I BOUGHT A 188,000 MILE ELECTRIC VAN!

[@jarthurs]

If the air-conditioning feels a bit feeble check the cabin filter. When I got our Leaf the cabin filter had never been changed in five years and it was like a growbag.

[@ModernHeroes]

Changed one on a car with full service history a few weeks ago that was similar!

[@stephenclay6852]

Great video. Nice to see some videos looking at older Ev’s to see just how well they fair over time and with huge mileage that most people would never put on there cars. So please give us updates on the SOH on the battery which is the big one with this vehicle. Was there any service history with the van and of course how much did you pay for it.

[@rickyjulian496]

Sadly getting the very expensive van tax next year... At 188000 miles its saved 18840 litres of diesel from being burnt in towns and cities. Thats a rather large fire if you was to ignite it in one go.. i do believe the same amount of fire to manufacture 10 ice vehicles. People seem to forget an ice vehicle doesnt apoear out of thin air.

[@ModernHeroes]

Yeah blindly applying the same rate of VED to all electric vans is a typically wise move from government. Makes stuff like my old Kangoo ZE completely unviable

[@barryrathbone]

Love it! Taking the car for a walk! When I worked at a car sales I pleaded with the boss to lend me an old Vauxhall Omega ( yes it was a long time ago!) that had 397k on it. I ran it for about 3 months and handed it back at 402k! Never missed a beat either. The Nissan van will definitely be an interesting option to keep. Currently at Tesla open to all charger and I’m all alone! Thank you Tesla!

[@adrianupnorth]

Its an interesting vehicle. I'm just getting rid of two ENV200s 2020's and they are still a great option. Scotland has much better Chadmo coverage. Definitely worth a punt for low mileage punters

[@a.mgaming3418]

I own a December 2020 (refreshed with black trim heat pump etc) Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD, got it for an absolute steal of a deal at £18K a few weeks ago with 80K miles. Tesla warrant the battery and motors for 8 years / 120K miles so not worried at all and to be honest the car will easily pass as one with half the milage. Nothing seems worn or old and the car feels solid while driving and everything works exactly as it should. Has changed my opinion on EV's for the better!

[@michaelgoode9555]

Once we get a proper health check and you've settled a few of the more important issues I'd be interested to see how it performs and what sort of value it now holds. A friend of mine is looking for something just like this for his low use retirement. Perfect for carrying around his recumbent trike, visiting the garden centre or DIY shop and just cheap motoring for when he needs to go somewhere. On our recent trip north to Orkney every charging place we stopped at (mostly not to charge I might add) had some Chademo facilities. If you own a chademo-equipped vehicle you just need to know where these places are. Applegreen, Gridserve, BP and ChargePlace Scotland seemed to be sorted but obviously, Tesla was not.

[@FamilyMorcChannel]

Great video, looking forward to the updates.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Maybe the previous usage was all local hence higher GOM

[@brendanoreilly4846]

Very interesting video about high mileage evs

[@R08Tam]

I had an early Leaf and learned never to trust the GOM. My MG5 GOM is a little pessimistic which is preferable.

[@barronsclose]

A great little van which will be perfect for short local trips.. I’m sure the range will be better.. look forward to seeing the state of the battery 🔋

[@matthewwakeham2206]

I'm currenly looking out for a budget ev van. You don't see many being retailed. I only do short trips and want to use it to move my electric trike around rather than a trailer which is quite literally a drag. 50 mile range would be ample for me. I'd be interested to see how many of the important bits are broken on this van.

[@josephmwilliams6754]

Great purchase as a general purpose runabout. Doing 25 miles a day , you will only need to charge every 3 or 4 days

[@gavinmoore8024]

Great video! Definitely plenty of life left in that van for the right person 👍👍

[@Whereswally606]

I imagine used to transport bloods and transplant organs. Got a similar 2014 env200 with a 40kwh battery swap converted into a camper come day van.£650 for a ccs adaptor direct these days too. Its a very useful van. The gom is shit though totally useless below 10%. These vans are crying out for a bigger battery upgrade to more than 40kwh preferably with proper liquid cooling

[@markthomasson5077]

Tell us more about your CCS please

[@GordonHudson]

My daughter lives in Greenock. One of the hotels is getting 4 dual CCS/CHADEMO units and the shopping area is getting 5. That's completely new installs. There must be money in it as they are both private charging companies, not CPS.

[@ModernHeroes]

Pretty interesting dynamic in Scotland - CPS at least historically has discouraged private investment due to the free/very low prices but I guess that’s all changing!

