Don't Run to the Red Sea [PVP TIPS] | Sea of Thieves

I've been PvPing since Alpha and decided to make a guide on why you shouldn't run to the red sea!
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[@Aristides_96]

The first time I passed the limited I didnt realized it was because of the map border, thought that some crazy event was about to happen and tried with all my forces to dont sink my boat. One of the most traumatic experiencies on game so far

[@jasonroberts8408]

Feign red sea strat has always worked for me because I always lag out in pvp. Head for the red sea where there's a corner and turn at the last second and just barely go through that corner of the red sea. They've always turned around and I escaped to sell my loot, especially larger ships. Hope this helps

[@JesusKid1000]

I didn't think about the corner strat. I'll have to try that.

[@PiotrekNineT]

This was one of the first things I figured out, most people will let go when they think that your going into the red sea which gives you an opportunity to escape. After all I usually sell my loot and come back to fight them anyway without losing anything

[@thatdude1435]

@@Jodykang he said he lags out in a fight. Thats not really something that you can just counter. Unless you own the server for some reason lol

[@vorpalweapon4814]

@@Jodykang Not really, the difference is giving up and pretending to give up.

[@Jarnagua]

What you are saying reminds me of the Nash Equilibrium in Game Theory. Even tho cooperation is possible in SoT, it leads to chaos and uncertainty, so players opt instead to "fuck you buddy" and embrace the certainty of the lose-lose situation rather than an outcome where the only loser is themself.

[@1TW1-m5i]

This is exactly why I do it. If the fight was more even I'll give it a go, but sometimes this is the most satisfying way. Especially if it's a level 5 reaper who will track you no matter what.

[@Rizal96able]

@@1TW1-m5i The servers I play in, players either give Reaper Bones a wide berth by changing servers or participate in a free-for-all with the Reapers as top-priority target. Atleast that's what I personally experienced, it was pure chaos.

[@Minky12345]

If I’m being attack my by hella cancerous people, I’ll Red Sea them just so they get even more salty, other than that I agree with the vid

[@karinnecalistro]

It is...ACCEPTABLE

[@HororKodStudio]

Cancerous and Salty people motivates me to sink them even more. They're going to be salty if you red sea, of course, but they'll have you to blame. Sink them, and they'll only have themselves to blame, and that hurts their ego so much more. Try finding another ship if you really think you don't stand a chance on your own, offer them your loot in exchange for help to sink some very cancerous pirates chasing you, it might work, or it might make it a 3-way free-for-all, but that'll still works to your advantage since you'll be able to use them as distraction if you manage to keep the cancerous crew between them and you.

[@karinnecalistro]

@@HororKodStudio now we just need a “...” and -master oogway and this comment is golden.

[@OffPHwnr]

You're only calling them cancerous because you don't want them to attack you lol. What you consider cancerous definitely isn't

[@valleyforgeproductions]

@@OffPHwnr no, some people are name-calling, toxic jerks. There’s those who are having fun being a pirate, then there’s those who just fight to ruin someone’s day

[@reckle720]

Some players would rather watch their loot sink than someone else take their hard work

[@FBracht]

The point is these players are the ones who are going to take the longest to improve.

[@fourcatz918]

@@FBracht They will never try to improve lmao they just want to sit in an ally server and grind pve

[@noahblevins9569]

@@FBracht Explain your logic. What does shooting a player ship offer that shooting a skelly ship doesnt? Players move faster than skellies, so for ground combat I cant argue that shooting players is the best way to practice shooting players. Some people want to just chill out and enjoy some PVE. Not everyone wants to be a sweat lord all the time. If that is really the main interest a person has, there are far more competitive games out there.

[@teddems]

@@noahblevins9569 Shooting a player ship offers that I am shooting a player ship.. That's always more interesting and challenging than a boring skelly ship. The fact that you might prefer PVE doesn't take away the fact that some players enjoy sinking players. Even if I know there's nothing to gain loot wise, I just want to sink them for the funsies. Still we are all humans and even good players make mistakes, try to learn from your mistakes and spot the mistakes others make and this way you'll get better eventually. Nobody was born a pvp god in 1 session.

[@noahblevins9569]

@@teddems Absolutely not. Player ships are often docked, or only partially crewed. That is a much less engaging fight than AI. So no, that is certainly not always more interesting. If you derive fun from that, I actually feel a little bad for you. You are missing the enjoyment a game that is actually competitive may bring. I fully understand that everyone that logs in accepts the fact that they may (and likely will) have to participate in PVP. I am not against that. My point was that fighting players does NOT always make people better at the game faster than PVE does, as the person I replied to clearly stated. Getting crapped on and spawn camped teaches less skill than actually getting to live and fight would. You dont get to learn a lot on the ferry, and being double gunned almost immediately when respawned provides little education. The fact that spawn camping is the most efficient method of sinking a ship is a fundamental flaw in SoT that needs more attention.

[@ThatOneBuilderGuy]

only time i ran to the red sea was by complete accident when me and my crew were fighting a meg

[@D.F.P.]

Same, shit was so scary

[@ricardo1405]

Honestly just anchor when fighting megs

[@Boryang.]

@@ricardo1405 id rather pull up sails but when you get bit you get launched lmao

[@jellyjoker9397]

I accidentally did it once when me and my crew were hunting for kraken. My crew were fairly new to the game. I tried to turn the ship around but then they locked me in the brig cuz they thought we were about to find the kraken. I played sad music as we sunk.

[@battlepope6256]

Replace "only time" with "many times" and thats me

[@dawidscheffler7152]

Been told by Reapers that "It is not your loot until you hand it in" this holds true for the Reaper too by running it into the Red. Willing to fight but, if you are outclassed by some predatory vulture; bleed them dry on ammo and then sink in the Red

[@GearyDigit]

Why not just run, board their vessel, drop their anchor, and sell off bits and pieces of your loot at outposts until you've sold everything?

[@dawidscheffler7152]

@@GearyDigit if you're already on the edge of the map running is no longer an option; you've been out maneuvered by a bigger predator. Taking on a 3 brig or 4 galleon on a solo sloop is not for the feint of heart either. I have personally done the "sail by drop and sell" maneuvers you speak of but, it took work to get confident enough in my own abilities to be able to pull it off.

[@GearyDigit]

@@dawidscheffler7152 I mean, if you got outmaneuvered to that degree then it sounds like they did a good job. Why not just anchor, scuttle, and catch a mermaid/server hop instead of just taking the spiteful option.

[@dawidscheffler7152]

@@GearyDigit because it's not their loot until they have pried it off your ship and handed it in? Same rules apply for any person grinding.

[@divad6202]

@@dawidscheffler7152 Yeah people seem to not understand that. Actually, they try to sound 'concerned' about this strat - but it's actually just settling for the draw in my books lol

[@hatherlow]

agree with most of what you say, however being called a MOFO by toxic children again and again is not so much fun so they can sometimes suck on the red sea..

[@tankerd1847]

Yeah if you run to the red sea just to be petty because you don't want to fight, that's lame. I don't see anything against doing it to people being toxic just to make them mad and prevent the satisfaction they'd get from beating you.

[@dimitrisskar4174]

@@tankerd1847 it's way pettier that you can't resist commenting on a 1 year old comment...

[@thatdude1435]

@@dimitrisskar4174 i dont see any written rules about such thing lol

[@dimitrisskar4174]

@@thatdude1435 u mean rules abt pettiness?

[@thatdude1435]

@@dimitrisskar4174 about answering 'old comments'.

[@The_Captainn]

I've never done this but I fully support people doing this. Not everyone wants to fight sweatlords

[@flibbityfloid4344]

The thing is, the average SoT player wants them to focus on PvP stuff more but Rare keeps pushing PvE and some cooperative stuff. The runners do need to accept you have to fight to get better but PvP'ers should also understand it's a two way street. If someone doesn't want to fight and obviously doesn't have worthy loot, you can go pick a fight ANYWHERE else. I got involved in a fight way out of my skill level. It was a bunch of kids who msg'd me after jabbing at my journal for all the voyages/pvp stuff. I like to experiment and play the whole game. Not just 10%. Running wastes more time and you're bound to lose it anyway doing so is how I mull over it.

[@Kodama666]

thats just an objectively bad take 1. its a pirate game not a skeleton farming simulator 2. eventually ur going to be one of those sweatlords killing noobs, it is the inevitable cycle of learning any game 3. rare is now removing even the possibility of doing this because its objectively unhealthy for a pirate game i am a noob ive only just recently started playing this game and i have gotten absolutely destroyed by some DA sail skeleton skin players and yknow yea it fuckin sucks but more than anything it just makes me excited for when i am a skeleton pvper with DA sails and on the other end, 99% of the fights ive experienced so far were absolutely fair fights, and most of those fights i won so if ur gonna let 99% of the fun of the game be ruined by 1% of the playerbase well u got bigger problems to worry about with yourself than just fighting a few sweatlords, thats a bad attitude and an unhealthy mindset for playing literally any game ever made not just this one

[@Taxigothy]

​@@Kodama666I've found other ways to ensure people don't get my stuff without the red sea. Honestly I'm mad at myself for not even trying to run to the red sea so I'll do that more often

[@Kodama666]

@@Taxigothy well its removed from the game now so if u do it ur treasure will be teleported right next to the people who chased u

[@jamierose9095]

​@@Kodama666 Then that's just more proof that the assholes at Rare don't know what the fuck they're doing.

