Don't Starve Together Character Guide: Woodie [REWORKED]

[@TheBeard777]

Out later than I would've liked folks but with the update going live in the middle of the afternoon I had to return home from work to get TO WORK! Thankfully, Woodie's refresh here is fairly straightforward and I believe I was able to cover most everything! Let me know if I missed anything significant! Enjoy the "new" Woodie everyone! OH, and expect some discussion on the new, Return of Them, content too soon!

[@wilsonpercivalhiggsbury4934]

I feel the same way about the update

[@greenguy6964]

The were forms also have custom dances :d

[@TheBeard777]

I saw the dances Green Guy, not something worth mentioning. Plus, better to leave SOME things for others to see themselves! :D We don't want to ruin the player experience!

[@bluepufferfish916]

Hey, I actually found a way to make the moose form really good (if you have friends that is) When woodie eats a food with the garlic spice with his moose form, he technically has 106% defense and is invincible. (Yes I did test this it’s amazing) So though it really just highlight how great Warly is at support, the moose can actually be decent if you need a tank

[@chansaw7374]

@@bluepufferfish916 imagine moose high on garlic. Honey crystals and pepper flakes

[@LeagueofFoxYT]

Make the beaver drain rate 1/2, make the goose jump/swim and a tad faster, make moose charge pack a bigger punch, and hits 60+- and reset health. And it would be perfect (ish)

[@TheBeard777]

Were-Goose should be able to glide across short gaps, Were-Beaver should be able to swim (duh), and Were-Moose should be able to swim as well (not as much) and deal more damage when charging.

[@zaptrap4802]

just a stupid question. if goose could swim, what would happen when you transform back to woodie while in the water?

[@jazzydrawz3792]

@@TheBeard777 sounds like a good idea.

[@penchingan]

The goose should be able to carry the marble pieces, I mean, the update changes said "Focus on locomotive", so, the heck not?

[@TheBeard777]

Zap, Swimming should halt the timer cause we aren't looking for us to be able to perform actions on the water while within these forms, we just want to FEEL special about being able to make it to the Lunar Island without boats! That alone would make Woodie feels very unique!

[@graymanplays7096]

Reworked Woodie is like real Canadians. I would know. Edit: Just yesterday I turned into a moose.

[@TheBeard777]

0_o Can you teach me, a mere American Pleb, this power?

[@dr.uselessYIIK]

@@TheBeard777 I'm afraid this power will never be ours...

[@PretzlcoatlTheFirst]

I turned into a goose 2 days ago

[@theblackoutexplorer2658]

The Beard 777 we shall evolve and gain the power to turn into Eagles instead

[@scottdparrott]

Wow I'm English and all we get is the need for tea

[@jackmehoff4254]

As a Canadian I can say that Woodie hasn't mastered his goose form, But I guess that would make bosses more like rabbits so I forgive you Klei. Also ironic that this was released when geese began migration.

[@werewolfdragon4740]

I think the fact that it was released on a full moon is a bit more ironic mate.

[@leirawhitehart1236]

Maybe it has to do with his bird phobia.

[@Ofxzh]

werewolfdragon In Tf2 there is a full moon event every so often Today was that

[@bluboomb]

Coincidence? Hardly So!

[@jackmehoff4254]

When you think about it Woodie is "spreading his wings" with his transformations

[@ArtAngelMouse]

So they changed the fun parts of Woodie and added two lackluster wereforms, and also made him starve after changing? :(

[@TheBeard777]

Yup, that about sums it up.

[@onnikemppi368]

Character specific ability makes you starve in a game called dont starve together

[@leonardolopes6093]

starve together

[@J_fellow]

If u have low hunger turn in to the goose and run in a circle

[@lukeconnellan9008]

@@J_fellow that doesn't make it rise though, does it?

[@Yambit]

Yikes the concept is really cool but the execution was poor.

[@TheBeard777]

Agreed, just TINY little additions and attention were needed to completely swing my initial opinions but sadly - knowing Klei for what Klei is - we are stuck with this Woodie for the foreseeable future... OR, this is finally the time where Klei listens and fixes things! We shall see!

[@jazzydrawz3792]

Woodie always gets the short straw :(.

[@pilipolvoron2699]

I'm no dev, but if I were to change something, I would change the cost of transformation from existing, to trying be one at all. You can longer transform via monster meat, and the idols to transform into moose/goose are now expensive, requiring a down feather and barger tuft to craft (maybe too expensive, but you get what I'm saying). You still have easy access to Werebeaver, though. Then: since Weremoose/goose is so expensive, they can now be very powerful. Goose has +100% speed and can cross gaps. He can still carry stuff, but not use them. Goose has 75 health, but when he transforms back into Woodie, he will have the health he had before. Moose's attack speed is now the same as the regular DST characters and he keeps his -10% speed. He has 95% resist and his charge does 100 dmg or something. Goose and Moose no longer drain hunger and can you can willingly change back. I'm just spouting nonsense at this point, but you get what I'm trying to say.