[@GordonHudson]

@@ModernHeroes Greenock had no real charging. I think the nearest rapid was Port Glasgow. Its 70 miles from Edinburgh so it was just doable on one charge of my 40kwhr Leaf in the summer, but I changed to the 62 when the PCP was up. If there had been charging in Greenock I would have stuck with the 40 as it was cheaper per mile to run.

[@garrycroft4215]

The new Osprey hub in Preston has 10 x Kempower units all have CCS & CHAdeMO connectors. So new ones are still going in.

[@ModernHeroes]

Absolutely - some networks are doing it right.

[@dougowt]

I'll be interested to see how this goes. Nissan have lost their way on EVs more recently, but the old Leafs and eNVs seem to be pretty reliable as long as you don't need a better range/charge speed. I have had a few Zoes (and a Kangoo ZE) and it was disappointing to see the 43kW AC chargers getting replaced with untethered 22kW chargers, if anything at all. My current EV is an 85D Model S, currently showing 264,000 and still a great drive. Free supercharging means trips to southern Italy are low cost, as was my trip to Dortmund a couple of weeks ago. Looking forward to seeing how the eNV stacks up after you've had a closer look.

[@ModernHeroes]

Bigger disappointment are the 22kW chargers that only deliver 7 or 11 (hey Gridserve 👋) - a recent journey from Glasgow to Gloucester in a Zoe ZE40 highlighted this.

[@kevinlorryman781]

Look forward to your analysis of the van going forward. 188000 miles most diesels would have cost a fortune in service/repairs/diesel etc and i know per mile to now this would be 20% of those costs so saved a fortune.

[@marks-0-0]

I wanted an enV200 but didnt take the plunge because of the battery degradation risk and the limited Chademo charges.

[@tonydonohue2727]

How much did it cost?

[@redjohn20001]

I have a recollection from old Leaf youtube videos that when the vehicle indicates zero charge that Leafspy indicated 10 % charge was still available.

[@johnmerritt9664]

There is now a Chademo to CCS Adapter available for about £700.

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

The env200 is a great little van.. I had the 24kwh version for 4 years, never ran out! still a lot of chademo chargepoints around.. gridserve, instavolt and other networks still have them. Not all have AC tho.

[@wintersun398]

3:27 I didn’t know you’d sold the kangoo! Did you do a video about that sale?

[@ecoterrorist1402]

If I were to estimate the State of Health (SOH) for my e-NV200 2020, having driven 123 miles in summer from 100% to 1% charge on roads allowing 50/60mph at 3.7kWh per mile, a usable capacity of 37.0 kWh would indicate an SOH of 90% at 80,000 miles.

[@speedonwheels]

That's a good purchase the battery will Done but if it is OK for your use then that fine. Lots of people say that the battery will be dead after 100.0000 this Van seems to kill that saying.

[@Brinslade]

looking forward to finding out about the battery condition of this purchase when you plug in leaf spy. Sounds like an interesting buy, especially regarding high mileage EVs. Do you know much about its charging history?

[@ModernHeroes]

Nope. It appears to have been used by NHS Northumbria. I found a press release from 2015 where they took delivery of the older model of these - which would almost certainly have needed rapid charging to do a days work at this kind of mileage (it even said so in the article)

[@edwyncorteen1527]

Lexus are still producing Chademo EVs, The Leaf community have contacted Gloucester services and pointed out the lack of Chademo, they are "looking" at it, also don't forget the original Zoe owners, they also can no longer charge at Gloucester services (my favourite).

[@mikadavies660]

Brilliant to see a genuine, high mileage EV that is not a Tesla. I also used to have a Kangoo but had to give up on its slow charging.

[@ModernHeroes]

Was the main reason I came to the end with mine too. Very useful thing otherwise.

[@paultodd9301]

A new Lexus UX300e still comes with Chademo fast charging in the UK.

[@martinstab2]

I have a Peugeot ion and only instavolt chargers work on it i dont know why. but if you ring instavolt and ask the nearest v1.1 charger is (anything after v1.1 doesnt seem to work on my ion )

[@martinstab2]

Sorry edit I mean the only instavolt chargers that work on it are version 1.1 I don't have the same problem with other fast charger pod point were more reliable for my ion although I've found the AC pod points very mixed aswell I find once the firmware had been updated they stop working on my ion

[@ModernHeroes]

Interesting - I’ve tried it on a fair few different rapids now and most of them worked but there were a couple of newer ones that didn’t so I guess there’s something odd in the software.

[@stephenjones9153]

Sorry how much was it ?. Not sure if i missed the price £. 😢

[@damianbond679]

Where’s the ami?