[@Ballissle]

it's not about the money. It's about sending a message

[@entelin]

lol you might want to think about what message you send. Most people focused on pvp don't give a shit about your loot. I've killed people and not bothered picking it up. You scuttling your ship or suiciding into the red sea is still a victory for me. The only difference is how much respect I have for you. Blurbs is exactly right, if you are doing this you're shooting yourself in the foot, and honestly should just be playing a different game. The loot is there to be fought over, that's all, it has no real value.

[@kreshniksopaj3510]

Yeah but if he knows you are winning the fight. So you can at least win the fight but not be rewarded additionally. Plus we have to consider that some people sometimes just want to chill after a day of work and not pvp.

[@entelin]

@@kreshniksopaj3510 If your goal is to say "I don't want to fight" and remove any sense of victory from the pvp player. Then don't fight, don't run, don't do anything. It's not at all fun for the pvper and occasionally they might not even sink you. It's kinda hard to destroy someone that's actually just clearly not participating. There's no reward there. Sailing across the map and then into the red sea is still giving me a chase and a sink. Regardless, running from a fight is pointless, my rule is if I see someone, I fight, regardless of how much loot I have. I'm not some pvp god or anything, but it's a pvp game so that's what I'm there to do.

[@kreshniksopaj3510]

Yeah this discussion is really crazy and we will never get people to play all the same way. I also rather fight for my stuff and if someone sinks me he at least had to put in the effort. But some people, myself including to a degree, just find it cheesy to hop servers till you find someone you can steal loot from. I know some servers are dead and if you are going for pvp there is not much of a choice. But literally every time I do some Athena voyages the server gradually fills up with server hoppers. Plus most of them bring an unhealthy amount of toxicity with them. And if someone is hopping for 10 minutes to find someone with loot. It is going to piss him off if he doesn’t get it.

[@microwave4928]

@@entelin woosh

[@wofle39]

I appreciate the effort, it is clear that you do genuinely want to make things better for the players of the game, but... No, losing to people who are far better than you isn't fun, and you don't really gain anything from it. The idea of "learning something from it" works when you've got two groups with sort of similar skill levels, but when you just get stomped, you don't learn anything from it, you don't gain anything from it, you just have the frustration of having literally wasted the last few hours of effort because a PvP group decided that yours was the day they were going to ruin, and after that happens a few times, you just stop playing the game because it's just not fun. No, you don't just "lose" the anxiety and stress of getting sunk and losing all that treasure you found - it's just replaced by intially anger, and once it happens enough, a kind of apathetic resignation - or a desire to get back at your attackers by making things miserable for them as well. It doesn't magically make you focused on learning something from the fight. It just doesn't work that way for casual players - I am never going to be as good as someone who's put down hundreds, or even thousands of hours in the game, doing almost nothing but PvP. That skill gap is never going to close, and what little I *may* learn from it as a casual player will do practically nothing to make me have a better chance at my next encounter. I am never going to stop being frustrated and annoyed that I lose hours of progress to what, from my position, just feels like griefing. It's also why sea of thieves is always going to struggle getting a decent population - the core concept of the game is fun, and the PvP is fun to a certain extent, but the number of players who are super into the PvP is always going to be relatively small compared to the number of people who just want to have some fun sailing around with friends. And the attitude of "you just need to get better" really isn't going to help bring in more people. Because PvP is what drove me away from Sea of Thieves, and drove all my friends away from Sea of Thieves. We only started playing it again because of the new content, and once we've played through that, I imagine the novelty will wear off pretty quick.. or rather, drown in the frustration of never making progress because any time you make any meaningful progress, you'll just get sunk anyway. Maybe Sea of Thieves isn't the game for me, and that's fair - but I do genuinely enjoy the game when I actually get to play it. I do want to like it. It's just that as the game is now, there's a mismatch between PvE content and PvP content. If Sea of Thieves is to be a pure PvP game, okay, that's fair... but it's not. You have plenty of non-PvP activities, but because of the attitude that you *have* to engage in PvP regardless of whether you want to or not, it makes the PvE content largely irrelevant because.. well, what's the point if at the end of the day, you know that you're going to get sunk by players who you're never going to catch up to? Might as well play something else that is as fun, but doesn't have the bitter aftertaste of getting trounced in a PvP fight you were never that interested in to begin with. Playing PvE in Sea of Thieves at the moment is basically just making yourself a punching bag for the PvP players, who can get all the loot they're ever going to need by sinking PvE players. And that kinda cultivates the attitude of "screw you, if I can't have my fun then nobody can have fun". Being forced into a fight you don't want, with no way to avoid it, that can cost you hours of progress.. I don't blame people for sailing into the red sea as a way of flipping off PvP players, because while from your point of view, you're just having fun playing the game as intended (and you're not entirely wrong on that count), from the point of view of casual players they are also just playing the game as intended, they're just playing a different part of it than you. Neither are wrong, but one party gets their experience ruined, while the other gets to have fun at the expense of the party that got their experience ruined. And while it is, at least in the current state of the game, fair to say that you just have to deal with it... it is going to drive players away. And that's easy enough to see if you look at the player numbers on steam, which went from 66 000 concurrent players when it launched... and had dropped to just above 20 000 concurrent players in less than a year. While the new content from A Pirate's Life will certainly provide a new influx of players, there is a real risk for the game to drop into a death spiral due to the mechanics of the game pushing casual players away. In the end, it pretty much boils down to whether Sea of Thieves should be a dedicated game for people who want to spend all that time PvPing and getting good at it - and dealing with the issue of declining population that will cause - or if it should be something that casual players can just jump into and enjoy with their friends. Either one is a valid option, but I know what I'd prefer. I don't have a solution to it, but telling casual players to forget about the two hours of progress they just lost and focus on getting better on the fight, when those two hours may well have been the only time they had for playing the game that week isn't going to help, no matter how well meaning it is. Just the two cents of a casual player in all this.

[@SarevokBhaalspawn]

Pretty long to read but it's worth it. You said everything that needed to be said, and with a lot of respect for everybody.

[@taiquyorah9115]

Props man ! As a casual player most of the time, and a tryharder one on rare occasions, I completely agree on all your arguments ! Hope to see you in the seas ! Also, if it can help anyone, I always take a rowing boat and I check the seas quite often to spote any dangers. If I get chased for a while by bigger crews, I run away against the win if possible or uses the island's cannon to try to slow them down, or try to drop their anchor. If I see that I won't manage solo and I get the impression they are going to chase me even if I get neer the red sea, I take all my loot on my row boat and go sell to the nearest outpost, they generally chase my boat while I have time to sell. Hoped it helped someone out there.

[@emmettsmith1387]

I get what you're saying but I have three counter points. The first point being that pvp players have every disadvantage thrown at them. Anyone who is running reapers is visible on the map so they are very easily avoided, or if you're on an island you can at least see them coming and leave. Running away has every advantage, you can drop off your ship and anchor your opponents, drop kegs behind, or even just turn and chain-shot. Meanwhile while you are chasing someone there's really not much to do except try to move more efficiently than your opponent. The second point I'd like to make is that other than content creators I don't think sea of thieves really attracts a lot of the audience you're complaining about. The pvp mechanics are very basic, the hit registration is awful, and most of the time you can't even find people to pvp. While I'm not disputing there aren't plenty of trolls or aggressive players, I'm just saying that there aren't many people dumping thousands of hours into a game like this to "master" its pvp. Compare it to something like counter strike, or league of legends, or any fighting game (as in things like tekken or street fighter) and you'll find there isn't nearly as much of a skill gap between good and bad players. You say you're a casual player, and my point is that everyone playing sea of thieves is a casual player. Its a casual game. Last thing probably won't make you happy and doesn't really counter your point admittedly. But it IS a pirate game, so I feel like taking out the pvp would kinda ruin the idea for the game. Personally I like to run reaper when I play alone, but with my friends we almost exclusively do PvE. So I've been on both ends of the stick. I leave people who are doing tall tales alone, and even make friends with other boats. I just like to have fun and unique experiences and don't focus too much on the loot. Just today i was playing solo reaper and some guy asked to fish on my boat, we hit it off and did a fort of fortune (those take forever) and after we met up at reapers (he had to bring in his abandoned boat) and just split the loot. I feel like maybe the community is more of the issue and less the game, but that's just my take.

[@AmramGames]

Not to mention that it is probably console players who are going into the red sea. They are playing on sticks at 30 fps or lower while PC crack addicts dodge sword swings whilst strafing right in front of you. The fact that this games population is so low that they have to enable crossplay just goes to show how toxic the sea of thieves is. I feel like the most dedicated audience of this games gets the same thrill as people do with road rage.

