"DON'T POST VENT ART!" (Debunking the Vent Art Stigma) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY

[@solelyashore]

whats even more evil to me than "vent art is unnecessary" is the idea that vent art is "cringy". the fact that i REGULARLY find out my friends have had their vent art about the worst traumas imaginable ended up in some "tiktok cringe compilation" is genuinely vile

[@Yggdrasilincarnate]

Yikes, taking people’s trauma and depicting it as “cringe” that’s gross and awful

[@Kitthecatgod]

People are gross

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

After cringe culture died the ones that were left in it were the worst kinds of people that made cringe culture gain a bad reputation in the first place

[@princesstikella]

people suck i hope ur friends r ok that must b tough

[@Your_Local_Weirdo75]

@@Yggdrasilincarnate yeah

[@confettiveda2460]

"People shouldn't make vent art in a way that glorifies mental illness and makes them money." Well what else am I gonna do with this mental illness? I don't have insurance.

[@ambrose2.524]

I've never posted vent art, but I find the viewing of it therapeutic. It's kinda hard to put it into words, but it feels like I'm not alone in the experience, and that other ppl understand what I'm going through even if I'm not ready to share my experiences yet.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Absolutely! I find community in both sharing and viewing it. And please don't feel like you have to share, that's a personal decision and isn't for everyone 💕

[@NIGHTBLOODUSAGI]

I never made vent art(vent art that would be explicit, I guess? the kind that makes people who dont see anything wrong go: tell me about this now or else) because I'm afraid that my family will see it, and get concerned and ask too many questions, or get on my case when it's jsut not the time for me to get into my personal issues, stuff like that. but I realized that everything about my art is me venting. my art is how I feel, what I want and need, and what I love and hate. so, basically, my art is both everything that I wished I could've had(which is why I and alot of people I've seen like me get so angry at their own ocs, they wish they could be them, and project onto them because all of our ocs really are who we want to be or things about us) and how I feel..which is the basis of all my problems that aren't just..being neurodivergent(but they do have smth do to with my art anyway). I always feel alone with my problems because they are so unbelievably specific but when I see vent art I think that this is jsut their normal art, to then realize they were actually TRYING to make vent art.

[@a-garden-of-worlds]

For me, the creation or viewing of vent art can make it feel "lighter" like it's weighing me down a lot less, makes it easier to handle and manage and so I'm able to function a little better after, as my depression affects me real bad at times.

[@barrysteakfriessimp_real]

it's like finding a kindred spirit in art form. you understand and you just know. you can feel those same feelings

[@xXJoeyXxcoooool]

It honestly make me feel like, not alone.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

I can't stand how people respond to any unashamed expressions of mental illness or trauma with "uR rOmAnTiSiZiNg" They say not to hide it and then when you don't, this is what you get. This applies to things like books and movies as well - like how dare you show mental illness? It's insanity (ironically enough) and I can't take the word seriously anymore.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

(this is a pre-watch comment, I might just be saying the same stuff)

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Yeah you expanded on my point and added other things I agree with. I appreciate you 💕

[@givemenameideaspls]

People just like throwing that word around at everything they don't like or don't want to see

[@victors_sunkenship]

100% agree with what you said! Honestly I believe the people saying these kind of stuff never really supported mentally ill people in the first place. Just telling mentally ill people to be unashamed of expressing struggles with mental illness but the moment their struggles are visible to them start shaming isn't support, it's just being fake.

[@naraku971]

This is probably going to sound weird but this reminds me of what the Nazis thought about when they saw Edvard Munch's artwork and pieces like The Scream. They called it Degenerate, and thought it shouldn't be seen, and were thus removed from German museums. Munch was well known to have suffered from mental illness himself, and I think that these people would probably flip their shit if they knew that, the last thing they want to be compared to is Nazis. The Germans have a phrase: If you sat down to Dinner at a table of four and not one of them condemned what the Nazis did to people, then you just had dinner with four Nazis, and as we know the Nazis were well known for their censorship of well everything, especially of course if it involved Jewish people as being the creators of certain works. You could only listen to Nazi approved broadcasts and music, so music by such composers as Gustav Mahler and Felix Mendelssohn was banned, list of examples of things could go on.

[@CryingNova]

If someone says you shouldn't do vent art because it ""rOmAnTisiZeS"" mental illness, they're not seeing art as something personal for someone

[@sourgreendolly7685]

💯

[@GlisteningDes1ra3]

I agree

[@Temperans]

​@@augustswater7845 There are two types of art. There is personal art made by an artist because they wanted to. There is also commercial art made by an artist because they want to sell it or use it commercially. The issue as always is entitled people thinking that everything should be made for them and anyone who thinks differently is bad.

[@inerciasart]

Not so long ago one of my friends made a coment about artists being ashamed of posting vent art while musicians make vent songs all the time and no one bats an eye, and since then my perspective on vent art (I did have very hard feelings about drawing and showing my own vent art) completely changed. Because if Olivia Rodrigo can make an entire album about her break up, I can make a silly doodle to vent about my anxiety and no one should shame either of us for doing so

[@KASANATION]

Exactly! You say it!!

[@keketopia]

If Olivia Rodrigo can make an entire break up album, you sure have the right to make art about the things you been through

[@CatsEverywhere33]

I am so sorry facts

[@SpacemanTheo]

Rarely ever is it the original artist that romantizes mental illness, it's often someone hijacking it and turning it into something it's not. Back in tumblr days I made the mistake of posting vent art, but letting people know I was okay and that was just a moment I need to acknowledge and let go. ...And then the 'aesthetic' blogs got a hold of it and basically put they're own twisted pro-harm BS onto it. That threw me into such a spiral because not only was I getting notifications with blog names that were just disgusting with icons to match, I had people sending me messages saying I was faking/enabling/an f-d up waste and trolls telling me to off myself without anyone actually having the original context. To say that it seriously caused me harm was an understatement. Sorry I had to get that experience off my chest.

[@caramel9154]

The aesthetic blogs feel like the plastic mean girls of tumblr

[@alerzex6921]

nah its fine, trust me tumblr is just where everything bad in a fandom exists also where a lot of bad people are tumblr is just a place where you can rarely find good things

[@jujuoof174]

This is so flipped up I am so sorry this happened to you. It was genuienly disgusting of them to do that and even if you did say u were okay and all they SHOULD OF NEVER have done that no matter why and how. DON'T repost vent art without permission, especially not for clput out of all things, or in general, it is do disrispectful and not understanding. Don't apoligise, your comment gave me lots of insite into the situation and you deserve and have every right to talk about that. Wherever you are and whoever you are, take care. It isn't and never will be your fault, trust me.

