DON'T get a M1 Mac for Programming | my 8 month take

[@ericguzmanc]

I have an M1, as developer, I love it.

[@asimabasi1252]

Which field?

[@asimabasi1252]

Is M1 is best for Flutter?

[@diegofuentes425]

same here

[@BrazenNL]

Same. I use java, selenium, cucumber, python, behave, docker, etc. I'm a test engineer.

[@mantragor8150]

Which Mac you are having?

[@jeroendeclercq7580]

I'm speechless. A KZbin reviewer, reviewing a laptop for tasks other than editing KZbin videos. Nice job!

[@truthseeker6804]

you have to consider most "reviewers", youtube is their job, so editing youtube videos is really the most intensive task theyre doing.

[@egyptian_noob]

@@truthseeker6804 true but they never consider that the average consumer never has to edit videos

[@egyptian_noob]

@@truthseeker6804 they always assume everyone else is doing what they’re doing

[@icephoenix7592]

This

[@dazraf]

Exactly this!!!!!

[@frankfu1122]

I’ve got a M1 MacBook Air 16gb. I’m doing react native development with iPhone, iPad, Pixel 5 and Pixel C emulators running at the same time with VSCode and about 20 browser tabs and about 3 docker containers running at the same time and the bad boy has not skipped a beat.

[@LuLeBe]

Yo what u doin with that Pixel C and 3! Docker containers while developing a mobile app? xD

[@frankfu1122]

@@LuLeBe mobile app has to talk to a REST API hosted on those containers 😸

[@sunitjoshi3573]

Did you get 512GB too?

[@frankfu1122]

@@sunitjoshi3573 Work offered to get me a 1TB but I would of got a 512GB if it was my own money

[@sunitjoshi3573]

@@frankfu1122 Ok, thanks. I’ll got with 512 GB then.

[@MrChirros]

Glad to hear someone addressing specific hardware needs based on activities and other relevant features for developers. I really enjoy your videos.

[@Slurkz]

The “nope” & “don’t” seem rather clickbaity. After watching the whole video, it appears Alexander’s answer actually leans more towards “yep” and “do”. Nice video though!

[@Slurkz]

Oh, and most comments from developers here seem to confirm the M1 is actually great for coding 👍

[@zoolooss]

Your channel is a breath of fresh air. Most of youtubers can't stop explaining me how great and fast M1 will be for video editing, sound recording and other things. Seems like producing KZbin videos is their full-time job and they can't imagine somebody can use a Mac for programming, study etc. Finally somebody reviews M1s from perspective of a REAL user, not KZbin blogger. So you get a like, subscription and huge respect from my side, Alexander! 👍😀

[@mikesilverii7535]

KZbin videos, editing, etc is still a REAL users workflow. I say this as a developer

[@zoolooss]

@@mikesilverii7535 No doubt it is, but how often as a developer you have to edit videos? ;-) My point is that for an ordinary dev importance of benchmarking video editing apps is highly overrated.

[@khezupreme4318]

I only use my MacBook for building iOS apps and KZbin, I regret getting the 16GB for that. Gaming and programming is still better on a Windows or Linux environment. Such a waste of money.

[@zoolooss]

@@khezupreme4318 How come programming "is still better on Windows"??? What criteria do you use?

[@khezupreme4318]

@@zoolooss no need to get triggered over it dude. I'm talking based on my experience. I run visual studio, Android studio and MSSQL on my MacBook Pro, I get frustrated with how laggy it becomes. I don't get that lag my legion 5 pro and I originally bought it for gaming, though the fans gets crazy. My Acer Swift 3 which is around 50% cheaper than MacBook Pro is just a bit slower when running my softwares. The only thing I like about the Mac is that it's silent and the battery life, which are the things I like about the Acer Swift 3 too. I'm planning to sell the macbook pro to get a m1x.

[@tamrat_assefa]

As a web dev, the M1 Air has been close to perfect so far. I made a mistake of going with only 8GB of RAM but it hasn't been an issue so far, even though I can see that the system digs into swap quite heavily.

[@ninjacode754]

How is the performance with docker running?

[@tamrat_assefa]

@@ninjacode754 Can't say much because I don't use Docker that much at the moment.

[@tamrat_assefa]

@@jasondpa I’m sure I have upgraded by then.

[@bisarothub1644]

Have you tried dotnet and angular on m1? Is entry level macbook air with 8gb ram sufficient enough?

[@tamrat_assefa]

@@jasondpa I’d say my usage is about ~60-100GB per day.

[@beckeller]

I disagree. In 2022 you should absolutely get an m1 machine. It’s absolutely outstanding how much faster this machine is when it comes to programming/ compiling/ building etc. and the emulator are much faster too. I use Java Spring and dart/ flutter.

[@ffgcvs]

As a developer, I have an M1 and I love that machine.

[@theencryptedpartition4633]

TechLead: as millionaire, I don’t have an M1, because I see no point. But I can easily buy it if I want

[@ffgcvs]

@@theencryptedpartition4633 Buy it and show us an unboxing video :)

[@plushsu8078]

@@ffgcvs it's a referrence of another youtuber "TechLead".

[@illbet4589]

It’s not pro enough for TechLead

[@nilfarmohamed4778]

is there any alternative for Navicat or Workbench as its not supporting for M1 ??