[@wofle39]

@@emmettsmith1387 I do not agree that PvP players are at a disadvantage. The reaper thing is wholly irrelevant because you don't need to use a reaper flag to PvP, you can fly whatever flag you want and still attack other players freely. And if you're engaging in PvE activity, well, you're often already going to be occupied with something else, often on an island, and unless you're lucky enough to run into a PvPer who actually runs the reaper flag you're quite likely to not see them coming until it's too late. Sure, you have a bit of a head start when you're running away.. but that doesn't really help all that much - you're still often not gonna be able to get away, and as simple as the mechanics of the game may be, there's still a fair bit of nuance and skill to it that makes winning a fight against a player who actively practices PvP on a regular basis quite difficult if you don't engage much in it yourself. The skill gap is less about whether the game gives you a lot of tools and skills to work with, and more about how much time and effort you've spent learning all the quirks and more subtle things of the mechanics and know how to use them. Sea of thieves absolutely has a low skill floor, but the skill ceiling is quite a ways up. The reason you most of the time can't find people to PvP seems to be *because* of the things I mention - most players will avoid other players like the plague unless they're looking for a fight, because they expect other players to be hostile and give them a bad time. One can certainly discuss to what extent that is actually true, and you may be right that the number of people who actively PvP is low - but because of how the game is rigged, it still fosters a "better safe than sorry" attitude that discourages engaging with other players unless you're looking to fight. Unfortunately, if you *do* encounter and interact with a player, it is most likely going to end up with a fight. I would just like there to be a way to not have that be the default. I 100% agree that PvP should not be taken out of the game! PvP can be very fun when that's what I go into the game to do, and if my comment came off as wanting PvP removed, then clearly I've missed the mark somewhere - I am thinking more of limiting who you can attack unless you're running the reaper flag, similar to the pacifist/PvE modes a lot of games like this have. Perhaps the best move WOULD be to separate primarily PvP and primarily PvE servers, with PvP servers having today's rules of "everyone can attack everyone, flags be damned", whereas in PvE servers you'd have to run the reaper flag and take the penalties that comes with that in order to attack other players (unless they attack you first). Of course, that would likely exacerbate the population issues, especially on PvP servers, and the devs have made it pretty clear they don't intend to make PvE servers, so that's probably not happening.. I'm glad you're running into players who play nice, and I'm sure there's more of them around than it seems, but when the default reaction to seeing a player ship is "gtfo they might attack us" that kinda puts a severe damper on player interaction. It's possible I've just been unlucky, but if so then all my friends have all been unlucky as well because their experience is largely the same. As for the community being more the issue than the game, I kind of agree, but in more of a general sense - if I could expect players to have some basic decency and be reasonable then the current way the game functions might work just fine.. but let's face it, anyone who has played any amount of multiplayer games knows that there are far too many players who are not reasonable for that to be relied on. There's always going to be toxic players, and with those mixed in with people who just do PvP for fun (which may not be as fun for the people they target) it is going to drive casual players away because they just don't want to deal with it when the game puts no restrictions on it.

[@samuelgoncalves6922]

I use the red sea to run, I always get in there when I'm been chased by somene. Just get inside, wait for the enemy ship to follow you, and then do a drif using the ancor, after that you let your frind repare the ship and jump in the enemy ship, drop their ancor and go to pvp, they'll have to deal with you and the red sea while you frind get away, this works very good for me.

[@azetruszkloki8838]

It's fun that you mention this, 2 days ago we offered an alliance to another crew, they accepted it (whish is rare), then they were attacked by an skeleton galleon (we played with a sloop). So, we went end help them fighting the galleon, but our allies ran ashore with their ship so the fight was just between us and the skeleton ship. We successfully sank the skeleton ship... in the red sea. That bastard NPC was maneuvering itself to the red sea so no loot for us. You should teach this even to NPCs. :D

[@invaderdag711]

As a solo player, ive lost a lot of PVP to a group of 3 or 4 players. ive gotten better at pvp, but at the same time when someone chases you across the seas for OVER 1hr, passing other ships, with the sole purpose of sinking JUST YOU, i will red sea the loot just to piss off the people chasseing me. so what if i did just spend 3hrs stacking loot n getting emissary 5 souls and was basically at the outpost and getting ready to sell. let me sell my loot and then ill PVP you, please.

[@shanevandenberg9510]

Womp womp

[@GoBirds802]

I’m a newer player, so while I’m out getting loot and other players come after me, I’ve lost everything 10/10 times. I get what you’re saying, you shouldn’t run if you want to get better at PVP, but I think that’s situational. If I’m on an empty ship I’ll try to fight, but if I’ve spent hours running around collecting treasure, I’m trying to get away.

[@harms123]

The point of the video was that you shouldn't go into the red sea when getting chased, not that you shouldn't run away.

[@kinorris1709]

@@harms123 Why not use the red sea? If it's clear there is no escape, you are outnumbered, outgunned, and clearly up against more experienced players, you often won't learn shit regardless. There is practically nothing you can learn from being spawncamped by tryhards for the 10th time, or sunk in 10 seconds by 2 galleons, other than how much they value being toxic, and putting in minimal effort. There is a difference between a situation where a new player atleast stands a chance of fighting back for more than 30 seconds, and a situation where no matter what they do, they lose. In the latter, much more common example, they have every right to try to guarantee that their attackers don't get the loot just as much as the attackers have every right to try to take it. Key word: try. They wanna succeed? They have to earn it. They can kill the player before they get there. If not, they lose the loot too. Better to make it a situation where everyone loses, rather than just you. You don't get to interrupt a PvE player's stuff and then act like.they are in the wrong for denying you PvP or a chance for loot.

[@harms123]

@@kinorris1709 If I'm PvE'ing I expect people to attack me because it's a pirate game. If no one attacks, cool. But if they do I intend to fight back. If I know i'm gonna lose and they're toxic players then yeah, they don't deserve the loot and i'll gladly sail into red sea and have them cry. But If they aren't dickheads I don't mind them getting my loot. It's part of the game to attack others players. It's literally in the name. I know it can suck to get sunk and lose a bunch of loot, but loot really doesn't matter. The only thing you can use money for is cosmetics. I value a good fight over some worthless skulls, chests, and crates. "Better to make it a situation where everyone loses, rather than just you." This is petty, and It seems to be the root of the problem. First of all, why is this better if they aren't being toxic? Dragging people down with you because of the doubt you have in your PvP abilities is pretty sad in my book. Don't wanna fight them and they aren't toxic? Just scuttle and get on with your life. If you can't handle fighting anyone then sea of thieves may not be for you. But this is all assuming you won't learn anything from the fight, which I also believe is completely wrong. Even in the worst possible scenario, where you get spawn camped by a pair of good players, you can still learn what to do to avoid getting one-shot and how to take back your ship. So why use the red sea If people aren't being toxic? To me, you not accepting that PvP is part of the game and removing loot from the seas is more toxic than chasing someone in a pirate game.

[@kinorris1709]

@@harms123 yeah, because instantly dying to a 4 man boarding party with eyes on all spawns is really such an amazing learning experience. There is nothing to be learned from spawncamping, that the kill that made it so you needed to respawn hasn't already taught you.

[@harms123]

@@kinorris1709 I disagree. But if you believe that then why not just scuttle?

[@Ribboppity]

It IS very pirate-y to take your loot with you, though.

[@minismallists]

Actually, from what I have seen from pirates, there has always been this sort of almost kind of “honor” with pirates, of course not all of them, but some pirates respected people who bested them in a fair match, and let them take the loot

[@WorrizEcko]

The captain goes down with his ship so does me booty

[@bosunbill9059]

@@minismallists But if the other crew is a bunch of racist griefers or suicidal returners, there will be no honor in piracy. It will just be clowning madness. Better to lose all your loot than let those clowns mentioned above take it because you will eventually lose your stuff to them.

[@minismallists]

@@bosunbill9059 well of course, if you have to kill all of them more than once, do it, but everyone deserves at least a small amount of sportsmanship, it’s what makes games fun, after all

[@themangoartificer882]

realistically a pirate would give up there treasure if it meant their life and ship

[@TomClarke1995]

I just wish everyone’s ship gave a personal advantage so that spawn killing and spam-boarding couldn’t be exploited so terribly.

[@TomClarke1995]

@ZEKIEDOG And orange I mean, you’re not wrong about me being bad 😄 But I’m not mad. I’m still happy to play the game and get better at sword and gun fighting. I just really enjoy the naval fighting aspect, which isn’t a main focus for a game with ships and cannons for some reason.

[@eal-ectric5196]

@@TomClarke1995 even I who think I’m decent hope this becomes a thing slightly.

[@RaxDoesStuff]

I have to agree, there really does need to be some penalty of some kind for occupying an enemy ship for a prolonged period of time. There’s an argument to be made that camping and Spawn killing are two factors that are pretty typically frowned upon and or are directly dealt with by the developers in most first person shooters. Not to mention that the hit registry in this game is fairly wonky most of the time. That being said, you just have to kind of take this game for what it is. The game wasn’t originally built around PVP, so the PVP system isn’t exactly perfect. But I do feel like the developers need to do something to subsidize for the lack of quality in PVP mechanics in order to avoid exploitation.

[@duckyown]

Well by time ur getting spawn Killed the fight is alredy over so Small margain for errors

[@hatherlow]

@@duckyown so scuttle time

[@serioussam999]

I’m not much into PvP myself, but I completely understand the mindset/grindset of wanting to get better, and focusing on your losses as gains and just generally learning how to improve. You may lose from time to time, but you always gain something at the same time. Great video.

