Don't Buy a "Gaming Chair" - Office Chair vs. Gaming Chair Round-Up & Review

Gaming chairs have become prevalent, but shameless copy-pasting by most "manufacturers" has led to a stagnant industry with poor value vs. even cheap office chairs.
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This video includes mini-reviews of several office chairs that we've now been using for about a year at the office. The project started in December of 2019, then we filmed the bulk of the video in August of 2020, and added concluding thoughts in December of 2020. All of these chairs have been swapped around between the team for months now, and we eventually all picked our favorites. Patrick ended up preferring the ErgoChair 2, Steve preferred the Aeron after much adjustment and struggling to find the best positioning, Keegan and Andrew use the Komene Mesh chair (whoever comes in first -- we're buying a second one to solve this), and Mike uses the SL4000, but will probably also switch to an office chair once he decides which one he prefers. He does not like the SL5000 as much as the SL4000, due to the 5000's wider base.
We'll talk about whether a gaming chair is worth it, how they compare to similarly priced office chairs, and the few times we think a gaming chair makes sense. Please remember that this is completely subjective, but to help smooth-out the subjective nature of a chair, we involved the entire GN team in the editorial process of the content. Even still, it's likely that your own unique needs, setup, and your body may demand a different chair than what we all came to like. That's completely fine, and feel free to share your own favorites in the comments in a constructive way that may help other viewers. Our biggest problem with gaming chairs, though, is how little innovation they have -- but there's room to make them better, if only someone would try and commit to it. We even went through the process of getting quotes to make our own gaming chair (we're not actually making it) to determine the cost and difficulty. Both are low.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Office Chair vs. Gaming Chair Round-Up
01:46 - Gaming Chairs Come from Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V Factories
02:59 - Sales Data on Gaming Chair Popularity
03:43 - Glorified Sticker Factories
04:04 - One Place Gaming Chairs Can Shine
05:07 - "Making" Our Own "GN Chair" (Not Really)
08:53 - Office vs. Gaming Chairs in This Round-Up
10:32 - Blind Quality Test Preview with GN Staff
12:55 - Chairs Take a Long Time to Evaluate
14:19 - Gaming Chairs in Review
17:41 - Herman Miller Aeron Office Chair vs. Gaming Chairs
20:50 - Cheap Amazon Office Chair Mini-Review
23:15 - Komene Mesh Office Chair (Well-Received)
25:42 - ErgoChair 2 from Autonomous (Well-Received)
28:04 - Conclusion
29:05 - Personal Fitness Might Matter More Than the Chair
30:40 - Some Reasons to Buy a Gaming Chair - Don't Feel Bad
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[@GamersNexus]

As stated in the description and video, of course, there are times a gaming chair might make sense; in general, however, our opinion on this very subjective matter is that you should buy a similarly priced office chair for the best outcome. But, as everyone's body is different and setups are different, you shouldn't feel bad about liking your gaming chair if you do have one and like it. This video includes mini-reviews of several office chairs that we've now been using for about a year at the office. The project started in December of 2019, then we filmed the bulk of the video in August of 2020, and added concluding thoughts in December of 2020. All of these chairs have been swapped around between the team for months now, and we eventually all picked our favorites. Patrick ended up preferring the ErgoChair 2, Steve preferred the Aeron after much adjustment and struggling to find the best positioning, Keegan and Andrew use the Komene Mesh chair (whoever comes in first -- we're buying a second one to solve this), and Mike uses the SL4000, but will probably also switch to an office chair once he decides which one he prefers. He does not like the SL5000 as much as the SL4000, due to the 5000's wider base. Check out our Cyberpunk graphics optimization guide here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ina5iYmcaa2oZrc

[@ac.creations]

Lazy boy/armchair is best gaming chair. plywood lap desk.

[@vladimirljubopytnov5193]

Any news on the GN case ;)?

[@Starscreamious]

Finally some quality content. =D

[@JudgeRightly]

Any thoughts on Monstertech's new Flight sim chair?

[@alandauer8005]

Thanks for clarifying. Furthermore, it is a fool's errand to think one will find one chair that will be comfortable 12 hours a day. The best thing is to have at least two different chairs so you can switch after a few hours. This is the only thing that works. I did pay $400 or $500 for a DXRacer a few years ago only because it was the first chair i could find that had a LOCKING RECLINE position. My other is an Eames lounge chair. Both i highly recommend but it really goes without saying that you need to add customizations to both chairs to achieve satisfactory ergonomics.

[@XhaustionYT]

Me with a dining room chair: hmmm interesting...

[@connorvine6399]

Same.

[@the-experiment]

I bought a dining chair from target and it’s all of my money $50

[@banjojones5958]

good to know im not alone.

[@bred6751]

Same

[@thegamerboy1000]

I’m currently using a straight back (as in 90 degrees) dinning room chair and boy can that get uncomfortable after a while, and I’ve slept in some pretty uncomfortable chairs.

[@maki49574]

They bullied me for having an office chair, now I bully them for having a back pain.

[@MrDonut-dq9hm]

Lmao

[@TimDeadmenVP]

Savage

[@kneeknee23]

epic

[@TwinbornMist]

Alpha male spotted

[@joker-qg1pb]

I have had a gaming chair for 3 years and had zero back pain

[@SlamTF2]

I've owned 3 or 4 different "racing" gamer chairs in my life, two of which were over $200, and all of them only lasted me between 1 and 1.5 years before breaking to where they were no longer usable, either an arm rest completely breaking off, or the back being stuck in the most far back position and no longer locking in upright positions. I finally went and got a mesh-style office chair for like $150 at office depot and it's been over 4 years and it's only now begun to deteriorate to the point of me needing a new one soon.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

If you like mesh chairs, I'd recommend a used Aeron if you're on a budget or a brand new remastered one if money is no object.

[@budgetking2591]

My AK Racing gaming chair is going strong for 7 years already, sat in it every day for at least 5 hours, and it wont need replacement any time soon, i guess there are good ones out there.

[@lazygaming92]

Where I live this damn chair is $1500 and I almost bought this for my husband but I'm glad my brain told me to look up reviews 😂 because that would of hurt my pocket 🥲

[@Konraden]

@@StardustLegacyFighter I've owned entirely too many chairs over the past 20 years, starting out on a cheap folding chair and finally with an HM Mira 2. When i was in college I bought my first office chair, some $150 fake leather chair and it lasted all of 2 years. I bought a nicer, $200 office chair that lasted just as long. I ended up paying for two more chairs, each $300, that likewise lasted 3 years each. (Technically I still have my last one but I had to repair it twice to different failures). I ended up keeping my HM Mira 2 from my office when we all went WFH, and after six years of sitting in the thing for 8+ hours a day every day, it still feels brand new. It might be expensive to throw down $1000 for a chair, but if that chair is still going to be around after I've already gone through $1000 of worthless shitty gaming chairs, it's absolutely worth it. Boots Theory of Economics, and it's the lesson I try to tell people everytime they tell me they're thinking about getting a $300 gaming chair.

[@047Kenny]

Yeah bro I spent almost 400 on my racer chair and stupid screws fall out of it every day.

[@johns1625]

Best chair I ever had was a $50 office chair from Ikea. It lasted nearly ten years before it was too hideous to keep around. Every one of those gaming chairs I've sat in seemed super slippery and uncomfortable and I always thought it was a scammy idea in the first place.

[@warsmith1294]

Yeah I keep on hearing ikea chairs are the best, I gotta try one out

[@tvrtkocro28]

​​​@@warsmith1294try ikea markus chair it's great

[@Dwight511]

But how are you going to get 10+ KD ratio? You need a 500 dollar gaming chair.

[@kalereborn]

Best chair I ever owned was a $100 POS from Sams club. Thing lasted me like 5-7 years before finally dying. Nowdays chairs a little more expensive than it last 2-3 years before I have to retire them. Hell they only last me 1 year but due to financial constraint I have to keep them 2-3 before I have enough to buy a new chair.

[@sansan8994]

Nice try Ikea

[@samglover3133]

"They move in four directions, and thus can traverse the space-time continuum" We love you, Steve

[@maldar]

LOL

[@petenielsen6683]

My other car is a TARDIS.

