biggest Problem we as artist and engineers have to work with and/or figure out how to deal with.

[@kagaro99]

Great content so far. Just FYI, you have your 6-2s flipped. They are very clear in the user manual that the ports go on the inside and the woofers on the outside.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@kagaro99 thank you bro! And the speakers are oriented correctly, I already responded to a bunch of comments on this in other videos as well. I encourage everyone to contact PMC for more details on correct monitor orientation if you own PMC 6-2s or 8-2s if you own either for more details based on your room, listening position and taste! Best of luck 🙏

[@djtuff514]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Guess you have a good relationship with them they barely respond lol, Keep up the good work,

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@djtuff514 thank you very much 🙏

[@BarcodezProduction]

Where can I hear your mixes?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@BarcodezProduction check out my instagram page, linked in the description!

[@mosermichael4404]

hmm. I agree with you in a way.. it makes your work much easier.. but more important than a super good monitor is the room acoustics!😉 if that sucks, even a $10,000 monitor can't sound good.. a monitor only sounds as good as your room acoustics!😎👊😉

[@Circharles]

True

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@mosermichael4404 I agree 100%. Can’t be professional having one without the other.

[@MatsBP]

Here´s my take on this topic/where I´m at with it. I fell into all the pitfalls with plugins and bad mixes constantly. Long story short, now I only use stock and a few free plugins for mixing and mastering, and I only use 150 dollar open back headphones for mixing and mastering. And here´s my point, I don´t do surgical EQing, (only hipass)! And I don´t reference my songs on the phone or in the car or any speakers because my channel strip that I came up with all on my own experimenting through years of trial and error ensures that I don´t fuck up anymore. It´s such a joy every time I play my music on different speakers because it sounds amazing! All in the box, just a 2012 macbook pro and my headphones, that´s it! (I don´t even have speakers) Matz Bearpath on Spotify, YT etc. So you know I´m not bullshitting. And, with only headphones, you don´t even need room treatment... Cheers!

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@MatsBP I actually have a video coming out about headphones and wether or not I think they can be used for all steps of the process! Without giving away the content of the video and long story short, I think you’re definitely on the right path and respect that journey fully 🙏

[@MatsBP]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thank you, cool, FYI I use Sennheiser HD599, I have the 650 too but the low end extension on the 599 is better suited for me. Hipassing the low lows correctly is key, and I use expansion, saturation and harmonic distortion instead of compressing, when I do compress it´s super light, less is more. Same with limiting, never over half of DB, gotta be extra careful with that when it´s all digital.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@ Senheiser has some great headphone options for sure! I’m glad you found a great workflow on them. Sounds like you have spent a lot of time learning them and how to get your desired sound 🙏

[@MatsBP]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Indeed, I would not wanna use any other pair. Yes I can hear clearer on the 650 in terms of fidelity, but it´s minute, but the bass response weighs it up for me. Appreciate the talk! See you around (:

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@ my pleasure bro, thanks for tuning in! 🙏

[@garyshirinian]

Very true

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

💯💯💯

[@Mixedbyquadeyg]

Since I got my focal twins st6 all my music sounds more quality you can’t mix what you can’t hear 👂

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Mixedbyquadeyg congrats on the dope upgrade bro, focals are very creative speakers! Enjoy! 🙏

[@triplebeam23]

Im happy with my kali audio 8s and kali sub.. could i upgrade? Yes .. but im happy with what im able to hear

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@triplebeam23 hell yeah bro, kali makes good products and especially in the price range of products they are in! Keep rockin 💯🙏

[@Circharles]

Room treatment no.1, then monitoring. Im currently using neumann kh120 mkii. My mixes always translate well but because of their size im always contemplating an upgrade. Maybe pmc 6 or even atc 25a mkii. Thoughts?…

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Circharles I would always side with PMC’s over ATC personally - especially if you can hook them up via AES. I had the 120s for a while and something to consider is adding a kh 750 sub to them. Otherwise, I’d say PMC for the win! BUT also depends on your line of work. Best thing to do is demo them and luckily there’s a few ways to demo PMCs and ATCs! Hope this helps 🙏

[@Circharles]

@ i appreciate the tips. Im thinking pmc pretty soon

[@lj9732]

Hmm no mention of room acoustics that's no 1

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@lj9732 I realize I should have at least mentioned it in this video too 😂 thanks bro!

[@JdsBleedo]

I agree with you here I went down that buying gear road and it was addictive, but it wasn't needed, with that said I do have a pair of barefoot monitors, and they sound amazing, also I never really used a summing mixer which one would you recommend

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@JdsBleedo I went down that road too brother, it can be a long and expensive road but I’m glad we both got through our gear addictions alive! That said, I really appreciated the RND Orbit summing mixer for about 50 percent of my summing needs. I’ve used the Sigma as well but wasn’t in love there. The SPL mix dream is another really good one. Not a fan of the dangerous summing box either. That’s the extent of experience with summing mixers!

