Is It WRONG to Redesign Characters? (Why People Are Mad) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY

[@DuchessCelestia]

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[@riskydash11]

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[@ArteiceTB]

I don’t think redesigns are inherently bad, especially when most artists state that they’re meant for fun. Fans of the characters should take a moment to consider if the redesign was made in bad faith instead of assuming and jumping off artists off the bat.

[@Ja7nD03]

Lavendertowne especially makes me sad. She's always very respectful in her videos, saying multiple times how these are for fun. But the Hellaverse fandom is way too toxic for that ig. It was so sad seeing her, and other creators getting hate, and harassed for just a fun project they decided to do. It's all super sad :

[@NyehNyeh12]

@@Ja7nD03the hate she got was wrong, but redesigning characters and criticizing them while not actually knowing anything about why their designs are as such is quite disrespectful, even if done for fun. I think it stops being harmless when you criticize the character design falsely.

[@Ja7nD03]

@@NyehNyeh12 I was referring to her new video of redesigning. The critique was okay for the first video, harassment wasn’t ofc but critique yes.

[@epichoagie5999]

​@Ja7nD03 the hate is probably because she gives real "fixing it" vibes. That's why I stopped following her anyway.

[@Ja7nD03]

@@epichoagie5999 How so?

[@extinctionanimation]

While I think redesigns are fine, I do find it a little pretentious when people say they "fixed" a design.

[@thatfishbone]

Especially when they aren't even fans of the source material. Go engage with things you enjoy. My fandom is not your business niche.

[@Dmn....]

-Unless its Concord, lol

[@knotforsail]

If it's about Concord though.. I'd say otherwise.

[@vibrantgleam]

Same here. What if the original artist is personally attached to the character?

[@backgroundartist1879]

Yeah i think it depends. Sometimes the design is just genuinely bad, or is good but out of place. A perfect example of this is miraculous ladybug. Ladybugs actual design is pretty cute, but out of place bc of the characters personality. Chat noir , volpina and stormy weather have great designs. Characters like bubbler, carapace and reflector? Some of the worst ive seen. Overall it depends on the context and the attitude of the artist redesigning the character. But thats just my opinion

[@OneOfThemSprinkles]

Redesigns are so common in art in general and in fandom especially, it's wild to see such strong reactions to it lately. I wonder If I avoided the worst of it for so long because my fandoms were chill about it or because it has gotten worse lately.

[@Shadowyartsdirty3]

The backlash occured because some of the people who were doing redesigns hadn't watched the shows before making the redesigns, to the point were one person was making a redesign based of fanart instead of footage from the actual show. They didn't even credit the person who's fanart they referenced then proceded to make a redesign that didn't allign with the elements of the story that the character was based on. This led to a huge junk of the community showing backlash for redesigns. Hope that explains why redesigns now get a lot of hate by default.

[@OneOfThemSprinkles]

@@Shadowyartsdirty3 I guess i can see how that would escalate.

[@AuroraPaintBrush4444]

The gross ones are "redesigns" of changing Cannon black characters into "generic Barbie/Ken" white people. I can't remember who, but an artist had their OC, that was Cannon black, into generic white.

[@OneOfThemSprinkles]

@@AuroraPaintBrush4444 Oh wow, that is awful

[@catcactus1234]

@@Shadowyartsdirty3You’re referring to a single incident where LavenderTowne made a redesign video for Hazbin Hotel before watching it. I definitely agree she should’ve watched the whole season before making the video, but it’s still a massive overreaction to become angry and hateful over what was essentially naive ignorance. She didn’t credit the fan art she was referring to because the article she took it from never listed credit, and as far as she was aware, it was from the show itself. You can criticize her for rushing videos and not taking time to research things properly, but I think it’s far fetched to say everyone hates redesigns because of that single incident specifically. Maybe you’re talking about something else, but I’ve watched a ton of these redesign videos and I don’t know of anyone else who did what you mentioned aside from LavenderTowne.

[@wolfindragonsclothing]

my opinion.. its okay to redsign.. i think it ccan be flattering. what isnt flattering is saying your redesigning it because you think its trash. especially animated characters who cant have too much detail becaue you have to draw it it over and over again. or because its not in an art style you like... it doesn't make it bad it just means you don't like it. That's like me taking one piece characters and redsigning them to look like bleach characters and calling it better. its uncalled for.

[@kittycandy_art]

100 percent agree. I love redesigns, I even do them myself, I think its a great way for a community to come together and show their creativity. My problem is when the person doing the redesign has clear bad intentions. Like saying their design is better than the og or that the og is terrible and that's why they have to "fix it"

[@kiwikarp9509]

I get what you're saying...but people are allowed to dislike character designs. As long as they're respectful about it, there's nothing wrong with an artist saying a character design is bad.

[@ghoulchan7525]

Actually the draw character X in the style of another show is a fun drawing exercise. But yeah. It's all about intent.

[@realdragon]

It's fine to redesign especially is redesigned character is wearing adidas trousers, squating and drinking vodka

[@Xheart817]

Sounds like “some” hazbin redesigns especially on Twitter or on viziepop critical accounts were it’s almost like harassment lol

[@pondersprocket2274]

I am of the mindset that character redesigns make the most sense when you are approaching the character from a totally different perspective, whether that be through things like personality or style swaps or imagining what they would look like in specific AUs or other, preexisting properties. Granted, this is a perspective coming from someone who has received multiple pieces of fanart that re-imagine my characters in a different setting. Sometimes my character is depicted as the artists imagine them were they actually a mermaid or a goddess or an otherworldly fighter. I don’t personally take offence to these because I understand that the intention behind them is artistic expression and love that they choose to have manifest in a unique way, both in terms of visual expression as well as their own personal interpretations and preferences. I approach characters from a very “this is the role they need to fill for the story” kind of way and I assume that plenty of other artists do the same but to varying degrees. So when an artist creates a character design for a story, I imagine that they have finely tuned this design to reflect very *specific* aspects about the character’s personality or backstory. Sure, their own personal tastes are going to shine through in those designs but that’s part of what makes everyone’s own stories unique. Whatever facets the design focuses on are those which the artist themselves have chosen to be the most important to understanding this character and their role in the story. A character who’s not terribly well put together may sport a haphazard, asymmetrical design with contrasting or uncoordinated colours, whereas a very serious, stoic character with a tragic backstory may dress in very prim and proper neutral shades but with a notable crack in their glasses that they’ve never bothered to have fixed. Doing a flat redesign of a character as they exist in their original story is basically saying that you know better how to convey this character than the person who created them. Given that so many peoples’ interpretations of a character can be *vastly* different than what was intended, this seems a little ridiculous in some regards and *very* presumptuous in others. I’m not going to redesign Gravity Falls characters and claim that I know better how to express them than the show creators. But, *for example,* if I were to reimagine an older property like Street Sharks in the modern day, I might redesign the characters and update their designs to fit more modern aesthetics. Similar to how the TMNT change through different iterations of the property over multiple generations. Maybe I take characters like Panty and Stocking and imagine what they would look like if their personalities were switched. You could take characters from a fantasy setting and redesign them how you imagine they would look in a modern, urban setting, or vice versa. If you think a property’s character designs are inappropriate then a redesign into something more age appropriate or socially/legally acceptable may also work, though I think that may hit some grey areas because what if the inappropriate nature of them *was* the point? Honestly, I would love to see more “character redesign” videos that explore what the characters would look like in different properties or AUs. I find them to be the most engaging and interesting form of the genre. I see them every once in a while but it feels like I’m mostly recommended the lesser of the two. Nice, thought provoking video~ I’m glad to see this topic discussed so in depth and with such nuance~ It sometimes feels as though artists can be so quick to jump on one opinion or another based on subjective opinion or community pressure, without really thinking about the details as to why that opinion exists or the facets behind it. My personal opinion of redesign videos have always been a little strained and this video goes over so many of those lurking concerns. It’s nice to think that newer artists may be blossoming into the community watching content like this that really gets them to think about their stance on big community talking points~

[@pondersprocket2274]

Cthulhu below, the *size* of that comment, I am SO SORRY.