[@johnbuscher]

It's technically true!

[@zeilstar]

Spend good money on things between you and the ground: shoes, tires, mattresses, and chairs.

[@MrZeepman]

Socks :^)

[@virdiid8621]

Toes

[@zeilstar]

@@MrZeepman Yes! I personally go with Darn Tough!

[@SomeOne-wr1wr]

Ooooo wow I actually really like what you said. I'll keep it in mind :D

[@zeilstar]

I was shopping for bike tires once and asked why these tires cost twice as much as the other ones. The reply was that they'll last three times longer, and you won't get a flat. Turns out he was right.

[@avinotion]

14 years ago I bought an all-mesh office chair with no adjustments (except for height) for less than $100, and it was the most comfortable chair I've ever sat in. It held for 3 years at the very least, and I only gave it up when I had to move, and didn't think I'd ever have trouble finding something similar.

[@Telbruk]

12 years ago I bought a 200€ office chair designed for long sessions. To this day, I'm still using it everyday. Most chairs I had before did not last a couple years before the feet or back broke.

[@avinotion]

@@Telbruk you know, if they stack those chairs you mentioned high enough, it could be a broke-back mountain... I'm leaving already.

[@Infinity777z]

@@avinotion Can you please tell me what the chair is name and is it good for gaming and relaxing? Good back support?

[@avinotion]

@@Infinity777z address your question to the other guy. The one I had, had no brand. Sorry.

[@avinotion]

@@Deathrape2001It was 15 years ago, no brand and cheap as hell ($75). That price makes sense because it was right before the 2008 collapse which made everything lower quality for a higher price. Didn't know finding something like that would be impossible, nor did I think I'd need to remember exactly what brand it was for an internet argument. And how is it bragging rights? I lost something good. Never mind, I just read your name. You probably think it's cool... Why am I arguing with "deathrape2001"? Grow up.

[@stultuses]

Just like in all your other types of reviews, you even do chair reviews properly!!! What a quality channel...

[@WalrusGangMafia]

I clicked on a video titled “don’t buy gaming chairs” and quickly learned more about marketing than I had ever known. Give these people a like man... they go above and beyond on EVERYTHING

[@SM121982]

"Check your own dimensions." Upon analysis, I have discovered that I am a 5D person, and therefore need a chair with 5D features.

[@GamersNexus]

Afraid to ask what the fifth dimension is. Is it consciousness?

[@kotwin]

@@GamersNexus I'm afraid the 5th is RGB

[@gardian06_85]

@@kotwin wouldn't that be the 5th, 6th and 7th? hmmmm

[@zengrath]

@@GamersNexus Don't be silly, the 5th dimension is actually reality beyond our simulation silly.

[@_BangDroid_]

Check yourself before you rest yourself

[@MartinBergnerGuitar]

We got the Herman Miller Aeron in our studio and the first time sitting on it I was like "hm, this doesn't feel like 1200€" but I can tell you after spending some 8hour+ sessions in it: they feel amazing! Honestly I don't want any other chair at my workplace. Maybe they are not the best to relax in but I can tell you that you won't have any pain at any place of your body or feel exhausted even after spending 10 hours in it. Absolutely love it!

[@PyroClit]

Same. I bought a Herman Miller Aeron 6 months ago because i was having back problems. First month it felt like its not doing anything and felt uncomfortable. 6 months after, i havent had any back problem after sitting 8-12hrs a day and it feels super comfortable. Edit. Customer Service is spot on. My Aeron was creaking after 2 months of use. Called service, and they sent a new one brand new for free.

[@MrBungled]

£1200 for a fucking chair is insane

[@SoLdIeRthe0nE]

@@MrBungled Why is insane ? We buy top quality ergonomic chairs to protect our bodies. Its the exact same logic when someone spends 1500 on a orthopaedic mattress to save his back. Those chairs are 10+ years of heath investment at least.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

@@MrBungled It's an investment for your health, unlike some shitty racing seat. But you don't always have to buy a new one, most people just buy a refurbished one for less than half price.

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

@@SoLdIeRthe0nE It's a bunch of plastic

[@AndyGNicholls]

Absolutely spot on, especially the Noblechairs Icon. I currently own this and the arm rests are stupidly uncomfortable. I've had it for just over 2 years now and I cannot wait to get rid of it. Currently researching office chairs for an Christmas gift to myself!!

[@electricheadgino763]

"This video was edited from this chair". Transparency at its finest.

[@CHEFPKR]

As someone who edits lots of hours and games a bit, my Gaming chair turns into a pool of sweat due to zero breathability. Do not recommend.

[@thinkfaster]

There are fabric options!

[@thinkfaster]

@Peestain25 It's just the nature of vinyl, and to a lesser degree leather.

[@thinkfaster]

@Peestain25 Yeah uh.. comedic genius.

[@MrJamesonStyles]

You just need to squirt some thermal grizzly down before you sit.

[@everythingsbetternaked473]

Can i come smell your chair some time?

[@blazin_kitty]

I love how you are brutally honest about these chairs lol I’ve been looking for a office chair I like that is able to be tall enough for my desk and I always watch your videos with hubby on his pc so I already knew I was gonna get honesty straight from the jump before even hitting play lol. Love your channel!❤

[@rickdaddy]

I really enjoyed this review and how you guys brought it back full circle to the gaming chairs and also the core stability bit. Great review

[@Quamsi]

Gotta say my gaming chair i picked up 3 years or so ago is one of my highest financial regrets. 400$ to make my back and legs hurt, compared to a free office chair i got from work that was wayyy more comfortable and i could sit in far longer without aching or losing circulation.

[@GamersNexus]

Oof. Any idea which office chair it was? What do you use now?

[@frozencold199]

@@GamersNexus do gaming headset test next, they are just as awful as chairs

[@Blue-cq2hl]

Mine is the only chair that I've had that didn't cost an arm and a leg and also didn't break down physically after a year lol. It's been mostly cosmetic issues with it though but I tried them out when I was buying. I have yet to find another chair that is either supportive or big enough without worrying about padding breaking down into ass numbing territory lol

[@castlebear199]

@@frozencold199 idk I’d consider the PC 38x a damn good headset

[@Quamsi]

@@GamersNexus ahhh i have no idea what the chair i have now is. Pretty generic looking..... the gaming chair is an Ak Racing something or other (looks exactly like all the other gaming chairs, as predicted), i got it from bestbuy.

[@somethingbrite8484]

"find a used office chair that was better to begin with..." This is the best message to take from this video on many levels.

[@StevePringle]

Good luck finding any now. With people working from home, stocks are low or prices shot up. Luckily, the thrift store had a nice one (because it squeaks when you rock) so I snagged it to repair.

[@piggythepimp]

Exactly what I did, picked up a used Steelcase Leap off of ebay, had it for 2 years now.

[@fabronaut7478]

@@StevePringle this is exactly why I caved and bought a chair... a reasonably priced "gaming" chair that seemed halfway decent... a week or two before this video came out. -_- there are too many options and it's not clear which ones are actually decent, well made, and worth spending more.

[@dankmeme1482]

Yes but used chairs contain farts

[@StevePringle]

Don't get the cloth seat, @@dankmeme1482 Go for the "pleather" version. LOL.

[@Mittke88]

I've switched from a gaming/racing chair to a Steelcase Gesture office chair. The difference in quality and comfort is staggering. When you think about it at first the price is mental, but this chair will at least last you a decade. In the end, it's a good deal.

[@kwaliex]

The fact that you want to spend 2K on an office chair is beyond me..

[@mr.commonsense6645]

@@kwaliex holy shiit a chair cost 2k???

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

@@kwaliex Late reply but like they said a really good office chair is a buy once and never need to worry about a new one for the rest of your life essentially.

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

@@kwaliex There are office chairs, and then there are office chairs... It all depends on what you can afford, how much time you spend sitting in it, and how long you want it to last. If I could afford to spend $2k on a chair, I absolutely would. Especially as you get older, a good chair is critical for posture and back health. Spending a lot of time sitting in a crappy chair with bad posture is a great way to develop anything from sciatica (which is extremely uncomfortable and bothers you literally 24/7 - while sitting, laying, or standing), to much more severe and painful issues. TL;DR: Don't try to shame people for spending a lot on something that they probably spend the majority of their waking hours sitting in. Some day you'll get it.

