Don't Buy Ordro Camcorders

[@Vodka27Uk]

1 minuet of silence for people who buy stuff and watch reviews after 😉

[@814world9]

Yep this was me but I’m just starting out t

[@krollpeter]

Actually, 50 % of the stuff I buy from Aliexpress is junk. Cheap junk, that is good enough to try out something, and to then know what I really need. However, I do feel pity for the other Chinese companies which do produce decent goods.

[@josephdonovan5262]

guess your talking about me lol

[@praysja1]

🤣😂🤣😂😭 Funny this was almost me.....🤦🏾‍♂️

[@josephdonovan5262]

@@praysja1 i got my 150 back an put a really bad review on the product lol

[@ryancrocker551]

I was a sucker. Bought one and watched this after. This is AN AMAZING INFORMATIVE AND ACURATE video. If the publisher reads my comment, kudos brother. Well done. We need more consumer advocates, to compensate for our short attention spans and lack of consumer patience/investigation (self included). Thanks again!

[@tonyfalcon55555]

Me too. I bought one just because it look cheap for a 4k camera, but now I realize I just bought crap. It hasn't arrived yet, I hope I could return it and have my money back.

[@josephdonovan5262]

yup me too grrr

[@OtherGuy]

I was about to buy one but the ancestors told me to watch a review on youtube 😅😅😅

[@HahnJames]

I am so glad that I stumbled across this video. I was actually considering buying an Ordro AX65. You have definitely changed my mind.

[@bigtb1717]

I haven't tried the AX65, but I have reviewed the AX60. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJzFlYeBhZyIjck

[@elmegapeluco]

I recently bought a similar camera and I've asked for the refund, Handycam Andoer 4k is horrible too.

[@quintenschwander102]

im glad i looked this up you just saved me $400

[@bigtb1717]

Happy to help. Lots of WAY better options for $400. Take the Panasonic FZ300 for example: $400, 4K video, 24X optical zoom with optical image stabilization, external audio input, weather resistance. That's just one example of many.

[@basharsafieddine9150]

bigtb1717 what’s a good 4K camera that shoots at 60 fps (for slow mo while editing) and within the price range of 500$? I was wondering if i should go for the HERO MAX, do you have any better suggestions?

[@bigtb1717]

@@basharsafieddine9150 For $500 or less you are pretty much stuck with action cameras if you want 4K60. I wouldn't bother with the HERO Max unless you need 360 degree video. You can get 4K60 in a much cheaper action camera. There are quite a few options in the $250 range (in the US) that can do 4K60.

[@basharsafieddine9150]

bigtb1717 bigtb1717 Should I get the Hero 8 instead? Or should I look at the other 4K60 action cameras at lower prices? I’m basically just tryna film my skate sessions and want that nice crisp quality

[@basharsafieddine9150]

bigtb1717 btw thanks so much for replying and being this helpful! just joined the bigtb army👍🏽

[@perrypelican9476]

Finally an honest video. Thanks. Why are there not more videos that expose rip offs like this. A better question is why would anyone buy a rip off product when there are reviews. Do they just want something amazing for cheap and don't want to bother doing research? It's the American "I want one" mentality. As long as there are enough fools out there then companies that sell garbage will always make money. Look at My Pillow. The pillow guy is Insanely rich from a pillow made from reject material.

[@daniel31279]

Hello, I have 2, I have had them for 1 year and I have never had any problems.

[@hammarkids542]

they literally have "4K!" right on the front of the screen, yet struggle to film 1080p in extremely bright summer light

[@jackwilliams4691]

This was in my cart on amazon then I saw this THANK YOU

[@TheTyyohe]

Was looking at it also, wanted to look at reviews first.

[@queenmuvah3452]

Mine too!!!

[@bostonboyb]

🤣🤣So crazy I double looked at this and your comment had me cus I did the same

[@MarcEandfriends]

Thank you for this video. I was just about to order an ODRO from amazon until I saw your video. Thank you for your knowledge and truth telling.

[@CleanRiverFishingTV]

Well done fella.. we were looking at one of these due to a huge discount offer at present.. lessons learnt and ALWAYS check out for guys like you on YT BEFORE you shop.. Kudos.

[@jessicaandtrains7768]

Thanks for an awesome review and sharing your knowledge. I just got a phone that films in 4k. Was looking to see what a reasonable 4k camcorder would cost with better zoom and similar recording quality. Straight away those camcorders popped up on a google search. So I'm glad I watched this before buying something that to a person who's knows nothing about them, looked like a good deal.

[@PhlavaReacts2]

"That Switch is a Lie" I don't think I've ever heard someone with such a calm monotone voice RIP people apart like that..lol. Keep it Up!

[@jeanyves5380]

I'm an electronician but i do not know which camcorder is good nowadays. What whould you advice? I don't need a huge image quality : just a correct one for fixed planned of myself speaking for example. I need to do stereo recording with external XLR plugged microphones. These are quality capacitors microphones. Is there an easy way to sync image and record sound with other devices. I allready own professional sound cards like Focusrite.

[@bigtb1717]

If you want to record into the camera with XLR, it's going to take a pretty expensive camera. However, you can definitely record the audio separately and sync it up in a video editing program after recording. Different programs utilize different methods for syncing audio and video, but there's typically a somewhat automatic way to do it, as well as a way to do it manually. What is your budget? Panasonic, Canon, and Sony are the biggest names in camcorders these days. There are also some good mirrorless options, depending on what you want to do.

[@TheOriginalSplash]

Yup I was sooooo close to buying the AE8 .... but I kept looking and reading reviews ect. Ended up getting the full Ghost Stop Phasm camera, extra light ect the whole deal and so glad I did.

[@bigtb1717]

Have you used the Phasm Cam yet? I got one with a bunch of stuck/hot pixels on the sensor and it locked up if I tried to use a card larger than 32GB. They accepted it back and sent me a replacement and it has some stuck pixels too, but not as bad, and it works with large memory cards.

[@judithmedina8430]

Thanks for the video, very enlightening regarding the quality of this product, and if you are right from an advertising point of view, they have very well managed to visually create an imposing camera and unfortunately most youtubers used to pass things through water lukewarm, so that they may later hire them or give them royalties, they do not dare to give a sincere and technical opinion of what this product really is, so 10 points for your work and comparison, greetings.

[@CoyoteEDC]

Glad you are making these videos. I was/am tempted to get one of these cheap Chinese cams. I have a few of the cheapy Chinese action cams. Some are garbage, but some have suprised me with how decent they are. What I would like is a traditional camcorder form factor, with the guts of a quality Chinese action cam. Difference being a non-wide angle fisheye lens, and a large body to accommodate features like external mic and lighting. Sad to say that these Ordro/clone cameras are not even as good as Cheapy action cams that are less than $50.

[@bigtb1717]

They sure seem to me like a cheap action camera in a camcorder body. This particular model has better detail and, sadly, better audio than one of the cheap 4K action cameras I tried, but it has less accurate colors and it costs almost 10 times as much.

[@chrisericaholland956]

Thank you so much for doing this. I too, was very close to ordering this exact camera. I need to help make my kiddos sports (baseball) hightlight videos now that we are going into highschool. Any reccommendations?

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget? There are lots of options in the camcorder form factor, as well as point and shoot and mirror-less cameras. I imagine some zoom range would be important for a baseball game.