[@jujuoof174]

@@alerzex6921 I honestly disagree but understand your perspective

[@hollybrownvideos]

Making artists take artwork down for trigger’s defeats the purpose of art- art is personal inherently, and sometimes these vent arts are actually extremely relateable and emotional. Idk people shouldn’t make their own triggers someone else’s problem.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

Yeah... like it's one thing to ask for a TW (keyword being ask, if you need one and they say no you gotta protect yourself and unfollow) but telling people that they shouldn't post it is absurd! Art for art's purposes isn't to appease others. Some of the greatest artwork of all time was considered highly controversial when it was made! Art can be expression, rebellion, even protest to a degree... Sorry for soapboxing 😅 It's all just baffling how people twist it.

[@serveddownonem]

yes !! if ppl want to get rid of everything that could be triggering then there wouldn’t be any good media.. also i love your art sm 😭

[@mykaruest3620]

​@@sourgreendolly7685 I'm sorry but asking for a TW on someone's vent art feels, gross. If I ever publish my writings and someone said that it needed to TW especially for something that's meaningful to me and see as a part of myself I'd be offended. I noticed a lot of TW are on stuff that's emotional, vulnerable, and meaning to the artist which is sad. I might as well put a TW on my forehead.

[@Kitthecatgod]

Agreed, though really triggering art should probably have a tw or cw For example: fresh sh wounds, graphic descriptions of sa/ csa, and other overly graphic stuff

[@Temperans]

​@@mykaruest3620 Trigger warnings are literally meant to warn people that something might not be suitable for them. It doesn't stop your art, nor thus it stop them from deciding if they want to see it. Besides because its personal you would have a better idea of what part you think need a warning. As opposed to having some random person lock it for no reason. (Trigger warnings also ironically bring more attention to the work, as seen with the parental guidance sticker).

[@chaosdemoncat]

i think the thing about "you cant post vent artwork because xyz" that annoys me the most is that every OTHER type of artist CAN (and is encouraged), just not visual artists. singers, songwriters, writers, poets, and all sorts of people under that scope are free to vent about their problems through song and writing. actors and actresses and even dancers or comedians can vent in performative ways. but for some reason. its always visual artists who arent allowed to express themselves fully. whats the point if we cant? what is this all for? art can have many auxiliary purposes. money, attention, practice, whatever. but at the core, every single artist of every type and of every medium is expressing themselves. and that should never be disallowed.

[@CatsEverywhere33]

I agree, i see comments like "make your own vent acc" sometimes they're as an advice and other times they're like annoyed with it and i just don't get it, if they're so annoyed just don't watch the artist or whatever?? They're going trough things and they need to let it out, especially online it is supposed to be a safe place to vent since you can keep your privacy and have others be there for you etc.

[@mysryuza]

THIS 👏🏼

[@Mythos998]

I’ve never made or posted vent art, but I can see why people would

[@Your_Local_Weirdo75]

same

[@PeriluneStar]

Yeah

[@TrashyPeachy_]

Same

[@BlueMoonRaccoon016]

True

[@machinehorrific]

when i heard celestia list those points on why people dislike vent art i was honestly dumbfounded, i personally never post my vents cause theyre very personal to me and id be uncomfortable sharing them, and honestly i think that should be the only criteria used by an artist on deciding to make their vents public or not vent art is a valid and healthy way to cope, the idea that it romanticizes mental illness is stupid to me, and artists have no control or responsibility over who sees their art or not, if thats a concern as long as the piece is properly tagged thats not gonna be an issue

[@the-postal-dude]

i'm shocked nobody (that ive seen) has mentioned dollieguts. her entire situation is that she drew her self insert with self harm scars and bruises, clearly in an unhappy relationship (the partner very obviously mirrored her real life partner at the time,) and then got cancelled because her art style was cute and pastel. years later, she came out about being abused by her aforementioned partner.

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

The way people react to vent art is why I don’t post it anywhere, I just send the, to my friends when they say they’re cool with it 🥺

[@chocokat5216]

Honestly, having your partner create an entire website for your pet is a really sweet gesture lmao

[@chronos5882]

I just recently listened to kikou's song I’m sorry I’m sorry which is about sexual child abuse and oh boy did it fuck me over but I read the comments and saw how much people found comfort in having what they went through depicted in such a gruesome way because that’s what it was. The only horror being that it happened and still happens to so many people.

[@mysryuza]

That’s what’s interesting about people. For some, it can trigger someone’s trauma while for others the same work can be comforting in being heard and awareness.

[@serveddownonem]

haven’t finished yet, but my “vent art” isn’t really gorey or bloody and traumatic, mine just has to do with something negative that happened. some examples of vent drawings I’ve made are of candy wrappers or things I’ve eaten that i associate with that time, a location, or just an oc during a bad era of their lives that’s similar to mine. (like in the kind of clothes they wore during it) I don’t find this problematic to post , because whether I say it’s vent or not, people viewing them most likely won’t be traumatized or triggered, bc to them it’s just a random drawing that I associate with something else. when I explain how and WHY it’s vent art is when it becomes triggering and possibly problematic. edit: IM NOT TRYING TO SAY IM BETTER THAN OTHERS OR ANYTHING DONT GET MAD AT ME !!

[@poseidons_child.]

Random Karen: YOUR TRIGGERED MY CHILD BECAUSE IF THOSE STUPID CANDY WRAPPERS.

[@mooonblooom]

@@poseidons_child. i dont think a "karen" would ever use the word "triggered"

[@FrogKanna]

My vent art is similar to yours, but I never post it to social media, it feels too personal for me to do so. I don’t see the problem with people posting vent art though, as long as it isn’t gory or alike, it’s fine to post.

[@poseidons_child.]

@@mooonblooom True.

[@mooonblooom]

someone has gotta tell tiktok and twitter to stop using the word "romanticise" at every chance they get

[@patchyworx]

Someone's gotta tell tiktok and twitter to just stop in general tbh

[@guy-named-xtatic]

tbh those apps really taught people the wrong definition of words like "queer baiting" etc.

[@sylvianimates]

LMAO RIGHT

[@keketopia]

Honestly, Twitter and tiktok gave people the wrong definition of everything. I see a lot of people misuse pick-me a lot to the point where they will literally call someone a pick-me for simply existing. (Like Wonyoung for example) People need to sit down, relax, and go breathe outside.