[@lthandle]

Another Gesture owner chimming it. Even though it's absolutely very expensive but it's indeed worth it in the long run, especially if the user spends a lot of time on it. My issues were only that it's kinda trap heat and the head rest is a tad taller for my short height. The arm rest though is simply the best there is!

[@frettystories]

Thank you for doing this video. I almost just bought a 500 dollar gaming chair cause I'm looking for something more comfortable. I now know to go get an office chair tomorrow. Thank you sir! BTW, I love how you show you guys nerding out in this video. Awesome.

[@Jenna_Talia]

Christ if I paid that much for a gaming chair I'd give all my bank account details to my family or some shit so that I don't impulse buy anymore lmao

[@gstormcz]

Best way to test chair for gaming is go shop at try sitting it. I tried gaming chair only once, I couldn't stand sitting it that chair for more than minute. Neither mesh filling office chairs are good for gaming. I picked every time decently hard foam seat cushion with breathable mesh. Price around 50-150USD after currency conversion for US. Got 2nd one only after many years of daily use, 1st one was worn cushion cover, while last one was bit loosy I just tightened screws and it lasts. Also cushion was initially wrong angled resulting in sliding off chair, I was almost ready to throw in trash, but it went flattened to become comfortable finally. If it breaks its cheap to get new one. But comfort and value is great. Avoid synthetic leather cushion cover. Forearm rest is best made from rubber coating, Did I forget to say it shall be wheel chair? That's all from me.

[@Udai_taxim]

@@Jenna_Talia right lol I paid $120 for mine. i don't mind it for that price

[@thetshadow999animates9]

Lemme guess: Titan Evo 2022? I wish GN would go over it because all other reviews of it said it was great.

[@techti8792]

What did you end up getting amd how is is holding up?

[@D3L3T3]

Testimony: I owned a gaming chair, it destroyed my tailbone and lower back. Bought a used herman miller and now I don't have the pain. Completely gone. This channel is for the people! 🤝👏👏👏🙏

[@davidfence6939]

When people scream Herman Miller costs too much I remind them to check the used markets and office buildings closing.

[@sl06bhytmar]

Me sitting on used car tyre: interesting.

[@amphy7591]

*Tire. Yes, I am American therefore I am correct.

[@JAMZYGAMING]

😂😂😂

[@la24dogg21]

XD Im watching this went to the comments because of something completely random and noticed this comment whiles sitting on one of those church style Blue/Black/or brown metal foldout chairs. I lost it when I read that .

[@da3v1ls93]

Mita Vittu

[@SparQz]

*me sitting on a chair that was thrown away* neat.

[@steved7406]

I grabbed an ergochair back when they introduced their original model like 5 years ago. Most expensive chair I've ever got, and also the first office chair I've ever had that lasted more than a year and is still going strong . It really takes a good chair to make you realize just how bad others are.

[@thevillain4288]

Way late on this one - but in my experience a good chair for work shouldn't be 'comfy'. A sofa or arm chair should be comfy. A desk chair should be supportive and something you forget your in. Like a good shoe - you shouldn't really notice it during prolonged use. It should provide support where needed and encourage you to sit properly. If you want something comfy then go for it, ultimately your the one sitting in it. But i spent £400 on back problems before getting a Herman Miller and its been a year since my neck and back hurt. Worth it to me.

[@Arthur-jx8bm]

Opposite for me, those Herman Millers have actually caused me discomfort, not quite pain but discomfort, really dislike them and prefer cushioned chairs instead. Personal preference I guess.

[@FredMaverik]

@@Arthur-jx8bm exactly me, what the fuck have these people been using? i'm tired of office chairs and WANT to be comfy

[@Arthur-jx8bm]

@@FredMaverik literally

[@AndrewB23]

@@Arthur-jx8bm it's probably because you're used sitting with bad posture and no support

[@Arthur-jx8bm]

@@AndrewB23 I am used to sitting in Herman Miller chairs, so unless you say they have bad support then I don't think it's that.

[@JarrodsTech]

Awesome! I've wanted someone to cover this for so long, the gaming chairs seem to be such a meme. I use the Aeron myself, the thought process was 10+ year warranty when I was previously going going through generic "office chairs" every 2 years at about $200 a pop, so might as well just spend more on something that will last - no issues after about 5 years so far, comfort is fine, not amazing but gets the job done sitting for some 15 hour days.

[@GamersNexus]

Good to see you, Jarrod! Yes, that makes a ton of sense and I think is probably the same thought process as the big IT businesses go through when buying them for employees. Not everyone can afford a $1000+ instant hit for a new chair (vs. 5x $200 expenses over 10 years), so clearly there's a market for cheaper ones, but for people who can afford it, your argument makes a lot of sense!

[@Ikxi]

I think after 15 hours, everything gets uncomfortable . . .

[@Vorrez]

@@GamersNexus I actually prefer my gaming chair vs any office/ergo chair ive tested so far, but i dont like to sit ergonomically :P i usually keep my legs on the chair and im a small fella 179cm 55kg corrected height lol this is what happens with the devils lettuce

[@denkoi1475]

Warranty for 300 lbs, 24/7 usage. Especially for offices that cycle through multiple 8hour shifts

[@Janzer_]

We used aeron's at the base I worked at. best damn chair i ever had. later I got a steelcase leap v2. still have it after 5 years. amazing chair. I sleep in it lol

[@What_Other_Hobbies]

A good chair does not HAVE to give you instant comfort when you get in it. It does not give you discomfort after you are in it for a long time.

[@GamersNexus]

Yes, well phrased. And also, the better chairs we've worked with take some time to conform to the body.

[@BL1THE]

it's just like a good pair of work shoes / insoles. instant comfort is often a sign of bad long term support

[@SirChocula]

I got a Serta chair that feels like magic when I sit in and feels great the entire time that I'm in it (+10 hours a day). So I respectfully disagree.

[@zanemcmorris4541]

Exactly what I felt with my Aeron, took 30 minutes to get comfy, and I haven't had back pain in the years since

[@samchongjingxian2811]

No need to explain it further...Lol Everybody will have different experiences, depends also what size are ur body, I am an Asian...And I definitely found more comfortable to sit on a gaming chair than a little office chair If u still need to look on other people opinions...I can only tell u are poor to even get a gaming chair

[@Keenok]

I have had my Herman Miller Aeron for over 9 years now. I spend on average 12 hours a day in it (sliding between my work and gaming rigs). One arm fabric has worn out, and the wheels are a bit worse for wear, but it is the best chair I have ever owned. I used to break and replace chairs every year, usually spending between 100 and 700USD. I have never been happier with a purchase than the Aeron. I live in Thailand so replacement parts are hard to come by, but the next time I am in the US I will just get new arms and wheels and it will be perfect again, hopefully for another 9 years.

[@notEAdemize99]

Holy shit, this chair costs 12x minimal wage in my country. Same situation with PC case prices. I don't understand how electronics get overseas at a better price than mechanical items. I wish some brand out there would be copying them for cheaper but it doesn't seem like it.

[@ShlomoSilverberg]

that chair is a scam

[@Keenok]

@@ShlomoSilverberg 10 years of flawless "chairing" says different.

[@linusperssonsgamingchannel7354]

10 years is not impressive, a chair for 50$ can also work great for 10 years. Herman Miller is overpriced shit.​@@Keenok

[@21agdmnm]

Im not paying over 1k for a dam chair..

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

I ended up getting the Aeron soon after I watched this video, and it's been amazing. I can't imagine going through the hassle of having to replace a gaming chair, after it inevitably fails.

[@swapnilmankame]

@@s7r49 Have you tuned it for your body?

[@blarghmcblarghson1903]

Overpriced low-quality chairs is something we shouldn't take sitting down.

[@Sincald]

A standing-up-and-stretching ovation to this comment

[@BillyLndn]

So is overpriced for no reason 50y old design chair. Herman miller is the apple of office chairs

[@DuBstep115]

@@BillyLndn Herman Miller is not even expensive. The 24/7 operator chairs we have at work cost like 3.8k

[@fruit5003]

@@DuBstep115 Doesn't make the Herman Miller chair cheap.

