Don't Do This

[@globo5743]

This clearly written by an recruiter with no knowledge of the industry. You see this a lot in corporate job applications, written by an HR person who has no knowledge or basic understanding of what a department does and goes on writing without checking with the hiring manager the actual requirements

[@krisr3868]

Doesn't matter if it's a mega club or a smaller one, if I had a UEFA A (or pro) license, it would be a good old "fuck you, pay me" situation to actually coach.

[@Jojo.R.Chipelago]

This is a classic "entry level salary, at least 10 years work experience required" situation. Happens all the time in the tech industry, not sure if other workers see this in other industries, but from my experience, this is happening often, just not with this level of publicity.

[@kierendavidson3276]

This is absolutely absurd. First of all, I wouldn't want to work for Birmingham City even if they paid me to do it with no qualifications, but secondly, as you stated, it's a lot of time, and even more money to obtain. Currently, I have a Uefa C licence, two tiers below this, and that's taken me nearly 5 years to get experience and put the time in, before going for all the qualifications. In total I've already spent over £700 on coaching courses, and it only gets higher from there. The Pro licence is 10k I believe, and the course is 4 years I think. To ask someone who's put that much time and money into getting themselves into that position to work for free is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen a club do.

[@A22337]

Isn't UEFA C a pretty basic course that is open to basically everyone? UEFA B and A of course much more advanced but here I know about quite a few pretty inexperienced amateur/part-time coaches who finished those in their mid-twenties. But I'm in Sweden, I've heard there are a lot more barriers to courses in England.

[@kierendavidson3276]

@A22337 It is a basic course, and you're right, I'm 23 and have my Uefa C licence, it wasn't particularly difficult to get, my point was that I've spent (probably) more time than necessary getting to that point, but it's also expensive, which again was the point I was trying to get at. There's 4 courses you need to complete before it which are in the range of £50-150 each, then the C Licence was around 350 in total.

[@A22337]

@@kierendavidson3276 Ah I see. Are the courses good though? Do they add value compared to just practice coaching? Or is it more like you do the courses to get a licence, otherwise doors and career paths will close?

[@kierendavidson3276]

@A22337 The first 3 courses are essentially sitting in a zoom call for a few hours, listening to someone tell you how to coach, then at the end you get your qualifications. The C licence is a little bit different, split into 3 parts. Part 1 is listening to people talk on zoom, part 2 is some coursework you need to complete and part 3 is a practical assessment, where you're given a group of 14-18 players to work with for 20 minutes. It's a bit backwards at times, but all courses are required to complete in order to coach. Most clubs will fund the first 3-4 courses, as that's all that's required to coach U-18s and below.

[@currywurst7229]

Im confused. The Coach of the third tier team Im a Fan of did his license in 1 year. How is this possible?

[@DemocracySpreader]

A) a professional club is looking for unpaid labour. Gross. That’s my first take away. B) volunteer must have a UEFA A license. What? Why would any holder of this license give their skills away for free? C) if no one replies, will they get desperate enough to hire lower and lower skilled respondents? D) how long until Z applies to this position?

[@Braddowski]

Sounds like they had an ex-pro in mind externally who was working on a pro licence but had to leave their last club before completing it. For Birmingham to pay them expenses, training etc they would have needed to put up an advert to show fair recruiting practices.

[@michaelstein7510]

Yeah, this seems like the kind of job posting where they already know exactly the candidate they’re going to hire beforehand, and they just have to post out of transparency. Otherwise, this is pretty crazy. 😂

[@ichibaopac2860]

I was thinking the same. Whenever I play FM I regularly encourage my older players to take coaching courses and perhaps this is an ex-pro, their career may have been cut short by injury but still earning money, who is interested in a hybrid role of sorts.

[@swunglerd1261]

zealand referring to his friends as slimes is the funniest shit ever zealand is secretly a gangster and he just slipped up lmao

[@yerrboi6842]

Deadass I started dying when he said it

[@Mebsuta]

Also on the topic of licenses... I learned from the research of La Media Inglesa that England is one of the countries in which obtaining UEFA licenses is the hardest (few spots) and most expensive (sometimes 5 figures per course). Spain has like 5 times the amount of licensed coaches as England for example. And it's being considered by some English would-be coaches to just go abroad and get the degree sooner and cheaper on the rest of Europe then go back to England.