[@lorensims4846]

I'd be curious to see what alternate computer you recommend that can match the long battery life and low heat production that the MacBook Air provides. The extra performance is just a bonus.

[@trutoduto3346]

exactly, the things that matter to me are: long battery, silent, good screen, good keyboard, fantastic trackpad and how light it is. But the only thing holding me back from buying an M1 is that I can't use windows nor Linux on it yet. I was looking at the new Thinkpads. They perform well, have a good trackpad, the battery life is actually decent and you can use Linux on them.

[@lorensims4846]

Windows trackpads are never as good as Apple’s who invented them and they’re Always Perfect. I run Linux as a dual boot on my old 32-bit-only “Yonah” CoreDuo OG white polycarbonate MacBook along with Snow Leopard, the latest Mac OS X this will run. I have always had little use for Windows, but as usual, I have a PC for that.

[@main.joseph]

@@trutoduto3346 what's wrong with using virtual machines? I have Ubuntu installed as a vm (parallel) and I use it for my c++ developments, no issues whatsoever

[@giuseppeamendolara2367]

@@main.joseph can you create a VM with the minimal installation config, please ? I need to run rhel. I saw that fedora can be run on parallels, but I do not want to assign 2GB of RAM per each VM (I dont need the GUI, only CLI).

[@TrioLOLGamers]

@@lorensims4846 HP on the Envy and Spectre lineup has excellent trackpads (now they have Windows Precision) and their keyboard is WAY better than the Apple's alternative. (yeah. I've tried the keyboard on the M1 and it feels like a plastic touchscreen... And I love mechanical keyboards...)

[@parihar-shashwat]

My mac flow for following - xcode builds for react native and swift - aws (nodejs) npm - max battery for coding outside (around 4-6 hours would be best) getting 8-12 hours - some photoshop - lots of tabs (20-40) - ios simulator - android simulator All gets done on m1 macbook air. Swap memory works great around 4-8 gb with 1-2 gb ram free. I had a hackintosh with 24gb RAM , on this kind of flow makes it around 16-20 gb with still 3-6 gb in swap. So they are still using swap that aggressively. I wanted a machine with max battery life and this seems best option in all laptop comparison chart.

[@rockon3470]

which version of MBA are you on? the base or upgraded ram?

[@yusufmalikul]

How many RAM?

[@fikrimilano9623]

Bro, how much ram is your MacBook?

[@TheBerkayBUHLAR]

Are you happy about the display resolution and pixel scaling ? I am a frontend developer and i am working on a 1080p monitored desktop but i want to get a macbook air as well but i am not sure if the display will be good for coding cross platform&responsive projects. I dont know nothing about apple computers and notebooks so can you give me an idea ?

[@JuanseVargas]

I'm a developer, just bought iMac M1. I checked 'Is apple silicon ready' to make sure I could migrate my workflow, 70% tools I use are native, 30% under Rosetta2 approx. Thanks for your videos :)

[@deadlox.d]

How about SSD swap?

[@TrueMasterGrig]

For me as Java dev it suits fine. No troubles at all. Incredible speed. Most of the programms and libs runs natively now

[@MohammedSalman-tk6dm]

You run on windows?

[@ko-Daegu]

Hard to believe e that I wonder what you actually do How does Jenkins Docker Gradle Ansible work

[@cyberlord64]

@@ko-Daegu asking the real questions

[@EduardoRodriguezRocks]

I find it amusing how people always overkill the specs, you can code almost whatever with a 700 USD PC

[@LunaticEdit]

I use my M1 almost exclusively for development. Went from an i5 2019 iMac with 32 GB/ram to my M1 with 8 gigs of ram and 512gb hdd. I have not turned on my 2019 iMac since turning this one on. I use it for C, golang, and nodejs development. I run CLion or GoLang, two VSCode instances, discord, and several other apps all at once and my M1 doesn't give two Fs about the 8 gigs of ram. It manages and swaps things out almost instantly. This thing is amazing and I don't regret it one bit.

[@PsycosisIncarnated]

Well how long do you reckon the SSD will take before it fries out completely due to swap with your current workload?

[@LunaticEdit]

@@PsycosisIncarnated Well currently my available spare value is 100% with 0 errors and 0% life percentage used. I've got 493 power on hours with 248 power cycles, and 22.2TB of data written and 42.3TB data read. So at this rate I think I'll be fine.

[@martinkunev9911]

Late 2022 and I still see a ton of programming-related issues. So far my experience has been that pretty much everything outside of the apple ecosystem doesn't work out of the box. If you need something like tensorflow or gdb, you'll have a ton of problems.

[@arsnakehert]

I saw someone make a good point about 16 GB of RAM, which is that having more RAM should reduce swap usage, and that may extend the life of your unswappable (haha) SSD

[@ararune3734]

I don't know about Mac but on Linux you can set the swappiness levels as you please, irrespective of how much RAM you have, but yeah the point still stands, more RAM is better lol

[@bakalito4601]

KZbin reviewers are mostly content creators, it's frustrating that only few actual software developers are doing a tech reviews. You and Just Josh are my favorite. I almost hate those content creators :-)

[@chris_sndw]

Dude don't tell me I could just get a Linux. I can't fucking develop iOS Apps on Linux! No programmer in his right mind would buy a EXTREMLY overpriced garbage Macbook if he can buy a Thinkpad for half the price with double the value. I'm here because I need to buy one of the garbage Macbooks.

