DON'T BUY AN EV is what I told this customer!

[@alancobbin]

Finally we have an EV dealer who won’t Sell you a car you don’t need,10/10 fella Your advice sounded 100% correct 👍

[@marvinsamuels1237]

Not just an EV seller, but any sort of car seller; too many will try to sell you the one that suits them most rather than the customer.

[@michaelgoode9555]

Careful now. You'll be giving used car dealers a good name.

[@geriatricprogrammer4364]

Even worse he will be cancelled, what ever that means.

[@judebrown4103]

We bought an Ioniq 38kWh with no home charging in the hopes and promise that the council would put in some 7kW chargers nearby. We installed Zapmap and found out we have an abundance of CCS chargers near to our village so we acquired subscriptions to the various companies. Ultimately we use the BPPulse at the new Premier Inn five minutes away, had the first six months free then a discounted rate subsequently. We shop at the neighbouring Aldi while it charges or if we're shopping at Tesco we charge there on the fast chargers in the local or rapids at the big shop further away. Sometimes we use a mixture of both, we're really quite lucky to live in a Kentish village but have such an abundance of charging facilities and if all else fails there's a set of about eight or ten MFG chargers ten minutes down the dual carriageway. The local council still hasn't put in the promised chargers in the village hall car park so i need to give them another prod I think. 👍

[@Stiggy767]

I agree with you. I’ve had a few EVs now, and whenever people ask about getting an EV I ask “Can you charge at home?” If not, you will lose convenient and economic charging.

[@steve_787]

The battery lease was partly why we sold our 2016 Zoe. I began to work from home and we found that between MOT's the Zoe had only done 1900mi as we then started to use our ZS ev a lot more. Paying £50pm didn't seem overly worth given how few miles we were doing. We sold the Zoe about 9 months ago and only been a couple of times we've needed to have 2 cars, and when that cropped up and there was no way around it, I just hired a Polestar 2 for a business trip. If we did more miles then maybe it would have been worth keeping the Zoe, but even then, the last SH check was 96-97% (30k miles on the clock) so the battery lease for "peace of mind" wasn't overly worth it IMO.

[@marktoby8113]

Fair play. You did absolutely the right thing, I don't think anyone could fault your honesty there.

[@richfixescars]

I think you did the right thing, without home or work charging, even a 3 pin granny charger, then it's not suitable at the moment.

[@salibaba]

I’d beg to differ on the 3 pin, if the mileage is low enough it wouldn’t usually be an issue, they just have literally no convenient viable way to own one. I’ve got to admit I’ve told loads of folks I work with the same thing. It’s not for you yet but it might be soon. One guy at work asked nicely and his landlord approved him to have an EVSE fitted. He even qualified for an OZEV grant towards it still because he was a renter.

[@ianlove3]

Well done young man for not selling to someone with no way of charging.

[@stephenclay6852]

I admire your honesty. When people talk to me about buying an Ev. My advice is always can you charge at home or workplace because although the network is getting better it’s expensive. I only use the network as a last resort even when on holiday stopping in lodges or cottages I use the 3 pin plug while there.

[@tubaman66]

Assume you let the lodge/cottage owners know that you will be charging your car as I doubt they have all budgeted for that amount of electricity use in the rental cost?

[@elliottquinton2084]

@@tubaman66I assume you’re one of those that rent out one of these places.. get over it

[@tubaman66]

@@elliottquinton2084 Your assumption is completely wrong. I just think it's not acceptable that people think it's fine to expect the owners of such places to pay for their motoring costs. Clearly you think it's ok?

[@markreed9853]

Yes, while I have no home charging option at my rented flat and have at least 8 charging locations within 5 miles of my home, I have now bought an EV because I can now charge at work. Its costing me around 10p per mile, so not the cheapest but it works for me.

[@ModernHeroes]

Workplace charging and destination charging in general is so valuable yet often overlooked

[@markreed9853]

@@ModernHeroes yes, as even at 42p per kilowatt on the private Pod Point chargers at work, it works out cheaper than my old car was for fuel. I also have the Zoe ZE50GT and for my use case I only have to charge once every two weeks.😁

[@andrewdyson4255]

Spot on, I think you have the right attitude and it’s a pity there aren’t more out there like you. Why sell something that is not suitable you will just ruin your reputation. I wish you well in your venture

[@PJWey]

Destination charging is where government inaction is a clear indication of either a lack of desire to make the transition real or a lack of commitment or both.