[@JdsBleedo]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks!!! the orbit is on sale so i might give it try for 30 days and see if it enhances my sound quality

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@JdsBleedo Please let me know how you like it! I recommend starting using it on drums and and bass lines, amped to hear how it goes!

[@Thereal12prodigy]

So trueee bro I got the CLA 10s their like the newer ns10s and I realized it was hard to make my mix sound good on them but when u do it’s magic 🫨

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Thereal12prodigy the magic is in the midrange! I’m glad you have a workflow you can trust 🙏

[@Lychegsye-nc6td]

do u calibrate? if u do, do u use trinnov or sth else? do u have a house target for ur self?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Lychegsye-nc6td I actually don’t use calibration, I just have really gotten to know my room and setup but I also have laser measured my monitors placement so it’s as exactly as possible. I also have headphones to rely on as a reference but I know people love the Trinnov system. I find that sonarworks is cool too but I prefer to use it as a way to see where I need to further treat my room or move my speakers around as opposed to actually using the correction software. The Neumann system is supposed to be really great as well but I haven’t used their room correction yet.

[@melodicmomento]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I've watched a few of your videos now and can't help but notice how one of your speakers is in the corner and other other is not.. Just a guess here, but that corner would be impacting the right speaker and throwing off the balance of the two speakers a bit no? I have been running Neumann kh120A with an 8 inch Adam Sub for several years using Sonarworks to calibrate the system... It was always interesting to see the little differences in calibration between the Left and Right speaker depending on what was behind and around the speakers. Recently I got some PMC result 6 and an Audient NERO Monitor controller... Running sonarworks for different sets speakers seemed like too much of a headache to manage so I have ditched it completely. In place of sonarworks I have added a cloud over my mix position and 8 feet of bass trapping in each corner behind where the speakers sit. The bass in the room has gotten really tight, and the PMC's plus my old sub with no special calibration except level matching them by the feel of reference material has given me the best results as far as translation that I have ever achieved. I agree with you about getting the best speakers you can get.. Preferably PMC! And the more acoustic treatment a person can apply, probably the better. I feel like a new man having left sonarworks in the dust and just mixing till it sounds good on both the result 6 + sub, and a single Avantone mixcube. I see the raptors hat, you from Toronto?

[@Mike_Benz_]

Have you ever used the Focal Alpha Twin Evo's? I do agree mostly but I would say acoustics and a big enough room/space first, just my opinion.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Mike_Benz_ I agree definitely, room treatment is key for sure and I definitely appreciate the Alpha lineup from Focal, I used the 65s at length and definitely did a lot of good production work on them. For mixing and mastering I’m not not really a fan of Focals until you get into the higher end stuff and even then, I’d probably lean towards something else unless production is more of a focus personally! But definitely give them a try for yourself and let me know how you feel about them as well 🙏

[@Mike_Benz_]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks, I am considering them as I can get them at a good deal during black Friday but not certain.

[@Mike_Benz_]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Sorry to hassle, but have you used the Neumann KH-120 II? I feel like they would be a better option as they are a similar price tag, thanks.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Mike_Benz_ Don't apologize bro, happy to help! I would definitely highly recommend the Neuman KH120s, both MK1 and MK2. They are great monitors but I didn't recommend them over the Evo's cause they are more than double the price of the Evo's. If you can afford to squeeze up toward the Neumanns, I would definitely go with them 🙏

[@Mike_Benz_]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks for your time man, appreciate it. I think I'm going to get a pair of Neumann KH120 II's, they seem like a great little monitor from what I've read. Neumann is a great brand which always produces quality, love their mics.

[@keeppushin]

what speakers do you have?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@keeppushin they are PMC 6-2s! I made two videos reviewing them as well 🙏

[@RainAstonIV]

Have you ever worked on some kii threes?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@RainAstonIV I actually haven’t yet! I’m working on getting a pair in the demo and review. The second I get em, a video will be up same day!

[@roderickmims4802]

What do you think about the pmc6 results?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

I think they are really solid, but the new PMC Transmission lineup is definitely even better in my opinion!

[@roderickmims4802]

@ are you talking about the regular PMC6 or the dual? Have you ever heard of Fluid audio image 3 way speakers? I heard some really good things about those

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@roderickmims4802 the PMC 6 would be a better choice than the Result 6’s but it’s also subjective for sure, try to demo both! And I haven’t tried the fluid speakers yet but I’m curious about them. The SOS review was somewhat poor for them and I do have some faith in their reviewers and process but I’m definitely hoping to get a pair in soon!

[@roderickmims4802]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR thank you so much man for your feed back I will be looking to them.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@roderickmims4802 my pleasure bro!

[@mixedbyskeed]

I just got a pair of Kali IN8s. My first 3 way, where do these rank on your list?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@mixedbyskeed Kali’s are very popular for a reason! Especially for production, I think they can work well. Hard to rank them overall, but in their price range, they are definitely some solid contenders. Congrats on the new purchase!