[@ds2000]

M1 Max 16" on order, 64 gb. I can't wait to finally upgrade from my late 2013 15" MBP.

[@guitartherapy7208]

Same here, except 14” (i use a 49” monitor for work). Same base model to upgrade ftom.

I’ve been using m1 macs for a year now. With an ultra wide display. With only 8gb. For programming. Not a single issue. Nothing. Not even slow down. The optimisation of these machines is out of this world. I will be upgrading to a 16inch just because the larger screen and better speakers. Other than that the cheapest m1 is a beast and no issues of any kind.

[@doniyoraloxanov9744]

13 inch screen is enough for learning to code without a monitor?

@@doniyoraloxanov9744 100%

[@doniyoraloxanov9744]

@thanks for advice , what about air or pro ?

@@doniyoraloxanov9744 air, more than enough

[@sherwinm]

ever since docker and homebrew started to work with M1, i’ve had great experience wit my MacBook Air M1. no gaming but mainly development. the battery life is just insane. i’ll be trading it in for the 16” MacBook M1 Pro though. the ports are back and no more touchbar. i upgraded the ram this time to 32GB and got the 1TB drive.

[@PsycosisIncarnated]

How much battery life do u get out of it bro?

[@sherwinm]

@@PsycosisIncarnated I don't know specific hours but I can go through an 8 hour day w/o plugging in and that's with docker and an IDE running. I'm usually left with about 40-50%. I just got my M1 Pro 16". I'm on my 3rd day moving dev environments, updating, and messing around and still at 83% battery life

[@PsycosisIncarnated]

@@sherwinm amazing... Even 8 hours and being left with 50% is truly remarkable. I really need to get one. Even tho Ive never used Mac os and I'm not a fan of it (Linux user)

[@sherwinm]

@@PsycosisIncarnated I jump between linux (ubuntu) and macOS. I use homebrew to get the linux stuff on macOS. the rest of the time I'm on windows just to play games. if it weren't for pc games, I'd be on macOS and ubuntu full time. I don't think there's a big learning curve coming from linux to macOS. it'll fell like home. but the battery life on the M1 Macs are just unbelievable. I've also been transcoding some of my bluray movies down using handbrake and the M1 gpu. it's just crazy the performance compared to using my rtx2070 super and nvenc or my ryzen 3900x with x264. if I use video toolbox (apple gpu), compression size seems to be as good as x264. the time is now down to around 35 minutes instead of 1.5-2 hours. I don't really understand the voodoo apple did.

[@xynyde0]

@@PsycosisIncarnated macos is also unix

[@garrettrr]

I don’t do that heavy of stuff as I’m still a student, but I can have about 15 chrome tabs, Spotify, IntelliJ, And pycharm all running and the laptop doesn’t even slow down or get hot. All of this on a 8gb M1 MacBook Air. This chip is insane

[@theencryptedpartition4633]

It’s logical bro. I see this architecture or M1 as a cashier that uses one hand to scan a product and uses another hand to grab another one in order to scan it after the first one. x86 is essentially doing one product until the whole process is completed

[@lime4]

Wow what an intensive workflow /s

[@garrettrr]

@@lime4 that’s the extent of my use of the chip, I’m just saying examples for people with similar use cases. I know it’s not that intensive, but it still runs crazy fast at that

[@ncrujaki259]

@@explainer9102 lmao you're comment reduced my pressure imma order it now

[@16sense]

What I had chrome and another app open and it still gave me warnings on the 8 gb variant

[@HassaanAnjum]

I like the content you create. After watching your videos I bought the base version M1 MacBook Air and I have to say you are right about RAM, under my regular work, the memory pressure is always orange. I'm using Macbook after a long time so I don't exactly know how this will turn out. But for sure, for developers 16GB is a must.

[@searchlight6059]

I love the M1, I feel like way more productive with its fast load times in Xcode, speaking as an iOS developer, but I'd understand why some of the quirks that you may have to deal with are quite bothersome to the rest of people, but yeah overall I think it is a really nice laptop so far!

[@youtubeaccount2978]

I’m thinking of getting one, what kind of quirks do you mean?

[@jeremiasp314]

@@youtubeaccount2978 2x

[@MegaAmafia]

I7 or M1 FOR MOB DEV?

[@xynyde0]

@@MegaAmafia any modern processor will do just fine... what you should be considering is larger memory (16gb at least)

[@j.erickson8571]

I agree with the author in terms of don’t get one…Get two !!!. The old intel processor was too hot for the summer time. This new processor is smarter: it runs cold most of the time and only engage the multicore when you really need it.

[@AZisk]

Lol. One for the living room and one for the bathroom

[@TheScottishDad]

I returned my MBP Pro 14 yesterday. If you're a Windows developer and need Visual Studio, don't bothering buying this - VS 2019 for Mac is pretty terrible.

[@quimblyjones9767]

The M1 Mac air is kind of perfect for me: only really starting programming, found a good deal 30% off, low power in, low heat out.

[@MelvsAmores]

Keep those videos coming Alex. Still waiting for the next iteration of the M1. Whatever the name will be, I'm betting it will kick "chips". 😊

[@elfua7347]

I have an MBP m1 16 gb ram. I’m a software engineer and I’m in love with the m1. Is amazing.