[@Brunette_2005]

If I feel triggered by someones art, I block it or blend it out. Pretty much every social media offers that

[@ch0colatec0ff33]

Im glad you mentioned giving OCs sh scars. It's something I've Always been extremely self conscious about because I've never wanted the fact I gave my OCS these scars, seen as romanticizing them. I have scars myself, and sharing them with an oc helps bring me comfort in my own. While I understand that the drawings of these scars should have trigger warning, there's also a part of me that makes me feel ashamed about it. I cant put a trigger warning on my arms or legs.

[@HiBuddyyyyyy]

Same. It’s good to hear that other people do that too. I also get worried about it being ‘romanticised’ because the OC’s sh isn’t exactly ‘plot relevant’, but still, the OC has helped me a lot and it is a part of the character now like real people with actual scars.

[@musingsofmessa]

As someone who started experiencing a*ditory h*llucinations about a year or two ago, I only made two pieces of vent art, which came to be when I had bad episodes and needed to draw it out. Although, I only shared them on Discord and Twitter (with spoilers). And I posted the art to let others know I'm an artist who struggles heavily with mental issues - not really to gain likes, followers, or clout. When I want to share my art, the amount of likes doesn't exactly matter to me as much as wanting to share my art with others does (regardless if it's vent art or my regular pieces). But other than that, I haven't really shared my vent art with anyone else. In all honesty, vent art can be kinda scary or jarring if you're in the flow creating it to drown stuff out, and you take a step back to look at what you made. At least that's how it was for me.

[@Spookatz.]

I'm not in the know. Why is that censored? Isn't "auditory hallucinations" a fairly standard and inoffensive term?

[@jeremyyates1026]

​@@Spookatz. I assume it can be triggering for some people. similar to how anyone with bpd (which is the disorder I suffer from) will censor out abandonment and some other words just incase that particular part is triggering. to people outside that illness it's just a word but to them it could be something else entirely.

[@Spookatz.]

@@jeremyyates1026 that's understandable.

[@miau5878]

@@jeremyyates1026 but how is it less triggering if its censored? like u can still tell it says auditory hallucinations

[@jeremyyates1026]

@@miau5878 you can tell that's what it is yes but it's not as bad as using the word it's self for some people. the brain is weird

[@blazethesteamdragon6202]

My thoughts about vent art are simple: Does it follow TOS? Does it have appropriate content warnings? Is it the artist's own work/do they have permission to use the work? If all those criteria are satisfied then I do not care.

[@mangoiguess1650]

I've never posted vent art online before, but I have looked through other people's vents that relate to my situation to cope with my problems. Sometimes when you're depressed/anxious/or just sad in general, you need to see that other people are also going through your same struggles, it makes you feel less alone and comforted in a way. Not only does vent art help the person posting the vent art, but it can also help the people seeing it as well

[@anname7373]

For me, the intent to show my art to others inherently changes the art. So I don't post my vent art online and never intend to because this way I can be the most honest with myself.

[@GoddessOfThree]

I remember several years ago, before I'd ever heard of vent art as a phenomenon, I watched a movie called "To the Bone" about teens suffering with profound eating disorders (take that as a content warning). While it was difficult for me to understand exactly what happened (the dialogue was somewhat vague), what I eventually pieced together that the whole exposition around the main character was that she (I believe) had been posting essentially vent art and it had led to some other, total stranger, girl unaliving herself. From the start, the other girl's mom and even people in the MC's life were SOOOO accusatory, disappointed, and/or just cruel to her, like she had done something evil and CAUSED the other girl's action, totally blaming the MC and her presumably graphic art for triggering it. The girl may have even cited MC's art in her letter, I can't quite remember. Even before ever having heard of vent art or any of the discourse around it, I was immediately confused and disgusted at those characters. I think I gave the mom who'd just lost her daughter a little slack, assuming she'd not be in her right mind and may eventually come around and realize her misplaced hatred... but I'm pretty sure even the MC's OWN FAMILY was like, diappointed with her?! I was like WTF?!?!?! SHE is suffering too!!! She is allowed to express her own pain and suffering, and was presumably NOT glorifying or encouraging it. For all we know, making and sharing that art could have been the only thing keeping HER alive. If somebody else sees and interprets it as glorification or encouragement, it may not be their fault, but it's also NOT the artist's fault. Overall I think I appreciated the movie, but that was the one point that kinda otherwise ruined it to me. I don't think it was ever revisited, or even necessarily corrected by the narrative. It just showed all these people villainizing simply another victim, her feeling guilty and torn apart by it, and then... that's it? The rest of the movie was about her getting help for her own eating disorder, and I don't recall anyone ever telling her that the event from the beginning WASN'T her fault. So if someone did ever say that, either it was tossed in there in a super insignificant way, or my memory is just shot. Either way, what I took away from that movie was that they never condemned the blaming of this poor girl for what happened, and it was really gross and I hated it. And now, listening to you discuss the topic directly, I'm better understanding why I felt that way.

[@Rockhoppr3]

As someone who is currently recovering from self-h*rm and s**cidal thoughts, I've had people accuse me on occasion of romanticizing/glorifying my depression due to some of the vent art I've posted. From their wording, I couldn't tell if they've never experienced mental illnesses and are making assumptions that do, or if they suffered from mental illnesses and are making assumptions about me. But what is clear is that they've never bothered to check in with the artist who posts vent art. They just can't be bothered to drop a "you doing okay?" or "is something wrong?".

[@oalevine]

Never posted my own vent art anywhere, but a long time ago i was following this one artist, really liked their work. Have been following them for years and never had any issues. And then one day i saw their vent art piece appear on my dash, and it triggered me, badly, even though that wasn't the first time i saw something like that. Then it happened again a short while later, and i decided it was time to unfollow. Hated that i had to do it, their art was very pretty and it also wasn't all vent only, but it was my responsibility to take care of myself. It would have been completely unreasonable of me to demand they stop posting vent pieces. As was said in the video, you automatically sign up to the possibility of being exposed to all kinds of unpleasant stuff when you decide to use any online platform. Can't handle? Then i'm really sorry, but just stay offline

[@Crystre]

I’m in the Gacha community and I to this day remember someone saying “vents are just as bad if not worse as Gacha heat”. For some context Gacha heat is nsfw made using the Gacha app, despite what most people say it’s pretty hard to come by unless you search it out. The point is this person thought someone talking about their irl problems was worse than nsfw made in a mainly minor filled community! It’s been months since it happened but it still boils my blood.

