Don't Buy The Wrong Optic For Your Rifle

Don't get the wrong optic for your needs and chosen environment. There are so many great optics out there in the market today from red dots to full power optics in just about every price point. Many buy stuff on a default status for one reason or another not taking the time to really think about what the rifle is going to be used for, specifically what distance. We get questions all the time about this and figured it would be best to just do a video covering the baseline of why.
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[@davidschlageter5962]

40% humidity and shooting sounds pretty good right now vs 92 degrees and 100% humidity cleaning up after a hurricane 🙂

[@Mako-sz4qr]

Right ! We in Florida would welcome 40% humidity any day. Today it’s 85 with 96% humidity 😂

[@IronInfidel]

115 and humidity is a different level.

[@MasqUp]

I've watched hundreds or more videos on this subject as many others have too. I really appreciate your straightforward breakdown and case scenarios (all legitimate and correct in my opinion) it is one of the best videos, brief, to the point and allows the viewer to the take the path that suit their particular needs. Live life feeling blessed!

[@IronInfidel]

I appreciate that.

[@joesashiify]

I like that you don't beat around the bush with info. Thank you brother. 👍

[@IronInfidel]

Much appreciated.

[@Spartan_029]

Really good info. Too many people try to make one optic do it all. This is a great reference for getting in the right mindset of what an individual really needs.

[@IronInfidel]

There is often do it most kind of set up or do it all poorly if your not running magnified with offsets or something like that.

[@sd04dave1]

Great breakdown and overview of the concerns one should be considering when choosing an optical setup. Keep doing what you doing

[@IronInfidel]

Much appreciated.

[@mikewithers299]

Good info for those who still dont know the difference between the 2. I went with 2 separate uppers. One to run lpvo and one for red dot. Always straight up content ❤

[@IronInfidel]

Good way to go.

[@frankA0302]

I made the mistake of putting on an Eotech not knowing about the astigmatism issue. Still have it, going to switch to a prism or lpvo.

[@VeryFastRodi]

I didnt know if i had an astigmastism after visiting a trade show and trying out differnent dots, I kinda figured i had 😂. At the same time i tried some prism scopes for the first time, and that was right away a very clear difference. After that i got the Primary Arms 1x Microprism, a very great little prism scope. Dont have to use illumination but the option is there which is nice (and it can get really bright), And no issue for my eyes keeping a clear reticle what so ever, plus they are not super expensive which is nice also. Tried out a cheap magnifier (clone) and even that worked great. So i am gonna match it with a Primary Arms micro magnifier end of the year.

[@IronInfidel]

Eye issues will definitely have an effect of the clarity of dot's.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I spent a ton on my Cobalt Kinetics 6.5 Grendel with the fiber optic barrel to the Vortex 1-10 HD glass, to the ACRO P2 off set red dot to ceracoating the rifle and dura mags, ammunition, Ranger wrapping the optics, and adding a bipod. The only thing left is to find an effective silencer that won’t have me scrapping trees when carrying through the woods.

[@SavageHeliosOne]

How much are you into it now?...

[@MrKingArthurhk]

@@SavageHeliosOne Right about 8K

[@cbrooks2767]

Man, no one has fiber optic barrels in stock anywhere!

[@MrKingArthurhk]

@@cbrooks2767 I meant to say fiber wrapped barrel. Auto correct has been playing with me.

[@IronInfidel]

That's a pricey rig.

[@dennisbarrett6148]

Well thought out. Well spoken. Informative. What more can you ask?

[@IronInfidel]

Much appreciated.

[@wisesage3289]

Thanks great info. I would be interested in a review of scope mounts discussing weight, quick detach and such.

[@IronInfidel]

Good idea.

[@dalestark3343]

Oh the ability to have so many useful tools! Nice Vid Mike!

[@IronInfidel]

All the tools.

[@VeryFastRodi]

For my 12 inch AR, i am super happy with my Primary Arms 1x Microprism and tried out a little using a cheap magnifier with it. Will be getting a matching Primary Arms 3x micro magnifier for it, for me shooting distances here in my part of Europe are well under 300M. So it makes the most sense set up wise for me and gives me a great general purpose rifle for doing some competitions and or more tactical training. And of course to just have fun with 😁, while keeping it as simple and lightweight as needed.

[@IronInfidel]

Distance is the deciding factor for sure.

[@Cstang505]

Shout out for rockin the special edition Legion Gatorz! I’ve been sporting those, myself.

[@IronInfidel]

Love those.

[@NoahDollarSign]

Thanks man!!!

[@IronInfidel]

No problem.

[@frankopanklaric]

Started with an lpvo then tried the dot+magnifier. Two years later I am back to the lpvo. The glass and reticle is just too nice. I can live with the weight. I don't understand offset red dots. That is what the 1x is for. I don't compete.

[@IronInfidel]

LPVO's definitely have their place.