[@nilfarmohamed4778]

is there any alternative for Navicat or Workbench as its not supporting for M1 ??

[@imakethesites3048]

I bought an M1 Mac mini without first selling my 16" MacBook pro, and aside from the difference in the startup and unlock speed, I haven't noticed speed differences. What I have noticed is that it's a huge pain in the ass not to be able to use my logitech mouse software and dividing my efforts between the 2 computers also stinks.

[@russ.tech2you]

I use the logitech software on my m1 mini without issue. MX Master 2 and logitech mx keys all work fine

[@imakethesites3048]

@@russ.tech2you I never got my Master 2s to work properly with Bluetooth, but someone gave me the master 3 and it works with Bluetooth but it forgets the key assignment.

[@martinkunev9911]

Late 2022 and I still see a ton of programming-related issues. So far my experience has been that pretty much nothing outside of the apple ecosystem works out of the box. If you need something like tensorflow or gdb, expect problems.

[@felipeferreira7503]

Would love to see some dev-like performance on a X230 3rd gen i5/i7 with Linux vs the M1. I think it would be the perfect "budget used" laptop for some students.

[@topticktom]

or a t470 t480

[@Sean-im8bf]

I love my x220. But performance aside, the screen is not good if your development environment/workflow is GUI based with document trees, toolbar buttons, and property tabs; I have a pending screen mod, while the M1 MacBook has so many pixels...

[@topticktom]

Perfect for Vim‘ers

[@herrpez]

In terms of raw numbers, the ThinkPads shouldn't be able to put up a fight, really. That being said, I've used a Macbook Pro for development (professionally) and coming from Linux it was an incredibly stifling environment. Eventually it came to the point where I picked up an old T440 that was obviously many, many years older than the Macbook simply to get away from macOS. Out of my own pocket, for work. I did hold out for a year, so you can't say I didn't at least give it a good go. 😅 I still used the Mac via SSH though, just for its processing power. Apart from the keyboards, I love (laptop) Mac hardware. It's just that the OS does everything it can to get in my way. Or seems to anyway.

[@xaviercorniel26]

My dad has an M1 Mac mini and on a 144hz monitor. He games on it a bunch and apparently it’s pretty smooth since there’s a bunch of games on the App Store plus steam support etc

[@akshatrb]

Like?

[@TrioLOLGamers]

"games"... 😅

[@aec5xi7oPae9IeV3]

Almost a year with MBP M1 16Gb, Android/iOS Dev, it's insane! Best CPU ever (before M1 Pro/Max)

[@aceflamez00]

M1 is one of the fastest computers I've ever used tbh.

[@ajacobs100]

it is just so seemless. was worth the money.

[@nishantpattani3053]

Right sir as flutter developer and android developer i am also not considering this for 1 year at least due to compatibility and limited to only 16gb ram

[@vmkantu]

You don't even need 16GB, 8GB will also do.

[@nishantpattani3053]

But running one android ans ios simulator android studio and few chrome tabs it will be out of ram

[@nishantpattani3053]

@@vmkantu Can you share screenshot of ram usage for above use case

[@madmotorcyclist]

Wait, 32GB models coming out this late fall.

[@alvaroneira4241]

I'm a software developer and the single task that I need the most (some very old docker image) is actually TWICE AS SLOW than my 2013 macbook pro (because of all the emulations that need to be run).

[@VincentPride1986]

that's interesting, make a video about it - it will take the internet by storm

[@grzegorz__]

Wow, I totally respect the video, and generally what you're doing here on this channel. You're kind of 1 % of software engineer / tech-review youTubers... who really tell the truth. Other 99 % are just mumbling, having no idea how ie. software development looks like (external displays, docker everywhere, projects start and end - not everytime you can choose them, so compatibility with widest possible tools is critical, some projects use some very old libraries, so deprecated that you cannot update it (ie. some AI python projects)). There is also another part of youTubers - "tech-gadget celebrity youTubers" (the more subscribers, the higher chance that he has no idea what he is talking about or the "review" tells only obvious things). 99 % their review looks like this: "open final cut pro. render youTube video. omg it's so fast. Mac M1 is so pro, and for all pros" (having no idea that majority of pro / power user really needs to have computer that it's "all rounder" - having multiple displays working, having lots of ram, using all kind of I/O a lot. But yea, you won't hear any "issues" from these KZbinrs - they ran Final Cut Pro and it was smooth. That';s their the whole review ;) Mac M1 itself is very nice computer, overall, it changed the game, and pushed laptopt waaay forward - sooner or later I'll switch to it (because price / performance ratio is indeed great) but i hate that youTubers are simply not doing the reviews - they're just uploading the video about them working with final cut pro ;) No one mentioned that at the beginning Big Sur was soo buggy, that definitely, it wasn't a computer for professional work. No big youTuber ever mentioned that ie. if your mac goes to sleep then you had issues to log in again (keyboard in laptop was not working), or issue with motherboards being fried (goodbye your soldered data ;) ) because of some third party dongles / adapters, or the pretty wide known issue with external displays, or even that excessive use of SSD. For them, everything was "smooth" ;) Yes, some or even majority of people didn't have any of this issues, but few of my colleagues at work, at software house had and then it turned out that there were actually a lot of people on the Internet having similar issues. But all I heard at that point of time is that "M1 is so great" (because it runs smoothly final cut pro and youtuber can create a video faster ;) ) The "review" big tech youTubers are doing are so generic that it's not even a review - it's just more like a commercial, with low information value (or even none). Your reviews are honest, balanced

[@grafxdesigner93]

With all due respect, I couldn't agree more. But it is known that the M1 definitely changed the game.