[@kawaiicake8038]

Holy shit it’s you

[@chyarnoe]

It's definitely the language used when making redesigns. Words like "fixing" and "made better" are a quick way to make people turn sour on you. Redesigns in general are really fun to do and see, imo.

[@Marygoore-]

Most of Hazbin Hotel's redesigns s for some reason always came from a place of hate towards the creator because they considered her problematic.The most healthy thing to do is ignore her work and create your own work based on catholic mythos or supported other projects with the same themes .

[@amethystimagination3332]

I think it all comes down to attitude, if you’re coming from a place of positivity like a “what if _ was ____” scenario or something. But when you’re coming from a place of trying to feign superiority like “this person’s designs are complete shit and I’m gonna fix them because my personal taste is the objectively correct good version”, that’s when people start having problems. Nobody likes a stuck up jerk who thinks they’re better than everyone else, but unfortunately it’s an attitude that’s become more common in the art sphere lately.

[@Solar_Symphony]

I think it's fascinating that there's been a big trend of drawing Miku Hatsune as if she was from your own hometown or country lately, and I've not noticed anyone shouting how "race bending is bad!!!" about it. Which has been refreshing! I remember watching all the hate that artists like Thumin would get for drawing their favorite characters black, whether as art cosplay or just a hypothetical of "what if this popular character was black?" and using that as character design practice. It's usually just for fun, yet people get so heated! It's been nice seeing people just have fun with redesigns for a bit, even if it's just for a "trend".

[@ftg-n8n]

yeah esp miku u can do anything w her since shes literally just a voice w an avatar so yk

[@RKNancy]

Hatsune Miku was a fun trend. That trash show Velma was malicious with their reinterpretation of the OG Scooby-Doo cartoon.

[@catcactus1234]

The hate that Thumin got for drawing popular characters with black skin was absolutely dumb and most definitely racist, but I think some of the backlash came from the fact that she said it was racist to draw a black character with white skin. Some people considered it hypocritical considering how she has no problem with the opposite scenario.

[@Anarchiya]

Honestly, the only time I don’t like people making popular characters black is when its clearly racist or people say “My headcanon is that [character] is black!” Like what??

[@veronica_editig3698]

While I am heavily against blackwashing, the whole Miku thing doesn’t really bother me that much, because she’s doesn’t really have a set design or personality.

[@epichoagie5999]

Redesigns are all well and good. But the second you say you're "fixing" a design, you're an asshole. That's the threshold.

[@tami7992]

Or if you say you're "improving" the original design, I think that's enough to fall under the fixing category as well. However that doesn't warrant any hate, noone deserves hate even if they behave assholey

[@epichoagie5999]

@tami7992 depends on the level of asshole behavior imho but that's a completely different topic lol Otherwise yeh, this.

[@arthurrus2329]

I agree at 95% unless it’s a decade old character that was put together in one week ( lol shaco basic jester with knives boom a new character katarina spandex girl knife boom ) or plain boring character like Concorde ( I say boring in the sense here they are hero character that you gona play as not overwatch background characters)

[@yourlocalvaltordefender]

one of the only times 'fixing' a design is considered a good thing is if the original design is sexualising a minor (or multiple)

[@Yaeesditz]

100% agree!

[@WizardsAndRain]

Redesigns are fine, my only problem with the Hazbin redesigns is that a lot of them felt like their intention was to "fix" the originals, rather than just putting a fun personal spin on the characters. With like, mlp redesigns, I never had any doubt that the original designs were respected or loved, like, it never felt like the intention was to "fix" it. I have seen hazbin resigns by people who clearly were just... playing around and having fun, and those designs didn't get the hate that these other designs got. I also think, though, that this might be fueled by the fact that Hazbin got a lot of negative press on KZbin, it was pretty difficult to find people who praised the show, and anyone who did often prefaced it with the fact they know the show is flawed which is, of course, true but it made it seem like you were supposed to be ashamed of liking the show, which probably made fans of the show more sensitive to criticisms or negative talk about it hypersensitivity to criticism in response to the prescription of hyper-negativity (because the show has pretty good reviews and seems rather loved, even if the way people on youtube talked about it wouldn't have given you that impression) is a pretty common problem in fandom spaces but, I mean, in my opinion this situation has a lot of nuisance, and a lot of that is in the context around the whole thing. The Original lavender town video (and I adore lavender town, to be clear, and I never commented nor do I endourse the hate she got) but her original video was bad. It set out to critique designs for a show she hadnt finished watching, and it ignored a lot of the design conventions of said show. Which would be fine if criticism wasnt her goal, but the fact that was her goal meant that it came off like she didnt think that it was worth it to understand the reasons behind the choices made for the character designs, like she thought those designs were so bad that she could scrap everything about them which just feels incredibly disrespectful and dismissive, and I was super disappointed and a lot of my critique of those types of redesign videos, again, the ones made to improve on the original designs, comes from people who dismiss the originals and dont acknowledge why certain design desicions were made the implication being that the artists behind the original designs do not deserve to be acknowledged as intelligent artists making decisions for like reasons. and I think thats super gross for artists to do to each other But overall its I dont know, thats just what I think, obviously people can disagree and I also disagree with the notion all redesigns are all bad and pretentious Normally redesigns are fine, you just gatta do the bare necessity of like... Being... Respectful?

[@extinctionanimation]

Yeah, HH and HB definitely have one of the strongest hatedoms as of recently, and I think it's kind of created a vicous cycle. Any actual criticism is shrugged off by parts of the fandom who think it's just blind hate, which intern creates more exagartive detractors of the show, creating a cycle. Both sides need to chill tbh. 100% agree with what you said.

[@PyraThePooch]

Just popping in to say: AMAZING COMMENT THANK YOU. This really puts into words my own personal discomfort with the sorts of “fix-it” redesigns that feel especially prevalent with Hazbin Hotel (and, occasionally, Helluva Boss). I don’t even mind critique, but it always just came across as overly negative for the sake of being overly negative, if you know what I mean. All this to say, thank you 🙏

[@StonedHunter]

Honestly you said it all perfectly. It was a bad combination of things and while she didn't deserve full hate, I think she did deserve to be called out for a very problematic video.