[@albertxion513]

@@fruit5003 They also have a 10 year warranty that's reliable

[@directmiss]

"Check your own dimensions." You see what you've failed to understand, Steve, is that the 4D armrests aren't for mere mortals like us, peasants who only have three dimensions. No. The 4D armrests are for the Ascended, those enlightened with the gift of one extra dimension. Only they can truly comprehend the majesty of the 4D armrest.

[@d00dEEE]

Only after you have achieved Total RGB Enlightenment may you ascend to the Fourth Dimension.

[@MaD0MaT]

Fourth dimension is time itself. Sitting in these is sending your spine back in time to ape times of our kind. So essentially anyone can use it.

[@gudtimes6363]

I read that in Penguinz0s voice.

[@amashaziz2212]

@@gudtimes6363 u watch him too? He bores me sometimes but at other times....OH MAN!!

[@gudtimes6363]

@@amashaziz2212 yeah he's pretty hit or miss but can be really entertaining and funny. Also talks about internet culture which I would else miss.

[@The1OthLetter]

Absolutely love the core strengthening tip at the end, keeping it real. You guys are the best

[@josh.webber]

Great video guys! Wow learned a ton! I was SO close to buying a gaming chair last night but their website went down briefly and I backed out. Glad I saw this video first!!

[@RobSomeone]

Just an excuse for Steve to talk more about mesh and air flow.

[@Raivo_K]

You know it. Some of the case makers could come up with creative chairs. Fractal Meshify Gaming Chair. Now with built in cable management and RGB.

[@DzinkyDzink]

@@Raivo_K "Excellent build quality, but issues with airflow.."

[@Lodinn]

@@DzinkyDzink Pretty much the only complaint I had about Meshify C is that the materials felt bit cheap... Airflow and cable management feel great though.

[@slayer2777]

"Due to a language barrier, we were unable to determine if it could truly, travel time." I died laughing

[@georgevana]

so you returned back from the dead to write this? respect

[@wannabewallaby1592]

welcome back to life

[@rob_over_9000]

F

[@StoicTheGeek]

4D armrests I've seen can travel through time, but have all been broken as they only seem to go one direction - forwards. No fast forward function on them either.

[@ma0kai85]

RIP in Peace!

[@Indigo_Gaming]

This is very valuable info, and I did look at several high-end office chairs before I landed on my "daily drivers." My situation is a bit rare in that I'm a massive individual at 6'8 and 270lbs, so I go to the absolute tallest chairs on offer, like the DXRacer King Series and the SecretLab Titan. If I was a good half-foot shorter, it seems like the ErgoChair would absolutely be the best option for me, with some tweaking. Thank you to Steve and the team for this reasoned and researched info!

[@teseus6416]

I work 12 hour shifts and I spend most of those on an Ikea Markus. Over here it's around $135. I cannot recommend it enough, I love it so much I bought a couple for my home as well. I'm sure there are better and fancier chairs, but I couldn't find anything better for that price.

[@oxsnxiwn7804]

Me sitting on a worn out 16yr old chair my dad stole from the Air Force

[@unknownunkown4992]

Air Force would like to know your location.

[@sy-zu4uz]

What a badass history that chair has

[@lameguy3352]

300 dollars for the chair right now

[@oxsnxiwn7804]

@@lameguy3352 yoo deal the chairs worth like 30 dollars😂 wait wait I mean 500

[@lisafairymeadow2034]

Air force chairs are the best in the world, they've been specifically designed for the primary occupation of the airforce.

[@CriKnight]

Steve: "This chair would be an upgrade to someone sitting in a Dining Room chair" Me who uses a Dining Room chair: "You dare to insult my gaming chair!?"

[@hailgod1]

heh get an upgrade, i sat on one for years and had pain everywhere that touches the chair

[@druskee2380]

I've used a 1890 spring cushion dining chair for last 5 years lol. Finally upgraded to mesh last month!

[@LumianGames]

Man, I've been using a foldable garden chair since 3 years. had to fix a few joints when they flew apart ^^' I'd love a dining room chair or better XD

[@ranjanbiswas3233]

Steve: "This chair would be an upgrade to someone sitting in a Dining Room chair" Me who uses a Dining Room chair: "You dare to insult my gaming chair!?" #2

[@abhimaanmayadam5713]

As a rocker of the dining room chair myself (my desk is literally in my dining room), get a foam seat cushion off of Amazon. Totally worth it and it props you up an inch.

[@crome2298]

I own the autonomous ergo chair for home and just recently purchased a cheap $100 chair at Costco for the office and I can say that I'm genuinely impressed with that Costco chair, it has mesh bottom and back and 100% reccomend it.

[@delivix]

I've used a Herman Miller Aeron for at least 10 years and couldn't recommend them more. Started using them as the standard chair at my office, then bought my own during the COVID WFH period (I bought from a 2nd hand company the buys as part of office closures). The quality of the materials and the range of adjustments are absolutely superb. Yes these things are expensive, but if you have a desk job like me, you can't put a price on the productivity and wellbeing boost you get from being comfortable all day.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

💯

[@RaccChannel]

How much did you spend on it if you mind me asking?

[@subyouwont]

How do they fit for women? I am small

[@rBennich]

@@subyouwont They have different sizes.

[@DeeDee-pw9pm]

It's impressive how they managed to adapt vehicle racing seats, and make them more expensive, less comfortable and crappier.

[@razerow3391]

I find it amazing that GN have goes at others for the same thing. I mean you can buy a black T shirt for like under $10 if you want so why pay $20 for a GN one? It's just generic and millions of youtubers and companies use the same tshirt with just a different heat transfer printed on. Not as though its actually bespoke. And you can get proper T shirts designed for specific uses like working in hot environments for cheaper! I mean training tops for Soccer teams are way less and in some cases have stitching. And usually these places sell their products at the stadium meaning no need for postage and packaging. And you'd be supporting a local business. I mean it's not like a largge heat transfer costs under a $1 and that the T Shirts cost under $6 and not like GN charge $21 for a tshirt... I do think its funny they charge nearly the same for hoodies at what Prem Clubs in the UK charge for training tops designed for actual athletes from smaller brands like Castore that is owned partly by Tennis Pro Andy Murray and makes kits for the now multibillion rich Newcastle United (their owner worth 350BN GBP and makes them the richest sports team in the world) and Wolves that are owned by super rich Fosun International. I mean that is something... How much did GN spend on the R&D of the product? How many different designs did they pay graduates to design? Or... OR.... Did they just take a PNG they already had to someone that prints onto tshirts and say "print us 'x' amount of these" .... And then charge the same price as companies that spend millions and billions on design and materials used. Mmmm... $30 for a hoodie made cheap or one that was bespoke designed for the club i support and more importantly... Designed to go through wear and tear and used on the training ground. I mean no offence... But google Adama Traore and see how many times he has had his shoulder dislocated by people pulling on his arm and shirt to stop him... His shoulder joint gave way before the stitching did.

[@campersruincod6134]

@@razerow3391 good joke 😂

[@scivirus3563]

Vehicle racing seats are meant to keep your SPINE in line in all condition for a long time amongst other things .also you must not be overweight and be relatively fit ..these guys do not Qualify

[@Blunk_]

Less comfortable? Have you sit in a real racing seat? Obviously you don't know.

[@ahabsbane]

@@Blunk_ I have racing buckets in my NISMO and they are soooo comfortable, i6s like my car is giving me a hug! Seriously though I'm mildly overweight, have a bad back, and put in some serious hours driving, they give me no issues.

[@RKroese]

YEARS of actual ergonomic research. VS Marketing for teens.

[@andrewstewart1464]

Because why work when you can just sell products to uninformed consumers?

[@luke_fabis]

Reminds me of Beats, pre-Apple.

[@Spazik86]

Yea I never understood why people buy crap 150 USD chair for like 400-500 USD... But the reality is that it is all marketing, companies just give free chairs to KZbinrs and Streamers, and people just buy it...

