DON'T DO THIS WITH NEARFIELD MONITORS! | Streaky.com

[@MOTOTravelUK]

Well, mine on a bit of foam next to my iMac. Vibration and resonance make no difference at low volume, So just don't overcook it. I mix for 35 years and quite frankly It makes me smile with all this over the top gear porn. I don't even use much room acoustics anymore. We don't mix loud anymore, and we don't overdub behind the desk anymore. So for the average bloke. Just get on with the job and don't wonder too much. Remember, if it sounds right it is right. And nobody cares how you did it. Every penny not spent is money in your pocket. 👍

[@inlovingmemoryofdouglasmul5216]

Good advice, but what do u mean you don't overdub behind the desk anymore?

[@TheLiraRock]

Man Thankyou I LOVE this!!!

[@TheLiraRock]

I wanna Know too

[@who_is_dis]

I kinda agree with you, but even at low volumes it makes a difference. Done it myself. From good quality foam platforms on a desk, to downsizing the desk, getting decent stands with pucks, it made a noticeable improvement.

[@devaplan]

Generally good advice except at 3.50. The speaker cabinets are not supposed to move backwards and forwards at all as this partly cancels the movement of the cone, which is the only thing that should move. Blu tac ( Now White tac) is great for fixing and slightly decoupling the speakers from the top of the stand.Also get the tweeters at ear level. You can try tilting the speakers upwards if they are below this height so they fire into your ears. This also helps to time align the tweeter with the centre of the main cone. You can also get small desktop speaker stands or even use one or more brick paviors. Experiment with spacing and toe in too. This can make a huge difference. Oh and use a subwoofer.

[@frankfarago2825]

Yeah. I almost fell of my armchair when the chap said that the monitor should be moving forwards and backwards. Whaaaat? Dude, it is the DRIVER MEMBRANE (CONE) that moves forward and backwards. Not the monitor's cainet. That should stay rock solid in one place, do not have it move even one-hundredth of a milimeter, really. Gee-whiz, Louise.

[@warpacademy]

Generally a very good video, but agreed on this front. You actually want the monitor seated on something very heavy and solid, then decoupling underneath that. This is why I like the Primacoustic Recoil Stabilizers. They use a heavy steel plate with a non-slip layer on top, then heavy isolation material underneath that. Foam is the last thing anyone should be using, as it has too much movement and compromises transient response.

[@zpurpz]

I put spikes right thru the big cone driver on my speaker. Sometimes adding chop sticks into my tweeters gives it a nice woody WARMTH :)

[@MrJueKa]

I have had very good experiences with simple hard rubber feet (see furniture glides) available in different sizes from the hardware store to seperate loudspeakers or hifi devices from any surfaces ... I also built my own speaker stands from solid square timber and solid wood panels, everything sawn to fit at a hardware store ... so it doesn't have to be expensive to work the most important thing not to do with studio monitors is to use them as loudspeakers for the hi-fi system in the living room, they are not meant for that

[@waynefarrellvoiceovers]

Great video. I try to drill this into every new kid that comes to me talking about making a home studio. The whole project needs to be build around the desk. If the desk is too wide, then speaker stands are going to keep your monitors too far away from your ears. Yes, you can still get an equilateral triangle but the monitors will be quite far away. Near field means 3 to 4 feet away from your ears, not six or seven feet away behind the desk, or too far wide on the sides. The solution is a custom made desk from a local carpenter that is as deep as a proper desk but tapered from wide to narrow from front to back. It will cost you less than a store bought desk and you'll be able to stick your monitors on stands right where they should be. And yes, IsoAcoustic absorbers make a huge difference.

[@richardtaylor8363]

what i did for my ATC's was filled four pole steel stands spiked into the floor, and on top after testing various things blu-tac to interface between cabinet and the stand top plate. it provides a very strong stiff connection to the stand and is much better than what this guys is suggesting, better than top spikes also. you don't need to isolate the speaker cabinet from the stand, you need to have it bonded to a very stiff very heavy stand that is then isolated from the floor. try it out and have a listen...