[@KitsukiiPlays]

Pili Polvoron I really like your idea! Let me just add another point to it Keep the rework as it is now, including the monster meat and moon transformation, but add a “mighty form”. If you add the badger fur and the feather to their respective totem, you get the powerful additions you mentioned~

[@chansaw7374]

@@pilipolvoron2699 and let me also say i think there should be tiers of totems. One that lets you have the normal were meter. One that had one thats double the amount of time and one that triples the time. Goose totem would require 3 down feathers 5 seeds and 2 drumsticks. Moose would be 5 beefalo fur 1 beefalo horn and 10 grass. Beaver would be 3 living logs 5 normal logs and 8 twigs. Those totems give a were meter with 500 durability. It drains the same and transforming costs half hunger each. In addition to all you said they could do

[@TheRagnus]

And the worse part is WereWilba is still essentially a significantly better version of Woody's wereforms... Especially since WereWilba literally gets the exact same benefits as all three of Woody's wereforms. Faster movement speed, increased damage, insane health regen, etc. Literally does the exact same damage as WereMoose, exact same speed as WereGoose, exact same utility as WereBeaver, the only thing she doesn't have is the innate 75% damage resistance. Right now, Woody seems less like his own character, and more like Wilba Lite, which is ironic considering Woody was created before Wilba.

[@radmanstan413]

This is a really good direction on where their going with woodie but I think the were modes need a decrease in drainage. I also feel the goose and the moose modes need a buff. Were beaver is good for getting tons of trees knocked down so I’m fine with it.

[@unfazedo]

Tbh weremoose is just so slow to me.

[@sakuralilybow]

the pinecone sanity helped me a lot as woodie. I feel like woodie feels less like a lumberjack now. especially since we can't even eat wood anymore

[@miguelabreu2975]

loged in just to put a like on this. I feel the new transformations are very interesting, the moose seems amazing to farm spiders, but other than that, it feels a nerf in every way, way too fast drainage, the 0 hunger absolutely makes no sense (make it 30 maybe ?), and not so sure about the health penalty of 30, which is more than a healing salve also he not getting sanity from pinecones is really sad, like you said: he doesn't feel like a lumberjack anymore and that sucks

[@TheBeard777]

He is now better than even at being a wood slave while also having no use for any of his other abilities. That about sums up this update, all the changes in the world yet nothing has changed at all.

[@zaptrap4802]

@@TheBeard777 i feel like this could be a decent change. the hunger meter still shows up in the wereforms, and drains at about double speed.

[@zaptrap4802]

it just rewards having an empty stomach at all times, and always carrying around meatballs

[@arturintete2461]

But what about his backstory... this worries me about the future animations. Meh, the animations are still amazing, so I’ll take it!

[@zaptrap4802]

yes, plz backstory

[@TheBeard777]

We've talked his backstory in the original character guide for him. As for the recent additions from the new animation... well... as you know there weren't any and that kinda just adds insult to injury for this update...

[@zaptrap4802]

@@TheBeard777 ):

[@zaptrap4802]

i feel like your hunger shouldn't be set to 0, that is kinda dumb

[@chansaw7374]

I want the tree guard head from the animation as a figure sketch. Or maybe a rare drop to have at base as decor

[@zaptrap4802]

figure sketch only woodie can make that uses living log. holy crap, your a genius!

[@heek8964]

special drop you get for triggering a treegaurd, activating all three forms, and then killing it with only lucy. It'd still be far more reasonable and make far more sense than misery toadstool.

[@chansaw7374]

@@heek8964 that might take a toll on your health and sanity and DEFINITELY hunger. So make it a bit easier. Killing a treeguard with only lucy.

[@NefashusLP]

Adding to your idea: Placing a treaguard head near trees could increase/decrease the spawn rate of treeguards upon chopping a tree

[@chansaw7374]

@@NefashusLP i like it. Maybe wormwood can plant them to grow a treeguard of specific tree type or you get a totally normal tree from it? Sounds neat

[@tobiasb.2823]

I liked the old Woodie way more. Now you need to pay to get your Hunger Bar set to 0 for a small buff. Also you immidiately loose health. Wow. At least his chops got more effective but I liked the old mechanic

[@ineedabreak6063]

Tobias B. He got buffed

[@casualbird7671]

@@ineedabreak6063 no?

[@ineedabreak6063]

Casual Bird Yes.

[@casualbird7671]

@@ineedabreak6063 I'm not seeing this as a mutual improvement over his previous behavior.

[@ineedabreak6063]

Casual Bird ok

[@Trash-bd1cb]

I lost my main because of this update hope they fix him

[@megajackyboy10]

same

[@unfazedo]

I didn't know a moose is slower than a turtle.

[@Its_Jimmy_Time]

Unfazed They’re not... I think.. idk but they taste good

[@CriminalGamingHimself]

"Don't go out there swinging your stick without proper protection, kids!" Thanks Beard

[@tsume9207]

I think Were-Moose should either reset your health upon transforming or have a bit more health while transformed maybe 200 i guess, even with ~80% dmg resistance you'll still be getting damaged a good amount given that you can't kite that well

[@edinaldoc1]

There's also the fact you literally can't heal during the transformation (except with Wortox)

[@arnfarstad8319]

'' But honestly I see this as an absolute win '' (laughs in hulk)

[@honeyshuckle9742]

Beard: "It's just for me, the novelty is already fading" Lucy: "I resent that!" I admit, I chuckled.