[@ModernHeroes]

Absolutely - although the obsession of the public with rapid charging and charging times, fixated on replicating the “petrol pump” experience doesn’t help with this

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Gary - I salute you, sir...! 😎 You absolutely did the right thing in NOT recommending she buy your Zoe ZE40. And, I feel sure she would've appreciated your honesty and candidness in doing so. Good for building your reputation, too - which is no bad thing, for sure...! Interestingly, though, there probably WAS a car you could've morally recommended to her - the fabulous BMW i3 Range Extender, which (worryingly, since I bought mine at £16k... 😭) can now be had for significantly less than £10k. 70-80 miles of EV-only range for the times she was able to find a charger and the security of the Rex engine as back-up for the times she couldn't.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

Honda jazz comes as an auto at reasonable prices . Source - i have relatives who bought those s/h. I think you were spot on with your advice. Ive been driving an EV since 2017 and wouldn't go back but i think few newbies would want the hassle or small lifestyle changes. For example if I couldn't charge at home theres a tesla SC 10 min away i could park up and read for 45 min once a week but thats pretty rare. i choose tesla because their prices are substantially lower than equivalent petrol and despite most anti EVers saying its ridiculous to wait that long i bet you if there was a petrol station with half price petrol theyd happily queue for hours. Just look at the queues at a Costco who are only 10p a litre cheaper

[@bellshooter]

Absolutely right to put the customer front and centre. Maybe if you had the customer home address you could have scanned for a realistic solution (perhaps you did?) I am currently unable to access my home charger, but have multiple local solutions, my choice is Pod Point at Lidl, my supermarket of choice. Current price of 65p is due to drop soon as Lidle install their own chargers, but even so this is 18p per mile, about the same as 35mpg.

[@mattblackledge9068]

Subscribed after watching you on Joe's podcast. This is a really informative video and well presented. 👌

[@ModernHeroes]

Thank you!

[@fire_stick]

@9:53 😬 I liked the studio setup 👍 Always best to be honest especially in sales which i find to be rare, bravo 🙌

[@mikeselectricstuff]

So stupid for Renault to sell a car with no rapid charging - it's a minimal manufacturing cost to include

[@steve-zschannel2729]

Before I got my EV I did a lot of investigation re public charging, downloading lots of apps like Zapmap, Podpoint et al and checked out exactly what my options were in my locality, it didn't take me long to realise that having an EV was a viable proposition, that was almost 3 years ago and let's face it there are a lot more public chargers around now than back then, yes AC charging without the DC rapid option makes things more difficult but anyone who is only able to afford a budget EV should be keeping clear of rapids on cost grounds anyway, I only ever use rapids on an annual holiday road trip and generally stick with 7kW, if your potential customer took the time to do what I did almost 3 years ago she might reach the same conclusion that I did and went the EV route.

[@benday1218]

Nice studio set-up!

[@ModernHeroes]

Thank you! Bit of a work in progress but it’s definitely moving in the right direction!

[@peteygti1]

​@@ModernHeroesneeds a big logo on the right hand side 😊

[@ModernHeroes]

@@peteygti1 might be a screen going there 👀 watch this space.

[@mk1photography62]

Its good advice so fair play to you for being honest

[@briangriffiths114]

Yes you did the right thing, and the Suzuki Swift recommendation just added further value to this.

[@bill_heywood]

It is great that you gave that buyer your best advice, rather than just trying to sell her a car you didn’t believe would work for her. If she does have a £10k budget, then you can get a 2020 Zoe R110 with a 52kWh and DC charging for under that amount. That’s a vehicle that would work for someone without home charging unless there were no DC chargers nearby at all. But if your budget is closer to £5k then it will be a struggle. The last combustion car I bought (and will ever buy) was an automatic Peugeot 207SW and I only paid £950 for it, great little car in excellent condition. Had a look on Autotrader, 2012 (62 plate) with 55k miles, £3395. Private sale, so you could probably get it for less

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

I did similar, friends of ours asked for advice getting an ev and i advised them not to as no parking at home, nor any public chargers close. Shame but its the right advice. If they still want to go ahead thats their call..

[@kez2164]

Generally agree with your approach, but just wondering if you checked whether there were any co-chargers nearby. They don't appear on Zapmap, but are a 'hidden network' of local neighbourhood chargers for people who don't think they have any local chargers.