[@jimmypete6444]

Richard Taylor which atc do you have :)

[@frankfarago2825]

Exactly. You can isolate the STAND. Or not isolate the stand but isolate the MONITOR palced on the top plate of the stand. The KZbinr here seems to promote DOUBLE-ISOLATION, first the stand, then also the monitor sitting on the stand. What for?

[@MichelWesterhoff]

I use the Isoacoustics to seperate my HS8's from my desk. 200% tighter bass and more clarity

[@callmetarif]

Which ones are you using? :)

[@PharaohLawLess1]

I have the Iso Acoustic stands. I guess they work. I’m using KRK Rocket Generation 2

[@thesleepstate]

Sorbothane ... cheap and designed for absorbing audio vibrations..!

[@thesleepstate]

@larsaskogstad Hate to wound nice cabinets but my current speaker stands have spikes to sit the speakers on - decoupling alternative. I found it tightens the audio up _with these particular speakers_. I guess the theory goes some absorption/floatation methods can introduce sympathetic resonances that smear the time domain? Not sure really, speaker mounting seems to in the realm of Dark Arts :D

[@thesleepstate]

@larsaskogstad I am on solid concrete ground, and these speakers are very heavy for their size, solid hardwood with lots of internal bracing. I think maybe that makes the difference in this case, the rigidity in the columns right through to the speaker cabinets allows the drivers to punch in and out without generating resonance. Things blur when using dampening _with this setup_. Put a coin on edge, or feather touch when playing DEEP and LOUD.. nothing moves or can be felt with the Focals! YMMV and I've had monitors that benefit from sorbothane. PS I wrote the first software ABX comparator :)

[@repenthouse]

I use spikes on the bottom of my stands and spikes on the speaker bottoms. And it decouples nicely from the stand any frequency resonates ..

[@drampadreg1386]

You can mount your stands on a 5" box of 3/4" plywood, fill it with sand and put the rubber off an old tread mill etc. as the top surface, then put your speaker stands on them so they are decoupled from the floor. Lead shot is great, but studios stopped using it because of the health issues, even in clyclorama curtains where the lead was impregnated in vinyl. Damn shame, it was amazing for soundproofing (and Roman aqueducts) but sand can be cheap and useful, the formula for soundproofing and decoupling is dense and limp materials. sand is about 1 1/2 tonnes per meter squared! Several pickup trucks will tell you this after breaking leaf springs. Hope you keep these videos going for years to come! Always useful and informative. Thanks Streaky, I know where to go for my mastering.

[@tonybucks5709]

5 mins to say something you could have said in 30 seconds. SMH.

[@TheGurner1]

There's a way achieving some isolation and firmness for the speaker, I don't know how it compares to the 'official' ways - make 4 'peas' of Blu-Tac and use those, be warned if you leave them for years they will likely take a chunk out of the finish if you try to get them off though ;-)

[@zeefour]

HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT MY SPEAKERS WERE SNAZZY?....FUCKIN GREAT SHOUT SON

[@BenjaminOldenburg]

I don’t trust the whole speaker should move thing… I actually want the cabinet to move as little as possible, the air should be moved. Something has to counter the momentum: mass of the stand. So first you fill your stand with toxic lead then you take its weight out of the equation by using isopods? Are you sure that’s an improvement?

[@MarcoVialeBakmaind]

I’ve to say that my PSIs sounds really a lot better since I’ve put them on isoacustics pucks. Not a bit better but a lot better! I’m impressed!

[@frankfarago2825]

First advice: if you are situated on Floor 35 or above, do not throw your monitors out the window.

[@behemothinferno]

I don't have space for stands behind my computer desk and use isoacoutic stands on my desk for my nearfields. Is that good enough or not?