[@dano7782]

The new forms was good but their abilities were limited and that's a shame especially for the goose one

[@TheBeard777]

They have the right idea just poor execution.

[@seanshroom]

I mean real problem of moose is that although it is tank, it gets 30 dmg when transformed In other words, it fights with disadvantage. Why? At least heal back or something

[@TheBeard777]

It is already FAR better to just remain a normal Woodie for combat, especially when a simple Dark Sword and Wood Armor is enough TO BE BETTER than the Moose form regardless.

[@oomphhfreak]

You forgot to mention that you can use backpack and transform without dropping it but you do with everything in your hand slot or armor or helmet including walking cane... Good luck searching for it as goose if someone picked it up xD

[@Ashmaneena]

I was waiting for this video! Thanks Beard!

[@zaptrap4802]

same

[@quagnam438]

The most great thing they can do is they should do a seperate bar like the log meter for beaverness.Beaver form is fine as it is at what it does,Goose form should be on par with a walking cane and should be able to ruin rush like jumping from tight distances,Moose needs to stun as of like dropping enemies on the ground.And as ı said if the beaverness meter is seperate the rework's rework would be great

[@mynamekanye240]

Idk about you, Beard, but I think the rework is pretty okay and creative. It is bad, yes, but some small tweaks are all that's needed to make it better. Maybe those ideas would be good: Werebeaver: - Slightly decrease the drain rate of the were-meter when not chopping trees. - Increase damage against Tree Guards while in werebeaver form. - Pause the drain rate of the were-meter for 3 seconds after hitting or being hit by a Tree Guard in werebeaver form (so he is actually the best living log farmer in the game). - Turning back into Woodie leaves you with 10 points of hunger. Weregoose: - Run a little faster. - Moose/Goose won't be hostile toward you while in weregoose form. (family gathering ?) - Turning back into Woodie leaves you with 10 points of hunger. Weremoose: - Increase the charge damage based on distance traveled. - Make it so the charge stuns small enemies for 2 seconds, medium sized enemies for 1 second and giants for half a second. - Charge only stuns you for half a second and no longer stuns you when turning into Woodie. - Turning back into Woodie leaves you with 10 points of hunger. - Turning back into Woodie gives back 50% of the health points the weremoose lost during the transformation.

[@TheBeard777]

Never said it was overly bad or not imaginative, I said it say abundant change while also not changing a darn thing! :D Enjoy it all you want but fundamentally he is a mess right now and with how you broke it down above you agree.

[@taco3v24]

3:19 "dont go out there swinging your stick without proper protection" Thanks beard

[@TheRagnus]

The concept would have been a bit good... if it weren't for the fact that WereWilba literally has the advantages of all three forms simultaneously for the price of one... minus the damage resistance

[@TheBeard777]

Fair point friend, you're totally right.

[@pepeknamornik2955]

"Dont go out there swinging your stick, without protection kids!"

[@Bleub0x]

As a Canadian I can confirm that we are able to transform into Moose,Beavers and geese

[@redbaron2193]

Woodie mains, RISE UP!

[@zaptrap4802]

eh

[@Rollxxxx]

On my last game I choose Woddie and I was doing really good (cause its easy to keep him ok) but with this upgrade they ruin my game haha I will have to find out new ways to get my sanity and hunger now that the transformation drain to 0 each time!

[@geld1gelld422]

Hust hust Wendy mains hust hust

[@mikehu2451]

can't. Woddie is as weak as your profile pic now.

[@l.a.m.b.nugget9360]

Not really my friend is a Woodie main and he thinks the update is weak, and it clearly needs some tweaks. Also, the hunger drain is abslutetely horrible.

[@mrnoblemonkey8401]

I loved woodie knowing all to well it needed a reworking and it feels like he is kinda worse now

[@heavy_logic]

:( My favorite character just lost my favorite thing about him. The +5 sanity from planting trees.

[@aeromatrix5070]

TheBeard777: complains about having no tree monsters spawning Also TheBeard777: shows himself chopping small birchnut trees during spring

[@logans.7932]

Wow, they took a joke character and somehow made him even worse.

[@stonksrgud7645]

I like the single player version better

[@triste4-21]

I could see the moose charge being OP for farming hordes like splemonkeys.

[@orionrobinette2031]

Thanks for the info beard and having fun with it as always! Really enjoy your stuff dude.

[@TheBeard777]

Tried to be as enthusiastic as I could even though I wasn't too into the refresh myself! :D

[@SeizaP]

Klei updated Woodie yet again immediately after his release, which thankfully, fixes a lot of these issues: -Weregoose can now walk on water. (Be warned that Woodie will drown immediately if he reverts to human form over water). -Minor increase to Werebeaver’s digging and mining strength. -Increased Weremoose’s damage reduction to 90%. -All of Woodie’s were-forms can now last up to half a day. -Increased the grace period between actions before Were-meter starts speeding up. -Reduced food stat penalties for Woodie’s consumable Idols (now equivalent to eating a single Monster Meat). -Further reduced sanity drain while in were-form. -Fixed Woodie’s missing mullet when chopping.