[@user-hd3um6qe3y]

Thanks a lot! You made it so clear I’ll not consider buying it as a programmer because it’s not perfect time

[@pablomiguelcaballeroalvare5558]

I would love a video about laptops for CS students. Thanks for your videos!

[@kevklash]

I switched to AMD Ryzen 7 and my goodness! This thing is insane, I'm loving it.

[@Oiiiar_]

Software engineering student here. I opened my eyes on the m1 one month ago, duh I know, so I just ordered a MBP as my first mac os machine

[@priyanshu2445]

Yes!!, please make the video which you were talking about, it will help me a lot. I am a computer science student and looking for a new machine, flexible with an OS.

[@disguysn]

One important consideration that Apple generally lacks: repairability when the hardware fails. I've had a lot of issues with recent MacBooks and have finally made the decision to jump off the platform due to those issues. Their hostility to right to repair gives me serious pause to ever coming back.

[@tranhuy4036]

Totally understand how you feel. But hey, it's all about money and non-replaceable hardware means higher profit for the stakeholders. I don't think it's gonna change unless there is a brand that offers the ecosystem and producta of the same quality of Apple's, then that would require them to double think about their next product.

[@theencryptedpartition4633]

That’s why they wanna encourage u to buy Apple Care plus

[@disguysn]

Even if you buy the extended warranty (at a 10-25% markup), the repair/replace procedures are tortuously time consuming. It's just not worth it.

[@geometerfpv2804]

Do you really repair comparable ultra-lights on the PC side though? All super portable things tend to be massive pains to repair...it's not like you can go somewhere else and get a different experience. Granted, you could go with a larger more modular computer.

[@disguysn]

@@geometerfpv2804 maybe Apple should start caring about working professionals again and start offering laptops to those who care about hardware longevity and upgradability. Modular laptops not much bigger than existing Apple laptops are coming on to the market now. Maybe it's not about portability but the fact that it's more profitable to sell a replacement than it is to sell reliable and upgradable machines.

[@jozkofurik1682]

I had M1 with 8GB RAM and it was a pain. It couldn't handle bigger project and, believe me, I was trying to run just essentials. Terabytes of data swapping from RAM to SSD made my workflow very slow. VERY SLOW. Most of you guys here can't imagine it and be glad for that. Recently I switched to M1 Pro with 32GB and this is completely different story. Love it!

[@musaratjahan7954]

8GB RAM is barely enough for a e-sports gaming machine these days, what made you think an 8GB machine for development was a good idea?

[@sidneymonteiro3670]

I got a Mac Mini M1 as it came out. The problem is not the hardware, it is the lousiest window manager on the planet. For a computer that was known for the UI, they really are awful at window management. Mission Control is awful, so is spaces. No tile all, No cascade, no minimize all, no show desktop. Even with stage manager. It is all awful when compared to Windows 7 window management.

[@GSteel-rh9iu]

basically the message is think about what you need it for; its a great value for what you get performance-wise; I have been using one since it came out. Love this channel!

[@Cnork]

For me, I need at least 32GB of RAM (super heavy docker user). But with SWAP, that high speed SSD & 16GB of RAM, it might be fine, just not the best performance.

[@Jeff-gx5bg]

i use a mac from 2012 for development its never failed me

[@jonatthu]

I do kubernetes, vscode, docker, c#, nodejs, react native, mssql, redis, rider and more all in a M1 MacBook Air (:

[@tahsib7]

8gb variant?

[@nilfarmohamed4778]

is there any alternative for Navicat or Workbench as its not supporting for M1 ??

[@bibek8284]

@@tahsib7 how is the performance? are you having an heating issues?? I was planning for 14 inch but it’s quite expensive. I like the air more than pro 13

[@brian2590]

Great review! Considering M1 only for the battery life. Since 2005 all of my work has been done on remote machines long before the "cloud" was a reality. Up until 2020 i had never spent more than $150 for a laptop. Developing with Linux for Linux has always had this perc. It is rare i am limited to the resources on a single machine. I tried working one month with just a raspberry pi 4 remote connected to an AMD Epyc 32 core server with dual GPUs for ML development. The setup worked great aside from many daily annoyances that come using raspberry pi. The M1 is overkill for me though it will offer more stability and local processing power over the pi4. Not every developer can work this way. those that can will love the M1.

[@harisno20]

Dang! Finally, I've found a KZbinr that explains everything that I need completely success!

[@marcello4258]

People building websites consider themself as developers. Fair enough. For making some node apps it might work out, but guys please be aware that there is so much out there rather than some beginner scripting languages. Don´t offend all those vets. And come on 8 GB Ram? As a serious dev.? No way.

[@EduardoRodriguezRocks]

I have an M1 and works really well, I had some problems with some complex docker compose projects but most of them were easily fixed

[@web3wizard381]

The keyboard degrades with time, getting stickier and harder to type on, I sold it and got a thinkpad instead, its awesome

[@LucyTheApe]

Really ? M1 has this issue ? I have been using intel macbook for about 10 years without this issue.