[@sloveniesta]

Remember kids: exposure is something you die of, not an acceptable method of payment for work.

[@lordpelagius5078]

can also be something that gets you sent to prison

[@HonestTom1892]

Wayne Rooney is free again 😂

[@whiterose902]

They are asking for higher coaching qualifications in a part time voluntary role for the kids than Wayne Rooney has - and they took him on as first team manager 🤣🤣🤣

[@TempusFugit366]

I reckon I can guess what really happened: someone in HR had to do a job posting, so they used the last job they'd posted for as a starting point, changed a few bits but not all and accidentally posted it. As soon as they noticed they took it down but unfortunately not soon enough. That's exactly the sort of stupid **** that happens in the corporate world, regardless of industry.

[@cstmollins]

Don't Don't run

[@Mebsuta]

It looks like those LinkedIn AI posts where the point is to get people to send CVs by advertising a fake job that doesn't exist. That way when you need to fill a lower position you have a long list of overqualified people who need a job and would have took more responsibility for the same money.

[@andrewsutherland7913]

My local club has an ex-manager from when they were in the Championship perform in a similar role. He does a few hours each week doing training sessions for nearby kids sides because he enjoys it.

[@dankchill]

This is almost as absurd as not going for a run like 2 months after completing a marathon

[@j.ackermann9110]

First thought was maybe that allows someone inexperienced to get some hours on the CV or something. Then I realized that requirement means that anyone who has it already is way past that. So they're just cheap. Classic job description, we want a highly experienced professional and we're gonna pay nothing for it. That shit should be illegal or at least you should be allowed to spit in the faces of people who decide thats a good idea.

[@JasonCliftJones]

Yeah, they have to be publicised. It's prob for a player such as Lukas Jutkiewicz who is doing their coaching badges (at least a UEFA B per LinkedIn), transitioning them towards the coaching staff ready for when they hang up their boots.

[@ellipticalsoul]

Great to see that getting "paid" in exposure is working it's way into football as well now. Cool country

[@maxl.b.m.y.g.5918]

Sounds like they want to hire Xabi Alonso as an unpaid assistant.

[@SMcCruz]

Ruben Amorim didn't have the license when he started managing at Sporting, and he came from Braga, one of the top teams in Portugal. It's not only expensive, but also extremely time consuming, which is why a lot of retiring players complain about that rule in Portugal. They don't have the time to start working on their license while still playing, which means that, to follow the rules, they'd have to be a couple of years without an income while spending a crazy amount of money to get the necessary licenses.

[@Rikoman17]

Ruben Amorim only had the uefa b license when he started at sporting

[@Rikoman17]

And João Pereira that was manager for a bit and it's going to be the B team manager also only has the b license. So Birmingham are asking for more than sporting

[@gezblair]

Hear Gareth Southgate has some time on his hands.

[@ryanfisch7047]

Did the English National Team manager job post those requirements? I don't think they did.

[@iirovaltonen4258]

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[@tab45999]

I love this video. Please make more like this.❤❤

[@brunothefreak8826]

About 200000 people have any Uefa pro licence and these licences need to be reneewed every 3 years. So this might be a job for someone who needs to renew his licence and ist currently unemployed

[@brgracio]

Rubén Amorim was first champion at Sporting without having a UEFA Pro license for most of that season.

[@jord.an6123]

Zealand got sooooooo close to realising here that the real problem is unfettered capitalism

[@Bowleskov]

Don't discount this may just be a position to allow a Coach to finish their UEFA PRO License, As you said these are work place qualification and If a person has recently lost their job mid course Birmingham could just be looking to help out whilst boosting the mentorship for their Senior Academy Teams.

[@A22337]

Good point, but isn't it necessary to have access to a team for much more than 4 hours per week in order to fulfill a UEFA Pro programme?

[@jeremye3]

There’s not a lot of licensed coaches in the U.S. because the USSF doesn’t offer enough courses. They have a ton of courses in the Midwest and western part of the country. If you live in the East, not in NY ur basically forced to go across the country multiple times. It’s a ridiculously faulty system and it’s sad for people like me who want to grow there coaching but cannot afford to get there licenses.