[@TheBeard777]

"Fixes" is a funny word to use but yes, things have took a step in the proper direction! Hotfix video is uploading as we speak!

[@Dalsteve]

The Beard 777 xdd

[@Asphyxiety]

As a guy who was literally about to main Woodie, I'm upset about his changes. I struggled with Woodie, yeah, I freaked out and panicked when he turned into a werebeaver, I also played with another player for a while because I was too scared to chop trees. But those are things I will miss and were all but murdered in this update. C'mon Klei ;-;

[@zenixkiryu]

Wow, I kinda dislike this rework, the old beaver form already did decent damage, gave nice speed and was great for harvests. Not to mention no more sanity from tree planting is trash. Each form in this rework is pretty bad and with no way to extend your time they're even more useless. What a shame, they made my boi wack.

[@mindlessdarklings5640]

Although most of this is true 22 damage is pretty trash for were beaver damage.

[@mr_unsubscribe]

they made an unviable character to something I can't even enjoy playing now tbh

[@weed7183]

Were-moose can be used as a tank in team fight. Aggro the boss while others attack range or melee, but yeah woodie is basically dead meat now

[@tysonroser4835]

Idea: Woodie's transformations have a different health pool, and when they die Woodie would revert. This would be on top of his were-meter.

[@JRGCT]

It doesn't seem that bad for me because the idols are sooooo easy to obtain that one can just simply create some of each for diferents purposes like early exploring with the goose or an early boost damage with the moose, so I just think that might sound annoying to come back from the transformation with 0 hunger but isn't even that bad because the food early it's something that isn't that rare, just walk around grass biome and then grab carrots and berries, this is my opinion like a pseudo-newbbie, but I just wanted to share my point of view about the rework. It was great? No It was bad? No It's just another experience? Yes, and probably an enjoyable one :)

[@edinaldoc1]

The idols are easy to obtain, but to be honest, seeing how limited the transformations are and the huge drawbacks that come with them, even if they were free it still wouldn't be worth it And getting hunger to 0 is a huge problem, especially if you come out of the Moose form which is supposed to be used in combat You instantly lose health and even if you have food with you, you still get some damage, and in tight situations that might be the diference between being alive or dead

[@blorg7174]

5:29 the issue you may be running into is that the 50% chance is probably 50% more than the current percent. So, let's say the percent chance to spawn a treeguard is normally 10%, woodie cutting a tree down with lucy gives it a 15% chance.

[@sergredo3048]

sooo here's some ideas,cause why not. 1-Were Beaver: it's a beaver,why wouldn't it be able to swim? that would also make woodie a valid explorer to find the lunar moon,of course you would need a boat with you so you could get in a solid place to transform back and not drwon. 2-Were Goose: give it the ability to fly over some distances and increase the speed so it is actually worth it. 3-Were Moose: it either needs to be tankier with health regen or a little faster so it can actually do some kiting,it should also last longer than the other forms or at least give it a smaller meter drain whille fighting. About the idols and the cost of the transformation: the idols take 30 health and 20 sanity,not to mention it drains all of your hunger meter,they should make you come back from transformation with half of the current you had (full belly 150 goes to 75) and tone down the health cost(i don't see as much problem with sanity but i guess they could lower it too). and if you finished reading all of this you get a... uh... a pine cone? yeah,that should do.

[@012egis]

The moose charge is really effective when fighting spiders they just get mowed down

[@DSpiritwolf]

Idk to me, it kind of sounds like Woodie is worse than before... Idk taking out the tree planting sanity gain and the 0 hunger out of transformation just doesn't sit with me right

[@TheBeard777]

The more I think and talk about it the more I dislike it... 0_o Also, the sanity thing really irks me too. As I say in this video it just seems like Klei needed to FORCE a "challenge" and "downside" over making a calculated adjustment.

[@zaptrap4802]

the only reason that the 5 sanity per pinecone even existed was because so you can get your sanity back after a transformation. i have absolutely no idea why they removed this

[@ignasvaranavicius4279]

Just have some food in your invetory. The game is called dont starve lmao

[@DSpiritwolf]

Ignas Varanavičius yeah but like, are the transformations really worth waiting meals on especially after having to craft items just to use the transformations?? Also what if you get stick with goose on a full moon and have no food on you when it happens. If you're left with really low HP after a fight with the moose?

[@ignasvaranavicius4279]

@@DSpiritwolf fair enough

[@createdbykings]

They destroyed my main to a useless pile of garbage

[@TheBeard777]

Well, Werebeaver is still pretty good but the rest of them... I don't know what happened to be honest...

[@fogle9431]

@Trvrr Zbsky pine cones arent hard to get. And with a character revolving around trees, his sanity management is only beat by maxwell imo

[@fogle9431]

Was* 😢

[@svenbjorn6779]

@Trvrr Zbsky He was my #1 pick because maintaining his sanity was relatively easy as long as you were cutting trees -- your main gimmick. The pinecone nerf seems extremely harsh, and the instant starvation after transforming? Now that's harsh.