[@stencilfox5]

Of the many times I've shared Vent art I had backlash from those who got a deeper view about me in the darkest parts of my mind, and I now have my Vent art as a more independent thing for me that helps me feel better it's like intrusive thoughts I'd never want what I draw to ever bestowed onto me or anyone around me, I just also am a visual person so saying I'm sad vs drawing something a but more distressing crying and warped might be a bit uncomfortable so I hold me Vent art in a folder and once in a while share Vent art but Don't share why I made it because some people relate to Vent art, I know when I see inspirational quoted happy art it's weird I feel more in awe and attached to a Vent art like a skull with flowers or other art like this that can range from passion to distress and despair. Your videos are always very captivating and I'm happy to see someone talk about this.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

I'm a fan of separate accounts for it. I find connection in venting communities and I understand how some are triggered so that kind of separation helps. That's what gets me though, people put it all in one box when we all have differing reasons and uses for our vent art.

[@celot9412]

A majority of the music i listen to are venting type songs, and i think its been pretty beneficial to me since i can just listen to the music to get all of my emotions out instead of lashing out at other people. So yeah, vent art can definitely have positive effects when its shared. Not to mention a lot of old art we see is also vent art and if that wasn’t shared, artists would be much further behind in our ability to convey emotions authentically.

[@the-postal-dude]

most of the music i listen to are not vents, but deal with insanely dark subject matter. see: chased through the woods by a r*pist by waking the cadaver, or soil the stillborn by infant annihilator. ive seen people say that IA was condoning child r*pe because they write in the perspective of a cult leader who does horrible things like idk, murdering and assaulting babies. even though it's obvious a critique of churches and an exaggeration intended to make you feel sick.

[@Bee8467]

Oh my gosh new cat website just dropped!! Also yeah serious vent art is something i could never see myself posting because i am bad at letting people see my ✨emotions✨

[@kiwilittle_]

I dont blame the artists for the vent art but mostly the apps mainly because if I scroll through insta reels, there are a lot of vent reels from artist showing up and I cant even scroll through for too long without getting triggered

[@guelphdeliverygirl]

Yeah, i get triggered easily for anything regarding s/h but i wont harass people for mentioning it. And by easily i mean that her saying s/h even beeped out triggered me alot

[@KiyoshiArts]

As someone who every once in a while posts vent art, I gotta say that it helps me express myself but to those around me as well. I’m not really the kind of person to say that they’re upset so making vent art and posting it is another way of me saying: “I’m upset” or “I’m not happy right now”

[@marshmallowbaby6473]

Imagine if artists were never allowed to explore tough or distressing topics through their art

[@Sayurichyan]

For me, if I made a vent art and kept it private, I'll feel like I haven't vented at all. My healing process requires me to put it where there is "air flow" to let fresh air circulate through.

[@CosmosSolarSystem]

“You shouldnt be able to make money off of your vent art cause it upsets me and making money off of mental illness!” Dude. My mental illness. My choice if i wanna make money off of the expression of my suffering and mental turmoil. (Its as simple as that. Its YOUR art and your choice if you want to share).

[@zephyrfaeborn4768]

Thank you for these videos. My girlfriend found your video on "cringe" art and she is starting to open up and want to make art again. We just watched this video together and she found it inspiring and completely right. So thank you again for videos like this one.

[@emberthearsonist]

I have created vent art but I never share it with others. I'm personally against the sharing of it to be honest. It can trigger people who see it, it can attract the wrong audience, and it can do some serious harm to the artist themselves in the long run. I feel like if someone's gonna post vent art they should do it in a safe space with people going through similar experiences.

[@CreativaArtly]

I’ve posted a few vent art pieces in my time and it definitely has helped me cope through some of the roughest times in my life. It truly is an amazing therapy! It really really is!!!

[@aspenmp4222]

Usually art can express how u want to feel, I don’t Post vent Art normally I keep it to myself maybe in the future I might but not sure I usually can’t express my words into it but rather drawing is therapy for most of us and I think there isn’t anything wrong with it unless if ppl is uncomfortable with vents I suggest them to scroll

[@biboybunny]

The way I see it. Posting vent art is fine. Sometimes posting is a part of the intention so the artist can help bring awareness to something. But it is the artist's responsibility to give their audience the tools to avoid triggering subjects. Like using trigger warnings. Especially if the vent art is different from what they normally post. It is the viewers responsibility to use the tools given (like trigger warnings) to avoid potentially triggering subjects.

[@GlisteningDes1ra3]

The only time I think vent art is questionable when people don't add a trigger warning if it contains gore, eyestrain, etc. and use it for personal gain/manipulating others and they aren't actually struggling. Usually the latter since the former is most likely an accident. I avoid vent art because I overthink a lot, but I don't think it's invalid.

[@Sirensongsketches]

I’ve posted vent art before and it makes me feel just a tiny bit better.

[@xquenda275]

The most annoying thing is when vent art is “cringe”. Because literally *what the fuck* 💀

[@shy2infinity]

I've never drawn vent art *that* intense, but I do write venty poetry/stories. And more than just giving me a sense of peace/closure, it helps me to put my experiences into words. I used to write a poem of what I was feeling or experiencing and show it to my best friend when I couldn't explain what was happening normally. It's different from vent art, obviously, but I still think it's just another way for people to express themselves when they're having trouble expressing themselves in other ways.

[@skythedragon7897]

As someone who routinely draws vent art, it's important to me and my experiences to share it with at least my friends due to being silenced about my feelings. Most of the art isn't very vague in its subject matter so I don't post it. I genuinely worry about getting yelled at if I do post it. I'm probably going to make a different account for it. Thanks for the video Celestia

[@itzendieboiz]

personally i think its ok as long as you tag it right. make sure its tagged with vent art and any triggers it might have and i think your good to go

[@poseidons_child.]

So wait…if I draw vent art about me getting mad at the food triangle, I could have someone have a mental breakdown? Gods dam.

[@speks.shortcut]

in my opinion- art is meant to be a form of self expression.. regardless of what art form it takes in (music, dance, visual, theatre) many of the famous artists of the past have depicted various struggles in their lives, and those paintings/artworks have been sold.. no one seems to mind that they (all be it gone now) have depicted their struggles…. but now if people label something as “vent art” it’s bad. - anyways i agree with a lot of your statements/opinions in the video, and this is just another addition i have to this whole conversation :))

[@magicianofstarlight3123]

Lol most of my "vent" drawings are just my OC standing there looking pissy and with her arms crossed of something of the sort. I don't really like to make complex or detailed artworks with gore and all that stuff because that would take me a lot of time and almost always I just want to get those emotions off of my chest quickly. And also because, unless it's something like Yume Nikki or Undertale fanart, that people actually like because of its "dark and edgy" themes, people normally don't care a lot about gore because it's not really "aesthetically pleasing", and as someone who's quite desperate for getting commissions, I oughta make drawing that are as aesthetically pleasing as possible so people say "huh yeah this artist draws nice" and stuff.