[@meelooxavier6502]

5:44 aren't you? the announcement says u15-u21 / academy if I'm not reading it wrong

[@TheH3LLP3R]

I didnt know zealands brother here also played FM. I thought zealandism just pops into existence to give us his extremely expert reporting on football around the world then disappears until the next video

[@kakaisclass]

if it got you accepted to study for your pro licence and they funded the course, it would make sense because its a few hours per week

[@derfuchs13]

Maybe to be able to obtain a Pro License you actually requiere experience, so this job is actually an oportunity for some people. 4hs a week in a intership kind of work does not sound bad

[@rayeardley7618]

It sounds wild but it sounds like the kind of position someone would take up to gain the on the job experience while working on their pro licence

[@astralchimp]

The job is obviously directed towards the many minted ex players who are doing the UEFA course but struggling to find a job to finish

[@yaldabaoth2]

It's likely they already have someone they want, are in agreement but need to put out a job posting for some nonsense legal reason, requiring the exact things this person and only this person has. Been there, done that (in different industry).

[@MaeYouRIP]

A license is very expensive and very gatekept/underfunded, so you're talking probably a 5 year wait of consistent coaching betwen B and A at a minimum unless you're well connected or an ex-pro. The coach I tutored with got his B license at 21. He was 28, working full time at the FA and coaching 4 evenings a week on top and applying every year for the A license and couldn't get in. That's asking someone with already thousands of hours unpaid coaching, years and years in education and studying, and easily north of £10,000 outlay to volunteer. Absolutely disgusting.

[@Bengully]

Nice argument Zeeland but you forgot one important thing... We're do what we want we're do what we want WE'RE BIRMINGHAM CITY WE'RE DO WHAT WE WANT

[@shams3831]

Didn't expect to see a Sebc tweet here

[@GamerFrisco]

Whys it always Birmingham

[@A22337]

If the coach is going to work at most 4 hours per week one can assume he or she will assist with one or two training sessions per week, likely planned by a head coach of that age group. So the need for an education up to UEFA A is not very obvious.

[@lkrnpk]

I would agree to it if it was offered by Nottingham Forest as then I would be robbin hood

[@Dench999or911]

As someone currently in the job hunting cycle, this is the kinda BS I can’t stand. What a joke from Blues.

[@jc6087]

The volunteer position is for someone with an A licence to be able to get some on the job experience. The A licence is a 12 day course spread out over 12 months and costs £3k... You need to have the A licence AND be in FULL TIME employment in a coaching role to be eligible to apply for a Pro licence. To get full time employment as a coach you're going to need experience actually coaching players and you get that experience by volunteering at places like Birmingham, whose most recent academy product was Jude Bellingham. Do a good job at Birmingham and they might offer you a permanent position or at least give you a decent reference. It's called moving up the ladder, only ex-players start at the top and everyone else has to work their up from the bottom.

[@BigKC3]

defending that nonsense is absurd. Even if thats how it works, it shouldnt.

[@MegaTimtheman]

Yes. Birmingham City should be criticised for this, it's insulting

[@rogerdiz3520]

...and this is why there aren't many English coaches in England...

[@thomasgoldthorpe1158]

It's a competitive industry. It's not a bad start for someone lacking experience and connections. It's not as mind-blowing as you seem to believe

[@ellipticalsoul]

Someone with a UEFA A license is not lacking experience, it costs 4 grand and you can be the head coach of a Championship team with that level of qualification. Basically nobody has that unless they already work for a club who is paying for them to do it.

[@thomasgoldthorpe1158]

@ellipticalsoul £4k is not that much money

[@oshywoshy]

14 minutes ago is baldy

[@kyle56329]

Yo

[@AlonRozenblit]

I'll be the devil's advocate and mention that this is 4 hours per week of volunteering, to be able to add to your CV that you've coached Birmingham City's youth team. Must be some value in that, no? Especially when "working towards a UEFA Pro license". But I am just as uninformed as you, so...

[@n47eem]

Why is it only 6 comments?

[@DanCoffee]

Could it simply be....a mistake? Sorry, but you are making a lot of fuss about nothing here.

[@cdubsportscards]

I think getting a license to coach is ridiculous. Maybe this is the American in me, but either you know the sport or you don’t. You dont need a license. Seems like another money grab by fifa. Im pretty sure a player who played at the highest level understands the game and the dressing room better than some guy with a license.