[@roastingghosts1302]

I feel like they should bring back the log meter, but perhaps with a twist to incorporate the new forms: You’d start with your meter in Werebeaver mode and you’d use the idols to change between which form the meter would be set to. Hell, maybe with each form it changes the resource you need to consume to stop the change, but keeps them a tree resource (thus keeping Woodies need to chop trees: Logs for werebeaver, pinecones for goose/which you can also choose to instead plant for sanity, and twigs for the moose form.) You could simply play as normal woodie if you want to or even dabble in the forms.

[@uwantchidori8861]

I actually play older version of dont starve and woody does turn and i just loved him but then i actually thought that gosh he is broken so i searched and find this out😂

[@danwithaplan3742]

The moose form needs either normal movement speed or a little more defense and be able to "graze" on plants to heal, while the goose should have a glide or jump ability that works like teleport moves and saps meter while airborne (if meter hits 0 midair, you stay a goose till you land)

[@GoronTico]

The goose should be able to jump and glide for extra speed, and for going over small cliffs. That would reinforce the feeling of speed in the goose form. The moose should destroy the first resource it hits and damage half the second it hits. The distance of the charge should influence both damage to resources and to creatures. Your base form should only take half damage from all damage done in the moose form, that would reinforce the feeling of combat.

[@LuciferImperia]

Imo his idols could be just a regular items insead of pseudo food item, like beaver could be basic and goose and moose could be craftable from boss items (goosemoose and bearger for example), also stats could be changed, like in new mod that removes that insane hunger drain and bring back concept of extending wereforms time by specific actions (fight for moose, choping for beaver and running for goose) with that he wold be more fun to play and better on later stages of the game.

[@lukeconnellan9008]

You should be able to do something to revert back early rather than having to deal with the whole starving thing. That, and there needs to be a way to make the were-meter rise a bit so you actually have more time to use the new forms

[@coolloser85]

I make a lumber farm with pigs as the workers. Once you get the trees to level 3 pay the pigs to chop them down. If you plant enough trees and have enough pigs to chop down hella trees you'll almost always get a tree guardian. They increase in spawn too. I got big ones and small ones to spawn. 3 spawn at the same time the more you do it. I didn't even know it was hard to get living wood.

[@imrandom4789]

To be honest Woodie sounds like a character made for impatient players the goose form makes you move fast and i guess that can also be useful for exploring and then there is the tree breaking speed but you could also just get some pigs to help you out but in the end there's not much other reason other than being an impatient player

[@descobar9328]

Woody can now run across water in his goose form

[@TheBeard777]

We have a follow-up video that details the fixes to him, including the Jesus goose. It came out like a day after this one so be sure to watch that for the new information.

[@fd7305]

idk what to think of this update.from a lumberjack with a were beaver curse that centers around wood(his main job),to multiple transformations around the concept of attacking and running(sure is Canadian,but doesnt fit right with my perception of his role) he should no longer be called just a lumberjack, but a general survivalist/gatherer. If i would change Woody, I would make the other 2 forms also have utility roles like the goose can have easier time getting fish from ponds or in lakes and the moose gather twice as much plant related resources ex) one grass equals 2 for moose while regular characters only gets one.

[@johnblack2527]

Dose the goose distract all monster?. Like if it was already on another player and u run by as a goose they instantly start chasing you.

[@randombricks2297]

OMG BEARD I JUST FOUND YOUR CHANNEL AGAIN I STILL REMEMBER WHEN YOU JUST GOT 1K SUBS 😌😌😌

[@unclepappleman4643]

"Don't go out there swingin' your stick without the proper protection, kids" Thanks

[@天使花環]

Edit: This comment was written around the same time the Woodie Hotfix video came out, but I still rest some of my cases The rework looks pretty sick but it'd definitely be good if they changed it up, balancing it out now that it's out. For example, in moose form, the charge would be better if it dealt twice the damage as the moose's regular attack + a percentage of the enemy's max hp (the % is higher if the enemy is a boss) and it also stuns any non-boss/shadow creature enemy, but you're only able to use it once every couple of seconds. Instead of the moose being drained hp it'd be best if he had, say 150 hunger and every hit takes away 1 hunger, while also having a 33% chance not to consume hunger. The charge however takes away 20 hunger. This way it'd be both pretty strong but because of the seconds you have to wait before using your charge (make it 5 or sth) it would feel a lot better. In addition to it, the idols should all be crafted with 4 monster meat and 6 living logs which would make Wormwood a better option with Woodie (prolly). The moose form however would be best if crafted with 6 monster meat and 8 living logs. Not much of a difference but for how good and both smart ways you could be able to use it I think it's fair. The goose should either be completely removed or made so it hovers over gaps but the moment there's ground underneath you, you fall. You cannot fall in a hole however and you can only hover as far as your vision goes. The goose should also run at a +1.25 to it's current state (I'm not sure how their percentage system works but you get it I suppose). I really hope they do something about him so he goes into a healthy while fun to play for everyone state, because on theory he sounds really fun but once you look at the numbers and what the risk of playing him is, I think you'd be better off just either not using any form but Werebeaver or not playing Woodie at all. Hopefully someone spends some time reading this and finds it helpful.

[@liczlord]

I think the moose form might be useful in huge spider nests, where is like 50 spiders. He will run through them twice and voila! Also maybe as a backup exit when you run out of light?