[@garrycroft4215]

Gary you did the right thing. I managed public charging for 3 years with an i3s. This was fine until June 2021 when the cost of 50kW rapids rocketed from the 12p kWh I was paying bp pulse. 79p is more expensive than petrol. So my advice is if you can’t charge at home,work etc then don’t buy an EV. Now I have got around the problem with an extension lead and a granny charger, plus Octopus Agile. I’m now paying on average 12p kWh including my apartment for electricity. So I’ve gone full circle to pre 2021 @ 4p per mile. Here is my monthly bill.. Breakdown by rate Rate Consumption Cost 11.72p/kWh 338.6 kWh £39.67 Total consumption 338.6kWh @ 11.72p/kWh+ £39.67 Standing Charge 31 days @ 46.78p/day £14.50 Subtotal of charges before VAT £54.17 VAT @5.00% £2.71 Total Electricity Charges £56.88

[@Brinslade]

Totally agree. Selling an EV to a customer who will strruggle to charge would be a mistake, as it would affect your image and the create a disgruntled owner who could then be anti EV. Great hear common sense being applied to a situation where the customer's needs and predicament is being listen to and understood. As you have said many times, charging is not something you do daily; I charge once every 10 days on average. Therefore, local authorities and building owners don't have to place chargers in every bay, just a charging area assigned that can be booked out if needed. IN the UK drive to get things ready for EV seems to have been mostly for Rapid charging, where to be honest, the UK has been paying far higher prices than other countries per KW. Where I live in Hong Kong the charging network is mostly fast 22 or 7KW charging in carparks, and some street parking. Most people live in apartment blocks, so management companies have installed EV charge points in those parking areas. Also, we have a brilliant public transport system, so many people use buses, trains, trams and light rail, too. We only got an EV as we moved to a small village that was not served by main transport links. Sales people here were trying to get me to buy a large battery EV, when actually I only needed about a 40kwh battery. I didn't buy from them and stuck the advice I have glean from people like you to get vehicle to suit my needs . So, thanks for all your advice.

[@ObiePaddles]

Well done. Your market is the first time without a big budget. If you’d sold it to them they would have been disappointed within 6 months and all their friends would ‘know’ EVs dont work. Potentially offer a 2 week trial that they pay a rental for if they don’t go ahead.

[@MrWobling]

A surprising number of councils can be lobbied to install chargers now - they just want to know where to put them where they will get used. Maybe say "here's how to lobby your council, so next time you are in the market for a car, you can viably make it an EV"?

[@Nagby3]

maybe not considered for another reason, but there is a car that's around 10k and has CCS : vw e-up 2.0 / skoda citigo ev / seat mii electric

[@SnazzBot]

I have a 22 kilowatt on a lease and now I am worried :( It was a nightmare getting the least moved over to me and I'm sure it'll be worse when I sell it.

[@PNH750]

My Zoe only had one of its two front ports connected to the system. Perhaps it was the last of that version.

[@tivvy-xf4kz]

When they get small hatchbacks with fast charging it might be an option and be more like visiting a petrol station once a week. A supermarket or similar has been suggested but they don't allow a long time to park as these older cars take some time to charge. Yes they are starting to appear but ,in this case, the budget rules them out. Not everyone needs or does a high mileage so it may take a special journey to get to a charger. Outside urban areas there are still charger deserts. In my opinion you were correct in advising against an ev in this case. I'm sure you checked out zapmap but the options were not suitable for this customer. Well done.

[@stanwoltynski4153]

Do the CCS convertors that seem to be popping up work?

[@ModernHeroes]

Those would be for charging a Chademo car from a CCS charger - no use to a Zoe - but I think they do. May have some more insight into this fairly shortly 👀

[@stanwoltynski4153]

I’ve been thinking of buying 62kw Nissan Leaf so the CCS converter would make a difference to me as the latest leaf ain’t too bad. Thankyou

[@ModernHeroes]

Definitely keep an eye out for some videos from me towards the middle of next month!

[@firebreafdragon]

@@ModernHeroesI wouldn’t suggest dealing with those adaptors. Pretty sure they’re against the t&cs for the charge networks as well. It would only need one to go bang to be a massive liability issue.

[@firebreafdragon]

We need an adaptor with the proper interlocks and a metric ton of safety certifications to avoid the liability I think

[@stephenwensley]

Probably the right advice for them, but I do count 25 sites on zap map with 22kW AC in the Gloucester and Cheltenham area. So it could be done if they were prepared to put the effort in. E.g. part at Gloucester quay and walk into the centre, or shop at Tesco in Cheltenham etc.

[@ModernHeroes]

They weren’t local. I think you’re massively underestimating how much effort that actually is to someone that just wants transport and isn’t an EV enthusiast though.