[@hollaholland438]

bigtb1717 correct. Very important for zoom as we are mostly in the stands. It is for high school and little league. Budget would be $200-700

[@bigtb1717]

That price range opens up a ton of possibilities. The Panasonic HC-V770K camcorder is currently on sale for $400 and is pretty good. There are a few point-and-shoot/bridge cameras in that price range as well. The first one that comes to mind is the Panasonic FZ300, which is also $400 right now. There are many mirrorless camera options that would allow you to get a body and decent zoom lens for $500-$700 as well. Is there a particular form factor that you are leaning towards?

[@bigtb1717]

If you'd rather stick with the $200 price range, the Sony CX-405 and Canon HF R800 are decent options. You can also find some deals on used cameras occasionally.

[@hollaholland438]

bigtb1717 for the most part , we are trying to make highlight videos and also live stream

[@weavervillefullgospelchurc8446]

Thanks, a church I do I.T. work for purchased this camera to live stream their services. I researched it because it doesn't even output audio through the hdmi cable !?! How is this camera suitable for live streaming without that feature alone? Thanks in part to your review, I convinced them to return it, and fortunately amazon accepted, even though it was past the official deadline. (covid... church was closed, so we couldn't test it until recently.)

[@davidpayne4380]

What great honest review. I found the Ordro camera in a "review" site but the atrocious english grammer made me very suspicious. Well done. Thank you.

[@davesailing]

Thank you so much for your pragmatic and detailed video. It was exactly what I wanted to know about the Ordro cameras. I'm just about to subscribe, I'm sure it will be worth my time to watch your other videos.. Best Wishes Dave

[@РинатЯгудин-л4в]

Hello! help me, what camera should I buy for streaming? that is, you need a function to connect to a PC. The shooting will take place in a club, that is, a dark room. Around $200-250. I planned to buy the ordeo ac5, but after your review I’m looking for what to buy again

[@LoveRC]

Do you have any recommendations on an inexpensive camera to shoot RC flight videos? Every camera on Amazon seems to be a piece of crap.

[@bigtb1717]

For something like that I assume you will want zoom and image stabilization, correct? You will also want decent autofocus to track the moving plane/drone. What is your budget? Are you in the US? Considering how much camcorders have gone up in price lately, some of the cheap camcorders on Amazon are starting to almost look worth it (for $60-$80) if you just want to be able to record video as cheap as possible. But they are still really poor quality and the false advertisements and MASSIVELY exaggerated claims irk me. Even for $60, you don't really get more than you pay for. And it's so hard to tell what you are getting until you spend the money. Will you get one that is actually decent for the money (as long as you are okay with no zoom, odd quirks, not great quality, laggy controls, no image stabilization, etc., etc.), or will you get one that is barely functional, records at odd framerates that programs won't read, has major sound problems (or no sound at all) and more.

[@LoveRC]

@@bigtb1717 What about something in $200 range? Definitely need zoom, stabilization and decent autofocus.

[@bigtb1717]

Personally, I think the Sony CX405 is still probably the best option at around $230, but it may be hard to find right now. Unfortunately, prices and availability have been rough the last year or so. Two years ago it was available everywhere and often went on sale for $189-$200. Not so much these days. The CX405 doesn't have the most amazing image quality, but it has decent stabilization, a good amount of zoom, and not great, but okay autofocus. Normally I would say the Canon HF R800 is another option if you want an audio input jack, but that thing has just gone up in price by stupid amounts in the last year. It used to be $250, but I often saw it for much less and actually saw it on sale locally for like $170 a couple years ago. Then it suddenly went to $300, which is a bit much, and now it's a ridiculous $400. Don't get me wrong, it's a far better camera than the $300-$400 Ordro cameras are, but it's still a 5 year old, entry-level camcorder. I'm really annoyed that it has gone up so much recently. I'd pay $230 for the CX405 way before I'd pay $400 for the Canon, which is a five year old camera with a worse lens than my 11 year old Canon Vixia HF 20.

[@LoveRC]

@@bigtb1717 thank you for all the advice. Much appreciated.

[@Voxelsan]

Phew! I've been hours from buying that garbage. Something told me to look for reviews and thanks to unseen forces found yours :) Thanks a lot.

[@fibbermcghee23]

Hi can you offer options for actor self tapes: camcorders, dslr or vlogging camera- I dont like using my Iphone- thx

[@aog8202]

Great video, now that we’re into 2022 is there anything decent that you’d recommend if we are willing to spend a few extra hundred dollars? Thanks

[@bigtb1717]

It's tough right now with the supply chain issues and shortages. I suppose it will partly depend on what are your priorities. For instance, what are the most important features: Image quality, long telephoto capability, audio input, image stabilization, long continuous recording. And the next question would be budget. Camcorders in particular are tough right now. There are some great camcorders, but you will pay more depending on exactly what you want. There are some pretty darn good mirrorless options in the $600-$1,000 range right now. I'm not sure what the used market is like, but I imagine it's a bit barren considering the availability issues.

[@pisceanx8382]

Very helpful! Thank you! I'd actually been strongly considering purchasing one of those. Thanks so much for posting! 📷

[@cliffordplasd8239]

I find your review to be spot on and greatly explains the differences between a pro camera and a consumer camera. At best this camera is a child's toy.

[@nomorebushz]

How is the macro lens that is included, as I need it for close up work for youtube videos, just detailed close up work, like fingerprint focusing for detail. thanks if you respond

[@bigtb1717]

The macro lens works okay. It lets you focus close, but there is still no way to change the focus point, so there is a very specific distance away the camera has to be from the subject. Also, I find a Sony CX-405 camcorder to focus closer with the built-in lens, as do many point and shoot cameras. I've also bought $7 add-on lenses for my cell phone that let it focus super close as well, not to mention still having autofocus. I think I show the macro lens performance in my Ordro AC5 review.

[@KhoiNgoRomantic]

Thank you for your useful review, it made me think twice about Ordro. I intend to buy Palmcorder Ordro M3 5K but have doubful worry while very few reviews, especially the actual video quality vs camera's parameters (sounds very stuninng on Amazon and Ordro website).

[@bigtb1717]

Interesting. That's a new one. Maybe I'll check it out.

[@bigtb1717]

Just from looking at the ads, a few things stand out. First, it says it has an 8 megapixel sensor, but that's not enough for full, 5K video. 4K is around 8.2 megapixel. Full 5K is more like 14.5 megapixel. So it's certainly upscaling to get 5K. Also, it says "gimbal" stabilized, but the contraption on top doesn't appear to be a gimbal. it's just a thing that allows you to rotate the camera to face forwards or backwards. So it may have a gimbal inside like their little wearable cameras do, but it's tough to say.

[@stanleyfink2934]

I do a lot of fishing and want to start videoing my trips, also would like the ability to have a remote mike where I can sit in front of boat abut 10-12 feet from camera and sound can be recorded clearly in sync with video. Based on above what camera would best suite my needs?

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget? An action camera might be all you need, depending on exactly how you are looking to record your trips. The newer GoPro models and the DJI Osmo action both have mic input accessories, but for what you want to do, an external audio recorder might make the most sense. This would allow you to wirelessly record good audio, regardless of the camera used and then you would sync the audio with software after the fact. You could also get a wireless setup and record directly into the camera to avoid syncing later, but that will require its own considerations and setup. If you are looking for something you can set to record, get hours of footage and cut it down later, you will need something without record limits or temp issues. If you plan to record shorter clips here and there, just about any video camera could work for that. Unfortunately, there's really no "Best" camera. There may be a "best" camera for you, but it will depend on what is most important, what features and capability you must have and what drawbacks and limitations you are willing to work with.