[@vibrantgleam]

omg this too. I have alot of opinons but this comment explains one of mine. For a really hated fandom, I usually don't engage in that hate pubically. I don't like it at all. If I really hate a show or a character design, I don't spew about it in the public. It just feels unnessecary. I choose to keep those emotions by "journaling" them somewhere. (I talk to myself alot)

[@amethystimagination3332]

I will say it does stick in my craw when people redesign characters from media they haven’t watched. Like, at least try to understand the character and why they look that way before decide you can do better than an industry professional. Even if the design itself isn’t bad I’m still not gonna like because it’s not the character I’m familiar with, it’s your OC that happens to share a name

[@skythedragon7897]

Until this video, I had no idea that this was a controversy. I love watching people redesign characters for AUs or Neytrix's character redesign series for entertainment and inspiration

[@liammccartney6754]

Yo, neytrix mention. I see you are a person of quality.

[@thatfishbone]

My issue is when people are clearly just doing "redesigns" of something with a large fandom purely for the clout. No shit you're going to get backlash if you try to cynically profit off of fandoms for things you clearly don't even like. Do people take things too far? Yeah but I think the anger was warranted even if a lot of the actions weren't. Fandom is not a business niche. It's not for people to make a quick buck off of and I'm really REALLY sick of people going "oh I'll make fanart for (popular thing) and get some quick money and attention" while having NO knowledge or love of the source material. That isn't what fandom is FOR and it's really annoying when it keeps happening. Is it really THAT hard to just make art/videos about topics you actually enjoy? Christ.

[@barrysteakfriessimp_real]

throwing in my two cents: i love putting my own spin and flair on characters from my favourite media!! i love giving MLP characters slight redesigns because they're fun to draw and it's fun to imagine what they might look like with certain colours and details that likely wouldn't have made it into the final show or incorporate stuff i just think would look nice on them. for example, i like to draw Twilight Sparkle with more star-like patterns because i love the scrapped concept from the MLP pitch bible of unicorns using star and astrology magic (and because Twilight is a huge astrology nerd). i like giving my favourite characters certain features that look appealing to me (like differing hairstyles, more colours, different body types etc) whenever i draw them. these redesigns are made for fun and putting ideas i think would be cool for them into realisation. i do also agree with redesigns as a critique when done in good faith. using MLP as an example again, there is a character from MLP G5 whose design i really don't like, which is Opaline. i personally find her colours to be very garish and hard to look at, and certain design elements (such as the slight white patch of fur she has around her mouth area) to be off putting and very unappealing. not to be rude, but i think her design is a mess. i think it would be okay for me to redesign her in a way that i would personally enjoy with improvements i would make, but to say that the designers are bad at their jobs and to insinuate my design is objectively superior would be incredibly disrespectful and just mean. it's ok to not like a design and think you would enjoy it more if it had certain elements that are different from the original, but to say you're "fixing" the design just comes off as trying to say you're better than the original designer. that's just dickhead behaviour. on the topic of redesigning an OC or a personal character, i tend to keep it as close to the original as possible while adding a little bit of my own original flair, usually a few extra details or colour differences. redesigning a personal character is more of a case-by-case thing as some artists don't like it when people redesign their characters, which is perfectly fine. i remember hearing about people drawing someone's fat oc thin and trying to excuse it with "it's just my style" or "i don't like the original design so i changed it" and i think that's a really rude thing to do, especially with a character who has a very stigmatised body type that already gets erased enough. if an artist is okay with their character being redesigned, that's cool! if they're not, that's also cool! i know i wouldn't like to have any designs or characters i make to be disrespected that way. i think it's good to respect an artist's wishes. it's polite and considerate.

[@drakobloodwing540]

You speak true facts like I'm not even good at Art I really stopped after I was being going home school when I was younger but I'm getting back into trying to do it and stuff right characters and stuff right and thanks to one of my my significant other she she asked me to show her examples of a certain character I have that I use as my Persona and I did she did the most loving thing imaginable and she commissioned someone to do a version of modern-day version of it and I and I love it it's my profile picture help the face is the profile picture of that character. Because like sure there's some fitbits I forgot to say but that's okay because I never said them and I love ours or what they kept true to a lot of things. And I can never be more happy recently she got part of both our Sonos together the only thing I said is to tell her friend I'm sorry not because it was bad but because because she told me they enjoyed doing drawing my character which you know is basically a giant like like lamia or a Naga you know humanoid or human top half and snake blow the waste kind of thing. But I saw the Pat I zoomed in on my you know the State Farm my character and I saw there was like they doing details doing they they could have just done the golden scale on stomach and made me purple and I would be happy but they went out their way to do the detail of adding like sort of like patterns you see in some light of certain snakes and stuff. And I'm like oh I feel bad because they they like I know they enjoy doing it but that made me feel bad because you did that extra thing that's some snakes have. Was like for example if I got my art commission and some guy said oh I don't like how my character has gold eyes purple hair is like dark skinned and gave me a character pale albino White red haired and like blue eyes I would have every right to be pissed oh I didn't like the snake Park so I got rid of it basically told me to my face that my design is s*** and the people in the art that people made for me for my character that kept true is s*** I'm going to f****** be pissed. And to the redesign of characters from fandoms like like My Little Pony I totally agree like I'm a sucker for when people like characters on My Little Pony different like body designs based officer and horses or like if I had to draw one if I could always give unicorns the lion like tail because of like you know how they they were describing metallic and stuff or even maybe as a little fun thing they might have like shark canines in their mouth because lions and you know horses will eat meat. Just to be like kind of funny. Like for example I would love if Shining Armor had like some more blue going into his white fur you know what I mean some horses yeah all horses have over there man and her bite their Coke could be a different completely off color then you have those moments were like the main colors or a bleeds into their main coat I think that would look good on Shining Armor like you know this Soldier and like golden armor and stuff his blue Mentor bleeds into his white fur kind of thing. Because again everyone has their preference what about that but to say you're trying to fix someone else's work it's just being a dick opinion like only a few times where that's acceptable and it has to be very very specific. Yeah I hope 500% agree with you

[@3lue0ne]

I personally see redesigns as other artists vision for other artists concepts and there's nothing bad about that. The only thing that bothers me is calling it fixing because it feels like the person is trying to fix it like the original design is "broken". I overall like when people are comparing redesigns to the ogs and saying what they like about both of these

[@El_Famos]

i love your chanel so much, when i hyperfocus on drawing and dont want music, i listen to you cause you give a good objective point of view on the situation and your videos are long enough to last a few hours of drawing. also, you're a really good artist, visually and and morally.

[@Musicalheart430]

I do the same thing!

[@sarabloom99]

Honestly I tend to see redesigns of characters in a negative light since the ones I have seen were usually made by people who were claiming to be "fixing" the design so I’ve been avoiding all redesign videos no matter what. But honestly this video is making me reconsider that in the way of giving these videos a chance instead of just scrolling past. It’s really nice to see someone trying to be as objective as possible on matters like this and even mentioning that some topics are always in some ways gonna be subjective Great analysis on this topic honestly! I’ve seen a few of your vids before and they’re all really lovely! Keep up the good work! I’m definitely gonna subscribe so I can watch more of these!