[@JXLegends]

I only get a short amount of time to play at night. My ship sinking means my entire night just got taken from me. Of course I’m gonna be pissed. And of course I’d rather you gain nothing from my demise. That being said, these videos were very informative and I plan on attempting to put them to use later.

[@kaingates]

I think this is post hoc ergo propter hoc. The problem with not red seaing is that the people sinking your ship isn't there for your enjoyment. They're there to ruin it as much as possible for you, to negate you from having the utilizing the mechanics of the game to the fullest. If you are already in that mindset of "I could win this fight if I was better" means that you're already dedicated to know enough to have feasible chance in a "David vs Goliath" situation. Most people getting ganked don't, and it's not fun to get ganked because it's not in their interest to dedicate this much time in the game. You're from the other side thinking "I have dedicated so much in a game that I love that I want to perfect my skills", which is reasonable but isn't universal. I say fuck'em, if they want a fight and you'd rather sink your ship then that's their time wasted. I enjoy getting better at PvP but that doesn't mean I think everyone else should play the same way I play.

[@AShinyRay]

I got torn apart for suggesting this on Reddit, the mental gymnastics to justify it and not fight was seriously impressive. As I've said before, my favourite channel at the moment and chuffed you got partner!

[@menamgamg]

It's a bit hopeless to expect people to learn this though, if they already have the mindset to not even try. Or i mean you could suggest they go see a therapist to work on themselves, because that's what it comes down to lol.

[@michaelwilliamson7]

I love your channel and you are criminally underrated. You definitely deserve more subs and to become a SoT partner

[@AShinyRay]

@@michaelwilliamson7 thanks Michael, I really do appreciate your kind words!

[@Snight101]

@@menamgamg except they're not hopeless, you can practice PvP literally any time, log on right now and just focus on PvP, red seaing because you know you've lost doesn't stop you from then practicing PvP immediately afterwards, so this logic is fucked from the start.

[@harms123]

@@Snight101 But that doesn't change the fact that the only good reason to red sea is to avoid toxic players getting your loot. If the folks chasing you aren't toxic and you believe that you've already lost, you've literally got nothing to lose. Either you battle them, possibly win, get experience with PVP and possibly get the satisfaction of sinking another ship... or you don't battle them, waste your time sailing into the red sea, get no experience pvp'ing and the other ship, that has put effort into hunting you down, get no reward for their persistency. The choice seems pretty obvious. Don't wanna fight them, have already given up and they don't seem toxic? Just scuttle and leave. Personally, I think it's sort of toxic to remove the loot from the server just because your ego can't take getting sunk.

[@Brawneteer]

I think most of it is a mentality of "You're not taking my hard work, so if I can't have it, no one can." And tbh I would probably do this myself primarily to get out of a situation that I don't want to be stuck in (getting spawncamped). I'd rather take the option that let's me get back to enjoying the game more quickly than sit and deal with idiots who won't take the win, sink my ship, and let me get back to what I was doing.

[@AqworldsMew11]

So many people say it's a pirate game, but this is what a real pirate would do. If I can't have me treasure no one will.

[@gourdguru]

@@AqworldsMew11 yeah, that's the thing. like, toxic sweats like to say "It's a pirate game bro" to justify their actions when just hunting and sinking folks, but that's not really a true representation. remember, Blackbeard held an entire port town hostage in order to extort medicine for his crew from them, and most accounts of captains recognizing who was chasing them and surrendering to blackbeard ended fairly well. likewise, in this respect they cry about red sea runners, but again blackbeard stranded half his own crew on an inlet sandbar before burning his own flagship and running in his more shallow vessel for a suicide run in the inlet against the navy. Blackbeard was also part of the Brethren of the Coast, a caribbean pirate alliance. the true "PvP Pirate" is the ship that uses the speaking trumpet to offer parley, saying that if you surrender your treasure and your chainshot, you can leave with your ship and emissary intact and is willing to enter an alliance as a show of good faith, but will 100% sink you if you attempt to defend yourself. "I get what i want, you keep your ship, and just maybe we can both make the most of this- half the value of your loot is better than none, and having a friendly set of sails and cannons two islands west can come in handy in an emergency, no...?" also, ever notice sweatlords only call you trash when you're better than them? like, when the brig can't catch the sloop because the sloop are better sailors, than the sloop is "Trash, bruh". or you know, maybe the sloop captain knows his strong points and would rather bank on his naval skills than on his boarding party's combat skills, because if he's wrong it means a war of attrition which is long, drawn out and annoying. when the doublegunner get's dropped by the most predictable sword lunge in history, suddenly THAT'S when you're "garbage". it's such a toxic "You fight back? you coward!" kind of mentality. finally, this is prime jack sparrow piracy, sailing into cursed waters to escape capture in a suicide play that no sailor in his right mind would dare follow. i remember in the early seasons before the game would eventually hard delete your ship and the red sea HAD to sink you manually, it was a strategy for a good sloop crew on the run with no more options to sail into the red, cant the wheel to arc you out of it slowly, and then just focus on patching and bailing. "I'll sail into the Blood Tides rather than surrender me plunder, i trust MY crew can handle Poseidon's Wrath, how about yours? if we do sink, we'll have the last laugh on the Ferry." my buddy and i used to do Blood Tide Runs when we were bored as a way to practice and work on our bilge efficiency and just to see how far out we could make it before we got overwhelmed.

[@Rairosu]

Its time consuming to fight ships on both sides that fail to be sinked due to efficiency to a point that it gets stale fast.

[@thomas3t]

The moment you start to realise the experience is way more important than the value of your physical loot, is the moment you actually start to enjoy and play this game the right way.

[@billbertbuzzums8166]

That moment will come once I get my Dark Adventurer Jacket. Until then I'm hoarding more gold than Harry the Hoarder and you can have all the experiences you want.

[@thomas3t]

​@@billbertbuzzums8166 I am not telling you how to enjoy the game. Just please don't forget to have those experiences along the way. Any Dark Adventurer customization is going to be a filthy empty reward if you grinded your way there. If you have fun along the way. be my guest. I have had nothing but joyful experiences, I never worked for a (virtual) penny in my life, got more millions than I can dream of spending and I still enjoy the game. To me, the gameplay is the most important thing. The rest comes as you go, as you grow as a player and thus earn more. Money is easy to get and customizations are fun for a few days but skills last for as long as you play.

[@billbertbuzzums8166]

@@thomas3t it was a joke

[@AqworldsMew11]

You ain't getting my loot I will die with it. Then come back to annoy you in every battle just for chasing me.

[@noahblevins9569]

None of the points you make really require risking loot. I can spawn in and go fight all I want, without a single coin getting risked. I can practice shooting chainshot at a tree when passing an island. Running to the red sea is choosing to not reward gank squads for their playstyle. I also find it to be a fairly good survival method as a solo slooper. I can keep my sloop going a good long while in the red. How long will Gank Galley keep up? They can choose to play my game, where their numbers are not an advantage.....or they can run from me. When they do turn to back down, that is when the chainshot is being deployed. I think you are looking at it from a content creator standpoint. What content would MixelPlx or Pace22 have if people played smarter?

[@dyaman_]

thats the point of this video, if you just go to the red sea and sink all of your loot as he said thats a lose-lose situation and really bitchy/low way of playing the game

[@KrodaStagg]

@@dyaman_ Why should only one side be held to these standards? By using the logic of this video, the one that runs into the red sea to sink the loot is just as valid as the gank galleon gang. If a PVE'er wants to spite the PVP sweatlords by sinking their loot, then they have every right to do it. If you want to turn and fight, go for it, some people don't want to do that and would rather spite the people that butted in on their fun.

[@dyaman_]

@@KrodaStagg then run in the borders of the map, sell the loot while they are still chasing you one by one by jumping from the ship with one loot at the time, use wind to your advantage, running to the red sea just because players call themselfs "PVE" players is just playing a game that has a thieves title in its name and giving players every freedom they have to pvp and hoping no one attacks you. If they want pvp free experience then they can play assasins creed black flag or so

[@KrodaStagg]

@@dyaman_ Those are also options. If freedom is encouraged, then sinking the loot in the red sea is just as viable. The PVE side should not be held to a higher standard when the current meme is, "Mmm ohhh yes, PVE tears!" If 'this is a pirate game' has becomes the go-to rebuttal, then a real pirate would rather blow up and destroy their loot than let someone else take it.

[@pizzamaster6953]

@@KrodaStagg The game is called "Sea of Thieves" You should expect gank squads to show up and rob you. It's a pirate game.

[@legiongaming99]

I think the big part of the problem is that players expect weaker players to fight them and lose and be happy if your gonna chase someone especially a new person or espicially if you know your better than them at pvp knowing its a 100% win. Actually think about what your telling these PvE and new players.

[@FabledDragon]

Some people don't give up, and even when you sunk them several times, they have scuttled to get a better respawn to keep coming and only win by attrition :(

[@dylanclarke1498]

But if that’s the case bring it on even if it’s attrition warfare you gain some mad experience. Also you learn to do loot drop offs by sailing past and selling little by little so you also gain

[@GameRexem]

I just red sea'ed my loot from this reaper who didnt leave us alone, I fell so much better than what i would feel if I had let them sink me even while going down with a fight, as a bonus they also sank, my first time red sea'ing someone was great

[@kashay4415]

How do you know they would've sunk you?