[@Dynasty1818]

Marketing for streamer losers more like.

[@RKroese]

@@Dynasty1818 ok, i understand the sentiment, but you just sound jelly 2 me. Lol

[@alexrath9179]

Older video, but I came across it because it was in my list from watching more of your content. My Secret Labs chair is finally done after 4 years, and it was time for a replacement. Actually decided to make the plunge, and ordered an Aeron Gaming chair (the big difference is that it's a dark onyx black, and it's pre-configured. It actually had all the options I would have chosen anyway, so bonus because it was on sale). Thanks for covering something that really makes a difference!

[@Sidkain]

I got a Secretlab Chair after having a cheap Amazon gaming racing chair for a long time. The Secretlab has been perfect for me (One of the only companies to include a smaller model for shorter people). Lumbar support is fantastic, magnetic pillow doesn't have the sag issues like the "seatbelt" pillows do, armrests are CUSHY (even more so after I warranty replaced them when some of the material started cracking on the originals. The model number for the new replacements is V3 versus the V1 on the originals I got, so I know they've been changing and upgrading things). Based on the warranty experience alone that I've had with Secretlab, the high price was well worth it. Also went with softweave over leather/faux leather and it was defintely the right choice. All that being said, when this Secretlab dies on me - and I expect it to last a VERY long time, it's still doing well a year later - I'll probably go with a mesh ergonomic office to save a bit more money and still have a fantastic chair for posture and comfort.

[@firestxrmrev]

you have the exact same experience as me, only complaint I have about the secretlab is that the armrests have quite a lot of give in the rotation adjustment, but the memory foam armrests are super nice

[@Hersheyquest]

I laughed so hard at "the only thing less breathable than a vertagear chair is an NZXT case" hahaha

[@drvish]

ya that was a good one!

[@kiroh1859]

:( wait a minute I have an nzxt case

[@EvilDalton]

I did too from my vertagear chair quickly glancing over at my NZXT H510i lmao

[@Royaltea_Citizen]

Brilliant 🤣🤣

[@oceyho]

Some front and top panel customization (CNC'd holes on the h710) and it is one of the best, easily.

[@AyeHalveQs]

The best advice for buying a chair is to go to a store and find one that fits you and that you are comfortable in. I got a gaming chair at an office furniture store solely because it supported my posture for my computer use. The office chairs made for high capacity use were uncomfortable. The arm rests didn't go low enough, nor did the seat go low enough for me to reach the ground.

[@RedRabbitII]

this is in super detail, omg, thank you for making this quality QUALITY video!

[@neverfond]

5:35 OMG that "Zhejiang" pronunciation is just spot on, good job Steve.

[@tolpacourt]

50 cent army agrees

[@Deceptikhan]

I think he speaks Chinese...or Mandarin, or...I'm not sure and now I feel bad for saying anything.

[@ericclarkva]

I had the same thought the instant I heard his pronounciation. I was like, "Damn, someone took the time to learn how to pronounce something in Mandarin!"

[@ash9280]

@@tolpacourt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

[@thepsychobilly88]

First time I watched that part I thought that it was an audio glitch on the part of my headphones. Had to re-listen that part and I would've never guessed that Zhejiang is supposed to be pronounced that way. It sounds beautiful :) I would've pronounced it something like Cheychang, but now I know better :D

[@pepperonipizzamen]

It speaks volumes about your integrity as a reviewer that you make a point about addressing core strength & fitness, rather than just pointing to a product to magically improve posture. Thank you GN!

[@sherwin4ever]

I was about to buy a gaming chair, good thing I saw this. Thank you so much for the review! Keep safe and bless you guys! 😊😁

[@RocZi]

My "gaming chair" is a mesh head rest, mesh back rest and mesh seat, (for airflow, softness and cooler temperature contact point) with swivel and wheels, with adjustable height for head rest, back rest, and arm rest is also adjustable height and forward and backward, rotatable as well, and also adjustable lumbar support behind the back rest. It has everything i need for a comfy chair and it costs USD110. I used it for gaming, for movie, for work, for everything. i only have 1 chair. all the gaming chairs look so uncomfortable. i don't understand why you want to pay so much money for an uncomfy chair. my chair still lasts 3 years going now. the mesh are still strong and nothing's broken nor stopped working. i expect to use it for another 2 years. there's literally no reason to change it due to functionality. and yes, like the video conclusion said, if you do not exercise, stretch the correct muscles, have good posture when sitting or standing, it affects your comfort level when you are sitting on your chair as well. Only constant exercising and stretching your neck, your back can then allows you to slouch longer / have bad but comfy resting postures.

[@SuperScyth]

what is the model and brand of this chair you have?

[@RocZi]

​@@SuperScyth ​ The one i have is M16. As dangerous as it sounds, its actually pretty harmless =P At the time of buying (which i realized was in Dec 2017), the chair was named as : "M16 Iden Ventilated Office Chair (Black)" bought for SGD 189. Seller website : Take A Seat dot sg that "Iden" word was used in the past, and is no longer part of the branding name in searches today, and in local sg online stores. google searches for the words "M16 chair" today, will find the new M16 chairs shown with padded seats only (the headrest and back are still mesh). However I did find M57 chair (a more pricer version) to look exactly like M16, but with mesh seat. it has the exact same design as M16. I believed they have rebranded the M16 mesh to be M57. there is a website sihoo dot com dot au where you can find the product "SIHOO M16 Ergonomics Office Chair". Scroll down and you can actually see a table that says the "Seat pan" is Mesh version. Crazy price though. also not sure why the armrest is mentioned as fixed sold by this store. My M16 armrest could push the top portion forward & back, up & down, and rotate too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJTIe4ODo5Z7nLM

[@aznwierdone]

the whole gamersnexus team has a unique and quietly hysterical sense of humor.

[@GamersNexus]

"It's like a concrete L" "*** this chair" "this is a good chair"

[@unknown_fusion9493]

Wait what, i thought this video was old. Im an idiot

[@megamanx466]

I think a video in the theme of 'The Office' starring all of them would be humorous. 😅

[@Aggnog]

slapped like

[@mvonsmallhausen3221]

​@@GamersNexus I did not expect the phrase "**** this chair" to appear in a youtube video, much less it being meaningful to the subject matter. Yet here we are.

[@420BulletSponge]

I bought myself a DX Racer after my daughter told me how much she loved the one I bought her for her birthday. I now wish I had used a different criterium for choosing my current gaming "throne".

[@GamersNexus]

That's good that she likes hers, though!

[@silverhawkroman]

Umm why would you take your kid's advice? Should be the other way around lol

[@marle96]

in my opinion DX Racer is far better than other gaming chairs. Mine doesn't restrict the shoulder at all, the armrests are soft, and they don't wear out that fast. Have mine for 3 years now and its comfortable like on day 1. I guess DX Racer isn't one of those copy paste companies.

[@julian2567]

@@marle96 I got the Valkyrie series, since I’m not big I fit perfectly in it but I still would prefer a office chair over gaming chair.

[@kidShibuya]

@@marle96 My dxracer, a premium version with apparently better covering is pretty much dead after 2 years. The arm rests have big cracks, the fake leather has totally disintegrated on the seat and is generally just falling apart. It IS comfortable though, just shit quality, especially for the price.

[@Jive33]

I bought the blue-cushioned ErgoChair 2 about 4 years ago. I added elbow cushions from Amazon for $5. Best chair I’ve ever gamed in. Extremely comfortable. Looks great. Really good for posture. And still going strong 4 years later.

[@Amir-gc8re]

Steve's sarcasm about the 4D armrest is just hilarious

[@TubularAnde]

Steve, I for one am deathly disappointed that this isn't a Gamers Nexus™ Gaming Chair announcement video. No I didn't watch, why do you ask

[@nigamelon9096]

That might be saved later for dissapoinment build merch🤔

[@ravenshrike]

Crandall office allows custom prints on their refurbished fabric chairs. So get a refurbished Leap and slap GN blue and a wireframe logo on it.

[@SWIRFTV]

where is the link to pre-order the GN chair?