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

behemothinferno same issue. If I put them on stands they would be where the corner bass traps are. And if I pull out my desk I’d be sitting dead center in the room which is no bueno. I have a fairly full GIK acoustics treatment (corner traps, back wall, behind the desk, 1st and 2nd reflection points, and one cloud panel for ceiling 1st reflection). Monitors are Mackie HR824MKII. I had the 624s in here but didn’t get the low end extension I needed (I produce techno with lots of deep warehouse style kicks so I need that sub 50hz). My house is a piece of shit with thin drywall and next to no insulation so Sonarworks has really helped with that massive resonance at 115hz. My monitors are on the desk in proper arrangement with the thick auralex pads underneath. With all that I’m getting a really great sound in here. Sounds scary good. But still sometimes have issues with the car test or too much bass when played on the club

[@KarlGutowski]

You should have to ask if it's good enough. You should listen to your speakers. Try with and without. For me, Isoacoustics made a dramatic difference in stereo separation and clarity and tightness of mids and bass. My monitors used to stand on books and stacks of mouse pads.

[@joshsmith7812]

@@geraldgoodiii6993 I'm also a Techno producer, similer set up mate. Except I use the JBL LSR305. My studio is tiny, and my house also has very thin walls and my sound often annoys my neighbours, (I wish I had neighbours that liked listening to loud techno kicks the whole night😂) in the future I plan to get some high end '8 monitors but for now in my small room that already generates enough noise to upset my neighbours, (not intentionally of course) these work just fine, they translate really well for me. Low end in techno is super important but I always cut everything under 20hz so there's space for the low end that you actually want, that super low end isn't much of a bass you head but more of a bass you feel, if you take out too much the track will indeed sound thin, but it's just finding the right balance between heavy low end and also space for everything else in the mix.

[@frankfarago2825]

@@geraldgoodiii6993 Living here in Central Europe in a centuries old "castle", the walls here are 85 cm thick and all stone. Covered with wood panels and tapestries. Not too shabby, really.

[@bmc2266]

HI Streaky, when you talk about foam isolation for monitors, would you qualify the primacoustic recoil stabilizer in this categorie or you are referencing the one with only foam. I'm rebuilding my studio and I'm wondering if I should upgrade to pucks or keep my primacoustic and put them on a stand instead of the desk as I was doing before.

[@1-0-8]

Blue Tack always helps to secure speakers to strands

[@klubstompers]

Bet $1000 i could blind fold you, bring you into the studio, and do a sound test with speakers on pucks, and speakers on a pile of shit, and you couldn't hear the difference. You might be able to smell the difference, but you cant smell it through the mix, so it does not matter.

[@johnsweda2999]

Acoustic foam is fine that's what it's meant for or rockwool I think you've been taken in by marketing

[@Battlescar9685]

My car door speakers resonate with my 4 speed gear box.. Streaky..... is that your name? You make me laugh 😂😂

[@compoundaudio]

i got the iso acustic 155 stands and it changed the sound in a better way. tighter low end. sharper mids . one of the best investments made foe the room

[@clivemathieu9386]

So anti-gravity is what I’m after.. sweet

[@klubstompers]

Hang them from the ceiling in an elastic cargo net.

[@davidthom7127]

I found the best way to separate loudspeakers from the stands is to place a magazine between them.

[@Allan-et5ig]

Streaky, liked it (just bought Adam AX7's) and will buy stands. Curious though why lads at Abbey Road have their nearfields sitting on the old metering bridge?

[@1masterfader]

I hang my Adams from a coat rack so they can resonate naturally.

[@amanieux]

why not just foam blocs or free air bubble wrapper between the desk and the speaker ?

[@who_is_dis]

Doesn’t decouple as well

[@jimorgain63]

wtf what about those other speakers? what did he say that they were?

[@johnjohnson76830]

I can't imagine using my ADAM Audio T8V monitors without my IsoAcoustics ISO-200 stands.

[@kennylux]

"They're only about..." Me: oh nice, they're probably cheap, like 20-30$? "60 pounds, or $100" Me: 😐

[@DaveChips]

Suspended in the air... I'm gonna write that down... Could actually save some room space and better sound 😅😁

[@666Psyk666]

i cut my wifes (had two of them) heads off and used their torsos as speaker stands. sounds a little uncoordinated but I still like the result since it's super quiet in the house now.