[@Æuvelity]

10:30 whenever I redesign, it’s not even really a redesign? It’s just me adding a few embellishments to the character, like accessories I think they’d wear. It’s not like I’m completely changing the character, I’m just adding some extra details that fit with the character. If anything, it would be more accurate to say I’m just drawing them in my style because I like to add little embellishments to literally every character, even my own OCs.

[@herowither12354]

The most common reason people hate redesigns is because they call it "fixing", or at least talk about the process as if it was fixing it. (Like, 90% of Momo Yaoyorozu redesigns, even if they don't call it fixing her, definately intend to "fix" her) Another controvery comes from race, gender, and sexuality swaps, as well as giving a character a drastically different body type, or erasing an important part of their design. And finally, there's the cultural designs. Like, I saw a video where a group of artists redesigned Pokemon, and what they actually meant was removing every interesting feature from Pokemon because its "not accurate" (they couldn't understand that the Pokemon they were redesigning weren't based on European folklore, but instead, a variety of myths and legends from throughout the world)

[@NoEyes]

What’s the Pokémon video, I would like to know how they did that

[@herowither12354]

@@NoEyes Some of Subjectively's "fixing the worst Pokemon" videos, like the Gen 5 video (where they ALSO complain about Simipour being too humanoid.. and then make it MORE humanoid)

[@Wouble_U]

to be completely honest, I think fixing momo is justified.. as she is LIKE 15 OR 16 YEARS OLD.

[@Amanecer458]

Me when i see redesign of Celestia and whine of her doesn't have sun colours. The sun Is Literally white

[@The.Viewer]

Is the sun not yellow/orange since its burning??? ​@@Amanecer458

[@galaxystardust035]

I watch a lot of artists here on YT because of their redesign videos and I think that if the redesigns are in good faith/for fun or are used to give constructive, useful critique to the original creator of the character I think it is completely fine. I will admit that throughout this entire video I did keep thinking back to MIraculous Ladybug character redesigns and was hoping that you would have a section within this video about characters created by people who are, to the majority of people online, "Bad actors" such as the writer, senior animator and director of miraculous ladybug Thomas Astruc. I personally think the only good hero design from that series is Queen Bee (who is a spoiled rich civilian girl named Chloe) and though I see the majority of designers redesign and rewrite the characters with more... subjectively, but one could argue that it is objectively, bad writing and designs like the main characters Adrien and Marinette. I would like to argue for writers/directors like Thomas Astruc who have countlessly taken respectful or opinionated redesigns/critiques terribly and responded very poorly, that the redesigns that come in bad faith could also be valid. I don't know if you addressed this in the art fixing video because a lot of people do use the term "fixing" in their titles for miraculous redesigns. On a similar note, it would have been interesting to see the opinions of other people within this video about their own opinions on Redesigns and why they think it is okay/why they do it and not just your own opinion as to why the people being negative towards it may be, in your opinion, unfair. I believe this because you mention how its a very subjective and opinion-based argument and so it would have been interesting for you to get other peoples opinions and share them in the video, wether it be the twitter following or your yt creator friends ect.

[@MathematicalVoid]

I keep looking for fanmade redesigns of characters from things I like, and most of the ones I’ve seen didn’t work nearly as well as the original designs (I know Sonic is a superhero, but he doesn’t need to be jacked.) or are just “fixing” characters, usually in ways that also miss the point.

[@Umbramus]

I like redesigns, I love seeing other people's spins on existing characters! But the problem a lot of people in the Hellaverse fandom, myself included, have is when people redesign the characters to "fix" them, to prove that they're infinitely better character designers than Vivziepop. They tend to completely miss or flat out ignore the design intent and inspirations to tell us that their ideas are what the characters "should" look like, and it's extremely pretentious and off-putting. Obviously not all Hellaverse redesigners are like that, but after seeing so many people do it out if spite and no desire to understand the source material, I don't blame the fandom for getting a bit defensive and wary, as unhealthy as having that mindset is 24/7. Artists like LavenderTowne shouldn't be attacked, but I think criticism is warranted against this honestly arrogant attitude, because as artists, I think we should know better than to put down people's work to prop up our own, especially if their work isn't doing anything wrong aside from not being your personal taste.

[@user-vn5zr2pe4f]

Thank you so much for actually taking the time to consider this in a nuanced and respectful way. I agree with your points, so I don't really have anything to add, but I just wanted to say I'm happy to hear a voice of reason above all the bizarre aggressiveness on both sides. Another great video!

[@FacingVicissitudes]

I think "redesign" should be buried as a term for this and should use "reimagined" because that completely recontextualizes a lot of things. "Redesign" comes off arrogant to some or comes off that something's "wrong" with the original. But "reimagined" only has one meaning no matter how you use it (generally). Reimagining Disney Princesses vs Redesigning Disney Princesses. Reimagining Hatsune Miku vs Redesigning Hatsune Miku.

[@firerose4495]

😮You're right, I always thought "Redesign" and "Reimagine" were the same, but when you say "Redesign" sounds arrogantly rude and "Reimagine" sounds this my opinion no matter how we use it, it actually makes a lot of sense. If I ever do my version of movies or TV series, I will use "Reimagine" instead of "Redesign". Thank you.🙂‍↕️

[@FacingVicissitudes]

@@firerose4495 Yes! It also feels “open” and “welcome” like you are opening a sort of community where people are encouraged to do their reimagining too, instead of “redesign” where it feels a little more restricted, like if you don’t agree, you’re wrong.

[@ShadowEclipex]

Redesigns for established characters from IPs can be fun based on the tone of the artist. If the artist is more playful or doing it for fun as an experiment/exercise it is fine. The issue is when they come into it with a the "I can do it better" mindset or try to slide in the more intrusive ideals or beliefs into it.

[@mlgodzilla4206]

As someone who is in the Jurassic World Alive community, redesigns are absolutely a fandom necessity when the official is downright awful

[@j.f3448]

Redesigns i think are a very useful tool for an artist. Take a concept from one of your favorite characters. How different can the design be while retaining a large number of qualites. Its a huge help in developing your own ability to create unique characters by not assuming one way is the only interesting way a concept can be designed

[@couchchester]

i just love how nuanced your videos are! it sorta helps people exercise their own opinion instead of following a mob

[@TreeBlossom-bu3jh]

I do redesign videos! Funnily enough, I don't know how many of them can be considered a regular redesign because I always put a big spin on it and never try to fix or change the original media but add to the fanfare

[@NeemSo]

Personally? I see nothing wrong with redesigning a character *as long as it's not made with the intentions of mocking the original* Redesigns for all i know are supposed to be fun stuff you do when you want to put your spin on an existing character and see how you'd do it in your own way, whether you want to make them historically/culturally accurate or just want to have fun Although i can't really speak for everyone whether they're okay with their ocs to be redesigned by others, so I'd say you should ask them if they're okay with it (i personally don't mind when people redesign my ocs, i do admit I'm not the best character designer, haha)

[@hikarishini]

I've been enjoying many artists on KZbin creating Concord character redesign videos and not a single hate on their videos. Didn't know there are some people who see redesigning characters as bad. Redesigning is also a good practice for beginners because they unknowingly learn how to properly use references to create new designs instead of just copying the reference or designing everything from scratch.