[@wirlogx]

I've seen a lot of vent art, the most common are artists who fell lonely and say they have not friends. When I or others try to reach them in order to be that friend they're asking for, usually go silent. people making vent art saying they love some kind of art of characters but when people reaches them it goes silent again. To me vent art is a seek for the five minutes of attention, maybe because I only find those kind of posts...

[@epicdunsparce7072]

In the wise words of ancient fic writers: Tag Your Shit. (Yes, it may be less helpful for visual art depending on the platform. But still)

[@stiiinkyray]

As long as everything is tagged appropriately, we good

[@SF-TDW]

I recall there are also legal reasons and regulations why your therapist wouldnt share the vent art you made, such as HIPPA.

[@Cheetomelito]

I dont have anything to add to the video I agree with all your points just wanted to let you know as someone who’s been watching your videos for more than a year now Im glad you’re making videos about things that you enjoy and you’re one of the few art youtubers that I genuinely enjoy watching. You’re much more authentic than others and much more raw with your takes as well not to mention your art is awesome. So I just felt like letting you know that I really enjoy your content and even when you do more experimental videos and things that aren’t as popular with the algorithm I still watch them and appreciate the effort you put in them, so thank you for being an honest channel that I can return to anytime I want to listen to art related things :)

[@rfart419]

Personally, I still want to become a famous KZbin artist known for openly venting my frustration or anger in professional artwork because I'm so tired of feeling left out or misunderstood all the time because of my autism. 😢❤🎉

[@lyssabug2887]

I've never posted any of my vent art, but I've had a small sketchbook for specifically vent art and it's changed my whole view of art- Even if you're not looking at the therapeutic aspect of it that talks about how to get your feelings out and on paper rather than stuck in your head, it's even just helped me remember every once in a while that I don't need to show everything I make- It reminds me that any and all pressure I feel from drawing things that look good or something to show to my family or friends doesn't always need to be the case: I can be allowed to draw whatever is in my head at that moment and not have to show it off or get feedback from anyone. I can literally just doodle it while I'm having some breakdown at 2 am crying and not have to elaborate on it because I'm the only audience. it's freeing, healing, and it's even just helped me grow as an artist from a skill standpoint- pouring emotion into drawings comes from practice, and real, raw emotions you really feel, not from just watching how others feel things. So if that practice is venting in art form and you drawing your own personal representations of your fear, sadness, desperation, anger, or hopelessness, than let it be that little space where you can let go and cry, or be how you don't want to be in front of the world.

[@aniflowers1998]

My vent art is rather tame, compared to the slightly more morbid art I drew in middle school, and especially comoared to other peoples vent art. I asume it's partly becouse I don't like gore. I think the only real trigger warning that I could reasonably put on my stuff now, is "fear of drowning", and even that it's more metaphorical than literall xD

[@Thinginator]

I’ve only made vent art once and don’t have it anymore, but to me processing and expressing complex emotions is one of the core aspects of art! That’s basically what art is for! Sharing vent art is just sharing art, and if it makes you feel something - good, it accomplished its task in trying to make you take its message seriously. Discouraging people from sharing art that expresses complex emotions is discouraging art itself as a concept! It’s not just pretty images. Plus, people sharing complex emotions in art form helps ME who may not have experienced a lot of them to understand and emphasize with what others are going through. Mental illness is really confusing for those who aren’t dealing with it, and seeing vent art helps. I want to emphasize and understand people, I don’t want them to hide what they’re going through.

[@MissMe_ANGEL]

I don’t like the idea that people think vent art is romanticizing or glorifying mental illness. However I believe it can be if you do it in a way that is glorifying it like making it as a joke or making it cute in some way. But it’s hard to say since people do vent art in many ways. But as an artist myself who suffers from possible ptsd I draw vent art during breakdowns and it truly truly helps me.

[@CrescentVixen666]

I might have seen this video a bit late but it's still very greatly made. as someone who struggles and makes vent art to cope (especially with sh), I really appreachiate this. I also personally have a whole extra account dedicated to vent art and always put a tw beforehand, so that people who don't wanna see it don't have to. Again, great video. It really made me feel better, since I always felt bad to post my vent art sometimes, even when I know I hadn't had any bad intentions with it.

[@weewoo6722]

Thank you so much for this video and your take on this Celestia! I occasionally post my vent art because it just makes me feel seen and valid, and I also want to encourage other artists to make vent art for its therapeutic benefits, but I often get worried about backlash or triggering someone with it, so it makes me really happy to hear your take on this!

[@SirAnimosity]

Whats that common phrase? Art is meant to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable. Art is extremely personal. It is a way to express yourself when words aren’t able to. Its disgusting to tell someone youre glorifying mental illness for simply posting your art when venting in music is common.

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

One year later, but I was thinking of this again. Mainly because I've been drawing vent art a lot lately... Maybe? Um, basically. I stopped drawing for awhile, because of IRL stuff + I started seeing my current sketchbook, as something that needs to be finished. Instead of something to draw and have fun in I am drawing in it more, not as often as before. But still drawing in it. And lately, it's been my secondary Sona, dressed as a bunnie girl/Playboy bunny Why? 'Cause I'm feeling tired, or just... Negative. And I want I want to draw self indulgent art Idk, if it like, "fits the dictionary definition" of vent art. But to me, it expresses how I feel Will I post it? Maybe some of it? I haven't decided yet

[@Opalescent_Sun]

Depicting =/= Romanticizing

[@Valentine--]

When people show their vent art im sure its to express themselves and is for others who might can relate to their experience kniw their not alone and connect in their little online circles of tears, and letting out their emotions in something they all have a passion for, art.

[@sugarzblossom8168]

I remember people accusing strawberry milkshake or whatever as faking her art being vent art

[@Landminegirl01]

Yasss finally, I’ve been told over and over again by those who call themselves ‘survivors’ that i am a jerk and toxic just because I tackle heavy subjects matters in my artworks with no specific trigger warning . (despite having PTSD myself) people tell me that i am inconsiderate of the rest. Like? What do they expect? Do they really think that the internet will cater each one’s phobias? No. Nor the world will be kind to us either, I’ve seen many great artworks gets deleted because some people think that the internet is a safe space, while you can literally scroll away.