[@bryanhovanec3471]

As a Physical Therapist who also likes to game, its amazing to see content creators emphasize the importance of keeping the body strong ALONG with proper positioning. This is why I love this channel

[@Sinsanatis]

well then, may i ask whats the best positioning for the arms and wrists? i hear that its good to have armrests line up with the table. also hear that armrest should be just that, RESTS. my right hand with the mouse is fine, but when it comes to the left hand for the kb, it gets a bit uncomfy as the kb is elevated no matter what and my wrist rests on the table. i think itd be ideal to have a shorter desk so instead of my arms being 90 degrees, its more like 95ish. but my table is too tall and my chair doesnt go high enough. but then at that point my feet dont touch the ground. so mainly i think i need a shorter table. ive been trying the seat lower and full arms up to elbows on the table but i dont think its that much better

[@bryanhovanec3471]

@@Sinsanatis You are basicly right. Back should be straight, arms resting on the arm rest without and pressure on the wrist/forearm on the table. Also keeping the wrist striaight as possible. Alot of the reading ive done actually has just the edge of the elbow on the rest and the majority of the arms are on the table

[@Sinsanatis]

@@bryanhovanec3471 to achieve straight arms i have to sit up really straight which i think i still need to work more on my back muscles to hold. back to more or less my old position i guess. still the main issues is my feet dont touch the ground, but i just kinda put my feet on the chair legs for that. then the other thing is that the kb still angles my left hand up and i rest my wrist on the table which i know isnt ideal, but keeping my wrist up for extended gaming sessions would be uncomfortable

[@bryanhovanec3471]

@@Sinsanatis i also have the same issues, i tend to slouch while at the chair. And def dont have your wrist ext this can cause the extra pressure that will lead to carpel tunnel

[@Sinsanatis]

@@bryanhovanec3471 alright, thanks for all the input off hours lol xD

[@W1nDs0R]

Herman Miller Aeron = GOAT. Used to get so much back pain working from home + gaming, that doesn't happen anymore. Bought a used one for £300, cheaper than most gaming chairs and after nearly three years of use it's still in great condition, despite buying it used.

[@danrux6282]

For me the thing that pushed the Aeron chair over the top was the 12 year warranty. I am a fairly large dude at 6'3" 260. I freaking destroy chairs. After buying two $400+ gaming chairs in the same year, and having one break and drop me on my back, I decided I would go back to what I sat in at the office. Primarily because I used it for 10 years without even thinking about it. The gaming chairs however were both initially comfortable, then felt like sitting on cement after about 2 months. The aeron chairs mesh is still holding up almost 2 years later and has not sagged despite my squatch like ass spending 50+ hours a week in it. Add the breathability of it in the summer, and the complete lack of "swamp ass", and I would take it every day of the week.

[@TopPickss4U]

This is exactly the type of review I needed thank you 1

[@Afilon]

As a subscriber to both, I love the balance between Linus who sells us shit we don't need and Steve who tells us not to buy shit we don't need.

[@nickd7935]

At least lttstore.com doesn't sell a stupid gaming chair. Linus may be a high pitched easily excitable sponsor boi, but at least he's a good and honest businessman that doesn't sell products he doesn't use himself. His “showcase” and sponsored videos are definitely getting close to shill territory, but he never says anything he doesn't fully believe, he just may not fully show *all* of the cons of the product in the sponsored video itself. A great example would be the 8k gaming video he did with the 3090. Everything he said was factually true, but iirc he just didn't make a comment on the price of the 3090. He definitely slammed it in his actual review of the card tho, so it's not like he will never say bad things about a product, he just usually won't say them in the sponsored content itself.

[@swapnilmankame]

@@nickd7935 this comment didn't age well

[@nickd7935]

@@swapnilmankame ..... no, no it did not. 😅

[@corypalmer915]

Me: *casually reading reviews on chairs* "awesome chair! 10 stars out of five" *next review* "DO NOT BUY THIS CHAIR SOOOO UNCOMFORTABLE"

[@ThatBlakeCampbell]

Really any product on Amazon.

[@corypalmer915]

@@ThatBlakeCampbell true

[@idkser2016]

go to a store and sit at the chair to be sure if you like it

[@ZacLaver2512]

@@idkser2016 I was going to say that.

[@corypalmer915]

@@idkser2016 too late i got the ergochair 2 it's pretty good

[@timeplustragedy9023]

One of my favorite GN videos! For years i used a metal folding chair that had lost it's back cushion and developed permanent scars on my back that make it look like I've been lashed. My partner lovingly calls them my "world of Warcraft battle scars"

[@VanFactor]

Thank you for the informative video. I have been using an office chair at Costco for years, was considering gaming chair but they all looked the same to me. Thanks for explanation lol. Makes me feel appreciative of what I have.

[@MeNoWorryYouNoWorry]

Should've hired Hitchcock and Scully to scrutinize these chairs. They're experts in that field.

[@ncochran01]

Nice Brooklyn 99 ref right there.

[@Goblinstomper24]

I hear Hitchcock once rode an office chair home in a blizzard.

[@joshuabilkenroth3249]

They would even do it for free if you give them food

[@intrusiveapparel]

Hahahaha your a goat for that comment

[@Voidals]

My surname is Hitchcock :)

[@Starscreamious]

28:03 "We shot everything before this point in about August of 2020 and then we just let it all *_sit_* ." - Steve "Pun Intended" Burke

[@GamersNexus]

I'll pretend it was intentional!

[@GewelReal]

@@GamersNexus That's what they always say

[@dirkbester9050]

I recommend adding a Vitrazza glass mat to your Aeron. The chair rolls really smoothly on it (get the special soft rubber wheels). The glass is more expensive up front but lasts vastly longer, and does not crumble after a few years, or dent like plastic mats.

[@francisconobrega4940]

I'm sitting in a wood dinning chair with 2 pillows(back and bottom) and I've been looking to buy an office chair for so long but couldn't decide. This video really gave me a perspective without trying any of the chairs.

[@Chris-hn2md]

"Gaming" is like when they use the word "Tactical" or "Military grade" in some Item's title. It's just wordplay and hot garbage.

[@thecoolguy9364]

Wish body armor: "2021 Military Grade 3A New Amazing Body Armor!" Then it's just aluminum armor...

[@tilburg8683]

Lmao I think my gigabyte motherboards talks about some military grade thing. I think it was alloys or something but it's been a while since I've seen the box.

[@davidlakatos9904]

@@thecoolguy9364 Did they lie though? Like “mil grade aluminum 6061” could mean, ,,yeah, our dinner trays are made out of Al 6061”. 😂 Even mil spec doesn’t guarantee quality, it simply means parts from different manufacturers are interchangable in said spec.

[@RezaQin]

And military grade is literally the cheapest materials they could get.

[@davidlakatos9904]

@kev063 I think most of them are paid for to use them during streams.

[@bndncn]

The armrests actually can travel through time at one second per second, and only in one direction.

[@radumirceabunica7492]

wanna guess the direction?

[@dogboy0912]

I'm sold.

[@a.andrei5826]

They are very useful though, "5D" should be the next thing for when you lean back, like changing the armrests angle against the seat's angle.

[@radumirceabunica7492]

@@a.andrei5826 when armrest angles (pitch) are not manually adjustable but change their angle synchronized to the seating area in certain ratios with the backrest (mine is 2:1, so for every 20degrees of tilt on my backrest, the armrests tilt back by 10degrees) they call it a synchro mechanism. but i guess 5d rolls off the tongue better so it could be marketed LOL

[@ryanpipkin]

The Aeron is, hands down, the best chair I have ever sat on. Not only does it offer sustained comfort and lack of fatigue over very long periods of sitting, but also it is insanely durable and maintains resale value forever. There are used Aerons on the market going for $600 today, that are 20+ years old. And they are just as good today, as they were when sold new.

[@bifm3651]

This is the biggest thing that most people don’t consider. You can sit in a Herman Miller or Steelcase chair for 8 hours straight and never experience fatigue/discomfort, meanwhile a cheaper knockoff of these you might start to experience it after a few hours, and garbage chairs you may notice it in under an hour or two. For most people, a cheaper dedicated office chair with a similar design to a HM/Steelcase around the $2-300 price will do solid for years. For a full time job…just bite the bullet and get the more expensive ergonomic options by the leaders..your body will thank you. Also, get some overstock/office close outs for half price versus buying new.