[@allyt6967]

To me redesigning a character is the same as remixing a song. It's just someone putting their spin on something, and people are valid to like it or dislike it.

[@sunnybun6969]

The way this got on my feed ween I'm in the middle of making my first redesign video. In my case I want to make redesign videos because I enjoy watching this kind of video, and I want to give my take/show how I would draw those characters, as well as use it as a opportunity to practice my character design and refil my creative juices cause my mind been so dry for a while now...

[@sorbetkidyoutube]

Sincere thank you for touching on this topic, I seriously am sick of media stans harassing & threatening those who do redesigns, even if it's the smallest change of a character. ❤❤❤

[@Candjstudios2024]

As someone who's old webcomic get's redesigned time and ime agian, idk, go right a-f*cking-head. My old designs were crap.

[@KoalaOwlPaws]

Personally I like the character redesigns, and it wouldbe very cool if the redesigns being used for a show's potential episode on trying different looks, etc.

[@novembers_GH0ST]

4:27 hypnosis mic jumpscare

[@adir6094]

Ramuda jumpscare ohno

[@SpiderandMosquito]

I'm commenting on this again and moving the conversation away from Lavender for a second. I think the reason why the subject is so controversial, mainly in the space of Vivziepop, is because there's such a sizable hatedom for Vivian Medrano and her work specifically. The designs of her characters are under just far worse scrutiny than most would consider truly reasonable, and so consequently, the fan redesigns almost always read as art fixing. The biggest offender of this that I know of would be lovesart23. Their art is great, their HH/HB redesigns are great, and when you watch their videos you can tell that they take character design very seriously and have a lot of know-how on what to do and not to do. But their videos are filled with such contempt for the source material, and their comments section are full of viviziepop haters that are frequently pinned. The problem is that they present their pictures as interpretive fanart partially done in the name of constructive critique, but they clearly are art fixing. No amount of agreement I might have for individual criticisms can change that for me.

[@CreativaArtly]

Redesigns are a blast! And I’m gonna keep drawing my MLP redesigns, thank you very much.

[@WhiteCresentKnight]

That happens all the time in the art world, a lot of professional artists have interpretations of popular character redesigns in their portfolios. Mostly, character redesign is only an asshole move if it’s an indie artist’s personal ocs. If it’s a commercial character from a commercial property, fair use still exists and is fair game.

[@vibrantgleam]

I'm kinda curious how indie games that got popular would go? bc it always depends. Like if you're redesigning DDLC, wouldn't that be personal characters?? Or would it not matter as much bc it's more mainstream and was made by a small team.. Idk.

[@Acorn905]

Do people really usually expect re desings to be better than the original? Maybe they do but i always tought the only expectation was for it to look different. I could see a redesign that i find unappealing but i wouldn't disslike it and it would still be a good redesign to me as long as it still fits the character a bit and has the artists creativity in it

[@Wolf_Blob]

Redesign are fine, as long as the commentary isn't just about how trash they are. Instead, comment your opinion, how you visualize it and the way you made it accurate and still appliable in the show. Redesigns are just the canon characters' designs, but in your way.

[@MizzFortuneKiller]

My personal opinion is that redesigns are fine, as long as they don't say they are 'fixing' art. Because fixing implies that something is wrong with the art to begin with. I also don't like it when they do race swaps or completely change the character's attitude. Those both ruin characters.

[@randomhuman_05]

Yeah, honestly the only reason why a lot of redesigns in most fandoms i’m in leave a bad taste in my mouth is *because* they’re in bad faith. If it’s for fun, more power to you, but the moment it becomes about “fixing” it pisses me off

[@mechamanw668]

I don't mind redesigns on their own. My issue is when people start acting like their design is better than the original because it's now catering to their own tastes. It's pretentious. When people just want to try their own spin on the character for fun, I think it's great

[@PolarityOfNeoSoulCity]

Are redesigns bad? Not at all, it can be interesting to see what some people would consider for making a character design. It's when they become entitled elitists, going "Hey ! I FIXED your character design to make it better" that a line needs to be drawn and I can't stand it. It's not wrong to have differing views on design, but being elitist about making a change and treating themselves like they saved the character from the trash is rude.

[@pandorapuppy]

I was honestly not a fan of almost all hazbin/helluva redesigns I saw, even though I don't think it's necessarily wrong to redesign characters from media (not individual creators) without asking first. I don't think anyone should have been harassed over it, but I genuinely cannot think of a single video I saw where the creator didn't speak as if their redesign was objectively better, despite most of them ignoring key elements to the character that had played a part in the original design. Many of these redesigns also weren't real redesigns, just the character in another outfit. Others were done by people who clearly hadn't liked, or even seen the show. I did try to assess all of the redesigns I saw fairly, and I kept in mind that my own dislike of the type of video might play a part in how I feel about the designs, but I think it goes both ways. It's hard to make a good redesign of a character if you clearly dislike them in the first place, and it really shows. I say this as a Lavendertowne fan, but I thought her video was also fairly disrespectful and poorly researched, and that approach wasn't even unique among all the redesign videos. Like I said, no one deserves to be harassed over it, but I think the entire situation was poorly handled by the participating creators. And honestly, even if I had come accross a well-thought out and politely made redesign, I'm just sick of them by now. Quit yucking other people's yum.

[@backupforthevideos3861]

I think it could be better to call it "Drawing It in My Style" rather than "Redesign". However, that won't get as many clicks

[@KaweeInuwu]

While I generally like redesigns and Lavender Town I absolutely hated both of her hazbin videos because they both felt like she was trying to fix the characters designs while ignoring parts of the characters traits to justify it. For example she just threw Husks whole design out the window because she just didn't like him as a cat with wings or a cat at all really She also ignored how Charlie doesn't want to use her princess status to forward her goal opting to make her more princess like anyway The other two were alright, not my taste but not particularly offensive or anything

[@KelpieRider]

Yeah I've enjoyed a lot of lavenders stuff, her art style is cute and I've loved several different designs she's done but her hazbin video, I don't think I've seen the second one but I watched the first as it came out, were weird. Like she felt she had to make the video because it was a really big trend but she really didn't have much to say. The fact that she didn't see more then a couple episodes beforehand certainly didn't help.

[@KaweeInuwu]

@@KelpieRider The second one had more of a "let me fix this crap" sorta feel, which was unlike her other videos. So I guess it's also like she was trying to get it out as soon as possible.

[@amethystimagination3332]

I really expected better from her, she did literally every thing that I don’t like about redesigns for characters

[@Feezee223]

For me it didn't feel like she was fixing it it felt more like she was designing them as if she had made the show and how she'd do the characters

[@StonedHunter]

I feel like there's a difference between "I like this thing/these characters and here is my take on them based on knowledge I have from my interaction with the media" vs "i don't like this series/artist/designs and i am going to fix them even though i don't have knowledge or context to do so accurately and I'm gonna talk as if i know better than the creators" One comes from a place of love and the other a place of ego. Then there's AU "redesigns" which I personally don't count as redesigns in the same vein as straight redesigns as it's more of like an art challenge prompt, "draw this chara but in this setting" usually involves keeping a lot of their more canon design aspects (vs redesigns that often reimagine or altogether remove aspects) as the goal is to keep them easily recognizable.