[@koshak7910]

if not post vent art then what to post? there was a time in my life when vent art was the only thing that helped me to express emotions in the safest way possible and i almost didn't draw anything else

[@cryptic_Data]

i believe it's important to post vent art sometimes. for me personally, posting my vent art online in the past helped get me the help i needed, it made me realize i did need mental help. it gives others a space to believe they aren't alone in their struggles if they find my art relatable. sometimes all people need is a space to feel like they're understood and thats why i think vent art is important. there is a difference between glorifying and excusing mental health, and using art as an outlet and reaching out for help rather than having a mental spiral. nobody should have to hide their mental health, and everyone should have the ability to vent their emotions when they need to. (apologies if some of this sounds like words on repeat, i have a reading disability)

[@lilbread1717]

Artemisia Gentileschi was an italian baroque painter, and she is known for her biblical paintings of women taking vengeance on the men who harmed or abused them. It was literally vent art, as she had been raped, betrayed and tortured, and put her pain into her art. A lot of people who goes through trauma publish books about it, they're making money from it and also are getting their feelings out, one doesn't stop the other...

[@Pugzie2000]

I've never shared vent art, but I have shared art that could be potentially triggering (i.e gore and blood), I think that posting this art is fine if a trigger warning is included

[@waterworks_yes]

don’t have much to say about this topic personally, just doing the usual comment to boost celestia’s videos in the algorithm :)

[@Kitthecatgod]

I used to make bent art and it genuinely helped. As long as there’s a trigger or content warning attached to the art I think it’s fine to post

[@mzcyberbat]

Take responsibility for yourself. If you get upset it's on *you* to protect yourself. Give artists freedom

[@luhan5123]

I think much like vent art, there's a part of NSFW art that works as a vent too like i know I'm expressing this terribly, but what I mean is: if vent art works in the same way it work for certain NSFW artists, then I feel like posting it and sharing it does have a healing effect, because upon receiving comments of acceptance towards what we do, we release a certain burden we have, we put this thing that is piling up inside us to good use, literally that used to be the concept of libido, it's like a bunch of energy of different contents piling up inside us, some ppl vent it through exercise, some through having eh... Other more intimate kind of exercises, artists vent it through art, writers vent it through writing, and even asexual ppl like... Some ace ppl still do touch themselves even if they don't feel attraction for doing it with someone else. I'm not saying that nsfw artists are avoiding being some sort of r*p*st by just drawing and share it, and some even do it terribly by specifically sending their NSFW art to minors but that's a particular thing that is specifically bad, like bad for specific reasons, minors should not be exposed to that material, that's why sites have filters, sharing it with them willingly is deserving of jail.

[@the-postal-dude]

nsfw art and vent art tend to overlap, since some kinks are related to trauma. such as CNC, which some sa survivors use as a means of coping.

[@luhan5123]

@@the-postal-dude thank you

[@ARRIANH]

I have that one person back then telling me how posting vent art online is romantisizing illness. I then stopped posting it and now I'm as mentally ill way more than I am. Thanks to them Edit: I don't have that person as my moot anymore thank god but I'm still traumatize

[@LocalGooberGoobs]

I’ve made a decent amount of vent art, but I never really specified it as vent art, just cool little neon drawings. I don’t do it often anymore, but when I do, it’s to myself only

[@RandoSando.]

Oh so that's what vent art is. My first introduction to vent art was a Twitter user posting legit p*do art/p*rn as "vent art". That, I completely disagree with.

[@vampybyte7812]

For me personally, my sona it's self is a vent sona, I.E she faced a lot of the same trauma I did with an ex partner. The difference is while I never got justice for what said ex did, She did and though exaggerated ofc with my writing, She's slowly dealing with finding a new identity as her ex turned her into a vampire against her will. Call it what you will but I find often then not those who are traumatized, abused etc find we turn into completely different people even after we escape the abusers that harmed us. We can't be the same happy, blissfully unaware people we were before, Echo's of it will show through but that's it, anything can crush it even the smallest discouragement. It's why vent art/ writing is so therapeutic and often then not we share it to tell other survivors it's ok and that they aren't alone. Often times it's a cry for help. I'm not too far into the video but already I appreciate you debunking this idea that it's romanization. I actually plan on making a video myself on my sona and her struggles, But I wasn't sure when to make it, you've defiantly encouraged me to go ahead with it.

[@Oxytail]

Really weird how visual arts are so scrutinized, because musicians will make the most vent lyrics ever and people will make entire MVs in their head when it comes on the platlist. Somehow other arts never get even 5% the shaming that visual arts do.

[@qlex9343]

Though I've still got to watch the whole video I can say I'm really curious about this, since i haven't actually seen vent art in some time, and I'm curious about how people use it now.

[@MelodyMute]

To add onto to the point of the hypocrisy of vent art used for profit argument: even if making vent art for profit somehow not makes it vent art, so? It's then just regular dark art, which is normal. Regardless if the art was made to vent, that doesn't change the fact that stories with dark themes should be allowed to be sold. Horror and murder mysteries are their own genres, Courage the cowardly dog had topics like grief and abusive relationships that it got to cover like any vent art can today, heck, we can get really wacky we could argue anti-drug PSAs fall under this for showing drugs and overdosing. This stuff is shown, advertised, and bought like crazy and we don't claim glorifying cause they're trying to show how those things effect people, but that consideration or understanding isn't lent to vent art. The argument of vent art shouldn't be profited is a knee jerk reaction at best with someone not realizing they grew up with dark themes already and the personal aspect of vent art doesn't change the value, or it's a bad faith argument for someone not wanting to see dark themes at all and instead of taking themselves out of the situation, blame others.

[@lulub517]

I had to draw myself some very dark vent art at one point in order to get out any legitimately dangerous contemplative thoughts from my head, especially after being partially affected by a scene in a horror movie, a scene in which a character commits suicide and is seen in a very graphic image with how she did it. That particular scene along with the soundtrack and the main character’s reaction impacted me for a while more than any other scene in the movie, so I had to kind of get it out of my system. I never shared the piece and instead remastered it for a joke about a video game when I was feeling a lot more in control (erasing a lot of the disturbing gory aspects of it in the process) But getting something dark and edgy out of my system for myself is a lot more therapeutic than never drawing/writing it.