[@Arrivedearly]

I've worked at my company for 7 years now, and all the Aeron chairs that get daily use are still going strong. Dunno how long we had them prior to me working there, but that says a lot about the quality of the chairs

[@DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon]

I don't why anyone would think that saying "hands down" is a normal thing to do

[@evileyeball]

I actually don't mind my Secretlab chair, and its been more durable than the last three office chairs I owned... The most long lasting and best office chair I had came with my desk circa 2008 and only broke itself in 2014 so It lasted me 6 years. "Tony" was great, The second chair lasted 6 months, the 3rd chair an Identical copy of the 2nd lasted 3 years, Then The next chair was a hand me down from the wife which she had had for 2 years when I got it and it lasted me a year, so 4 office chairs in 11 years, and now the Secret lab which I have had for just over 1 year with no issues and comfortably sit in it for 37.5 hours a week at my work from home position.

[@defaultcamo4288]

I dont like my secret lab leather chair. its hard and unformfortable with long periods.. i did sit in my gfs secret lab cloth chair. The smaller model. Its way better.

[@dogboy0912]

Thank you Steve for finally bringing the truth. I've been saying this for years. Gaming chairs are styled like racing bucket seats which are originally meant to hold a driver in place, not be super comfortable. Trying to turn that same style into comfortable gaming chairs is like trying to reverse engineer a Ferrari into a minivan instead of just designing something for the intended purpose.

[@AlfaRomeoQ]

This 100%. Also, racing bucket seats are never made out of leather and have very little padding. It makes no sense to turn them into a comfy chair. They actually managed to make both a shitty computer chair AND a shitty racing seat. Truly a feat to behold.

[@Lambda_Ovine]

4D, it's uncomfortable up, down, left, right, front, back and over time.

[@sirwaffleburger9195]

"a more powerful gas lift for our american market, which they recommended by the way"

[@zengrath]

Haha, i actually didn't get that when i watched the video but now i do reading your comment.

[@redrock425]

It always amused me when the main difference between the American and Asian gamer was one would eat themself to death whilst the other would starve!

[@Penfolduk001]

To be fair, due to differences in food habits and some genetic factors, people of South East Asian and Indian sub-continent heritage would tend to be smaller and lighter than their North American and British counterparts. However they are catching up to the US and UK in heart disease and other obesity-related conditions, as economic prosperity increases and Western food options become more affordable and available.

[@vaderglenn]

I fucking crird when he said that, I was like god damn...

[@janus3555]

Well, no shit. Chinese men are at best, the height and weight of a 16 year old girl.

[@Mike.Muc.3.1415]

Anybody who has ever seen you on one of your downhill videos simply can not doubt your fitness. You are a monster on your bike. ;-)

[@SamCyanide]

I have a leather full back chair from the 90s, looks like a CEO/villain chair. Been using it for 20 years and it is still awesome, although the foam is wearing down a bit under the leather

[@submijiru]

They might want to rebrand these $250-350 mesh chairs as "high airflow" and double the price for gamers.

[@ktkace]

Add rechargeable rgb fans and ur gold!

[@Stoney3K]

Those manufacturers could just take a hint from car seat manufacturers, a lot of top-tier leather car seats actually have mesh seats and backs just for ventilation.

[@sydlou2020]

Funnily enough the most comfortable office chair I've sat in has to be this old leather office chair from the 90s my friend found in our college's furniture warehouse. Felt more like a La-Z-Boy than an actual office chair. Heavenly.

[@dsakurai]

Speaking of la-z boy, I have one, and I love it so much, except that it's too big for my desk

[@TarterSauce]

That's exactly what I've been trying to find with zero luck.

[@eneco3965]

@@YusefYandron They don't make them like they used to

[@YusefYandron]

@@BlueCheeseWheeze i actually take that back turns out i just needed to tighten the screws more

[@iloveeverything4380]

Wouldn't that just make u tired n not wanna work

[@shift8769]

Excellent review especially pointing out the differences between the chairs. I personally like a gaming chair because of the way the wings hug my upper body and legs. I have a Maxnomic that I've owned over 5 years that unfortunately is showing its wear. I would just like to replace the seat cushion and fix the arm rests and I think it would last another 5 years (the elastic head rest still hasn't drooped ;). Anyway, thank you for your insight. I've always thought the more expensive chairs were better quality and now that you've shown me that a $500 chair is the same as a $200ish chair. I'll buy that. I don't need a triple snake logo, I have lots of stickers 😆

[@lepakage2]

I love my Serta memory foam office chair. The arm rests are great. I'm not a massive individual but I had the chair for a few years with lots of use before the seat started feeling firm. My only issue is the lack of head support which is why I looked up this video!

[@Gatorade69]

Haha. That's the same chair I have too. It's good, though I need a small pillow for my back.

[@jesso2k6]

"This is a good chair." - Patrick The 2 month wait on my Ergochair 2 has been validated!

[@johngonzalez7052]

wow it took two months. I ordered mine bf and I got it in two weeks

[@jesso2k6]

@@johngonzalez7052 That's great! I was accused of shilling for Autonomous when I said that on their Facebook page because others had waited longer. Things have improved I guess

[@dstns]

@@jesso2k6 probably because autonomous is known pretty well for shilling/astroturfing their chairs

[@thedamntrain3467]

Ergochair 2 is apparently very overrated. Bad build quality and the design of the seat is HORRIBLE if you're taller than average since it kills the bloodflow in your legs. Check out some of the reviews that aren't full of shilling to get a better picture.

[@jesso2k6]

@@thedamntrain3467 well I have one so I don't actually need someone to tell me if I'm comfortable or if it's better than my Ikea Markus, I have my butt for that. The original comment about needing Patrick's validation was a joke.

[@lightofscorpio9396]

ah yes finally someone covering this

[@mephInc]

Jayz2cents did this a while ago...

[@fallen1102]

Linus has talked about this many times

[@Waldo1122]

@@fallen1102 Yet continues to accept sponsors by gaming chair companies and sits in those said uncomfortable gaming chairs.

[@fabriziolazo7102]

Many people have covered this topic before. But perhaps not with the same audience at GN.

[@JosePineda-jn8jk]

@@Waldo1122 lol how do you think these tubers make money? Ad revenue plays a part but they all have sponsors. Just have to take everything they say with a grain of salt (as we should do anyways)

[@tdrduarte]

Price variation is a problem. Here a decent gaming chair costs around 150US, but with the same amount you just can't buy something similar or better on the office chairs side, it's like, a bunch of offers from 90~100US, all of them very bad, just as bad as the gaming chairs and even less durable, bad soldering, thin tubular steel frames or even injected plastic, using the cheapest pistons rated for 100Kg max, and then you got decent-good stuff for 200US+... Our problem here is the pricegap and stores thinking that the "pandemic price is the new price, no turning back".

[@wrath231]

I'm noticing that here in Canada too.

[@christinaedwards5084]

That’s that global recession that started a year ago with the “transitory inflation “ Expect those prices to continue to rise. Pretty sure I saw Amazon fired 18,000 people the other day. Bad times ahead

[@FSAPOJake]

I bought a Staples Hyken in 2020 for $130 and it's basically just as comfortable as my $1000+ Aeron chair that my workplace gave me.

[@tdrduarte]

@@FSAPOJake Pretty cool, if that works for you, here similar chairs are more expensive, above 400USD plus the injected plastic rest...

[@BrianSmith-ct3kh]

The best decision I ever made was buying a used HON Ignition office chair from an office furniture store instead of trying to buy a "gaming" chair. It's so solidly made that it'll probably last for years and it's comfortable.

[@A.Froster]

Wait ? You actually made a full on fledge video about "gaming" chairs ? This is why i subbed , never disappointed

[@diewindows5628]

"The name of the factory might as well be ctrl C ctrl V" This man has no mercy.

[@KokoroKatsura]

it's called vendors

[@MrMastadox]

The irony is that the same goes for the autonomous and komene chairs. They are chinese rebrands all the same and can be bought forbway less under different brandnames.