[@pupstuff4389]

It's surprising to see that this discourse has turned into such a big thing. I'm sure there are people out there who get too big for their britches and act like transformative work *is* an objective thing, but pretty much all of the redesigns I've seen don't claim to be anything other than subjective changes based on subjective critique. Idk, I think as long as you're upfront about what you're trying to do and give actual critique rather than hate, you're good. It always seemed to me like being transformative and incorporating oneself into the work are just the nature of fan art, redesign or not, so the concept of seeing those things as an issue is pretty foreign to me 😅

[@BEX5397]

To quote Rocky Horror Picture Show, "I didn't make him, for you!"

[@CrabyMan]

Enjoyed the video. Good as always, Celestia, and yeah, I pretty much have the stance as redsigns. Im still not 100% where Im at on redesigns, especially after the recent concord stuff, where all the characters seem to have a theme that was just widely viewed as missed.

[@RaeNeptune]

"Character redesign is contraversial." Okay... then why does Fan Art exist, when fan art is made in a fans own representation of the original character and is usually done in a way that redesigns something, such as hair, clothing, body shape, body proportions? Biggest example, some people draw their favorites with much bigger and larger assets than the original, some draw their favorites more cuter than the original, some draw it more "mature" from what maturity is in their perspective.

[@ArteiceTB]

That’s a really good point

[@MidnightCapricorn2696]

That is very true! Hell due to mild fluctuation in how one of the characters of one of my fandoms has his eyes depicted (most of the time it's green, but sometimes it's brown) I just decided "we make his eyes brown and green in this house"

[@Santoryu90]

Depends on how it’s presented. If it’s being done with the mindset of “fixing” it and shitting on the original artist, then I can make you look like an asshole.

[@OrpheasVIPC]

I believe redesigns are ok, it's not like they're saying "This character sucks so much with their actual design and mine is objectively the best one to ever exist"

[@amochikaay]

lavendertowne deserved none of the hate period.

[@extinctionanimation]

While she definitely didn't deserve hate, I do feel that criticism was warranted. She herself admitted that the video was rushed and that showed in the fact that she coloured someone's fan art thinking it was official. It was still def overblown and it really showed the uglier side of the fandom and I say that as someone who is a part of it

[@Acorn905]

​@extinctionanimation Agreed! Criticism is totally okay but hate is rude

[@screw_a_username7491]

@@extinctionanimation facts. Criticism ≠ Always Hate but what she got definitely wasn’t ‘just criticism’

[@tami7992]

Definitely, she did deserve criticism but def no hate

[@thatfishbone]

Maybe she shouldn't have baited the fandom. I love her but it was a cynical cash grab and maybe she and other people will think twice before trying to cash in on fandoms they aren't even a part of in the future. Fandom is not for clout chasing it's for love and community.

[@EnderBoy_11]

In my opinion, making your own interpretations of a character’s design is 100% okay as long as you don’t obnoxiously assert certain beliefs (talking about art “””fixers”””)

[@LillyanaDuff]

I've only ever redesigned "dead" OCs from my past, never really characters from anything I watch or play

[@crossanddream2]

To me, so long as your doing it with good intentions, trying to give someone constructive criticism by redesigning character and showing how it could be improved or just trying to help someone who they could improve there character and make it better than it already is. Or just doing it for fun, i see no problem with it. But if its with bad intentions, or just doing it because you don't like the characters and making them to what you would like. Or making them into completely different characters, or trying to "fix" characters. The. Yeah I see the problem and the criticism and calling them out is very much deserved. And overall, if whoever us being redesign, I feel it's most important if the creator has expressed they are comfortable or fine with. If the creator is uncomfortable or not okay with it then taht should be respected and left alone. It can easily be helpful for a creator or just not helpful at all and possibly harmful depending on the situation

[@glittercakes7720]

Redesigns are not bad it’s fun to see characters in other styles it’s when they say it’s fixing them that is a problem. Fixing sends a message that you know better than the original artist that made the art.

[@dominic_19077]

When your redesigns include editing someone's fanart without permission, it's absolutely NOT ok. And most redesigns are most definitely not improvements on original design, nor are they made in respect. The majority of redesign vids I've seen have always turned out to be shitting on the sourse material (usually the person going off on a range about how bad they think the original is), and indeed claiming their redesign is superior to the original.

[@franziskavonmegan5840]

I think redesigns have value because owe get to take a little peek at the creativity of the redesigner and how it affects the existing work. They may change aspects of the appearance based on what they personally prefer, on what they consider good character design, or maybe just based on how they personally would do it! It's very sweet when it's made out of love and not disrespect, I like to see the redesigns of characters I enjoy even if I don't enjoy the redesign more than the original, solely because I like to see how the redesigner draws and how they imagine it (I really love the redesign images where there's little explanation notes on the corners) I made a friend a few months ago because I really loved their art and approached them.We shared a few art pieces and on a random day they said "hey can I draw a redesign of your OC on the style of my OCs" and I was honestly very honored. I mean, OC creators are already honored when people draw their characters, but I really admired the way they draw and didn't see it as a critique since they literally said they would be drawing the OC the way they do it. And hell, they liked the OC enough to want to draw them! I saw the finished piece and it had many elements of what I created with modifications that suited my friend's artstyle and preferences, so it was very cool, I even considered adopting that design as a non-official image of what my OC would look like when older (since the way they draw made it look like my OC grew up) So yeah, for me redesigns are appreciated when they come from a place of respect!

[@sunnymoon27]

I think the reason why I personally get almost instantly defensive is just cuz of Twitter/X and the artists there actually pretentiously saying they "fixed a character" by straight up black/whitewashing them or giving them more weight and then saying that "this is supposed to be canon cuz of XYZ". It happened to a character I adored, and it made me first hate the whole "redesigning" or "fixing" part of the art community. But then I got over it cuz I ended up liking redesigning characters (and sometimes reimagining, although that comes with an AU)

[@Auburnfrost]

I use Gacha Life 2 because I can't draw. I made Redesigns because it's a good way to see my headcanons. For example, Tenya Iida. Iida in the manga has had many changing eye colors even though in the anime he has blue eyes. Thus, I lean into the Iida having heterochromia, either that or his eye color changes every other week. But there are takes might not like with the design, like how I in my redesign of him has longer more unruly hair as a reference to the beta design. I like this because of the reference and just the unruly hair sort of giving us the feeling he is little autistic gremlin.

[@clownstop]

I love Redesigning videos! Although i was/still a fan of Lovesart32, although its hard to sit through the hazbin/hellvua videos like her art/designs are so good but the way she speaks about the designs n stuff just rubs me the wrong way..