[@Kittyboi.]

Most vent art I’ve seen has been tagged as vent art.

[@loki_is_tired]

Personally, for me, sharing vent art *is* the release. There are a few pieces of vent art I've made that I absolutely cannot force myself to share - generally the less abstract pieces - but the entire rest of it just isn't properly effective unless I post it publicly or show it to my friends. So, every time I see people debate whether or not it's okay to post, my opinion is always that the problem is not the posting itself, but the situation surrounding it. Like not marking it as mature or NSFW content, and not taking precautions to make sure people are aware of the content that they are about to see. However, I still do not believe that making such a mistake is something an artist should be harassed over - nothing is, really - and that's my issue with everything surrounding it. Like, if you saw someone's art, and that art is triggering to you, it isn't the artist's fault for creating it. It's likely their mistake or, often, unawareness of what precautions to take when posting, that causes someone to see it. So I think the real action that should be taken on the topic is just more open discussion of it. Public awareness of such a topic is almost never negative. Edit: I don't hold all artists to the standards I hold myself. I feel that for me, taking precautions such as content warnings and mature tags *is* a standard. However, for other artists, I generally consider it a responsible and respectful thing to do, but never necessary. I wish that it was possible for no one to ever come across triggering content, and for all artists to be able to comfortably share their vent art, but sometimes healing your pain can hurt someone else. That's no one's fault. If you want to blame anyone in specific, blame the algorithm of the platform you saw it on. The artist doesn't choose to place vent art directly in front of you; the algorithm did.

[@gundam0121]

myself i have interacted with vent art that i am aware of. but for my self when i see it in videos animation or books i find it helpful that it reminds me that i am not the only one who has suffered in that way.

[@asuko-san7440]

For me, as an artist struggling with multiple mental disorders because of childhood trauma I find it it can be both therapeutic as much as it can be just showing off pain. Sometimes I wish I could express how I feel or be able to say help when I’m just unable to say it without deleting it 3 sec after so making art about it helps sooooo much cause it’s like saying « hey I’m not okay as you can see so please notice it ». (And before someone calls me an attention seeker, I’m just like so many other people that have mental illness. It comes with the package)

[@E3AloeLi]

I’m really glad I saw this because I have a character that I want to use in my vent art because this character is the raw emotions of this really specific trauma that I have and I was really scared to make a vent art of him because I want to make a comic where he is a character in that and sort of work through that trauma But I was scared that people would try to harass me because I would post fanart of him.

[@hackwolfin]

On the topic, I feel like it's much more of a range than "vent art" to "romanticizing harm", though I unstand you kept it simple for the video to not get into every bit of it. dkjbfgdskjbdg Like, many others have said, art is personal. Telling a story, fictional or not, with our art is up to the artist. Sometimes that falls on some dark topics, but in most cases, it's not with the intention of causing harm to others. Another great video, keep up the great work!

[@n908qd7]

tbh, I don't really care if people post vent art. In all honesty, I don't even *know* how to feel or react when I see vent art. Sometimes I can't feel anything nor can I tell if I'm supposed to react at all. I don't know how to explain this without sounding like an a**hole. For some reason, I'll feel sympathy, but other times I 'll feel skepticism. And in some cases, absolutely nothing. It's so weird. I've never been able to understand human emotion very well, so there's that also. Ngl, I don't know how to really speak on this.

[@oncreativemode5486]

i sorta get it; vent art could at times look like normal illustrations and like duchess said, you can't always tell someone's motive on their work based on the art piece alone

[@FrogKanna]

Vent art has never been something I make a lot, it usually just comes to me through bad episodes and i end up deleting the results of it, mostly because I’d prefer to move on then think about it too much. I never post vent art either and if I need to let my emotions out more, i tend to write whole paragraphs on how it feels, frustrations in my life and other struggles that accompany my overall mood. Vent art deserves to be shared though, because I know for a fact that there is a bunch of discussions I’d would have greatly appreciated if a vent piece was posted. Once a piece is posted, it usually wakes up discussions in the comments, or vents of their own, and sometimes it’s just nice to hear about other peoples struggles. You don’t need to share your own, but just hearing about what others have gone through can be nice, it makes you feel like you aren’t alone, but it doesn’t invalidate your own feelings either. It just makes you feel more connected to reality by knowing others struggle too, and there doesn’t need to be anything more to that.

[@bluethebunnylord9274]

I like to draw vent art involving my character’s emotions and mental health to better understand as a writer what they’re going through. I hate to say it, but it’s a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine… especially when I like to use symbolism in these pieces to better explain what the character is going through. I dunno, that’s just how my autistic brain works I guess…

[@taylorbechstein1681]

glorifying mental illness: 13 reasons why not glorifying mental illness: vent art

[@gr1nm]

To summarise both videos (this and the one about l*licon) : Vent art and l*li/sh*tacon are completely different. Vent art's main purpose is to express all emotions, and l*licon/sh*tacon main purpose is to sexualise minors because of their age.

[@purgxzur1]

honestly on platforms like Pinterest where you either can't properly trigger warn things or people don't know how to, it may be best not to post there at all since there are many better places to post it where you can be more considerate of your audience. Plus on some platforms such as Pinterest, media depicting things like self harm is explicitly against the guidelines so there's not much good that comes out of posting on those kinds of places - someone who's made and posted vent art, trigger warned it properly sometimes and not done that other times and seen art that's triggered him

[@the-postal-dude]

honestly i don't think you shouldn't post a drawing to a platform just because you are unable to put a trigger warning. for example, there aren't trigger warnings on Spotify... should that mean that bands like waking the cadaver, pissgrave, and infant annihilator shouldn't be allowed? absolutely not. as someone who has dealt with self harm and abuse, i don't think trigger warnings are necessary. they're considerate, yes, but for stuff like sh scars and injuries, i... really don't think it's necessary. plus, generally on social media you'll get shown things similar to what you're already liking. if it upsets you, just block and move on.

[@KASANATION]

If i posted my vent art, id give a trigger warning, some context, positive energy/awareness that whatever can happen/is happening, and to see if people like how it looks. I always try and make my artwork look appealing (not for others but for myself). If people respond and give advice or something, ill use it to the best of my abilities. I wont ask for help unless I severely need it.

[@the-postal-dude]

are you trying to say that others should do this? i am confused

[@KASANATION]

@@the-postal-dude others dont; im just saying hypothetically if i did post, thats what i would do :)

[@the-postal-dude]

@@KASANATION oh ok i was just confused what your point was

[@itza1792]

I have never posted vent art but I have seen many vent art videos and vent art pictures posted by people. I do understand why people post it, it can help them feel better and it can also make the people who see it feel better in a way.