[@darrylweller6143]

What do you recommend for hi end monitors for a home studio?

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@darrylweller6143 I always recommend PMC! The 6’s or 6-2’s are a great place to start that journey, but be sure to use aes monitoring with them to get the most it of them!

[@darrylweller6143]

What is aes monitoring? I had pmc’s which I had bad ear fatigue

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@ if you’re experiencing ear fatigue and if you’re unfamiliar with AES in monitors, you likely didn’t have the models I recommended to you. Look into them, try to demo one of the two pairs and see what you think! Best of luck 🙏

[@Rhuggins]

Great content brother - Speakers in a shit room is still shit though, which makes it the most important variable. I'm guessing youre operating under the assumption that your audience knows this, but they may not.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Rhuggins thank you! And you’re exactly right, I kinda just assumed the room treatment thing was a given but I should definitely cover all bases for anyone who might come across this video! I made sure to pin a comment on how I fully support treatment as a first line of defense as well 🙏 thanks for checking in!

[@Seraph137]

Do you have any thoughts on Genelec 8330 (with SAM correction) vs Dynaudio LYD 7? Or, would I be better served to save up for PMC 6 (at $6K), Barefoot 01 (around $5K)? Music production/compossing is orchestra music with strong focus on strings. Thanks for your insight, and nice video.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@Seraph137 I would definitely be between the Genelec or if you can save up, the PMCs in your case! Orchestral music requires reliable representation of dynamics, detail, and stereo image and composition can rely on sub synthesis and production so PMC’s do check of those boxes for you. I know I’m not a fan of ATC overall but for the work you do, string and composition, they could be a contender as well. The other option I would recommend highly would be the kh310’s with a kh750 sub. With a great converter, they can be extremely effective. Be sure to demo everything before you buy! Hope this helps 🙏

[@bpmproductions5946]

I have pmc result 6 speakers and no matter what i do i cannot get a good sound from them. Spent thousands on room treatment, i have decent converters (rme ufx iii), and have made a million adjustments in placement and no matter what i cannot get rid of the speakers' huge boost at 130 and the cut at 2k. The boost in particular is so dramatic that corrective eq just kills the warmth and leaves them sounding cold, and orherwise they are extremely muddy. I was thinking about switching to neumann 310s, but then i saw your vid on how much you love the pmc 6-2s. Plenty of folks seem to love the 6-2s, but they are a bit big for my room. Do you have any experience with regular pmc 6's? For the record, there are aspects of my result 6s i absolutely fucking love, like the stereo image, separation, and high end clarity. Tl;dr neumann 310s or pmc 6?

[@neweratraxx2768]

stop chasing brands no matter what you have your monitors will only be as good as your ears

[@bpmproductions5946]

@neweratraxx2768 obviously lol

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@bpmproductions5946 hey bro, I think something important to consider is actually the DAC. If you have a well treated room, and your cables are all in working condition, try to Demo or rent an RME ADI 2 DAC FS or a Lynx Hilo. If you still don’t like the Result 6’s, I would say that PMC probably isn’t the brand for you! What was your first or favorite previous monitor pair?

[@melodicmomento]

Hey man, I also have the result 6 speakers and I find them to be fantastic tools for mixing. I partner them with a 500$ adam sub and Audient Nero monitor controller. I found muddy stuff to be driving me nuts too when I first started working on the PMC's... Thats because the music was actually muddy. I used to use sonarworks with my old speakers and now just running the result 6's with a sub without calibration my mixes are working SO much better. I go between the Result 6 and a mono Mixcube and at the end of it, the mix just sounds right no matter what pair of headphones I put on after to check my mix. I suggest you just trust the speakers for a while and make your music sound good on them... I bet it translates quite well.

[@bpmproductions5946]

@melodicmomento this is awesome to hear! It gives me hope. I pair the result 6s with a neumann kh750 sub. I will say, in trying to mix for what sounds good on the speakers, I will often take my mix somewhere else and it sounds thin and weak because I am trying to compensate for what I'm hearing. Room wizard eq legit tells me I am experiencing a 6-9db boost in that range, and that hadn't changed regardless positioning or room treatment. Is your boost that extreme too? Thanks for the response! There's SO MUCH I love about these speakers (stereo image, separation, the mid highs/highs). I just can't seem to adjust to the huge low mid stuff.

[@potsandjacks]

Headphones>monitors

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@potsandjacks you’ll love my video on headphones coming out this week! 😂

[@potsandjacks]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Nice, hope the Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pros get a cameo

[@potsandjacks]

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I have great monotiers, and a treadted room but the placement of my desk and equipment is horrible and cant be moved to a better place. Headphones are my best option.

[@RAYNETHESAVIOUR]

@@potsandjacks headphones solves a lot of problems and I also grew up listening to music on headphones and earbuds a lot too. It’s a very comfortable space for me to work on music in headphones personally because of that too! The beyerdynamics are a really solid choice for sure, glad you found a way to utilize headphones well 🙏