[@StarDustBunnies464]

Guess we’re on the same page

[@clownstop]

@StarDustBunnies464 Yeah it really reads like 'This very horrible, I can do way better' energy when I watch her videos

[@StarDustBunnies464]

@@clownstop This is exactly my problem with her videos it’s like it’s always been the same thing every time over and over again at first I was like: " It’s just her opinion, everyone has the right to have a different opinion." But then I just ended up growing tired of it, especially when I read her community post, it feels like her comment section is just filled with Vivziepop haters at point, and the main reason why I unsubscribe from her channel was when she did "Hotel Redemption," which we should all agree that this is just a rewrite of Hazbin Hotel and the thing I don’t even like about it is that she changed everyones design and names but Alastor is the only one who still keeps his name.

[@Goomzz]

Im currently working on sone genshin impact costume designs and I really worry if I post them anywhere I’ll get hate for it. They are just alternate versions of their primary outfits changed in ways I’d enjoy cosplaying them a little more this way.

[@Shade2800]

Huh. This was posted while I am in the middle of my own redesign project. Mostly just as an artistic and character design experiment, given I am still new to drawing.

[@angeldelmoroable]

I like "redesigns" because they're basically just fanart at the end of the day, and i do tend to not like "fixing" art, but i do have to say that at least when it comes to the Winx fandom.... well, let's just say that ultimately i'm not so mad at them😓 But the thing about it is that the creator of Winx has totally REVOLUTIONIZED what it originally started like, and i wish it was just a problem of a few, but it's the majority of the fandom having seen the horrible decisions and changes made where the plot has totally been lost...

[@Cashtron-d8b]

I mean . . . Transformers Characters get redesigned all the time, so I don't mind people redesigning characters from other stuff as long as it fits the character lol.

[@MapleheartIguess]

0:43 The fact i immediately recognised what this was referencing 💀

[@lunabunnii]

I personally enjoy seeing redesigns. I like seeing others twist on characters in their styles. Most of the ones I've watched were just for fun and respect to the IPs. I remember someone telling me redesign videos was a form of bullying and became confused from their statement. 🤔

[@demonninetaledfox]

The scale question to me I like to frame as an analogy. You can review restaurants on yelp as much as you please or even make a career reviewing restaurants and bakeries and more. But it is really fucking unhinged to go over to your friend's house for a casual dinner as a guest, make a yelp page for their home, and review it like it's a restaurant you paid money for. Both your friend and restaurants have shared food with you, but one has done so as a product and service you have paid for, the other has done it casually just for the joy of sharing food with you and trying something out. Treating it like a product to consume, nitpick, and critique abstractly and divorced from the person that made it is really weird when its on such a small scale and will only accomplish said person not wanting to share things with you anymore considering you are holding them to the same standards as a professional and tearing them down for it.

[@Sugarcoda]

It's not like these redesigns are cannon so idk why people would get all worked up on this

[@thebonderman8811]

Because some people can't accept that not everyone is a fan of the original design. There's nothing malicious abt redesigns unless you go about it with the intention of "fixing" art. Fixing art and providing a redesign are not the same but they get interchanged a ton

[@Luxxcia]

It's not too different than taking a random oc and say "here look I made it look better", big industry artists...or just big artists: are still artists. These characters have a copyright so it depends on the intent and redesign itself. (edit): Forgot to add, most redesign are made with no ill-intent. Such as AU designs, but I wouldn't call that a redesign.

[@thebonderman8811]

@Luxxcia it's really up to the intent yea. If you do it with the intent of "fixing", yea I can see that being problematic. But someone going "hey here's how I would have made these :)" isn't problematic, and has been done for years. So I have no clue why people are so up in arms abt redesigns all of a sudden

[@graveyardshift2100]

Some people just don't have good intentions when doing a redesign. I've seen it first hand on Twitter, nothing but insults and poor understanding of the original designs, while giving themselves high praise for basically making a whole new character. A good example from Hazbin is how they kept turning her into an actual moth even though it's clearly just supposed to be a minor design influence, at which point they just start insulting Vivziepop as a shallow attempt to get attention from her haters.

[@randomhuman_05]

Yeah, I adore fan redesigns- but i’ve seen so many bad faith Habzin ones that claim that the original designs are “bad”- when in reality they just aren’t the persons personal taste. It’s just insulting to the artists. I personally adore the character design, it’s what got me into it and it’s sister show in the first place. Malicious “redesigns” are the problem, not drawing a character in a different way. Redesigns should be out of love, not whatever a lot of people have turned them into- it’s all about intent.

[@belladonna__ssjo]

Redesigning is fine unless the person in question say “I’m fixing it”. Another personal opinion is if I can’t tell who you just redesigned, it’s a bad redesign. Some aspects should still exist otherwise it’s an OC with the same name.

[@Acorn905]

My rules for these would be: Get the artist's permission/be sure redesigns isnt something the artistfinds insultingor hurtful, don't make it obnoxiously stereotypical or racist, be nice about the og character and don't insult the og character or creator's art 👍

[@GojiraFan-in9oo]

what makes a shit redesign is when the artist tries to underplay the original by saying that they can do what they did better Just look at Ilulu from Dragon maid.

[@th_Wall_Boi]

I have seen redesigns of many of my favorite characters, but tbh, they all turn out looking great. As long as it's made with good intensions and not to say "I do it better than any one" its all okay

[@qualityconcepts5762]

Fans shouldn’t be too critical, others are allowed to have an opinion. My thing with it is how the artist approaches the topic. As a Lavendertowne fan I think that if she did not go into her video kind of “hating” (She wasnt that bad, she was critiquing but she did this with no idea really of what the show was about, she should have finished it first and learned the lore before she went on i think.) on vivs work and critiquing it, and then provided some of the worst redesigns I’ve ever seen her come up with. It just felt ill-intentioned. She should not have gotten all of the hate she did, and shouldn’t have had to profusely apologize over it. I think it can just be handled alot better in some cases. Like an artist is like “its not the way Id do it so its wrong and now imma make a video on it.” And that just seems…spiteful in a way. You can appreciate and critique without it coming off so negatively.

[@NicmationS_YT]

I felt so bad for LavanderTowne

[@luraymoondust]

Same.....

[@zack_feldman]

What happened to her?

[@L1_1XX]

@@zack_feldmanshe got a lot of unnecessary hate for her Hazbin hotel redesigns

[@zack_feldman]

@@L1_1XX how unfortunate. She’s such a kind soul.

[@L1_1XX]

@@zack_feldman fr

[@LattePunch]

It goes without saying even though now it seems needing to be said, absolutely nothing is wrong with redesigns. Its the people who use them as weird one sided "gotcha" moments with the creator of the source material that make it annoying and problematic. People have done redesigns for shows in the past they love regardless if they full love the OG look or like everyhing about whatever the series is minus the look. I don't mind the art style or look of any of the Hazbin or helluva boss series characters and love the creative ways people do their own spins on the character looks. Vivzie made a post months back when there was weird shipping discourse where she mentioned people shouldn't bully one another regardless what's canon and ship what they want for fun. I'm sure she feels the same about all the fan art even the ones that label themselves "anti-vivzie" in the tags. That's still says she made something that got somebody mentally invested enough that they sat down and spent their own free time to think about how a character of her creation could look with more or less of this and that to their appearance or plot to the work.