[@stanleyfink2934]

Thanks for the quick response. I shot short clips, (of fish being caught, we crabbing, etc.) throughout the day. I use my I-phone 10 and a Nikon Coolpix AW120, both shot great pictures. I edit them on ArcSoft Medialimpression. My problem is the audio, I cannot record voice on them because I am so far away from camera. I have a few videos on U-Tube they look OK, but sound is not good. Do you know of any equipment / accessories that can interface with I-phone and/or AW120 so that I can record wireless with one or both of them. My budget 3-$400) something simple to use with auto set up on camera. Thanks SF @@bigtb1717

[@bigtb1717]

Depending on which iPhone you have, you should be able to get some type of wireless mic setup for it. If you are willing to sync audio after the fact, a portable audio recorder could work for any camera (even your AW120). In the $300-$400 range it will be very difficult to get something better than what your iPhone can do and also get some kind of wireless mic system. Are you willing to sync audio later? What iPhone do you have?

[@MyNameIsChallenger]

I wanted to buy my first camera for youtube and was thinking about buying either the ordro ac3 or the Komery af2 or a canon/nikon DLSR. Now I am no expert at all when it comes to cameras so I couldn't really tell the difference between the value and the performance of those cameras. You probably just saved me 200bucks

[@danieltomlinson5092]

a komery is not so good?

[@Spl1ceEatsChairs]

I am a owner of a Ordro Camera and in my opinion i really like it. I can record dumb stuff with my friends no problem. And the quality for the image on 2K is really GOOD! I am proud of the camera, it might not be perfect but but for recording me and my friends shoot the crap i think it was a good 80 Euros spent

[@bigtb1717]

If you are happy with your camera, that's great. I'm genuinely glad it is working for you. I have found many of there cameras to cost hundreds of US dollars and offer worse performance and value at a higher cost than many other cameras. But if you've found a use and are happy with your camera that's good.

[@Spl1ceEatsChairs]

@@bigtb1717 i will be adding some addons to my camera soon. Like a better mic or a Infra-Red module

[@johnnyrotit844]

Good video but in all fairness there are two small points if someone is considering it for KZbin and not for filming the family on a rollercoaster. The first, no one should really use audio from any of these cameras, expensive or cheap. An external Zoom should be used. Secondly, out of the box it has terrible quality and needs a bunch of adjustment in the menu which makes the picture fairly decent and on par with the Sony CX405, which is a great little unit. PS yes the zoom is always a problem on these but for static shots it's not bad.

[@bigtb1717]

Can you detail what settings changes need to be done to make this quality better? I've had people tell me the same thing before, that there are a "bunch" of changes that have to be made to get good quality. But there are hardly any settings options available on these cameras. I always max out the resolution and "quality" settings. The only other options are things like exposure compensation, which at best can make the exposure a bit darker or lighter, and white balance, which I've always tried all settings and picked the best/most accurate. Some of them have sharpness which helps to turn down, but most don't have that and when they do I've tested with it at all levels and it's not a night and day difference to image quality, it just reduces the sharpening artifacts (though doesn't remove them entirely).

[@bobandiara]

That moment when I reaize that my 2009 Sony point-and-shoot Cybershot that records at only 480p has a better image quality than a modern Ordro Camera

[@karolcpm-]

Thank you for a very detailed informative video. I knew there was something fishy with these "cheap" cameras all over the internet and am glad to know I'm not the only one that noticed. I say this because I'm currently looking for a good camera for my own purposes at a reasonable price because I've got a tight budget. I've operated a ~$400 Canon camera and an ~$900 Panasonic 4k video camera for organizational uses so the video quality differences are extremely obvious as an experienced video editor photographer. I've also got high expectations with capture quality from years' self-experience with cameras in my consideration.

[@karolcpm-]

Based on another comment, I'm planning to buy a Panasonic V180K. Demo footage alone tells it's an amazing camera, and I look forward to using one.

[@bigtb1717]

The Panasonic V180K is one I haven't tested. I hope it will do all you need. Cheers.

[@CirclesArePointlesss]

Hey buddy. Great video! Can you please advise what would be a good IR / night vision camera to get without losing an arm or leg? I would like to use it for looking into the night sky

[@bigtb1717]

Well, camcorders like this would be mostly useless viewing the night sky. In fact, most camcorders would be poor at that. When a camcorder says it has "night vision" or "IR night vision" it's nothing like the true night vision that is sometimes used for astronomy. On a camcorder, "night mode" or "night vision" is just a higher gain mode where the ISO/gain on the sensor is turned up and often noise reduction is turned up as well. IR night vision is basically the same, but the camera removes the IR filter from in front of the sensor to maximize the amount of light that hits the sensor. This can result in a slightly brighter video. However, it really wouldn't be all that good for recording the night sky/stars. A "night vision" scope has a photon/light detector and it creates a signal from that and amplifies it. These are often used for visual astronomy. Are you looking for something like this or are you looking to record the sky/stars?

[@ericady263]

Honest and informative review. Thanks for this! I saved my money ♥

[@jeromebaker9906]

Thank you so much! I was getting ready to buy one before I saw this review...Thank you again !

[@bigtb1717]

Glad I could help. I am currently working on a video comparing 7 different cameras, ranging from $20 to $400, and all of them are better than the Ordro cameras I've tested.

[@ryanwonderschool]

just got my Ordro this morning, can't wait to try it :)

[@bigtb1717]

Which model?

[@gordonjacksonsr.538]

I just bought the Ordro HDR-AC3 model, but i was blessed to get it for only $75. I don't like the fact that it does not zoom very far at all, but i think it's something that i can play around with as this is my very first camcorder ever, besides the video camera on my cell phone. But i do want to thank you for this video, because it'll help me in the future when i do become a professional.

[@Theroha]

With the quality of the product, I think $75 is fairly accurate for what the Ordro should be priced at. Could go lower with that fixed focal length, but $50-75 for someone's first camcorder is an ok toe in the water choice. Just hope you upgraded your audio recording gear fast. People will tolerate a well shot but low quality video for several minutes; just look at how many films from the Silent era still get attention. The audience runs like the plague from bad audio.

[@gordonjacksonsr.538]

Hello & thank you for your advice. But like i said, this is just something for me to play around with & just learn how to use a camcorder. We use a cannon camcorder at my church & i really like it. So therefore whenever i'm ready to upgrade, i'll get one of those. But again, thank you and GOD Bless you! Have a Blessed day!

[@BlossomAndShineWithPatri]

I was about to get it but this video saved me😅 thank you!

[@Behptv]

Thanks so much for such a brilliant tutorial and advice.

[@mosesgodsfear5189]

Pls can someone hear help me out with the best camera to buy as an up coming comedian 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏, I was thinking about looking for a camcorder

[@karnbroad8504]

I have used the Ordro AC5 and it does have some optical zoom, but the constant autofocus that mostly doesn't, and the audio quality make it a very poor option. My iPhone SE 2020 absolutely nails it in all areas, which is disappointing. I have used it as where I work, and it was purchased before I arrived.

[@Curatedmarketinglab]

Thank you! Which camera do you recommend to buy in Amazon for less than 400 usd for professional use?

[@bigtb1717]

When you say "professional use," what exactly will be the use case? What features are most important? Ability for manual exposure control and other "pro" type control settings? Do you need AVCHD recording? Do you need image stabilization? Optical zoom? Interchangeable lenses? Generally, for anything important, audio is every bit as critical as video quality, and honestly, most cameras $400 and under will have poor audio. So no matter what you go with, you may have to plan on recording audio separately, but that also has a cost associated with it, unless you already have audio recorder/mic, etc.