[@markrhodes3983]

Well done you definitely did the right thing.

[@dandandan389]

Totally the right thing to do, you won't have any issues selling that car when the right use case comes along

[@ModernHeroes]

Already sold to someone it’ll suit perfectly!

[@jasoncutler8138]

I saw a 2019 Zoe for sale in Somerset last week 9000 miles under 6000 pounds,

[@ModernHeroes]

Battery lease surely at that kind of money.

[@Hali88]

@@ModernHeroes were they still selling battery lease in 2019? Maybe he's missed a zero and it's actually done 90,000miles!

[@ModernHeroes]

@@Hali88 yes, the ZE50 which did away with battery lease was 2020-on.

[@PNH750]

In 2020 I purchased a 3 month old Zoe EV for £5 grand less than the new price. I thought that I had got a bargain. BIG Mistake as it did not come with any form of charger. Plus later on I discovered that despite having the 'Fast Charge' port it was not connected up internally to the car's system. A 3-phase home Fast Charger was £2,000, the car connection for this was £900 and in the meantime I had to rely on a £200 mains charger which took 23 hours to refill a flat battery. I then discovered that commercial fast charging was not really any cheaper than petrol. Plus it took nearly an hour to get 50 miles of juice whereas 5 minutes at a petrol station got a 100 miles. I sold the Zoe on after 12 months and lost £5,000 on a car with just 2000 miles of use.

[@ModernHeroes]

Confused - 22kW AC charging is standard on all Zoes, with no additional equipment needed apart from a 3 phase Type 2 EVSE. Most people wouldn’t use this at home though, charging at 7kW single phase instead. DC charging was an optional extra on the ZE50 and it’s either fitted when new or it isn’t?

[@salibaba]

Well done practicing what you preach and sticking to your morals. Apart from anything else what would be the point of getting into a whole heap of bother selling a totally unfit for purpose to a customer who would end up being a nightmare returning it a few weeks later. Not to mention, if and when the time is right they may turn to you or recommend you to a friend.

[@PhineasPhlob]

Your 'check engine' light is on!

[@daniellenaerts5750]

A battery swapping routine would have been a valid option? in my opinion more brand should consider the battery swapping routine in future designs of either EV or Hybrid.

[@DarrenWhittington]

As some commenters have mentioned, just buying an EV anticipating local councils will install more charging infrastructure is a big pipe dream. And public charging is usually still a complete rip off. I live on a terraced street with a small front enclosure and a pavement. Currently one of my daughters has a disabled badge (she is now getting better) but was able to get a disabled spot outside the front of the house, so have a 7 kW/h charger on inside of front wall and can charge fine safely protecting the cable . That said, if it was not there I guess I would be able to charge at lease once a week. Also I have a open Tesla supercharger within a mile of my house that can be used in emergencies, but would not condone continual usage as its not great for the battery 100% of the time. If there is zero chance you could charge outside your house, its a complete no go.

[@malcolmfowler8972]

Did you check whether there were any nearby home charger sharing options such as Zap Home, Co-Charger, Joosup. etc?

[@colinblick8946]

Yes I thought you were quite right in dissuading the client with her situation…….im a petrol head but love EV’s….as well…… at the moment they don’t suit everyone…..as you pointed out 😎👌🏽

[@ziploc2000]

Four reasons I bought a used EV: cost, convenience, comfort and cleanliness. If I could not charge cheaply at home, the first two are gone.

[@colinrobinson7869]

If there was a sport in the Olympics for used car sales you would get Gold ++

[@nadeemahmed324]

You were probably right in the advise you gave that lady. But there are options for people who want an EV for less than 10k with CCS charging. 1st gen ioniq is a great choice.. then there are the Up, Mii, soda etc and BMW i3, e208, Corsa e, vw golf.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Obviously the ZE50 can use CCS charging it has a good range but I'm with you, if the customer isn't sure then that's a deal breaker for me. If in doubt, chicken out

[@35014]

You must be right despite me being an EV fan. Selling her the Zoe could well have put her off EVs for ever, but as range and charging options improve an EV could well prove right for her. Hopefully she will then buy one from you!

[@gavjlewis]

Realistically she needed a ZE50. Plenty in her budget with low mileage.

[@ModernHeroes]

An extra £2000 upfront reduces the charging time sure, doesn’t really make it much less of a chore if you’re always having to public charge though.

[@gavjlewis]

​@@ModernHeroes Well yes still a pain not having home charging but popping via a rapid once a week while out and about isn't so bad (in comparison).