[@a_naotenhonome780]

In my opinion redesigns are perfectly fine, and can be a fun exercise for artists to improve their designing skills, whoever i do think its better to the artist show that they are doing for fun/train their skills, rather than fixing (although if the design has good reasons to be considered bad like having harmful stereotypes on it, in this case is ok to call your redesign a fixed version)

[@jraxreviewsxcosplayxmore6934]

People thinking they have “fixed or saved” designs they don’t like make me upset, and at this point because so many have done that, I don’t like almost any re-design

[@anxiousdemon]

I tend to see redesigns as a "draw this character in your style" type thing, as opposed to people "fixing" other peoples characters.

[@Redbuttertoast]

celestia, tell ther truth. did you divorce squarespace, or did she divorce you? why did you break up? will you ever get back together? spill the tea!

[@Acorn905]

But if she doesn't want to talk about it or if there's nothing to talk about then she doesn't have too :)

[@bsignsstudios]

I have mixed feelings on redesigns, but I let the artists be

[@Scyclo]

How I see it, if your redesigning out of passion and giving it your own spin, I think it's fine. If your "FIXING" designs though your doing it out of spite for the original artist because you don't like them.

[@DynamicFlux_2006]

32 minutes and 27 seconds was worth the yapping

[@33pandagamer]

I personally think that sharing your work with the general public (Like publishing it or posting it online) solicits criticism. Because by sharing it with the general public you are asking and hoping for likes, shares, and comments. You're allowing people to state their opinions on your work, which includes criticism. If a person doesn't want criticism then they should either not share their work with the general public, or they should turn off likes, shares, and comments. That being said, I do agree that it's ultimately up to the creator{s} whether or not they accept or make changes due to the criticism they are given.

[@ricky.t.1658]

The thing I have problem with is the term itself, if people said “drawing this in my style” or things like that then this problem wouldn’t exist. That’s bc the word redesign is used when when in art creation you make a newer version of ur design for it to fit better, be more coherent etc to the current state of the project. The term itself implies “improving” or “fixing” and I think terminology should be used correctly (my opinion)

[@JasmineAntelope241]

I'm only just now dipping my toes in character redesign myself and, so far, I'd say I'm doing it to do the subjects justice. They're side characters from a popular Shounen anime that I feel were failed by the author-with one of them in particular being infantilized in a disturbing way just to immediately get violated by the hyper-masculine villain of the show. The majority of female characters characters tend to be killed off or similarly brutalized for the sake of titilization in this same show, so I really wanted to tell the same story WITHOUT the disrespect while working it into the context of a greater fanfiction that treats them with as much love as the original series treats its male characters.

[@vanisketches]

I feel like the real issue comes from HOW ppl present the redesigns. No one bats an eye when artists or ppl come up with AU designs, or divergent designs from the source material. The real problem however, comes when ppl start acting as if their take should somehow replace the original, and decide to impose it on others who may not agree/like/have their own take on the matter. The problem with the HH/HB case is that those fandoms, have a notorious long running debacle with the shows' creator. With their "anti-vivziepop" approach... Even though they are clearly fans of HER work. This is just disrespectful through and through, no matter how "justifiable" they try to make it out to be. In my honest opinion, if they genuinely took so much issue with her, then they should instead just create their own stuff. Unfortunately, that doesn't Garner the same amount of attention or clout, so the hate bandwagon just keeps going. I say as SB who has never got into the series, BUT I see their shitty behavior all over the place. And it's tiresome to see them keep acting like that.

[@artistanthony1007]

Are you trying to say those of us who have issue with decisions Viv has made especially with writing and acted online including Twitter are all in the wrong and awful?

[@vanisketches]

@@artistanthony1007 yes tbh. Whether you like it or not, it's her show. Ppl got WAY too comfortable being assholes to production folks and show runners online. HH/HB are all adult oriented comedy shows (it's a much tamer series compared to South park/Family guy/etc), but ppl look at it or treat them as if it is anything but that. Idk maybe if you guys have such massive gripe with the creator, wouldn't it be better to just move onto greener pastures? You guys aren't helping anyone, BUT further promote and give attention to her things. Sounds counter productive to whatever goal you guys may have set out to originally do.

[@dimaginarylaw]

I like some of the redesigns Trugreen7 would make for Pokemon. Thing is he actively tries to keep the spirit of the original design and even if there is an intent to improve it, I don't remember him ever being straight up disrespectful to the designs, just voicing his criticisms I understand not liking any redesigns made with the intent of improvement rather than reinterpretation, but I think even with that there is level of tact you can approach it with

[@wobblewokgaming655]

To give my personal opinion; I think redesign are good, because different people have different ideas as to what a character could look like and sometimes redesigns can be better than the og. I also think AU's and crossovers are fine because you're just putting a specific set of characters into a different scenario. But I personally have a beef with rewrites. Mainly because it kinda feels like a person is just uprooting someone elses garden, planting their own seeds in said garden and calling it there's. Good example here would be Hotel Redemption made by Loves Art23. Like yeah, her art is amazing as is the story, but it just feels wrong for her to call it an AU when it's clearly rewriting everything to the point where the characters almost resemble nothing like their og counterparts, with the only thing connecting them being their designs. Am I gonna tell her to stop making this project, though? No, because eve though I don't like it, this is clearly something she's set on doing. And it'd insensitive as a fellow artist (whose nowhere near as good as her) to tell her to stop doing what she wants to do because I don't like it. I'm just using her as an example as to why I don't like rewrites. Please be respectful towards her, because she's a person with her own feelings and emotions (I feel like people have a tendency to forget that because they're on KZbin).

[@StarDustBunnies464]

I know, Hotel Redemption is the reason I unsubscribe and stopped watching her and the thing I don't like about it is that all of the character as their name change, but Alastor is the only one who just keep his old one.

[@Treepan0]

for me redesigns are fine as long as it's not meant for bullying, like a lot of ones for smaller creator's ocs are; personally however I keep redesigns strictly for aus, as I have no interest in redesigning outside of that context.

[@lowkeyarki7091]

like many things it depends on context, fanart is always welcomed but if some moron redesigns someone else's fanart cause it's "wrong" or worse to steal it, then got to artist hell

[@monotone2256]

Really just depends on which side you end on, no harm in redesigning a character if you still respect the originals, saying that yours is leagues better and it fixes it is where the line is crossed to me and hands will be thrown.

[@brotquel1592]

I don't think that redesigning per se is disrespectful, HOWEVER I think that insulting the work of an artist to promote your redesign is horribly disrespectful. This practice is sadly becoming more and more prominent, especially on controversial authors: I've lost count of the hatetrains that are started against Vivziepop that go from "I don't like this because it's not as I wanted" (dude, just stop watching then) to "this design SUCKS, but look at how superior MY version is!" Hot take: if the only way you have to promote your art is by diminishing someone else's art... your art was garbage to begin with.

[@triggerfairy4070]

When the redesign is tagged as Fixing. I have issue with.

[@the.axolotlgirl]

As long as they don’t claim they are better than the original it’s okay Also as long as they keep the canon in mind for the redesign