[@parad0x200]

Doing vent art is fine-it’s a good thing to do it, even if it may not be a strategy that works for everyone. Posting it without a content warning is not good. I get triggered almost every day because someone posts a vent about something or other without a tw, due to past and current experiences. Personally I’m against posting your vent art, please keep it to yourself/your friend group or properly place warnings. Not everyone wants to see that, especially on an app like TikTok where it gets shoved in your face. If you want to post your vents, post them. It’s not my problem and I don’t really care when it doesn’t get shoved in my face. But PLEASE for the love of god properly add warnings to it if it’s going on a short-form content platform like TikTok or Shorts. At the very least add a short “TW: blank” segment to the start. But this is just coming from one very easily triggered person. Make of this what you will, take this essay of a comment with a grain of salt lmao. Just saying my opinion on the subject.

[@hoshipan_]

"Is vent art bad" I cannot believe discourse has come so far.... incredible 🧍‍♀️. Expressing yourself in art, your feelings, sad or happy, has always been one of the main purposes of art. To see that people feel entitled enough to speak against people expressing their sorrow... idk man it makes me pissed off. Not your cup of tea? Curate your feed goddammit don't make it worse for someone who is already suffering.

[@cherrycabin]

I’ve seen this a lot with vent accounts and it makes me so fvcking angry. Like who cares if someone puts heh or :) at the end of the post??? I’ve seen ppl use a quote on quote “cringy” examples and then reply with “do it” “hurry up” and “good” like people are genuinely so god d@mn disgusting

[@buttercupkat]

I respectfully disagree with the opinion artists aren't obligated to warn others a post they've made is vent art. Taking a few minutes to blur the image and add text listing the appropriate trigger warnings either on the image or post itself with the next panel containing the uncensored art to prevent a mental breakdown is decency, not kindness. Artistic freedom does not include giving others panic attacks over sensitive subject matter. People also can't control, only curate, what the algorithm shows them and sometimes this includes posts they don't want to see. I do agree with everything else though and appreciate you educating others on why vent art, no matter the setting, is helpful! Your videos are always well-spoken despite me not agreeing with all points. Thanks for making them! They benefit all who watch them

[@_void_with_eyes_]

I completely agree with you. As somebody who's made vent art I have, and always will, add at least a warning just in case. I've been in that kind of situation in the past where I've just been scrolling and the algorithm gives me something triggering without any kind of warning on it.

[@the-postal-dude]

ok, does music like "soil the stillborn" by infant annihilator require a trigger warning at the beginning then? that would be ridiculous. people like you are obviously not into shock art scenes (id argue most death metal is apart of that, hell pissgrave literally uses corpses in their album covers and cannibal corpse's "tomb of the mutilated" showcases two mutilated corpses in the middle of sex.) a lot of art is anti censorship, and frankly i completely agree with that message lmao.

[@buttercupkat]

@@the-postal-dude I'm also anti-censorship, but I believe forcing artists to be sterlie isn't the same as ensuring the wellbeing of their audience. It takes away a bit of the shock when there's a trigger warning, yes, but not the entirety and the message. They don't elaborate on why the creative used them and how exactly they'll be depicted. If the work's only worth comes from the fact you don't expect it rather than the heart of what it's saying, that's 2010's creepypasta "hyperrealistic eyes, blood everywhere, no substance" logic. I know the gory fanfiction Cupcakes from MLP stuck in everyone's head, but that's because the readers were children, easily scared and less likely to notice the flaws in a work. If all who read it were adults, they would've recognized its lack of quality and never would've had it stay in the public consciousness. It's okay for a work's shockingness to _contribute_ to the message, but again, it doesn't dilute anything severely, and I'd say it's worth it to keep the audience, who's allowed the artist to succeed, safe. I hope you can understand my perspective better, even if you don't agree!

[@the-postal-dude]

@@buttercupkat did you just compare death metal to creepypasta?... this is kind of off topic, but that's kind of offensive imo. death metal originated in the 80s; an era full of pearl clutching christians. some kids gravitated towards it out of rebellion. but as a deathcore vocalist myself, comparing the music (frequently full of fast paced drums, complex riffs, which all take talent) to creepypasta is just... you wouldn't do it if you listened to the music. anyone can sing, but mastering the techniques for harsh vocals is way more difficult than you think. either way IA is partially a joke band, with the premise of "how far can we take things". tangent aside, censorship can limit artists reach a lot. i think it's a bit ridiculous to punish(? wording seems a bit harsh, but i'm unsure of how to articulate) artists for drawing like... healed self harm scars. i understand for heavier content. but there's a fair few subcultures that deal with most heavy themes; like menhera, or creepy cute art technically. it's just kind of become soiled by dollieguts clones who think self harming is "aesthetic", but i digress. generally, if you don't like it, the algorithm most likely won't show you it. if you see something you don't like? just keep scrolling or block the artist. i've dealt with self harm and abuse in my life, but i don't think any artist is required to put trigger warnings for mild stuff. and usually, vent art is just like... a character with scars, crying. from what ive seen at least.

[@buttercupkat]

@@the-postal-dude Sorry if I came off that way! I meant to compare the mindset of shock being the only essential factor in whether a piece of art is good. (and sorry if I'm misunderstanding that perspective too) Those works ring hollow nowadays because there's nothing beyond it people can latch onto besides nostalgia when the shock's worn off. I'm sure death metal has _plenty_ of merits besides the initial shock of dark subject matter, which is why I don't think it ruins the work if there are trigger warnings in place. Censorship _does_ limit artists and I don't mean that they should be forced to stick with sanitized topics, but ensure nobody gets triggered with a quick few words on what the work entails. When you don't get upset by it, I understand how it can be hard to see the importance of them, but lots of people get unpleasant to traumatic memories when reminded of what they've gone through and algorithms are less than perfect. Say there's a Steven Universe fan scrolling through a fanart hashtag of the protagonist, and discover gore with him. I find it hard to fault the person if there's no safe seach feature on the platform they're using to scroll and there were no trigger warnings. It is their responsibility to block the user/leave the page, but it'd be nice to know they should stay away with a warning rather than an upsetting experience, y'know? I think at this point if we haven't convinced each other we never will, so it'd be best to leave it here, but thanks for reading and responding to all of my replies! Hope you have a good day! (genuine!)