[@TheBeard777]

Sure, but are you REALLY going to go through the trouble of transforming just for a single purpose?! THAT is the problem, these forms are not nearly as versatile as they should be!

[@Apollo52_]

5:18 *I see this as an absolute win*

[@freya9107]

I feel like the update was a step in the right direction, they do need to change some more stuff though.

[@idehnkovash1017]

"Don't go out there swinging your stick without the proper protection, kids." - The Beard 777

[@skelly8316]

"Don't go out there swinging your stick, without the proper protection kids" - The Beard 777

[@poisonmist13]

I want to see more backstory on Wilson. I feel like with the introduction of Wagstaff that Wilson has lost his title as the inventor. He needs more backstory and maybe more abilities to make him stand out and make him less like wagstaff.

[@lorenzpacis3249]

Maybe he can partake in both magic *and* science since he already uses his beard hair for magic, which isn't very scientific. I love Wilson, so I hope they rework him too.

[@chansaw7374]

In my opinion maybe the goose should be able to fly above water. And moose walks through water on all fours for a limited time. Enough to cross short gaps.

[@TheBeard777]

I thought FOR SURE the goose would be able to at least "glide" short distances and was shocked to find otherwise. THEN, even though they show the Were-Moose IN WATER in the animation, his other forms can't navigate water either. I mean, seriously?! We have a BEAVER FORM for Pete's Sake!?! :D

[@chansaw7374]

@@TheBeard777 thats it. Were-beaver form needs to last longer and you can build dams as a beaver to make some sort of man made land or a fishing spot. That i could see possibly working out.

[@thekrojolux2165]

Here's my take. Moose should ve done 65 damage x hit with charge forcing a hit animation on anything hit to reset the attack timer ( just like how you stunlock spiders ) similar to how they show in the short he rams into the treeguard and "stuns" it. This wouldn't be op as the charge makes you go a mile away from the mob afterwards but you might use it for a team (as the game is supposedly "together") and save someone's life/ health. Goose should've had some kind of anything like wheeler dodge along with the speed. Or better yet, a "scream-taunt" that aggroes mobs onto you instead of other stuff ( Hounds sure like goose no ? DUCK HUNT ANYONE ????). which would have a ton of actual purposes. Beaver should've kept the ability to eat logs, restoring like 3 points of were meter and/or hp per log. Could've been much better just thinking about the "together" part of the game. if you actually read this all thanks for your time. shameless plug: I do don't starve videos too, just playthru for now. Sorry for shameless plug. Great vid bro

[@TheBeard777]

An agro mechanic for the Goose-Form is actually a great idea!

[@Mcmadness288]

The most useful thing about Woodie is his ability to get early resources for other players real fast, everything else is more a novelty than something to be seriously considered. But he's still my favourite character regardless.

[@erwin101]

Maybe the goose could have a higher runspeed like 1.6 or so. (This could be too op) and if you run on roads or paths the hunger/wermeter wouldn't decrease, making it easier to travel long distances. The moose could heal you by 60 hp if you transform back to balance the mentioned problems. All forms should fill your hunger by 18 or so, you need a monster meat to craft the totems.

[@TheBeard777]

The goose absolutely needs to be faster, we shouldn't even be questioning that one considering a walking cane is all you need to compete with it.

[@rokusho6667]

Yeah I agree ....all they have to do to make woodie great is allow the goose form to swim and increase the damage of his moose charge to 120 and make it unable to receive damage multipliers. Meaning each form has a specific purpose and intent. Those 2 things in themselves alone would make him a viable rework even if not a great one. Drawback is the moose form has a high damage floor but greatly limited damage ceiling and if you revert from goose form out in water you drown.

[@TheBeard777]

Agreed, they don't need BIG tweaks following this - just little things need to be added and buffed to completely change the opinions.

[@heek8964]

I think the were-moose is moreso meant for smaller enemies, like a hound wave? It would make sense since the charge hits multiple enemies, so it would have value, but if that were the intended use of it it was REALLY dumb of them to showcase the forms by fighting a treeguard, I would have also liked if lucy did actual damage to treeguards, since that's what we see in the animation, but oh well. Also wish that moose form could have armor, then maybe tanking with it would actually make sense. Last little nitpick, I really hate how the animation is just woodie doing something in the constant, it's not interesting, it tells us NOTHING AT ALL about his character or the world, I don't understand why they couldn't make it more like Willow's or Winona's.

[@Anon.Armageddon]

oooOOOOOOoooooOOOOOHHH! I don't even main woodie, but My friend does and this is great for us both!

[@luniqueful]

I wonder if those mechanics aren't mean to be used at night to enjoy night vision. So you actually can use Weregoose to go to your next day location while running at night and waste no time in the upcoming farming session. Still don't know if this is worth tho..

[@kirbyhokestar6800]

The way I see it, you need to prepare for these transformations. I LOVE the Were-Moose and it's basic attacks. You can actually take down a Deerclops by yourself if you tank a hit then run from the second one. As for the 0 hunger penalty, I just make sure I have food before I transform since Woodie holds his inventory when he transforms. And as for the Were-Goose, yeah, I agree it's a little disappointing, but at least it's a good advantage to have when you lack a Walking Cane.