[@minde28383]

amazing review. 10 points. To the core. Thank you and you welcome.

[@thedurrants5600]

It says on amazon “The product valid for beginner level / amateur use, not for professional use” so don’t compare it to the high branded ones which is more expensive. I use one like this and it works as described. I don’t see any distortion with the video.

[@bigtb1717]

I’m not comparing them to more expensive cameras. In fact, in all my Ordro/generic camera videos I generally try to compare them to similarly priced or less expensive cameras.

[@soloM81]

wow thank you for making this was going to buy one of theses like you said they try to get you on how it looks . i change my budget to 1,500 now i want to do youtube videos about games and do reviews and record gaming guilds maybe do live stuff what do you recommend. i also was told to get a mirrorless cam over a regular video Camcorder so confuse on what to get

[@bigtb1717]

Mirrorless cameras can give good quality and are very flexible, but there's nothing wrong with a camcorder, depending on your preferences. Will you be wanting to record for very long continuously? Many mirrorless cameras have a record limit, typically 30 minutes, at which time recording will stop and you'd have to re-start if you want to keep recording. Generally camcorders have no limit. Some mirrorless cameras have no limit, but it's something to consider if you want to record for more than 30 minutes or so at a time. $1,500 opens up a lot of possibilities. Heck, even a Panasonic GH5 and basic lens would be within that budget and it's a fantastic camera.

[@laurielowery9011]

Thanks for info. I bought a pos on Amazon for $180. Made in China 4k HD no brand name at all. I'll be sending it back asap.

[@praysja1]

Thank you ,thank you very much 🤦🏾‍♂️, I was just about to purchase this combo setup for my 9yr old daughter who loves to shoot & vlogg

[@haxino]

Thank you for the great, detailed an honest review!

[@Shrewsburyturners]

I bought one to use in locked off rooms when ghost hunting and can't fault it. And I've bought another for the equipment box

[@perdueholmphotography4983]

Thank you! Which camcorder (budget range) would you recommend for vlogging?

[@bigtb1717]

Will it be a walk and talk style, talking head style? Will zoom be important? Wide angle? Stabilization?

[@perdueholmphotography4983]

@@bigtb1717 Live streaming from smaller events. (A theater play, a cat walk etc) Using a Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro to control four cameras. Each camera on a tripod. I hope its gives you an idea 🙂

[@bigtb1717]

That maxes out at 1080p, so there's no reason to spend more for 4K. But those situations may be low light (or at least, poor lighting). So something with a bit larger sensor would be nice. Not cheap though. When you say "budget range," what price range are you thinking?

[@ashleyl7608]

I've got an Ordo sitting in my Amazon wishlist that's about to be deleted. I was originally planning to purchase video camera for ghost hunting and I need moderate infrared night vision, do you know of one that's not prohibitively expensive? It doesn't need to be 4K in night vision mode. I'd like 1080, but 720 for night vision is acceptable. It doesn't need to produce its own infrared light either because I can get separate infrared lighting.

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget? Probably the ONLY thing that could make the generic camcorders a viable option in some cases is the IR mode. But I generally wouldn't spend more than $60-$150 in most cases, because the $300-$400 options really aren't that much better. And if you plan to use them for all recording, you will have to accept no optical zoom or autofocus (in most cases), no working stabilization on any I've ever seen, poor battery life, occasional glitches, often over sharpened video with slightly off colors, poor audio, odd framerates on some models, etc. Depending on your budget, it might make more sense to either get a cheap camera just for IR and another camera or camcorder for non-IR use, or just get a better camcorder that has IR mode (like a Sony, or a Panasonic if you can find one). I do have a video comparing a few different IR night vision options. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXOvhnpnm55no5o

[@ashleyl7608]

@@bigtb1717 That video you linked is very helpful. I was looking at a $750 aud budget which is $550.15 usd, but seeing the night vision video I might have to save a little more and get the Sony. Even if it's very nearly twice as much as I wanted to spend the difference in video quality is too great to ignore, especially when using an external source of infrared light and I planned to have audio done through a separate microphone so audio quality isn't a big issue.

[@TommyAmongstTheTombstones]

What would you recommend for the best night vision camera that’s under $500 for paranormal investigations?

[@bigtb1717]

I have another video testing an assortment of IR night vision cameras. Unfortunately, under $500 there aren't a lot of high-quality options. The Sionyx Aurora isn't too much more than that, depending on the version, but it's not a traditional camcorder by any stretch, and it's getting more difficult to find. You might look for a used Sony or Panasonic camcorder with IR night vision. I got a Phasm Cam to review. The first one I got had a ton of dead or "hot" pixels. After sending them a sample video, they authorized me sending it in and getting a replacement. unfortunately the replacement also has many dead pixels. I think it's still usable, but it's unfortunate. I still plan to review it eventually. I also had issues using a memory card over 32GB in it (as in, it was unusable, kept locking up, etc.). I don't know if any of that helps, lol. Hopefully you can find something that does what you need.

[@JonTopping]

Same value but better quality? Mind hooking me up with some products then? I'm looking around and I'm finding absolutely nothing worth getting for these prices. I need optical zoom, long record time, and a mic input. That's it, and I'm not finding anything at all. I got one camera, but the mic input was horrible. I'm using a Rode mic, which sounds great in other stuff, but when plugged into the camera I bought it sounded like garbage. I just need something that will let me use my external wireless lav Rode mic, with optical zoom, and long record times. Any idea? Thanks!

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget? How long of record times do you need? Are you thinking 30+ minutes, or 1 hour+? Unfortunately, prices have gone up quite a bit in the last 3 years or so. For something good quality with optical zoom and an audio input, you are probably going to spend at least $400-$500 (at least, in the US). Panasonic has had some 1080P camcorders on sale recently for around $450 or so.

[@JonTopping]

@@bigtb1717 Thanks for the help. I would prefer 4k, and I need like 1.5 hours. It would be great if it could be plugged in while recording to extend the time. I'm okay with spending a bit more, but I'm just scared of spending a lot and it not working well. I just need long recordings, with good audio from my pro mic, and optical zoom. I'm doing records of lectures and debates, that kind of thing, so I can't exactly have the camera shoved right up to the person's face.

[@bigtb1717]

The Sony AX53 is pretty good. The Sony AX700 is really nice, but it's pretty expensive. I've used an AX700 for 4-5 years and it's been totally reliable. I still use it in all of my welding videos. Both of those cameras include an AC power adapter and can be powered while recording. Both also have 3.5mm microphone input jacks. Those aren't the only options, but they are the ones I have the most experience with. Canon and Panasonic also make good options.

[@michaeleder7013]

What would you recommend that you could buy for this price that has Nightvision? Most cameras don’t come with IR Nightvision capabilities especially at this price, at least that I’ve found. What, if any, would you recommend?

[@bigtb1717]

Unfortunately, there isn't anything very inexpensive with IR mode that is very good, in my opinion. If you are absolutely set on getting a camera with IR mode, many of the generic cameras have it, but none of them are very good. It's just the way it is. Panasonic and Sony both make camcorders with IR mode, but they start at $700 or so and go up from there. Honestly, all the generic camcorders with IR mode really get you is the ability to record using an IR light. None of them that I've tried (I've tried an embarrassing number of them at this point, lol) really let you see better in the dark, unless you use an IR light. At that point, a regular flashlight would let you see just as well or better anyway. Some of the ones I've tried literally don't even have as bright an image in IR mode as what I can see with the un-aided eye. In other words, walking around my yard at night when there is just enough light to see okay to move around without bumping into things, the "nightvision" mode on the camera would just be showing a black image unless I used an IR flashlight so the camera could see that. Indoors, some of them do okay in small-ish spaces simply due to the built-in IR light. But again, so would a normal flashlight and a normal camera. I don't really see the point unless you want to record without using flashlights that are visible to the naked eye, or you just want that "IR nightvision" look in your recording.