[@herskind1364]

see i dont get that tho. Why would you feel better if no one had the loot? theyre afterall just playing the game too. I get it if theyre extremely toxic and hotmics n shit. but if theyre just playing reaper, why red sea the loot?

[@Peztllence]

@@herskind1364 because it's about wasting their time and making sure they get nothing out of it. See, by fighting you give them what they want -- a challenge and some loot at the end of it. By depriving them of the fight, you deprive them of the fun. It's a sort of "fuck you, you won't get shit out of me" play.

[@Peztllence]

It's not about winning, it's making sure they lose.

[@herskind1364]

@@Peztllence I know. I just dont get why you take it so personally. You srly just think theyre out there to ruin your day, but in reality theyre just trying to play like you. pvp is literally a part of the game. People like that are srly some of the most toxic players in the game.

[@popeval6654]

i always prefer to run into the storm if its close, by far the best place to go for running imo, the storm steers your ship randomly, limits FOV (which doesnt matter as much to you since you're running) and while the lightning is still a problem its not that bad since you dont have to worry about steering as you repair

[@corviniago6456]

Great video with some good points, but If you chase a ship to the extent they go to the red sea you've completely failed as well. Through proper tacking you CAN gain ground on them. Instead of chasing like a clueless dog actually plan your approach more often, use islands/rocks as cover and get better at sail management. Don't just copy a ships movements exactly and turn it into a BS competition of who can afford to do nothing the longest. I'm highly supportive of the PVP/PVE gameplay the game offers, but expecting a ship to fight you 100% of the time even if the odds are extremely against them is just as entitled and stupid as the demand for PVE servers.

[@F4ir8or]

I'd red sea my loot every day of the week before giving some server hopping, griefing reaper assholes the satisfaction of sinking me. I get your point of getting better, but this one is about principles.

[@herskind1364]

youre just taking it too personal man. Why ar they assholes for being reapers? they just wanna fight. Theyre just playing the game.

[@MrDrunkscottsman]

Well you know, if someone doesn't want to work, they steal loot. If they don't want their loot stolen, they can fight or sink it. I take joy in loot-blocking reapers, it makes me happy.

[@GearyDigit]

Fighting other players is work. It's called Sea of Thieves.

[@WigWoo1]

If you have a full crew you can repair the ship faster than it sinks when you're in the red sea. And if you go far enough out into the red sea it'll teleport you and respawn your ship facing the other direction so you can use that to get away from the other player. I would never go into the red sea to sink my ship thats stupid. I go into the red sea so the other player will sink while me and my crew focuses on boarding up the holes

[@Deboniako]

Yeah, I tried that with my crew. Our ship despawned and we were teleported to a random island in a brand new ship without any loot.

[@jmarino715]

I used the red sea once as a strategic advantage when I was stacking loot while solo slooping and getting chased by 2 allied galleons. I had tons of wood on my ship and after about 30 mins of boarding them and trying other tactics which were unsuccessful due to the numbers advantage they had, I noticed that neither ship had much wood to sustain themselves. Both ships broke off the chase after only 5 mins once I entered the red sea and I was able to get away and cash in all the loot. Like you said. "It's all about perception."

[@goatmagnum]

All there is to learn in these sorts of engagements is that the game's meta is to abuse exploits, sorry, I mean features and to accept that your fun ends where everyone else's entitlement begins. Yeah, as a solo slooper, you bet your ass I'll run to the red sea, especially if I have a whole Fort of Fortune in my sloop. But not before I lead these leeches on the slowest-ass goose chase into the wind for as long as possible, wasting their time for no payout. There's nothing more satisfying than frustrating others who are out to frustrate me, and because I'm a low-skill solo with little time in my day to commit to grinding out hours of PvP to get marginally better, I'll do it the way I can. Inb4 mad because bad. You're damn right.

[@kristler6440]

A really op strategy is to acquire the shroudbreaker amulet thing from tall tale #9 and sail your boat into the red sea. The item prevents you from sinking while going into the red sea.

[@rekttryhards2102]

if you go to the 9th tall tale area of the red sea

[@Taxigothy]

This❤

[@thesaltshaker704]

I agree to some degree but at the same time I’m a seasoned player. Over the past few years I’ve tried to get a lot of my friends to play the game only for them to quit because ultimately the game is at a point where the skill gap is very hard to overcome if you’re not playing with a seasoned player. So for them Red Sea running is the only decent option because it’s their only way of getting back at the people they have no chance against. I’m not saying this should be the constant go to, however sometimes it feels good to have the last laugh

[@stefanorosamagic]

I do agree with you for all you said, but I'm a kind of person that think, if I not going to have it, you won't as well

[@bpmgaming3351]

As I've played the game more and am learning that you do get incrementally better I don't really let a large haul sinking get to me too much, because let's be real, I'm just gonna get back on to grind again the next day. I've enjoyed the game much more doing so.

[@dylanclarke1498]

Plus on the other hand even if you loose all that loot think about what the other player is feeling. You just made their day.

[@mantraseven5164]

I would gladly lose my loot to an enemy player after a good fight, but on the other hand if I realize that I’m fighting a losing battle against a toxic crew that has done nothing but insult me the whole fight, I will go to any length to ensure that they don’t get anything for their time.

[@KopperNeoman]

That's why the loot should spawn in the Sea of Thieves. If you want to punish a "toxic" crew for being better than you, you should look like the entitled idiot you are.

[@reverendgaddy2435]

Here's some (possibly unpopular) advice: 1. Join a big alliance server group and play with those swabbies for a good long while. 2. Bank a couple cool MILLION gold with them within a mere couple dozen hours of play (it's very, VERY easy...) 3. Once you've got that much gold banked most of the pressure of "loot-fear" will disappear almost by magic, and you can... 4. Focus on improving your game and achieving specific goals. of course, you can do this without having a bunch of gold--- after all, gold does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in this game except buy fancy toys that do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in game--- but it's somehow easier to see all those shiny, hard-earned, captain's chests go down when you know you've still got millions in the bank... As the Pirate Lord told you in the very beginning of the game: "It's not about the gold, it's about the glory!"

[@RogueShadows]

Nnnnah. If I’m gonna lose I don’t see any valid reason why I should allow the other guy to win if I can make him lose too. I’ll see my treasure given to Davy Jones’ locker before I let someone steal it from me.

[@donatotusi9140]

Same! Also, it's a pretty piratey thing to do! If I can't get the loot, then noone can!

[@sleepyiguess]

@@donatotusi9140 lame

[@donatotusi9140]

@@sleepyiguess Not really but okay :D If you didn't manage to catch up and outsmart your opponent you don't deserve to get the loot anyways imo :b

[@sleepyiguess]

@@donatotusi9140 who said I didn’t?

[@neonblade8591]

@@sleepyiguess the fact the opponent managed to get to the map's edge without sinking did.

[@XANA520]

Red Sea Running seems to be a spite move more than anything. "If I'm going to sink, it will be on my terms and you will not get anything of mine."

[@Vanstrudel]

I totally did it out of spite. He would not stop chasing me and was obviously way better than me ;_; After an hour of running/failed attempts at fighting I was next to the border and said "Fk you and fk me too."

[@Vanstrudel]

@@elite8001 no u

[@fourcatz918]

@@Vanstrudel at this point you are admitting how shit you are and saying you are okay with never being good

[@WorrizEcko]

@@elite8001 shut up

[@Vanstrudel]

@@fourcatz918 no u

[@LordChipps420]

I once took my crew into the red sea to evade being robbed, we patched and baled and after they stopped casing, we turned around and brought the ship back and sold our loot! Sailing into the red sea was to deter the enemy rather than intending the sink and lose the treasure.

[@geraldduke7693]

I feel like there are better options; if you are being chased and they are behind you, constantly trying to board and anchor is better. If they can defend this, sail by an outpost as close as possible and jump off with a piece of loot, and mermaid back

[@Aartwood]

I’ve never considered it nor knew this Red Sea technique was even a thing!? But I’ll gladly now use it while being chased in future! 😆 I love the game, but don’t have as much time as some of the better players out there. I also can’t compete against mouse and keyboard players that have the reflexes of a cat against my lonely controller, so in all honesty for me it’s not about “get good” or “practice till I get better”, it’s more about enjoying the treasure hunting and monster hunting and handing in the earned loot over purposely going out of my way attacking players doing the same thing. Yes it’s a pirate game and yes it’s a pvp game, but if I do a quest, find the treasure, I’d rather lose it to the sea than to a galleon of players stealing from smaller weaker players. I was thinking isn’t the point of the arena to get pvp players together? Rather than “pvp” players just out hunting non pvp players for easy kills and easy gratification rather than going up against equally skilled pvp’ers.

[@nendouuu2443]

if you’re playing on Xbox try turning on the play only with players with Xbox controllers option. it helps weed out some of those super sweaty mouse players. if i want to play and just relax i’ll turn this setting on and it usually helps (i agree with you though i always feel more immersed in the game going island to island reading treasure maps/quests rather than when in a PvP encounter.)