[@ModernHeroes]

Still here - possibly being sign written soon 👀

[@antoniopalmero4063]

I recently saw an env200 for sale , it had 110,000 miles on the clock and the dealer stated it had 100% battery capacity ! . Surely they double checked that with leaf-spy pro ! .

[@briangriffiths114]

Looks like you may have one or two buyers for this van, judging by the comments. In other words, a good business decision and also a very interesting video.

[@ModernHeroes]

Heh. I’m not sure I’d want to retail something this high mileage tbh - there’s still a lot of things that could be ready to cause issues even if the EV stuff is okay. It’ll likely stick around on fleet for a while.

[@GoGreenAutos]

There is still one new EV being made with Chademo - the Lexus.

[@ModernHeroes]

Ah yes of course!

[@jarthurs]

@@GoGreenAutos The Nissan Sakura is also Chademo but it's a JDM model so no surprise.

[@barronsclose]

Can’t believe Lexus using an outdated charging system.. i ended up buying the Toyota Bz4x because of that..

[@GoGreenAutos]

@@barronsclose Its still the standard in Japan. They were just being lazy and not changing it for a different market.

[@rogercrier9115]

Don’t be fooled by the standard battery condition display!!!! It always looks “full” you need to count the bars. It should be 12 I think, but LeafSpy will give you the truth , and a bit of a handle on its charging history. For Gods sake make sure to check the upper magnetic plug on the gear reduction box to se if there are any gear teeth on it!! They are prone to damage if they are driven flat out from standstill when loaded😮☹️☹️ it is far kinder on the gearbox teeth to get to about running speed before flooring the throttle✅

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Just to add my 40kWh with 44k miles and 90% soh does around 100 miles on mixed roads with a roof rack and ladders

[@nicholasroberts6954]

So the State of Health i. e. Chargeable capacity compared with new is fubarred.! What's the betting that the cells nearest the positive outlet are knackered. Oh for batteriy packs that are segmented and user removeable. If the battery pack was segmented, and user accessible through the rear floor panel, or scuttle, the user could play musical chairs with the individual battery packs and rotate their position viz-a-viz the main positive feed/ output, so that battery "Wear" was more evenly distributed and a bit more usuable life squeezed out the thing in total ?

[@ModernHeroes]

It has over 80% SoH, weird definition of fubar. I think your understanding of battery management systems is just as off too.

[@jasonallatt5410]

Great video! 👍😎😊

[@ronaldusher39]

I thought the lexus still produced chademo cars?

[@ModernHeroes]

Almost as if the UX is that forgettable 😅

[@ronaldusher39]

@@ModernHeroes lol although chademo is the better system it's ABIT like beta being the better tape that never made it

[@grahambate1567]

What sort of price did you pay

[@MikeSmith-sh3ko]

My Dad had a saying. "I made a face at a guy and he threw it at me". It was his way of saying it was so cheep he couldn't pass it by. I hope it was that. Good luck.

[@mikeolly67]

Be interested to know what you paid for it. Taking into account that BCA currently have two Renault electric kangoos , both grade2 19 plate with low miles, both buy it now price of £3700 plus fees , this Nissan had to be sub £2k, I’d say it’s value is around £1500

[@ModernHeroes]

Kangoo values have absolutely no relation to these - the lack of rapid charging makes their use case extremely limited...

[@mikeolly67]

@@ModernHeroes they’re both cheap electric vans, the price of those his relevant. But for direct comparison, Bca 19 plate nv200 , grade 1 with only 10000, cap clean £6425, it won’t fetch cap clean , £6000 on a good day I’d say, so an 188000 example is indeed sub £2k

[@ModernHeroes]

Glad to hear I didn’t overpay for it then

[@mikeolly67]

@@ModernHeroes it’s was worth a punt if it was under that

[@jean-marcgruninger9019]

out of interest what are your ‘go to’ chargers and how do you plan your journeys?

[@ModernHeroes]

Always use ABRP if I’m going somewhere I don’t know. Any network that has sites with 4+ units I tend to favour.

[@jean-marcgruninger9019]

@@ModernHeroes cheers, i’ll give that a look.

[@fire_stick]

Is this one a Quick. charge, ie 7kW ? I go backwards and forwards about getting one for a camper conversion, Now we have a couple of CCS to ChaDeMo adapters it may just be viable for a few years. Shame about the impending “Road fund” hike.🤔

[@ModernHeroes]

Yeah it has a 6.6kW onboard charger - suspect this was standard by this age.