[@dadecountyboos]

thinkPad is rad as always, though I am excited to put this neural engine to good use. I have a thinkCentre desktop that I adore & use everyday

[@NetSkillNavigator]

Nice move!

[@pemessh]

I just got a maxed out m1 last week. This video definitely gave me a kick 😅

[@AZisk]

That’s a great machine there. You won’t be sorry

[@pemessh]

@@AZisk Thank you. I bought the M1 after watching your amazing videos. I literally binge watched all the performance comparisons. Best wishes and Keep going 🤟👍 Love from Nepal. 🇳🇵

[@one_step_sideways]

How is it so far? I have an Asus Vivobook S14 with Ryzen 5 4500U (6 cores 6 threads), 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD for $700, which is around half as much as a base model M1 Macbook Air in my country. The CPU is very fast, especially for the price of the laptop, and efficient (6-9 hours on battery depending on the use case) and there is plenty of memory to run VMs, various development programs and a dozen Chromium tabs without ever using swap memory (I have it turned off completely). The cooling on my laptop is also very good and it only starts being audible when I force it to boost to a high TDP (25+W) for prolonged periods for the most demanding tasks, never going above 90C, especially now that I have improved the cooling by repasting the laptop (it does not even void your warranty on Vivobook S14) and installing a thermal pad to transfer some heat onto a metal backplate. Though I never need to push it past 22W or 80C, it's fast enough for pretty much all tasks. There was also an option to get an 8 core Ryzen 7 model for around $100 more, but it came with a Windows license which costs quite a lot, considering that you would normally install a custom optimized Windows version on a new system right away, as well as a proper Linux distro. I feel like this is pretty much the best kind of investment that I made, because unlike all M1 products, it can be easily fixed and the storage (but not the RAM, 14" laptops generally do not allow upgrading it) can be upgraded right out of the box. I've heard numerous reports that Apple laptops generally work for only 3-4 years before something very expensive breaks. You won't be able to repair the M1 in any way without buying a new logic board because of that. In contrast, Asus laptops generally work for a really long time, often more than 10 years given proper maintenance, like repasting the CPU yearly. The number one reason behind all CPU deaths is overheating, and M1 Air laptops usually run very hot due to the fanless design, but you can probably limit it to start throttling before hitting more than 90C. 7nm and especially 5nm CPUs also degrade much faster when they run at more than 85C for prolonged periods of time, so you should be on the lookout for that, upgrade your cooling with thermal pads and limit the CPU to 80C. Take care

[@pemessh]

@@one_step_sideways It is amazing. Far greater than any windows laptops. Be it gaming or non gaming. You might get 6 8 hours of batter life on a U series processor but this 8 core cpu 8 core gpu gives you like 16 to 18 hours with better performance. The performance and battery life of newer MacBooks literally blew me away. Hats off apple

[@pemessh]

@@one_step_sideways In fact look at the other comments in this video itself. There are nearly 100% satisfied M1 buyers.

[@NonSense1311]

After did researchs, I decided buy a mac mini. That very good for App developper (React, android studio, Intelliji). But not for multitask users. Good or not depend on your tasks.

[@lenickramone]

As a cloud developer, my mac pro m1 max 32gb ram could not be better. Virtualisations, containers, IDE's, it's working like a symphony!

[@vshade]

I love not having fans on when compiling and other developer work from my m1 air, but I made sure to get the 16gb

[@abhijitbosecognizant]

The simple answer is : first of all serious windows people don’t even buy m1 macbook air / pro. Processes, handling of files, apps on mac os are cumbersome for no god damn reason . On top of that any experiment with apps can lead to irreversible memory wastage. No serious software is free on mac os. Please tattoo this on your wrist. Be it parallel via which u wanna run windows or the windows itself. No key generator works here in that case. If windows people still wanna flaunt the apple logo please go for mac with intel and bootcamp it. Oh by windows people I didn’t mean people who do video editing only. I meant some serious work on windows. Like running a tfs server from it, setting up a sql server . You name it. On top of that bootcamp helps to allocate entire RAM on windows os , not like parallel where you need to decide how much RAM to allocate to windows, so with M1 you will end up buying a minimum of 16 gb of RAM version vs minimum of 8gb version of INTEL macs in this regards. What common in tech reviews are like very few youtuber got the guts to speak truth rather than nurturing the fake apple impression. It’s unfortunate but a fact. Peace 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@AZisk]

You seem like a serious person:)

[@realsushi_official1116]

Regarding FOMO feeling, there are 2 bounds: getting a cheap entry level lineup or getting a very powerful one (and expensive if the workflow justifies it) But anything in the middle is subject to performance/dollar metrics. But then some workflow are not M1 compliant so it becomes apples vs oranges if we dare to say... Form factor wise a Razer Blade 14 is wayyy much more polyvalent for the average folks. Maybe some workflow could benefit from a unified memory with 64GB (the playstation of ML in a way)... So the question is more about hype-factor/niche-efficiency metrics. One thing is sure, battery-autonomy is excellent (although VMs are ressource hungry beasts)

[@rammstein4ever6666]

Finally!! someone that don''t use a macbook only for edit videos, I was looking for a video like this. I'm a full stack developer, and I was looking to change my notebook, the benefits I saw were the portability and battery duration, but all the other specs seems kind of short. Having dockers running and devices emulators seems a task that only 16gb of ram can't handle properly. I give thanks that I dont need to use xcode to develop, only to build react or angular apps (testflight process is hell literally)

[@dahamsoysa]

Is there any problems coming when using kali Linux in a m1 macbook using a virtual machine??