[@Aartwood]

@@nendouuu2443 yeah I have that option turned on but Xbox players can now also use keyboard and mouse 😆 joys lol

[@nendouuu2443]

@@Aartwood im pretty sure with the option on you won’t run into k&m’s even on Xbox, just double checked and it says “Prefer Xbox and Controllers only:” but i could be wrong or it could be a new thing as i’ve only gotten into the game a couple months ago. happy sailing friend!

[@Aartwood]

@@nendouuu2443 I’ve never noticed it say that before! So I guess it’s just down to me sucking instead 😂 still fun as heck though lol

[@nendouuu2443]

@@Aartwood yeah there’s still a lot of people better than me on Xbox but at least i don’t have to play against someone who does a full 360 with a little movement of the mouse😂

[@agent6567]

There are two very satisfying ways to win pvp encounters. One is defeating your enemies in combat, obviously, but the other, which is even more satisfying to me, is outsmarting them. I've had many encounters as a solo sloop where I run into an enemy I feel uneasy about, and I try my best to trick them in some way while keeping my loot from them. Whether it be packing the loot into a rowboat, and rowing to an outpost or safe island to pick up later, or using the maneuverability of the sloop to its fullest potential, running the enemy into rocks, it's always fun to make smart plays against rival crews on the seas!

[@ariannamoreno1910]

With the introduction of harpoons it's easier to then to move in rocks too

[@duckyown]

Bro anything can Happen in PVP once time I was a brigantine Finished skeleton fleet with like 100k loot i guess A galleon chased and rammed us kinda killed us and sunk like few mins later but We put evrything on the rowboat and I was able to backspawn weasel my way onto their gally unnoticed docked rowboat with loot and still sneak out again with all the loot we just had kinda dumb on their part not watching ladders but shows anything can happen. After that I just rowboated in circles for ages until they lost me and sold at Plunder eventually while my team runs distraction

[@niightwollf2865]

Yes losing to day 1 sweats has been really fun as I try to get to pirate legends.....not that I am against pvp....I am actually someone who loves pvp and will normally fight players and I can promise you that going against a day 1 sweat who kills you before you know what happened teaches you nothing except to stay away from day 1 sweats.....I honestly hate it when people try to encourage new player to keep dying to the really good player because they learn something....what you learn in most cases is extremely minimal....when you actually learn is if you get to duel someone over and over with them actively giving you tips on what you did wrong and you trying to improve on those flaws....but of course videos like these never mention something like dueling someone who is really good because that will actually help the issue

[@Lordborgoth666]

I agree with this statement a lot as a MMA instructor I don't beat the dog shit outta the new people or throw them against the most experienced students in my class for practice too "teach" them and say this is what you should have done sense that'd make me look like a total jackass.

[@herskind1364]

How many times do you get against day 1 sweats my guy? cause i can tell you for a fact they are pretty rare. Also. dont rush getting to pirate legend. It shouldnt be a main goal when playing the game. Its not like you will get anything good from it. Certainly not respect. Unless youre facing new players. But actually they can teach you things fx. patience, being cool in stressful situations and testing your skills against actually good opponents. You can evolve several skills from fighting good players because you actually pressure yourself. And as everyone knows pressuring yourself and pushing yourself is the only way to improve. You will never get better from fighting bad players because you wont push or pressure yourself. You will only do that by fighting players which are better then you.

[@Emilly4really]

some people would rather feel in control by choosing to sink the loot. while there not in control in mid combat. so less stress and anxiety. Also alot of people want pve servers so this is the only option they have since they want to be Pacifist. just my opinion.

[@apachelinguas]

Or just not in the mood for fighting. I mean... I get the point: if you never fight you'll never learn. But it happened to me just today. I finally got to open a captain's cabin... It took me some time to empty the loot out of the wreck... and... when I got the last crate... OOOH guess what, guess who(?) I ship started to chase me down. It was really frustrating as for the only thing I wanted was to complete the mission and somehow feel great about finding the @#$ Captain key and actually opening the cabin. For what's worst, I was near Morrow's Peak and my only escape opportunity was heading south... where there's no other outpost and and you just got cornered by the red sea. So yes... I sunk my ship in the red sea. I tried to escape first, by using the surroundings and stuff, but they were determined to chase me down despite the clear distance.

[@naterade106]

@@apachelinguas if you were gonna lose why not fight cause they could be bad and you could win

[@apachelinguas]

@@naterade106 What's so wrong with simply not being in the mood for fighting? I do like pvp, but some times I just don't want to pvp, that's all.

[@zacharylong1954]

@@naterade106 or they cpuld profit off your work. The melee combat in this game is not good. If it was ship to ship sure. But they cqc is incredibly awkward.

[@apachelinguas]

​@@naterade106 On top of what I said: if a player prefers to sink the ship in the read sea... why chasing they down all across the map? You might as well look for another player that actually fight back. I myself see no fun in fighting less skilled players... ando don't waste the time chasing them down, just look for another one that could actually be a challenge. That argument many have: 'what do you have to lose if you are gonna lose anyway?' ... really? there could be MANY reasons why a player would prefer to sink their ship rather than fighting. Not to fight is also an option and part of the game for whatever reason and people shouldn't just keep pushing that around.

[@Ivyfied]

I dont flee to the red sea, I flee to the shores of gold since I always have the shroudbreaker active, Im just ass against pc players

[@MrRazzio]

there is so much wisdom in this video. you're a real one, blurbs.

[@PepicWalrus]

A simple solution is that treasure should not sink in the red sea and it drifts back to normal waters and then the count down begins.

[@microwave4928]

Then just go to the shores of gold and quit there

[@chosenone5473]

I just sail with he shroudbreaker and when someone chase me injsit dip in the red sea with the shroud breaker so I don't sink

[@KopperNeoman]

That has the counterplay of getting the Shroudbreaker yourself. That's okay.

[@Dap1ssmonk]

I feel like this loops back to a pretty common thing in this game: people over valuing loot. The loot in this game is literally only good for buying drip, so why sweat it when you lose? Better to fight and maybe have some fun in the encounter than to pop your ball so no one can play, like a bitch. Regardless of experience, regardless of any practice gained in fights, a losing pvp encounter has got to be more fun than running away like a baby. I don’t get the mindset of running into the Red Sea. This filtered back to my semi irrational hatred of people who only want pve, but I digress.

[@DistantOasis]

What if you aren't sailing the high seas to fight other pirates?

[@geoffreyporter7567]

Just started the game this month, and I’m so glad that so many content creators say this same thing. It’s been hard to stomach losing the loot, but leaning into the fights has taught me so much. I mean, I’m still awful, but I’m 1000x better at PVP than I was when I started.

[@summergamer7650]

Thats a nice mindset, I can tell you will learn faster than your average player.

[@flibbityfloid4344]

I'm getting better at boarding (shots need to be better) but I've been working on naval thanks to Blurbs, Boxy and BriittyBear. As a duo, I actually like PvP but anything more is too much going on and since I solo so much, it's hard when you're immensely outmanned. I love the pve stuff anyway and the way I look at it, running or no, there wouldn't be any loot hauls without adventurers like me.

[@jamierose9095]

Wow that's a stupid opinion.

[@skengg2903]

Your video just popped up in my for you page , glad I came across it , you got a great channel !

[@getwhacked33]

This ain't tiktok wym "for you page"

[@skengg2903]

@@getwhacked33 my recommended section , virtually the same thing lol

[@getwhacked33]

@@skengg2903 oh aight

[@l0stgr4vity64]

I am new to the game and i saw "shores of gold" on the map so I set sail in hope I could find lots of gold. When we reached the water on the map the sea started to turn red. I was unaware this could happen and when my ship started to break down I panicked until it was completely gone. I was pretty scared by this. I dont know why but a red sea and black skies without any land in sight was really scary for me 🤣

[@kikopedro8]

im not gonna lie I actually went to the red sea once with another person that was more expirienced than me because they told me to go there (we were being chased by a gal on a sloop) but then I told him to just fake going to the red sea and go on the border and guess what, it worked they just gave up idk how

[@dexc5901]

I know i'm late to this party, but my sloop buddy and I red sea'd only a couple of times and it was very early on. We were getting stalked by a galleon and then a brig. Both of which were reapers who could see us thanks to our gold em flag. the galleon turned back and we managed to turn in but the brig followed all the way and forced us all the way out. Now, however, we have gotten much better at the game and fight for our stuff all the time. Long story short, its a lot more fun to fight off would be pursuers so i definitely agree with what the message here is. I've been watching your videos and just would like to say we appreciate all the knowledge you're putting out here, and I for one, have definitely improved. Though still suck pretty hard with close combat and ladder defense lol

[@petecowley3481]

I once was in a sloop laden with treasure, and a galleon started to chase me, so I went through the corner of that bit between the the ancient isles and the lava place, and I managed to get through before my ship sank, but the galleon was too slow and sank.

[@thatplumbob73111]

Where’s that at asking for a friend

[@theashenhunter8361]

I had a friend that was really exited about luring a ship into the red sea when our ship has the shroudbreaker on. We scored a few times off that. Thoughts? Oh we usually never shy away from a fight. this was just a fun tactic.