[@racerdude888]

Good info as usual

[@IronInfidel]

Much appreciated.

[@mrchubbyfella9421]

Definitely not getting 12-15k hours of battery life from an Eotech 😂

[@NoahDollarSign]

😅

[@IronInfidel]

Battery life is never real.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I have an Aimpoint Wyatt magnifier on my DD SBR with a silencer and bootleg BCG. A 400,00 two Stamp setup.

[@craigandersen2476]

What’s a Wyatt magnifier?

[@MrKingArthurhk]

@@craigandersen2476 Behind the red dot and can be removed if necessary.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

@@craigandersen2476Another auto correct. An Aimpoint Magnifier as well

[@IronInfidel]

Solid.

[@warrenharrison9490]

Your arms are back 💪💪

[@IronInfidel]

Been a long road of recovery. Had several major set backs in a row.

[@mikefinnegan3241]

Mike, love that Griffen Armament 14.5! I too have a 14.5 build out from Aero Precision and I’m running the Vortex Venom. I just purchased it, I must ask you how you like it? I personally think for the price, it’s one of the best bangs for the buck in a scope. Love what you’re doing out there bro! Keep doing what you do, love the content…

[@IronInfidel]

Much appreciated man. The Griffin had to go back for warranty work unfortunately.

[@warrenharrison9490]

Astigmatism and red dot = 🔆 for me, and its not consistent between different ones of the same model/manufacturer.

[@IronInfidel]

Yup. me as well. Some are definitely worse than others.

[@SavageHeliosOne]

Hi Mike, do you have a long term worst case scenario set up? Like if solar storms hit and we are sent back to the stone age where nothing electrical will work? I have a solar charging green dot (SCRS) i will eventually piggyback it on top of an lpvo and i have a light that can charge with a solar power bank, i also need emp bags to put them in and can withstand the flare or emp.

[@tylerlichon9529]

Get a prism optic! You won’t have to worry about batteries dying or electronics going out from an EMP with an etched reticle.

[@patb7723]

​@@tylerlichon9529I got a 3x30 prism also and can easily make hits out to 200 or 300 yards

[@tylerlichon9529]

@@patb7723 hell yeah I love primary arms. I’m using their slx 1x and 1-6x lpvo at the moment, I really contemplated getting the 3x but saw a review that said the eye relief was harder to work with when compared to it’s big brother trijicon acog. If only those didn’t cost $1400… I’m really interested in the glx 2x though. Prism optics ftw. Safe shooting fella!

[@patb7723]

​@@tylerlichon9529 definitely and nice I just running a swampfox trihawk but it's pretty beefy and robust

[@IronInfidel]

Well for something like that scopes are etched reticle so they will always work. Plus I have a variety of optics I can choose from at any given time if something is changing.

[@seanomeirs8362]

Age or vision acuity is my determining factor for my students. My father (83) can't even see 300 yards now. He qualified as expert when he was 17 in the Army, and hitting targets with iron sights. I have every option available for people to try and experience before they even think about what they might need for their specific purpose.

[@jerrymayo4571]

that is great, how fortunate for those customers

[@IronInfidel]

Aging eyes is always a huge factor.

[@J.Young808]

I have an Atibal Optics 1-10x32 LPVO on my 16.1” LWRCi M6IC DI AR, on my lightweight 13.9”p&w upper I have a Holosun ACSS and 3x magnifier (ftc). I don’t have anywhere I can shoot over 100 yards on the island I live on. I was thinking of getting something like a 2-12 or 3-15 to put on my LWRCi.

[@IronInfidel]

Leupold 2-10 has adjustable parallax. which at distance makes a lot of difference.

[@8551-w5v]

I zero my 16" at 30 yards and it impacts 3-4" high at 100 yards. 1" high at 200 and dead on at 300. I use a bolt gun for stand-off distances. 400-1K. The .300 WinMag.

[@IronInfidel]

Each optic and mount height will vary but it is definitely a good thing to know.

[@GldenRetriever]

I run the March FX 1.5-15x42. 0-1000y capable. 1.5x is good enough for CQB. 15x is good enough for PID out to 500y (if the weather allows). Dual Focal Plane, so best of both worlds. simple crosshair and center dot at 1x with a usable grid at 8-15x. Weight is lighter than some LPVOs (like 1-8 credo). Length is shorter than some LPVOs (like 1-8 credo). Adjustable parallax. Best in class eyebox and light transmission when compared to any LPVO at their max magnification (6x, 8x, 10x). There are plenty of cons and the price is hard to swallow, but like you, I want to max performance I can get and there is nothing better in its class. Bonus points is I run it on an LMT MRP, so anything that can be chambered in an AR15 (22lr, 9mm, 556, 6arc, 50bw, etc), is only a 45-90 seconds away with a simple torque wrench.

[@frankopanklaric]

That's a nice optic.