[@Lewis_Standing]

Nahh you can't sell them a car that won't work for them. You'll just create someone who hates their car and tells their friends they are useless. I got 60mpg out of my "dual jet" 1L swift, so their mild hybrid should do that too, it's not a bad option for a relatively fuel efficient vehicle.

[@barryrathbone]

I can’t charge at home/work but I’m lucky my Mokka is CCS so use Tesla(35p) or EVPoint 49p is ok

[@rajgopee1245]

I disagree. I got my Kona but was a bit cautious with all this stuff online about home charging. I'm glad I never listened as charging hassnt really been an issue. I live in the South and chargers are numerous. I suppose it depends on where you live!

[@newty8150]

Yeah, I would (and do give the same advice). She’d have to be very pro EV like us to go for it. I’d make it work personally and wouldn’t have an issue. It’s different though when you’re a time served eV’er isn’t it. The cost of ice small automatics is crazy in comparison. I’ve got a 2008 Jazz auto that’s £5695. And it’ll sell 🙈

[@ModernHeroes]

I think that’s the difference - some of the comments here saying it’d be workable are from people fully committed to making the switch, not just looking for transport!

[@hansj5846]

We bought an EV a couple weeks back and our charger will be installed in september. We can obviously handle that for a few weeks but it's really annoying. It also drastically reduces range as I cannot be bothered to charge to 100% on a public charger. Takes forever 😂 We absolutely love the car btw, e-208 2022.

[@trevorleeming4139]

Of course you did the right thing😊 I have a Renault kangoo ZE . still literally as good as new with only 27k miles on it.... Got any advice on how to sell it and how much for? By the way, it has 77% battery health. Keep coming with those videos! 😊 Regards Trevor

[@trevorleeming4139]

Forgot to mention that it's a 2014. 😮

[@ModernHeroes]

77% SoH seems quite low, is that verified by Renault? CanZE is a bit shonky on the Kangoo. I sold my 2013 Kangoo on eBay - didn’t get particularly strong money for it though. There are quite a lot of the newer 33kWh model around for not very much at the moment.

[@trevorleeming4139]

It was clevelys the checked it when they serviced it.

[@salibaba]

Was that a gentle hint to offer for sale? 😂😂

[@trevorleeming4139]

Maybe? Who's asking? 😂

[@klippe]

bmw i3 would possibly have been perfect with the range extender

[@contra_plano]

My 10 years old is still good .. the air compressor not

[@rickyjulian496]

No way to home charge (or work charge) or wanting to buy an ev to save money I would say a lower range (under 200 miles) EV isn't for you...

[@markthomasson5077]

A Seat Mii would have suited her?

[@ModernHeroes]

Not sure the petrol one comes in automatic flavour does it? I don’t see how an electric one would be much more suitable apart from charging a little faster thanks to the inclusion of DC charging.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

The only correct advice to any customer is not to buy an EV.

[@sgsuper1150]

Dont buy a car if you leave it on the road. We all should be able to use the roads without people blocking them with parked cars

[@ModernHeroes]

Meanwhile, back in the real world….

[@sgsuper1150]

@@ModernHeroes People dont understand 80% of road parking is illegal and uninsured as a result. Your in that 80%

[@ModernHeroes]

@@sgsuper1150 I have a large driveway I park my cars on, cheers.

[@PhineasPhlob]

@@sgsuper1150 Three incorrect statements, one spelling mistake and two grammatical errors in just two short sentences. Good work, sir.

[@computerbob06]