[@4tigerking7]

For me the difference is the chaser wont get the benefits of my work, i drop my loot over the side as i’m being chased. Once i dont have loot and the map wont lead em back to it I’ll go ahead and fight and have fun with it but im not letting them get credit for my time and effort lol.

[@killatubby]

guys check point the tall tale and use that to run away, the shroud breaker will keep you safe so you can still run to the red and keep your treasure.

[@Boryang.]

how do you check point, do you just leave during the part where you get the shroudbreaker?

[@killatubby]

@@Boryang. yes

[@fifthcolumn388]

We always avoid fighting larger ships simply because we’ve become so good at evasion and ship handling and are only average at PvP. It’s an achievement to be able to run for hours with a boat full of loot IMO.

[@ILikeGirlyBoys]

Sloop is the deadliest ship in the game once your really good

[@flashburn9618]

You will never get better if you always run

[@fifthcolumn388]

@@flashburn9618 We fight when we have a good chance of winning, and when we don’t have 2 hours worth of loot and a maxed emissary flag to lose. We run when he have a few hours of loot and a full emissary flag and the ship chasing us is larger than us. Odds just aren’t good enough to take the risk of deliberately fighting, at that pointing fighting has to be a last resort.

[@dairemc]

That is just boring af for everyone else in the server

[@donatotusi9140]

@@dairemc I'm pretty sure you don't speak for everyone :b

[@Noblecorn]

I agree, but sometimes you're tired as hell after a long night of treasure hunting or whatever you're doing, and instead of wanting to learn you want to be spiteful and take your loot down with you. I think that's valid as long as it's not your first instinct all the time.

[@damyth2687]

In general I agree with this video coming purely from a PVP enjoyed perspective. This can also apply to PVE, but of course this depends on the player. If the player intends to stay on the server, red sea can discourage future attacks as it will be a waste of time to chase the same boat a 2nd time (hopefully at least, some people love denying PVE progress, but maybe). Ever since watching your vids, I got more interested in PVP and the tips and tricks you offer. But ship in red sea is not just about the player themselves (though it probably mainly is), but rather it could discourage other players from wasting their time on killing them.

[@johnathantestimonial2921]

I dont understand how you think that me knowing im going to lose a fight will "make the anxiety go away". So you're saying if I've just sunk a few good hours of my time into this game and now I'm guaranteed to lose it all because I got targeted by PvPers, you expect me to just suck up the fact that my whole play session amounts to nothing? No, that makes it worse because I'm pissed that I just wasted all the time in my day. Hell, tarkov isnt even as bad as this, because at the absolute maximum I will spend around an hour invested into a single thing, and commonly only need a short time investment of 10-30 minutes to possibly have all of my valuables ripped away from me compared to hours of loot grinding. No, its the fact that that I literally don't have the time or interest to sink into learning all of the intricate pvp quirks that this game has when I barely have the time to use those skills and keep them polished compared to Chadbeard who can literally sit on my ship for a half hour to pull a mega keg out of his ass and sink us right next to an outpost. Denying them my hours of progress is literally the only solace I could have once I realized I just got half my day wasted. Finally, I do not believe your promise of me being able to learn something from every fight.

[@herskind1364]

Your problem is honestly just that you take it way too personally. Its a game bro. A reaper ship wont look at you specifically and say "oh no he is special, we wont sink him because he used a long time to get that loot". Other players is an obstacle in the game. Just like skelly ships is an obstacle and the kraken or meg is an obstacle. Yes loosing your loot is annoying, but it doesnt make the pvp'ers bad people in any way. But if the reward is the only thing you care abt in this game, its probably not the game for you man. You should enjoy the actual content of the game. Loosing your loot honestly shouldnt feel like time wasted because if you actually liked the game you would have enjoyed the time you actually used while collecting this loot. If anything id prolly say the pvp'ers deserve that progress more then you cause theyre actually enjoying the game while playing it. It shouldnt feel like a chore, but the way youre describing it, it most certainly seems like that is how you see the game. And lastly. If you want to learn, you will learn from pvp. If youre focused on learning you will take things to you while pvp'ing others. However if you just think abt not loosing your loot constantly, ofc you wont learn from pvp encounters. Cause that isnt your focus. Dont blame other players just because they play the game in a different way that you do. Dont take it so personally. Its a game bro. Its designed this way

[@MaskedHeroLucky]

The idea that "learning something" makes the loss not sting as much is dumb, I just spent 3 hours sailing around with a friend just trying to have a good time when we got chased down by some sweaty pvp'ers and lost everything. I'd feel WAY better in the knowledge that the pricks didn't get anything out of it. Besides, I don't WANT to pvp, I have no desire to get better at it. If I had it my way there'd be a pve server where offensive stuff from other players has no effect on player ships.

[@gtkng89]

If you're on a solo sloop and you run into a 4 man, there's nothing to "learn" in that combat engagement. Don't give sweats the satisfaction of your loot.

[@BlueViper8907]

I did manage to lure a ship into the Shores of Gold area when I had the Shroudbreaker equipped. I didn't have much but just wanted to turn it what I had. For a moment I thought they had a checkpoint but shortly after they sank. I managed to turn it in. Just couldn't believe it worked.

[@abhinabakar]

The sad part is the ones who run to the Red sea won't see this video

[@renwilson7084]

He posted it to reddit and you should ABSOLUTELY check out the comments. A lot of PvE running lords on reddit. Lol

[@hitmewithmusic18]

@@renwilson7084 I had to unsub to that reddit I couldn't take the PvE bs anymore lol also all the new players on that sub that post pictures of their amazing haul of an entire 2 gems and a marauder chest

[@HonestGhost21]

I have run in to the red sea but it was not to commit suicide by any means. We had a ton of planks (close to 300) but no ammo left. We knew the chasing ship was in essentially the opposite scenario. They were stupid enought to follow and we got ourselves som sick loot.

[@rendy5092]

We where fighting another ship the other day, we had no loot and they knew. They shot me and my friend off the ship but kept spawncamping us. We tried to get back about 10 times and asked the guys to let us live so we could battle again but they kept spawncamping. Tbh, that made me quit. They were 4 and we 2, the were continuously lunging the deck with two of them so when we would spawn we would immediately be pushed off. We just didn’t understand what the fun for them was in this. In hindsight, maybe we could have kept trying but this was too annoying..

[@MoustachioFurioso83]

In situations like these, when you have nothing to lose, keep getting spawn camped and are just not having fun, you should consider scuttling your ship, and maybe leaving the server for another. It can save you a lot of time and frustration.

[@flashburn9618]

What's fun for them is you asking for your life. Don't ask. Just leave

[@Azerkeux]

It's like people who will keg/burn/sink ships they join in Open Crew.. there is a lot of 'Griefing' that goes on in this game, comes down to the community though a lot of new players now and a lot of rage is coming with them

[@rendy5092]

@@MoustachioFurioso83 True, but we where done playing anyway. Don’t get me wrong, we love to pvp but this was boring.

[@MoustachioFurioso83]

@@rendy5092 I wasn't blaming you or anything - I too have my moments when I go "I don't want to deal with this" and just Alt+F4.

[@bioio2154]

As a very seasoned player, I’ve only ran into the Red Sea to sink my loot once. That time was when the literal whole entire server was chasing me and my m8. Fighting would have been my first option, but we only had 27 cannonballs and no chain shots (due to fighting and sinking them before). So seeing as the fight was impossible to win, we decided to not be the most fun pirates to deal with and headed into the Red Sea so they’ll never get the singular sapphire mermaid gem we had.

[@unrelentingpest]

Reported.

[@4sythdude549]

oof, I have like less than 10 hours and I've already found two, they arent that valuable, why they chasing you for something so silly?

[@bioio2154]

@@4sythdude549 wasn’t really for the loot. They mainly chased us out for revenge after we sunk their server alliance. We already sold all our loot (but the mermaid gem) when they reached us, and we tried to fight them off again. But our supplies dwindled (then refer back to my original post)

[@robyourchez]

@@unrelentingpest for what?

[@MajorNotebook]

I had Red Sea runners use the shores of gold tale to escape and they just sat there till I left

[@kendallmiller9135]

One time when me and some friends were doing the shores of gold tall tale we grabbed the reapers chest before hand with the intent of selling it after, well one of us died at the shores of gold and they heard someone on the ferry say "how the fuck did they get it out that far?", we didn't realize what they meant at first since we never saw anyone before going to the shores, but when we got back to the ship I said "oh shit guys we still have the reapers!"

[@Deathstrider]

See that's really pathetic. They aren't getting any better from just running.

[@tyrantteeth2654]

@@Deathstrider It's hilarious though. People get so mad lmao

[@KopperNeoman]

That's not red sea running, that's retreating to the shores of gold. Not your fault they can't chase you.

[@kendallmiller9135]

@@KopperNeoman all you have to do is start and stop the tall tale and when people are running put it up and suddenly you can chase them

[@DJ_Stroodle]

Only ended up in the red sea once, when I went AFK for a few minutes. When I sat back down and realized what was happening, I was very confused until I looked at my map and saw where I was. Seems like a cowards way out honestly. I suck, repeat, SUCK, at PVP in this game, but would still rather fight for what I have versus choosing to sink my hard work. The only time I've ever scuttled a ship from the ferry was once when I was getting merced hard by a galleon crew, while I solo slooped and didn't have anything on board at all. I knew I couldn't win, so I forfeited and still even regret doing that.