[@bigtb1717]

Just to add to my previous comment. If you do just want that IR look or want the ability to record with flashlights that are invisible to the naked eye for some reason (hopefully nothing sketchy, lol) then I'd recommend getting one of the cheaper options you can find that has IR mode (probably in the $100-$130 range) and then get an IR flashlight. The generic cameras that cost $200-$400 are really not that much better.

[@michaeleder7013]

Well that was my question. Other than Sony and Panasonic (over $700) you don’t have any other options that have an IR mode. You would have to make major modifications to the pens in order to have IR capabilities. Other than Sony, Panasonic, Bell Howell and Ordro there aren’t any other options out there. Unless you know of an inexpensive one that I’ve never seen. Kinda why I asked if there was a specific model u knew of, because I haven’t been able to find any.

[@bigtb1717]

I can look for some specific models when I get done working this evening if you want. If you search for "camcorder" on Amazon you will get hundreds of similar models with dozens of different "brands" and a huge number of them have IR mode. Most of them in the $130 price range or so are going to be extremely similar, and most of them have IR mode.

[@bigtb1717]

The Ordro Z63 has IR and it's around $85. The one I tried had issues with the audio. The audio worked when played back in the camera, but once the files were transferred to my computer, there was no audio. I tried putting the files in an audio editing program, multiple video editors and even just playing them in different players. All silent. Maybe it was just a fluke with my particular camera. If you want to take the risk, it has pretty much the same IR as the over $200 Ordros I've tested. Keep in mind, all of these generic cameras have the built-in IR light on when in IR mode and it reduces the battery life drastically. Just something to be aware of. The Ordro HDR V12 is just about the worst camera in low light, including IR mode, that I've ever used, so stay away from that one for sure. There is camera I tested that had just about the best IR of any generic camcorder I've tested, but the listing is gone. It was branded Sauloo I think, but the particular model I bought is gone. I can find the exact same camera under other "brands" but it is $300 and it's not worth nearly that much. Beyond that there isn't a lot I can say about specific models. The AZ50 has decent IR for a generic camcorder, but it's pretty expensive. The AC3 (under the many brands that sell it) has worse IR than the Z63 and it's much more expensive. The Z63 is available with an IR light for $130, so maybe give that one a shot and return it if it won't work for you? I wish I could say "Camera X is the one to get, it's cheap and good." I really wish I could say that. I have probably tried 10 or more generic cameras hoping I'd find the one that could be that. The Z63 was nearly an "OK" value at $85, but since the sound doesn't work on mine (internal or external mic), it just didn't make it.

[@holycrapghosttv]

Can you see if the odor 5k is good I like has a 3.5 screen they said has a gamble that has good stability can you check out this camera do a review in it please thank you

[@bigtb1717]

It sounds like you are talking about a camera I recently reviewed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIPGd2ppi8ikiK8 If you are talking about something else, let me know.

[@yorganyog]

For video clips. Without fancy zooms, are good in image quality?

[@bigtb1717]

For basic video without anything special or zoom, any smartphone, a cheap action camera, or even a cheap point-and-shoot camera would have better image quality.

[@therightsphoenix1111]

Hello sir. I am trying to buy a video camera to blog, shoot videos, take pictures, and I can only seem to find these garbage ones as you are showing and telling. They are on Ebay, Amazon, it's like there is no decent camera out there. I was wondering if you could direct me to a site where I could find a good camera. I am looking for something with WIFI, timer, 4K, the works, a bundle with it would be nice. Appreciate your time. One other question. I don't really understand about the wifi, does this make it possible to shoot live video straight from the camera like using an iPhone? I am a lament in these things so. Nio

[@bigtb1717]

I use B&H Photo for most of my camera equipment. If pictures are important, a mirrorless camera with good video capabilities would probably do well for you. WiFi functionality will depend on the camera. Sometimes they can transmit a video feed, sometimes it just for controlling the camera remotely or transferring files. Just depends on the camera.

[@LadyAnyaRomanov]

Thanks for the review - drop-shipping and adverts are destroying the market when it comes to finding quality products.

[@TOBONKcox]

How long this canon and fuji camera recording video? Cause i ihave dslr camera only recording video in 20 minutes

[@bigtb1717]

They both have limits. I think the Canon is 29 minutes or so. I can't remember what the limit is on the Fuji. The Ordros I've tested stop recording after 30-35 minutes as well. They do automatically start recording again, but they lose a few seconds (maybe five or six), so the clips cannot be edited back together seamlessly.

[@TOBONKcox]

@@bigtb1717 ok

[@Ascnxdigital]

@bigtb1717 Damn I was literally about to buy this ac can for $400 but watched this first 😂 thank you 🙏🏾 but what would u suggest for Vlogging & podcasting? I see a lot of Canons available used 🤷🏾‍♂️ want to purchase one that will last + one stop shop type of cam

[@bigtb1717]

Will your vlogs be walk and talk type stuff, or more of an at a desk type thing? Will you need a lot of zoom? Depending on your budget, there are a lot of good options out there. Even something like a DJI Osmo Action or a GoPro can work for a lot of situations. If you want better image quality, even some of the "entry level" mirrorless cameras can take very good video. If you need long recording times with no record limit, a camcorder may be the way to go in the $300-$400 range. If you are willing to edit the videos and combine audio after the fact, a portable recorder is a great way to get good audio, no matter the camera you are using. This could be especially important for a podcast scenario. It sound like you are looking at the used market and there are often deals to be had. Just be sure whatever you get can support the recording modes you need, can support modern media and has replacement batteries easily available, because you don't want to end up with a bad battery and no easy way to get a replacement. What I normally do is look up the specs for whatever used camera I find and see if it can do what I need it to do, then check to see what media is compatible and if batteries are available.

[@MrFreeZ2U]

Not sure if you will be able to help but I'll shoot my shot. See I'm trying to branch out my content, just starting to expand, so my budget is a bit tight about $300 US. I found this Camera and I watched the video and I clearly see difference so i'm back to square one (kinda). So let me ask you this. The cannon sx620 you showed; 1. I'm looking to record in a bowling ally where for the most part it would be on a tripod, the lighting quality would be so so but constant. Would it fit the bill if all I was going for was a clear 1080p at 60 fps and the audio not being a major factor. 2. With a similar tri-pod set up I would like to stream with the same camera in different areas of the house or even the bowling ally would this work for that as well? Or if you would recommend a different camera at this price point for the previously mentioned stuff what might it be?

[@bigtb1717]

How are you looking to stream? Are you wanting a camera that can connect directly to a computer via USB or are can you use an HDMI capture device? Something like a Sony CX-405 wouldn't be all that great in the low-ish light of a bowling alley, but it would be okay for around $200-$230. But it cannot stream directly from the camera, as far as I'm aware. Sony makes a streaming app that works with some of their cameras, but I can't remember of the CX-405 works with it. The CX-405 can output clean video over HDMI though, and an HDMI to USB capture card would allow you to input video to a computer without issue.