[@GldenRetriever]

@@frankopanklaric It really is. Could be a lot nicer though, but it's only a matter of time.

[@IronInfidel]

Oh man MARCH optics are top titty.

[@johnnixon2504]

Man. We just had a 7 hour range day on 9/29 and it was freaking 102 degrees.

[@IronInfidel]

Long day man.. I have been there.

[@roninky8012]

What cheek riser are you using?

[@IronInfidel]

SC irregulars.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I was wondering why it’s been months since you made a video in months.

[@iPaintCars_215]

I was wondering about why I was wondering the same thing I was wondering

[@IronInfidel]

Agency I was with tried to silence me.

[@nkoutelos]

What chest rig are you running?

[@IronInfidel]

A very budget friendly acetac version.

[@AZCactusTac]

Now would a ACOG fit into these three types of optics. Are they their own class of optic?

[@IronInfidel]

Acog is another magnified choice.

[@MarkRose-s9l]

Love your videos. Love your presentations. Where you been lately? LPVO - Heavy, strict eye box, fragile. Extreme scenario, but will you have time to adjust back to 1X? Better to use a fixed power scope if you must. Lighter, more robust. Perhaps an even better solution is a magnified prism and an RDS. Lighter, less fragile. The Prism mounted offset, RDS at 12:00. Distance is time. If you need the RDS, it should be placed in the most familiar position IMO. I'm a T1/T2 fanboy. However, I've recently mounted a 1X Prism with a 3X magnifier behind it on one of my AR-10s. Lighter, excellent eye box, rugged. The Prism gives me etchings for hold-overs (sorta), better than just a dot. Will never run an open emitter RDS. With a holstered pistol, the RDS is sitting cup up. Same same with a rifle being carried muzzle down.

[@IronInfidel]

I was being silenced by my agency so I retired.

[@hulley5223]

Love those tactical beef sticks.

[@IronInfidel]

Soo good

[@hopewilliams6705]

How are you liking the BOG tripod?

[@IronInfidel]

They are ok for basic budget set ups.

[@hopewilliams6705]

@IronInfidel I just adapted mine to a reasonable Amazon 54mm ball head and arca and it's way better now

[@xciteful]

Is your scalarworks mount for the Vortex a 1.5 or a 1.93?

[@IronInfidel]

The scope mount is from griffin its 1.52 eight. The red dot mount I use on the aimpoint pattern are usually 1.93 for red dots.

[@jerrymayo4571]

Where is the Gear List? See it named/printed at top, - but no site to go to, nothing to click on?

[@IronInfidel]

Sorry we will have to update that.. We had a web issue.

[@samuelfuentes3955]

What happened to tactical considerations

[@warrenharrison9490]

I'm guessing the current YT algorithms and rules affected the existing library of videos and new drops.

[@IronInfidel]

I am just hired help here. I still do my main channel.

[@georgefloydsinhellwbreonna5330]

I don’t think your water bottle’s big enough big dawg. RLTW! Correction, battle bottle.

[@IronInfidel]

Much appreciated. RLTW!.

[@TTime685]

Recently got my first rifle, an 18" Ruger MPR and I have no idea how to set it up.. 😌 Obviously I would think more long range. LPVO or scope

[@charlesl5226]

Start with a red dot, light, and sling. Get good with that first. Learn the gun. Then you can always sell that dot and trade up.

[@b.a_charlie2228]

I mean skip the dot. Get a scope for that 18 inches

[@IronInfidel]

for an 18 I'd say make it an SPR with a scope.

[@leileijoker8465]

I don't think any model of Eotech has battery life more than 1.5k hours.

[@IronInfidel]

Did I say that wrong.

[@tractormanx5954]

When did we start calling eye relief, eye box? 🙄

[@IronInfidel]

Since forever

[@Sheppard2030]

👍👍

[@IronInfidel]

thanks.

[@SavageHeliosOne]

My fear is to get shot by a rifle with an off set red dot instead of piggyback

[@IronInfidel]

Well my fear is just being shot .

[@SavageHeliosOne]

@@IronInfidel 😂🤣

[@jmwest89]

What happened to tac cons dude?

[@IronInfidel]

I am just hired help over here man.. I still have my main channel.

[@KretinD]

If you just want one gun, (how dare you) i like a 14.5 with a red dot+ mag or an lpvo. If you want 2 guns, get an 11.5" with a red dot in a 1.93 mount and an 18" with an mpvo 3+ is where id be comfortable for larping

[@KretinD]

In west Michigan my local range maxes out at 90 yards 💪

[@IronInfidel]

Have them all.

[@iPaintCars_215]

Are u really complaining about 40% humidity??

[@IronInfidel]

When it gets to 115+ yes

[@andrebiswah9241]

Can't mention the .45 without talking about the Moros of the Philippines!

[@IronInfidel]

Gotcha.