[@MrMastadox]

@@GandaBaer ?

[@MrMastadox]

@@GandaBaer haven't bought one yet. I wanted to get a rebranded autonomous for 230 euro instead of the 370 euro autonomous is charging. Found the exact same chair. They are just not in stock due to china delivery problems. The reason i am not going for a kemeno or rebrand of the komene is because i often go all buddha in my chair and sit on it like a monk. Don't think mesh seats will endure that. But i saw a komene chair rebrand somewhere too. It was cheaper but not by much. So komene isn't ripping people off as much as autonomous is. They let their customers pay for their agressive marketing. What chair you should buy is up to you, your usecase, your size etc just do the research. But whatever you do. Do not buy the Autonomous . It comes out of the factory for 100 dollars. Then shipping, customs etc. The price should be just above 200 somewhere. Not the insane prices Autonomous asks for these china build plastic chairs. Take your time to look around. The newer komene chair isn't liked as much as the older version. Be mindful of that before you buy one.

[@bobbysup]

Great video! Finding the correct chair is extremely difficult and you can spend a ton of money before finding it

[@tonytbd6232]

Thank you - I need to replace the chair from work that was allowed to come home with me, it is over 12 years old now - you are right, gaming chairs kinda excel in the looks dept - but so glad bumped into your episode on chairs. I will say, at the time did not now what chair was setting in back in the 90's but now looking pretty sure was a Herman Miller, and yes once fiddled with controls over a few days - was in nirvana for a couple months on assignment. I will look into those other two mesh office chair suggestions. Anyway - so glad bumped into your channel, may prosperity follow you and your team. T

[@waynereibsome]

I’m sitting on a wooden chair with a blanket as the cushion. Any thing for me is an upgrade

[@JesusIsTheWay59]

😆

[@SirDella]

Mine was a 90 degree wooden chair, with 1cm of cushion, I preferred standing up

[@waynereibsome]

Iv bought a fifty dollar chair from Amazon since then but the only game I could stand up on I play is for honor, my desk is kinda low for standing

[@tropik5724]

that is prob better than a gaming chair lol

[@lordyhgm9266]

I upgraded to a pillow instead of a blanket

[@chevogliomai]

I could feel my gaming chair becoming more and more unconfortable by the minute

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Love the way you guys roasted gaming chairs with actual facts and sound logic. I almost made the mistake of purchasing the Secretlab Titan, but now I'm steering well clear of any nonsense gaming chairs. I've started looking into ergonomic office chairs, and I'm already invested in getting a Herman Miller or Steelcase chair.

[@doodlecaboodle9298]

Secretlab titans aren’t really equivalent to the chairs listed in this….

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

@@doodlecaboodle9298 Just because they're at the high-end of gaming chairs on the market, doesn't mean they're any better.

[@weirdo3116]

what's wrong with the Secret Lab chair? cause I'm sitting in my Auronomous Ergo 2 and it's uh pretty rough. like the entire chair feels like it's fight against my body when I'm sitting in it.

[@Anthonipa]

@@StardustLegacyFighter I have a secret lab titan and it's honestly really comfortable and has helped my posture a lot

[@Kirnale]

@@StardustLegacyFighter did U try it? I tried a bunch of low ends, midtier etc. And honestly only the secretlab felt comfy. Definitely different than low end ones.

[@kanrakucheese]

Thank you for the armrest pads recomendation. I got a nice office chair for way too cheap at a thrift store years ago, and it has been my daily driver since. Unfortunately the hard plastic arm rests began cracking, and they didn't appear to be replaceable. Not only has this simple part made the cracking a non-issue, they're way more comfortable than the plastic base ever was. Now if only there was some way to use a cheap part to solve the leaky elevator that needs to be reset ever few days.

[@VitorPh3nom]

Am i the only person who sees the name "gamer" attached to something and immediately think of low-quality overpriced products?

[@Edoneless]

You're not alone.

[@davidbrunner4413]

It's just like "military grade" or "mil-spec" or "tactical" and the airsofters, they go crazy for that shit...

[@GeneralNOH]

Nope. You're not alone, and you are correct. Aside from mice and high hz monitors i cant think of any "gaming" product id waste my money on. (And even then, theres a lot of low quality gaming mice floating around) Gaming keyboards? Mediocre and expensive, a few in corsairs lineup are the only "good" ones i know of, but more expensive than better keyboards. Whereas a non-gaming branded keyboard like Ducky, Das and PFU are excellent quality for a modest price Gaming headsets? Same shit. Cant think of a good one that isnt in excess of ~$350-$400 and even those ones are lackluster compared to studio headphones made by proper audio companies for $200 At the end of the day its unreasonable to expect a company that sells everything from headphones to chairs and gaming desks to be as good as a company that specialises in one specific product

[@Humstuck]

I agree pretty much. When its explicitely marketed as gaming, i have to look into it more. Some products are good enough and I buy them but yeah, its a red flag for me.

[@wbsees]

I immediately think of the Tim & Eric bit with the "I'm a gamer" intro.

[@jacobvriesema6633]

I did my engineering internship with Steelcase in their "task chair" group. I initially thought it was ridiculous that people paid $500-1,000 for Leap, Think, or Amia chairs. Then I started using them daily for hours on end, and I am completely amazed at how comfy they are. I personally sat in an Amia daily, and it was one of the most comfortable chairs I've ever used. I use a $500 Steelcase chair at home and I absolutely love it. I use it every day for several hours since 2011 (so 10+ years old as I type this) and it's still in immaculate shape and still comfy. It truly is worth hundreds of dollars for a decent task chair. I helped write test specs for these chairs and they're beat to shit in testing to simulate 25 years of abuse. Unless you're tossing your chair down stairwells, it will last a long and good life, and support your body well.

[@danielionanov5620]

Whats the chair you use

[@TheJTrilogy]

@Ensrick we stan the leap in this house

[@jfhdhiwdhwhsyffuso]

GOt a used leap v2, beat all the garbage gaming chair i used to have in my young

[@fkdonaldtrump7194]

@@jfhdhiwdhwhsyffuso are office chairs better then gaming chairs for gaming?

[@isaaccutlip5815]

@@jfhdhiwdhwhsyffuso yea are they better ?

[@circuitsandshortcuts]

I have a driver's seat out of a 90's Honda Civic mounted to an office chair base. Super comfortable for /hours/.

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

I did that with a a Volvo passenger (less wear) seat from a scrapyard. Sofa feeling in the office chair :D

[@sniperzdb09]

I had a volvo s60 and 96 civic seat for my sim rig, the civic seat is hard and not comfortable, the volvo seat was a supportive sofa, 10/10 will get another volbo seat

[@Xtoxinlolinecronomicon]

Hah, glad more people do this. Used an old volkswagen recaro seat and welded it on a chair steel frame. Still sits comfy.

[@logansnelbaker3252]

I was thinking about doing that

[@Seiti]

Sounds like a terrific chair to play driving simulators :)

[@joshuazientara4452]

Thank you for the depth of your testing.

[@christofsachs797]

I had a DX racer gaming chair for 3 years, and I was wondering why I always had back pain. I even used multiple cushions to make the sitting area kinda bearable. Then I bought a Herman Miller Embody for $1200, when I told people about it, they looked at me like I am insane. Used this chair now for 2 years and I can honestly say, it was worth every single penny. Back pain is non-existent anymore, if I want to I can sit in the chair all-day long. Never again a gaming chair. Every time someone shows me proudly their gaming chair ... well I am not impressed.

[@dimistepa]

I love how he finishes saying that getting your core stronger will do more for your posture and health in general then expensive chairs.

[@diamondarrow4567]

Me waiting for the noise normalized thermal tests

[@Ikxi]

That one chair was really squeaky

[@hardlyworgen71]

That sounds like a fart joke.

[@eliezerortizlevante1122]

Gaming chairs are about 61C Office chairs are 31C or less cuz watercooled cushions

[@CDReimer]

Before or after Taco Bell?

[@CaveyMoth]

I recommend a chair with a mesh bottom.

[@Alfenium]

Thank you for the personal fitness segment. Basic core and back strength really help build and maintain good posture.