[@MrFreeZ2U]

@@bigtb1717 I would have a laptop with obs if that would be possible with the camera you mentioned. Also why would you recommend that over what you used in the video just curious? Because it seemed like the recording capabilities of the cannon seemed pretty good.

[@bigtb1717]

Simply because with the way the market is right now, the price of that Canon SX620 HS has gone up. New it's like $300 right now, which is a bit much if you really only care about video. A camcorder in the $200-$250 range would probably serve you better. That's all. With the Sony CX-405 I mentioned you would need an HDMI capture device. That would allow you to send a 1080p feed from the Sony into OBS on your laptop.

[@MrFreeZ2U]

@@bigtb1717 ahh I see that does make sense about the video mainly. The price (at least on Amazon) seemed about the same either way but I would prefer new to used so I'll keep it in mind.

[@MrFreeZ2U]

@@bigtb1717 and yeah I assumed I would need the HDMI capture device just wanted to make sure I understood how it worked before purchasing. I appreciate the advice and help I'll probably look sony cx 405

[@nagaya011]

Great job. From every perspective!!!

[@jeffk4770]

What do you know about the Lincomtech 4K cam. Is it as bad as the one you just showed

[@bigtb1717]

I don't know much about it, but from what I can find it is likely a bit worse than what I showed in this video. It looks exactly like a lot of the other re-branded, generic cameras that are flooding the internet.

[@jeffk4770]

@@bigtb1717 what is a decent quality cam to vlog with that doesn’t cost to much. 3-400 range

[@bigtb1717]

There are some point and shoot cameras in that price range that may work for vlogging. The Canon HF R800 camcorder is around $200-$250 and could be a decent option with an external mic jack. The Sony CX-405 is a good, cheap camcorder as well. The internal audio on the CX-405 is pretty decent, but it doesn't have a mic input jack. Honestly, the DJI Osmo Action or a GoPro 7/8/9 would be MUCH better than any of the generic camcorders.

[@moondawg3693]

Thanks so much, i actually had the Ordro AE8 in my Amazon shopping cart, LOL.

[@inazidshow5556]

Excellent review and Thanks for saving money.

[@DanDDirges]

The canon sx620 hs cost over $600 on Amazon though. Why are camcorders so expensive.

[@bigtb1717]

Yeah, once something is discontinued or out of stock, random sellers tend to MASSIVELY overcharge for things like that on Amazon. I got the SX620 new at a local store for around $140 around the time I made this video. The Sony CX405 and Panasonic V180K are around $230 (again, you may find wildly overpriced sellers on Amazon from time to time). Both of those are better than any Ordro. I think part of the issue is that name brand companies aren't focusing on camcorders right now. And you get all these random sellers re-branding the cheapest of the cheap junk from China and marketing it with misleading claims. If someone finds them good enough for the money, that's great. But I personally think they are not worth the money, regardless of what else is out there. The lies on top of the poor quality just bothers me.

[@karolcpm-]

@@bigtb1717 I'm seriously going to consider the Panasonic V180K, depending on the demo footage. Thanks again for sharing.

[@karolcpm-]

I'm planning to buy a Panasonic V180K. From demo footage alone, it's an amazing camera and I look forward to using one.

[@justsherman4]

What do you recommend for a youtube reaction video? something i can record for 3 hours+ at one time. Indoors. Returning a Rebel t6, I didn't realize they only shoot for 30 minutes at a time. Something preferably less than $500. the less expensive the better. it would just be me and a background. I'm going crazy trying to find the right thing. I'm recording audio separately so I'm not as concerned about that. Even just 1080p would be fine. Don't need 4K. thank you!

[@bigtb1717]

You will want a camcorder that can be powered externally. Most likely you will be hard pressed to find one with a battery that will last 3+ hours. The price just went back up, but I imagine the sale will come back on the Panasonic camcorders. They have a couple 1080P models that are normally priced around $450-$500. The price of Sony and Panasonic Camcorders recently jumped up due to a bunch of long-running discounts ending. I imagine the sales will return. Even something like the Sony CX-405 or Canon HF R800 would work, but the image quality wouldn't be as good as the Panasonic V770 or V800. Much cheaper though.

[@WellnessMafia]

Is there anything better at same price with night vision?????

[@bigtb1717]

Unfortunately, good, night vision, and cheap don't really go together. A lot of these generic camcorders (though not all) have an "IR" mode. I don't know that I'd really call it "night vision" because the sensors are generally such low sensitivity that I can literally see better with my naked eyes than these cameras can in "night vision" mode. However, they do allow you to use an IR flashlight rather than a visible light flashlight, if that's important to you. If you have no problem using a normal flashlight, then a normal camcorder and a normal flashlight will see better in the dark than these cameras with their "night vision." If it's just the IR look you are going for, then sure, these generic cameras will give you that, but you'd probably be best off getting one of the cheapest you can that has IR, rather than spending $200+, because the performance difference isn't very big. For instance, the "Phasm Cam" has its share of problems, but for $180 or so it has as good of "night vision" as any $400 Ordro I've tried. In fact, one of the sub-$100 camcorders I tried had far better IR mode performance than a much more expensive camera I tried at the same time. Granted, neither of them were very good, but these types of camcorders are all over the place in terms of quality and it's hard to know exactly what you are getting until you try it.

[@celticdadgad]

Have you reviewed the Zoom Q8 Handy Video Recorder?

[@bigtb1717]

I haven't ever used one. I have considered getting one to test a few times. It seems like a very specialized device. It's essentially an action camera with a two channel, XLR audio recorder attached. It if had optical image stabilization and a bit of zoom I'd be much more excited about it as a potential, normal camcorder. But as it is, it seems it would only be for a fairly specialized use case. It is on sale right now though...maybe I should check it out?

[@bigtb1717]

Thinking about it, it could make a good webcam/streaming camera because it can work directly as a webcam when plugged into the computer, without any capture cards or anything, and it could basically double as your interface at that point. You could use the mics built in, or plug in an XLR mic directly and eliminate the need for an interface. Maybe I'll have to try that out.

[@portfoliodamalu]

Very, very helpful! Thank you so much

[@albertbrown7694]

My son gave me this AC3. I feel bad I accepted. I should have told him to return it. My Nikon L120 Coolpix has better video at 720,better zoom, better macro and much better sound. Amex gave me the L120 for some points back in 2011 (we got 2) and I still use it for both stills and video.

[@PRIMAL73]

The ordro hdr-ac3 camcorder is the best camcorder they have. But not good for POV or going around shooting n making videos because it doesn’t have image stabilization. Now as a stationary camera that’s completely different story. They are great stationary cameras, and the one little thing that people don’t know is that that the wardrobe AC3 has full spectrum. I have 4 of them that I use as stationary cameras. They are great gif this. Now I use Sony fdr ax53 camcorders for POV cams and full spectrum ghost stop Phasm cams n the Phasm light allows you to shoot in full spec, green, UV, green,red etc. But not many people know that the ac3 is actually a full spectrum camera. I set my stationary cams in certain areas and I will use full spec in one, UV on another , green red or greeen on one and black n white on another n I will switch these setting through out the night. If you’re a ghost hunter or a paranormal investigstor( yes there is a difference between the 2) then the ordro ac3 is a cheaper alternative to more expensive stationary cams. Sound isn’t the best but I fix it up in editing.

[@markharris4659]

I want to upgrade my webcam and use a camcorder for vlogging. i nearly bought the above camera...so thanks. what would you recommend, please?

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget? What are you using now? Will your vlogging be a walking/out and about kind of thing, or will it be on a tripod?