[@camlegs2423]

I would love an electric van. But I don't want that stonking huge ex engine bay still stuck on it! Lorries are flat nosed, I would like a flat nosed van with more space inside it. The Rivian van looks great. Wish you could get it in the UK

[@applicationsbroad7283]

EV's don't generally lose AC gas the way ICE do since there is no belt drive from the engine requiring a dynamic seal. EV AC is typically more like a fridge i.e. sealed and when was the last time you re-gassed your fridge? so if the AC is not working there may be something more needed than a re-gas!

[@grahamleiper1538]

Might be good for skip runs and taking the dog to the beach. Wouldn't imagine insurance would be terrible. Business use, somewhere with ULEZ it could be handy and cheap to run if you can charge back at base. Having a car you don't care about can be liberating. 😂

[@benday1218]

comment to kick the algorithm.

[@ElectricMikeEV]

They are great little vans i love my work one. I would be interested in it or similar to turn into a mobile man cave or day van 😮

[@ModernHeroes]

There’s a load of the high roof version in BCA at the moment

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Way too ugly !!!! @@ModernHeroes

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Thanks for this. As time goes on it will sink into the consciousness of the wider population that an EV will last longer and cover more miles than an ICE car before serious money has to be spent to keep it on the road.

[@IDann1]

That's why we have KZbinrs, to make so-called dodgy purchases so we don't have to.

[@ronaldusher39]

@@IDann1 is it a dodgy purchase! With it's bi directional charging it can be a great plus for added home power !

[@IDann1]

@@ronaldusher39 you might be right if that price is right.

[@David-bl1bt]

​@ronaldusher39 absolutely! A great idea for additional storage ....A handy pseudo shed for example to store garden equipment, or other diy paraphernalia in with the added advantage of being a home storage battery too! Perfect use-case for aging end-if-usefull life EV vans.👍

[@David-bl1bt]

These are the perfect vehicle for town and city and "last mile" deliveries.

[@ronaldusher39]

@@David-bl1bt pre end of like it can still be used to shops and local!

[@shedworks3196]

Great to see your not only in the car business, and showing higher mileage vehicles are still viable

[@mickapps3153]

Where’s the Maxus

[@ModernHeroes]

Still doing its thing. Still awful 😅

[@tonygreenbank8611]

I've got a NV200 1.5D. I was talking to a bloke who told me that he runs NV200 EV in his job for a local Council. He said that the range is very limited due to us living in a hilly area. However the reak issue is the fact that it will only leagaly carry 1/4 Ton due to the weight of the battery. My van will carry about a Ton that is just fine for the type of van. Hovever 1/4 Ton wouldn't even cover my tools as a Plumber. let alone boilers & ladders ect.

[@ModernHeroes]

The payload is 705kg, 678kg for the older 22kWh model.

[@paulriggers1558]

"just need a regas" you need a dedicated EV regas, otherwise it will shut down the system, permanently...

[@mhoward181]

Good old evangelists. Keep fighting to the end lol.

[@mediocrefunkybeat]

sudo apt install acpi acpi -i

[@petersimms4982]

🤬the BCA don’t have an EV charger!!!!!! 😮 how very backwards and British 🤪🤪🤪🤬

[@ModernHeroes]

I think they actually do - stuff that’s sold with an Assured report (like this van, but not the ION) includes a test of the charging system, so they must plug them in!

[@stevetodd7030]

What is going to happen when the government implements the 2030 rule that 80% of sold cars and vans are electric? What's going to happen when there are not enough chargers for the amount of electric cars and vans, or the windmills cannot produce enough electricity to power chargers?

[@ModernHeroes]

Come on, I’m sure you can fit some more tired old tropes in there, you can do it!!

[@davidspencer7254]

Does your diesel do 900 miles to a tank and tow a Challenger 2?

[@stevetodd7030]

@@davidspencer7254 No it doesn't, but then my car is a car and not a Scania tractor unit. I do get 600 miles out of a full tank though, not so much around town, but then no car gets so much around town.

[@davidspencer7254]

@@stevetodd7030 can it tow 7 caravans at 90mph on the M11?

[@stevetodd7030]

@@davidspencer7254 I have no idea as I don't have a caravan.

[@colinrobinson7869]

Excellent video and with just the few issues it has and the fixes are not to expensive then it goes to show that a EV is better and will last longer than a ICE van and for a local trades person would certainly a low cost option. 🚐

[@tonydonohue2727]

Software update

[@ModernHeroes]

Is there a known BMS issue with these that an update fixes? 👀

[@NissanEVOwnersUK]

@@ModernHeroes Your vehicle doesn't need the software update, don't worry about it