[@TheBeard777]

You can tank Deerclops with fire as literally anyone and use a dark sword/wood armor combo and be better off than the Moose, always. The Moose IS NOT as good as people are making it but I think the people making it as good as it is are also not higher level players.

[@tele7932]

It would be better if the transformation's time didn't drain that much, that would fix a lot the main problem with the new Woody. As for the hunger part, wouldn't it be cool if you could decide when the transformation have to stop? The game could take your initial hunger bar and your transformation bar (At the time it stoped), and with that information make an average of the two of them and then leaving the result as your new hunger bar, that way it doesn't always go to 0 or a similar number, making it easier to search for your items or food before anything happens. That way, every Woody player would have to watch out for when they're gonna use the transformation, and the time they're spending in any of them. Of course, the transformations themselves have to be reworked before any of this. The concepts are very cool, and i like that they're thinking of new gimmicks like this but it have to be fixed.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhooddi3915]

You know? I feel like the goose form could be changed so that instead of using an idol, you do so automatically at low health. That would make it a nice "get out of dodge" and should only last about 10 seconds. Also it should be able to jump over cave gaps. As for the moose, I think at least a small damage increase for the charge and a health reset when transforming back are necessary. As for the beaver, give the beaver the ability to eat wood, and depending on how much you ate determines how much hunger you have when turning back. Also it should be able to swim. But those are just my opinions.

[@ethug280]

Seems to me like the forms are curses and you should use the idols to pick which one you transform into since you have to transform during the full moon anyways, plan ahead to make full use of the full moon curse

[@derickp2598]

Klei should make specific transformations drain sertan things like being goose should drain hunger being a beaver should drain sanity and being a mosse should drain health but only make the stats go down to 50% and they should make specific actions turn you into does forms and the idols just make you transform istenly also make the where meter drain slower

[@LilSenwolf]

I'm assuming its longer now but the moose from is great for farming spiders

[@ryanmaclean1720]

I really hoped that Lucy would be a very effective weapon against tree guards, not like a dark sword level but like a ham bat but faster, but I actually like the moose and goose, the moose is helpful for dealing with bees spiders the ant lion and the other seasonal bosses and the goose is amazing for cave exploration. Woody went from the worst character to the jack of all trades which is just another hilarious Canadian Stereotype: they’ll help you any way they can

[@4lifejeph]

I think it's cool that Klei still supports their game but this update is a little off. First, I think the goose should be able to move faster and fly short distances including over water. Secondly, the mooses attack skill is weak. The charge should be a lot more powerful and fighting with your hooves should make you tank way better. The beaver is OKish. The last thing that needs fixed are the log drain times. First, you have to spend resources on the idols, than you lose all of your hunger which depending on what you fought you could end up with low health. And your sanity also drops. So coming out of the a transformation really hurts you. Taking away the +5 sanity for pinecone planting and getting stats back up could be a pain in the butt.

[@Fledhyris]

I'm sad that they did this, because it used to be a curse - but now, apart from 1 night of full moon, he has complete control over when, and how, he transforms! And he can chop away like a maniac with no penalty. That completely breaks the spirit of the original character. Think I'll go back to playing Woodie on solo DS...

[@argothgods]

This whole game just simulates the life of Canadian woodsmen.

[@channie3169]

i don’t think 50% higher chance means +50% chance to spawn haha;; confusing I know, but if for example treeguards had a previous 5% chance (idk the real chance lol), a 50% higher chance means it increases by 2.5% chance, so now it would be 7.5% of spawning. i doubt they’d let us spawn treeguards so easily but woodie deserves the perk.

[@TheBeard777]

Yes, I know and I didn't mean for that to come across like that so sorry if it did! I was kinda just rolling with a running gag of me having terrible luck when it comes to Treeguardians NO MATTER the circumstance! :D

[@channie3169]

haha it was just to clarify in case anyone else thought this, no problem!! thanks for the very quick video :)

[@funguy398]

Buff moose defense and hp after transformation over, buff goose speed and add jump, and make it harder to transform, maybe living log and monster meat at prestidigitator magic level?

[@robmershant9491]

they should make woodie the "boss killer". like, they could make it more inconvenient to shift forms, but make the stats more comparable to the bosses like deerclops or moose goose

[@4lifejeph]

Dude I've been waiting all day for this. What the flip?

[@TheBeard777]

Would've been out earlier but duty calls...

[@4lifejeph]

@@TheBeard777 yes I understand. Luckily I run my own business from home so I have lots of freedom to do what I want when I want. What kind of duty you do? Sales, warehouse, IT?

[@DC_CREATES]

Soooo i barely got back into DS especially DST and i believe they must have tweaked woody because i personally think the moose has a lot of potential in open areas. Since the charge doesnt stop when hitting enemies, you can potentially hit multiples enemies without any hitting you back! I tried this on a spider queen and claimed victory after a full use of the moose idol. (This includes killing multiple spiders, and shadow monsters due to low sanity)

[@TheBeard777]

This is the initial rework, we have a whole other video on their second try on him.

[@corbyn3326]

Poison birchnut trees cannot spawn from chopping young birchnut trees, that's why you didn't get any.