[@markharris4659]

@@bigtb1717 I use Iphone 12 pro max for video in and out. At moment using logitec webcam for on trainings want to improve quality of my training videos. So want to use as webcam. No more than £250 to spend

[@bigtb1717]

Which model webcam do you have? Just trying to get an idea of what will actually be a for-sure upgrade in quality. Nothing for 250 will beat your iPhone 12 Pro for video quality, but maybe it would be better than the webcam, depending on the model. I assume you are in the UK? From what I can find on sites over there, there isn't a whole lot available for 250.

[@cfelix0708]

OMG I’m glad I watched this video! Thank you so much!!

[@sharonpowis8286]

I'm housebound on limited funds can you give UK Amazon links for a better one than one in video for similar price my budget is between 50-100 pounds I need night vision and decent mic for vlogging and you tube ty

[@bigtb1717]

Unfortunately, that's a lot to ask for a budget of 50-100 pounds. Night vision in particular is not something you will find outside of these Chinese cameras, unless you spend quite a lot more. Many of these cheap camcorders (not just Ordro, but many of the other names they are sold under) come with "night vision". But how well that night vision actually works, the quality of the video overall and the quality of the audio is generally very poor and it is also inconsistent. I've tried some in the 50-100 range that are usable, though not without their faults. And I've tried others that have non-working audio, framerate issues, and more. So it's a bit of a crap shoot. If these Chinese cameras are all you can afford that offers the features you want, you may want to give one a shot. But just understand that there may be issues. Maybe look for cameras with a good return policy, try one out and see if it will work for you.

[@anthonymatais7135]

I'm planning on getting a camcorder to just film dumb videos or for memories i'm also trying to get the vintage vibe. Do you have any suggestions on which camcorder I should get with the same or lower price as the ordro camcorder?

[@bigtb1717]

Ordro cameras vary in price quite a bit. What is your budget?

[@anthonymatais7135]

@@bigtb1717 $79 or lower

[@bigtb1717]

If that is your max, I'd start by looking for something used. Maybe a 3-5 year old model from Canon, Sony, JVC or Panasonic. Otherwise, you could just pick something from Amazon or eBay in your price range. At that price there isn't a huge difference. I've tested out a lot of the generic camcorders (I include Ordro among these) and there really isn't a huge difference. Some seem a bit better than others, but they all have quirks and annoyances. Just make sure you get it from somewhere with a good return policy and test it before the end of the return period. I've had some pretty annoying issues with a few of them.

[@bigtb1717]

Are you in the US?

[@anthonymatais7135]

@@bigtb1717 no😅 that's my problem

[@jcgm26]

First I want to thank you since I was about to buy the ORDRO HDR-AC5 Camcorder in a special one and after seeing your video made me not do it. I was going to buy that camera because I saw that it can be used with OBS as if it were a webcam and connect directly to the computer via USB without the need for a video recorder ... but now I would like you to do me the favor of helping me by recommending one. camera similar in terms of characteristics to the ORDRO AC5 .. that has optical zoom and good quality and can be used with OBS USB connection so that it does not generate delay with audio. somewhat low in price but very good quality. Thank you very much in advance for your valuable help

[@bigtb1717]

I use a simple HDMI to USB capture device, which can be used with virtually any camcorder these days using the HDMI out on the camcorder. Is that not an option for you? The generic cameras all seem to be based on webcams or maybe those cheap wi-fi cameras that were popular a while back. So most of them work directly as USB webcams. Some brand-name camcorders can be made to work as webcams directly over USB, but unfortunately, not very many, and it usually requires extra software to make work.

[@tennisthelegend]

Any suggestions for cheap high quality camcorders?

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget? Are you okay with something used? I've seen some decent deals on some used camcorders occasionally, though with how difficult some things are to get right now, there may be fewer deals out there. In terms of new, both the Canon HF R800 and the Sony CX-405 are much better than any Ordro. The Canon has a bit better feature set including an audio input jack, while I think the Sony has a tiny bit better video quality.

[@tennisthelegend]

@@bigtb1717 My budget is 300, and I don't mind used products

[@bigtb1717]

For $300 you could get either the Canon HF R800 or the Sony CX-405. Depending on what you want to do with the camera, even something like the DJI Osmo Action might work for you.

[@mygisable]

Thanks, I almost bought one. Have you tried them in low light environment?

[@bigtb1717]

I have. Some of them have IR "night vision." I have tested several in this capacity. I've also just used some of them in low light in general. They have two weaknesses. One is image noise and general detail loss. That is expected, and only a little worse than other cheap cameras like cheap point and shoot cameras, or the very cheapest, name brand camcorders. But the other major limitation they have is the maximum gain/ISO. There are times when a cheap point and shoot, cheap brand name camcorder, etc., will give a not great, but totally visible image in low light, and the generic/Ordro cameras will be recording a pure black image.

[@mygisable]

@@bigtb1717 Thank you for your reply.

[@cactusstudiossouth]

Very Accurate discription, I had one from Amazon it's 4K video was terrible!

[@tonypagan8852]

Im trying find one for my 16 year old daughter whats a good cheap camra thats good for you tube vlogs

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget?

[@thatguywecalldana]

Found this a little too late. Wish I would have done more research on the Ordro ac3. Works well enough for normal outdoor shooting with my own mic but in the office for creating content it sucks hard. Blurry

[@1965peyton]

Thank you I appreciate your review it stopped me buying crap 👍

[@deomemann3182]

Can you please review Komery rx200 4K and rx100 4K? They look to be better than vid cameras 4k out there.

[@bigtb1717]

I haven't tested that exact model, but one extremely similar. It was virtually the same as many of the other cameras I've tested, just in a different case (one that copies the look of some JVC camcorders). It was the same, low quality stuff.

[@bigtb1717]

After looking into the RX200 a bit more I think it's different enough that I'm going to take a look. First of all, it straight up rips off the look of a Canon camcorder. Also, some of the features seem different. So I ordered one and will be reviewing it. In fact, the first one already arrived, but it was either a return or something strange. It had a random, Chinese language AAA battery just loose in the box, no remote, no SD card, no cables, no charger, and the little cover door over the ports was broken off and just laying in the box. Also, there was a random, empty plastic bag in the box. So I'm waiting on a replacement.

[@deomemann3182]

@@bigtb1717 it would be very nice if you could do a test for this camera. I read and ordered too. Indeed, it seems to be much better than other models.👍👍

[@bigtb1717]

@@deomemann3182 I'll definitely be giving it a review. So far it seems to be very similar to others, just a new form factor. But we'll see.

[@jimmyman99]

Thnx for a review, but you got the prices wrong. Currently ORDRO HDR-AC2 goes for $150 CAD on Amazon. Cheapest Canon SX620 HS goes for $240 CAD and I could not find a reliable number for Fuji xp130, I'm guessing its severely outdated

[@bigtb1717]

Yeah, since I did this video lockdowns happened, online meetings exploded, camcorders went out of stock all over the place and prices went up significantly. Edit: Does the Canadian Amazon site have an AC2? In the US, there is no AC2, just an AC3, and it is still listed at well over $200 US.

[@bigtb1717]

However, I still think these cameras are poor quality and overpriced. They also blatantly lie about many of the specs and features.