[@chrisw7402]

I would have thought isolation pads between speaker and base would be better surely?

[@juansaladzar]

I hang my monitors from the ceiling with chains brah

[@mitcheltheelenmusic8858]

In have a small room (64x121feet). When i have the monitors on stands, i can not get the stereo image right. So i put them on my desk with some isolation pads.

[@joshsmith7812]

You can get small desk stands like the ones streaky showed or also fluid audio makes some decent ones too.

[@tttrrriiipppyyy]

Small? do you mean inches?

[@frankfarago2825]

@@tttrrriiipppyyy Never mind him, just another troller.

[@emielzier]

This advise is super top tips

[@MediaMusik777]

Decoupling is key 🔑 word

[@MePeterNicholls]

I made my own stands

[@kollegedenkfehler2290]

Most important 💯

[@florinmoldovanu]

Pistorious have they let you go??

[@heathnott]

Mouse pad would do the same thing. Don't need spend anywhere near that amount of money for pucs or isoaccoustics.

[@RoelofdenOtter]

40euro speaker stands vonyx

[@DJActionVasquez]

Thumb's up just for using the word "snazzy." (Haven't heard that one since I was knee high to a horse's ass.)

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

speakers are good for decoupling, but i am a bad man, so i leave my subs coupled. sorry neighbors. the floor must move or else it didn’t really hit 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@timdorney3906]

My Isoacoustics don't have the name on them.

[@RoelofdenOtter]

Tripod

[@shahnewazmanto4798]

DO THIS WITH NEARFIELD MONITORS

[@mixplacetube]

Exactly....tired of this clickbait channel but it keeps showing up on my timeline.

[@Streaky_com]

Mixplace Online sorry

[@joshsmith7812]

@@mixplacetube I wouldn't say streaky click baits.

[@mixplacetube]

@@joshsmith7812 Ofcourse not.

[@mixplacetube]

@@Streaky_com Hahah, no prob! whatever gets u thru the night man!

[@skirwan78]

this guy "cringes" at anything home recording people do that isn't 4 million dollar studio quality. There's nothing with telling us how the pros do it and why they do it, but mocking anyone that doesn't drop 45,000$ on their setup as "cringe worthy" is pretentions AF.

[@treztracks]

What about laying the monitor on its side or woofers in or woofers out

[@joshsmith7812]

Only certain monitors can or should be placed sideways. Most studio monitors are designed to be placed vertically and not sideways, when they're sideways the tweeter and woofer are at the same level which can create comb filtering, less sweet spot, high frequencies are much more directional than low end ones. Before placing any monitor on their side, first see if that monitor is meant to be placed on its side or if the manufacturer says it can be, some monitors can be placed sideways or vertically however a lot of studio monitors are meant to be placed vertically only :)

[@psyborg1981]

I know a few more and better tips...lol

[@matbell1514]

What about books in-between surface and the speaker?

[@wce74wce15]

waffle

[@richardparsons]

Fucking clickbait. Sod off, mate🤣

[@ThreechTHEdruid]

just trow em to garbage and get gelecs best monitors money can buy and holds value^^

[@songwritertill8726]

👍🎵👍

[@BoernTilStede]

I am sorry but there is pretty much no evidence in this video. It is very much not scientific. Please show actual results and measurements next time.

[@LongshanMusic]

This video is nonsense.

[@maciekkk123]

I'm an Anorak

[@babayega1717]

So you mean to tell me that, somebody created a product specifically designed to hold your specific type of speakers, in their specific place.. and to do it right you have *buy yet ANOTHER* product, so you can *PHYSICALLY SEPARATE* them........... the products you JUST BOUGHT TO CONNECT EACH OTHER TO ??!?!!?!?? PLS WHAT?!? ? You people are funny ngl "expecting" me to have already been initiated in the common sense, that is buying a stand for my stand.. Jesus Christ