[@alexmessi894]

No, Werebeaver now doesnt summon Treeguard and Poison Birchnut trees

[@corbyn3326]

@@alexmessi894 Dude, look at the video, he was chopping them as Woodie. He was also demonstrating how Woodie spawns more treeguards...

[@alexmessi894]

@@corbyn3326 WEREBEAVER, not Woodie

[@corbyn3326]

@@alexmessi894 How do you not understand? He was demonstrating how WOODIE spawns 50% more treeguards, which is why I left this comment.

[@corbyn3326]

Woodie has a 50% higher chance to spawn Treeguards and Poison Birchnut Trees. Werebeaver no longer spawns Treeguards and Poison Birchnut Trees Literally straight from the official Klei forum admin post talking about his rework.

[@aley3159]

Can u stack the forms like when your were beaver goes out and u have 0 hunger that you can instantly become a beaver again and again so u don't lose health?

[@crapsound]

The idea was there I agree and the execution was poor. Though it's been a long time since this vid was up. I do hope they improve on him later on. There isn't much on the transformations yet but based on what they can do here it looks like the goose is made for travel and the moose for combat. I like the idea of the goose being able to glide across gaps. I don't know about the swim. Perhaps only on shallow waters or else it would beat the purpose of sea faring. As for the moose the charge should pack more punch and deal a small AOE maybe. Something so that charging is better for mobs and punching is better for single enemies. And this form looks like it's not for kiting so maybe a small health regen would do. The health thing after transformation seems okay to me. The meters do need some tweaking and I think there should be a certain decrease in hunger instead of always reaching 0. Perhaps a flat decrease to encourage you to transform while in full hunger or close to it.

[@lukelee8212]

As a Canadian this makes me happy

[@megalo__project_0172]

*I FINALY CAN BE THE GOOOSE THAT I ALWAYS KNOW I WAS*

[@suhnnyside_up]

”Don’t go out there swinging your stick, without the proper protection, kids!”

[@kylejennings819]

These old guides should renamed as old. I watched a goose go across water yesterday

[@TheBeard777]

These old guides have already been replaced and were done so days afterwards by yours truly already. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gprSloyoh82WZsU

[@nolifye1394]

What about warly damage boost if you eat it as woody and transform into the dear can his punches do 100+ damage if so that would be OP

[@verminlordsoulberry8823]

I like how Woodie can now be a Moose or a Goose!

[@MJoodle]

As a long time Woodie main I think that this update is a very nice quality of life improvements with some new gimmicks and I honestly I have found some very nice uses for both of the new forms already,while they both sadly revolve around early game (map exploration in first autumn and early game mob killing before any decent weapons) I think that I personally will continue to play him as I've already had luck with some of the transformations in later content,all the way up to assisting teammates during a fight with bee queen by both tanking damage then healing and goosing it up to run back to base for some supplies to help people restock if they forget something...like when your Winona forgets to bring any gems for the catapults and you have to run on back for them. I have really dumb friends. I do wish however that the moose could charge over water as kind of a close land gap crosser say similar to Wortox's soul hop but with a longer animation, and I find it weird that they added the new stuff for the Turn of Tides and the Salty Dogs updates and didn't give this ability to Woodie as even in the animated short his moose form does this. Either way I'm sure there will be some tweaks in about a week but no matter what this makes Woodie stick out so much more and helps to branch out his possibilities without getting rid of what he is supposed to be the best at, log collecting, they helped what he was based on and helped him in some other area, nowhere near characters that specialize in those fields but still he has a bit more options now and if you see a Woodie in a public server you won't just be the guy who eats all the logs. TLDR: I'm an old Woodie main and I think he has been made more unique and useful for more situations.

[@TheBeard777]

Werebeaver is Werebeaver still so nothing to comment on there... Were-Goose is about speed but a simple walking cane is enough for everyone especially when it comes to choosing to become this thing for only a minute at most really for what? To have your hunger hit zero and you take unnecessary damage? It also serves zero purpose beyond basic movement mechanics which is severely underwhelming and just overlooked by Klei. Plus, no point to it following the acquisition of Lazy Deserters and telelocators. Were-Moose is NOT a tank, he's a sponge. Sponges are great until they aren't so unless you're ready to take pointless hits and move like a slug only to revert back to a WORRISOME Woodie with no hunger and low health for every time you transform then there is no point in transforming. Give me a couple wood armors or better and a dark sword and we are already better and more efficient than this transformation 10-fold. Listen, to each their own. I am not here to diminish YOUR EXPERIENCE. Play your way and enjoy it! I am all for that, but the reality of the situation is that nothing changed for the better. Nothing made the experience THAT MUCH better or unique. I was hoping to have desire to play Woodie following this update, I wanted the forms to FEEL special. They don't and I don't. I hope your fire for him continues to burn however I must be honest and say that mine are dim currently. Any novelty he was going to have it already gone in my mind and only worthwhile, unique and quite frankly quick changes will bring it back. But again, that is just me. Keep on keeping on friend.

[@MrExprise]

How do you get your health to display like that? And how do I see the health of enemies? Thanks for all your videos!

[@TheBeard777]

It comes from a mod called, "Simple Health Bar DST"