[@jimmyman99]

@@bigtb1717 I agree, even though it costs half of the alternative you suggested, this is not the type of savings that I would go for. The stabilization, or rather lack of it, completely turns me off. I am looking for something good quality (1080p/4k) with night vision within 200-300 range. Any suggestions are welcome

[@bigtb1717]

Unfortunately, you won't likely get anything in that price range with "night vision" outside of the generic cameras. I'm actually testing out a few night vision cameras to make a video coming up soon. What are your expectations for night vision in a camcorder and what are you hoping it will allow you to do? I only ask because depending on what your needs/priorities are, you may or may not benefit much from it.

[@jimmyman99]

@@bigtb1717 my needs are just taking family videos, often in low light. Currently I'm using my Google pixel 2 XL to do that but it's full and the card is not removable. I like the idea of having a large storage card, filling it up with family videos and photos and replacing it as it fills up. I can do that with a phone, but it has more maintenance because I can't just replace the storage card

[@tonyellis9616]

I've learned a valuable late lesson. Before I order anything from anywhere that I've haven't had personal experience with. I'm goggling to see the videos about them first. Man they got me. No let me rephrase that I got myself. SMH 😡😡!

[@digipo2439]

I also bought an ordro camcorder, I think the performance is very good in all aspects, not as bad as you said. Moreover, I watched your other videos, if their products are true as you said, then why do you buy so many of their products? Although you keep saying that it is for other consumers not to be fooled, I feel that your purpose is not so simple.

[@bigtb1717]

Since you are posting this identical comment on all my videos, I will keep asking you which model you have. I am genuinely curious to hear your justification for saying that ALL aspects of performance are VERY GOOD. And honestly, if you want people to buy these cameras for some reason (the fact that you have an online retail store based in HK definitely doesn't have anything to do with it, right?) I think the best way to convince people I'm wrong would be to tell everyone which model you have and why it's good. Extol the virtues of the Ordro camera you have and convince people it's worth the money.

[@SianaGearz]

China camcorders were almost worth considering when they were like $30, not $300, 10 years ago, and if you were OK with footage and sound being close to junk. I wonder if there are better ones by now, but hunting for one isn't going to be easy, and this one seems kinda close to the same quality grade as maybe something for $50 way back then. Sad. I bet the lack of IR-cut filter is responsible for most of this camera's colour weirdness, and with one it would be able to capture fairly faithful colour that more closely resembles something off a point and shoot, even if not ideally; but it's probably also its best feature, severely reducing noise and maybe even giving it a weak semblance of night mode. Also with an IR-pass filter, you could make some magical surreal videos and pictures outdoors. The piece of pot metal in the back? I am more lenient towards that. Chances are, the added weight makes it easier to keep stable, given that it has no active stabilisation features at all.

[@bigtb1717]

It actually does have an IR filter when recording normally. It physically moves it out of the light path when you engage IR mode. You can see and hear it slide out of the way when you turn IR mode on. In terms of actually using the camera, the block of metal doesn't hurt anything. But I can't help but feel like the reason that block of metal was added was to reduce returns during the 30 day window on Amazon by giving the camera a better first impression of quality. With how dishonest so much of the marketing is around this camera, I can't imagine they put that block of metal in there for the minuscule effect it would have on stability. I suppose I could be wrong, but they did print 64x zoom on this camera in three places and it has way less than that. So I can't help but assume shady motives.

[@bigtb1717]

I reviewed a "ghost hunting" camera, which was basically an Ordro AC3 that included an IR flashlight. The IR mode works a bit better on this camera because this camera has a brighter max exposure, but you can check out that video if you want to see how the full color IR mode looks in the daylight. Spoiler, a whole lot of pink. Kinda cool, but nothing like the fascinating IR photos I find online when I search for IR photography.

[@SianaGearz]

@@bigtb1717 The image that this camera makes looks like half way between "normal" and "full colour night mode", as if the IR cut filter, even when engaged, is extremely low quality or maybe there's just an ambient IR leak around it. Also i think for the outdoor magic you need to block out the visible light and just let the IR through. I heard of various ways to do that, like combining specific colour gels or layers of black exposed processed colour film. I have sourced a small amount of such film, just enough to replace the IR cut filter in a webcam, i was actually building a motion tracking device, but i've run into some framerate control weirdness, i'll probably need a better webcam than the 480p $3 aliexpress special, but i don't exactly want to sacrifice my good Logitech C920 to science.

[@bigtb1717]

Could be something like that. In this video I used auto white balance. The color is sometimes more natural when in "daylight" mode, but still not perfect.

[@sebastianbravo8829]

@@bigtb1717 My Ordro AC3 sometimes makes that Pink images and i don't know why... it just happens, I turn it on and the images are all pink. Even if I remove the battery, restore setings, there's no way back. It stops after one hour of use... how can you turn it off?

[@markcarter6333]

You are right on all counts. Got me one, 300 and 50 something, in pounds, sterling. Sent it right back. My first camera phone takes better pictures. Wish I had checked out youtube before.

[@Franciscooooo]

What camera would be good for blogging in 1080 p ??

[@bigtb1717]

What is your budget? What features will be important? Continuous record times, zoom, close focus, image stabilization, low light?

[@Franciscooooo]

@@bigtb1717 oh it’s ok. I found one ima but it’s the Panasonic LUMIX FZ300 Long Zoom Digital Camera Features . Last night I didint know anything about witch camera to buy but I did research and found one I like . Thanks you tho

[@bigtb1717]

I've tested that camera and it's pretty good. Good image quality, stabilization and it has an audio jack with decent quality. Cheers!

[@TheMightyCookieShow]

Yea if you combine the horizontal and vertical resolutions...thats where they get their 4k claim. Should be illegal. That be I g said...i still might get one. 30 years in the film and tv i industries. I kinda wanna see if all that experience can make a cam like this work. At the very least though...maybe behind the scenes camera...

[@bigtb1717]

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure someone could use an Ordro and make it work to record something interesting. My main issue is that a used, 10 year old Canon camcorder does a much better job. Or a current Sony or Canon camcorder for around the same cost. Or a decent action camera. I don't like the lies and misrepresented specs (not just the resolution either), but if someone just likes the almost retro look to the video and find one for $75-$100, have at it. But the quality really doesn't go up much as the price goes beyond $100 or so, and once you get near or even above $200, I think they are a terrible value.

[@bigtb1717]

If you do get one, it would be interesting to see what you come up with.

[@ImDaManOk66]

they almost had me...........thanks for sharing.. whats a good 300 dollar 2.7k or 4k ???

[@bigtb1717]

There are some decent 4K action cameras for that price, but a good 4K camcorder will be tough to get for $300. The Panasonic FZ300 is 4K pretty good, but it is $400 and is a "bridge" camera, not a camcorder. Are you looking for a camcorder form factor? I just posted a video comparing a bunch of different cameras for video, including the FZ300.

[@larshbn]

I wanted to buy one of these for recording skateboarding it doesnt have to be 4k or something but are they still worth it for 200€

[@bigtb1717]

In my opinion, not at all. The quality is poor, there is no stabilization and the company is dishonest. I'm not sure what the market is like where you are, but in the US, even cameras that cost far less offer better quality and features.

[@i.q.sandrozuniga3593]

You got any good choices to this camcorder? Thank you.

[@bigtb1717]

Are you in the US? Depending on what is available in your area, the Sony CX-405 and Canon HF R800 are both far better than any Ordro I've tested.

[@marcelwo4jedynki]

first result in my google search for ordro, thank you for the honest video

[@keiththompson2337]

omg thankyou so much a friend recomended i get an ordro but i thought better and i am glad i did now thanks again

[@bluechaoz8985]

What camera you are using in this video.

[@bigtb1717]

Are you asking about the camera used to record at the desk? That was a Sony A6400.