[@dmitrykankalovich2508]

Using my m1 for software development and having zero problems. However, I do wish Parallels would support x64 Win 10, not the Arm version. That's the only culprit so far.

[@keenanpienaar7930]

I agree.... I miss bootcamp though

[@sam_aritan7265]

As a computer science student, it is almost perfect. Long sessions staring at a bright ass screen trying to find a tiny bug is my only complaint which isn’t much of a complaint. Definitely 16gb ram and an external SSD. My only complaint is the sharp edges and wrist

[@obfuscateidentity2329]

M1 Mac for Swift development is beautiful , fast and amazing

[@wind829]

Using M1 Air base model (8GB RAM) for IntelliJ, 100+ chrome tabs, pgAdmin & few small footprint softwares ... working fine as of few months. Much better than i7 intel (16GB RAM), which i was using for couple of years.

[@benravenwood8535]

100+ chrome tabs? Are you for real tho? I'm actually about to get the base model mba but i've been hesitant it won't keep up well. I'm just starting out web dev and do quite a lot of light machine learning with python and tensorflow and i do really need a fast laptop. Should i get the base m1 mba asap?

[@wind829]

@@benravenwood8535 Yes would be more than enough per your requirements and also future proof for at least couple of years.

[@gandalfthegrey2777]

I have a 8gb ram device and it lags while running a project thats running multiple docker containers, Should I get M1 8gb or go for some windows 16gb device?

[@wind829]

@@gandalfthegrey2777 I also started using docker containers and saw 8gb ram was not enough and swap mem exceeds 7/8 gb quickly. I switched recently to m2 14 pro base model and its working without a sweat. Would suggest min. m1/m2 air/pro with 16gb for any docker flow

[@gandalfthegrey2777]

@@wind829 thanks, i can't afford that so I'll have to go with Asus or Dell, i7 16gb + 512gb The only reason i was considering M1 was experience, design, battery, feel but guess the perform won't be enough

[@ianno3]

As a backend dev I love the m1

[@ianno3]

I have the 8gb model and run docker. Runs great. It is not my work machine, just personal projects. Go for the 16 tho if on the fence

[@nilfarmohamed4778]

is there any alternative for Navicat or Workbench as its not supporting for M1 ??

[@jaydenmoon1165]

I got a ASUS VivoBook for 300$ 8GB - it does very well for web design and development - I do want a air for Xcode - Great Video - thank you

[@kirk1240]

I upgraded from a lenovo, the m1 is silent and way more powerful. With miniconda I don't have any issues with software compatibility.

[@nilfarmohamed4778]

is there any alternative for Navicat or Workbench as its not supporting for M1 ??

[@adrianmierzwa8339]

11:24 The honesty :D

[@nasrimarc7050]

When I go to the library I see 90% of students with mac's just for using browser or Microsoft office

[@MrSojek]

They think having Macbook make them better, maybe low self-esteem.

[@nasrimarc7050]

@@MrSojek exactly for the first time I see the good opinion

[@ThePianist51]

Actually the speakers and mics are a lot, really a lot better than normal notebooks. For Zoom etc those things are the Creme de la Creme (without extra Webcam and stuff). My M1 Mac doesn’t heat up like my old Dell 5290 did… Even the screen became hot to the touch…

[@Firzenizer]

No mention of VirtualBox? A new employee started with us a few months ago. Everyone else was using Windows machines. He wanted a Mac. We got him one with M1. Then soon found out VirtualBox does not support M1 as there is no x86 virtualization. Returned the Mac and got him an older one with Intel processor.

[@AZisk]

Don’t get me started with VirtualBox. Its too bad

[@WizzRacing]

Why does he pick on Cobol? As someone that did it for years..When you have to program 40 lines of code. Just to get one output. You will get it. As I have 8" of pages printed out. That today you can do them on two pages..Then you will get it....

[@DigitalNomadOnFIRE]

Thumbnail: Don't get an M1 Video: Get an M1 unless you have less than $1000 What % of developers don't have $1000 to spend on a laptop???

[@some84884]

Some students

[@benravenwood8535]

And beginners

[@p3wx4]

I bough M1 Mac, used it for a week and had to return it because most of my docker builds failed. And, many of the older library didnt work. Be cautious, don't decide on M1 Mac just because a YTer who have never wrote a single code told you to do so.

[@junesuprise]

These new pros are awesome (screen, keyboard) but for programming I don’t need all that gpu power and even decode/encode modules. When they say “pro” they mean pro video editors. M1 Air is still the best deal for average developer.

[@kevikiru]

Apple did not reduce ports on the M1 Pro. The lower end MacBook Pro always has two ports

[@shubham_deshmukh_]

Yours videos are straight to the point. Great job. Thanks Alex!