[@SantaCruzSoulSurfer]

When it comes to XBOX vs PC PVP, there is no “getting better” console players lost before the engagement started... Sometimes Red scuttling and not giving PC players a Athena treasure hoard reward for their efforts is the better option...

[@harms123]

But why not just give them the loot then? Unless they're toxic you might aswell try and get away or just scuttle.

[@harms123]

@@pyerack I think that choosing the lose lose scenario and only gaining the satisfaction of not giving them the loot is childish.

[@grdead9964]

@@harms123 Someone salty over here :)

[@jarodberndt7815]

I myself have threatened to go into the red sea before, however it's only been during a very specific scenario, and that of my own crew doing a world event, and seeing another crew join the server and sit at an outpost waiting for the event to be done. These instances the other crew also didn't try to make it look like they came to the server to do anything else, as they kept default cosmetics. I feel server hopping exclusively to steal world event loot is arguably as annoying, if not more annoying a strategy, and I myself justify red sea sinking in that specific scenario. If I know a crew has at least been on the server and done something on their own accord, I'll fight them all day though.

[@grantflippin7808]

Counter point: run the enemy ship into the red sea.

[@sugarslice]

Sometimes it’s not even about not being good at PVP. Some people just don’t like PVP separate from their skills. I can hold my own in PVP, I just don’t like doing it.

[@nominal9036]

Well if you don't like PvP of a pvpve game you're not really allowed to get mad if you get sunk. But if you are humble when sinking, then there is no problem

[@sugarslice]

The video assumes that people who don’t like PVP, don’t like it because they’re not good at it. That’s not always the case. Like I said, I’ve held my own plenty of times and protected my ship from being sunk by other players. I just don’t like it. It’s annoying and not fun for me.

[@nominal9036]

@@sugarslice Well the game doesn't really assume anything, the players do. But still, unfortunately this game was made for both Pvp and PvE. And PvP is not optional, but PvE is optional. That's just the way it is.

[@sugarslice]

I said the VIDEO assumes that people who don’t like PVP, don’t like it because they’re not good at it. Not the game. PVP (in a sense) is optional. Hence the Red Sea. I don’t want to battle with other players so when they come, I just go to the Red Sea. If I don’t have any loot on board, I scuttle.

[@nominal9036]

@@sugarslice Well I don't really understand you... You claim that you are good enough to fight and win, so why red sea? You literally can get more loot and not lose your own

[@reposter6434]

Anyone else find this game extremely addictive?

[@kyore789]

Use this mindset for everything even in life. I use it to get better at Tekken 8 and Dark and darker currently.

[@Mioxitty]

It makes me so sad that he thinks 200 ping is bad when my normal ping is 220 and I would be over the top happy with 190 ping .

[@newfound8082]

Bruh when my ping goes over 70 I can barely play

[@ricardo1405]

I get 200 and its cancer

[@ricardo1405]

Sometimea on 1k ping i just have to let ur crewm8s do the work tillbit gets better

[@pkdsince05]

yeah in nz my normal ping is 285

[@noahblevins9569]

@@newfound8082 I frequently get upwards of 150 on SoT.

[@jedrzejburchard3619]

6:00 is it good idea to first take water in your bucket or after a repair?

[@twoface2001]

I’d probably only run to the red sea if the enemy crew is extra toxic/salty

[@Koptland]

All the more reason to fight them

[@simonnachreiner8380]

@Cort Hill Fighting a 4v1 to be called a slurs for two hours is only so satisfying when one can simply sink and server hop and do what you planned on doing.

[@domgazy592]

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT as an experienced pl (and still bad at pvp) great video especially in regards to practice and getting better

[@Thywillbedonepodcast19]

Absolutely love this, thank you. Me and my friends stack loot and then go pvp. That’s the most fun about it. It is very uncommon for us to lose, but if we do, they earned the loot. We try to encourage PvP :)

[@suyala5855]

I play since 4 months and trained so hard , and when i couldnt play i watched videos to get better, now i am surely able to get you an even battle

[@nohrjinn]

I'm pretty new to the game. During my fist pvp encounter, I tried to fight back and got steamrolled, obviously. I've got frustrated and whatnot. But after playing and losing some more, something just clicked inside my head, and decided, that next time I won't try to win, but set a clear goal. Stay afloat as long as I could. The next encounter was an almost 3/4 hour long chase through the whole map, and I relentlessly held my ground. I've tried some tactics for evasion, and learned a lot, and despite my ship sank at the end, I still consider this as one of my biggest triumphs. This was the point I started to enjoy the game. I'm still s**t at pvp, but at least I will make you work for your loot.

[@captain1432]

I didn't even know the Read Sea, yet. Some people invested a lot of time into gathering loot and don't care about abstract knowledge-gain by getting shit on and losing it all. I can fully comprehend the motivation to sacrifice your loot if that means that your chasers won't get it either. If you can't beat them in a fight, that's the ONLY way to gain a "victory" over them. You can't compare this to Blurbs' mindset; while honorable, it isn't applicable to casual players. Blurbs doesn't want to level up a faction in order to unlock content of the game, nor does he really need any more cosmetics (which are essential for feeling comfortable with the game for some people, myself included).

[@herskind1364]

you dont level up your faction tho and get more cosmetics by steering it all to the red sea. If youre in a fight and have loot. the only way to actually level up your faction and get money is by winning that fight and selling after. Or dropshipping around outposts while running. Going to the red sea is literally a loose - loose. It satisfies no one

[@naturtalentofficial]

Im totally fine with loose - loose as long as there is no win - loose. I know its not part of the game, but it makes me really happy, if ppl. who only want PVP and nothing else, chasing me for a hour and then not getting anything. you can learn the game in between. and going for the red sea should only be a PLAN B. but let them suckers know, that their time will be as wasted as mine.

[@CenKyne]

Recently had a decent amount of treasure and couldn't shake our enemies. Our evading let us pull a trap play. If your a sloop look to navigate between a corridor and if your enemy enters it, sails up, turn sharp 90 and lock them in. If it's a galleon they might not be able to unjam themselves and their only option is to take the ram disadvantage where you get to open fire and they cannot use any cannons. Our enemy was a brig and brigs get hurt the worst in corridor traps due to having less hull to gun proportionally

[@rushingtide1710]

I'm a part of a red sea running/shores of gold running crew because most of the friends I play with don't like fighting at all because of personal preferences and REALLY genuinely toxic encounters. I can't change their minds but I like playing with my friends.

[@michealthomas4331]

I like to keep fireballs in my cannons. After I fire those off, I go chain shot, and when they try to fix the masts, I use a blunder bomb or two, then back to the fire bombs. 😁

[@mathews2774]

The only time i run to the red sea is when i have the shroudbreaker lmao its funny to watch them try to get to you while you just sit there

[@Oneproplayer]

I’ve only done this once. I was a solo sloop, and just joined, so I had no loot or supplies. A galleon was chasing me, and after fighting them for over 25+ min, including multiple boarding attempts, I got bored and tried to run. They wouldn’t stop chasing me. So I just ran to the Red Sea, we both sink, and I swapped servers.

[@caioleite5579]

A good tip that really worked for me is practicing in arena mode. When I started playing the game I used to get very frustrated because I would lose every single pvp situation I got into, thus lose all loot I had. So I decided to practice in arena, because oh well, there is no loot to lose there if you sink, so it is way less frustrating. Plus, you are constantly battling other crews, so you have way more oportunites to get good on pvp than on adventure mode. It worked very well to me, now on adventure mode if I find myself in a pvp situation, I win more times than I lose

[@SashaMasonVR]

The only time that I have red sea'd my treasure was when we only had loot from a single location and the Brig crew that was chasing us was toxic (Throwing insults at us when they tried to board, telling us how we're all going to be so dead ect) Generally speaking I completely agree with what you're saying, though in case of a toxic crew that would love to just keep rubbing it in how much better they are and how bad we are, I don't feel like fighting them. I've met so many good people in this game who are either just straight up friendly or fight us without taking it to a personal level by throwing slurs at us on first encounter that my only goal was to waste as much of their time as possible. I don't mind fights, but fighting toxic crews isn't fun and I usually just aim to be as annoying as I can to them.

[@TheReapersgaze]

Counter point: Sink all of your loot in the red sea, then resupply and get incrementally better by engaging with your hunter with no loot on your ship. This has the added benefit of helping your opponents get incrementally better as well.

[@EaszyInitials]

?? 🤡🤡💀

[@qunqo]

the only time I have ran to the red sea was when I first started the game, I was running away from a ship and had no idea about the red sea

[@frenchfrieguy9370]

Valid and I never thought of it from that perspective. Then again, most people I meet in see of thieves like to scream insults and slurs during combat. Then they throw out the "gg" wich I don't think is a compliment anymore but more of an instigator. still rather sail into the red zone or blow up my own ship than deal with the toxicity and hate of the player base.