Gary. Yes I do think you were wrong. A hybrid is still a petrol car of course and therefore, crap for the environment (relatively speaking) and that lease deal - even though it's low, will just cost her money. £1800 a year for however many years. The reason I say this, is did you consider the Ioniq 28kwh at all? You could even offer a service where you would source a car for someone (especially like this lady) and earn yourself a few hundred quid for doing so!? There are 38kwh Ioniq's available on Auto Trader for under £10k but they seem to be high milers and of course, they only charge at +/- 50kw and have those strange haptic buttons. There's a 2018 28kwh version on Auto Trader for sub £9k that's only done 47k miles, should still do at least 130 miles in summer and will charge very quickly on a 100kw+ charger as it'll take 77kw on an okay curve! No haptic buttons and lots of standard equipment should do her fine!? I also cannot charge at home at the moment but that is partly why I bought a 64kwh E-Niro! With an obtainable 280 mile range in summer I only have to charge it to 70% (the BMS kicks it slower at 73%) once every 2 weeks and road tripping is easy! You just have to consider where the local chargers are and what price they are. I have a rapid charger near me that's only 40p/kwh but it only runs at 40kw and is on an industrial estate! Tesco is 300 metres from me which is upto 49p/kwh and my local council charges 56p/kwh - which is around the same cost as it would be to fuel my old diesel Golf! When I road tripped the car on holiday recently I just joined Tesla and charged at 35p/kwh - so a saving on the Golf somewhat! There's always the free chargers at Aldi (1.5 hours max I believe) and Co-op! The lady could even ask around her local area to see if there's anyone that has PV on their roof that wouldn't mind charging her car in the day at a price a lot higher than they would get offloading it to the grid! There's always ways and means! Of course with the Zoe's there's always the 43kw AC cars and I think the older Gridserve chargers offer that on the motorway so road tripping shouldn't be too much of a problem! I do think that if you offered that service of finding cars, for when you haven't got cars in stock, you could just be the go between, between the buyer and dealer/seller! You could beat down the dealer but then the contract would be between the buyer (your client) and the dealer, absolving(?) you of any responsibility over the car!?

[@Hali88]

£9k is almost double the price of the Zoe the potential customer was enquiring about. She probably doesn't have a £9k budget if she's interested in £4.7k cars. Yes leasing seems more expensive than owning, but remember, they usually include insurance (saving £300-£1000 per year) and servicing (another £250-£600 per year). Gary's advice seems sensible to me.

[@ModernHeroes]

It was a £7495 Zoe ZE40 they were enquiring about (which is now sold). I think we need to consider the distinction between someone that will put up with the challenges running an EV solely on public charging brings because they’re enthusiastic about making the switch rather than someone just looking for transport. Very different mindsets with very different needs.

[@mattthomas6734]

We can’t charge at home and don’t drive to work. But we’re in Scotland, so have the Chargeplace Scotland network. Each week will be a few hours on a destination charger at the leisure centre, and/or where my wife is doing a part time course, or where we park when we drive into town. Sometimes they aren’t available and the backstop is we’ll take it to a destination charger about 10 minutes walk away. All currently charged at 45p/kWh. The walkable chargers arrived recently while we got the car in 2022, they are an improvement as previously we’d sit on a rapid for half an hour. Any longer journey is filled in with supercharging. Our major factor is that we are 2 parents and 1 (pre-school) child. If the ratio was the other way round then the everyday adaptations, which are getting easier, might well be insurmountable logistical hurdles instead.

[@Rexbilly9819]

Hyundai Ioniq less than £10K. CCS and super efficient.

[@ModernHeroes]

Faster charging doesn’t make the problem go away though, just makes an inconvenience slightly less inconvenient. Theres a huge difference between someone that wants to make the switch because they’re enthusiastic about doing so and someone who just wants transport.

[@Jimages_uk]

The facts are, EV's are not suitable for everyone, and this is a bit of why I'm not sure the complete ban on ICE cars should be implemented. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see an end to them, but there are some cases where they will never be able to easily run an EV. I fit into that category of not doing enough miles to justify owning one yet, but I am moving to one on my next purchase, and I will be buying with my heart instead of my head. I have the off road parking, so easy charging, but currently, I spend about £40 a month on fuel, apart from the 5 times a year, I do longish journeys where that is doubled. 600 miles as a round trip. I will lose money owning an EV at a faster rate than an ICE car, but I want one. I am still in two minds about what to buy, a newish i3 or a model 3. The first would be the more sensible choice, but I have driven both, and did like the Tesla more. I 100% think your advice was right for this customer.

[@mattthomas6734]

I’d say get an older Tesla, lose less money, get indicator stalks (my preference) and it makes it a complete doddle planning or doing unplanned long journeys those few times a year.

[@Jimages_uk]

@@mattthomas6734 that is almost certainly what I will do, their prices are getting to be very good value for money

[@liverpoolfan5034]

Where are you based please?

[@ModernHeroes]

Gloucester, but happy to arrange nationwide delivery.

[@dantebg100]

You can get a real car for that money. Just get Renault Clio or Dacia sandero, Skoda fabia....

[@ModernHeroes]

Yeah there are plenty of old fashioned cars around - automatics command a premium though like I said.

[@dantebg100]

For 5k You can buy good manual car or bad automatic. Just learn how to drive or be ready to pay more.

[@ModernHeroes]

@@dantebg100 a good manual car no use to my buyer who needed an automatic for health reasons 🤷‍♂️