[@alvinchris3138]

The timing of the sale's pitch was legit

[@clawz6027]

You could use Geforce Now if you wanna game. Keep in mind battery usage and ram usage will increase

[@albertgao7256]

Could not be more happy about my new 8GB M1 Air, fast, no fan, no stupid Touch Bar, seems not stupid butterfly keyboard, I am a full stack react native developer, now you can run android/iOS without Rosetta, so good, just so good, plan to sell and buy the high end one once M1X is released. I was worried about memory since I normally have like 13~15GB memory being used all the time. but seriously, no performance problem and no heat problems at all.

[@bruce9585]

@Albert Gao how much swap is getting used everyday and how much swap wrote in ur ssd till now

[@allaboutbusinessaab3326]

I have m1 as a kindergarten coded, and I love it.

[@rodrigovaccari7547]

What about newborn coders? 8gb is enough?

[@nicolasguizzo5278]

I'm about to start studying a course of web programming fullstack and after seeing a lot of videos, I really can't tell if a MBP of 8gb would be enough. In my country, due to importation, the 16gb model is +800 usd so it's really not an option. I can afford the 8gb model but I don't know if i'll struggle with huge compiling or whatever task i'll have to do in a future programming job. Would you say it's a safe choice to go with the MBP 8/256? It's really that or nothing. I have already a Macbook 12 2015, it's good but has a 1,1 M3 Intel processor that can't handle much. A second Q: Should I go with the M1 now or wait to the M1X/M2? Thx

[@justicefreeman6598]

Did you buy 8/256 version?

[@jasongrace6274]

Programming is not limited to Xcode and js.

[@AZisk]

No it’s not. What do you do?

[@jasongrace6274]

I code in Python and also sometimes in js. M1 is probably the best for these tasks.

[@orion10x10]

I picked a base model Air up for $899 for school as a CS student, it's great! edit: 8 month update, after I made this comment while at school I learned that I can't compile C++ on my Mac, so I just used the computers at school and my PC at home making my MacBook Air a completely frivolous purchase, it's just a really pretty toy ;-; I like it though but I truly barely use this thing

[@yanshiro6082]

no way, you cant do that ? any updates ?

[@hxxzxtf]

I just need VMs to run Linux.

[@chetankharel4435]

I am doing Laravel, php, nodejs and some React on m1 MacBook air.. it's been great and I love it.. waiting for visual studio for Mac as well.. it's preview is out now I guess

[@MuhammadHussain]

Do you have 8gb or 16gb?

[@chetankharel4435]

@@MuhammadHussain running on 16 GB

[@lothecruel]

@@MuhammadHussain I am a developer who has an extra laptop from work and got the m1 just for entertainment, not coding. My 8Gb would not be enough for programming

[@MuhammadHussain]

@@lothecruel I'll get the 16GB then.

[@lothecruel]

@@MuhammadHussain yes, it is better like that. I just have 15 safari tabs open and, studio code and pdf reader and over 7Gb are consumed, plus 3-4gb swap. If I wanted to develop complex apps I would need 16gb. The thing is, I bought it very cheap for 870€, the 16gb would have been 1300€ 🤔 huge difference. I reall love it coz it never gets hot battery lasts forever and great performance 😍🔥

[@dannercode5630]

Programming on MacBook Pro es very good experience , but if you want to use Visual Studio, you have a big problem: 1.- Visual Studio for Mac is good but isn’t the same as VS Windows, you can’t execute .net framework for example, only .net core X. 2.- VS studio 2022 on ARM64 don’t support some framework , 3.1 net framework ARM for example in this moment. I can’t execute my Previos projects.

[@Praxss]

For me macbook pro m1 is perfect. It is fast, silent, cool Ya just need more ports tho at least full size hdmi

[@DarylJewkes]

I’m a firm believer that any new developer should start off on a 486 DX 66. Only once they’ve been through the pain us veterans have been through do you earn your M1 wings

[@AZisk]

Make em feel the PAIN!

[@madmotorcyclist]

What pain. Try an IMSAI 8080 or a TRS-80 from my early days.

[@jawuku3885]

Try first a Commodore Vic20 with a total of 3583 bytes free :)

[@madmotorcyclist]

@@jawuku3885 Almost got one.

[@seattledude2022]

Two solutions for lack of memory to run your DOCKER containers: 1) get a VM from aws or azure. Shut them down when possible to save cost. 2) get a 8gb raspberry PI, for around $100.

[@RunOfTheTrill]

Or just buy an appropriate device from the beginning.

[@Andrew-tl9gk]

The RAM was never updatable since decades, and there were no other ports than USB-C for a long time, too, how is this related to the M1?

[@GKNaidu-hb5zv]

if a person comes to you and says that .. He wants to learn iOS development and he doesn't have any prior programming knowledge .Then which course would you suggest him.

[@kenny_gomel]

Some OOP basics

[@GKNaidu-hb5zv]

@@kenny_gomel what would you suggest

[@adityadangi3572]

When do you think the support for macbook pro 16" i9 will end? And Would you recommend someone to buy it instead of M1 Mac?

[@will00451]

Student machine recommendations please ❤️

[@pranav-kale]

I went with a windows machine for my Flutter development ( Lenovo ideapad ryzen 5700U, 16gigs ram ), and it is more than enough for me, i can smoothly work while having 2, 3 emulators along with android studio and 10, 20 chrome tabs ....

[@akin242002]

For professional in Javascript, Python with AWS, or Java with AWS the M1 MacBook Pro 14 is great. Otherwise, a PC or lower tier Macbooks are better choices.